So, You Need a Minivan: Is the Chrysler Pacifica or the Toyota Sienna a Better Buy?

[@br23goose]

We have a 2021 Sienna, bought new and now with 36k miles. We are a family of 8 and can confidently says the Sienna is a phenomenal vehicle. Drives comfortably with plenty of room. Not a single issue, defect or problem. We can haul all 8 of us for a week’s vacation no problem and still get 37 mpg. You just can’t beat that.

[@maniac32145]

But but you can't haul couches, like with last gen sienna, because your second row seats are not removable😢 because of batteries

[@ThirdBrainLives]

​@@maniac32145How often are you hauling couches?

[@Tattletale-Delta]

All the time, it's terrible really.@@ThirdBrainLives

[@br23goose]

Agree, can take out the second row. But haven’t had to do that yet and don’t expect to since we have a suburban and trailers. That only reason I would like to take out the second row would be to sleep in the back. But the economy, reliability (so far), and power and performance is pretty good. Put it in sport mode and it will go.

[@johnculotta4586]

i just have a trailer, i drive a 4runner @@Tattletale-Delta

[@keithhepworth4934]

We rented a ‘23 Pacifica to drive from KC to utah and it was supremely comfortable. We were all so impressed and going east on I-80 it even returned 28mpg despite setting the cruise control at 84mph.

[@stephenfiore9960]

…I rented on and it had a great sound system. I ordered a Sienna though because of the gas mileage and the 1500 Watt/120 volt inverter. It’s basically a mini camper. Can regulate heat or air conditioning without the engine running continuously

[@Alex-lj3ky]

Interesting! Can we sleep in it with AC and circulation running at summer night and cold winter night for 10 hours without the engine triggered? Would be great if so. @@stephenfiore9960

[@mikeb1039]

@@stephenfiore9960 except you can't remove the 2nd row seats, so good luck lying down. Maybe not really a mini camper at all.

[@divyanshbhutra5071]

​@@mikeb1039Exactly. I was instantly sold on the Chrysler as soon as I knew what it does to fold it's seats. It's a flat bed for cargo or for camping. If it gets a strong hybrid like the Sienna, the Sienna would make no sense.

[@KodingKuma]

Cruising even at 85 mph is not the real factor on getting bad gas milage. 28 is pretty normal even for other minivans.

[@Danzilly]

I rented a pacifica touring on vacation it got 28 mpg going out west. Air kept us cool and the seats where very comfortable for the family drove 2500 miles.

[@DaveJacobs-f7c]

Yeah over the last two weeks I'm averaging about 26.5 with partial city partial highway in the FWD Pacifica. I replaced a 2004 with it and the MPG difference is huge, but I can still haul all my equipment in it on the weekends. People are still trying to ask over $20K for Siennas with over 100,000 miles on them, sure they're pretty reliable but everybody thinks they're made of freakin' gold in the used market and I'm not paying it.

[@patrickmartin3322]

You don’t have to put the drivers seat forward manually in the Pacifica, there’s a button low down on the B pillar that’ll do it automatically, and then can return it to the position it was in beforehand

[@MrNicholasAaron]

Came here to say this.

[@briangraves1604]

Also you don't have to remove carpet.

[@makomofo]

Yes just push the button

[@moparmuscle278]

He did the stow in go so wrong.

[@patrickmartin3322]

@@briangraves1604 yep that too, I forgot about that

[@vikotto]

For me, it’s all about the stow and go. 8’x4’ Sheetrock fits perfect. The stow and go roof crossbars is genius too.

[@tprice1386]

Pacifica?

[@Takar100]

But do you use your minivan for construction often?

[@atomicdmt8763]

perhaps center seats come out (easily)?

[@bigeyejim]

@@Takar100 LOL. I use my Dodge Grand Caravan all the ttime to haul sheet material. I can get 8' and close tthe door. I have tthe bigger swivel seats, but I can stack material on them, put a couple mud buckets in back, a couple 2x6's and bam, I can haull 10's and 12's. LMAO. can't close the door, but.....

[@Lonewolves31]

We love our 2018 Pacifica. 30 mpg on trips, rides great and we would get another while we have young kids.

[@jasminmilak]

Sienna owner since 2011. 190+K miles with no problems. Fantastic car indeed.

[@mr2cqql]

Lol, mine same year 470+K miles and still running.

[@jasminmilak]

@mr2cqql OMG, that's awesome if it's true?

[@jbountalas]

I own a 2017 Grand Caravan. it has the earlier version of stow-n-go, so not quite as simple to fold all the seats, but still workable. in less than 5 minutes I can turn the van from a 7 passenger vehicle to having an enclosed space that does fit 8 by 4 ft plywood sheets (yep, done it). With the improved interior and stow-n-go, and all wheel drive, I'd go for the Pacifica. I get the need for better fuel economy, but my priorities are utility, comfort, and safer driving on the highway due to having a more responsive drive train. And one more thing, which ever vehicle you buy, you'll be living with it every day for a long time, so you might was well be as comfortable as you can be.

[@atomicdmt8763]

and cheaper parts/repair.. also....most likely

[@axia24]

I can confirm that multiple 4x8 sheets of plywood fit in the Pacifica laying flat. They're tight on the width but they do fit without needing to bend or stack sideways.

[@hynsum]

This measurement should be standard for US minivans. I think Pacifica is only one left that fits 4x8 sheet....?

