Off-Roading Two Military Icons Until One Breaks...

[@TFLclassics]

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[@alanhinkel420]

Who was the first company to make wrist watches? Do y’all know?

[@Buzzrust1]

Check out flat fenders on the Rubicon trail guys.

[@jamestyndall529]

It's going on 90 not 100

[@williamhadley1580]

$65 off a $650 watch.

[@jamesbeaman6337]

@@williamhadley1580don’t I wish that GSAR was only $650. I’m seeing $1200 on that site myself. Great watches from Marathon but too rich for my blood. I’ll stick with my Deep Blue Daynight OPS knockoff of the GSAR I found used for about 1/5th that price.

[@BurrWolf]

I drove these M998 HMMWV in the Army in the 90's as a 13F (Drove the FSO For a year) and I knew instantly you ran out of fuel. These things are thirsty beasts and the fuel gauge is really more of a suggestion powered by the hopes and dreams of the Butterbar leading your convoy.

[@InchonDM]

If they were fueled on petty ambition, though, they'd run around the world twice.

[@kylemaskell722]

You only have a 300 mile range on a tank of fuel and the armor variants had just over 200 miles to a tank of fuel just me they will get you right to the next fuel stop and now further.

[@tedparker640]

King of battle! I served for 14 years, first as a 63B, then went to 19E school, did that for 4 years, then in '91 when desert shield turned to desert storm was at Ft. Sill maxing the 13F class (graduated with a 96.7 percentile) and later took a 13C course. Some great times! I started on the M151 jeep, then on to M998. We had a diy box plans to slide into the back of the 998 for our FSE truck at the 29th divarty! Good stuff!

[@medicburd]

Bruh. You got me dying here. 😂🤣 Honestly, I’m surprised that thing wasn’t deadlined.

[@chadalcock7275]

I drove around the brigade FSO for a while as a 13F, also COLT. I don't think I would ever own a HMMWV if you paid me. Now the M42, in a heartbeat (if I could afford one).

[@NeoVoodooTech]

That Army mechanic dude showing up made this video. That's kinda the same way mail delivery trucks work, they have a set budget per lifetime of the vehicle and once exceeded that vehicle is no longer repaired and is auctioned/sold. Very cool!

[@MB-wu3qe]

Thanks for the nice comment. I'm that guy ha. I wish he had let me prep for the interview because I said a few wrong things. Like "fuel injectors" I meant " fuel injection pump"

[@NeoVoodooTech]

@@MB-wu3qe Ay no worries man you did great! Thanks for your service.

[@HawkinsLeather]

@@MB-wu3qe God bless and enjoy your freedom with your family off-roading! We use GovX, so drop on by our site and we will hook you and all military / first responders up.

[@dpav02]

@@MB-wu3qeI watch TFL all the time. You did great! It almost seemed like it was fake / planted with how well you did! Thank you for your service and it was cool that you stopped by to genuinely try to help.

[@sixpest]

Its kinda sad when ya think of it. And why our defense bill is so high

[@dpav02]

I loved the Army Mechanic stopping by to see if he could help without hesitation. You can tell he’s a good dude and I thank him for his service.

[@MB-wu3qe]

I appreciate TFL allowing me to speak on HMMWVs. For the record I meant" fuel injection pump" not "fuel injector" haha. I like HMMWVs and would love to own one but at the moment I was thinking like a mechanic who just knows how much of a pain they can be since the Army allows them to sit up so long. The good ol kick the tires and the PMCS is done type of thing (not that that's the way the Army/ leadership wants it done)

[@alanhinkel420]

Thanks for your service.

[@tedparker640]

Just curious if you started as a 63B like I did in '85, or did you go straight to the 91B series. Also where did you go to Advanced training? I did mine at lost-in-the-woods...

[@ravensfan7200]

Thank you for your service 🤝

[@Cornbread199]

I can't believe you made it through an interview about the HMMWV without letting a single swear word slip. You're a stronger man than me bro. I guess since they were in the desert, they couldn't really appreciate the heat coming off the engine and transmission directly into the cab. It is great for those long winter days though.

[@RockMountainYJ]

No matter what’s wrong with it…it’s considered 10 level maintenance

[@davidjernigan8161]

The Jeep has been completely restored and rebuilt. The HMMV is probably due for some major refurbishment. Big difference

[@Cloud30000]

You aren’t wrong, but most of the work was on the exterior; the engines in those Willy’s last forever, and likely was barely touched during restoration.

