Defender vs. Grand Cherokee: One Of These Two Luxury SUVs Is Hands Down The Off-Road KING!

[@TFLoffroad]

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[@briantoner5247]

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[@michaelconlin5614]

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[@DrummerScandinavia]

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[@Power5]

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[@Isha048]

Defender... I like it more than a Grand Cherokee L.

[@apegues]

As a European Car Mechanic of 45 years, I wouldn’t own a Land Rover product to save your life. My opinion is based on my experience with the product line from the last 15-20 years, I’ll take the Jeep any day of the week. That’s my Humble Professional Opinion .

[@krasnaludek298]

Agree 100%

[@BorellaFamilyAdventures]

Had my 06 LR3 HSE 4.4L for years with no Major issues. My 2019 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk spent the first 7 months of its life in the shop waiting for Jeep to Lemon it. To each his own.

[@hewlett260]

@@BorellaFamilyAdventures if you don't mind me asking, what have been the issues with your Trailhawk? Also, used to work at a dealership and due to the experience there, I have to say you seem to be extremely lucky with your LR.

[@BorellaFamilyAdventures]

@@hewlett260 it started with a bunch of warnings on the dash. Turned out that several connectors under the dash were connected but not secured so after some driving the worked lose. Panoramic roof rattled like no other. Suspension issues. That's was the first two months. Then we noticed a weird vibration under acceleration. It took nearly 5 months but fca determined it was missing welds in the unibody. Original they said nope, it wasn't going to be lemon lawed but I reminded them what it would look like to crash their number one selling vehicle with broken welds. Had a check in my hand 15 days later.

[@paulj9821]

@@BorellaFamilyAdventures So you got a lemon, this happens with every brand. Putting that aside if you take randomly 1000 new Land Rovers and 1000 new 2020 Grand Cherokee's, there is no competition in terms of which one is an unreliable money pit and that goes to LandRover.

[@craighudson4382]

I'd take the Jeep all day everyday over the Defender. Watching you guys going through multiple Defenders before you got one that worked was enough for me to never consider one.

[@jeromep3182]

Check out the crash reviews might change your mind

[@Joe-kx7bl]

That’s not normal, and one of the defenders was because of a stupid mechanic who cut through something and destroyed the car

[@billjamison2877]

The Defender is very nice but a potential HUGE money pit as the miles rack up. With the Jeep, a super nice and capable vehicle for a little less money with a aftermarket option list that's second to none. The Defender, no matter how capable it is, when you need parts you better be able to wait and get your checkbook ready because you're going to pay through the nose for service and parts. Gotta go with the Jeep, hands down!

[@Joe-kx7bl]

We don’t pay anything for service and parts. Do you really think we don’t have an 8 year warranty and four other cars? 🤦‍♂️ ok then

[@ManuelsManualTransmission]

"Hmm. I'm concerned about reliability, I'll go with the FCA product." Is not something I thought I'd ever say.

[@brandonm6117]

Haha true

[@la10sooony]

🤣 🤣 True

[@gradient602]

Very true, but put Land Rover reliablity next to it and FCA is like Honda status compared to LR lol

[@jrh80]

My last two Jags have been wonderful cars that are reliable. Not LR, but pretty much. I’ll stick to my JLR over FCA/Stellantis.

[@Goodbarsix]

I own 3 FCA products and I lold at this.

[@hedydd2]

Don't use the 'high' suspension setting unless you really have to for clearance reasons. You will be amazed at how much better it drives off road in just auto setting. Better articulation, comfort and traction.

[@ron8975]

Don't cloud the issue with facts and common sense...... LOL

[@XploreAz]

Exactly. The highest setting is for rock crawling and the suspension is very stiff on that setting.

[@RunDub]

Yeah, it always ticks me off that they run the max height and then complain of it being too stiff.

[@300bhpton]

Yes, but even in just the normal off road height mode rather than fully extended, it is surprisingly how less comfortable the ride is compared to live axles over slow technical terrain. At higher speeds on unpaved roads and normal road height it is comfy. But too much lifting of wheels for a good ride when the going gets tough.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Yes I’ve said that again and again. I do believe however that the vehicle puts itself in off-road height when put into low range. They could change it back to normal height but then again they don’t need to be using low range anyway.

[@hege750]

According to the instrument panel, the Defender was in Comfort mode and not in Auto. But as could be seen, there were zero problems climbing up that hill.

[@lunamaria1048]

Comfort mode is suspension setting.. Not off road setting

[@hege750]

@@lunamaria1048 Comfort mode is one of the Terrain Response settings that affects more than just the suspension. This is exactly the reason I commented because Comfort mode is meant for on-road driving!

[@Douganchesner]

Yeah, also the Jeep was aired-down. The advantages were totally with the Jeep but it still lost. I personally feel like this channel underplays the Defender every chance it can. I just took mine in a more challenging trail than this with all seasons and it slipped less than this one. It gets sorta old but eventually people will realize what an incredible vehicle the Defender truly is.