[@kylen.6742]

I got a Tundra if I want to move plywood or Sheetrock. This van is for moving crotch goblins

[@wilfredvanvalkenburgh2874]

@@kylen.6742 News Flash! You can move people in the Pacifica too! I like how the seat configuration can be adjusted "on the go". That makes the Pacifica feel very "roomy".

[@jeffschwietert9647]

I have owned many Pacifica’s for my business’s, over the last several years. They have been reliable, and perfectly capable. I highly recommend the van.

[@richsweeney1115]

Junk!!!!!!!!! Chrysler was bad enough in the past....now fiat ownes them....garbage... the pentastar motors are known fr problems.....ask anyone who knows about cars...

[@Marys-Channel]

Thanks! I'm in the market. I needed some confirmation. I prefer the size and comfort of the Pacifica. Looks like I might have to live in it. Not the dream I had as a little girl.

[@rafiulrasheen4738]

chryslers have engine and transmission issues

[@88jopar]

Nope. The 3.6l pentastar has had its bugs worked out and it is some of the most reliable v6's on the market. The 9 speed transmission, with the exception of some programming issues, have nothing mechanically wrong. There is one 2017 Pacifica on YT, that has over 500 000 miles on it and it is still running. As long as you maintain these major components well, by changing the fluids and filter way before what the owners manual states, you will have many years of troublefree service.

[@Kingsley-kg9gw]

Is this the same for the hybrid engine?

[@pasta-eo5mt]

I have a 2017 Chrysler Pacifica (first year of production) with 68,000 miles on it. It's headed to the shop this week for a weird vibration in the steering wheel when turning at slow speeds. Transmission occasionally shifts hard. That said, I've used it to haul 4x8 sheets of plywood, a huge gazebo in a box and tons of other stuff... plus people of course. Being able to convert from 7 passenger mode to 'truck' mode in under two minutes is phenomenal. I have to hand it to Toyota for reliability but I'd still buy another Chrysler just for the stow-n-go.

[@cmiles97x38]

If you don't keep them past 80,000 miles, Stellantis is ok. If you keep them for long time or high mileage, hands down Toyota or buy a Stellantis extended warranty. You will use it.

[@rafiulrasheen4738]

transmission issues on a chrysler… typical.

[@wilfredvanvalkenburgh2874]

I rented a '24 ( built September '23 iirc) Chrysler Pacifica non Hybrid and got 31.1 MPG over 1050 miles of mostly Interstate driving. I'm not the most the most spoiled driver when it comes to having the most "up to date" cars, but I really like the Pacifica.

[@DK-ys2cw]

The Sienna’s second row has a seat side airbag that is perfectly positioned regardless where the seat is positioned. They prioritized safety and I can’t fault them for that.

[@tonylourenco4393]

Why not compare the pacifica hybrid against the Sienna hybrid especially if your talking about mpg and other details like the interior space. Completely different vehicles

[@xFactoryUSA]

Yea, you would be doing a highlander non third row hybrid vs Pacifica 😂😂😂

[@xFactoryUSA]

Also, did you notice the struggle to stow and go? You have to put the front seat to the steering wheel 😂

[@USATFJUMPER]

​@timd7445 I have only seen paflcificas as phevs not hev. Also they do hold 3 rows l. I beleive the reasoning is more on greater range woth the phev can be minimulated to to constant charge. The phev model dosnt allow to store seats in flooring like the ICE pacifica

[@deadmorozas]

I think the intention here is to compare minivans with 4x4 ability, PHEV doesn't have it, but it's with 3rd row

[@davidhypes5228]

@@timd7445 Apparently you aren’t very familiar with minivans since they all can seat 7 or 8 passengers. I have a 2023 Pacifica Hybrid and it does have three rows and seats 7 people. There is no difference in space between it and the non hybrid Pacifica. The only difference is that the middle row captains chairs don’t fold into the floor on the hybrid, but they can be removed, so the total cargo space is the same on both vans.

[@trudgyhd]

Much easier and quicker to just hit the button on the pillar to make the driver seat go forward and then push again to bring it back to same spot.

[@amiocasio2660]

That’s what I was thinking. He didn’t utilize one of the best features! I don’t know of any other van that does that.

[@danielhizer1228]

came straight here for this comment, i have the 2017 and it has this feature, then i thought did fiat take it away, but if u pause at 6:09 u can see the button on the passenger side. but im really here b/c mine is at 95k and falling apart, def looking at sienna or odyssey

[@Redhawk24]

Why don’t car reviewers care about reliability? Oh they don’t have to drive the car for 10 years like the rest of us.

[@leechungwai]

And that's why the sienna will be my choice.

[@nothanks960]

They can’t test reliability. Assuming past performance will indicate the future can be risky and should be left to the consumer.

[@KAYTORAMA]

Yup. Sienna 100%. The Chrysler might be a bit more cushy and premium inside but that does you no good when it’s on the side of the road broke down.

[@Opie-bi8re]

Out of touch. Everyone that has enough lil humans in their family that needs a minivan knows reliably is #1. We currently have an Odyssey. Looking to trade in 2024 or 2025 for a Toyota.

[@MotoroidARFC]

Thanks. Now I know not to bother with the rest of this video.

[@weekenderfam7965]

I have a Sienna and rented the Pacifica hybrid couple weeks ago in a trip. I’d say the Pacifica rides and drives better than the Sienna, the seats just way more comfortable. The down sides are gas mileage not as good, and the steering wheel just on the thick side and not too comfortable holding on for a long time. Also it couldn’t hold as much stuffs as the Sienna with the 3rd row up, in terms of couple large and medium suitcases.