[@classicgunstoday1972]

I’m not sure the Jeep is fully restored. If you go to their first video on it, it only gets up to about 48 mph tops. Just about all the willys jeep enthusiast I’ve talked to say that if you can’t get at least 55-60 out of the MB, that’s indicative of an engine not maintained or built wrong.

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

Making sure it has fuel in it goes a long way.

[@mr.butterworth]

The big difference - besides 40+ years development between them, is that as far as 4X4’s go, the Humvee is an exotic. And you know how it goes with exotics, they need attention. The Jeep obviously on the other hand is just as basic as can be, less to go wrong.

[@NickTarterOKC]

Also, HMMV is absolutely gargantuan and the Jeep is light and nimble so you are right... BIG difference.

[@alanhinkel420]

My Grandfather landed at Normandy on D-Day. Thanks for remembering our soldiers. I tried and tried to get him to tell me some stories of wartime but he never would tell me anything. He told my stepdad some stories but only about when he was wounded. Thanks to all who serve and have served. You truly deserve better from the US than what you’re getting right now. Hope it gets better.

[@leitheparsons1186]

My Dad was a WW2 vet( I was a late accident) and he didn't talk about combat directly. He would talk about other things about being overseas. The one time it came up was when my brothers want all of us to go see the movie, Pearl Harbor. He just said he lived it and don't need to go. He wasn't there Dec. 7 but served in the Pacific and had 2 purple hearts. It is always on my mind when watching a war movie. I know before he passed he shared stories with my sons that was just between them and I'm fine with that.

[@alanhinkel420]

@@leitheparsons1186 My grandfather had two Purple Hearts as well. He got shot in the head and also got frostbite. He also was awarded the Bronze Star with Oak Leaf Cluster. He had several other medals. He brought home a German Soldier’s Femaru P Mod 37 Handgun with the holster. You can still read the guy’s name. I only know that my grandfather did, in fact, have to dispatch him. When you open the gun it has those weird Nazi symbols on the inside. My grandfather was in the 6th Armored Division under Patton.

[@leitheparsons1186]

My Dad his stuff stolen from his brothers basement after getting back, he just said that it probably kept him from dwelling on the past. He got frostbite in his hands when his ship went down( weather) patroling looking for the Japanese and the second was from a zero attack just before the battle of leyte. He never told me more about it than I just told you.

[@alanhinkel420]

@@leitheparsons1186 You could probably get new medals. My grandfather lost his and my stepdad helped him get new ones. They should have his military records.

[@leitheparsons1186]

​@@alanhinkel4201973 in Missouri they had a fire that wiped out around 17 million personnel files, it was an issue when he filed for Soc. Security as well his birth certificate was lost to fire or flood as well. I do have his shellback certificate( crossing the equator).

[@Precisionreelworks]

military tires at the time had no directional tread pattern so the enemy couldnt tell which way the convoys were moving

[@vettle1]

Some of the tires did have a design pattern where you could tell if it was facing a certain way but they were not directional tires but we also mixed them up whether they were facing " forward or backwards" on the vehicle

[@danam0228]

Very smart

[@johnchestnut5340]

And you got the same traction both directions.

[@Chainmailninja]

Also fwiw pizza cutters are good for mud, as long as you can dig to the bottom.

[@danam0228]

@@johnchestnut5340 lol

[@rmp5s]

Being a US Marine, trust me when I say, HMMWVs are INCREDIBLY tough and will go damn near anywhere. They're desperately underpowered (ESPECIALLY the up-armored ones) but, if I have to go off road, I can't think of anything with wheels that I'd rather be in

[@ectofix8447]

Semper Fi.

[@rmp5s]

@@ectofix8447 Oorah.

[@vettle1]

The ones that we added armor to were incredibly underpowered but the ones that came from the factory with frag5 armor had forced inductions on the engines to solve that problem but those came later.

[@rmp5s]

@@vettle1 Yea, that would help. I don't know whose bright idea it was to slap some 30,000lbs of armor on a truck with a whole...what...160hp?...if that? I remember driving one home from a field op, on the FREEWAY, TOWING A TRAILER...in June...in southern California. OBVIOUSLY it overheated like crazy so we had to crank the HEATER to try to keep the thing at least somewhat cool. Up-armored humvee windows open a whole 3". That was a brutal friggin ride...lol

[@dundonrl]

Only thing that I KNOW is better off road is a dedicated SxS. I took my Polaris General up rocks that on video don't look like anything but in real life were very steep and rugged! (I drove HMMWV's when I was stationed in Hawaii, and took the USMC taught driving course on Bellows Field, including driving on the beach).

