The New Ford Expedition Is Here! Is The Price Increase Worth It? Tough Questions Answered!

[@malifestro3319]

Sales is not the same as demand. All that we should be talking about is where demand is going. If the demand is still there for these vehicles then it is usually design, cost, or content. I think we know if it is one of those, what the likely problem is. Tommy's comment at 11:28 about screen is spot on. I actually think the lack of physical controls and the addition of screens is CHEAP not expensive. Ford Expedition owners average ownership is 10+ years. So owners love them. I have a 2016 that I have lifted, added new Bilstein's shocks, swapped rear springs to hold +800 lbs, towing mirrors, new IC, 5 star tune, 33" e load tires, and more. I love it. I've built a super duty Expedition. I don't think I'll get rid of it. I've even considered just replacing the engine and interior if they wear out. It is nice inside without being too nice so it wears and wipes down well too. A flat 7-8 foot from gate to seats inside. Very underrated vehicle.

[@Evan_Land]

The price of this vehicle simply reflects (as a national average) the reality that many people making good money still live beyond their means. If a family brings in $150,000 a year and spends $170,000 a year, it doesn’t matter how much you make, you’re going to feel like you’re behind financially.

[@manuelguzmanjr6622]

My wife and I have a 2018 Expedition MAX. groceries don't roll out from trunk, it has ambient lighting inside with colors, engine is still 6 speed twin turbo, we purchased it almost 2 years ago, no major issues, just maintenance, rides great, lots of cargo for passengers and luggage, so I am not so convinced, just because it has a tailgate, and new dash justifies to trade in my 2018. We purchased ours with 37K miles, now has a little over 80K and runs great! Ford may be losing money pretty soon if they don't start selling more affordable vehicles.

[@6788tappleton]

You must live in a flat world. I can't unload my groceries unless I back in cuz they will all be in the road

[@manuelguzmanjr6622]

@@6788tappleton It is understandable that if you are unloading groceries in an inclined position items will roll out. Now if your groceries are tumbling down, I can only think your driveway up to your home is inclined and not leveled. My house is in top of a hill I have to drive upward about 60 feet high, however when I reach up to my garage it is leveled, no need to back in. You could use cardboard boxes and save yourself 100k plus on a new expedition. I may purchase this new 2025 when it is 2 years old. Hee hee.

[@MJ-fj9yv]

@@6788tappletonno, they are just not as unhealthy and broken as you. Go get a mini van, and old people sneakers 😂

[@6788tappleton]

@MJ-fj9yv wtf are you talking about bro. I live in the mountains. Health has absolutely nothing to do with groceries falling out on the incline. Go back to kindergarten and learn to read.

[@6788tappleton]

@MJ-fj9yv old people sneakers come over here and let me show you what my red wings can do i walk over 10 miles a day for my job keyboard warrior

[@jnmaher1967]

It would be great to have an option to exclude the 3rd row seats. Save on cost, increase weight capacity and towing.

[@Mopar1]

Getting rid of the 3rd row might only save 200 pounds. Not a giant difference to get rid of them. Just fold them flat and you’re good to go

[@66skate]

If you don't need the 3rd row for seating or fold them down for cargo, moving down to the Explorer would save a lot of money.

[@6788tappleton]

​@@66skatehe mention higher towing and weight capacity. Something the explorer can't touch

[@jimsomerville3924]

If they had a bench front row, that would be great.

[@alark79]

I do like the split gate. I never understood that going away. My 94 Buick wagon has a split gate with dual action tailgate. Brilliant! Not a Ford guy, but overall I like the changes. I didn't think I would, but after seeing it, the upper screen seems like a good idea. That price tag though, oofta!

[@1987DodgeDakota]

Owned a 2019 XLT new. 30k miles rear brakes were gone, 35k the shocks leaked all their fluid and failed, 45k CAM phasers failed and the engine sounded like a diesel. 54k the CDF drum in the transmission failed and was required a full replacement. Engine and transmission issues put it off the road for months. This car was so pooly engineered, and faulty. I will never own another Ford expedition. I used to own a Taurus, Freestyle and F150, they were great carss. Today these cars are poor quality. Same on you ford. I sold my 2019 expedition and bought a chevy van with the 6.6l v8. Hopefully it will be a better experience. Chevy has its own issues with lifters failing and such. Overall i just had a terrible experience with Ford and they lost a customer by not taking care of me. Too many issues

[@waynewallace2061]

We need vehicles with fewer features and lower prices.