[@jonathandemont3758]

We picked up a 2023 Pacifica PHEV this year. We love it. Our last tank calculated out to 63 mpg. Yes, we have a level 2 charger installed but the power bill increase is negligible.

[@deadmorozas]

It depends on your trip pattern, if you driving less than 20-25 mil between charging - yes, you can achieve this, but for me using it since 2019 it's almost not possible. My commute to work is 19 miles and i am charging home and at work, so it's very rare i get more than 800 miles on tank. It changes drastically if you drive more than that or long trip, but still ok because it's a hybrid. And very big disadvantage for us is it's not 4x4. Moreover it's not reliable. Heater failed after 2 month once we bought it, and recently i got an engine failure which was covered by one of the recent recall. was in shop for 2+ weeks. I have 46k on it and consider to change to Sienna just because of 4x4. But still thinking.....

[@jonathandemont3758]

@@deadmorozas oh, I agree. All depends on driving. Ours is mostly in our small community and running errands. Very little highway driving. It works for us and we are happy about that.

[@JR-yt5dq]

Phev is over $50k. The sienna hybrid for under $40k is a better buy.

[@rafiulrasheen4738]

@@deadmorozassienna owner here, you will not regret switching to one, i have a 21’ xle awd with 52k miles and have never had a single issue. can’t say the same about the american cars i’ve owned. test drive and see how you like it, you owe it to yourself.

[@deadmorozas]

@@rafiulrasheen4738 Thank you for the feedback! Will try it definitely!

[@yunussanni2528]

For people who want to live in a van, the idea of the Chrysler to make the whole back seat flat is very convenient.

[@cap6859]

There’s a button to the left pillar in the Chrysler that will push the driver seat forward all the way. And then you push it again to bring back

[@danschreibs]

We have a 2020 Pacifica Touring L and it has surprisingly been super reliable, not a single issue. Went with a lease so I could return it before the warranty is up, but now thinking about just buying it since the buyout is so cheap. Highly recommend.

[@Paravantos]

I worked for JD power and KBB. Be careful because the reliability issues start at 60 k miles when the Toyota just being broken in. Everything, electronics, cooling system, transmission, engine problems galore before 110 k miles. Toyota has those above 200 k miles and rarely under 300k miles. Millions of reports and service feedback do not lie to the last 25 years +. Than the Big thing is VALUE retention. Because the Chrysler is deemed unreliable by all lists, looses value in 4 years of 46-52% versus the Toyota 28-34%. There is the money… u do the math!

[@Trammael]

@@Paravantos Thanks. My neighbors in my condo have a Jeep, it was the only car they thought was a good deal during the pandemic related shortages. That Stellantis is the only automaker who basically dropped prices even as the rest of the industry shortages continued to tell us something.

[@danschreibs]

@@Paravantos yeah, that’s what my brain is telling me to do. Turn it in at the end of the lease before the trouble starts. The super cheap lease buyout is the only thing making me wonder if I can get a better car for that price.

[@acordia91]

@@Paravantos I did the math- bought a 2017 Chrysler Pacifica Limited for $18K with low miles. This vehicle costs a bit over $60K with taxes & fees. Approx. $40K in value reduction made this an economical buy since I probably cannot lose $40K in value any more? (I'll always get $1500,- even as recyclable metals etc if needed=never worthless). Toyotas are good vehicles, it is just your math- waiting time for Siennas is currently 8-10 months and Dealers are charging $10.000,- over the MSRP, since they have nothing to sell. Meaning, you may want to fine tune your numbers to reflect real-life percentages........ I've owned three Town & Countries- all rock solid with no issues, and now 2017 Pacifica, no issues at all.

[@Bob-fk8vd]

I own a 2015 Dodge Grand Caravan. 8 trouble free years and it’s been my favorite vehicle I have ever owned. I previously owned a Toyota 1991 Corolla, 1994 Camry and 1998 Avalon. I kept my Avalon for 18 years. All my Toyota’s had more issues than my Dodge. I make sure to keep up the maintenance on all my vehicles.

[@carlosdonestevez7532]

You should do a 4-way comparison between the Odyssey, Sienna, Pacifica, and Kia vans.

[@DougHerr-ms5pj]

29 MPG with a 2020 AWD Pacifica on a 6000 mile road trip with a Yakima Skybox 16 on top. Very comfortable & practical, love the 2nd row stow & go seats.

[@misterllemos]

Rented a ‘23 Sienna for a family drive from Augusta, GA to Disney, FL. Van packed to the brim. Drove like a dream. Efficient and fast. Crazy spacious. 10/10 would recommend.

[@jnmaher1967]

Love that Nathan is the minivan expert at TFL

[@ATLOffroad]

I rented a Chrysler Pacifica recently and loved it. Quiet, comfortable, lots of room for the kids…overall both my wife and I liked it. We have a perfectly paid off Mazda CX-9 but in the future when we are ready for a new car we will probably shop the minivan options.

[@rnparimore09]

How's the van holding up 6. Months later??

[@RKarmaKill]

Pinnacle AWD has a hidden toggle for on-demand AWD: windshield wiper control. When wipers are turned on, the AWD system will also activates Fun tip

[@cmeller55]

We got a sienna this year and have been racking miles on it for travel soccer. It’s beyond meeting our expectations based on fuel economy and comfort. The hitch is a bit how but we bought an adaptor that raises it up for our 2 inch bike rack and it works wonders.