[@Kevin24Seven]

As someone who's owned and wheeled both Jeeps and Humvees a bunch, I can tell you if you're measuring off-road ability, there really is no comparison. Lighter weight, greater articulation of solid axles, shorter wheelbase, far less width, better power to weight ratio, etc. really makes a huge difference on the trail! Mind you I'm talking Jeep CJs, YJs, TJs, JLs, etc. I've never owned or driven the original WW2 stuff but I bet its fun! That being said, nothing beats the Humvees cool factor and its like driving a mansion compared to even modern 4 door Jeeps. So much room for stuff! They also ride and handle better on the street (after you put better tires on them) and the turbo variants aren't half bad in the power department. If you love off roading go with a Jeep, if you want to do a little bit of everything, a Humvee isn't a bad choice. Just don't expect good gas mileage or being able to hold a conversation at highway speeds lol.

[@TheMeanmarine13]

as someone who drove humvees for 4 yrs in the Corps, avoid humvees all together unless you enjoy hearing loss and maintenance issues lmao

[@jamesengland7461]

Huh? 😂

[@bldontmatter5319]

They're military grade, meaning cheap and low quality (but solid as a rock)​@@jamesengland7461

[@RockMountainYJ]

I can’t hear you over my military grade tinnitus.

[@Here_is_Waldo]

@RockMountainYJ the military has determined that your military grade hearing loss that occurred during your military service was in fact NOT caused by the military.

[@RockMountainYJ]

@@Here_is_Waldo when applying for a disability rate increase; I actually had a red deny my claim stating I have two functioning legs…me being a left below knee amputee couldn’t help but laugh just like the Jameson meme from Spider-Man and look at that guy and be like. “Your serious”

[@DocGTO]

That tire design was decided on so the enemy didn't know which way the vehicles were going.

[@trailrunnah8886]

I've heard that before, and it kind of makes sense until you think about how the tires behave when the vehicle turns. I think it's pretty easy to determine in which direction a vehicle is going when you see the different arcs the wheels traveled. Or, if a vehicle spins a tire in mud, it's very easy to determine which direction it was spinning.

[@jeepinbanditrider]

For the time frame a 134ci mass produced 4 cylinder making 60hp was pretty impressive.

[@apodski]

Yeah, it was a good engine. Nicknamed the "go devil". It was actually about the only part fully designed by Willy's. In the jeep prototyping, a tiny auto company called Bantam actually produced by far the best chassis, body, and drivetrain prototype, amongst submissions from Willy's, Ford, and others. Most of this Bantam design was used with the addition of the exceptional Willy's engine. The bantam company however was tiny, and the government contracts to actually manufacture the jeeps were given to Willy's and Ford. Bantam got a contract to build jeep trailers instead, which were also quite good and innovative.

[@apodski]

The one issue with this engine is that it isn't a cross flow head so after slow moving or sitting hot, the carburetor starts to get hot nestled in the exhaust manifold. They'd run rich and carry on. But, they still did run, good enough for government work.

[@grahamstretch6863]

My dad drove one in 1944 - 45, he said you were actually “only in control of a Jeep when your arse was on the seat and all 4 wheels were on the ground and that coincidence was rare!” Bear in mind they weren’t pottering around like you guys, they were going hell for leather with bullets chasing them a good bit of the time!

[@drcovell]

In the old Reader’s Digest section *Humor in Uniform* there was a story about an incident in Vietnam where the 4 men in the Jeep got caught in an ambush. They jumped out, each grabbed a corner of the Jeep, swung it around 180 degrees and took off back the way they came. Couldn’t do that to a Humvee. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@markspence3750]

I was in the Marine Corps in 1988, and then in the Persian Gulf War, and the Hummers were really good at carrying radio equipment, huge antennae, lots of boxes for electronics. You could go 60mph in the desert. BUT, BUT, you had a fleet of mechanics to fix them all the time. That makes a huge difference.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

The wee jeeps also required regular maintenance, but being so much smaller and lighter, they were far easier to work on than Humvees. I have yet to meet a grease monkey who enjoyed working on a humvee over a keep.

[@colink4710]

I remember dragging downed trees on my grandpa property in his slat grill Willys. We would put it in 4 low and it was incredible what it could do. Thanks for bringing back the memories!