[@lunamaria1048]

@@DouganchesnerNo.. They are just honest.. I own a Defender, so can confirm that.

[@Douganchesner]

@@lunamaria1048 I own one too. A 2021 X-dynamic. I just did way more intense off-roading than this on worse tires and it slipped much less while it was rainy hard during a thunderstorm. Which version do you have?

[@fitzgoblin81]

I love the Defender. That said I am very impressed with the Grand Cherokee L. I can't wait to see the short wheel base version next year. I would not spec 3 rows in either vehicle.

[@shepleonard8695]

The Defender I should say the new Defender is crap. It's not that great off road, it's not that great of a vehicle. If you want something that's a little bit cheaper than the Defender but gives you what the Defender used to be, buy a Ineos Granadeer. www.motorauthority.com/news/1132512_rugged-ineos-grenadier-suv-coming-to-us-in-2023

[@mastermouse00]

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[@Qugie]

@@shepleonard8695 yea but that thing is in a price range between $75,000 and $120,000. I will stick with the Jeep

[@cmtexperts4825]

All people complaining haven't owned one As a regular land rover buyer i have a really good experience with this company my defender is pretty great offroad and all black spec makes it bad ass No issues either

[@toddw6716]

I got the short one. It’s great!

[@davidhalen1198]

That new Grand Cherokee is impressive. I had a couple Defender 110’s in Afghanistan, and they went everywhere the HMMWV’s went. I loved those thing

[@jcmac7709]

The 110’s are classic off road sleepers for sure. Almost as if Rover “cheapens” the quality for us Americans. Maybe they own NAPA stock.

[@petersmith3727]

My experience I agree with the previous comment, only use the extended height if you need to. The cool thing about the Defenders air suspension is that even ground out in extended height, press the button to lower the suspension and it will go into super extended height, then if you put your foot on the brake and press the raise button for 3 seconds it will beep and go even higher, granted it will be stiff but it can get you out of trouble. As for HDC I tend to put it into manual and use the gears to slow down or speed up going down steep slopes it also saves your brakes. And to smooth out your progress and reduce jerky throttle use ATPC and use the cruise control button to adjust your speed, it really is a capable off roader.

[@ericcissoko1280]

Great review! Hesitated on both but finally went with the 22 GC Summit Reserve

[@The_Hi_Life]

“You’ll be amazed at where the defender can take you” yes, it can take you to every mechanic shop in town…

[@scottbeveridge3135]

Yeah, I have a current GC. I’ve spent plenty of money after the warranty self-destruct function was activated. Absolutely junk.

[@paulj9821]

@@scottbeveridge3135 Odd, I have a 2016 Summit with 117k and it's been rock solid.

[@markpass4215]

Oh that GC…luxurious plastic…rattle and rumble…and the styling…

[@JustinKelly]

Why did Jeep force you into an Overland to get the off road package? I feel like it could have been made available in a lower trim too for those who want a little less and to help with cost.

[@moparproud3978]

Overland is the base V8 trim too. Go figure

[@JustinKelly]

@@moparproud3978 Good point! The V8 sure is a pricey option but it would be great to see a V8 and Off Road package in a base or near base trim too. Since this competes somewhat with the Tahoe Z71, I think it is a little on the high side in terms of price for features compared to the Tahoe off roaring abilities aside.

[@moparproud3978]

@@JustinKelly I’m going to hold out hope that happens with the two row version. Which is the better daily and off road one anyways with the shorter wheelbase. Could be something they offer later, which I suppose I get from a business perspective; it’s a $22k jump from a Laredo V6 to an Overland V8. Maybe the thinking is to get things paid off quicker? I dunno. Fingers crossed

[@pbentsonable]

The overland is their most off road version of the GC L

[@joshuakurian5994]

Or for those who didn’t want to get a more expensive car possibly broken…

[@milosfedor5038]

Grand Cherokee is more LR Discovery competition than LR Defender...

[@MrJcjet]

Seems fair to compare. They're both unibody off road image lifestyle crossovers. Underneath they're very similar. Discovery might fit too, it's very similar to the defender underneath.

[@davidwass9996]

More Range Rover than Land Rover.

[@thewhiskeypapa]

"I brought something that hasn't existed before - a three row Grand Cherokee" except there was- the pinnacle of experimental SUV engineering - the JEEP COMMANDER! Built on the same underpinnings as a Jeep Grand Cherokee.

[@Douganchesner]

Not really a Jeep guy but I’ve always sorta liked the look of the Commander.

[@paulelledge8977]

But it wasn't a Grand Cherokee.

[@piersandromannino4109]

Pentastar and Hemi are very good engine. Not the most efficient or quick engines but definitely reliable.

