That Gun in Every Game

[@mr.bubbles.9311]

another important thing to consider is the fact that game developers have to worry about lawsuits from gun companies for using their products. Kriss, unlike alot of gun companies, are very friendly towards game developers and allow them to use the Vector in games for free.

[@TheRealKingKapow]

The people at Kriss USA are chads for that

[@raptonsoul2557]

One of the best marketing strategies in the industry

[@civilianuseonly]

@@mr.bubbles.9311 Uncommon thing from a gun company but much appreciated

[@TheLukas9922]

Not in all cases. For example Tarkov has a ton of real gun brands and there is no knlowledge if they pay for licenses or not

[@mr.bubbles.9311]

@@TheLukas9922 They do pay for the licenses in Tarkov

[@404Yon]

The P90 and Kriss Vector are the definative "future" SMGs in movies/games.

[@scorpionscorpion9162]

The Calico SMG crying in the corner

[@eey2924]

also cz scorpion evo 3

[@scorpionscorpion9162]

@@eey2924 thats the goat

Don't forget the G36 lol.

[@PequodM4A1]

The FN2000 and the XM8 look futuristic enough.

[@ReboyGTR]

*Another gun that shows up way too often in games is the Desert Eagle.* To quote Ahoy: *”It’s expensive, too heavy and almost entirely impractical.”*

[@niceman3706]

10mm is .357 in mag fed form while .50ae is .44

[@CasabaHowitzer]

So what? I don't see how this makes it an unsuitable gun for a video game.

[@wallcreeper5327]

​@@CasabaHowitzer For video games, it's an icon of compact, handheld, power that only the most skilled can wield with successful headhunts. In reality, it is an expensive paperweight that even the manufacturer decided to stop making them.

[@CasabaHowitzer]

@@wallcreeper5327 I'm not going to repeat myself.

[@wallcreeper5327]

Oh sheeeeeit. Pinged you instead of the first guy by accident.

[@saibot1246]

-Oh yeah Vector

[@Blahaj_IKEA]

"Because I'm committing crimes, with both direction and magnitude. OH YEAH" -Kriss

[@jacextreme6432]

GODDAMNIT

[@seamali4383]

Lmfaooooo 😂😂😂😂😂

[@yolololmanm3308]

3:09 "So, how effective is it?" *blurred image* "very effective" XD

[@PurposefullyIneloquent]

Right? What was that?

[@thanhhaitran9422]

Someone magdump a vector, but youtube being youtube, he had to censored it. ​@PurposefullyIneloquent

[@darksars3622]

@@thanhhaitran9422 youtube = P***ys

[@RusticRonnie]

@@thanhhaitran9422 it is not just KZbin.... its Illegal to full-auto unless you have a licence, and assuming it was him in the video... its best to not open that can of worms even if you have the licence to use it. because you dont want to dox yourself

[@ApocalypseMoose]

The SPAS-12 was too heavy and too complicated for police use (its intended market), and thus, it wasn't adopted by very many agencies. So, by most accounts, the SPAS was a failure. Yet even as recently as this year in MW3, the SPAS is still appearing everywhere. Real-life practicality and usage will NEVER trump just being badass and cool.

[@xpyrov]

spas 12 will always have a special place in my heart either way

[@InfraredScale]

SPAS 12 is one of the best examples of cool factor in video games. Most games have it with the stock folded and set to pump action mode. That's is completely impractical and makes the gun near unusable in real life, but it looks cool and that's all that matters

[@g11operator]

Spas 12 is awesome as stated by a half life player

[@TH3SHUR1F]

IIRC, MP5 checks both categories

[@amogoose2971]

dont forget the desert eagle which is unpractical in real-world scenario but still considered "the badass pistol" in most games

[@Blahaj_IKEA]

The Christopher Velocity is one of my favourite guns

[@avocadoc1292]

Ah yes, the Kristoff Momentum

[@engie3953]

The Christian Victorian

[@DarkestGames86]

SMH Columbus Inertia better 😒 just wait till they buff it in the next decade

[@L2EAG]

i prefer the cristmas speed

[@Ember34]

bro the legal name😭

[@callsigncoyote7931]

I just got a 9mm Vector last month and even that it’s heavier than my AR, I absolutely love it I think Henry from 9-Hole reviews said it best, it should’ve been marketed as a PDW, not an SMG.

