You’ll Be Shocked By How Much Gas These Behemoths Guzzle - V10 Ford Excursion vs 8.1 GMC Yukon!

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[@scrambler69-xk3kv]

When I was a kid, my dad owned a square body suburban with a 454 in it. His friends at the time were buying diesels, and they all told him he was nuts for buying a big gas v8 to pull our Air Stream. But I remember my dad passing those diesels when we got into the mountains, dad had the last laugh.

[@centraltexasfoxbodies]

A diesel is built for working, not driving fast, diesel fuel has more stored energy than gasoline which is why they run leaner and get the same as the smaller gas counterparts

[@vitopannucci2001]

Talked with someone a while back who had the 6.2L F150 (non raptor, uncommon since it was a $5000 option), asked him what kind of mileage it gets, and he said 14. 14 city, 14 highway, 14 towing, 14 while parked in the garage...

[@MrSGL21]

my parents back in the 80s and 90s towed their lawn trailer with big block v-8 cars. the smallest of which was a 400 Chrysler the largest a 460 ford . those cars got 7 mpg. 7mpg towing. 7mpg in the city. 7 on the highway.

[@philipstanley5611]

Rookie numbers. I live in the mountains so my truck uses more fuel to run... I get 4 in town, 4 on the highway, 4 towing, and 4 parked in the garage

[@alexkalish8288]

I have the 6.2 liter in my 2012 F-250. It can get 16 on the highway at a steady 60-70 more like 10 to 12 in stop and go traffic. I live in the mountains and it pulls old heavy 50's cars on trailers with easy.

[@RayMainBagpiper]

HA !!!!

[@Joel-ew1zm]

My dad has had a v10 excursion for many years. We road tripped it back and forth between Ohio and Georgia many times over the years including the high gas price era around the great recession. In fact, I remember coming back down to Georgia with the radio on around probably summer 2007 or 2008 and the talk show hosts talking about the impending economic doom coming. Interspersed with triple digit fuel stops, good times.

[@bbsal4031]

Impending economic doom! Ide say we're pretty on track right now.

[@jamesmedina2062]

Money is more important than God in 'Murica!

[@rodimusprime3621]

​@@jamesmedina2062well, money is real so yeah, definitely more important

[@eithanlong1355]

Cubic inches tho

[@catfishbilly7425]

My 8.1L Yukon averages 8.3 mpg towing a 6k lb trailer daily. Reliability is awesome though, it just keeps on keeping on, day in and day out.

[@bldontmatter5319]

@@curtisducati yeah, my rabbit 80s diesel gets 90 mpg at 55. But we better pray no one hits us or we'll die

[@AnontheGOAT]

That’s laughable especially for such a light trailer.

[@americanrambler4972]

@@curtisducati ok, let’s do apples to apples here. What does that little Peugeot do when you go 70 mph? (Will it do 70 mph? For 100 miles?)

[@americanrambler4972]

@@bldontmatter5319 I drove a rabbit diesel pickup years ago. It would get 40+ mph on the highway, but it struggled to even reach 65 mph let along maintain that speed. 70 mph was basically not doable, and it killed every mosquito within range of its opaque exhaust plume. I never saw a diesel Rabbit that after about 2 years old, was not a smoky stinker. They were all horrible little road blockers. I also drove a Isuzu diesel P’up and it was so slow, any speed over about 55 was a fantasy dream. But it did sip very little diesel. Those were two trucks I never ever aspired to own or drive.

[@curtisducati]

@@bldontmatter5319 Yes they are small , called the GTi in the UK , they are great cars and worth a lot of money now ! I bet your friends wish they had one instead of a car doing 15 mpg , gonna hit the US hard with fuel prices

[@paulalvaro6313]

Cheaper to maintain and more reliable than a modern diesel

[@gilvietor1918]

Truer words cannot be spoken.

[@bfields1448]

Peterbilt truck only gets 8-10 pulling 80,000lb 150 gallon x2

[@deejayimm]

But humans are responsible for climate change....... Think about the children!!!

[@weegeemike]

Agreed! Diesels aren't really practical unless you're hauling or towing most of the time...gassers have lower maintenance costs and will do all the work a diesel can especially if you just tow or haul on occasion.

[@alexfrankl7861]

I dont agree, Isuzu's 4j is rock solid and super economical .

[@honkhonkler7732]

Those mileage numbers are actually pretty good. An '02 Silverado 2500HD with the 6.0 gets about 14-15 MPG and an OBS Suburban with a Vortec 350 gets that also. Maintenance on modern diesel emissions systems is so horrific that big block gassers are making a comeback.

[@realanimal3602]

I'm a Suburban......fan I guess you would call me. I have a 98 1500 4x4 with a 5.7 a 99 2500 4x4 with a 7.4 a 03 Yukon Denali XL with 6.0 AWD. A few things I have noticed. First the T400s, or OBS, have a better ride and seats are better as well. Of the 2 T400s the 2500 has the better ride. The rear barn doors are the way to go. Both T400s have the barn doors but the Yukon, T800, has a hatch.

[@suburbanfreak87]

Agreed. I try to save my truck for longer road travels on the road without catching a light. I do get 14.3 to 16 combined. 12/14-16/16-18 for fuel economy city/combined/hwy in my 97 but I do have mods that help with getting that mpg. It is a 2wd, but built it out making my own 1500hd lol. Bigger tires, tool box, bigger shocks, heavy duty suspension components etc... I like the cloth seat and its comfortable for me. Not a huge fan of leather.

[@originallynot]

It's a huge transformation to make, automakers will be resented for our leading role, without those turbocharged inline-4s and without electric vehicles, America will not survive

[@scottleggejr]

@@originallynot When you make the drive on the regular from Phoenix, AZ to Payson, AZ - which is a jumpoff point to northern NM, The Navajo nation, and a bunch of other places, you see the highway littered with these powerplants you mention. The reason I mention that stretch are the extended 6%+ grades and swinging temps through the canyons. It's never the older stuff on the side of the road. If I have a $1200/mo car payment AND a $300+ towing bill, I am 100% going to be super pissed off if I am getting passed on the side of the road stranded by a 1994 chevy 1500 with a 5.7 liter TBI pig... Every one of those turbo 4 cyl trucks towing a trailer is getting passed by 1990s trucks with a 460 or 454 in the mountains because there's not enough heat conductive metal surface area to get the heat away from the combustion chamber.

[@pootispiker2866]

​@@originallynotBut without a big loud truck that I do absolutely no truck things with, my neighbors won't think I'm manly!

