Here is The Best Off-Road Half-Ton Truck! Raptor vs Rebel vs TRD Pro vs Trail Boss vs Pro-4X

[@graphguy]

Another area that needs honest discussion ---- price. you say the Raptor starts at $55,000 USA. NO IT DOESN"T. No where in America can you get an un-optioned RAPTOR. In fact it is the only vehicle that you can't get the crew max version for less than $72,000 and in California EVERY dealer will try to tack on at least $10,000 markup.

[@xlthumper]

That's the dealership screwing you, MSRP should be the max a person can pay plus tax. Sadly you can tack on up to 13% I think in Canada above the price on a lease and whatever you can get from the customer on cash.

[@BullittKid08]

This is regional. Where I live you can find plenty of Raptors at that price and with no increase on the sticker. Never pay sticker or above

[@kickercar]

i got my raptor, which i ordered for 55k out the door, in live in cali the most fdup state.

[@RipReturns]

In all fairness, you can if you do your homework. I bought a loaded 802A (which is a $9K option package) for $63K, meaning a "stripped" Raptor can be had for $54-55K.

[@fntony4967]

LASCO FORD kzbin.info/www/bejne/anjFaIuDeJZpr9E www.lascoford.com/new-inventory/index.htm?search=&normalBodyStyle=&model=F-150&trim=Raptor&saveFacetState=true&lastFacetInteracted=inventory-listing1-facet-anchor-trim-3

[@MrWell-qx5zs]

I looked at the thumbnail of this video and knew the ford raptor would win. It's in a class of it's own.

[@fl_atv_riders4455]

Price of it's own is more like it you can build any of the other trucks to be better than the raptor for the same price and not have a crappie sounding v6

[@R_Tower]

Fl_ATV_ Riders Super Crew Gen2 Raptor can be had for $54k lolll.

[@rememberthefallen1970]

@@R_Tower bull freaking shit. Maybe if you live in 3rd world country lol. Here in America the STOCK raptor is 74k bro. Don't spew that crap just because ur a ford fanboy.

[@born2win259]

@@rememberthefallen1970 truth lol. Maybe he’s talking about one with 70k+ miles

[@billybill7871]

@@born2win259 they literally just announced gen 3 for 53k maybe you’re looking at one with multiple ad ons

[@james1939-s1c]

FX4 vs vs Rebel vs TRD Pro vs Trail Boss vs Pro-4X, not the Raptor. That would be like comparing the Corvette to the Mustang instead of the Camaro.

[@brentvance3958]

James Ryan can’t help it if Ford knows how to build an off road truck. It’s been around for 9 years you would think the other companies would have caught up by now.

[@james1939-s1c]

brent vance I’m not saying it isn’t better, but the other trucks just have an off road package, similar to the FX4 package. The raptor is way beyond a simple package.

[@daltonherring6410]

James Ryan yeah but still a half ton truck. They just said the best off road half ton from each manuy

[@No_nonsense302]

You make a good point James Ryan. And cost would be very similar as well

[@idontcaresapo8233]

brent vance they don’t want to .. have you seen how many raptors have been sold in comparison to the fx4? Not even close .... the raptor is a toy more than a work 4x4 truck to expensive.. it’s amazing yes and the best on its own but is a total different machine for different porpuses the other truck are more useful in a everyday job... like 90% of raptors buyers don’t use it tonite capabilities

[@JPE_DRAEB]

I noticed on the Tundra TFLoffroad didn't mention anything about the rear diff, but it got a score of 10! TFL PLEASE EXPLAIN as Tundra doesn't have a locking rear or front diff!

[@fl_atv_riders4455]

They also give the Raptor 5 points for front diff lock when it doesn't.

[@CoelhoSports]

didn't they explain in the video about E-LSD and all the crap that adds to the score? i don't want to watch it again

[@Chinese_Chicken]

Tundra's electronic limited slip is complete garbage. Reason I installed an ARB rear locker.

[@fl_atv_riders4455]

@@Chinese_Chicken its not a limited slip. The truck basically breaks whatever wheel is slipping and sends power to the wheel with traction from what i understand

[@Chinese_Chicken]

by Toyota it's called electronic limited slip. The truck sends power to the wheel that doesn't have traction, leaving the tire with grip to get the truck going with zero power. This design has left me with a hefty recovery tow bill before when out wheeling.

[@joeport6823]

The tires are more important than your 10% and cameras may make it easier to see whats going on, but they absolutely do not help a vehicle be more offroad worthy.

[@franciscosoto8753]

Yeah, the weighting is all wrong. They don't even take into account suspension. However, I think tires are less important than 10%, only because they'll be the first thing everyone changes.

