That Is Not How You Demonstrate Objective Morality! Episode 64

[@JadDragon]

Morality comes from God. Good and evil, right and wrong, only exist with God. Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

[@trumpbellend6717]

We are self aware conscious pain and emotion feeling individuals capable of love or hate, incredible acts of altruism or depravity. It's how we navigate through life and these potential extremes that define us, not our belief ( or lack of ) in your specific subjective invisible "God"

[@JadDragon]

@@trumpbellend6717 no it's God.

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@JadDragon "Right and wrong" are words that are relative to the actualization of a desired goal or outcome, absent said goal, the terms right and wrong become meaningless. My "goal" is the actualization of a healthy flourishing coperative society based upon our common desires with respect to wellbeing and the values it incorporates, empathy, respect, equality, altruism, reciprocity. That is why one "ought" to treat another's as you would like to be treated, One "ought not steal if you wish to live in a society were property is not stolen. One "OUGHT" not murder if they want to live in a society were people are not murdered. This is our "reference point" or standard. One "should" or "ought" do something if Its conducive with the actualisation of a situation that conforms with one's goals and values. These "values" themselves are subjective by definition however it is entirely possible to make Objective declarations or decisions 'Within a pre-agreed framework of subjective values'. Values are socially approved desires that are internalised through the process of conditioning, learning or socialisation and that become subjective preferences, standards and aspirations a shared idea about how something is ranked in terms of desirability, worth or goodness *What is your "goal" and why 'OUGHT' one do what your subjective God desires* ?? 🙄🤔

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@JadDragon // "no its god" // Do baseless assertions constitute some form of rational argument in your world dear ? 🤭

[@JadDragon]

@@trumpbellend6717 baseless assertions? You literally did the same. Praise Jesus, He's bigger than your petty tricks 🙌🏻

[@cygnusustus]

"'Objective' mean something is right or wrong independent of what I think about it." Nope. "Objective" means independent of what ANY MIND thinks about it. Seriously? He has a degree in moral philosophy?

[@Spartanthermopylae]

@cygnusustus What an illogically, subjective definition. Isn't the concept based on real facts and not influenced by personal beliefs or feelings, which would involve a "mind?" Isn't it about being impartial, which would also involve a process of thinking and decision-making? "Objective" means independent of what ANY MIND thinks about it." Can you explain how someone can "think" without having a "mind?"

[@cygnusustus]

@@Spartanthermopylae "What an illogically, subjective definition." That's what the definition is, child. And actually, it is an objective definition. You really need to learn what words mean. How is it illogical. State the internal contradiction, please. "Can you explain how someone can "think" without having a "mind?"" Did I make that claim, child?

[@Spartanthermopylae]

@@cygnusustusStill as patronising, as ever and just as nonsensical and self-contradictory.

[@cygnusustus]

@@Spartanthermopylae Still as childish and unable to defend your fairy tales as ever. And still as ignorant of logic. Show me the self-contradiction, child.

[@cygnusustus]

Yeah...the core problem here is that Christian morals are, by definition, not objective either. "Objective" means "independent of a mind", and God is defined as a mind, making Christian morals subjective. And in practice, Christian morals are relative. Common responses I hear from Christians to the Bible's promotion of slavery are "slavery was common at that time" and "The was the old covenant. Jesus gave us a new covenant", betraying the fact that they actually believe morality is relative to time and circumstance. But I question whether Christians are moral at all. They perform their actions under the threat of eternal punishment and the promise of eternal reward. That is not morality. It is obedience to an authority. Only atheists perform good acts without consideration of consequences for themselves. Only atheists can be moral!

[@kurtvanderweg9147]

I'm curious: where did you get the idea that God is defined as mind?

[@cygnusustus]

@@kurtvanderweg9147 From Christians, of course. Silly question.

[@kurtvanderweg9147]

@@cygnusustus chapter and verse please

[@cygnusustus]

@@kurtvanderweg9147 Chapter and verse of what, child?

[@kurtvanderweg9147]

@@cygnusustus the bible, son. You seem to be dodging the issue.

[@cygnusustus]

Question: "How would you go about demonstrating objective morality?" Answer: "My inner dialogue." That is SUBJECTIVE morality, not objective morality! This guy studied moral ethics....for how long?

[@Spartanthermopylae]

@cygnusustus Let's see how YOU would define "objective morality, from the position of having no "mind?"