[@jdgvee9313]

2000 Ex 6.8 v-10 4.30 gears, 12+mpg at 65 mph, 11 mpg between 70-80, 12 mpg 80-90. Love it!

[@02Franxx]

My 2000 ex with the 7.3 and 33's and stock gear ratio and 400lb front bumper and 3" lift gets over 18mpg highway at 65mph on the 60hp street tune (I have the hydra chip)

[@lincolnls0416]

Weird mine gets 17 mph at 65 V10 as well. Odd. Lincoln LS V8 gets 24 mph at 65. Corse it has K&N intake with throttle Air Cleaner.

[@sportsinvestor101]

Basically the ford getting better mpg at higher speed due to that heavy weight

[@bumponlog]

20 mpg 150. Gotta strap a turbine batman style to the rear though.

[@brad3139]

For those land-yachts, I'd say those numbers are pretty dang good!

[@mikesweet5848]

Problem with these vehicles is they consume an insane amount of fuel sitting idle. So drive throughs, around town, or traffic jams on the interstate will all make the theoretical max mpg impossible to ever sustain. Source: Yukon XL 6.0L owner 10mpg city, 16 or so highway

[@ebrente]

That’s highway. The moment you hit stop and go it’s over.

[@scottleggejr]

@@mikesweet5848 Life goal: Stay away from cities for the cost of fuel and sanity.

[@robinghosh2109]

My family had a 2004 GMC Yukon XL 2WD w/ the 8.1L. Was an amazing vehicle that took us all over the western US hauling boats and jet skis up and down the Colorado River. This video really made me smile and brought back memories. Thanks for making it. 👍🏽

[@KyleJewell]

I just purchased a 2004 GMC Yukon XL SLT 5.3L. I love it. And I am a Ford guy. And it may not be the 8.1L so hard to compare but I am hitting upwards of 20mpg. Very happy with these units.

[@simjet22]

Honestly who cares how much gas they burn. If you’re in the market for for an extra large SUV with great capabilities, it’s not going to be fuel efficient plain and simple. I would take their reliability and simplicity than a modern truck or EV.

[@CJColvin]

Amen to that brother

[@Bubbles99718]

Well, we care. It's more of an understanding that the job dictates mpg. Any increase is mpg is huge and appreciated

[@CJColvin]

@@Bubbles99718 Which job are you talking about

[@Bubbles99718]

@@CJColvin ? The job that u ask the vehicle to do. Heavy tow, light tow, no tow, people mover, whatever

[@Harrybowles1969]

Hauling the wife around needs a big block

[@SCGI-mr3hv]

I used to own a 2011 Chevy traverse. I on average got 15 mpg out of a V6. Crazy to think they got close to the same mpg with much bigger engines and vehicles.

[@TheSavage3.6]

there’s something wrong w ur traverse

[@mitchcash760]

@@TheSavage3.6 well of course it's an American vehicle they're all junk. Buy a Honda or Toyota or don't complain when you get stuck on the side of the road.

[@TheSavage3.6]

@@mitchcash760 Honda is mediocre, Toyota is the same. Some modern american cars are very good, just nothing out of GM.

[@Vincent-ke5zn]

That's terrible mpg for a traverse

[@V8_screw_electric_cars]

Big engine has lower rpms it's good for mpg

[@RR-xg1cm]

I had an early 80s K30 with 4:56 axles. Got 5 Mpg highway and 8 city. 4 bbl 454 would really roar at 55 mph. In low range it was amazing.

[@32degreesretarded62]

I grew up in that era of trucks and uou aint kidding about those motors SCREAMING at freeway speeds. Had a 78 K20, 4.10's and an SBC 400, she was right around 3k rpm at 60mph.

[@32degreesretarded62]

@62guitarguy I think o.d. came in around 86/87 or so for the 1/2 tons. Otherwise they had TH350&TH400 3 speed automatics. Unless ya got an SM465 manual. I consider that to be a 3 speed as 1st gear is something like a 6.5:1 or so.

[@RR-xg1cm]

@62guitarguy absolutely not. Th400 3 speed automatic.

[@Kernfederate]

Ahhh the sound of that 6.8 gave me so many flashbacks of road trips with my family as a kid. I’m a diesel fan now, but the v10 is still one of my favorites. Super reliable engine, despite the bad reputation.

[@deepharrow8520]

My dad had the 5.4 in an expo from fort lauderdale to Pittsburgh every summer know what you meen

[@bunnyman6321]

Why you like diesel?

[@TheChrisgralnic]

I like their bad reputation keeps them affordable for the smart

[@Kernfederate]

@@TheChrisgralnic so true!

[@Kernfederate]

@@bunnyman6321 I get around 23 mpg with my Dodge. I love gassers, but you just can’t beat the mpg of an older diesel.

[@alexs3187]

They were about $40-50 to fill up when they were brand new.

[@smartfreak7105]

And 40k was a good salary and most fast food items cost $1 🤷‍♂️

[@georgejulien3286]

I love when people that get 5 mpg more than me try to mock me for having a “gas guzzler”. Me with no payments and them with $600 monthly payments, newsflash dude I’m spending less on my vehicle monthly.

[@bbsal4031]

True true 👍

[@zacharychavez3482]

You can buy, even at current gas prices, A LOT of gas with $60k to get you a new diesel pickup...nevermind the interest with payments.

[@romadonezero]

who do you know that has a $600.00 monthly payment? more like $1,200.00 a month for a loaded diesel.

[@georgejulien3286]

@@romadonezero people that have a good trade in

[@romadonezero]

@@georgejulien3286 that doesn't count. You can't wipe away previpus debt and say you got a better deal on a monthly payment. You still paid for it and will continue to pay. Kinda like brandons student college loan "forgiveness". I can't edit to see the look on those students faces when they get a 1099-misc for the $20k that they received. And by the way , taxes on that $20l are due in full on 15 April 2023.

[@aber1711]

I just purchased a 2003 Excursion with 6.8 last weekend. Drove it 688 miles from Phoenix, AZ metro area to Amarillo, TX and I was pleasantly surprised I got 15.5 mpg. That was even with an hr delay in NM going 8 mph. I did baby it a little on the drive but great numbers. This one is really well maintained and only 113k miles.

[@dodgeguyz]

Yes, if you keep your foot out of it and drive it reasonably they get decent mileage for what they are. Now try putting 7 people and all their luggage in a small fuel efficient car, not going to happen! LOL

[@jamesmedina2062]

So was the delay on Interstate 40 perhaps near Gallup?

[@aber1711]

@@jamesmedina2062 yup

[@erebostd]

@@dodgeguyz with the fuel he uses you can fill 3 full efficient cars to drive 16 people and their luggage the same way. And if those 12 people don’t need to to the same route, they can split up. These big trucks things are dinosaurs. Yes, they are cool, obviously very comfortable and good for road-trips. But what all the wasteful lifestyle led to can be seen all around the world. The US is 4% of the world’s population, smaller than the EU (and fewer people), but produces the most plastic waste. Being number one is cool, but not on pollution…

[@aber1711]

I'm only driving my wife and kids. Yes, it's lots of gas but we purchased it to be comfortable on trips, fill the cargo area with groceries and strollers and from what I've read reasonably reliable and inexpensive to fix.