[@civilianuseonly]

@@callsigncoyote7931 Vectors aee stupid heavy

[@evosteff]

PDW's are designed to be light weight and compact. SMG is more befitting

[@RyuTheAsian47]

​@@evosteff Henry's take on it was while it's good as a duty SMG, it's real strength is as a compact vehicle born PDW since it's quite compact with minimum snag points and can carry 57 rounds with decently easy attachment mounting.

[@simonaspalovis1204]

The Vector and the ACR were basically holding hands as they made their debut in video games as "the future weapons".

[@K0nner]

Another reason I've heard the Vector is in lots of games is copyright. From what I've heard, companies like HK will sure for using their guns. This is why mp5's in videogames are modeled slightly different than HK's patent. Kriss USA however, encourage videogames to add the Kriss vector to their games.

[@ThePhoenixScribe]

Dang, that's actually pretty cool to know.

[@ThatOneDude12-M25]

Kriss USA are absolute CHADS for doing that. I’m using the vector more now

[@nikobellic8002]

That's actually quite nice of them.

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

For the same reason the F-2000 and PP-19 Bizon are seen is so many video games, cause it's cool and looks futuristic. As you mentioned, all submachine guns have become a rare sight, as they don't really stack up to rifle caliber carbines, so this video could basically apply to all of them. In video games, submachine guns generally deal equal damage to assault rifles, despite shooting pistol bullets which wouldn't pierce any body armor from the military settings they appears in.

[@Keyboardmasher1]

my little child brain never understood the PP-19 bizon

[@catpurrito5586]

video games rifle rounds often have better armor penetration and 5.56 rounds arent that damaging irl

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

@@catpurrito5586 Enough to drop you quite easily even if you wear armor. Armor generally isn't considered in video games and even if it was, 5.56 at the close range video games always take place, will hurt you enough to put you out of combat. I've seen Ukrainians and Russians get hit by 5.45 and 5.56, the bruises they leave even if they don't go through is quite impressive. Let's not forget that in video games, you generally play as ultra elite soldiers, who will have access to armor piercing ammo.

[@BLLACKSTTAR]

Funnily enough, the Kriss Vector is highly popular in real life too, just not in the "real steel" way. I live in Queensland, Australia. Airsoft is illegal here. However, gelsoft, which is just airsoft with gel "orbeez" for ammunition, is completely legal here. The Kriss Vector gelsoft SMG is extremely popular in the gelsoft scene. You cannot go to a single skirmish without seeing at least one person rocking a Vector. I was one of those people. The Vector was my very first gelsoft gun. I loved it, until the gearbox shat the bed. I still want to get another one eventually, since I harvested all the upgrade parts from the dead Vector's corpse and still have them.

[@goatguythepowerful]

Why is Airsoft illegal?

[@BLLACKSTTAR]

@goatguythepowerful After the Port Arthur Massacre in 1996, guns in Australia got severe restrictions placed on them, and a lot got taken away from their owners. Unfortunately because the government here is braindead and doesn't understand what makes a firearm a firearm, airsoft got swept up in these restrictions too. Because of the restrictions making a firearms license required to own an airsoft gun, all fields lost money and shut down, essentially killing airsoft.

[@IndoGunsnGear]

Shot the Vector on my channel when I was on holiday in Thailand once. It was a unique experience, the trigger was quite light

[@murdurmuffin7872]