[@dollarzUS]

What about the toyota land cruiser V8 its very very reliable

[@jjames2162]

@@dollarzUS it’s too thirsty. Gets like 12/13mpg vs 17-20mpg in the Hemi

[@Ramblin_Rob]

Fuel economy with the 5.7 is dictated by the vehicle. My 2014 Charger R/T AWD can get 25-27 mpg on the hwy if you keep yer foot out of it. and that's with 150,000 miles on the clock

[@jjames2162]

@@Ramblin_Rob very true. My 2019 RAM 1500 fully loaded gets 17-22mpg with the 5.7 V8

[@chynacash3138]

@@Ramblin_Rob Wish I could get that mileage with my '08 GC Overland 5.7 lol. I never see 20mpg... But definitely not as bad as the Toyota Land Cruiser gas mileage.

[@snowayadventures]

That Land Rover motor screams future issues and cost

[@SethPinnock]

I disagree, straight 6 engines are easier to work on than V8, and an electric turbo charger may be expensive to replace bur easier to identify issues sooner.

[@westeed1]

$67k to $20k as soon as the warranty ends in 3yrs. Let the depreciation begin!

[@Kevin-sr8yx]

In a contest of staunch unreliability, the new Grand Cherokee starts strong by leaking oil OUT OF THE BADGE. 0:18 Your move, Defender.

[@rowdyringsak9448]

I love my grand cherokee wk2. V8 5.7 hemi. Quadratech 2 air ride. Climbs some pretty hard terrain like it's not even there.

[@Ramblin_Rob]

Great Video Guys! I'd have to go Jeep all the way when you look at serviceability, plus.. It's got a Hemi. The 5.7 is well sorted and a long history. 247 Land Rover dealers vs 2500 Jeep dealers. One set of slightly taller tires (as you indicated Jeeps are shorter) and that new Jeep rocks it on or off road.

[@pablomoreno1999]

i think you guys need a more challenging hill for this videos :D

[@patrickmartin3322]

This hill is changing for crossovers and regular cars, but for Jeeps and Land Rovers, they can handle more

[@pablomoreno1999]

@@patrickmartin3322 totally agree, its a shame that they do such great offroad videos but this kind of easy terrain sort of kills the mood....most crossovers even are starting to be able to handle more as well

[@toobalicious]

It was more than challenging for the Subie….

[@pablomoreno1999]

@@toobalicious true that....but with that cvt and such a weak engine everything is now a challenge for the subie🤣

[@jlsgarage872]

He did mention that this is about as aggressive as anyone will ever take one of these in so that's why they did it

[@mathewpennington7049]

The defender engine sounds very nice.... But not sounding so reliable. That jeep interior is off the hook.

[@MichaelSmith-kr9qw]

After test driving a Overland today I am thoroughly impressed at the interior quality and in person the vehicle is pretty substantial and is prettier in person... Almost bit the bullet on it I was that impressed but I have to pay off my wife surgery first then we will get her a new toy.

[@16jnajm]

The more I see the new Defender, the more I think it’s just junk.

[@redbarron6574]

We are getting ready to buy the new Jeep. Our 2014 had several problems but Jeep handled the problems well and kept care of the vehicle. It only has 135000 miles now and still runs great and we’ll probably keep it. The Land Rover is nice but I just can’t get myself to give up the Jeep amenities as well as it’s a great 4wd.

[@WW-wf8tu]

Thorough review gentle. Great work.

[@tinshield]

That new GC looks fantastic

[@Lucas12v]

Maybe I'm just out of touch but i wish offroad cars would go back to being simpler. Give me old fashioned limited slip of locking diffs and skid plates with a good non electronic suspension. And traction control with just a couple modes one of which must be completely off. It's not that these new cars aren't capable it's just so much stuff to break or fail. Plus they're more expensive than they need to be.

[@rogersmj]

4:21 "This thing is so capable..." After watching your more recent three-way shootout with the Defender, Bronco, and Wrangler...that didn't age well.

[@stevespencer5158]

No kidding. That video makes the LR look like an impotent POS.

[@NemeanLion-]

I don’t know what’s different about this video, but I’m enjoying it more than usual. I find it easier to sit and enjoy. I think it’s really thoughtful of covering all the bases, really good editing, great personalities, etc.

[@induction7895]

Maybe you changed.

[@NemeanLion-]

@@induction7895 Pretty quick change.

[@benpinter1988]

I like that they left in some of the bloopers.

[@preet6936]

Great work Love tommy and Andrea team

[@andrewsmith9980]

Defender if you care about what everyone else thinks about you and Jeep if you care about reliability

[@buzzfreedom5290]

You'll be amazed by the Defender. Amazed by the amount of tires you'll need to get through a trail! 😉

[@sanatandharma4435]

I am a Defender man, but, wait a minute, that Cherokee is a beauty! I think I would prefer it, but it looks so BIG! I would probably wait a year or two and get a second hand Defender.

[@jaimemalumbane4192]

Good thing 😊

[@Valenciarony]

I’m just waiting for the Granadier to get to the US in 2023. Wish they had a tester for you guys

[@16jnajm]

Same

[@ttgautam21]

I would love to see grand Cherokee l vs discovery.. Defender vs wrangler vs bronco..