[@stevejones4739]

Even with these high gas prices I’m still liking my low maintenance v10 ex and f250. The misses has a 7.3 ex and my v10 tows just as well.

[@toddsickinger3934]

I have a 2002 GMC Yukon XL 2500 with an 8.1 and have driven many miles. I can confirm 13-14 mpg w/o towing is accurate.

[@peterkoss1312]

373s with bigger tires yes. i have 410s and stock tires 11.5-12 max i can do at 66mph

[@rlhmarines]

@Peter Angles Suburbans never came with a 7.3 V8…

[@jreyman]

1997 K2500 GMC Suburban SLT (pre Yukon days) 7.4L Vortec L29, 4L80E, GM HD 14-bolt with 4.10:1 final drive, 11-12 MPG avg, mixed driving use.

[@jreyman]

@Peter Angles 2000 would be the GM Vortec 8100 at 8.1L (L18), just shy of 496ci. It's predecessor, the Vortec 7400 was 7.4L (L29), but was not in any 2000 Suburban/Yukon.

[@jreyman]

@@rlhmarines Yep, 7.4L, but not in 2000.

[@markvanderlee]

I disagree with you sentiment about big V8s. Ford has their new 7.3 gasser and Chevy punched out their 6.0 to 6.6. These V8s are a good alternative to modern, pain in the rear, diesels with their DEF, failing PDF filters and high pressure fuel pumps.

[@bigred3966]

$6500 for "fuel contamination" that made the high pressure pump fail. all fuel lines,rails injectors replaced and tank flushed. can get complete v10 installed for that or less

[@Jason-xh1qm]

I’m a huge fan of those two engines. Not to mention the bump in payload over the diesel. It’s a win all around in my book.

[@graemejohnson9025]

Transporting one person from point a to point b.. you don't need a huge truck.. Buy a Hyundai i30n.. Same trip, less fuel and way more fun.. Only a idiot would drive this crap...

[@angelgjr1999]

@@bigred3966 You can get a modular ford v8 for like 150 bucks at the junk yard. It costs me less to have a new engine installed than it would cost to change the headlights of some new cars. I’m not even joking.

[@Bubbles99718]

@@Jason-xh1qm payload is a big unknown thing when it comes to towing. And yep, diesels crash it, heavy suckers

[@tnargdonald]

You have to remember.... Diesel engines of years past before Cummins, 99 7.3, and Duramax motors were the actual "Economy" options. They were way more efficient and Diesel was way cheaper than gas and WAY nastier than modern ULSD. They were incredibly loud compared to Gas V8s. They did not make as much power as the Large displacement V8s and in all honesty you didnt need any more power in the old wet noodle frame trucks with no brakes and bad suspension.

[@cwyckisslick9444]

Yeah these new generation frames from 97+ with the "modernized" stone age drivetrain are really the golden era of noncommercial trucks

[@scrambler69-xk3kv]

I know the 1992 F350 i owned had a 460 Automatic with 4.10 axles, and I would love to own it again today. Nothing wimpy about it. Ran an 8 ft. Western and when you raised it there was no droop in that frontend NONE. That plow just raised. Two skids of rock salt in the bed 49 50lb. bags per skid no problem. And a towing SOB.

[@scottleggejr]

Yep the 2nd gen cummins ram was rated for like 450lb/ft tq stock. A big block gasser does that from 2500-6000rpm at sea level. It's very different today with modern tech - diesel is king. I wish they had taken the time to put a blower or turbo on the gas options before they killed the displacement.

[@BlackHawkBallistic]

Even with the LB7 the 8.1 was still the top engine as far as rated towing capacity from GM. It was only like 500lbs difference but still interesting to see in the early years of the modern truck diesels.

[@MDillonEV]

I would love to see you guys run the same test and bring the speed down to 65. It would be informative to see how much we could save on these high gas prices by slowing down a little.

[@BrownBomber92181]

Thats true especially when you consider that these beast only had 4 spd Autos. And the Excursion could be equipped with a 4.30 rear end, so going over 70 in these things will cause the mpgs to plummet

[@A2-RC]

My 2007 Silverado dually with a 8.1L and 6 speed 4.10 gears can get up to 15 mpg going 60-65mph on the highway. More common is 13-14mpg highway. A lower speed and the extra overdrive gear helps a lot.

[@Dankcatvacs]

@@A2-RC those numbers rival some v6s

[@jonathanho699]

@@Dankcatvacs Like 3.3 V6 in my Infiniti QX4, does around 15-16 MPG with a V6...

[@coryament]

my excursion v10 gets 9.5 to 10.5 no matter what i do

[@marlonturner226]

When we buy this trucks we know what kind of fuel mileage it don’t get (yet we get them anyway) it’s the love of the ride. I have a 2001 excursion and I love it to death even at $6.00 per gallon

[@twinscrew9.047]

I have a 1999 Ford f350 V10 supercharged kennebell with 4.88 gears and a gearvendors underoverdrive it pulls like a mother and I get 16 mpg because of the underoverdrive its a nice truck not one scratch on it and 78.000 miles on it

[@HaroldCombs]

For context, my 2021 Tundra 5.7L is sitting at almost exactly 13.5 mpg in latest tank.

[@johnbeck8646]

11.8 on mine, your doing well

[@LuisHernandez-eh8ej]

My lifted 2004 sequoia gets me 10 miles per gallon lol sometimes less 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DavidsonMott]

I've been averaging around 13.5-14.2 in my 00 Yukon Denali with the 5.7L Vortec/4l60e with 3.73 gearing.

[@daveallen8248]

Love my 05 Suburban 8.1L! Its an LT with 4WD and all the bells and whistles. It does everything I want. Rear cargo area can be 8ft x 4ft FLAT. Tows great, rides nice and I can't see anything that can compete with it as a total package. Its a mini van, truck, road trip & tow vehicle all in one - truly a real SUV. MPG is "as expected" my average according the the computer is 10.3 over the last 2,000 miles or so, and that includes 40% city, 60% highway and approximately 40% of that towing a 9,000lb trailer. I paid a lot for mine - it only has 50K miles and is like new. I did compare it to much newer vehicles, and even looked at brand new. Very pleased with the decision!

[@Gnerko123]

I never cease to be amazed at how different US Americans think about cars than we do in Europe. I see people in the comments discussing how they need vehicles this size for their lifestyles, while nearly no one in Europe even remotely considers a car like this. I think it is also a culture thing. For example, owning a boat, atv, dirtbike, whatever isn't that common here, hence no one needs a truck to pull it. We do like caravanning, but ours can be towed by a wagon or crossover suv. We also need a truck driving license if we want to use trucks such as these at anywhere near their towing capacity. Such a license isn't that common among private consumers. We also have more cramped infrastructure, way higher fuel prices, and smaller driving distances of course. I think those also matter. For work, people here mostly use four cylinder turbodiesel vans. People rarely use this same vehicle for private transportation. This seems to work fine. I guess those vans aren't as comfortable as American pickup trucks/body on frame suvs, which is why we don't use them for private transport.