[@MrNismopro]

I would’ve thrown a little cost into the equation. Because if I buy a trail boss for 50k and toss 20k at it or even the TRD pro and slap ARB lockers and a super charger then it changes things up quite a bit. 75k for a stock off road vehicle is a bit insane. I agree, that the Raptor is a bad ass off road truck, but it’s 20k more than the competition.

[@irishuwould5185]

That trail boss is bad ass. That Titan is pretty awesome too.

[@s13one80]

Love that you only gave the subjective score just 1%. This index is the most objective that I've see in years. 👍

[@z3rof0xgiv3n3]

I love this channel, but I swear sometimes you guys just hurt my head. 1) all of the trucks have 4x4. A center locker is what's on a G Wagon. 2) Since when did the raptor get a front locker?? The Torsen LSD is not a locker. If I come from a Rubicon or ZR2 and go look at or buy the Raptor because your review said this Full Size truck has a Front locker too, I'd be pissed. 3) the Tundra does not have any locker, not even the TRD PRO package. Please correct this.

[@baileymoyer9777]

Z3ROF0XGIV3N hey dumbass for your #2 point listen to the video they clearly say it’s a LSD and can act like a locker

[@vvk]

TFL there are many narrow trails that are simply not accessible by very wide vehicle. I would suggest you add penalty points if width and/or length of the vehicle is above xxx or if you discover issues while testing the vehicles. In other words my suggestion is to have penalty points to balance the score. I think that would make the score more realistic and usable.

[@graphguy]

Totally true.. Rubicon? Raptor can never go.

[@robertrichardson9953]

Then make the trail wider.

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

The break over angle already penalizes long trucks. Are you going to try and say your Gladiator is better off road then a Unimog or an H1 because it is narrower? The scale is near perfect. Don't complain because it doesn't suit your fake news. Most Jeep guys running 35's or larger are wider then my F-150.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

Trailboss right now are selling for 42k with the 5.3 LT2 8sp. Heated seats, heated steering, and trailer package with brake controller. In the Detroit area until June 3rd I think.

[@lokkstarproductions6918]

EGGINFOOLS best buy out of all the trucks. They invested millions for a new frame, body and suspension and didn’t jack up the price like Ram. Usually when you buy a new edition truck line, you are paying premium for the investment the company did.

[@idontshower3450]

That’s because it’s the same piece of junk engine they’ve been using for years. Probably cost them 100$ per engine to make.

[@timfox2344]

What happened to the Ramp Index? Figured that’ll have a good indication of keeping traction on all four corners vs one/two wheels in the air

[@13x]

Agreed, or at least points for solid axles.

[@Flying_Dollar_Motorsports]

Nope. In TFL land, red tow hooks are most important!

[@LTSmash-on3fe]

Looks like the Nissan TITAN is the next buy for me! The Trail Boss looks nice but I’m not confident in the 3.23 rear axle ratio, and the 3.42 is only available with the tow package... the TITAN looks like it’s all in one package, Tow, off-road, and badass V8! Sorry to see the TRD PRO fall short...

[@pryme2013]

Fall short in this high school level kids drawing trucks on their notebook test? In the real world the Tundra scores high in the most important stuff like reliability and resale

[@LTSmash-on3fe]

Mr M yes the Tundra will have a higher resale value but only the “TRD PRO” package will have that value, with that being said, I also love that it has a 4.30 axle ratio and old school feeling (for 2019).

[@pryme2013]

@@LTSmash-on3fe I agree with all that except ALL tundras have better resale than the other brands, and the gap widens more and more as they age with more miles. Ppl trust a tundra with over 200k, no one will even touch a domestic with over 200k unless its selling for pocket change

[@stevenlefebvre2991]

L.T. Smash Plus if you look at the test line by line he did not score the tundra correctly if he did the tundra would’ve come out much higher against the others for instants the tires just for one. The tires say A/T right on them.

[@putmeincoach7663]

@@pryme2013 You're an idiot if you think a Tundra TRD Pro will have better resale than a Ford Raptor. You're talking about school, yet you clearly didn't study or do your homework.

[@ripfletching]

We already know how amazing the Raptor is if you have driven one. In real life I dominated the other trucks I’ve driven. Unless custom built

[@putmeincoach7663]

You gave the Tundra TRD Pro 10 points for differential locks and it doesn't have any??

[@TyTriestoRide]

They said they count a two speed transfer case as a locking center and while talking about the raptor's front diff they said the LSD effectively acts as a mechanical locker so gave points. The TRD pro has an LSD in the back so I assume they counted that.