[@earlp3315]

I would love to see the old Jeep compete against the mahindra Roxor.

[@wompa70]

"Tires old enough to vote." That's hilarious.

[@jwdundon]

I have a flatbed trailer It WAS 1974 travel trailer, (about y2k, I ripped the top off, and put WW2 AIRCRAFT LANDING MAT IN IT FOR A DECK). The bias ply tires on it, are still the 1974 originals.

[@alyx8522]

@@jwdundon sounds fit for a cross country road trip

[@jacobs2830]

I just bought a 1954 M211 6X6 and the guys at the tire place were horrified and amazed at the same time because it turns out I have 1964 tires on the old beast. They commented that you don't see modern tires holding up like that. :) I have at least replaced the front tires and scraping up the $ for the 8 on the rear lol.

[@wmden1]

I'm 72 years old, so I am partial to the Jeep. It will get you there and back, from most places, and probably cost less than 1/4 of what the Hummer would cost to acquire and keep running. You can buy hard cabs, canvas tops, heaters, etc. for the Jeeps.

[@TheCatzFranzNeko]

Saw the title and thumbnail and laughed out loud saying "That's not gonna take long for the Humvee!" I was right

[@steverolfeca]

You asked: Suzuki LJ80 was imported into Canada in 1979. 800cc, 41hp 4-cylinder. At 1698lb curb weight, it considerably undercut the Willys MB weight-wise...

[@ffwest12]

I was stationed at a Reserve Center from 1986 to 88, the Marines had Humvees well before 89. They were putting them on platforms, and dropping them from C-130's it was amazing. The marines there hated them because of the drive trains on them.

[@Lupodimare1234]

Many years back, wenn I did my basic training (1985) in the Swiss army, we still had some Willys Jeep and CJ-5 and those were the only vehicules not only without doors and seatbelts, but also without a handle for the passenger to hold on to. But man, did we love them😊

[@LukeEdward]

So the most reliable vehicle is the 75 year old Jeep. Got it. I do enjoy these “GQ & Gomer Pyle” shows.

[@kevinbarry71]

The jeep was restored. So it should work better; not to mention it has about three moving parts

[@flight2k5]

🙄 really?

[@carbonfiber492]

To be fair a gq would outlast both

[@flight2k5]

@@carbonfiber492 no it wouldn’t

[@carbonfiber492]

@@flight2k5you do know what a gq is yeh

[@fourtyfivefudd]

Those narrow tires may not have the most amount of traction on dirt, but they are excellent at getting traction in snow and mud. The just cut through it instead of getting stuck.

[@sombra6153]

Considering how Europe had an ample amount of snow and mud during the time the Jeep made its bones, the tires were more than sufficient. Seems like the Pacific islands likely also had plenty of mud.

[@tah6746]

More Vehicles need to be built like this Jeep. Light Weight, Simple Reliability.

[@biggooddad]

When you hit the whoop section at three times the recommended speed, (because someone or some group of someones is shooting at you) the Jeep will keep rescuing yer arse provided you don't get tossed out while the Jeep is being bounced three or four feet in the air. Very durable little buggers, and if memory serves, you could get one (war surplus) in a crate for around $55.00 and have it shipped to your home back in the 70's

[@frankrault3190]

The fourtees: "We want something useful" The years zero: "We want something big"

[@robertpacheco3265]

Good video, 2 things on old jeeps. Correct, NDT tires look good, but for traction not good. Deflate a little will help. On no climb hill, turn around and go up in reverse, Jeep will say YES SIR!

[@DPACGJ]

Slipping out of 2nd gear while engine braking occurred with each old Jeep I’d driven (‘49 and ‘53). As a kid my father had me push my feet against the gear shift during long downhills while in 2nd gear to keep it from popping out of gear.

[@Buzzrust1]

A bungie cord holds them forward great

[@robertallison9653]

My Grandma owned one, and towed it behind her camper truck. She flipped it over in Colorado on Mt. Evans! She made it out alive!

[@emmersonsimeao]

The Jeep is like "i'm here to take you from A to B, i don't really care if you want comfort or something"

[@Pnwvintagejeeps]

I love that the guy who worked on Humves was driving a Jeep 😂 Let’s go off-road some Willy’s Jeeps together

[@joezephyr]

One of the best videos TFL has ever done thank you.