Some additional commentary on SMG's in general, as well as the Kriss Vector: 1) A major contributor to SMG's prevalence in games opposed to their IRL usefulness is inadequate simulation of armor and penetration mechanics. SBR's have nearly replaced SMG's in most use cases for two simple reasons. They share ammunition logistics and training requirements with the most common arms platform, the assault/auto rifle (M4, AK, HK416). By using an intermediate battle cartridge such as the 5.56x45mm or 7.62x39mm, SBR's also outperform SMG's in terms of kinetic energy delivered, penetration of body armor, and effective range. Most video games do not consider body armor penetration at all, and grossly distort "damage falloff" due to range or caliber. Making number hit zero fastest is often the only concern because a health value and damage value is often the only variables at play. 2) While the Kriss recoil redirection system may not be as effective as advertised, and introduce it's own reciprocation problems, I do believe there is strong evidence to suggest that the form factor of the Vector is a legitimate advancement. Take a look at the R-301 from Apex Legends and the Commando rifle from Halo: Infinite. I am extremely interested in seeing the development of a piston driven (like the AK or XM7), traditional or bullpup, intermediate carbine or battle rifle. The ergonomics are better, the manual of arms is simpler, the modularity is more opportunistic, and the mechanics are more reliable. We have seen the XM7 fire an extremely high pressure cartridge somewhere between 800-900rpm with VERY manageable recoil (for a CQB context). If we could combine those mechanical characteristics with the ergonomics of the straight slanted magazine and compactness of a foldable or collapsing PDW stock... I'd imagine we'd have the perfect CQB weapon. 3) Economics often cause innovation to move slowly. One of the major concerns of widespread adoption is the development cost, startup production cost, and generational improvement costs. Very few civilians can afford a semi-auto locked Kriss Vector or PS90. Militaries won't adopt "the real thing" until it's become reliable enough and sourcing is stable enough to warrant replacement of decades worth legacy tech, never mind performance. Video games don't have ANY of those problems, it's a digital asset that can be tweaked by editing numbers in a file and design issues largely ignored. PS: Someone please give me my dream gun, a bullpup R-301 firing .277 FURY at 810rpm with a conversion kit for 8.6BLK firing at 600rpm! Edit: PS#2 - An R-99 firing 5.7x28mm at 1200rpm seems pretty doable too. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

[@sagitta98]

Ah... This gun. Back then when Point Blank were a very popular Online FPS in Southeast Asia, this gun was so overpowered due its low recoil. Not just that, you can also do akimbo with this thing! No wonder back then if one of your teammates got one of these, someone would beg to swap and lend the weapon for a match.

[@Begunend20]

Dude! I used to play it! I was watching videos about it earlier today....ah the good old days.

[@saamsaam334]

gemschool era

[@gre2060]

oh man I miss that game so much,it was really popular in south america too

[@atomiic39]

1:39 BRO I THINK HE'S DEAD?

[@nikobellic8002]

Better to be sure.

[@Alpakkacz]

that hotline miami music at the start hit hard

[@Zachafinackus]

I love seeing the Kriss Vector in games, it's my favorite smg and I'd love to own one in real life. It's really the only firearm I want to have, even if it is not the greatest lol.

[@perspicacity89]

This is a really great video, thank you. You're like the tactical, and more firearms knowledgeable version of Ahoy.

[@SnappleRyRy89]

I Thought this was an Ahoy video on my newsfeed at first glance but as some other commenters have mentioned, I it feels like it. I know he makes them every now and then, but I hope to see you take up where he goes off and make more of these types later down the road.

[@Paulowpalace]

AA12 also fits the nightmare balancing dilemma

[@InfraredScale]

most games just have the bullets disappear after 5 meters to mitigate that problem

[@scottjs5207]

At least in the CoDs I've played, I've always found its OP status to be highly overexaggerated. Though I think it's one shot is always better than it should be, it's almost always outclassed by SMGs and even some ARs in CQB while the actual Shotgun category shoves it into the ground. Like don't get me wrong the sustained fire is GREAT, but it's always the biggest threat when paired with semi-competent teammates instead of its own merit.

[@Keyboardmasher1]

I love getting flamed in chat for using a AA-12 my beloved

[@realdragon]

How to balance nightmare gun Step 1: don't put gun in the game

[@SilverWolf3862]

the AA12 answers a simple question: "would you like your target dead, on fire, or both?" for a dragon breath AA12 the answer is both

[@SeizureSalad]

1. bullet hose/laser 2. looks fucking cool as shit need i say more

[@nikobellic8002]

Looks...weird. People criticize glock for it's blocky design but this looks like it's made from lego.

[@SeizureSalad]

@@nikobellic8002 i love the way the glock looks personally but then again might be because it's so iconic

[@jacklucas5908]

In every game. Other than Ready Or Not, unfortunately.