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

The Torsen front axle in the Ford is a mechanical torque sensitive locking device and will lock when needed. It can transfer anywhere between 0% and 100% of the torque. The Toyota however uses the rear wheels brakes to transfer torque. There is no device. That is an algorithm. This is another good example of a company brand naming something to trick the public.

[@BuiltForDirt]

So the new Jeep Gladiator would score a 95 on this scale. I would change a few things slightly at a minimum. Tire size (33" gets a better score than 32"), mud terrain tire scores better than AT, RTI score or suspension travel, oh and selectable lockers should score a bit higher than auto lockers (limited slip is nice but it's not a locker).

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

TJ Mitchell Films I don't even think the Rubicon version scores nearly as well as the Raptor. You are wrong about the locker thing too. The Torsen Differential works better then an e-locker on a front axle. Wranglers, Gladiators, LC 70 series and G-wagons can't even activate their front lockers in 4WD high! Ford's device works from 0 to over 100 mph + without having to take your hands off the wheel.

[@mikemissouri5152]

I think if a truck has low range transfer and an off road mode selector it should get a few bonus points (Raptor, ZR2)

[@justinslishinsky6551]

Love the Silverado TrailBoss. Has just enough off-road goodness at a great price. Don’t care what people say about the interior, to me, a particular and less distraction. For me, LT, 5.3l V8, crew cab, short bed, color: Cajon red, and my favorite feature: sunroof. The 6.2 and 4.3 V6 are awesome engines in this truck, but for off-roading, the 5.3 is just as powerful and reliable as the two. Great video, TFL.

[@dieselmax2383]

Justin Slishinsky I like the interior’s simplicity

[@SDRacing88]

Im with you on the Trailboss. I have grown to like the truck. I would like to see Chevy bring back the short doublecab with 5'8" bed, same wheel base as the Raptor, and maybe make a Trailboss ZR2!

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

DRT71 too bad they don't make a regular cab 6.5' box either. It seems like they are trying push everyone down to the ZR2.

[@bosse641]

The Titan sure seems to be a good choice. And it looks great.

[@graphguy]

If you are smoking crack

[@ryanmartinage]

Great deals to be had too. Around me, 4x4 S/SV going for ~$30k.

[@dntknwhw]

Titan are best at being good at everything.excludes price and the 160km warranty.

[@tshearn624]

They are good trucks. Best warranty on the market. I have owned one for 4 years and can attest it is a good truck. It is not great at anything but good at everything. Mine is two wheel drive and has managed to get me everywhere I wanted to go when in reality it should have not gotten me there.

[@tacoswelding8411]

Yeah the Titan has the lowest price I think Seems to be a good deal

[@quintili1]

The Raptor doesn't have a front locker, it should receive no points for that limited slip differential.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

Right! He also said it can act like a locker? What? Lol.

[@rogerj412]

I was hoping someone else was going to say this. Thank you.

[@Michael_ryan91]

@@rogerj412 i think trail boss shouldnt get a point for its limited slip type rear g80. Only because they dont always lock when u want just like a screw type limited slip like raptor has in the front.

[@rogerj412]

@@Michael_ryan91 I agree. An LSD isn't the same as a true locker and shouldn't be counted as such.

[@UltraSS-nj8kd]

Well you know Ford fans need some help selling their junk.

[@terrencejones9817]

Trail boss for me. As I bought one. Great truck.

[@dieselmax2383]

Terrence Jones honestly I like it the most too. The raptor is way overrated for me, and the other trucks just don’t cut it for me

[@DadsDomain]

I'd love a TRD Pro BUT if I give my TRD a 2" front lift I have essentially the same truck. Yes the shocks are better and the skid plates are more beefed up but the transfer case, diffs...etc are all the same. Its taken me everywhere I want to go off road without concerns. I'd love to see a comparison of just the basic off road packages to see where the "normal" TRD stacks against the other trucks.

[@lokkstarproductions6918]

Dads Domain The TRD Pro and TRD off road are same 1” lifted height just different suspensions. The TRD sport is not lifted. The Pro comes with very soft Fox suspension and does not do too well in towing. The Off road comes with the Bilstien 5100 shocks. The Pro tries to mimic the Raptor in baja style. The Off road edition is better equip for this comparison.

[@13x]

Any consideration for power / crawl ratio / weight, or is that in the 1%?

[@TFLoffroad]

Crawl ratio depends on axle ratios and these vary based options.

[@franciscosoto8753]

Nope, it's dumb.

[@fl_atv_riders4455]

Need to adjust some things tires should be graded in 3 parts 0 for street 5 for all season 10 for light alltrain 15 for aggressive a/t - mud tire. Remove the points for being a 4x4 if it wasnt it wouldn't be on the offroad segment. The add or subtract 1 point for each inch above or below 33inch tires.