[@TFLclassics]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@kevinbarry71]

That hummer has a nice belt squeak and what sounds like a failing power steering pump. Of course the jeep was restored but this one looks like it was just pulled out of a wrecking yard

[@maierrobert4]

It's not a Hummer if it doesn't have a failing power steering pump😂

[@lowlife7424]

In 1987. During maneuvers at Hohenfels Germany, I observed a ‘50s Jeep go everywhere my M60A3 tank could go. They climbed rutted muddy hills like a billygoat while pulling a trailer. Packed with radio’s, swaying antenna’s, bringing me chow at night in the rain… they are amazing.

[@IKnewMickey]

Great guests on today's show. Also Super nice of the mechanic to stop and offer his wealth of experience. This proves there's still lots of nice ppl in spite of the dark hole the algorithm takes me too when I scroll car vids.

[@thatcarguy1UZ]

To answer your question of what other vehicle is as small and light as the Jeep while still having solid axles, the one vehicle I can think of that was another vehicle that you guys featured prominently on TFL, the Suzuki Samurai. It also had roughly 60 horsepower. It weighed about 2,200 lb, and it also had solid axles on leaf springs front and rear.

[@orion8385]

Don't forget that jeep came EMP hardened straight from the factory with a condenser and points for ignition well before anyone knew an EMP was possible.

[@hawkuser604]

The original JEEP was invented by Bantam in Butler, PA where I was born. There is a memorial to it in Diamond Park near the center of the town last that I checked. It would be cool if you could go see that. Willy's and Ford took the contract from the government, because Bantam could not produce enough. That is western PA not Eastern PA. Butler County, PA

[@tommygatch]

If you are interested, look into the 1940 Budd. It was a collaborative effort of the Budd and Ford. Ford was trying to hedge bets on the contract. You'll see stories about it being "discovered in the California desert" by Jeff Polidro. Yeah it was "discovered" in Riverside, CA after I took a few pictures of it and asked in some Jeep Forums if anyone could identify it as I had never seen anything exactly like it before. The Budd belonged to an older friend of mine and it was sitting on his property. He was looking to sell it and wanted to know what I thought it was worth. Long story short, I am proud that I had a part in saving an important piece of Jeep history.

[@michaelkeyser8371]

The HUMMER is much like a FIAT you will need 2 because 1 is always broken.

[@morge...]

BS

[@adrianharrison5208]

I'm not a big Hummer fan, but let's not talk crap

[@ranig2848]

You can load the jeep on the back of the humvee and use it as a “rescue boat” 🤣

[@Danzilly]

Humvee is fun but I'll take the willy's they can go on more tighter trails plus there easier to work on!

[@Bob1934-l6d]

Before the CJ2 jeep. Simple to work on easy to repair. The HUMVEE is that mouse designed by committee and became an elephant. All most bought one till I found out they have grounding issues that prevent them from starting. Plus corrosion issues.

[@keithsuggs7935]

I understand the military guys asked for more power in the jeep pickup truck. In classic government style they spent gobs of money a whole new vehicle.

[@VACUUM_HISTORIAN]

A friend of mine served in Iraq. He said that the Hummers were serviced and repaired only when they need it, and they were duct taped and rigged together.

[@Jonatan_SE]

Tommy and Kase content is the best.

[@kantemirovskaya1lightninga30]

We mounted Tow Missile launchers with 3 man crew on the M151A2 1/4 tons... Used to drive an entire company of em from Tacoma to Yakima 2x year. They took our jeeps and gave us Humvees to test and we... didn't like them. Too big. We could hide a jeep in a small bush

[@cottonhiker]

To all who have served, are serving, will serve, THANK YOU 🙏 🇺🇸💪🏼

[@TFLclassics]

Well said!

[@mikereinhardt4807]

Ok, both have their pluses and minuses. With reasonable maintenance the jeep will give you less issues over the long run. Less moving parts easy to repair in the field etc. As an example, I had a set of points fail me in the field and I was able to repair them with a flat tip screwdriver and two small rocks. Try repairing an electronic ignition in the field, no spare replacement parts and your sunk. The humv certainly has a greater potential for off roading capabilities. In the end it's personal preference as both are fun in the dirt for shure!...

[@diegosilang4823]

Nothing beats simplicity and reliability of the original Jeep.

[@VintageWanderer]

Hummers are almost to wide here in east with tight wood trails. I love my Cj2A and love my Volvo C303 even more! Cheers,

[@boanerges5723]

Even with a much heavier M1151 you could have gotten through that course more easily. I've clocked a lot of hours off-road in those throughout Iraq. Eventually the Humvee becomes more of an extension of self. Lower your psi slightly in the tires. If they are taken care of well they tend to be incredibly reliable. They aren't about crawling, strap in and keep your speed up.

