2017 Dodge Challenger GT AWD vs Ford Mustang vs Chevy Camaro Mashup Misadventure Review

( www.TFLcar.com ) 2017 Dodge Challenger GT AWD vs. Mustang vs. Camaro Snowy Battle. The Challenger GT is the only pony car that has available AWD, but is it a true muscle car with all-wheel-drive?
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[@randomthoughts1001]

Glad everyone is ok. I really like the AWD Challenger. The beautiful contrast of the Yellow Jacket against the snow is just awesome . I pray to the HP Gods for a Hemi in this beautiful machine. I still feel the GT Pentestar would be fun during the wait.

[@tonytouchzz]

If your goal is not to do racing its fine. I got a V8 and exept for the sound I dont see MUCH of a difference. They bearly have the same time on a 0-60

[@ernestochang1744]

if you get a Ripp supercharger and just the supercharger alone this engine can make 400 HP + at the wheels not at the crank, at the crank must be like 478 HP

[@yellowstang472]

I think dodge is right that they will sell more v6 awd challengers however I think they are wrong about an awd v8 or hellcat not selling well. After a car has so much HP awd is almost a must!

[@tonytouchzz]

@RS1 in usa maybe but in canada rwd in winter is shit...its POSSIBLE but have a plow in your trunk because you will get stuckat LEAST 8 times in the winter

[@user-nc5pe3dw2i]

It did come in the 2013 model for the charger v8

[@niksikk15]

waiting on an AWD Camaro with v8 then I would consider buying something like that

[@LamontBoucherville]

Keep waiting

[@ryanroy7673]

You still waiting?

[@krystians877]

Dodge Challenger is last muscle car No pony car

[@dannysdailys]

Yeah, that surprised me too. Dodges have never had a pony car. It sits on the Charger/ 300 platform.

[@MDKN22]

Damn it Ford! Answer to Dodge on this! Put an AWD system in the Mustang!

[@dannysdailys]

I believe the Mustang E has one electric motor per wheel. That would be AWD.

[@vyws]

@@dannysdailys But the Mach E isn’t a mustang. I love electric cars, but you can’t call an electric suv a Mustang, and people who want one who live in places that get a lot of snow won’t consider the Mach E as an alternative.

[@dingakasteve]

Would have been interesting to run a base lap with a WRX to compare as well.

[@dillonhughesrt]

dingakasteve wrx would destroy it due to it being about 2000 pounds lighter, even with about 50 less horses. the sti would further embarrass the challenger with the same power but keeping the weight still about 2000 pounds lighter

[@evilpeach2]

They are two different cars geared to two different markets. Basically the only thing they have in common is that they are both AWD but both of the systems are probably different.

[@dingakasteve]

evilpeach2 right, which is why it would be interesting, someone looking for a fun sporty car they could drive in the winter.

[@Elfinbrownie]

the weight difference is actually about half of that. Don't just throw around numbers that you don't know

[@Warhorse500]

I'm a Mopar fan, and even I can tell you how that would end up....the Subie would win. Much lighter, only 5 less horsepower, and the Subie was really made for snow. I loves me some Challenger, but this just looks kinda disappointing....My 2013 Taurus SHO has 60 more hp, and the FWD bias under normal conditions lends itself much more easily to shifting to AWD when the conditions require. I can't imagine how Dodge has their setup wired....it's gotta be heavy and clumsy. The SHO, meanwhile, has one simple power take-off in the trans/diff that sends power to the rear wheels the minute the fronts start slipping. I'd happily have a Hellcat though....as a fair-weather, dry road car only.

[@lilJames881]

Love how this guy is out of breathe from driving a car

[@TheHoth1]

Glad Andre is ok. We appreciate your work. Stay safe guys:)

[@twistingterrain7748]

"The Maine question..." Solid pun! Anyway I grew up just minutes from that location! Glad you got to visit Maine, you'll have to come back in the Summer.

[@nomoremr.niceguy4778]

Dodge Charger Hemi 5.7 police package still has this same AWD available. So why not bring that back?

[@bestmillimeter1858]

It's just a 10 year old Mercedes E-Class coupe with AWD.

[@weedmastersr]

It's the 90s Mercedes platform. Great car though. Awesome car!