[@louamato6332]

What adapter did you buy? I have this issue as well.

[@cmeller55]

@@louamato6332 I don’t recall. But it’s a 1.25 to a 2 inch that raises up about 4 inches or so.

[@slscamg]

At least in my area Toyotas are at msrp or still being sold at a markup. However, Chrysler is back to heavy discounts. You would have to keep your car many hundreds of thousands of miles to make up for the higher purchase price in fuel savings. Since most people are trading in cars every 3-5 years, the savings isn’t there and both will be reliable for 10yrs /100k miles without issue.

[@tosseddwarf]

Math isn't favorable for the Pacifica in basically any scenario, and the difference becomes even greater when you compare overall budget vs reliability/safety (risk) Pacifica MPG: 19 City, 28 Highway, 23 Average Sienna MPG: 36/36/36 Average miles driven per year in USA: 15,000 Pacifica Yearly Average Fuel Cost (City) 15,000 miles ÷19 MPG = 789 gallons a year --------------- 789 gallons × $3.85 average cost of 1 gallon of unleaded = $3039 in fuel per year VS Sienna Yearly Average Fuel Cost (City) 15,000 miles ÷36 MPG = 417 gallons a year --------------- 417 gallons × $3.85 average cost of 1 gallon of unleaded = $1605 in fuel per year Fuel Value Comparison $3039 - $1605 = $1434 fuel savings per year in the Sienna $7,170 over 5 years, Pacifica warranty is expired at 5 year/60k miles (or 4 years at 15k miles yearly) Toyota Hybrid Battery warranty is 10 years/150k miles (10 years at 15k miles yearly) If you're mostly driving in the city with lots of stops, that's $14,340 in fuel savings in the Sienna over 10 years with 2.5x more warranty and statistically proven reliability on average over the Pacifica (anecdotes unwelcome) Highway-driving-only number of 28 MPG on the Pacifica makes the difference $450/year vs the 36 MPG, $2,250 over 5 years, $4500 over a decade OVERALL AVERAGE at 23 MPG is a difference $900/year, or $9k more in gas over 10 years Fuel range on the Pacifica is 323/425 vs 648 on the Sienna Pacifica = lower cost, less warranty, statistically higher likelihood to need warranty, more stops, higher fuel bill Time in the shop even under warranty = unknown time expense = unknown $ Pacifica overall safety rating from the IIHS: "Good" Sienna overall safety rating: Top Safety Pick+ The Pacifica makes sense if you never have an issue or an accident and drive highway only. Basically it requires a perfect roll of the dice. We haven't even started on trade in/resale value, whether it's 3 years, 5 years, or 10+ 😵‍💫

[@acordia91]

@@tosseddwarf I have 2017 Pacifica Limited- I get 30-32mpg on a highway. The 19/28mpg is an average consumption, people have very different driving style/habits.

[@petegalindez9961]

I had the Pacifica and carried 4x8 sheets of plywood no problem…there are even two little knobs that stick out in the rear area for them to sit on so you can easily get your hands under the plywood.

[@valeriekennedy6373]

I have a 2017 Pacifica Limited. Has everything, you name it it has it. I so love this van. No problems with it at all. Gets 30mpg when we go on trips. Would buy another.

[@tedlulis973]

Traded a Sienna for a Pacifica about 50,000 miles ago and couldn't be happier. The fit and finish is leaps and bounds in the Chrysler. So much quieter and smoother it's clearly out of Toyotas league. And with Chryslers Reliability and Dependability for the past 15 years it's a No Brainer.

[@ShaunMMX]

A close friend of mine has a '22 Pacifica and she loves it, very comfortable and a very nice ride and so far its been pretty reliable. These are actually pretty decent minivans.

[@davidcarroll8735]

I rented a Sienna, and it was a dog on power and noisy. I bought the 2021 PHEV last year and took the $7500 federal rebate and 20,000 miles later still love it!

[@ernielaw]

The PHEV a variant of the Mitsubishi Outlander.

[@roolyfe]

These are the two best mini vans! Thanks for the video

[@smmamiri]

We have a 2023 pacifica Hybrid Pinnacle, it is absolutely gorgeous, we drove almost 12 k with most of it on fully electric( almost 10k), so comfy and roomy, lots of features and so quite to drive.

[@anthonyosinski6315]

how much did you pay out the door if you dont mind me asking....i am in the market

[@smmamiri]

@@anthonyosinski6315 so first of all they gave me 2023 model with 2022 price because I paid a deposit back in April 2022 and they delivered the car on March 2023 so basically I saved $9,000 because they increased the price for 2023 model. my Bill of sale is $73,000 with $5000 government rebate comes to $68,000 Canadian dollar. I went to test drive with Kia carnival and Toyota sienna before I put a deposit for Pacifica and trust me it is far better than Kia carnival or Toyota Sienna.

[@fredrick211]

On the B pillar (lower section) there is a button to adjust the front seat(s) to use the stow and go feature

[@Suction_]

I tried to get a Sienna. Dealer 1 was 6-8 month wait, Dealer 2 was 7-9 month wait, Dealer 3 was 8-12 week but with a $5k dealer markup. No guarentee with any of them to get the spec/trim I wanted. AWD ones were even longer. Pacifica's seat layout with stow-n-go is vastly superior. I've had well over a dozen Pacifica's for rentals. They take abuse well clearly and really are put together extremely nicely for a chrysler product. Trans is the weak point as the zf9 isn't the smoothest. But these 2 are like the best ones to get. Honda has been hit or miss recently with their infotainment, v6 oil consumption and the 10 speed being hit or miss. Kia, well let's just say they're HOT ticket vehicles.