[@sailordave1000]

You should look into the accessories that were made available for those old Jeeps when they entered civilian use. Some pretty crazy but functional stuff

[@alangeddes268]

First drove the Jeep in 1966. Max speed allowed was 35 mph. With the M60 machine gun mount in the back and firing a foot or so from driver's head you could really lose your hearing for a while. One time in Germany the one ahead of me hit a boar. It was winter with full canvas installed. They threw it in the back seat with two guys. A few minutes later I watched 4 men jumping out of the still moving machine. Boar was not dead and had revived. Fantastic go anywhere, easy to work on little machine. I had the pleasure of being the first person to drive the 3 Hummer prototypes from different companies when they came in by train to Fort Bragg NC. Never really cared for them. I then some years later ran the test site for 3 years when the FMTV vehicles were being tested. My personal truck was a factory prototype. When all was done the company demanded it be destroyed. I got up with some Special Forces guys and asked if they would like to blow up a complete, driveable truck. I had to film it being done. It went boom really well.

[@justincase1575]

I had a ‘48 cj2a. It was totally awesome! It could go through snow up to top of hood, rivers( It had a snorkel set up with aircraft type plugs and wiring) I loved it!

[@jeffshriber6120]

The jeep was phenomenal for what it was when it was designed and built for what it was used for. Very easy maintenance, very reliable, light weight and easily transportable, easy and quick to manufacture and it moved people in all theaters in the war. Remember before the jeep the military was using horses. In fact I think if the Humvee was around in WW2 they would have chosen the jeep anyhow.

[@Injunfarian]

The HMMWV were designed to be support vehicles(behind the lines) with the same track width as the tanks... if there was a tree line the tanks could flatten them out making a trail and the HMMWVs could follow.. HMMWV has superior specs to the Jeeps.

[@marlattusmc]

I worked on HMMWV's for years and I HATE that truck.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Pretty much what I hear from every grease monkey, they say the same thing. On the other hand The little Willys are small and light, and stupidly simple.

[@hawkuser604]

I cringe every time I see some one buy a garbage neglected and broken military M998 series truck and call it garbage who has never driven a properly maintained one. It almost makes me mad , because I drove the crap out of them back in the 90's before they were over loaded and abused and they were great. Yes the engine sucked and it would not do more than 60 mph, but that was not what it was meant for. It was not meant for rock climbing or mmud bogging. But a good shape one when I drove them could do a lot .. if you were trained on how to use them. Light braking while climbing was one thing we were taught on the original models to get the axles to lock was one thing, maybe that changed.

[@faryldaryl3975]

Yes, thank you. They're basically getting a vehicle out of a junkyard, not doing any repairs on it, and then expect it to run with a new (or restored) one. A fair comparison would've been to run the grey one against the jeep, preferably with someone who knew how to drive them. As for the mil jeeps, one I had to use was over 30 years old and broke down all the time. The grunts in my squad got pretty good at fixing it themselves. I would've killed for a HMMWV.

[@TerryCristopher]

The little Jeep has really good low gears, the humvee doesn’t have locking differentials which I thought was interesting

[@splooge52]

HMMWVs have Torsen differentials and can lock up with slight brake pressure while giving throttle.

[@Justin-ul9wo]

The jeep starting better isnt fair, its been restored, Guessing the Hummvees are fresh out of auction lol

[@Eli-pf5og]

You said it loved or hated based on use case scenario. I love the old Jeeps but the HMMV served me well. They did a lot of things well and some not some not so much!

[@jwdundon]

5.9 litre of underpower! Lol.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

A Hmmwv is fine; if you have a team of grease monkeys and a warehouse full of spare parts to keep them going.. A Willys will keep running with a redneck tinkerer and a box of spares in the field..

[@ectofix8447]

Realizing this video was far from your intended ending, you guys improvised it into an extremely interesting one. Well done!

[@ottf24]

I drove one for over 20 years in the army... never did to not climb a hill or get stuck on the terrains.even had one for the division commander with Recaro seats in it ..🤣🤣

[@notreallyme425]

The military did not run these with diesel. The fuel they used was JP4 and later JP8, a fuel that was used for every vehicle (tanks, helicopters, HMMVs all used the same). A fuel for all but not the best diesel replacement. That could explain some of the problems as they age. The old timers would put a quart or 2 of motor oil in the fuel tank once a month or so. Not sure if that actually helped.