[@TheIrishPhantom]

Just wait for Dodge to barrow the legendary Alfa Giulia platform."Giorgio" Shaves weight and will make it handle like a dream.

[@dannyloughman]

Mel Laknanurak up until a year ago, the Camaro was still using the zeta body platform and 3 years ago the mustang had just been introduced to an IRS

[@martyvictor363]

With 10 years of chassis tweaks and far more cross bracing... the Germans were amazed with what dodge did with the brakes and control. I love mine and it sees 100 MPH plus almost daily.. Nice living off an interstate...

[@wantsanewvehicle]

I understand why this video exist and such, but this is just silly. Anybody who has a rwd car, and snow, and isn't an idiot will put snow tires on it. I'd much rather have a rwd challenger with good snow tires, than an awd challenger with all seasons, all day any day.

[@quentin3330]

wantsanewvehicle Agreed. However i plow snow with all season but they are big...and good. But snow tires are awesome. I use snow tires on my 2wd pickup and use it for my employees to drive around and shovel sidewalks. Obviously can't plow with my 2wd truck so i use it for salting sidewalks. Put a snow blower, some shovels and bags of salt in the back and it goes through everything. Even with no weight in the back it goes through snow no problem. Totally agree with you on this video. Good video but silly.

[@thunderfox53]

What about an awd challenger with snow tires?

[@michaelg6339]

Considering I live in the country I’ll take the awd

[@chanseormon]

thunderfox53 most definitely AWD with studded snow tires

[@demariojason]

The Challenger is the only car that nailed it so far as the resemblance of its predecessor...

[@FreeeeBeer]

I agree with that. The Challenger GT is the winner.

[@sudmuck]

That's because the other two are progressing to the future...

[@carlmcdonald2735]

what a bunch of bull shit I live in Canada and daily drive my CTS-V with no problems in snow deeper then that

[@pops55650]

I know, you should talk to those Canadisns who build the Challenger. 😅

[@FreeeeBeer]

Carl McDonald....and I drive my 4 wheel drive truck in deeper snow than your CTS-V with no problems. What is your point?

[@CloroxGodThe1st]

FreeeeBeer his point is he does it with more power also RWD not a 4wd with less power.

[@GIGABACHI]

FreeeeBeer Mine's BIGGGER than yours ! 😕😐😳😂

[@etaesu83]

Are most RWD sports car owners driving in winter with all season tires? The demo set up by Dodge seems strange to me. All three cars would have the same winter tires in their sizes imho of an ideal demo.

[@GIGABACHI]

Tee Bee It was made/handled/conditioned/manipulated/orchestrated in a way that made the Challenger look like the be all end all of the "pony cars" under specific conditions(snow,winter storm, blah blah blah).😏

[@ElshamyWalid]

I gave a thumbs up for Andre still making it out of that tree crash

[@TFLcar]

+Omar Thanks.

[@baldheadracing]

Thanks for the review. This car was a long shot for me to buy this year anyway, but it just left my shopping list. The whole point of these cars performance-wise is acceleration, and 305hp sounds like a lot, but I didn't see it in the review - seemed no faster than my current AWD (Passat w/275hp) and the exhaust note certainly sounded a lot worse than my car's W8 with its flat-plane crankshaft.

[@KINGKJ2REAL]

Waiting for someone to engine swap a hellcat engine into the GT

[@jeromebedard3975]

Bruh it’s like bringing a knife to a gun fight

[@pistolpete6321]

Sorry guys, just don't see the point of this comparison, its chalk and cheese.

[@moretacos1]

So did Andre have to buy the GT after it was damaged while he was driving it?

[@TFLcar]

The FCA PR manager was very gracious. He was more concerned with Andre's safety than the damage to the car. Thank you Rick!

[@JorgeGonzalez-zn3mz]

You’re driving the camaro on tour mode with traction control off? Really? How do you expect to not get stuck? Why not turn traction control on and put it on snow and ice mode?🤦🏽‍♂️

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

I've never been a big fan of the Challenger (I'd consider myself more of a Mustang guy), but with the AWD option and that shade of Jeep TJ yellow, I gotta say, it's pretty appealing.

[@johnjurewicz9317]

poor Andre is going to go driving with a crash helmet and scuba gear from now on. I'm glad everybody is okay !