[@66skate]

Prius

[@MJ-fj9yv]

@@66skate😂

[@timwoody3835]

I think moving from 6 trims to 4 was a good decision. It will make manufacturing more efficient and could also result in improved quality. I agree with Tommy about the wheels. I’d be happy with 18 inches. Column shift with current shift by wire is just a dial with a lever attached. It is all just a matter of preference. The additional cost is likely two things: 1) inflation, and 2) elimination of the bare bones base XL trim.

[@stevekniess3665]

Yup, do not like the dial shifter ram 1500 has it and man I did not get used to it. Lol was always reaching for a column shifter

[@atg1338]

Oh its so hard to twist a knob.... give me a break

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

@@atg1338it is when you have carpel tunnel or arthritis…..

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

@@atg1338it is extremely difficult with carpal tunnel or arthritis….

[@pajamatime5750]

@@atg1338It’s terrible. No one said it was “hard” to do bud. I drive a 2024 Ram for work. It’s unresponsive, decides to not work every now and then and just generally a terrible design….

[@atg1338]

@@pajamatime5750 oh no lil buddy has to turn a knob to shift😢😢

[@redlinecleaningservices2955]

Looked at a 2024 Expedition King Ranch Max with all options - MSRP $91,550 Ordered a 2025 model with all options standard - MSRP $89,565

[@chriscallahan5008]

As a family of 6, these suvs are just way too expensive for a big family to buy new. Not only do they have to buy a little bigger house which costs more now then add on these suvs costs something has to give. I would love the tremor version in about 5 years when it’s less than half the price of a new one.

[@kennedyracing7527]

They to start lowering the prices as we move into the depression

[@is6566]

I am listening for these predictions for almost five full years now. Meanwhile, me and my family purchased 6 new vehicles and put over 100,000 miles on them and still driving 5 of them. On average I bough each of them well under MSRP at a time when that seemed impossible if you listened to KZbin. Three of them are my long term forever vehicles. If I have waited then life would pass by.

That was predicted about a decade ago, it was BS then and BS now.

[@JCWWRacing905]

Nice job Andre and Tommy. A lot of cool stuff happening with the Expe. Some good, some bad. I’m limping around in my 05 Expedition so it’s more like watching an art piece instead of a usable item for most people I feel like.

[@scottyrides8483]

Looks like it still has the securicode keyless buttons!

[@66skate]

A couple of things they broke in the update process are putting the drive mode switch in the same spot the headlight switch has occupied for ages. Steering wheel controls is the other. There was no need to move those. You may get used to them in time, but are you the only driver? Someone especially that owns another Ford product and seldom drives this may get confused. Otherwise, not much to complain about.

[@ScantyMantis989]

The outside looks great, tremer package is great, the dash is doodoo

[@jeffhaddox2239]

Why not ask the engineer about light switches on the screen?

[@diesel6916]

He didn't even ask about the tire size on the Tremor

[@wp31144]

The back looks so awkward…to each their own! Love the split tailgate…Andre, if you get the opportunity can you specifically ask the designers why a gloss black tailgate, when we all know it will be a spiderweb mess of scratches? We need to start pressure testing these bizarre choices on off-road trims (including Toyota with the their wheel well gloss black trim on Gen 6 4Runner)

[@mkat740]

I just bought a 2024 exp max limited for 86 gs they took off 6515 on msrp. Then they wanted 5750 for 72 months platinum warranty and 1450 for tire and wheel. I got them to drop warranty to 4000 and tire and wheel to 900. I had a suburban 6.2 2020 had lifter tick then dealer put in new moor and burned the vehicle up to a crisp in test drive. Total loss. GM would not help me any I had to use my insurance. so I went to ford and bought said vehicle.

[@briancavanaugh7604]

11:28 100% agree, it's a cheap co-op. If it's ILLEGAL to fiddle with one's phone while driving, as it is in 99% of places, how the heck is having to take your eyes off the road to fiddle with a fooking screen to do something simple like wipers, volume, climate any different? Not all of us want tesla wannbees for rides, if we did we would own tesla ffs.

[@shoveI]

"sales are down" yeah the median **household** income is 70k/yr. Cars are better than ever before but they're also more unattainable than ever before, for most people. I don't think that trajectory has much of a future. It's funny to hear Tommy use the analogy of a cheap watch having a screen and a super high end one being analog.. I've been using that exact one for years and I'm glad to hear the sentiment repeated by others.

[@briancavanaugh7604]

yup at this rate an expy base will be 120K within a decade, ffs.

[@briandonald]

I like that color.

[@travise8008]

I’m a little shocked there isn’t a powerboost option, I’d buy it if there was one!

[@c7u3676]

$100k+?