[@javierflip89]

I believe you need to add water wading capability, this is important if you want to cross a river or something else.

[@Pesmog]

Isaac, completely agree, it is very important for some users.

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

The issue would be that most manufacturers don't list a wading depth.

[@joegiordano8202]

Just purchased the 2020 LT Trail Boss yesterday. Dealership is locating one in nautical blue for me and so should have it next week. Pretty excited after watching these videos.

[@RockyTop1911]

I have the 2018 Raptor 802A. 75K+. Glad it did well in your test. I would have felt bad if it had not. LOL

[@BAYAREAMX]

Ouch. I got my 18 802a for $63k

[@RtannerW]

@rockytop1911 really interesting how you felt the need to add price in there. I just ordered a raptor but feel no need to share price...

[@motocat9629]

You should have an F150 with the FX4 package instead of the Raptor

[@musicanoofficial7233]

Butthurt?

[@brentvance3958]

Why? It is the most capable off road vehicle. That’s why Ford built it.

[@lokkstarproductions6918]

brent vance because the FX4 is more comparable in price range duh. If you just want to compare off road capabilities, all these trucks including the Raptor would loose to a off road buggy.

[@seansavage9769]

Can we stop saying you can get a new raptor for 54k...if only that was actually true

[@silverxtaco]

Yup never happen

[@robertrichardson9953]

@@silverxtaco it's happened for me twice this year.

[@robertrichardson9953]

@@silverxtaco it's happened for me twice this year.

[@BAYAREAMX]

Look around and they're out there. Or order one.

[@robertjohnson4784]

Actually they shouldn't even put the Raptor in the mix when the truck cost 15 to 20,000 more than any of the other vehicles and it's basically a special the truck in limited numbers FX4 would have been a better comparison

[@aaron5222]

Wish we could get videos without music its almost impossible for me to focus on numbers while I hear lame dad rock in the background

[@poppyneese1811]

I’d be proud to own any of these machines, best looks RAM, most ability Raptor, most reliable Tundra, biggest bed Silverado, not many on the road Titan, worth 50k+ none, but still all nice rigs!

[@karlo9535]

Titan is cheapest of the bunch too

[@tacoswelding8411]

Hit the nail on the head with this comment

[@smarticus6384]

They should run a proper Baja with jumps and mud and some rock climbing and see how they all hold up. That would be a proper off-road test.

[@TFLoffroad]

We do that all the time. That’s how we created TFL ORI.

[@charlieporch3181]

As usual, you always lean for a Ford. For the price point, a Ford is much higher. I take any TRD pro just for reliability. May not be a beast. But it always runs.

[@ryanmartinage]

Fact is the Raptor has the most offroad goodies. That's what its about.

[@BullittKid08]

You forgot the TRD goes through fuel like a pig

[@heartcomedy5]

KZbin is drunk again. 6 likes, 2 views. Can you please put down your Bud light beer KZbin.

[@Teufels_hunde]

Love the video. I was thinking, what if you took away the percentage system and instead did a point system so you can add more variables, like articulation and suspension travel? just a thought

[@Idahoprepper71]

I know the dodge power wagon is a 3/4 ton. But it is by far the best off road truck you can buy!

[@justin1martell]

I wish Ram would put all the power wagon goodies on the rebal.

[@Idahoprepper71]

I agree. Put all that on the rebel. Then put a diesel in the power wagon.

[@CS-bz9lk]

2019 Ram PW is 95.9. Sold

[@SSYoung125]

Well that's the thing that TFL o r i test its pretty good overall i think you guys put alot of thought into the numbers and did really well but for a consumer you personally also have to calculate of where you're going to use it for example the Ford Raptor thrives heavily and a open terrain you might not want the Ford Raptor on tight weaving trails so the test is good on judging off road equipment and off road capability but the trails are also a factor that you as the buyer have to calculate and only you can do that. For example you would take a sxs on a dirt bike track/trail

[@kidmoua]

And the Tundra will spend less time at the dealer and more time out where it suppose to be, mudding and crawling. And at the end of the day, you can still sell it for more than all the other trucks.

[@devildog83191]

Man that Raptor looks great!

[@mgp-bct7723]

You guys on TFL need to make a video which truck will last longer on miles or hours and with out going in shops & spending on parts & maintenance :) I never heard from you guys:( new one all good but after 1,2,5-10 years or 5,000,25,000,75,000-250,000 miles?? Will go that for ?

[@DRose2Fast]

This is probably the most relevant discussion point that these guys should be focusing on! 👍🏼

[@dontderockmeriz4546]

Price should have a point system. Most of these are ridiculously expensive.