[@Douganchesner]

I think the Discovery will still have better overall traction than the Jeep but I’d def be interested in the comparison. I don’t have much experience other than road driving a Disco 5 but I still own a 3 and it’s stellar off-road.

[@jackchn23]

Nice comparison! How would a Discovery stack up against a Cherokee L? Family hauler vs Family hauler.

[@Kliffy77]

Grand Cherokee all the way.

[@trenton.tchannel1810]

The interior in the defender looks cheaper than the Pacifica

[@Douganchesner]

You have zero idea what you are talking about.

[@Rusty.1776]

Besides the title of your video being a bit far fetched it was a good fun video. I love and respect what y'all do for the automotive community, at the same time titles of videos matching the true take from the videos says ALOT to your fans and viewers...💚

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Nothing moved me like Land Rover.. but dam that Jeep is nice.

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

@Aj Cogswell You can't read or write, that is the true embarrassment.

[@georgetidd8972]

Thanks Guys! Good job….Jeep has always been my ride,,,had 5 Grand Cherokees, last one being the Trailhawk,,,making the big switch this year to the Defender! Oh Boy! Thanks to TFL,,,,Cheers

[@ktpinnacle]

What's your take? Which version did you get?

[@georgetidd8972]

@@ktpinnacle The P400 S…..then built it out with all the Four by Four additions…..black package and Gondwana Stone…still on the High Seas,,,,due in Port the 18th August! So bummed the 6 cyl only comes with bigger rim sizes….this is the one thing that really bugs me….but I think I can find a good enough tire in 20 inch rim. I do like the Defender, Jeep has done me right, but want a more comfortable vehicle as I am pushing 60…. Cheers

[@GeordsYouTube]

New defender is very good on fuel, with it spending a lot of time in the repair shop

[@KTMcaptain]

🤣😂😆

[@cmtexperts4825]

Have you owned one? Coz I never faced any issues with my defender I use it rough and it's the best car i have ever owned

[@notjustanydad]

I bought my first Jeep a GCL Overland and I'm impressed so far. I'm in FL only off-road it will see is the beach.

[@LaylaGW]

In the US here, Jeep all the way. Easier to get fixed, and much cheaper to maintain when it goes out of warranty.

[@Malc664]

That Jeep is so nice and at a good price. The cockpit is a better place to be and the traction control is good enough to choose it over the Land Rover.

[@MoneyShot_CM]

You two are great together! Very funny, great video guys

[@krasnaludek298]

I prefer Jeep over Land Rover. Most reliable SUV brand on the planet; even more so than Toyota (despite myths to the contrary) & the design of these newer gen Wranglers & GCs is excellent.

[@joecool9739]

Customer reviews and reliability scores beg to differ

[@rottieshepcalibre9156]

Toyota is better

[@MOBGaming4]

I think I'll stick with my Cherokee for the time being. I'm still having fun with it!

[@rafehsaleh]

Great review .. I previously owned a Cherokee and had lots of overheating problems when desert off-roading in Egypt. I'd appreciate if you look at how the cars handle heat in future comparisons.. Cheers

[@jonathanphillips3612]

The Land Rover is a great piece of Machinery and can tackle some very impressive obstacles. The Jeep needs more clearance from the ai suspension and bigger tires.

[@Papanza295]

The thing about the Jeep is that, if you want a more hardcore offroader most people will go for the Wrangler

[@marklynn6907]

It’s nice that we live in a world where both of these vehicles are now available….

[@douglasbeary7890]

Did you order a bronco?!?!? Lmao just kidding

[@arnoherrmann2495]

Excellent review. Congratulations. Would like to see the GC short wb Trailhawk plus the Defender V8. On road the Defender has better road holding and steering at least for European fast contry roads, but I definitively would like to have diff locks. I do not like the poor wheel travel in the GC. Yes, the Defender is more expensive but has an incredible choice of useful extras. Defender reliability will improve with time. The new GC - I had 3 of them incl 5.9lt and I loved them all - has a lot of electronics and software gimmicks, too. Reliability to be seen as well.

[@jakey20022]

Grand Cherokee short WB 4xE trailhawk vs the Defender off road .

[@M.G.jun.]

Thanks for this great video! A great review. Everything included. And you two are a great couple. Very entertaining and informative. Please keep it up! Greetings from beautiful Upper Bavaria.

[@HowToGetMoreMetal]

I like the defender better but living in Salida Co where the nearest dealer is two hours away is a challenge. The Jeep is too nice. I do like that I can get it serviced five minutes from home and I like the v8. Considering my brand new Power Wagon’s transmission went out at 30,000 miles and my wife’s grand Cherokee’s transmission had a very odd surging sensation that the dealer could not fix at 28,000 miles…. I would buy the defender.