[@jsua90]

Negative I would definitely buy an AWD Hemi challenger

[@bennettperry4936]

you do not need awd you need snow tires. My old rwd Olds 98 with snows never got stuck and was the best car I ever driven in winter. I drive a snow plow in the winter so i have to drive to my plow before the roads are bladed. just get snow tires I live in Alberta Canada so i know snow and ice.

[@Tonyx.yt.]

no winter tires no party

[@fd3srules]

A 305hp/268lb-ft tq AWD Grand Tourer. I think it's a great idea, the Pentastar v6's react well(for a newer engine) to basic bolt ons and a tune for those who want more power than stock, but still want decent fuel mileage and need the extra grip. It will never be an R/T or SRT, but I think it's a great alternative to the people who are on the fence between a an optioned out SXT or a base R/T.

[@fkflintstone]

Hope you guys can come back to Maine when the weather is more cooperative.

[@zaffirk7726]

Here in Canada the challenger gt are quite expensive. The dealers really bump up the price.

[@cargogh]

When Andre is saying, "This is a lot of fun. Thank you...", the lady has a look of "I just want to go home." 9:25 lol

[@s.centralkeystone558]

Great review Andre! Glad everyone is alright! Pretty cool to see a bright yellow Challenger tearing through snow.

[@spoly0113]

what about a convertible challenger? probably too heavy.

[@glenn4110]

This is the HONEST review I expected from you guys. Good job.

[@chanseormon]

Four Bridgestone Blizzak tires with studs for the two rear wheel drive Mustang and Camaro

[@mrburgermaster]

Starts at 40,000 CAD here up north. I know it's AWD but still. A GT mustang is about the same price, however, so it depends what a buyer would value more.

[@petrbenda3406]

Andre must have a special sense for shenanigans. First he drowned Hummer and now this :-) Keep up the good work and don't get hurt in the process!

[@LCBChef18]

The brand manager for Dodge is wearing a fanny pack.... that in itself is why the AWD only comes in a v6 lol.

[@wantsanewvehicle]

haha I saw that too, but then I thought maybe it was a hoodie tied around his waist. I just looked again, yeah definitely a dodge fanny pack rofl. He does also seem like the kind of person who would wear one.

[@Jam_66]

Chef lmao

[@FreeeeBeer]

But yet the Dodge outperforms the Camaro and the Mustang. It looks like GM and Ford are the fannies.

[@Jam_66]

FreeeeBeer not the v6

[@ABlackPatriot]

I'm a Dodge guy, and this comment is hilarious lol

[@adamtrombino106]

When I bought my Challenger R/T 6 speed new in 09, the first thing I thought was, 'Man, this car NEEDS AWD!' It's a frigg'n handful even in the rain! Of course the newer models have redesigned suspension and better brakes, but still, I don't understand why the AWD Hemi cars didn't catch on. Maybe it's because of that gutless 5 speed AOD it was coupled to.. Imagine how fun this car would be, how usable it would be yr round, with a 6 speed manual, and AWD and 1 of the Hemi's? As food for thought, my 09 beats those V6 AWD mileage figures, btw... not by a lot, but it still does.

[@Scotty_in_Ohio]

I'd really like to see all three with the same size wheels/tires and of the same brand model of tire - of course the AWD would still be better but would certainly be interesting to see if the other RWD two would be just a useless or just not as good as the Challenger.

[@tamiyadriverGp]

Nice test! But all-season tires are bad in summer and especially in winter! I don't understand why don't people use winter tires in US more :)

[@TENNSUMITSUMA]

The question is can you throw out the v6, throw in a v8, and still keep the awd system?

[@paulrollins604]

First off none of these things are Sports cars. Two are pony cars the other a Muscle car.

[@TFLcar]

+Paul Rollins no, the new Mustang and Camaro have evolved into modern sports cars

[@Frosty_coyote]

Paul Rollins they're all pony cars dude lol they all used to be muscle cars.

[@pedrobautista1628]

sleepybird09 and they have v8s

[@macthomas5340]

+Paul Rollins Straight out of the Oxford dictionary: Sports Car - a low-built car designed for performance at high speeds.