[@tacoswelding8411]

Yeah and in 2023 you can bet it’s even worse now

[@christopherwoodyatt38]

I have a 2020 trailboss custom and I've done off wroting with some rams and 4 runners. I'll tell you what the trail boss is most certainly the most value. Sure the rapture is better but let's get real here. It does not get more easy to maintain than a simple push rod v eight that chevy has always done best

[@fl_atv_riders4455]

Um you need to take 5 points off of the Raptors score it does not have a front diff lock and you have it marked as it does.

[@olered7760]

I traded my 18 lifted PW for the 19 Raptor n iv been w Dodge for 20 years n I have never been as satisfied as i m w the Raptor

[@tacoswelding8411]

Yeah raptors are beasts

[@12B0692]

Price should be a variable. Vehicle model history of reliability/dependability should also be a variable. Thanks for the comparison.

[@BullittKid08]

Pricing varies depending on region. And tfl can only research so much, to find out real world dependability would be quite a lot of work and time.

[@12B0692]

Like this data? www.jdpower.com/cars/ratings/dependability/2019/2019-vehicle-dependability-most-dependable-trucks And this... www.nhtsa.gov/ratings And these guys make $ from what they put on KZbin, so...

[@lukestoyz]

Biggest fault in scoring will be either driver brand bias, lack of knowledge how to use the offroad systems correctly(per vehicle), or driver’s lack of offroad savvy

[@CoelhoSports]

stephen may need to find a raptors cap in a few days. never thought i would ever be talking about toronto winning an NBA title.

[@bretz71]

They forgot to list their secret special Ford = 20% subjective scoring item.

[@jornelindberg5127]

bretz71 you think one of these other trucks is better than the raptor?

[@bretz71]

I think the Raptor is a whole other class of truck, made for racing across the desert. In real life, it’s extra-wide body makes it useless for most trails. TFL always includes it for an automatic win for Ford. Substitute in a regular F-150 FX4 that directly competes with these other trucks, and it would not place first, it would be closer to last. And the “Trailboss” is nothing more than a Z71 with a slight lift, so ranking it 2nd is a joke.

[@jornelindberg5127]

bretz71 they comparing each manufacturer most off-road ready truck they build and fords is the raptor and yea they gotta screwed up scoring system

[@dochollywood1921]

Jorne Lindberg seriously. If they wanted the most off-road worth truck of each manufacturer, they’d also have the power wagon in the mix. But since they were only looking at half tons, they ignored it

[@4LOWeRUNNER]

The ORI needs tuned a little. Ground clearance, angles, etc shouldn't be all points or no points. It should be something like 2 points for every 2 inches of ground clearance or 1 point for every 5 degrees of angle. This ORI can be done much better with a little bit of effort.

[@13x]

The LTX A/T2 don't count as AT tires?

[@ryanmartinage]

I had them on my JLU Sport... If AT means gravel road and road... well then.. yes.

[@stevenlefebvre2991]

atpage1 They are totally biased against the Toyota if you go through it line for line they missed a few things on the Toyota it would come out with a much higher score.

[@putmeincoach7663]

@@stevenlefebvre2991 They gave the Tundra TRD Pro 10 points for differential lockers and it doesn't have any? How is that biased against the Tundra?

[@stevenlefebvre2991]

phaT habitaT He said you get five points for a center transformer case and the front and rear have a way of modulating the wheels using the brakes and acting like a locker. So it should get 15 points. The tundra system works great off road I should know.

[@alienation1270]

@@stevenlefebvre2991 Tunda does *NOT* have a locking front or rear differential.

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

By transfer case do you mean low range? Most 4x4 trucks have a transfer case, which means there isn't a center diff, which means there can't be a center diff locker. There is one new truck, I can't remember which one, that on different trims it may or may not have low range even though it has a transfer case for 4WD.

[@wasichuwacanta7010]

Chevy, but they have "terrain" mode, which I guess acts as a sort of low range.

[@bretz71]

“Trail Boss” 🤣 is 2nd behind the Raptor? TFL just lost all credibility. 🙃 You’d need a Rebel, TRD Pro, or Pro4X picking up the parts falling off of it and fetching new ones.

[@leonardrice1500]

You sound like a jealous ford loser..lol...Chevrolet silverado for the win... the craptor probably has a bent frame after your fat boyfriend gets in it...lmfao

[@92akucaballero97]

ford raptor cool but it’s basically 100k GM trash like always Rebel Euro trash Titian boot leg F150 trash Toyota... maaannn you already know!

[@Angry_Gnome]

fanboy much?

[@Angry_Gnome]

92AKU Toyota is overrated crap.