[@dodgeguyz]

I had one for 13 years. Bought it to tow our 35ft TT. Initially with the 3.73’s it got 15 on the highway at 70. City/hwy it got 12. Towing it got 5.5! So I swapped it to 4.30’s. Hwy went to 14.2 city/hwy was at 12.5 and towing increased to 6. You have to also remember that these things can do what 3 fuel efficient cars can do, so for a road trip without towing they are more fuel efficient than a small car. Later on I 5star tuned it and added a air deflector to the top of the X and my towing mileage topped out at 7.2. I miss it, but now we have a V-10 class A MH. BTW, the Ford seats are very comfortable. I’ve spent up to 12 hours on road trips towing my TT and was never fatigued or was my bit sore!

[@michaelhorn4540]

I think these expeditions are the best looking and most capable trucks Ford ever produced and I love the v10 engine. I had two friends who had a v10 and a Ford diesel, and the v10 blew the diesel away pulling trailers up through the mountains where we live

[@BrownBomber92181]

13.5 is quite impressive for that Excursion. The V-10's with 4wd were rated at 8 & 12. And hes right about how smooth that engine is. Its probably one of the reason y they last so long

[@BrownBomber92181]

Remember the Excursion with that setup weighed a whopping 7,200 lbs!

[@bldontmatter5319]

@@BrownBomber92181 jesus 13.5 Is indeed impressive at that weight for a gasser

[@jreyman]

Return trip was the downhill run, and why the Excursion was able to recover some range from it's dismal halfway point MPG numbers. I would take the Suburban/Yukon all day, every day, over the Excursion.

[@BrownBomber92181]

@@jreyman the Yukon/suburban definitely were more comfortable inside & had a nicer ride. But the Excursion was much more roomy, Towed & hauled very well due to the heavy duty 3/4 ton setup. It depends on your needs

[@sorryociffer]

I have an 05 V10 4x4 X…. I average 13-14 over an entire tank regularly. Of course, I drive like an old lady though…

[@randyotis6858]

In some ways these motors are making a come back due to emissions and lack of fuel economy on the 3/4tons. Ford had brought out the 7.3L gas V8 recently in 3/4ton trucks which is even bigger than the 6.8L V10 of old and even more archaic architecture.

[@Ratkill9000]

Not really accurate. Overhead cam and pushrod are roughly the same age for engines.

[@chimrichalds5205]

I drove a brand new Uhaul 26' with the 7.3 gasser and it's a big downgrade over the 6.8 V10 in other box trucks I've driven. It's so detuned and the trans is so slow and confused that it probably doubles 0-60. It's almost Ryder diesel slow even when empty despite having a lot more horsepower (on paper).

[@randyotis6858]

@@chimrichalds5205 I just wish the companies were honest in a way. The 7.3L isn't a bad motor, but the real advantages of it aren't really being passed on to the consumers. It isn't built for fuel economy like Ford says... It isn't really chosen architecture for durability like Ford says. It is CHEAP to produce, and relatively small package to fit into lots of trucks. theoretically it should be cheaper to maintain as well, but with the bad fuel economy you might not be saving anything. This is about profits for Ford, and nothing else. Honestly I am disappointed with the power output for the size. Ford gets nearly 700hp out of a 5.0l V8 in a Raptor, they should be able to offer at least 575lb ft of torque out of 7.3L of displacement...

[@waltchan]

@@randyotis6858 7.3L V8 is a OHV pushrod engine. Previous Excursion engine was a SOHC.

[@shanew.8784]

I have owned three excursions and 2 suburban 2500s with the 8.1 liter, they were all awesome vehicles, and with raising 4 kids they were perfect, the fords definitely lower maintenance cost, my 6.0 diesel excursion on 35s and custom lift got 19 mpg. Loaded with passengers and luggage, it had some upgrades over stock

[@nathanielcutshaw2177]

My buddy has a 2003 chevy suburban 1500 with the 5.3 v8 and it's got 315k miles and we just drove it to the beach and back. It's about a 1100 mile round trip. And his suburban got 22 miles per gallon and has a 31 gallon tank. We only used 3/4 tank going there but around town he only gets about 13.5 miles per gallon

[@venelinkeremedchiev9643]

Very nice video guys! :) To be honest i was expecting 7-8mpg with an engine as crazy as 8.1L it was not that bad even though it's pricey nowadays

[@rbryanhull]

I had two v10 f550 rollback tow trucks. They averaged 6.4mpg, and their cost of operation was far lower than the diesels. Even with a new engine every 250k miles, still cheaper cost per mile. I did have to change the oil every 5k miles to make them last that long, though

[@erikkovacs3097]

How could their cost of operation be less than diesels is the number one cost of any fleet after depreciation is fuel? Diesels get 30%-50% better fuel economy.

[@rbryanhull]

@@erikkovacs3097 the difference in fuel economy cost less than the difference between scheduled maintenance and the cost per gallon of the fuel. Math doesn't lie.

[@erikkovacs3097]

@@rbryanhull Math does not lie. The number 1 cost of ownership for any vehicle is depreciation. Number 2 is fuel. I think #7 is maintenance. Maintenance is actually less than insurance even. There's a reason that the entire over the road transportation sector switched to diesel in the 60's. Fuel economy. Not torque. Not longevity. The cost of running a fleet is dominated by fuel costs. Extra cost of maintenance is a drop in the bucket if it even exists in modern electronically controlled vehicles.

[@rbryanhull]

@@erikkovacs3097 depreciation is far higher when the acquisition cost on the diesel is $10k more than the gas truck. Especially when you run both trucks until the depreciation period has ended. Look, I'm really tired of arguing with you. I tracked every metric of every truck in my fleet. Cost per mile, the gas trucks cost me less. I ran them until they were worth less than $10k each. The diesels had really high ticket maintenance needs, and I could replace a v10 engine for less than the cost of new injectors in the diesel. The only real advantage to the diesel was higher front end weight which made recoveries easier without standing the front end up when winching. But the diesels went through tires faster, also for the same reason. Excess torque and weight burns up tires faster.

[@erikkovacs3097]

@@rbryanhull That's not how depreciation works and depreciation period doesn't end. The spread starts out at 10%-15% of purchase price and with diesels it grows to 50% or more. So your 10 year old gas truck is $10K while your diesel is $20K. I don't know what to tell you. What you're saying goes against not just my experience but everyone else's too. Every large fleet is diesel. 99% of class 8 trucks are diesel. You're sitting here telling me the moon is made of cheese and I just flat out don't believe you and judging what everyone else is buying, no one else does either.