[@hausmeisterengineering5952]

who cares. they are all fat american cars with v8's and shitty handling when compared to other cars their size.

[@Montblanc1986]

the awd system is hardly awd, its more about contact patch weight and tread depth at this point.

[@whenibecamethesun..8759]

Kazak Thranduil ya needs winter tirea0

[@kaiminchan3835]

"when you don't need all wheel drive capability, it stays as a rear wheel drive car, so you get all the fun, and the driving dynamics of a rear wheel drive car, and the FUEL EFFICIENCY ASSOCIATED" - says the woman about a car that weighs 200lbs more than its RWD model.

[@JustinKelly]

This is a great promotional video for the new Challenger but I see no point in comparing an AWD car vs Rear wheel drive sports car. I think the better point is that the Mustang and Camaro did get going and were driveable in that snow. Not sure anyone would have died either... good video though.

[@MaddieMadness]

I'd rather buy the jeep grand Cherokee hellcat. it would walk away from the challenger

[@robmcnew9074]

Constitutional Corner maybe so , but wouldn't that cost a whole bunch more with a major loss of fuel economy.

[@851995STARGATE]

Idiotic comparison well done

[@gsjourney3054]

Rob Mcnew the v6 awd doesn’t even get good gas tbh my friend has one and he pays 65 a fill and gets about 15mpg

[@waffle168]

Glad to hear Andre is fine. Stay safe!

[@novaman3509]

The Hellcat doesn't need AWD, it needs slightly wider, stickier tires. Also, a few years ago, AWD was an option on the Charger R/T -- yes, with the 5.7 HEMI. I never understood why they stopped selling that package.

[@ilcoolj12]

NovaMan 350 Yes thats called a Demon lol

[@ferretkiller9454]

NovaMan 350 was about to say 2014 had the v8 awd option and no one lost their mind over it then... just have to wait a few years and people think it's the first time ever again I guess.

[@ilcoolj12]

ferretkiller9454 Yeah, right? lol...

[@mikebunero6147]

welcome to maine

[@bmwmsport11]

Nobody wants a V6 muscle car in the first place. Takes the fun out of a muscle car in the snow.

[@phantomsession9869]

Meh if I want an awd v6 car I'd rather get the SHO

[@JimmyTheMachine]

PH03NIX 7827 the dodge demon will be AWD I guarantee it. they are trolling us with videos like this ahead of its launch.

[@elhehe8476]

Jim Marchant how is the Demon going to be AWD when they are reducing the weight by 200 pounds. Adding AWD will make the weight suffer. Ever thought of that ?

[@jeffk464]

audi S4

[@allidoiswinx2]

Focus RS

[@FreeeeBeer]

The Challenger outperforms the cars that are directly in its class and that is the Mustang and Camaro. If I wanted a crap box then I would by the SHO,Audi or Focus.

[@wag375]

Dang, I'm glad André is ok. He's my favorite!

[@mehdielkhatib1088]

it has no power no point of the car or its Emblem "gt" waiting on the demon

[@mikewalsh7080]

Mehdi Elkhatib Its actually got a lot of power for a 6 cylinder you should test drive one at a dealer for shoots & giggles, youd be surprised. And GT doesn't necessarily mean "fast" just depends on what their definition of GT is, some manufacturers have different meanings unfortunately just to keep us confused I imagine lol

[@Father_Nature88]

Mehdi Elkhatib there are two type of GT cars. You have grand touring and also grand turismo. In this case it mean grand touring.. also it's has plenty of power from the V6 the problem is the weight of the car. it's just too damn heavy.. and with that AWD system it adds more weight as well..

[@JimmyTheMachine]

Mehdi Elkhatib there will be an AWD v8 version within a few months. Ever heard of the Demon??? Dodge is trolling us with videos like this ahead of the it's launch.

[@whenibecamethesun..8759]

Jim Marchant demon is RWD

[@Father_Nature88]

Jim Marchant it's 100% confirmed that the demon will be RWD. The demon is going to be about 200 pounds lighter more HP and a wider body so the wider tires wont look goofy. Still going to be a handful to handle though. Despite it losing around 200 pounds it's still going to be a heavy car.. a AWD system that will be able to handle that kind of power would be super heavy...

