Are New Cars Getting Worse? I Ask The Experts To Find Out!

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[@wilmarbarrick3194]

Andre: I was a software developer. I like technology... Me: Aren't you the guy with no cruise control in your truck and a failed backup camera?

you must be a trumper

[@KingKong-]

Imagine that huge car screen turning dead on a fine day😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂......no ac, no heated seats, no lights, no cruise, no gears.....bricked!!!!😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢.....take it to a stealership & get a quote of $10k .....Happy???🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️

[@CJNooberson]

This

[@marcbowen5559]

The kid is making great points. Things I've been complaining about for years. I will not buy a new car that doesn't have physical controls, which is starting to limit my options.

[@johnnytactical3054]

Same

[@Evan_Land]

GREAT to see Alex, Sofyan, and Tommy together!! Also, I’m on team one pedal for sure.

[@christianglaude6659]

The screen should Only be for rear camera and navigation and perhaps radio and that's it!!! Leave well enough alone.😊

[@drn13355]

All that matters is does it sell. If they sell and make money they will keep doing it. They are in the business to make money. Not to make some social statement or try to live in the past "just because". If big screens were not selling they wouldn't make them.

[@christianglaude6659]

@@drn13355 of course if you shove them only that crap .... Try getting a Tesla or Mach E without it . And it just isn't safe but then again, do they really care 😂

[@DanGerving]

One of the reasons I got my 23 Honda Ridgeline over some others, the screen is smaller sized and limited functionality. Works for Apple car play and that’s all I want it for. Big screens are a distraction

[@christianglaude6659]

Hey Tommy, that older Toyota Landcruiser was perfect and should of stayed like that

[@craigg4246]

Lack of buttons and controls are the least of my worries about new cars. Here are my top ten reasons to avoid new cars and trucks from a mechanic’s viewpoint. 1. Wet rubber belts inside the engine. 2. Internal water pumps. 3. GDI intake clogging. 4. Turbos. 5. Cylinder deactivation. 6. CVT’s. 7. Shim bucket valves that cost several $$$ thousands to adjust and require half the engine to be disassembled. 8. Start/stop. 9. EGR. 10. DPF.

[@johnnytactical3054]

My old man bough a brand new Chevy Silverado last year. It’s already been back to the dealership multiple times for a short circuit, and some issue with the braking that they had to replace a part. The lady at the dealership told him that all these GM vehicles are having problems.

[@showmemorefunthings9208]

I've not been inside one of the newer Colorados with a the headlight controls in the computer screen. How do you flash your high beam lights to help signal a semi trailer to change lanes or to warn oncoming vehicles of a potential hazard? If there is a smaller steering wheel stalk for this function, then what is really being saved money wise? Seems like a poor design idea and not thought out by people that actually drive to work but likely carpool or ride a bus.

[@johnnytactical3054]

My wife’s A/C didn’t work on her Lexus on hot day in Florida. The problem was it’s controlled through the infotainment system, and she had to turn the car of then on to get it to work. My 2017 Colorado has the knobs.

[@SteveB88]

They are going to be too costly to repair. Back in 2015 I had purchased a 2005 Acura MDX (Now no longer have) that had a screen on the dashboard with all of the climate controls and everything else in it. This car is already 10 years old at the time, six months after owning this thing the brain for the screen goes out. And that was back when the brain was basically a DVD drive with the navigation and everything else on it mounted underneath one of the seats. At the time a used one off eBay ran about $500. And luckily for me, that was just a plug and play swap under the seat that I could do. Now on modern cars everything is in the screen so I can’t imagine what that’s going to cost to replace when I was finally go out.

[@aerynlovell4754]

Over a year ago, I bought a 2016 Canyon, and recently, the screen started glitching. Since my truck is 8 years old I assume that modern technology will last 8-10 years before they fail. At work, we have delivery cube vans that have radio controls on the touchscreen. These trucks are subjected to 8-10 hours of driving on bumpy and dusty roads. Sometimes when I try to turn up the radio the whole screen stops working. A few times turning the truck off and on fixed it but sometimes it remains off for several days and then one day it starts working again. In the days of mechanical controls, when something stopped working, you could replace the defective part. When an old touchscreen stops working, car manufacturers won't sell you replacement computer components because they are in the business of mass producing vehicles. They want new vehicles scrapped/crushed because they want to keep selling you a new vehicle because there is no profit in fixing old vehicles and keeping them on the road.