[@TheTechCguy]

I remember seeing loads of these, as a kid, when they were new back then. Takes me back! Lol! Back to when they didn't care how much gas was because it was SO MUCH CHEAPER PER GALLON!

[@jreyman]

2008 wasn't all that much cheaper than currently, which fuel economy was the reason Ford killed the Excursion. It was killing their Federal CAFE rating.

[@Tuppoo94]

These things were seen as gas guzzlers even back in the day when gas was still very cheap.

[@TheTechCguy]

@@Tuppoo94 True. It's just that it felt like less people cared, at the time.

[@rts3613]

It would have been great to add a modern 7.3 Godzilla vehicle to the comparison. That said, the 7.3 PowerStroke Excursion is a very sought after.

[@reaperhunter7297]

It is I've seen 7.3 excursions going for $80k plus

[@bldontmatter5319]

@@reaperhunter7297 that's a lil bit ridiculous, but people will buy it. Actual value should be 25k or so.

[@reaperhunter7297]

@@bldontmatter5319 oh Ik it's ridiculous I'm just saying I've seen some on marketplace for that price and they were sold

[@blazerteam]

Here in Norway the Excursion with a diesel goes for 5k.They where sold new here by Ford,and are quite easy to find.Looks like there could be a market in shipping them back to US?.

[@bbsal4031]

We have a 2001 7.3. bought it from the original owner in 2004. Still driving strong. Although it's under the shade now I drive it once or twice a week to keep the batteries charged. It's always there starts right up every time. Never any issues. 298,000 miles.

[@Ratkill9000]

The only diesel options ever available in the Suburban was the 6.2IDI and the 6.5IDI (with and without turbo I believe for the 6.5).

[@elcaminomant]

That middle row passenger side map light just shining bright back there, lol.

[@billmalec]

My 2000 Excursion has 300,000 miles on it and will get 21-22 mpg on back roads driving easy. Yup. Drove from West Tennessee to Springfield, Mo and got over 21 mpg. Now, it's a 7.3L diesel though.

[@GKMess42]

Awesome video - I'd like to see more videos like this, with "affordable" older cars that most Americans drive and hold onto for decades. Also, as some others have commented, please run a comparison with the modern Ford "Godzilla" 7.3L V8 against the Excursion. It would be interesting to see which is more fuel efficient and what the "break-even" point would be with buying (relatively) new vs. maintaining a used vehicle.

[@michaelthola1709]

I'm actually pretty impressed by those MPG numbers on both. The bigger suvs of today don't get much better than that.

[@backwoodstherapy]

On a 6,000-8,000 lb SUV, things like auto retracting air-dams and turbo 4 s and 6 cylinders can only do so much. You're still moving a 6.5' tall, 18 foot long, 6,000 lb vehicle down the road.

[@CJColvin]

@@backwoodstherapy Exactly mate and not to mention that they'll have more issues as well compared to these old Beasts.

[@shanevanc]

These vehicles show better on the highway in city mileage will struggle to get to 10. Newer vehicles do better in town especially hybrids which can shut the engine down and use electric power

[@gophop]

That's also because new trucks have more than double the number of gears. @@shanevanc

[@sharonbraselton4302]

eco boost high mpg with hybrrde

[@Ram-vt3rm]

Picked up a 2000 F350 6.8 V10 Larait 4x4 and couldn’t be happier! I love the truck and it sure beats the expense of a new HD truck by a long shot.

[@russellbergman6091]

My Excursion V10 gets 11.8 city, 15.1 HWY, and 12.4 towing 9,000lbs consistently. I do keep maintenance up to keep efficiency. 4.11 rear gears

[@the_truck_farmer]

Tommy I think you’re wrong about big gasser HDs being a thing of the past. Ask any Duramax or powerstroke owner about what it costs them to replace injectors, injection pump, head gaskets, or turbo…Also look at the reviews of the 7.3 Godzilla gasser lately. Also notable is that an emissions diesel truck gets similar mpgs towing to a gasser (even an old one like the 2 in your video). If you put an 8 or 10 speed trans behind an 8.1 it would tow very comparably and have similar mpgs to newer gassers.

[@tnargdonald]

Ask 7.3 gasser owners about dropped valve seats. A lot of injector problems are caused by lack of maintenance. ignoring LB7 Head gaskets... dont buy a 6.0 Turbo... Dont buy a 6.4 or early 6.7 Injection pumps.... Dont buy a 6.0 or 6.4 Fuel mileage? HA HA HA A gasser cannot touch the actual fuel mileage of a Modern Diesel. You forget about a huge part of why you buy a Diesel...... Longevity......

[@petergisel4864]

My 2003 F-250 v10 gets the same 8.5mpg as my sister's 2019 Ram 2500 6.4l V8 towing my 8500lb travel trailer on the same route. Not much has changed other than better mileage unloaded and creature comforts. The 6.4 makes 100hp more but basically the same amount of torque ~425 ft/lbs. If I had the 6 speed manual in the Ford, I know i could do better than Ram.

[@Steve-iw8yz]

People are buying big gas engine pickups again All the manufacturers have had certain diesels that were junk none quite to the level of the 6.0 ford And that includes the gm Dinosaurs Even the Cummins being taken out by a bolt that rusts off the grid heater And plenty of injector probs in a d max All d Max's need a lift pump add one now I put 10 injectors first 175k then a lift pump 200 more k w same injectors

[@Silentroller93]

I think these motors are a better fit for these over the underpowered 6.0 or 5.4 gas engines they put in them. These motors don’t have to work as hard as the smaller gas v8’s do so I can see why the mpg isn’t horrible.

[@JohnSmith-lf4be]

A 6 litre will last longer and get much better fuel economy

[@pettischristopher]

Definitely inspiring as I’m looking at V10 Excursions rn lol. There’s one here in Philly at $12K with only 109K miles on it😱. Oh and it’s lifted.

[@antony1103]

Dude those excursion seats are the most comfortable I have ever felt in a vehicle!

[@Zerbey]

I briefly drove a V10 Excursion, back in 2010 or so. The mileage we got was pretty comparable, in other words it cost an absolute fortune to run. On the plus side, it was super comfortable and we had 3 small children at the time, so going on trips we had tons of room for strollers, bicycles, and whatever other stuff they wanted to bring along.

[@tjadamsZ06]

"These big block gas engines, both the Ford and the GMC, are kind of relics of the past which a cool point in history, but unlikely to ever return..." Ummm, didn't Ford *just* come out with a new 7.3L Big Block for the 2020 model year that is still available? Also, it sounds like the Excursion has some pretty serious gear whine. The Sterling 10.25" is known for the pinion nut loosening up, which might be your problem and can eventually cause catastrophic failure. You might want to look into that.