[@dtay8913]

Haven't had any issues out of my 05 magnum I've owned new since 04 so reliability is of no concern to me. That being said I like the Pacifica more between the two.

[@benchmark3332]

Magnum have 20,000 miles and is garage kept I know

[@occckid123]

Every magnun I know is best to shit from 2005 and many many issues.

[@trevorhart5576]

I have actually owned both. I would buy the Sienna over the Pacific for a few reasons. 1) Fuel economy, especially in city driving will save you alot of money each month compared to the non-plug in Pacifica. 2) Reliability, no issues with the Sienna, we had to take the Pacifica to the dealer alot for issues and the radio touch screen literally went out on the way to trade it in to get a new Sienna. 3) Resale, the Sienna will bring a lot more money than the Pacifica when you go to sale it or tade it in.

[@sushi-love]

That being said, when buying used, young minivan, Pacifica can be a good choice as they depreciate quicker. At same level of age mileage, sienna far better, including brand new.

[@jasonmurdoch9936]

Agree 100%

[@Akadjjay]

You are forgetting the biggest reason people will and should buy the Toyota "reliability " . We now have 210,000 miles on our 2011 Sienna and have done brakes , tires and replaced the doors cables a few times. We had a 2022 Pacifica as Rental this past winter and none of the power outlets worked , the blind spot monitoring system was broken and the biggest issue was that at 60k m8les.the transmission was slipping. No now way would I buy a Pacifica because it looks a little sportier.

[@Akadjjay]

@jebushypocristos Huh?

[@galgalore]

Rented the 2022. Pacifica with 46k miles. It broke down with us in Florida heat after hours and hours of trying to get it to start. We end up getting up Toyota sienna. No problems whatsoever

[@doobyboy21]

We had a 2013 Dodge Grand Caravan bought in 2015 at used car lot. I loved that van because of the stow and go and it was super comfortable ! Then around 5 years later, (family got bigger) we bought a used 2018 Toyota Sienna AWD with 7 seats. I converted it to an 8 seater and we love it also ! Especially in the winter time ! The Grand Caravan would take ages to take off but not with the Sienna ! And the Sienna has all the luxeries the Dodge Grand Caravan didnt have ! I still love it today ! We can have our 6 kids in the back and go on a trip and this van does a great job ! We added a Thule storage box on the roof !

[@michaelrugarber3785]

I have a 21 hybrid Pacifica pinnacle and it is the biggest POS I have ever owned. Fantastically engineered put together with the cheapest parts off the shelf.

[@mikefoehr235]

How bad is it? I know the feeling of owning a POS....I have had first hand experience.

[@michaelrugarber3785]

@@mikefoehr235 hood rust, font suspension problems, rear taillight led element out, blown speakers, hvac actuators, hybrid system errors. Off the top of my head that's what I can remember. The front suspension noise is back BTW. Only 49k miles

[@mikefoehr235]

@@michaelrugarber3785 Sounds like a nightmare. Maybe this will make you feel better. My wife and I had a 97 Taurus...it needed a second engine and was on its way tona 3rd transmission. It also had many many other issues. I think it was towed at least 10 times or more. Now, owning 4th Toyota, only our 04 Corolla was towed once when the fuel pump failed. After that, never had another towed at all. My 13 Tacoma and my 20 Tundra are near dead reliable. My wife's RAV finally needed a new condenser for the AC last year. So, for reliabilty and recalls, Toyota is hands down the best. I have given up on GM....FORD...and Hyundai. Toyota beats them to hell.

[@michaelrugarber3785]

@@mikefoehr235 yeah I am done with domestics. My 88 Land Cruiser always works

[@mikefoehr235]

@@michaelrugarber3785 Our 04 Corolla had 360 000 kms on the odometer when i traded for my wife's 16 RAV 4. Only vehicle i have owned to go that far. It was still going perfectly well at trade in. My 13 Tacoma was at 170 000 kms and i traded for 20 Tundra for more towing power. I have met many people with Toyotas that have reached 400 000 to 500 000 kms with very few issues.

[@AKJeeper]

This is one category where I would actually pick the Chrysler over a Toyota if I had to buy with my own money. The ability to put 4x8 sheets in the back means a lot to me - I basically wouldn't have to use my pickup for runs to the lumberyard or hardware store. I could practically get rid of my truck as the minivan would handle the majority of reasons I even have a pickup. The Pacificas have been pretty reliable in my experience. The driving dynamics and the creature comforts seal the deal for me.

[@wrench8149]

I’m in this same line of thinking. A Pacifica would do 99% of the things I do with a truck.

[@occckid123]

That's true but unless you're carrying serious every week then I don't see why you would want to carry building materials in a 50k dollar vehicle scratching up the inside. Get a used 21 with an extended warranty.

[@wrench8149]

Oh yeah to be clear I’d never buy one new. Lol I don’t think they’re worth all that.

[@vikotto]

I have literally moved over fifty sheets of drywall over the years in my Chrysler.