[@hmaldonado77]

I am with Andre. I love the huge screens. I have a Bronco Wildtrack and love the screen

[@KawaTony1964]

I don't think people understand how much they're paying for all this technology. For example, I had a C5 Corvette Z06 that I had to get rid of because it was nickel and diming me (more like hundred dollaring me) to death. I paid around $1000 per year for insurance on the Z06. I asked my insurance company how much it would cost if I switched to several different cars, and discovered that the Buick Regal I got would cost about $100 year MORE to insure than my Corvette. I asked my insurance company "why does a 4 door family sedan cost more to insure than 400 HP super-car level performance 2-seat monster"? They told me it had alot to do with all the electronic features that get alot of insurance claims and need frequent work.

[@447Film]

That is the stupidest heated seat argument ive ever heard

[@tmwei396]

I'm so with Tommy on most points, especially having too much technology.

[@dsm810]

Working for a large dealership chain, we're seeing more recalls/ failures due to so much that can go wrong. I'm hearing comments from customers saying simple less complicated is better. We're seeing a slow down in sales due to pricing and financing options.

[@dillonh321]

Hopefully we see a trend of things going simple again. You don’t need to take features away for those who want them. Just make more basic models and keep the controls of important equipment as physical buttons.

[@johnnytactical3054]

LOL stealerships are getting what they deserve

[@justinhenry5033]

I own a 2023 VW Atlas Cross Sport with 29,000 miles. 2.0T engine. At the dealer for an indefinite time with leaking timing cover seals, cam magnet, and oil separator failed. All of the dealers in my region are booked out with vehicles having the same issue. Still not sold on turbo charged gasoline engines for family haulers. (VW has been excellent handling the warranty)

[@rk-xv4km]

It is people like Sandy Monroe......"the best part is no part" lets save 2 cents per car and 1 milligram.

[@BrianPetersen-l2w]

Excellent video. Personally, I think it is excessive cost driven by intentional low production of affordable models. Your example of the rare availability of the base Jeep Wrangler demonstrates this. In addition, dealer markups and excessive option tack-ons and the use of TSRP by dealers.

[@Dusdaddy]

Overall a good take on the status of car manufacturing and common complaints. I also dislike shifters taking up space on the console when they can easily be placed on the dash or column. They're mostly all electric now so put them anywhere. And active centering is fine on a long highway cruise but shitty when driving around town or back country roads.

[@davidjernigan8161]

Screens are a stupid idea as they can and will fail, and are expensive to repair if the parts are available.

[@JohnDoe-ht5iw]

As expensive as new cars are everything should be free, a lot of features that they want to charge you for was free just a few years ago???

[@revivecleaning399]

Vehicles from the early 2000s just seem to be more solid and simpler to fix.

[@christianglaude6659]

The problem with one pedal drive is that the brake light doesn't turn automatically on on all regen settings. Hyundai ionic 5 is a perfect example.

[@knightwing4]

As far as the tech question goes, yes there is too much technology. When it affects what kind of bulbs you can put in your headlights, it’s too much. Some things don’t need to be that difficult. Same thing with the screen. That’s part of the reason I would never buy something like a Cybertruck. If I’m wearing gloves or even if I’m not, in my Ram I can just reach over at a glance and adjust what I need to adjust. I don’t need to take my eyes off the road for it. Also I don’t want to look at my center stack just for the speedometer or other basic things like that.

[@andrewshenton6541]

I agree with Tommy,big vertical looks horrible,and Toyotas tablet stuck there is very distracting

[@revivecleaning399]

Daily driving with turbo lag is stupid. It's not about power, nobody's using the peak of the power curve all the time, but that turbo lag trying to get in and out of traffic is a nightmare.

[@LloydSwartz-i4m]

I assumed we would be talking reliability more. I mean even Toyota is in crisis.

[@JimmyShields-z2h]

Foggy driving hasn't improved just like low light especially driving into sun i slow down because birds or kangaroos are hiding in shadows that you can't see. I hate not how expensive cars are now but years later unexpectedly the cost you incurred because airbags clock spring fail, now you up for $700 replacement plus it need be done straight away to pass roadworthy which has happened to me this year. Roadworthy was $1100 plus airbag, imagine all safety features fail it could cost you $5000. Mind you my airbag was on recall for 3 years before i got it replace because supply issue, i reckon car companies need be hold responsible with these safety features. One more thing that annoyed me is forcing emissions yet not government dont help situation like Adblue here in Australia breaks down above 32oC which blocks up, our diesel is not up to spec, i added extra filter, water filter, i am all for efficient clean emissions but not at expensive bill for consumers.

[@RedHawkish]

all shifters should be on the column, or else it's a manual. Then free up that middle space between seats for storage.

[@greentruth89]

Paying a subscription on a car would make me feel like i don't fully own it. If I purchased a car, I want all the features it's capable of doing to available at all time at no extra cost.