[@northerntoyota7584]

I've been a long time subscriber, but that Raptor doesn't have a true front locker. Roman, quit messing with Stevens data lol

[@rustysena2638]

he didnt' say it had a front locker. he said it had a torsen differential.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

He gave it points for a locker. He said that it acts as a locker which he is wrong

[@rustysena2638]

@@EGGINFOOLS Technically it's not a locker but it does come close. but he never said "it's a locker". He said it acts as a locker. Not the same thing. I have a current model raptor. He's not wrong.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

@@rustysena2638 You said what I said. But he is wrong. It doesn't act like a locker. It acts like a limited slip torsen because that's what it is. It's not bad or junk, but it's not a locker and he gave it points. He shouldn't have. It doesn't meet his own criteria.

[@Michael_ryan91]

@@EGGINFOOLS it does act like a locker lol i have a jeep rubicon which has both e lockers and torsens and if there is resistance on each side of the axles u cannot overcome the 4:1 torsen i have 35s on mine and in moab didnt need e locker much.

[@edgart49]

But where did big green ended up?

[@CoelhoSports]

if it can't be modded and is the best it's ever going to be off the dealer lot, then it should only get a maximum of 50% of possible points.

[@tefrumpzax]

They should have a overall convenience and usability score too. Think the rebel would take the cake on that

[@2k7duramax]

No Sierra AT4? They have more tech and cameras than the TrailBoss, adding 5 points to the score. That should, on paper at least, tie it with the Raptor.

[@tylerfranz12]

They can't have the Ford lose

[@JamieHitt]

My questions are these, ... Is there an after market improvement, ...that if added to each competitor (fairly and equally), ...would alter the outcome of the list? Do any of these models have warranties that allow for any modifications? Including tires? If the most expensive model was held as a cap, ...could another model surpass it with after market improvements, ...without passing that cap?

[@moro1112]

Jamie Hitt those are some excellent questions sir!

[@bacawaka2813]

A off-road point per price chart would have been nice to see which was the most off-road per dollar.

[@Lacoste9277]

Curious why not mention Canadian prices instead? Are you not the Canadian host to TFL?

[@DRose2Fast]

True.

[@yorkchris10]

You're going to keep a XL sheet for when you do PW, Gladiator, etc. classes? The index seems to work!

[@RCPhotosVideos]

I would like to see a Hummer H1 ranked on this index

[@jkutches17]

My stock 2001 F150 XL 4x4 scores a 70 without cameras or undercarriage armor or knowing it's approach, departure, or break over angle. I disagree with your scoring. You are not rating actual performance like high speed off road, water fording, clearance (to diff, axles, and chassis), or axle articulation. You're basically doing a paper test like it's an on road truck. For example, the Raptor is likely the best high speed off-roader but the Rebel road crawls better.

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

My 122 inch F-150 shorty would score the same as the Raptor as it would get 5% for break over and lose 5% for cameras. It has some definite advantages over the new Raptor though. It is narrower, shorter, lighter, and cheaper. It has a tighter turning circle, higher payload, better towing, and you can lock the rear axle in 2WD. That can be helpful and fun. I still agree with their scoring.

[@mjg6377]

I applaud you being more scientific about grading these trucks. The facial hair gets an A+ too. So if the Rebel has air suspension then it gains 5% for meeting criterion of departure angle which puts the score at 81.7. Next year when they add the front camera that’ll put it at 86.7; hopefully. Factoring in hill decent and crawl control could make it interesting although i see why you wouldn’t include it. Although not half-tons, I’d like to see where the ZR2 and Tacoma rank.

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

Mike Mike air suspension will not achieve a 25% departure angle.

[@christophersoderman9966]

We can't include an RTI? I know the Raptor won already, but that is an important factor. Also, an AT4 with the cameras (which I have and love) would have scored the same as the Raptor here. But it is not the same as the Raptor off road. This is where the RTI (wheel articulation) would play a huge factor.

[@Blackpanther_risen]

TFL, u need to add another category to this, dependability.....in that case, Tundra moves to the top of list, then Pro4x, TBoss, F150, and RAM

[@rottpung]

Most trucks or SUV´s that have a part-time 4x4 system doesn´t have a center differential, but it works the same way as a locked center differential since it distributes the torque 50/50 front and rear (e.g. when in 4HI or 4LO). The Mitsubishi Pajero (Mitsubishi Shogun or Montero in some markets) is one exception.

[@TheLeestarr]

Other than the Tailpipes and hitch, The Ford to me did better than the Dodge or Chevy. The Ford kept the wheels on the ground better and had no trouble climbing the steep grade where the Chevy and Dodge both spun,slid sideways almost hitting the tree. 15,000 more would be a tough decision.