[@KentTeffeteller]

Sienna is superior. Where it matters. Pacifica I have anxiety about durability, as mine is a wheelchair vehicle. With adaptive equipment. And Stellantis needs to up the reliability and durability to gain my trust. I need it to last 400K

[@Trapper4265]

I drove the Chrysler as a rental, and it was comfortable and zippy! However, history has proven that it is an inferior product. Keep both vehicles for 10 or 15 years with 200+ miles, and then you will know which vehicle is the most logical choice.

[@bikingD]

Will say my Dodge Charger I have is 100 times more reliable than my Toyota RAV4.

[@tranmi2]

180000+ on my 2017 Pacifica and no problem.

[@brendanfraser9191]

One thing Chrysler has always done right is their minivans

[@tinleo3339]

Your rav4 have to be older or never have maintenance @@bikingD

[@Parker53151]

The answer is Odyssey.

[@JaydenMania]

Actually, close to the floor on the chrystler the lottle button actually moves the seats forward automatically and returns it to the previous position as well

[@theredscourge]

If you live in Canada and want a Hybrid Sienna, you'd better put in an order now if you want to pick it up in about 4 years.

[@mikeb1039]

i rented a Voyager (commercial van) for a week and I was impressed by the driving and it got an honest 25mpg in mixed driving. Lots of owners report upper 20's and even 30mpg highway if you keep the speed reasonable. Stow and Go seats are less padded than normal seats to fit while folded. Less comfortable if you're going to be using them all the time. We wanted to buy the Toyota for the mpg but dealers haven't had them on the lot in 2+ years and want 5-10k over sticker to reserve one.

[@MeliorIlle]

There is a button on the Pacifica on the lower part of the B pillar that automatically moves the seats forward for stow n go

[@hereigoagain5050]

Wish I had kids again to justify buying a minivan :). Loved our Honda Odyssey. It had a flat floor after removing the captain chairs and was 4' across inside. Why no flat floors Sienna? Too difficult to design?

[@jonclassical2024]

You for sure called all the right reasons I would buy the Pacifica, I've owned a 4 runner and thought it was a boring, not fun to drive utilitarian vehicle.. was loud and uncomfortable. I don't keep anything more than about 6 years......love my 2017 Dodge Durango R/T.....not one issue at 93,000 miles and love the Hemi V-8...hard to see what's next at the prices and interest rates....might keep this for another 6 years!

[@EagleArrow]

We still drive our 2004 Durango. It is still like new. We just got her repainted. We have cars we drive, but we keep the Durango around for hardware store runs We use it for tail gating, camping, fishing. Very comfortable vehicle. We love it. Not the best on gas though.

[@rayleung7668]

I was in the market for a mini van since Dec'22 and compared all 4 makes. My preferred choice order is Sienna, Carnival, Odyssey and Pacifica. The biggest pros of Sienna are excellent fuel economy and reliability. If I can't find one because of the markup, I will pick Carnival because it has the best value and longest warranty. But I finally bought a Sienna last month.

[@def1ghi]

Dude, we have a 2021 Sienna and sure, the second row doesn't come out, but it slides BACK to give you ultra-limo space in the second row. Two kids, long car trip, everyone happy. I have hardly EVER wanted to get the whole back for cargo but we OFTEN take long road trip. I'd trade the MPG and second row slide every day.

[@noisufnoc]

Regarding stow and go, there's a button on the b pillar that moves the front seats up and out of the way to stow the second row. Rather than holding the seat adjustment button like you demonstrated

[@afoolishman12]

The fact that the Sienne is a nightmare if you have a hitch mounted bike rack rules it out for me. I was almost willing to overlook the fact that the second row can't be removed and then I saw the reviews talking about bike racks... It really feels like Toyota forgot minivans are supposed to be practical.

[@gregkocher5352]

Not being able to remove middle row kills the deal for me.

[@occckid123]

​@@gregkocher5352you could. Just takes longer. I use my sienna as a cargo van and never needed more space.

[@calbob750]

Based on what I’m seeing on the Pacifica Forum it might be smart to buy the maximum warranty available from Stellantis.

[@christamez734]

Just bought a 23 Pacifica Touring L in S trim. I tell folks I own a hatchback XL. Exterior looks and stow n go sold me. No turbo and a standard ZF tranny were also selling points. I was looking at a mid size truck to pull our pop up but the Pacifica can do it better and gets better mileage doing it. Throw in huge lockable and weatherproof storage. Will reliability be an issue? We shall see.

[@abysstime1852]

On the Pacifica There is a little button behind the front seats that automatically move them up for stowing the second seats. You don’t have to use the buttons on the side of the seat through the front doors.

[@ttran1075]

If you have to wait 2-3 months to get a sienna, that in itself loudly speaking "I am the better one or the best". Once in a blue you may need to haul some 4×8, you could just let them stick out and tie down the door, a slight inconvenience if that even come to play.

[@viktorandy6080]

Have my Pacifica Hybrid 2021. 45k miles. Amazing car. 32 MPG.

[@user-iz3gv5vo6b]

If the company is paying for everything, then I'd lease a Pacifica. If I'm buying one outright, then Sienna for sure.

[@fvi1210]

I own a Town and Country with 140K on the odometer. It has had one problem after another. I got a Sienna this time, and so far, it has been good spatially, with a mileage of 40mpg.

[@ronward1229]

I'm a Toyota/Honda guy, but the removable 2nd row is a deal-breaker for us. We switch from cargo to people and back all the time. Our 04 Sienna could do it in about a minute; our current 15 Odyssey can do it even quicker.