[@christianglaude6659]

Hi TFL Could you please send this video to ALL car manufacturers ? 🙏🙏🙏

[@phillipw2493]

People will have to ask how much will it be to repair after warranty or when the screen fails after warranty no more easy repair or after owners keep vehicles past 10 years

[@JogBird]

giant rims + ppl who curb their wheels

[@Monty-ko3zi]

Other than the few that actually camp. Most people will never touch their headlights. 99% of people that complain about it now being in the screen leave theirs in auto mode and never touch them anyway.

[@Dusdaddy]

Agreed. I arrive at camp in the dark all the time. I never reach in and turn my headlights on. They really don't help unloading the back. A rear cargo lamp does which is always a separate switch anyway.

[@showmemorefunthings9208]

I use my headlights all the time to flash/signal/warn oncoming traffic of hazards/slowed traffic. Also, to signal to semi trucks that it's safe to get over in front of me. I'm not sure how that is accomplished in vehicles with headlight functions in a computer screen and if they actually have a steering wheel stalk to flash/signal to another driver, then what money is a manufacturing company really saving? It seems to me that it's an unnecessary and potentially unsafe change for the sake of change.

[@James-il3tq]

What about flashing people warning of danger ahead or if they left their brights on? I like driving with parking lights on cloudy days to improve visibility. I've also found auto high beam feature to be ever so bad and inaccurate on my Rav4. You're thinking in theory, not reality.

[@jlgro2065]

Pedestrians need to pay attention where they’re walking instead of looking where they’re going.

[@James-il3tq]

They're looking at their phones which is biggest cause of pedestrian fatalities

[@DampNoodles]

It's fun how the conversation has been the same since we invented the car. When we put seat belts in cars everything cried and moaned about how unnecessary it is and codling people. Now it's just screens and blind spot monitoring.

[@447Film]

Hate my mom's new Highlander. Screens everywhere and stupid programs

life moves onward and upward and tech is moving life in that direction wether we like it or not.. imagine those people who rode horses and then saw the first cars and voiced opposition to anything new..

[@christianglaude6659]

For subscription, if it be a fix cost ,id probably be better with it , but paying every month doesn't make sense. When they got the upgrade for the Ford Ranger Raptor,it was a fix cost , not s subscription, because it would of been ridiculous 😂

[@Dusdaddy]

One big question Tommy: So, what's the answer? Did the experts overall feel cars are getting worse or not? Lots of examples but no summary.

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

Another thing that sucks about screens is that ... roads in my state are terrible. Frost heaves are a bitch. Being able to hit an icon on a screen with your finger while bouncing around like a jumping bean is so. f*cking. infuriating.

[@MDchaz]

Buttons good, screens bad

[@tomclams3689]

Even if new cars are more reliable they cost to much to fix to much tech.

[@rk-xv4km]

Ford did turbos after hiring Dr Gerhard Schmidt away from BMW in the late 1990's. He is credited with bmw having the worlds best engines. He was put in charge of Ford powertrain engineers.

[@7106jazz]

Tech only works if it does what it was intended to do. The Nissan safety features really scare me!

[@Nyc_wolfpack]

I'm honestly looking for older cars. The way they are made nowadays is not appealing to me.

[@technom3598]

Omg yes. Engines are exploding on new cars all over the map. Including my power wagon!

[@jeffstuebben3308]

I hate the screens, stop with all the technology! Most of the driver aids are too sensitive and are distracting at best and dangerous in most cases, don’t trust self driving or lane centering, what happens in snow or rain and the lines are gone…..

[@christianglaude6659]

Cost?? How big do their yacht have to be ? 🤦

[@luis.capsalot8124]

I hate the start stop tech ! Very annoying !!!!

[@rk-xv4km]

Just talk to the car....." hey Google set temperature to 70 degrees" or whatever you want. Journalist should be doing this every test drive.

[@James-il3tq]

Some peoples don't like every word they speak being collected and that data sold. No thanks.

[@tomlivesay8407]

SCREW SCREENS!!!!

[@JohnDoe-ht5iw]

It's still a form of cruise control and should be free!

[@Dusdaddy]

What should?

[@SweeneyJeffreyJ]

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it

[@RareGenXer]

The new Mustang interior is a disaster

[@johnstapler5956]

New vehicles are junk. Wait till all those screens die with no replacements available

[@Kahless00]

Progress is about getting better. Capitalism is about hoarding money so you have to increase the price of your wares while making them cheaper to build.

[@Evan_Land]

While capitalism isn’t perfect, its better than every alternative.

[@brohammer]

That is not what capitalism is about