[@brandonwebb4221]

Tire size and suspension should be factored in and maybe crawl ratio should be part of the transfer case section

[@Smoothoperator65]

They're all way to expensive and mostly plastic!

[@melvinhunt6976]

The Raptor is the truck in this comparison. The rest were good but please,?

[@johnnyjakenjill]

Now let's see which truck is still running in 5 yrs

[@leonardrice1500]

It wont be the frod...

[@92akucaballero97]

Lol it won’t be gm or rebel after 3yrs unless u fixed it already

[@tacoswelding8411]

😂

[@UltraSS-nj8kd]

*GMC AT4* #1 in the real world

[@kingpin3919]

LMAO

[@highplainsdrifter9849]

The Toyota Tundra is without a doubt the best built truck on the market. It's more reliable, it's more than capable, and it's plenty big enough. The only reason why it hasn't sold well in the US has been the typical U.S. pickup truck buyer's mentality: "it's not American." They would rather buy a Fiat built POS with the ram logo on it, or deal with the problematic engines in the Chevy Silverado / GMC Sierra, than to be caught dead in an American-built Japanese product. This would be hilarious if it wasn't so damn xenophobic. As for me personally, the only vehicle I will touch is a Toyota.

[@herbertmoore8125]

Who came in 2nd to 5th? My phone is buffering, so I couldn't read it. How did the ram rebel fare?

[@Ekimsnegdoh27]

I just went to build a 2020 trail boss and the only engine available is 5.3 but with a 10 speed instead of the 8 speed they had for 19. Maybe 6.2 will be available later but so far not for 2020 build sheet

[@lokkstarproductions6918]

Mike Hodgens 6.2 is already available. I just looked online. The 6.2 is nice but not really necessary for off road purposes unless you go high speed.

[@jasondavis1453]

If you have cameras for points you should also include visibility out of the windows

[@jasondavis1453]

Sorry trail boss

[@jrhunt414]

Why isn’t weight a factor. It really needs to be because it takes some huge aggressive tires to move heavy vehicles uphill off-road. I think everyone with a Power Wagon can attest to this.

[@stuffandjunkandthings364]

Looking forward to the "road test" of the ORI.

[@mrlord8657]

I feel secured in my Tundra.

[@tacoswelding8411]

Hope so that thing is massive looking 😂 I love it though

[@ClimbnFish]

So you give a truck just as many points for extra cameras as you do for locking diffs? Ever been off road? “That mud looks deep, better turn all my cameras on”

[@aaron5222]

If nothing can ever hit 100% what's the point of having a score 1-100

[@dalephillips8250]

He never said what size tires was on the Tundra TRD PRO?

[@sha6mm]

Nice comparison Guys, now just because Chevy does not publish break over angle maybe you guys should, and if it would get 5 more points that's getting close to the Ford. In reality it's not, but looks like more bang for the buck. FYI I like the ORI scoring index.

[@WaldoNevada]

It's not hard getting a different set of tires for a truck. Tires should not be included in the scoring, let alone worth 10% of the total score. Last time I bought an SUV, the dealership threw on a different set of tires as part of the deal.

[@patton357]

I love my tundra. I didn't buy it for features, I bought it for longevity, and low ownership cost.

[@BullittKid08]

And bad gas mileage

[@patton357]

@@BullittKid08 yes indeed, was filling up at Costco, and another tundra pulled in behind me. He said they should have chairs for us tundra guys. I will take terrible gas milage and lack of features for longevity and reliability.

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

OMG you guys are SO brainwashed! Sad really.

[@patton357]

@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 yeah but see here is the point. You don't pay my truck note and I don't pay yours. I won't criticize anyone's preference, because it's their choice.

[@tshearn624]

I never consider gas mileage when buying a truck. I consider reliabilty and comfort. If it is comfortable and reliable I do not care about gas mileage. If I did I would not own a truck.

[@ryanm78]

I'll stick to reliability, the Tundra. Plus those #'s don't mean sh!t.

[@robertjohnson4784]

I don't understand how can you put a Ford Raptor in the mix when it cost 15 to 20,000 more than any of the other vehicles and it's basically a specialty truck in limited numbers a fair comparison would have been the FX4 and I know you guys are going to tell me we put the top rated vehicle of each manufacturer to me it's not a fair

[@OldPortsmouth]

The X factor 1% is too low - or we would all buy the same - I had a series one Discovery, so bad is so many areas, but it had something I cannot quite put my finger on, but X factor would be my description, and it made it epic for me :)

[@bomberman300ex]

Lsd is not a locker. I see Raptors spinning just one tire in the front all the time. That doesn't happen with a locker unless something is broken.