[@XploreAz]

Land Rover's are notorious for problems. Not saying RAM or Jeep don't have their issues, but you have the same vehicles as my wife and I. I have 50k on my PW and my wife has 70k on her GC. Both with no major issues.

[@HowToGetMoreMetal]

I totally agree and understand. I think it’s just one of those thing…..burned twice, try something else nice. Hope you have an amazing day. If not….make the next day.

[@chir0pter]

8:00 as someone who is just learning about offroad tires, it would be great if you could always give tire specs e.g. 265/55r20 or whatever, plus weight rating- E, XL, SL, etc

[@joatmon1857]

Grand Cherokee any and every day!!!! The Hemi will still be running in 10 years if not right out the box!!!

[@keanualexander8955]

😂😂😂😂

[@gasolinediesel972]

It will. There are many early 2000's dodge trucks with that engine that are still running.

[@1.21Gigawatts_]

I don't think it's fair to use the 3-row cherokee. Should have waited a month and used the 2-row shorter grand cherokee vs the defender.

[@MarkPharaoh]

They’re a content channel…they’re going to make content

[@LigerZeroFtw]

Why? Both of these vehicles are 3 row?

[@1.21Gigawatts_]

@@LigerZeroFtw the grand cherokee is like 7 inches longer than the defender. Shorter is better for off road obstacles. If you look at the 3rd row in the defender, it's basically useless. There's 2 inches of leg room. I don't even consider it a 3rd row. Impossible to sit back there unless your 5 years old.

[@LigerZeroFtw]

@@1.21Gigawatts_ I'm aware that shorter is better off road. Still interesting to see them compared and I agree the third row in the defender is pretty sad.

[@patricklarocque1550]

you should look at the video again. The Defender has 3 rows too - Andre could barely fit in it.

[@theninethrees8044]

I cannot wait for TFL to review the Ineos Grenadier AKA the Real New Defender.

[@jworthe]

Oddly, it's seeming like both will use trash BMW 3L engines. I had such high hopes for the Grenadier, but I think the engine choice was a big mistake. BMW is great for performance, terrible for engine reliability.

[@theninethrees8044]

@@jworthe I don’t see your point, if people ONLY wanted reliability then everyone would just have a Land Cruiser. Why do people bother offroading Land Rovers, Jeeps, Hummers, Chevy’s, Fords, or anything else? We can’t be too quick to judge the capabilities, instead of bashing a company that is ACTUALLY listening to their consumers unlike the company that totally abandoned a loyal following for a new customer base we need to cheer the underdog.

[@jworthe]

@@theninethrees8044 Ineos has been touting reliability and ease to maintain from the beginning. If this is part of their core priorities, clearly they blew it. And the days of live axled Land Cruisers are long, long gone. Lastly, reliability is a spectrum. But engines that last 75,000 miles before they start to develop significant issues is unacceptable. On a side note, my local British Car shop has a collection of low mileage LR3s waiting for donor BMW engines.

[@peopleschamp7258]

@@theninethrees8044 a underdog that base model costs 75k and then goes to 120k. Ineos is for the fat cats that want to look the part. At that price I would buy G-wagon

[@baldomerovega65]

Lol 😂 just wait couple months and Jeep will introduce the Jeep trailhawk 2 row v8 with 12 inch ground clearance just watch and avilable 6.4 hemi 👍🏼💪

[@petermandics1517]

Ahh, finally; a Jeep with that V8 "Grumble" (0:50).

[@joshuatracy4829]

Patriot had 4.7 and 5.7 I do believe, wish wrangler and gladiator had factory v8

[@patricklarocque1550]

@@joshuatracy4829 you can now order a wrangler 392...

[@joshuatracy4829]

@@patricklarocque1550 yeah I just seen that, hoping the gladiator gets it to . I love the look but I need more horsepower then the v6 and really dont want the diesel

[@westernherit]

I would skip both and buy a Land Cruiser. That said, Jeep has really upped their game. I have owned a Range Rover, and would never do it again. If you own a Land Rover product you need a dealer close by.

[@sgtrat87]

Was so impressed by the GCL that I bought an Overland trim, although I went with the six cylinder. It’s got plenty of power for around town. It will not ever see any real off roading though. I have my JK for that.

[@ktpinnacle]

How are you liking the Overland a year later? Reliable?

[@brucesheehe6305]

I have a JGC 2022 WK2 Altitude - 2 row old model. It has same engine and transmission. 23 gal gas tank. It has an almost 600 mile highway driving range at 26 mpg. Ride is excellent as well as drivability. Jeep sells way more GC than Wranglers. If you don't go off-road, GC is the best choice. I love mine - a marvel in rain or snow.

[@cinemac72]

Wondering how the Ineos Grenadier will perform 😍

[@hedydd2]

It will drive like something from the 1980's but with more power and hopefully a bit more refinement. They have just launched a video showing the interior which suits utility companies and farmers very well. Their claim about reducing electronics is laughable though with their only example being the lack of electric seats and keyless entry. Its not as if all that switchgear on the roof and down the centre console was connected to their components by levers and Bowden cables. They are all obviously connected by electronics and cables, hopefully using a modern Bus system rather than miles and miles of individual wires prone to chaffing and being eaten by rodents.