[@Injunfarian]

Exactly and to run JP8 fuel they had to burn hotter which is not ideal for the 6.5L TD engines... in civilian hands with proper cooling system the 6.5L is a pretty decent engine with proper operating temps.

[@picklesontheroad]

LOL I was a fresh Private in the Army when the Hummer was first fielded in Germany. Sham General, took us all out to a training area that we called 6910 (very rough, sandy, was used an an airfield at one time) They gave us a block of instruction, then cut us loose saying you can't get one stuck, you can't flip one. LMAO Tell that to a Private in the Army and he'll prove you wrong! We had 2 of them stuck (belly down in the sand) and one of them on it's side within an hour. These were meant to replace the Gama Goats, JEEPS and the Chevy trucks we drove (CUCV). They never did replace the CUCV while I was still in. Given the choice, I'd take the JEEP. Much easier to keep running.

[@Xingularity]

I joined the Army in 1990 as the new HMMWV were being phased in. We had 3 in our unit, and they were all Command Staff vehicles. The rest were CUCVs, The old Chevy/GMC styled Blazers. We also had a few VW T2s which were real fun to drive.

[@RobertPace-qz3bt]

I was stationed in Germany in the late 80’s as the HMWV were replacing The Jeep. We loved our Jeeps and were reluctant to turn them in. The HMWV was so much larger you just couldn’t drive through a forest without a trail. You can with a Jeep. Jeeps are much quieter too.

[@myMotoring]

You should add a Hilux A.K.A Taliban's Humvee into the mix

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

When i served in Iraq and Afghanistan i loved The Humvee's we Had Good old Reliable 13:00

[@joniinnocenti431]

Hawkins and Co. Leather make the best leather goods around!!!

[@bryaninnc5511]

Excellent video for the D-Day anniversary! Now, bring in the Gama Goat 😂

[@TFLclassics]

On it!

[@bryaninnc5511]

@@TFLclassics That would be awesome!

[@Salty_Balls]

My dad used to work at the Moraine Diesel Plant where they built the 6.2/6.5 for these and GM vehicles. He was there from the beginning to the end and loved that place. It was torn down when DMax came around and the military 6.5l engines were moved to a facility just south of town.They actually hired some of the GM guys to work there because they knew this motor so well. There's a handbuilt first-engine-off-the-line at Carillon Park in Dayton that dad helped them build as a display piece when the factory was opened.

[@ksi7796]

To be honest, the biggest advantage of the Humvee is that it provides a fairly sturdy chassis. Its engine horsepower is very low, only 170 horsepower, which is not enough for a truck weighing several tons. Driving it is like driving a small car with only 50 horsepower. Its off-road capability is only strong on surfaces with strong adhesion, as its end torque can take it through all obstacles. However, please note that once the Humvee reaches soft or slippery ground, its heavy body and weak power can easily trap it!

[@DavidToner-pn5yk]

Was there really any doubt.... These jeeps are still around today for a reason... 👍

[@Zach-sg5uu]

With the Jeep & the Humvee. You have to give it some speed and power to get up that hill! In a war zone they wouldn’t be playing around and creeping up the hill!!

[@kens8903]

I need to see that old jeep go against the newer suzuki jimny.

[@gruetter]

I love my willys. I still use it on my farm in Brasil. Lots of fun.

[@dlm808101]

Jeep comes from the word GP General Purpose Vehicles. Mutt comes from MUT Multi purpose Utility Transport. Humvee come from HMMWV High Mobility Multi purpose Wheeled Vehicle.

[@danwilliams5867]

We still had Jeeps when I was in. Never saw them stuck, they did tip over on the side now and again. We would push them back over, start em up and take off again

[@colimex9182]

You guys should have put it on High Lock or Low Lock on the transfer case for the hill. I think it would have crawled up just fine! I couldn’t tell, but it looks like it was on high for the transfer case, so power is not evenly sent to the front and rear diffs. Also, if it isn’t out of fuel, you can get plastic or anything that you can hold up against the exhaust to seal it, and they typically start. I always did it in cold weather or when they hadn’t been turned on for a while. And yes, fuel gauges on HMMWVs suck!

[@anthonyc1883]

Oh man, that old footage of Andre in a Humvee with water flooding in! I remember it well. Classic!!