[@mr.bubbles.9311]

mods can fix that

[@scribleman4902]

What about tf2?

[@ramahikari1014]

What about Counter Strike?

[@InfraredScale]

What about Animal Crossing?

[@eustache_dauger]

Don't recall seeing this in Pokémon Red

[@cheater00]

that was a great video. going beyond just "pick this gun in that game" really served you well, this video showed up on my feed and I hope to see more like that from you. I don't really care about "is this gun good in ready or not" but real-life information about guns and its relationship to games is interesting.

[@civilianuseonly]

@@cheater00 Thank you

[@cheater00]

@@civilianuseonly yw buddy looking forward to new stuff! make sure your research is on point and you're not just reading off a wikipedia page. go to a library, look at old newspapers and rent out old show vhs tapes... try to find stuff that isn't easily found on the internet

[@FairyNya]

this is by far the most well edited video yet. nice improvements 👍 :3

[@CrackyCreates]

first round: dead on target second round: might be the same zip code

[@kotbb]

Very interesting video! Would like to see more like this about other unusual guns. Maybe AS Val?

[@00505De]

Perhaps the OTs-03 or Dragunov SVU as well?

[@spdr3470]

I’m not entirely sure how realistic it is in Tarkov, but it is one of my favorite weapons to use in game. Would love to try shooting one in real life.

[@SaltSpirits]

“That gun in every game” *proceeds to show game that requires modification to feature said gun immediately*

[@oscarguzman3017]

I first played with the vector in bo2. It was definitely one of my favorites. But it was balanced and was beat in firerate by the scorpion. Truly a perfect game.

[@neomubisa]

From experience, it's also very front heavy. My arms get tired af just holding the thing up.

[@m4cncheez675]

a big reason most firearms aren't widely adopted is cost. that is definitely true for the vector. it is a complex firearm with many parts, and well made. amongst professional groups that aren't large military's it can be hard to supply.

[@pyeitme508]

Yep the Kriss Vector SMG noice. Hope for video about the URG-I on M4A1 carbines used by US Army Special Forces operators AKA Green Berets & 75th Ranger Regiment? If possible talk about the Gray Zone Warfare game's arsenals?

[@thecoffeecurator]

i thought i was the only one that had a weird obsession with this guns design, looks like ive found my people. similarly to this gun i also am in love with the L11 or L96a1 sniper rifle. its the reoccurring sniper that has probably been featured in the most call of duty titles across the board. Just two all around beautiful designs

[@Chonkems]

Kriss, like Lockheed and SAAB, are more than happy to allow game devs to use their stuff in games. It's a nice way to approach the topic. They charge no licensing fee, and are quite friendly and willing to answer questions.

[@tortlemc709]

The video intro took me back to the incredible gun documentaries by 'Ahoy' ❤

[@carlhilber2275]

Wow it was probably only a few weeks ago that I was looking on forgotten weapons channel for something on the vector, which he surprisingly hasn't done a video on, and by coincidence this video comes out.

[@sneauxday7002]

It aint forgotten yet its still got its lil following

[@AdamSchadow]

You should look up the 9 hole review about the vector. The thing is by all means amazing even irl the main reason why its not used are the short assault rifles.

[@carltonsimmonsjr.5607]

I'm surprised not all gun companies want the free advertisement. Probably worth a couple million depending on the game. Maybe have a stipulation that it can't suck in game lol.

[@DeadFishFactory]

It's obvious that the Vector's unique look lends itself to being included despite rarely if ever being used in real life. There are a lot of submachine gun designs that look superficially like other submachine guns (usually the MP5, UMP45, MAC10, or Uzi), and when you want an interesting roster of guns, the way it looks is probably more important in videogames than its real-life usage. The Pancor Jackhammer and AA-12 also have the same reputation.

[@MaqicianMilk]

ngl vector is my favorite gun in games bro. The version i like most is the vector in COD Mobile with the duel perk

[@Operator588]

Obligatory Apple Pie!

[@MetaKuma-mv6gy]

i’m always impressed by how much care you put into each video!