[@makesy-5327]

It’ll be miles better than these for proper off-roading from all the initial reveal info! But it’s a solid axle vehicle so not really a comparison to these, probably best compared to a wrangler really

[@simonperry330]

From England i have a 1999 Defender 90 that has Traction Control.

[@jeremyjohnson6438]

The Discovery Series 2 which came out in 99 had it as well I’m pretty sure. That’s the NA market

[@larsolavramstad3567]

I think the first Land Rover to have traction control was the Freelander, introduced 1998.

[@jefferybaxter1225]

Both vehicles did well on the off roading courses. Between the Newly released fifth generation Jeep Grand Cherokee L and the Land Rover Defender, my choice would be the Jeep Grand Cherokee L. It's a longer third row seating SUV and it was still able to do well on the off road courses. Both of these mid-size third row seating SUVs would absolutely destroy the other mid-size third row seating SUVs out there.

[@hedydd2]

Two companies that have dreadful customer service. Both equally bad in that department and not much difference in their reliability either. Both superb vehicles until something goes wrong.

[@umad42]

I've owned quite a few Jeeps that will get up over 200,000 miles. The Hemi is a very reliable powerplant and if you listen to the people that make their 8 speed (For the love of all things holy don't listen to Chrysler) and service the transmission regularly it will totally last that. I've seen Rams with this same drivetrain with 230,000k miles on them. I don't know where the bad rap for reliability that Jeep and Chrysler products have comes from outside of like their cars in the 80's maybe? But modern Jeeps, Dodges, and Ram's are not unreliable especially in comparison to the competition with GM's horrific V6s, and their transmission issues, or Ford's issues where losing oil pressure around 100k miles is normal, oil consumption is apparently normal. If I had to choose a domestic OEM to buy from forever, I'd choose Chrysler. Especially with their interior designs being what they have been recently, they are super nice.

[@patricklarocque1550]

@@umad42 lots of GC from 2013 - 2018 (at least those my friends owned) had a lot of electronic "gremlins". Dash lighting up like a christmas tree, alarms stating a door is open when all are closed, burning down batteries, power window switches that would stop working, radio that would have the screen of death (had that too on a 2017 RAM 1500 with the top radio unit with 8 in, screen, sat nav and the Alpine radio). And on the same RAM, the driver side window would pull out of its support and fall down, mostly during winter. it happened to me 4 times, usually Friday evening so I'd be stuck with a transparent plastic bag for the week-end until I go tired and learned how to reinstall things...

[@johngittins6244]

Bit of a mismatched comparison. Shouldn’t the defender be against the Wrangler, and the Grand Cherokee against the Discovery or Range Rover ?

[@michaelconlin5614]

3 row SUV

[@Cityofemeralds]

Yes

[@jaimealvarez4722]

"That is walking distance from one the coolest streets in Austin, TX" If by that you mean 6th street? Then no thsnk you. The house is nice looking but will be overflowed homeless very soon.

[@lesterparker1594]

Owners of these trucks will be homeless soon too. Paying so much for something so unreliable is not a good idea.

[@aceforever001]

RED RIVER COUNTY GOML!!!! The only tourists we see out here are the ones we chase outta town in our big a** trucks!

[@IKnewMickey]

@@aceforever001 you chase ppl out of town in your big ass trucks?

[@Le_Royaliste_Perlino]

Just leased a '22 LR Defender 90 S. I'm in love with it.

[@Le_Royaliste_Perlino]

@@larrysmith6797 I’ve leased plenty of vehicles 😂

[@20smgreen]

I've got to go with the Jeep. The cost difference for what you get plus if anything goes wrong is going to be cheaper to fix.

[@skdoosh9523]

How does the interior space / room compare between the two? Which has more space for taller people other than the trunk?

[@masterq2.033]

Never bet against a Land Rover offroad or a Porsche in a race.

[@bucketofampz]

That's crazy you guys made this comparison, I'm actually looking at buying either one of those right now

[@getlosttoday4045]

Good way to start my work day off is with some TFL

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

me to 1st Chanel i go to

[@alextzekov3370]

Felt this on a spiritual level

[@aaronstarr2882]

Please stop the crazy long ads in your videos for the other tfl channels. They don’t need to be a whole minute long

[@mdocod]

I like the way the Defender looks both inside and out a lot more than the GC. I like the boxier look. I also appreciate that they didn't put those little air dams in the way of the approach angle.

[@TratUsYT]

Agree the defender just looks amazing.

[@sx99cornell]

15:43 Overland doesn't have Active Driving Assist, drowsy driver detection, park & unpark assist, side distance warning, or traffic sign recognition. Besides a little bit of extra skid plates and the front tow hooks you get from the Trail Rated version, you do get auto brake hold, which is not a standard feature on the Summit / Summit Reserve trim.