[@garypoortvliet2478]

Also, the reason its so small and the windshield folds down, is so it could fit in a crate to be shipped overseas. They also wanted it to fit in a landing craft, so the us army had very specific size requirements.

[@arlenenolte8475]

Great episode! Thank you for serving our country Mr. Army Mechanic!

[@SeanKStephens]

In 1989 I came across the NSN for an HMMWV with a budget cost of $17,000. Those first gens were great in their own way, but that 6.2 diesel was just a terrible engine with a lot of problems. We couldn't drive them over 50 mph or they would shake you to death, then one of our NCOs ordered an alignment stick so we could 4-wheel align them and they drove pretty nice on the highways after that. Still, fun vehicles and could do just about anything you needed them to do.

[@kylemaskell722]

So did you read the driving manual for the hmmwv? You sould there is a section about hills in that. As a former marine with a 3521 most you sould read before operating.

[@littlejimmy7402]

I have been assigned both vehicles while in the U.S. Army. I was a 13M at Ft. Sill 1986-89. We had jeeps probably until 1988, or early 89. The jeep in some ways was such a better vehicle, it's very light and small. So it's hyper mobile, getting one stuck is kind of hard. But, they are easy to get unstuck, sometimes just man power will do it. Most maintenance could be done by the driver, parts were easy to come by. The HMMWV is huge and still totally uncomfortable. Pretty decent off-road, but really big and wide so there are some places it just can't go. The maintenance was more complicated on the HMMWV. I'd rather be stuck in a HMMWV overnight though.

[@pfcstuck]

@ 15:20 you have to air down the tires to get up that hill from a stop. You have beadlock wheels on the HMMWV, so (unlike the jeep) you can go all the way down as much as you need to

[@burnside8729]

the jeep has a little stiffer a suspention like that due to the original designator name of "1/4Ton, 4x4 truck" and designed not just as a scout but also gun tow, tractor, tug, aircraft mover and rarely at times though not design for it for the airforce.... it ended up sometimes being a bus for bomber crews having sometimes the entire crew riding on one jeep.

[@Blaze-hr2pk]

The Hummvee driven properly would have made that hill with no problem.

[@Tuck-Shop]

Less complex, less to go wrong

[@flight2k5]

Doesn’t equal more reliable

[@Tuck-Shop]

@@flight2k5 KISS principle of engineering.

[@flight2k5]

@@Tuck-Shop doesn’t equal more reliable

[@thefancydoge8668]

​@flight2k5 If anything broke, it was made simple so it could be back up and running quickly, making it more reliable to use on a battlefield.

[@flight2k5]

@@thefancydoge8668 but that doesn’t make it reliable.

[@Boodieman72]

The HUMVEE does have a central tire inflation system so you can inflate and deflate the tires on the fly.

[@wh33lhousediecast]

"every good soldier has to do some exploration on foot"

[@KreatorStudios]

In the military in the 90s, my experience was that the Humvee was a maintenance queen. Before I even watch a minute I’m guessing the Willys has it all day long.

[@michaelmyers3892]

I love my little 48 willys, basically the only thing I upgraded was the electrical the shocks added some skid plating change the tires ARB electric locking differentials and a roll bar but she's factory original body original motor clutch everything she is such a joy to drive

[@eddiegiovanniello25]

I'm A 20 year Combat veteran and I have to say the M-151 and the M-151A2 Willys jeep is a freaking Billy goat and it is much more reliable than the hummer the hummer can do a 65 deg drop down a mountain, but will probably break down after

[@brandtwebber5761]

My gramps was a messanger in korea, he loved rc7 he called it, his willys. It would run like 65 and the mps had fords that topped out at 63, so the story goes. He pissed alot of mps off😂. Was a good man.

[@robervin9107]

Absolutely phenomenal job brothers. ❤. 6:46 when kase and tommy enter the room everybody does that sound lol 😂 because they are the iconic duo 18:20 the facetiousness of this scene from you guys is hilarious I saw that look tommy and kase

[@joezephyr]

Suzuki Jimmny. Same external dimensions as the 1941 jeep. I Love my two door Wrangler!

[@Shadow-jm7ob]

I have done everything in a hummer from desert to mudding to rock crawling. You just have to know how to drive em. Can't drive em like a regular off road vehicle. I've not had a problem with em. I love em. True, they could use some mod, but after time, what rig dont

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Air down the tires and the Humvee will go up that sand hill with ease 15:40