[@greenne]

The non removable(and non foldable) second row seats in the Sienna is a deal breaker for me. It should be noted that in the Pacifica phev the second row seats don't have stow n go..but they can be easily removed. The non-removable 2nd row is the Sienna is a huge miss by Toyota...

[@angelas4681]

I agree 100%!

[@occckid123]

Technically it folds against the back front seats but if you get the hybrid it doesn't fold anymore.

[@louamato6332]

I own that same Sienna and rented for two weeks the Pacifica and your review is spot on as well as your conclusion. Actually I was surprised (pleasantly) that I got as much as 24mpg with the Pacifica. My 2006 Sienna has a V6 and returns only 16mpg no matter how gingerly you accelerate. I'd like more info on the differences between the AWD systems. I know the Sienna has electric motors (hybrid engine) and that means it's mostly FWD unless cornering or weather determines AWD is required. It's not full time AWD. By the way, those electric motors on the Toyota are why it starts with more perceived torgue over the Pacifica. Basically, if the Pacifica made a break-regenative Hybrid for this van I'd buy it hands down. Worth mentioning - as of 2021 the Toyota still does not have wireless Apple car play and Android Auto, automatic-variable speed wipers and preset seat function. Pacifica has this in the current model I am renting! One of you guys - wake up! Again , thanks for the spot on review!

[@joegibbs2508]

I have a 2020 PHEV Pacifica and have been very happy with it. It does work like a brake-regenerative Hybrid when the battery is empty. So on vacations it averages about 30mpg and gets about 500 miles per tank full. However, around town as our daily driver it is an EV for the first 31 miles, which is more than we usually drive per day. regenerative braking is awesome!

[@dmitriyk.7461]

Love the Pacifica it's going to be our next family mini van after Sienna 2008. I have Pacifica rental one right now and Love it.

[@adambaddass]

In my 2018 Pacifica, I get 26-28 going 70 miles per hour. The best I got driving 60 miles per hour was 32 mpg.

[@dragonphire821]

Yeah I just really want to take my daughter to college and I don't know how he got such low highway mileage. I have a 26.8 over 1100, mi.

[@occckid123]

I the sienna I get almost 50mpg at 60mph. I've done usually from brewster ny to mot venon ny get 50mpg pretty easily at 60mph. Overall my highest full tank is over 45mpg and I'm usually averaging 40mpg.

[@NeighborTom]

2018 Pacifica. Only issue I’ve had is the driver sliding door ghost and replaced auxiliary battery.

[@tommywong3147]

Have a 2017 pacifica l plus . So far so good. Drives very well

[@hesseldijkstra5327]

Me too 62000. MLS without any problems.

[@roykoshy6896]

From my experience, Pacifica is the one that i would trust when the road conditions are harsh with deep freeze, deep snow, high mountain ranges, etc. I traveled 50K miles per year on average driving between Chicago and Kansas for the past 6 years with my Chrysler T&C minivan. When the going gets tougher for other vehicles, my Chrysler T&C, or my Dodge Grand Caravan, always ran exceptionally well.

[@RellupNorth]

Had a pacifica as a rental while the Sienna was being worked on. Pacifica is a better vehicle in most areas except for safety. Heres the thing, theres something about the Sienna I just like. It feels a little better screwed together. Id buy the Pacifica if I had another go though. It’s much more useful

[@sharonthehuman5954]

That's likely b/c the Sienna has better long term reliability which the repair statistics prove, just like the Toyota and Lexus brand in general have overall better reliability.

[@RellupNorth]

@@sharonthehuman5954 my family has had the Grand Caravan/ Town and Country for generations. The are also extremely dependable and had the dog snot beat out of them

[@RellupNorth]

I know this to be true. Someone in the family had always had one of the Chrysler vans growing up. They literally got beat to crap and started up every time

[@bowtieman89]

I feel like this could have been made a better comparison. You have a luxury Chrysler that isn't a hybrid against a midtrim Toyota that is a hybrid. You could at least try to make it a truly even comparison as far as trim and drivetrain go.

[@goodmeasure777]

That's what I noticed also. That and the super cool music when presenting the Pacifica, and..crickets when speaking of the Sienna lol.

[@cappuccino-1721]

The middle row stow and go is even easier than described! You don’t have to lift the carpet, and there is a button that pushes the seat all the way forward.

[@KentTeffeteller]

Reliability beats being on the back of the rollback. Chrysler= Stellantis.= abysmal reliability.

[@DoingthingswithDAN]

Im pretty sure someone mentioned it... But there is a button you can press from the second row to automatically send the drivers seat forward. Its on the b pillar

[@alanbaugh9211]

Pacifica. I bought it in 2017. Still love it.

[@cflynn9222]

I've rented both and put on 10s of thousands of miles on them. For moving people I like the the Sienna, for moving cargo the Pacifica. If I were buying one it would be the Toyota. I like the comfort and driving experience better. I'd bet the resale and reliability will be better with the Sienna too.