[@davidmilner8778]

The Overland version I have comes with most of those features, if not all. There are several different tech packages that can be added. The one tested here has most of that.

[@hazarjdm786hazar]

Very Unbiased Review! Loved it

[@JustinKingOffroad]

i think you filmed this on the same day we were nearby doing a rollover recovery lol! those fat rain drops kept coming and going drenching us on the hillside.

[@carrdoug99]

Great review. I especially liked the how many Andres cargo test.😂 These two vehicles are strongly in the more money than sense category.

[@abrahamcasanova9901]

3 on the Jeep, 2 and a pinch on the Defender 😂

[@paulelledge8977]

That was a funny part. 🤣

[@bstaustralia346]

not impressed with the GGC lifting wheels off the dirt and at one stage 2 wheels were up, the trouble with Independent vs solid axle. the compromise of comfort vs Ability. Need to see the trailhawk on same trail with detachable links.

[@billvilla7799]

The only people who by Land Rover products are people with more money than common sense. They are always dead last in reliability...I'll take the Jeep!

[@grantchallinor5263]

In terms of terrible reliability, Jeep is a close 2nd to Land Rover..... If you look at any remote places in the world, where toughness and reliability are king you won't see any Jeeps or new Defenders (for a reason). Look at what sort of vehicles the UN and other NGOs use around the world: Toyota have just about got the market sewn up.....

[@dukekelloway5328]

So you would pick the close second for poor build quality and reliability? Some sense in there I guess.

[@billvilla7799]

@@dukekelloway5328 Did I say I would choose a Jeep from all possible four wheel drive vehicles??? The video was a comparison of Jeep and Land Rover.

[@grantchallinor5263]

@@dukekelloway5328 I wouldn't buy either of these vehicles for offroad use. I think there's probably a cigarette paper between them in terms of reliability. If you do go offroad, the Defender would be hands-down better than the Grand Cherokee and probably far better dynamically onroad too. If you have a family, I would expect the Defender to offer far better protection (in the event of an accident) than the Jeep. The Defender's electronics would always be at the back of my mind, and the build quality with the Jeep. Unless I came to the US I'm unlikely to ever even see the Jeep Cherokee. The part of Europe I'm based in it's largely Toyota's (Land Cruisers and the Prado). You see some Defenders and Discoveries, but even Mercedes G Wagons (which are a very expensive vehicle) probably out number Jeeps by 100 to 1!

[@dannykelly3617]

The power train alone makes the Jeep way more reliable. 2 proven engines while Land Rover can’t even manufacture decent naturally aspirated motors, they supercharge and turbo charge them. Nightmare waiting to happen (and it already did with TFL)

[@Douganchesner]

Defender was in comfort mode which is a street mode. Still beats Jeep. Tires on Jeep aired down and not on Defender despite the greater sidewall on Defender. So in other words the Defender wasn’t even set up for off-roading and still came out on top; read into that as you will.

[@billnorblat4047]

Bummer the Land Rover will be in the shop most of the time you own it. As evidenced by your very own TFL 4 banger that was so bad they gave you a 6 for free.

[@billybellend1155]

I don’t think the Fiat jeep will be any more reliable.

[@billnorblat4047]

@@billybellend1155 statistically it should be. JLR is the worst company out there for reliability.

[@Angl0sax0nknight]

I would agree on the reliability of Rovers/Jaguars, I work on them (not by Choice) if it’s not the air suspension it’s the electrical and evoques arggg

[@paulj9821]

@@billybellend1155 Key word being "Think"

[@StephenFogarty2023]

Love the Defender That utilitarian, but modern looking interior is fantastic Defender has a lot more capability off road with the rear locking E differential. Defender with Supercharged V8 getting released in UK now It will be in USA soon Defender 130 model with a lot more cargo space and full adult sized Row 3 seats will be in USA approx late 2022. The Defender with the P400 motor can easily fit 18” wheels, with small mods. IMO the LR Discovery is a more appropriate comparison v the Jeep Cherokee L, and Discovery has a lot more room in Row 3 v the Defender 110 with Row 3 seats.

[@patricklarocque1550]

If you consider changing the discs and calipers a small mod? Because that's the only reason they can't fit smaller wheels than 19s... Downsizing your braking system is definitely not the brightest idea...

[@robertfrost1683]

One is built by Chrysler ! I One is known as an off raider for being in the repair shop. Which to choose.

[@greaterbayareaenvironmenta7740]

Chryslers don't have a good reputation for reliability.

[@Joe-rx7ht]

The Chrysler one is owned by Fiat which is a Limited Liability Company and it’s made in Mexico. I’ll take my chances with the other one. Lol

[@paulj9821]

@@Joe-rx7ht You just proved to everyone here that you are nothing put pure ignorance and heavy biased. The Jeep is made in good old US of A, specifically in the brand new state of the art, 2021 Mack Assembly Plant in Detroit. Go on JOE, spew some more complete and utter BS. Nobody is going to take anything you say seriously.