[@MJorgy5]

I'm not sure as of now- but Ford still offered the v10 in a chassis cab econoline van a year or two ago, for commercial sales.

[@garystarkey6255]

I own an 06 yukon xl 5.3L and average 16.8 mpg. Pretty happy so far. Truck only has 111k original miles and I'm the second owner. Love that truck and don't see myself selling it anytime soon

[@stonepa]

In 2004 GM had a dual tank option with 52 gallon capacity. My wife’s daily driver was the K2500 Suburban with the 8.1. 12 mpg every day, even towing. I always made sure to fill up at half a tank as, at $5/gallon back then, I still had to reset the fuel pump at least once.

[@armandocepeda7533]

Loved my 2001 suburban 2500 8.1L . Paid 7500 for it in 2013 with 130k miles. Sold it for 5500 in 2021 with 240k miles. 😂😂. Still ran like a Cadillac when I sold it but was getting 9 mpg.

[@zeasman55]

I was impressed, I thought the Ford through past experience would be a higher fuel rate. Like I said I was impressed with both but mostly how the Excursion was right there just barely under the GMC

[@Stevgar2]

Great video, am really hoping / looking forward to seeing how the suburban handles the ike as he mentioned he wanted to tow with the truck.

[@ChatBot1337]

I had an 8.1 Suburban back in the day. I absolutely miss that thing.

[@saeedbahaj5568]

My Landcruiser 100 (has 1FZ-FE inline-6 4.5 liter) gets around 11.5 US MPG (highway) and 9.5 City driving so these numbers seem pretty good to me considering that 8.1 beast under the hood

[@imkwuzn]

There is no better large SUV built than the GMT 800 platform. The 2500 Suburban with an 8.1 is a bit of a unicorn and super desirable. It will literally run forever if maintained. Did anyone else notice what sounded like gear whine or transmission whine the whole time Tommy was recording in the Excursion? It went away when he lifted off the gas and came back as soon as he accelerated.

[@jreyman]

'97 GMT-400 C/K2500 Suburban, 7.4L L29, and the best seats GM ever made ('95-'98). The GMT-800 has the second best seats. Over 208,000 miles and still runs like new. The only real difference between the 7.4L and the 8.1L is a slightly longer stroke to achieve 8.1L. Both use the same block and heads.

[@kevlar7669]

@@jreyman 8100 was different architecture.

[@LuhRaell]

@@jreyman8.1 has different heads

[@scottleggejr]

LOL it's that ford power steering pump 🤣🤣

[@ajwichman9060]

@@scottleggejr the power steeing pump in my 03 mustang screamed like a banshee every time I accelerated or turned the wheel without moving. And that was after a new belt, pully, and partial power steering flush

[@ianfaris4806]

My dad had one of those yukon XLs with the 6L I always wished he didnt sell it so a couple yrs ago i bought a 06 silverado, has all the nostalgia but it was still very different so it’s totally my own, i love it so much and if i could have the 8.1 i would love one just for the hell of it

[@co-jt6gd]

When my family used to have a 2005 diesel Excursion we got from a friend, we had it converted to a full hybrid so it would get more MPG and we wouldn’t have to stop for gas as often. MPG boosted from 18 miles to the gallon to 30. Emissions were a lot lower, too.

[@greathornedowl3644]

Love the V10 Excursion, always wanted one and they are falling into my price range, but at this time (gas prices) think I will stick with my 2012 CRV (150k) only doing maintenance, and getting 26mpg

[@nativeoutdoors1780]

They are still ridiculous in utah haha no where close to my price range and all high mileage

[@luchaDor]

I know Tommy keeps saying these are relic's of the past, but aren't the Grand Wagoneer and new Supercharged Escalade just a modern version of these?

[@albert15986]

Yeah exactly, the difference is they never stopped making Suburban/GMC Yukon XL that basically kept almost the same size as the old ones but I don't remember if they're still body on frame like the original SUVs

[@callummckay7364]

A few summers ago, a company I was working for had a few V10 Excursions. I drove one on a single occasion and it had to be one of the most dissapointing motoring experiences of my entire life. You would think a 6.8L V10 would be fairly impressive but it felt to me like it wouldnt even get out of its own way. The most gutless, fuel thirsty lump of metal I think I have ever driven.

[@jeffhartwig5283]

I have the 6.8 L, 3valve Triton on my 08 F350 Crewcab, Superduty 4x4 Lariat with every option. Has not let me down. We tow a 8000 pound bumper pull travel trailer. 8mpg. No trailer it gets up to 14mpg on the freeway. Great motor!

[@jreyman]

The Suburban/Yukon 8.1L Vortec 8100 (and it's predecessor, the 7.4L Vortec 7400) produce more horsepower and torque than any of the competing Ford petrol engines used in the Excursion. The seats were good in the GMT-800 Suburban/Yukon (this video), but the '95 through '98 GMT-400's had the ultimate seats for long road trips, in comfort. Also, unlike that Triton V-10, the GM engines don't randomly jettison any of their spark plugs, making the GM V8 engines considerably more reliable, while making more power, and consuming less fuel than the V-10's.

[@marlonturner226]

In the last 5 years I’ve had 2 V10 and never spit a plug now coil pack is my kick in the ass

[@avalanche3084]

I see your pretty poor if your're driving a vehicle that old. @@marlonturner226

[@journeytree]

I had a 2008 Pontiac Torrent GXP SUV, which is a rebadged Chevy Equinox, for three years. The Torrent was equipped with a 3.6L V6 engine, and typically got 13-16 mpg. I was always in disbelief at how bad on gas that vehicle was for its size. I Think it had a 17 gallon gas tank and usually the estimated range would be about 230 miles, and that's about what I got. Now I have an 11th gen Civic with a 10 or 11 gallon tank that gets about 400 miles per tank.

[@cwyckisslick9444]

3.6 is a real turd, combine that mpg with dropping the entire subframe for a timing chain every 100k, GM had both honda J35's and the 3.6 in the Saturn Vue and you'll never guess which one got better mileage...

[@journeytree]

@@cwyckisslick9444 The engine was very reliable in that car but the gas milage and transmission were awful. I gave my running Torrent with no lights or codes away for $1200 and got a brand new CR-V to replace what the Torrent was used for.

[@RobbyStar1985]

Looking to buy an excursion and found this video. So awesome to see you giys in colorado. So am I. Awesome!

[@jaredkennedy6576]

I'd like to see how they compare under load. I've towed with a V10 before, and at 65 with my 71 F250 behind it it turned in a hair under 13. A similar load behind a 6.7 limiting myself to 10psi was only 14.