[@travise8008]

@@c7u3676 maybe but like my 24’ f150 I got the powerboost in an XLT for 56k and I average 22 MPG. So if they offered it as an option in the base Active they would sell thousands.

[@Jay-bw3fl]

Sure ya would

[@jimm7165]

I was ready to trade my '23 limited for a '25 PowerBoost. Nope

[@DWCONSTRUCTION]

A lot of DNA of Tahoe and Yukon I also would like to see a naturally aspirated V8 and I think why the sales are down is because of the price hikes. The manufacturers are seeing these models have stuffed huge profit margins built into them.

[@Silverback_GMT410]

Ford actually teased lights in the grille for the Explorer Timberline but I never saw them as an option or equipped in real life.

[@Nate-zy5ce]

I love the 10.6" road clearance of this Expedition Tremor. Apparently the Platinum and another of the trims come with adjustable air ride suspension. What are the heights of the air ride suspension, base, 4H and 4L levels, do you know? I love the luxury 40/20/40 leather bench seats of the Platinum, but the road clearance of the Tremor. And if that Stealth package you mentioned means all black, I assume exterior only, can you get that on all the trims, the Tremor especially but Platinum too?

[@KevinLaswisis]

This be super for Uber Drivers as 6 in comfort nice the middle seat in the 3rd row folds as a arm rest too 😊

[@damienyee7289]

no sun shades for rear rows?

[@is6566]

At this point on the price curve of vehicles, no price increase worth it.

[@briancavanaugh7604]

At this rate, 6K a year, we will see a base level expy going for 120,000 in a decades, UNSUSTAINABLE! ffs

[@flamesfan2635]

Lexus LX numbers are down because people have seen that Lexus can design a beautiful SUV (GX 550). Everyone was waiting for the LX refresh to get rid of that FUGLY grill. Instead, we get the LX 700...

[@greg5856]

New excursion please!

[@MJ-fj9yv]

I am gonna say it! NOT ENOUGH SCREENS…WE DEMAND MORE.

[@claybford]

50:20 glad you like it 😉

[@adamtacheira5323]

As an Eexcursion owner, I truly believe if Ford built a new Super Duty based Excursion, the folks would buy it. Same engine line up as Super Duty. Think of the government uses alone. I’ll take mine with a 6.7 high output. Come on Ford. GM stopped the Suburban 2500. It would be a class of its own.

[@mkyhou1160]

Dash is horrible, beyond hideous. Looks like an old Prius with the recessed speedo. The rounded bits give me vibes of a Taurus station wagon from the 90s, give it a few years and it will probably rattle the same. Love Ford, but this is a mess, why couldn’t they have done a classy integration like the new Armada?

[@saddist1Gtown]

That's a nice-looking truck it will take sales from the Tahoe

[@atg1338]

It never has and that dash is hideous 🤢

@@atg1338 "It never has and that dash is hideous 🤢" = I'm a GM fanboy and in denial.

[@saddist1Gtown]

@@atg1338 Your point is?

[@atg1338]

Fanboy? You are an ignorant child

[@atg1338]

@@saddist1Gtown if i need to explain you must be brain dead

[@RobertCoulter-dg1qf]

buy bumper to bumper extended coverage..........

[@aggiewoodie]

Depending on debt and other factors, recommended household income to buy an $80-100K vehicle is $120K+…assuming 2 vehicles, call it $200K+…that’s nearly 11M households…that’s plenty to sell as many of these vehicles as manufacturers want. They no longer want to sell more cheaper vehicles; they want to sell fewer- requiring fewer workers and overall capital- more expensive vehicles. To paraphrase a Porsche exec from years back, an entry level vehicle is a used vehicle.

[@Dutchcoffee761]

Very good point, however do Americans(in mass) see these as luxury products worthy of the price tag ? We will see

[@aggiewoodie]

@@Dutchcoffee761 3M cars over $80K sold in US last year. Ford sold 74K Expeditions, up 18% over 2022. Interestingly, in US, a lot of higher income people don’t like German luxury cars- feel they come across as too flashy/ostentatious.

[@sculder7]

Why didn’t yall ask about the IIHS ratings? Seems kind of important for families, esp with this family hauler. Is it better with this 2025 model? Because the expedition basically failed with the 2024 and below models.

[@nathanlewis3462]

Would be an amazing vehicle to use...if anyone could afford it🤦‍♂️ Guess we'll stick with our explorer!

[@briankeithwood]

I wondered why the new ford trucks weren't the F50 (maverick), F100 (ranger), F150 - F550...

[@williamcotten4539]

A hybrid system could absolutely help with CAFE numbers. Why Will manufacturers not design and manufacture what works instead of just what they THINK everyone will buy? Dealership lots are proof that the big EXPENSIVE trucks and SUVs aren’t moving.