[@john-okc450]

TFL - I love you guys but I have a gripe about your "real world reviews". Whats it like to open the defenders back door on a side slope? How about A-Pillar & C-pillar blind spots? What's it like at night, are the screens too bright? Headlights? Backup lights? How easy will it be to modify, winch, skid plates, suspension? Also, a wrangler falls short in a lot of areas (noise, stability, security) and so some buyers will search for an SUV or pickup alternative. The nicest interior is not of priority. You guys always say "No one will take this expensive 4x4 off road", then you get in a wrangler costing the same amount and mums the word. I think you guys are missing a understanding of the different kinds of buyers that exist, and the TFL audience is not your typical buyer. (I needed a 4x4 with low range that was as good at 80mph for 10 hours on varying road surfaces, quiet and could keep my cargo dry and dust free. JGC Trailhawk v6 ticked all my boxes. There were desert pin strips down the sides in the first week.) Thanks. love you guys

[@RobertNuttmann]

If I was spending my money and keeping in mind I live in the western USA not England it is an easy choice. Jeep. Plus a simple reliable, smooth, good sounding, V8 with no complication on it beats what the other one has by a mile. For less money. That said, the best combo is a Wrangler for off road and a Grand Cherokee for on road plus a little off road.

[@seanstack180]

You guys should really consider changing the defender screen theme to dark mode. Looks so much more slick than the white background default mode.

[@MatrixDiscovery]

LOL....picking between these two is depending on how fast you'll want to get to the garage for repairs.

[@douglassmith8494]

aint that the truth lol

[@rcud1]

my '15 GC has been to the garage for repairs exactly once for the backup cam that got all blurry.

[@michaelconlin5614]

@@rcud1 got some "Karens" here I believe

[@victormorris7796]

Have a 2017 GC Summit. No problems.

[@iechiefcherokee3807]

Does jeep come with a tow package that was not mentioned

[@phelandeluna5439]

There was a 3 row Grand Cherokee for five years, from '06 to '10 called the Commander (XK). They brought it back in '18 (China only) and this new WL-L is based off of it, although a bit bigger.

[@joecool9739]

The Jeep Commander had nothing to do with the Grand Cherokee from that era 2 completely different vehicles

[@heatherjones3768]

No, he's right. The Commander (XK) was based on the Grand Cherokee (WK) platform and was built on the same production line. It was discontinued when the WK2 Grand Cherokee came out and replaced with the new Durango in the US.

[@hoagieman26]

And in the WK/XK, the Quadra-Drive-II system had BOTH front and rear ELSD...2011+ removed the front unfortunately.

[@hoagieman26]

@@joecool9739 The 2005-2010 Grand Cherokee WK is the same vehicle as the three row 2006-2010 Commander XK. There are differences, mostly visual, but the drivetrain and structure underneath are largely identical. You can buy a lift kit for one and it fits on the other.

[@joecool9739]

@@hoagieman26 The Ford Explorer and Ford Taurus also share the same platform A Ford Explorer is not a Ford Taurus The Audi A4 compact sedan and the Audi Q7 full size SUV also share the same platform A compact sedan is not a full size SUV

[@letsgotoborabora]

What about land Rover defender vs wk2 trail hawk comparison?

[@khakiswag]

Like how they market cost cutting as a feature. Land Rover on the cheaper interior material as more durable and Jeep with the A/C vents in the pillars as better for cooling. Vents in the pillars is because it was easier and cheaper to do it that way to fit the pano roof. And Land Rover is just straight cost cutting and profit padding.

[@dr.danknepper6530]

I’ve gone Jeep since 12/12/84 and never looked back. I have a Jeep Rubicon 2019 wiih cold air intake and Borla exhausts, dual. My Jeep Grrand Cherokee Overland will be delivered soonly. Kooks headers 3 inch, long tube, cold air exhaust, Borla Atack exhaust, will be added asap. Looking forward to it.

[@IDontKnow-bb6mt]

The most important metric to compare between the two? How much time they will be in the shop getting fixed! I'd wager they will give each other a run for the money, LOL.

[@carlosdonestevez7532]

You know I suspect that if you used a bubble level on your cameras for these kinda shoots it would better represent how steep some of these grades are most of the time it looks like your on flat ground or close to it.

[@kovu159]

A turbocharged, supercharged, hybrid Land Rover engine, or the same basic NA American V8 they’ve been building for almost 2 decades? I don’t trust that LR power train at all.

[@MisterMikeTexas]

I'm sure Scotty Kilmer would have plenty to say about it not lasting 100K.

[@mcfc6320]

I think the gcl wins with the better price for what you get in an suv. V8, towing, tech and price.

[@jlsgarage872]

Saying that grand cherokee has military roots is like saying Andre is a communist. Because he has a Russian accent lol

[@JonBecker81]

Dude, everyone knows that Adre is an ex KGB spy.