[@arepupu]

Great vid! Enjoyed the editing and subject material. Also - wasn't expecting to see Stalker Anomaly here!

[@mangosfx]

Always been a sucker for this gun because of its crazy hyper-futuristic look, stupid fast RPM, and simple-genius mechanism. Bought a 2nd Gen 9mm Vector no more than 6 months ago and I dearly love it. Definitely not as reliable as something like an MP5 and it’s a bitch to service (I honestly just get it professionally cleaned because the guts are so annoying to work on) but god damn, always been one of my favorite guns since the moment I first saw it.

[@AJ_Sparten1337]

I own a 9mm Vector Gen II. It's very fun to shoot and does not have recoil. It's biggest downside (aside from the lack of a fun switch because F*** FOPA) is that its reliability to cycle is atrociously low if you do not consistently clean it. Most firearms start to have malfunctions due to carbon buildup after about 1000 rounds and those rounds can be fired over the course of weeks to months. That is when you should be forced to clean your weapon and lube it so that it can continue to cycle. The vector builds up carbon so fast that if you're not cleaning it after you're done shooting it that day, you'll have malfunctions the next day if you start to shoot it again; and you'll experience it after 500 rounds anyways. It's still one of my most favorite guns and is one of the most pleasant and enjoyable to shoot. Honestly, it's one of the best platforms for home defense.

[@fenrirsrage4609]

Ngl I do hope with how prevalent the Kriss Vector is games would also show off its very funky-looking prototype. Hell give me a Kriss Vector with a Kriss Bayonet

[@realdragon]

Thank you for that insightful video Tom Scott

[@topaziscringeverycringe8532]

Damm, really good video essay there. Keep up the good work! :D

[@notanaveragedoktah8390]

Using a Kriss Vector in every single game I play also makes me crave for apple pies...

[@TheRealKingKapow]

Does Ahoy have competition?

[@professorrutherford6383]

Fantastic video, very reminiscent of Ahoy at times.

[@nullvoid2560]

the vector, the glock and the M4 (and its variants) are pretty much omnipresent in modern games that have a large focus on using realistic guns

[@mate_to_build7024]

4:00 cant believe STALKER GAMMA is being showcased in a firearm video

[@LoafyNeverClear]

Your videos remind me of Ahoy and Im all for it

[@Аня-ь6п4й]

I found one interesting thing in my mind about vector smg its similar to concept of ppsh-41. Low recoil, high rate of fire and both had problems on the start of production. But vector is made more for profit and idea form and ppsh-41 made more for cost efficiency and numbers. This 2 smg are great for its times but vector is made in usa(higher cost of production for main problem of vector), need to fight for a place on market or gov. contract when in most of the countries that it try to fight have their smg that more robust and cheaper + its not giving money to usa more or less

[@decoyaccount6]

When it comes to SMGs I don't know why but the Kriss Vector is such a sexy firearm especially the gen 1 version just beautiful

[@abdusabbar6019]

I love that you showed stalker gamma!

[@PROGAMING24-pe2ye]

Fascinating

[@wack2161]

my dad got a kriss vector for home defense and its one of the nicest guns ive shot before because of the recoil mitigator

[@paintywig1159]

This somewhat reminds me of Ahoy's gun showcase videos, well done on the research

[@jay89452]

close enough, welcome back Ahoy.

[@Umbra_Nocturnus]

Army of TWO 2 probably had the most overpowered version of the Vector. We only called it "the loud one".

[@-Dreaming-Soul-]

W editing, idk how you do it

[@striderdev]

I saw the thumbnail before the title and thought this would a a SCP:SL video.

[@Favk21]

There's a reason why Vector has a 2-round burst... Brandon Herrera's video demonstrates that very well.

[@champagnesupernova1839]

"why is [insert bad gun here] in so many video games?" well, it looks cool, so there's that

[@thereddeads]

One of my all time favorite, can't help but gush about it when it is in a game. my fav variants is like either far cry 3/4 or COD

[@Nate_the_Nobody]

There is a mod for RoN that adds in a true Vector, it is stupid fun for missions where you just want to vrrrp and brrr your way to "bring order to chaos"

[@SauceBoy69]

Love the Hotline Miami song used.