[@jedironin380]

Andre - Thanks for the video. Glad you're okay after the "Oh Snap" (literally) incident! It would have been fun to see a few lap times, though. :)

[@jacobmoses3712]

It's good that people get to have better choice in all wheel drive cars. It's not just Subaru any more

[@ChristianSanchez-xj4el]

how many "snow" crowds did you run over with the mustang

[@superdan5617]

A better choice might be to get a Jeep Grand Cherokee with a Hemi. I'm glad to hear everyone is ok after that accident.

[@moose3426]

Good to see you guys in Maine! More Moose up here than Colorado!

[@alexisjordanschreiner1471]

Glad everyone was okay! Love your reviews guys!!

[@tucker83]

"hit the strongest part of the frame" by frame....u mean roof? lol

[@TFLcar]

+Adam Tucker window frame

[@tucker83]

The Fast Lane Car oooooooh gotchya

[@jeffburtonnottheracecardriver]

The Fast Lane Car Do you have a filter for intelligent comments and people who "get it" versus some of the silliness and crap commented? The things you put up with (including videos for the sake of keeping sponsors) is amazing.

[@TFLcar]

What sponsors do you mean? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nne6lmaHaK-UmpI

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

Well, Jeff, seeing that your comment appeared, I'd say it was bloody obvious that TFL don't have an "Intelligence Filter".

[@motorhead_jt21]

I wish it would snow more where I am. I love driving in the snow

[@ishmamrhine]

why is this reuploaded

[@horus909]

Nice to see your channel grow, branching out into commercials!

[@ArtofHunter]

The comparison is the GT Challenger AWD is a lot more expensive than the normal RWD v6 competition and competes with the competitions v8 RWD lineup.

[@jerkyturkey007]

I'm guessing the reason the challenger didn't have a flake of snow on it is that sunshine yellow was just too hot, lol.

[@crazy55rider7]

This v6 model is simply an easy way for Dodge to test the market, reliability of there AWD chassis system and see how many of there customers will want a GT-R killer.

[@lazydadsgarage]

It's not the awd that matters in determining if it's a muscle car. It's the lack of a V8

[@ivanlowjones]

I'm curious Roman. There's no snow in Colorado nor similarly equipped vehicles to conduct this test in your own backyard? Portland Maine seems a long way to go to find the same cars and climate conditions you have in the Rockies.

[@TFLcar]

+J High This was a Dodge event that we were invited to along with many other journalists.

[@ivanlowjones]

The Fast Lane Car I figured as much but it seems like a lot of hassle to fly across country to do the exact same thing you could've done in Denver.

[@1FastGXP]

J High Dodge paid for the trip, provided the cars, and the course all to make their product appear superior. Many journalists were invited and if they stated anything negative they would not be invited again. That's why Andre couldn't really say what he thought of its acceleration, that's fine his face said it all. 😄

[@ivanlowjones]

1Fast GXP AWD gives people in snow belt climates, the perfect reason to justify the purchase of the Challenger to their significant other. This car should sell very well up north and out west in the U.S. A sporty performance car that doesn't have to be parked in your garage from November to April is a winner for FCA. People buy the V8 Hemi models to smoke the tires at stop lights. This V6 is for practical folks who want a cool sports car to drive to work during the week and drive it on road trips on the weekends.

[@omarpimentel5610]

1. Dodge 2. Chevrolet 3. Ford

[@RustyPranger]

I'd like to learn more about the differences between this Dodge AWD system vs. a dedicated awd sportscar like the Nissan GTR. My dream video in the future will be Tesla vs. Challenger GT vs. Cayenne (maybe GTR)... in the snow, on the road and on the track.

[@DEEPCYCLEGARAGE]

Get Ripp supercharger and get around 414hp.

[@chicanoman2999]

I have a 300c HEMI AWD , love it but a challenger AWD would be a great 3rd car for daily driver

[@brojynks]

no. the reason is because the awd system will not fit with a v8 option. there is no space arlund the engine compartment for awd.

[@rogermensah-cooley589]

I think an AWD Hellcat or V8 challenger should still be offered because you never know if that becomes more popular with the costumers than the V6 challenger.

[@djctrlentertainment]

I feel like am watching a student journalist being reviewed by his professor through editing this video.