[@Kahless00]

Just make the 7.3 gas engine a expedition max only option.

[@engineeringVirtue]

Payload?

[@ryansheard8092]

Love the new design. The Tremor trim would be my choice assuming the payload and towing capacity are decent on it.

[@Le_Royaliste_Perlino]

Same headlights for every model, all LED Reflectors, very Tahoe like design in the rear, black partial tailgate on some models, a knockoff Range Rover split tailgate with “Suite” Seating but instead of nice speakers, lights, and leather cushions; it’s just plastic on the ford, with a Fisher Price tailgate table 😂. And to top it all off, the interior looks sooooo bad, the ridiculous screens just for the sake of it, and that steering wheel. Like come on. Coming from someone who owns a ‘23 Super Duty and has a ‘25 Range Rover Full-Size on order.

[@Tbar24]

Other new refreshed suvs look better. Like the Tahoe/Suburban/Yukon and the Armada/QX80. Sequoia. Heck the Navigator too maybe. Ford went too far with some changes imo.

[@6788tappleton]

Problem with the armada qx80 is it's brand new engine untested. Never know how that's gonna be.

[@ariescorner7655]

They won't sell that many. I already don't see a lot of expeditions on the road.

[@chaarleess]

Maybe it isn’t as popular in your area as other cities like New York

[@ariescorner7655]

@@chaarleess I do suppose in areas where housing is so expensive a $60,000 car isn’t a big deal that would be the case. It’s just not most of America.

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

I’m not trading in my Yukon until they bring back full sized SUVs with V8s column shifters and two doors….so never

[@pajamatime5750]

You’ll be keeping your Yukon for a LONNNNNG time!

[@jonmanuelreyes7588]

Congratulations Ford for copying the 2012 Honda Pilot 😄😄😄

[@fantomtuba]

TFL NEEDS to offroad test the 24'' rims.

[@freedomisntfree_44]

24 foot rims!

[@ryansheard8092]

Why? That's not what they are designed for. The Tremor is designed for off-road.

[@visof30]

At this point buying a $100k vehicle to only last 5 years due to all the screens and complex technology is just insane. I can’t imagine the cost of ownership from 5-10 years or more.

[@johnmorris77]

The tech doesn’t fail at 5 years

[@phild9813]

Yeah. The price increase will never be worth it ever again for a new auto.

[@hourbee5535]

The prices keep going up, but people keep buying these things. What's going on?

[@bikerevolutiontv]

If I nod my head enough and don't comb my hair, can I get Tommy's job?

[@brendanenon864]

Run Andre, that guy is an alien! What a bizarre speech pattern and accent.

[@6788tappleton]

What are talking about

[@maccooley3451]

Recalls on it in 3…2…1…

This is not the CyberFllop.

[@spacerock84]

Can’t you just change all of these controls via voice recognition? “Headlights On” like George Jetson ha

[@Tbar24]

Changing the headlights operation to the screen is the dumbest idea of dumb ideas!! If it’s really cost savings then where are the actual savings for us the consumers!!! And I’ll be shocked if this rides well on models with 24s. And damn that base price, geez!

[@Vox-Populi]

Vote for Harris and the prices will keep going up😊

[@Kahless00]

You failed high school economics too huh.

[@is6566]

Unfortunately, probably Harris didn’t even take that class and we know that Waltz would say he was TEACHING high school economics but in reality he was only in the building on a different day of the week when economics was taught by someone else. He would later say he is just a knucklehead and misspoke.

[@dtzeel]

EPA currently plans to regulate large gas powered vehicles so they become cost prohibitive. That's a fact.

[@chaarleess]

Other countries outside the US is significant more expensive

[@YAOZYVIDEO]

Liberals don't even need this SUV, as homosexuals won't even have kids.

[@AnthonyMaxfield-l9q]

Alex Lane

[@nm-qt2hb]

So after years of people loving all the bling and hightech, now we complain about the price of these vehicles?😂😂

[@flight2k5]

Yep

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

Tesla ruined the automotive industry in so many ways.

[@paulieprinceton4550]

It's probably a combination of the increased price and decreased QC. Ford makes junk these days.

[@mkyhou1160]

With fewer buttons to manufacture and wire, it should be cheaper not more.

[@Kahless00]

Because we're getting charged space age prices for the same tech you can get in a cell phone a decade ago for 600. But essentially these are very basic box vehicles and they're charging ridiculous prices.