[@gilvietor1918]

I ditched our 2018 ram 3500 HO for one of the 8.1's and it is way cheaper in the pocketbook in the end. Maintenance is so much cheaper and when towing, the diesel would just suck down def even with a small cargo trailer. I love mine, I just hope it never gets totaled as I would not know what to get next...

[@johnhaines6546]

I had an 8.1 ext cab short bed and it sucked stopping at a pump every 125 miles for gas so a bigger tank would have been a blessing.

[@gilvietor1918]

@@johnhaines6546 Mine has a 38 gallon, the achilles heal of any diesel now towing is that kind of range with def. I despise dealing with def, and there is a rumor production can't meet current demand too.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

ra m ³500 hybrede

[@ajjohnson3700]

I had a 01 Silverado with the 8.1 and the Alison tranny I put a shift kit in the trans and had a chip and I got 18 on the highway pretty consistent if I drove it nice around town I got about 12 but I could tow whatever I wanted pull and that trucked loved the mud and off road I miss that truck so much I was hit in the passenger side by someone who ran a red light at 60 mph the truck ate it it was a charger that hit me in 2015 the truck o my had 80 thousand miles on it when totaled I walked away just fine and it only totaled out because the cost of damage all the damage caused could have been fixed they said but they would not pay it due to the age of the truck it was a beautiful rust free and sting truck that 8.1 is the best gm gas motor ever made by far

[@johnhaines6546]

Trucks rarely got out of the 12's mpg so not sure how you got 18.

[@ajjohnson3700]

@@johnhaines6546 I had a shift kit that helped a lot controlling rpm’s at speed and the chip helped a lot if I drove it nice and was easy on it I could hit 18 pretty consistent my average was 16.5 or so driving normal and that’s not to bad for a 2500hd truck with 33 inch tires and factory lift

[@miket2172]

Love my 8.1 burban never getting rid of it it was used to pull a 10-12 k trailer daily since new never skipped a beat

[@weegeemike]

Love these videos with these old trucks...I'm A GM guy so I'd go with the 8.1 GMC any day...used to have a 96 GMC Sierra 2500 4x4 with the 454 Vortec...it was a special order truck because it was an extended cab with the 6.5 ft box so it only had a 25 gal tank. Almost all of the 454 equipped trucks had the long bed so they could fit the 36 gal tank...damn thing was always out of gas with the little tank. I got it with around 100k mi on it and back then it got 10mpg whether in town or highway. As it got older it started getting 7/8 in town and 10 on highway. Best I ever got in the 16 years I owned it was 12 mpg which was sensational for that truck.

[@bldontmatter5319]

Time for a tuneup.

[@weegeemike]

@@bldontmatter5319 oh trust me, she was maintained and treated well, always got regular oil changes and plugs/wires/cap/rotor but she just got old and tired and her power and mpg went way down as she approached 300k mi. Sold it not too long sgo, didnt need it for what i bought it for anymore and with gas being so high it was pointless to keep

[@morganwin350]

I believe the V10 and V8 excursions were a toss up on fuel because the V8 was working harder.

[@zacharychavez3482]

This I would agree. On paper the v8 only got about 2mpg better but in practice I'm not so sure.

[@ibrahimcehajic]

The fuel economy hinges on the amount of work performed,so if you're moving a 10klbs load its gonna take certain amount fuel regardless of displacement or number of cylinders,where the lower displacement and lower number of cylinders comes in to play is when cruising and not using all the available power since you have to fill more cylinders or more displacement with fuel hence wasting fuel.

[@sdvten]

Yep, mpg difference is nil. I never saw the point of offering the 5.4l in the Excursion. The 2V 5.4l was a good engine but for the size of the Ex the 6.8l is a better fit. With the super duty the 5.4l made more sense because a regular cab was much lighter than the Ex.

[@golfbravowhiskey8669]

Both of those are perfect Vehicles. I think if that GM didn’t have the dent in the front fender he probably would’ve got 14.5 miles to the gallon🤣💦 BTW glad to see Dino as a sponsor. Long time customer here.

[@jreyman]

Johnson's Corner/Petro TC, I-25, Exit 254, CO. Excellent giant cinnamon rolls.

[@babydnhm]

We have the same gmc suburban in my family, bought new and no major problems but a bad seal in the axle. It currently has 150k miles .

[@jeffemory6615]

☆☆ I have owned both of vehicles and am still currently driving my 2002 Yukon that has over 200,000 miles on it

[@IKhanNot]

The thing is I wouldn't be averse to buying one of these vehicles because they're straightforward and cheap to maintain. The idea of a modern diesel is nice because of the power and decent fuel economy but they are way too advanced and complicated with all the failure points and whatever I save on fuel I will end up spending on maintenance/repairs plus having to deal with down time not to mention the vehicle will be bloody expensive. At most that 8100 Vortec and V10 Triton in the ford will only need regular oil changes, spark plugs every 100k miles, a sensor or two or a gasket here and there and all the work can be done at home in the driveway.

[@thechosen5805]

Agree 100%

[@CJColvin]

Amen to that brother and not to mention that they'll outlast pretty much any overpriced EcoBoost truck out there.

[@doctorcropse2795]

​@@CJColvintheres ecoboost engines with 200k and more miles on them out there that didn't need major repairs Like I have a neighbor with one from 2011 Not disagreeing with you, but the ecoboost motors aren't that bad

[@CJColvin]

@doctorcropse2795 Still they won't outlast the 5.0L (302) Windsor V8 in my 1996 Ford F150.

[@davidkmillerphotography]

The Ford has tires with an aggressive tread patter compared to the Yukon so I'm curious what the mpg if they both had highway tires. I have a 1997 Suburban K1500 and I averaged 17mpg from San Diego to Nashville last year but I did get about 15mpg from mid Oklahoma to 80 miles East Memphis because of the worst rain storm I've ever drive through and I was only driving 55mph in that area where as the rest of the trip at 17+ mpg I was averaging 70+ mph. My Suburban has a 42 gallon tank and I love that it's so big so I don't have to visit the gas station as much but it does cost a kidney to fill it up.

[@sdvten]

The tires surely have more drag than the Yukon. Looks like the Excursion tires are up sized too, look like 285/75R16 which are over an inch taller and an inch wider than the 265/75R16 that usually came on it from factory. Plus the Excursion is a good bit heavier. Excursion did better for mpg than I was expecting.

[@Coolguyjason]

I'm looking to buy a bigger tow vehicle, so I am loving these real world reviews of the old gas guzzlers!

[@mikecreedon9295]

2000 Excursion limited. 6.8 4.30 gears. Transforce A/T tires at 70psi. 14mpg around town. I miss that truck.

[@MJorgy5]

Switch drivers and do the same loop. Incredible how close this was. Also, the 7.3 IDI engine gained the 'Powerstroke' badge after some minor changes and the addition of a turbo. So many IDI owners were installing aftermarket induction kits, Ford decided to install one from the factory.