[@lightningguy4897]

3% for a locker and 5% for a camera? That makes since.... No wait no it doesn't

[@Fixin-To]

lightning guy Sense when did TFL make since?

[@philtripe]

you can still buy a 4.3 v6 in the trail boss?? i thought they stopped making that boat anchor decades ago. knowing Chevy im sure they haven't changed anything so its still probably a lemon

[@ShyaMiss]

Is it really that difficult to do a simple Google search? That 4.3 is a clean sheet design from 2014...

[@samuelizuelu2120]

We already know the Raptor won all, its a machine on its own

[@texasstealth1911]

Didn’t the tundra pass the approach angle?

[@danr3545]

ANOTHER LOSS FOR THE TUNDRA 😂😂😂

[@lokkstarproductions6918]

khronosfateless so is my bicycle.

[@travis2780]

khronosfateless All anyone brings up is reliability😂. As if that makes up for the rest of the truck sucking. My friend has a TRD Pro and that thing has tech from the early 2000’s.. like wtf. Looks like a damn Camry on the inside.

[@tacoswelding8411]

Yeah tundra is not the greatest for off-roading, tundra loss this one for sure ! Raptor always takes the cake I’m in the market for a truck I love the power wagon inside and out but not sure I trust the transmission on it for too long the same goes for Chevy. My brother replaced his tranny on his 2017 Chevy at 120k miles and my buddy on his 2016 1500 ram at just 100kmiles Wont go Ford cuz I drive those for work to many electrical and general issues. My buddies 2017 f150 seems to be at the shop at the worst possible times.Titan just has a bad stigma to it not sure I trust it yet I need more research. I drive a Tacoma now and only had oil changes at 180k miles. My dad has a Tacoma at 360k with only tune ups and nothing fixed on the engine ,no transmission swap or any major maintenance at all. I’d probably just get a tundra because of the low maintenance cost. Also once you trick the trd tundra out overland style it looks pretty sick. Yeah.. think I’ll stick to Toyota 👍🏼 2nd choice would be the power wagon!

[@tacoswelding8411]

@@lokkstarproductions6918 😂 hilarious!

[@tacoswelding8411]

@khronosfateless true but idk to much about the new tundra with the 3.5L twin turbo v6 Or any big truck with an in-line v6 for that matter! It’s a little weird I wouldn’t get a v6 unless it’s a mid size truck.

[@butch1254]

My brand new 2020 Chevy trail boss hydrolocked after going through maybe 8 inches of water a bit to fast! Dead! Has this happened to anyone else? Seems extreme damage for what I was doing with a truck that calls itself a “trail boss”. Needless to say, I am very disappointed and wishing I bought a ford or ram. Anyone here of this being any issue for Silverados?

[@Jman11129]

I went through some deep water I’m sure it was at least 9-10 inches and I didn’t have any problems.

[@humbertorubi4947]

TFL = The Ford Lovers. The Raptor is a very expensive toy not a real truck. To be fair you should bring the best F150 off-road package as the other brands. Honestly the Raptor can’t be used for real world work as the others because it is so dedicated just to monkey around. But you will not do that because you know a real world Ford 150 will not win. 😉

[@brandonanewalt1880]

Humberto Rubi the video was trying to place objective scoring and rating system to rank the top end off road packages of each major manufacturer’s trucks. You come in with your opinions without substantiating a single thing. I think there should have been some sort of pricing metric but beyond that I’m not sure why you’re complaining that the raptor was measured.

[@humbertorubi4947]

Brandon Anewalt I think this all about on social media? I can express my opinion right? Now, my point is the Raptor is in its own league. For a fair comparison they should use the best FX4 or whatever Ford have. The Raptor isn’t per se an F150 as it have lots of different engineering and very specialized parts and factory mods. Also when it comes to Toyota people said a LSD or torsen is not a real locking diff, but if it is on its favorite truck of course it is and counts as a diff lock in the score. Finally they said the A/T tires in the Tundra aren’t? Or they want M/T tires? I’m ok if like the Ford it is a nice toy but they should be less biased towards domestics. Again just my opinion 😉

[@BullittKid08]

@guy proulx you're a clown

[@Bosha92]

Toyota is a joke! No locking diff on a $50K TRD Pro!

[@JPE_DRAEB]

I agree but somehow TFLOFFROAD gave them 10 points for locking diffs. This is crazy!

[@Makemydayoutdoors]

I think its unfair to put raptor with the rest of the gang, raptor is in its own class imo. P.S. raptod don't have front locker.

[@genius-no5sl]

They’re all great but yes the raptor is about as good as you can get .