[@Jay-bw3fl]

The constant crying about shifters is absurd lol when a transmission is digital there is no reason to continue taking up space with fake shifters. Everyone loves to complain about fake air vents and exhausts and having a fake shifter is the same thing.

[@chaarleess]

Nobody’s happy about everything nowadays

[@tinhinnh]

I don’t like the drl’s - it looks like a gmc!

[@bizzfo]

What’s up with the “Smiley Face Frontend Grills” these days? First the Chevy\GMC Silverado\Sierra then this?

[@briancavanaugh7604]

So a $6000 price increase bringing the base model entry level price to 61 and change. So using these numbers a decade from now we can expect, assuming similar price increases each year, of $120,000 for a base expedition? FFS. Do the same math on the Mavericks price increases since introduced and those will be at 50K in no time. NOT SUSTAINABLE.

[@aggiewoodie]

I’ve owned 6 Fords in the last decade. We’re getting ready to upgrade to something larger for our family of 5 and I’d love to got an Expedition but the twin turbo V6 just gets atrocious mpg- we had an ‘18 and it got 16 mpg. Would’ve been nice for new Expedition to go hybrid, though I just drive an F-150 hybrid 500 miles and averaged just 21-22…we’ll probably end up going for the diesel Chevy or GMC.

[@johnmorris77]

3.0 duramax. Any other engine will get 18 max. Mine gets 25 average

[@jamesclapp6940]

NO V-8 NO SALE!

[@stevekniess3665]

Isn't there a 700 hp engine in the newer f150? Thanks guys.

[@pajamatime5750]

In the Raptor R there’s a 720 supercharged V8…. What’s your point? Ya think Ford should throw that in an Expedition????

[@jayhiggins5239]

Before the intro add is complete. NO

[@frankc5739]

With only 2:31 into the video I can assure you it’s way overpriced. For crying out loud overall new vehicle sales are down because of insane increases since Covid, interest rates and yet most if not all manufacturers increase prices on all new models. They should be lowering prices. How’s about trying that. Remove all the latest that tech that majority of buyers never use and drop them +20% and I bet they will sell more vehicles to compensate for these continued ridiculous price increases.

[@DarthNero]

These companies since covid had said their profit margins are better when they sell expensive vehicles with few quantities than sell an affordable one via high quantities.

[@josemiguel8149]

LOL no

[@dentman67]

They did a great job. It's a shame they'll sell about 6 of them. Way too overpriced.

[@Matteo-xm6xo]

No.

[@JoseGomez-iq6hw]

But he never touch durability ford are garbage… and the front lights looks like gmc sierra

[@derrickschultz6871]

The Tremor always brought on special offroad equipment like a torsion front differential and upgraded suspension. This Tremor is purely assthetics, like the timberline was accused of having. This doesnt even have special front hooks or skid plate like the Explorer Timberline has. Well i guess the Tremor isnt that special anymore, and its just for looks

[@pajamatime5750]

It does have skid plates though….

[@aggiewoodie]

‘24 Chevy/GMC sales ticked down bc much updated ‘25 hits lots this quarter.

[@texandy89]

I would just get a Ford Excursion in my opinion

[@DarthNero]

Are you suggesting those thinking to spend 90k on a new large SUV should just buy a 20 yrs old excursion instead? Because there is no new ones available.

[@texandy89]

@DarthNero You want to pay for a expensive vehicle or rather have something you can afford? So what if the Excursion is 20 years old? I bet you can find one in good shape for less than a expensive vehicle. Yes, I recommend buying a 20 year old vehicle who gives a flying F that's a lame and stupid idiotic comment.

[@pajamatime5750]

@@DarthNeroYeah, I’m confused too…. Does he mean Ford should produce the excursion again?

[@texandy89]

@DarthNero I'm talking for the people who don't think it should be way over priced that's the Navigator the Expedition should not be at Navigator prices. I'm speaking to those who don't want to pay for an expensive large SUV that is way too much tech. I myself if I had a family you damn right I would get an Excursion over the Expedition. I doubt that people today actually do want and need people today just buy shit because they want it not because they need.

[@texandy89]

Blame the geeks for putting the headlights switch in the screen geeks at Ford should be fired for a stupid idiotic idea. Just buy a Ford Excursion over the Expedition

[@atg1338]

Who the f cares about the headlights not having a switch when they come on automatically. People bitch about the dumbest 💩.

[@rudymoralesjr]

As a tech guy in the IT industry: no, there are some of us that don't like the oversized touchscreen, simple functions locked behind menus requiring multiple taps to get to, and digital gauges either.

[@RustySprocket]

Every new vehicle is trash. Way overpriced for a bunch of shit nobody wants.