[@d4vv980]

that looks really fun actually

[@robertburgard8588]

I am guessing that the all wheel drive option is not available on the v8 models because of warranty and durability issues. Same reason that dodge refuses to put a cummins in a Powerwagon.

[@robmcnew9074]

Although it may not be a fair comparison it proves the point of dodge making an ad sports car that you can drive all year around through snow etc . Great videos , I watch almost all your videos .

[@FridgeToThe]

Why would they send three cars without snow tires to a snowy place? I was in Germany a few months ago and rented a 118i 5 door hatchback that is RWD and it had snow tires on it and handled well in the snow/wet.

[@PatrickMcNelis]

I'd like to see a comparo with all three cars wearing winter rubber.

[@jakegarandm1]

im from portland! wish i could have stumbeled across this

[@viper10ram]

Its nice for the FCA Rep to say that the v6 is the biggest seller, but if FCA is concern about AWD not selling, then do as I had to do. I built my Challenger SRT on line and waited 8 weeks for it. Sell to only the people that want to buy a SRT, Hellcat or Demon in an AWD. FCA problem is transferring the power through the converter for anything more then a v6. I have driven this car and it does ok on dry mountain roads. If you take a Camaro, Mustang and Challenger GT and they are all v6, the Challenger out handles all of them. Its not just a snow car. Where I live, the Troopers have Chargers V8 AWD and they are good, about 80hp more. The Grand Jeep Cherokee SRT AWD has many problems with its converter, imagine a Hellcat or Demon.

[@jonhettrick7969]

you can drive in the snow with that cool, you needed a Jeep. something that was meant to be driven in the snow. it is still cool that the car has all-wheel drive and can attempt to drive in the snow. :)

[@adamwright9741]

I say a Kia Stinger versus Challenger GT all wheel drive on both of course and that they are DIRECT competitors

[@Hp31242]

seems like poor Andre is always struck with unfortunate luck... 4runner vs hill, hummer vs puddle, xterra vs puddle 2.0, and Challenger vs tree. I just wish you caught this one on video. Great show guys, you make some fine real tv.

[@robertsn6584]

shitbox. the unibody structure is almost 20 years old in that car. stop being cheap and redesign the damn thing already . a two wheel drive version of this car with a hemi , weighs as much as a 3 row crossover with AWD. ridiculous.

[@LivingOnCash]

I'd like to see you guys do your own test of an AWD vehicle with all terrain tires versus a RWD with snow tires.

[@unjaded2]

I have a 2014 300C JVL AWD 5.7 Hemi and I love it here in WI . V8 power and torque with AWD !

[@gsxellence]

Lost on Chrysler to never offer a V8 with the AWD

[@dannysdailys]

I love your brand manager, what, did he graduate last week? He's so full of crap his eyes have to be brown.

[@GIJOERO]

great analogy, it needs all-wheel drive like peanut butter needs jelly, because peanut butter still good, it's just really good with jelly. But it does make sense to save money to hit the largest market. It is still a very technologically-advanced and a great package that they're putting it on. Id buy one.

[@msmcdonell]

This video would have been truly interesting if (at a minimum) the Ford and Chevy had snow tires.

[@eddy7457]

I live in Illinois looking for an awd or 4x4 . I was really interested in awd muscle car but I want the v8. Honestly My other options are jeeps or the new bronco

[@Began2011]

Which one of the other cars kept up a little bit better with the challenger in the snow?

[@wesleyronne4685]

you can get a scat pack for the same price

[@ECDT1089-EtheLamborghini]

Hard to root for one when you're a fan of all three

[@kevinvojta692]

A perfect car for my wife. Her old 2006 Mustang V-6 ( With winter Bilizzaks). Could not get up our drive way with only 4 inches of snow on it. Her 2017 GT Awd with all season tires. Had problems with over 14" inches of Mn snow. Great fun at stop lights taken off fast. On snow and ice. And the looks on 4x4 SUVs and pick truck owners faces. You can see they are thinking, how the hell. Is that Challenger taken off so fast on ice.

[@djstender1957]

Now if you had snow tires on the mustang and if it was a premium so you could put it into snow/wet mode it would have done just fine

[@OldAndGettingOlder]

I like Dodge's effort here. I hope it's a success.