[@NCVluminati]

the 45acp version according to Brandon Herrera is still too hard to control, the 9mm is still controllable though.

[@lag690]

Victor, r-99, fennec whatever you say, you'll recognize my favorite gun all the time.

[@Loolilol]

2:39 After twelve years in developpement, we hope it would have been worth the wait. -GabeN

[@selwrynn6702]

The Vector both looks & sounds cool, being super effective in video games is also nice, but I think that the first 2 reasons are the primary ones.

[@WarpSonic]

I think it's mostly because it looks cool af

[@itskyansaro]

In Games the Vector is just a badass fun gun. Loved the Silenced Version in Watchdogs 1, Sadly it only had a 20 round mag.

[@Mozetty]

i love the kriss vector one if my favorite Sub Machine Guns behinde the MP7. Ever sense ive seen an MP7 being shot as a kid ive always wanted one

[@wiztek1197]

Vaas has been awfully silent since this gun showed up

[@itsmilan4069]

my friends clowned upon me for using vector at the beginning but I find it suit my play style and seeing my performance with a vector they specifically look out for it while we drop in rank match

[@Kr_The_Lynx]

Vector my beloved

[@AdzimHere]

another thing is that game are design to be "fun" so they make it practical. sometimes when the dev try to make the gun realistic, the player complain about the recoil or sumthn. so they just make it practical by reducing recoil or make ads more accurate. its more practical

[@tycoonjeffyboyMkII]

Everyone loves the Vector; it’s literally just America in a compact form. The M1A1 Thompson was famous as the .45 gun that “kills the soul” in WWII, and the Vector inherited that legacy in MW2 (and beyond lol). Really, what’s not to like?

[@friendlyfire2k144]

Personally, I would prefer the MP5 over the Vector. Kriss Vector is a great smg, not to mention its incredible tactical design, however the vector ran out of ammo too fast due to its insane rapid fire rate. Even carrying the 50 drum mags on the vector, it would still a bit of a setback in the terms of reloading.

[@sirwlat]

This reminds me of Stuart Brown, from Xbox Ahoy. :)

[@Skyress-dj8iz]

love the content, I am sensing a very similar vibe to the channel "ahoy"

[@NinJam87]

Brandon Herrera recently got a Kriss Vector original Gen 1 that's full-auto. That would have been a perfect source to add to talk about the recoil control.

[@scottjs5207]

I always find it strange that the FAMAS also has a ludicrous fire rate.... but it's almost never portrayed as a full auto in games... and when it is, it's much more moderate. Which is strange because the AR category usually lacks in such a weapon role... Just make it have low damage and see how it goes IMO. Like, lower, lower. 5 shot up close in a high TTK CoD when others are doing 3-4 shots in their initial damage drop.

[@ceejayluisbravo5208]

I like these types of vids

[@gitikagitika715]

It just has a cool design

[@craigconway4093]

War never changes.

[@traprefinery3188]

i have a semi auto vector irl. i think its perfect other than its a little heavy and i had to replace the safety selector, but other than that the gun is reallllly fun to shoot in semi auto.

[@SirMatthew]

Brandon Herrera has a video of him and his buddies firing the vector in full auto, and you can see it's still VERY difficult to control

[@thijspluis9998]

having to cencore the real gun shooting, but still seeing people getting shot by it in the game is insane. Who at youtube thought it was a good idea

[@ThatxGuyxUxKnow]

I shot my friend's civilian Vector recently, it felt like it had no recoil at all, but charging it felt wonky as hell

[@alexd_yo]

Hotline Miami AND TF2?? You have good taste in soundtracks, my friend :)

[@LilyStarry]

the ahoy edit goes hard

[@Cyphule]

Apparently my thoughts can be tracked as well cause there’s no way this video should be in my feed otherwise

[@BlazeIsaquilla]

Smgs being used in burst, meanwhile p90 screaming in 50 round rotary mags

[@soup-not-edible]

I didn't know Tom Scott voiced gun content

[@frequentfinesse8904]

4:25 the M16s first showcased in Vietnam were sabotaged because the Army had a deal with Springfield. Shoutout wendigoon