[@dweebulot]

The 7.3 IDI only shares displacement with the power stroke. Nothing on the IDI is the same as the power stroke due to the PSDs HEUI injection, and electronic controls. The 7.3 IDI is a bored out 6.9

[@A2-RC]

I frequently drove a crew cab long bed Silverado in Japan. It honestly wasn’t that bad. It sure looked ridiculous trying to fit into any parking spot though!

[@nowiecoche]

Nice! 👍

[@callumdonington2227]

I take it it was a military vehicle?

[@A2-RC]

@@callumdonington2227 Used by the military but just your bog standard GMT900. Nothing special.

[@jake51515]

Such good looking trucks and none of that computer tech to have issues with. Id LOVE one of these cause literally the biggest maintence is just gas

[@aldoloya9672]

I got a 6.8L in a f250. Man that engine can tow and haul everything. The sound it makes is awesome. 230000 miles and hoping it gets to 300000

[@deejayimm]

"Using the two click method" --EVAP system has left the chat.

[@Dankcatvacs]

don't think they have killed one yet idk..

[@petelattimer6808]

last i heard, thats the method recommended to NOT destroy the system

[@bendino9016]

They wait 30 seconds. Probably enough time not to flood the evap crap. Two click without waiting is devastating no doubt. Seen lots of ford's with evap issues because owners feel like they gotta top off all the way at every fill-up.

[@murraymadness4674]

Hybrids make so much sense for a big truck that tows half or more of the time. The electric motor gives the starting torque and highway cruising efficiency. They just didn't take off like I expected back then. Maybe now they will.

[@dahei870]

Gm tried this actually, it was a big v8 engine with a hybrid power train. It was an early 2000s model I think? It ended up not being much more efficient.

[@JA-no1qk]

I’ve owned both of these, both lifted on 35s. They both got around 11 mpg all around. The GMC’s torque reigned supreme though. And the Excursion is based on the Super Duty, not the Power Stroke. The PS is an engine. The SD is a platform.

[@Billyboy4209]

I bought both of these trucks at the same time one time on accident.. well kind of… I was driving and my friend being stupid pulled my E brake and I hit six park cars two of them being these two vehicles, both of them at the time within two weeks of being purchased brand new. Thank God for full coverage insurance

[@michalipka4755]

In Poland it is very popular to convert these kind of vehicles to LPG. I wonder if it is possible in Colorado and how much would it cost. Maybe thats an idea for next episode

[@bbsal4031]

What is LPG ?

[@marksimpson9419]

Liquefied petroleum gas. In America some fleets convert to lpg, but because there are so few places that sell it, conversions are pretty rare for privately owned vehicles.

[@michalipka4755]

@@marksimpson9419 LPG convertion for tbis car in Poland makes sense LPG is half price of petrol. Car consumes little more LPG that conventional gasoline but it is still much less. Thanx for answer. Best regards from Warszawa

[@paulhooker7701]

Use to own a dodge conversion van with a fifty gallon tank. It was a 1984 . Had the TV and vcr. Was actually the best road trip vehicle I've ever owned. Even with a tired 5.2 highway mpg was about 20 without a trailer. Can't imagine how much it would cost to fill now.

[@leakyjeep5.9]

$250 @ 5 bucks a gallon if you were on empty.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

dogge new hybred miñi vab

[@mrrice117]

I remember when i was younger we had a 2003 expedition and i owned a 2000 expedition and a 2006 jeep commander. Driving a 100 miles on the highway without fueling was a dream come true haha

[@tonialbritton251]

I got an 02 Silverado 2500HD with the 8.1 and Allison transmission. It has over 350,000 miles on it and it still keeps on pulling my trailer with no issues. I get just over 10 mpg with it. When I got it, it had about 150,000 miles on it and I got it for $3000.00 at the time. Well spent money if I say so. Truck is still in real good shape and just now starting to rust on the rockers and cab corners. I told my wife if we get 500,000 miles on it we will rebuild it and keep it longer. It is just to damn reliable for a truck.

[@krassimirpetrov7131]

Not sure I’d want to deal with the emissions stuff on new diesels

[@Dagestadman]

my excursion v10 averages around 8 to 10 with my use

[@RandomHeroGames]

Mine has always stuck around 8 to 9.5.

[@JoseRodriguez-gy8ju]

I own a 97 first gen ford expedition with the 5.4 two valve engine and love it

[@lionelborges8094]

Lionel here in central California. What is also impressive about these vehicles, is how many miles they have and doing that well.

[@erniearruda8861]

$175 Canadian currency to fill my 04 Tahoe with a 85 litre tank at a price of $2.15 a litre in southern Ontario Canada 🇨🇦

[@blazerteam]

I have a 2003 Avalanche in Norway,and we have the fuel now at 3 dollars litre.But the truck is paid,so no loans.Will get 18-19 mpg on the highway,and 11-14 in the cuty

[@BrownBomber92181]

The Ford V-10 wasn't just a 5.4 with 2 extra cylinders, it also had a different split pin crankshaft as well

[@jamesgeorge4874]

The block is essentially a V8+2 but of course it has split pins, the bank angle is 90 degrees (because it's based on the Triton) and it also has a balance shaft on the bank 2 cam towers too. If Ford cast a 72 degree V block, split pins would not be needed, but then it would not be Triton based either, would it ? And a 90 degree V8 does not have, or need split pins.

[@BrownBomber92181]

@@jamesgeorge4874 that's why its so incredibly smooth, one of the sweetest sounding engines I've ever heard.

[@jamesgeorge4874]

@@BrownBomber92181 sounds like a Viper, same layout. It's not bad, but it's not LFA musical, or Carrera GT glorious, but sounds good. I like the sound of I5 engines like the Audi Sport Quattro, or V70R Volvo. Obviously, these are just half-a-V10's .

[@BrownBomber92181]

@@jamesgeorge4874 i don't think it sounds at all like the Dodge V-10, those have a flat sound with that 90° crank and no balance shaft

[@jamesgeorge4874]

@@BrownBomber92181 the balance shaft has zero effect on sound.

[@georose33]

I ordered a fully loaded V-10 Excursion in 2002. It was not a daily driver, just used for road trips, which we took a lot of, carting kids all over the northeast for their travel sports. It was one of my favorite vehicles I ever owned. In 2008 my kids moved on from travel sports and the Excursion sat in the garage. Gas was about $4 a gallon, I figured it was worth nothing. I sold it in 2009 for $14,000 in perfect condition with 48K miles on it.

[@thebigguy8306]

Thanks, Tommy and Brendon. Ah, the Ford one-finger steering. Since the 70's 400+ cubic inch land yachts (72 New Yorker 440, 73 Merc Marquis 429, 74 Cad Deville 472) , thinking 2 gals per mile