[@unclechico2849]

I bought my 2023 the Pacifica just because of the 6 cylinder engine and the amazing comfort and luxury inside the van. 😅

[@ninapearlmutter881]

In my 78 years, I have had Japanese, German, Swedish, and Jeep, Chrysler, Dodge cars. Don't want another Japanese car, they skimp in many places and are uncomfortable. Absolutely loved my SAAB convertible and the way it drove, but repairs were expensive. Rabbit, Sirocco drove well but uncomfortable. Sirocco was the best car ever in the snow, was one of three cars on the road plowing through a Kansas blizzard to get a stranded friend and snow drifts up to the top of the grill. Amazing car. Dodge minivan and Durango were great. Finally traded the Durango at 200,000 miles with no problems except for a new fuel pump somewhere around 100,000. Jeep Grand Cherokee was also reliable for 100,000 miles at which point (2019) we decided to try the Pacifica Hybrid. LOVE this minivan. Cost of electricity to charge is miniscule and in the first 6 months saved over $200 in gas. Even though we are retired and didn't have many miles on the 2019 Pacifica, we just traded in for a new Pacifica 2023 hybrid. Why? Because with the 2023 discount, the $7500 credit, and the high trade in value of our 2019, it cost us less than $20,,000 overall, taxes and everything. I don't expect those deals to last. So we have another Pacifica hybrid with all the stow capability, safety features and comfort. And, my husband with his long legs, can get in and out easily, something he couldn't do with other brands, like Toyota. And, just for information, we used to live next to a detailer who fixed up car interiors for dealers. He told us that Chrysler/Dodge interiors were much higher quality than any other brand and things like the upholstery stood the test of time better. My two cents.

[@peterresko9667]

There is a bottom to lean forward the front seats in the Pacifica. You don't have to use the buttons on the seats.

[@jordanmalibiran8540]

It’s crazy how car reviewers don’t completely study everything about the car before they review it. Especially about the features that you’re highlighting and then complain about. It compromises your credibility as a journalist.

[@jithinfrancis82]

Buy a Chrysler in the midwest and 5 winters later kids will falling out of holes on the floor. A channel like TFL should consider long term reliability rather than just sponsorship!

[@rgbigdog]

Toyota should had made the second row seats, easily removable.

[@rowerwet]

My mother has the hybrid siena, i have a 2016 grand caravan. I have never stowed the second row seats because the space underneath that they should fit in is our trunk, and is full of tools, straps, tire pump, etc. I would only buy a hybrid for any large family hauler I might buy in the future. My parent's actually bought their Siena for their annual snowbird migration to Florida, as a minivan can swallow way more than you can imagine. Fully loaded they saw 35 mpg on the interstate. I would love to see the Chrysler hybrid compared to the sienna hybrid, otherwise it's Apples and oranges

[@KodingKuma]

Pretty unbiased, but I would consider the reliability factor also.

[@DerrickHarbour-q8z]

On Pacifica you missed the button that will move the front seat up and out of the way for you for stow and go and then push it again and it moves seat back to previous setting. You do not have to hold front seat adjusters.

[@SeanMortimer-wi8hh]

The Chrysler Pacifica hybrid is the one i pick i can imagine how sick the interior look in the hybird.

[@nightninja8128]

Lol that cell phone wallpaper at 8:32. Never change, Nathan!

[@thedude7937]

Tbh which one is more reliable. The Toyota is most likely the better choice because it will last five years

[@tranmi2]

Nathan, you don't have remove the floormats to fold down the seat.

[@JohnSeitz]

The eCVT for normal use- is not that loud. Yet will outlast the van as a whole.

[@deatbird]

I have the Pacifica and your won't change my mind! I get very mileage than the one you reviewed. I have the 2018 touring L plus. I get 31 miles per gallon highway and about 28 in town.

[@SpotlightMtka]

That's exactly it. No one is going to argue the Toyota is more reliable but it's more basic. The Chrysler is overall more functional and luxurious.

[@RodVonLongrod]

If dependability and longevity are the criteria the Sienna wins hands down.

[@bikingD]

My Dodge Charger has been a 100 times more reliable than my RAV4 no comparison in reliability.

[@Welcometofacsistube]

Shhhh you wouldn't want to upset the Toyota fanbois

[@benchmark3332]

And resale value and fuel economy

[@RodVonLongrod]

@@benchmark3332 Those things don't matter to people who buy Chryslers.

[@bikingD]

@@RodVonLongrod Really my Charger was $52,000 cdn in 2018 the wholesale Kelly Blue book value is $47,000 and change. Guess I didn't do too bad on the resale value Eh?

[@michaelfuchs6730]

We picked the Kia Carnival

[@herdfan697278]

We get 30+ mpg on our 2022 Pacifica. We have gotten up to 33 mpg.😊

[@AJ-rg3pr]

I would take the Sienna any day

[@mattlimberg5763]

Sienna all the way. I drove a 200 with the 9sp and Pentastar, terrible. It felt like it was working really hard for not much throttle input, liked to Rev and was thirsty. What is the point of a 9sp if it only wants to use the first 5? Yeah, highway it might get into the taller gears, but it should have cruised better. Uconnect is intuitive but the safety tech was too intrusive. I haven't driven a Pacifica, but if it is anything like the 200, the driveablity kills it for me.

[@victorsalamaka7311]

You should do a comparison b/w the plugin hybrid Pacifica and Sienna. Compare Apples to Apples.

[@occckid123]

Awd to awd???

[@victorsalamaka7311]

@@occckid123 one hybrid other gas. Get their hybrid awd to compare.

[@joeblack1052]

One sees large houses with 4 vehicles outside , large Suv, full size pickup and a hybrid sienna or more often a tesla( to save gas😅). When was saving gas a priority for them rich folk?