Give Me an Answer - Is Relative Morality Moral?

Program 2322 ................... - Objective Truth - Evidence for God - Moral Absolutes .................................................................
Recorded at Texas - September 2021.
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
#Evidence #Christianity #Jesus #apologetics

[@bigtopvoice2197]

The lengths the human mind and heart will go to avoid the obvious reality of its Creator is utterly astonishing 😢

[@healthtalk2497]

it's the veil in their eyes, these absolutes truths can only be seen with spiritual freedom. only Jesus can lift the spiritual veil covering their eyes. it is a waste of time trying to reason with the spiritually blind.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

And what lengths have you gone to avoid presenting ANY _evidentiary facts_ that demonstrates your current irrational and unsubstantiated claims to truth? I have the courage to face _any_ truth that comports with reality. And that truth demonstrates to me day after day that any god is simply not a reality.

[@christoffesedao3579]

@@theoskeptomai2535 So then we all get to live according to our own version of justice and boundaries? We are just clay accidents so what difference does it make if there is no loving Father?

[@christoffesedao3579]

Yes, the man in the orange shirt is trying so hard to justify relative morality. He blatantly ignores the examples of how societies can create terrible laws and acts against humans. He cannot understand the simplicity of truth and innate value. He wants to be a god, rather than seek and know God.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@christoffesedao3579 Did I offer either of those assertions? Yes or no.

[@connorpaschall1990]

That famous Cliffe squat! Love it 😂 Thank you for your work and ministry. You have helped me greatly over the years 🙏

[@Topsiekku]

jalkalihakset pysyy kunnossa

[@deannavarro777]

"For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ," 2 Corinthians 10:4-5 GOD bless you more grace and peace from GOD the Father and our LORD Jesus Christ brother Cliffe and dem boyz of yours. See you in heaven brother. 🔥☝️🙏❤️

[@jonathanesayiasberhe3222]

The last kid was so angy as he was getting challenged. Cliff been going at it. Love watching his old and new vids.

[@trumpbellend6717]

Cliffe just repeats the same falacious arguments that have been long debunked. A moral framework is subjective regardless of whether it's theistic or secular *ANY* and *EVERY* theistic derived set of beliefs would be subjective. The claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔

[@trumpbellend6717]

@Chris P Cliffe just repeats the same falacious arguments that have been long debunked. A moral framework is subjective regardless of whether it's theistic or secular *ANY* and *EVERY* theistic derived set of beliefs would be subjective. The claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔

[@trumpbellend6717]

@Chris P Cliffe just repeats the same falacious arguments that have been long debunked. A moral framework is subjective regardless of whether it's theistic or secular *ANY* and *EVERY* theistic derived set of beliefs would be subjective. The claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔

[@trumpbellend6717]

@Chris P Is 2 enough ?

[@jayceerenegado8038]

@@trumpbellend6717 you make the same case as the last kid.

[@djr113]

Cliffe does a great job of pressing people to the logical ends of their belief; once faced with that they come up with quite the explanations/pivots.

[@Maheshbabu-dh3qq]

Hi I'm Mahesh from india... JESUS is the only GOD in heaven.. ❤❤🙏🙏❤🙏🙏

[@choosejesus1910]

Hi I'm Omar from America and I agree😁

[@runemaster1054]

Father and the Holy Spirit as well. 1 God in 3 persons

[@berane8909]

Umm no. The Father of Jesus is the only God. Jesus said, "My Father in heaven", and He also said, "My Father in Me". It's the Father in Jesus that makes Jesus God. The Father is in us too BUT WE ARE NOT GODS. We were created by God. Jesus was God appearing as a man on earth. He was God but He lived as a Man.

[@Generatorman59]

@@berane8909 Gee Bane, that's a lot of assertions. Do you have any evidence to back that up? How do we know what Jesus said. And, how do we know if it is true?

[@berane8909]

@@Generatorman59 not anymore than you've already heard.

[@displeaseddog7504]

I am convinced that Cliff contorts his body during his explanations in such a manner that people can’t take their attention away even if they wanted to. So animated and passionate.

[@rjpaquet]

Yes!!! I agree. You should see him preach. He does the same thing in person. It’s like you can see him working it out in his head by his mannerisms and movements, which I think really helps listeners get it too

[@larzman651]

SALVATION IS ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST 🙌 John 14:6 kjv

[@JoshuaCussins]

Amen

[@theoskeptomai2535]

Are you aware of any credible evidence that demonstrates this Jesus is a _reality?_

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@Our Savior Correct. I have come to conclude that the god of Christianity is not a reality. What does my conclusion have to do with the question I have addressed to _Larz Man?_

[@lightworker4512]

Religion has humanized God, that is why they believe such erroneous things. God is not a human where he would say Salvation is only in Jesus Christ or you go to Hell. That is not love or compassion. Organized religion is about the behavior of humanity and informs us little about the Creator

[@colinmatts]

Salvation from what?

[@poldreborn4281]

I need a part 2, about math, laws of nature etc. It started to get even more interesting at the end :D God bless you, you doing great work!

[@J0PHIEL]

Cliffe and his son are legends. Yea Its a point that cannot be refuted which is why the person that disagrees with it just goes in circles, gets offended etc..

[@zealot777]

100% agree. The "going in circles" is what they do, especially the first gentleman.

[@christoffesedao3579]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 If we are nothing but clay accidents, then what are you so worried about? Who cares what Cliffs says, or the atheists. We’re just meaningless temporary biological accidents.

[@koklol2837]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Why is dehumanising people 'bad' and 'disgusting'? Who says that? You? Who tf are you to tell other what is 'bad', 'disgusting' and what isnt?

[@koklol2837]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 No! Since you clearly are a denier of God, where do you get of using words such 'bad' and 'disgusting' to describe any human behaviour? Who says certain things are 'bad'? You? Society? Who's definition of so called 'goodness' and 'bad' are you using?

[@puresynergyflo]

Dude: So, you think 2+2 only equals 4 Cliffe: yes Dude: I see what you’re saying but I disagree Cliffe: why? Dude: because, social bonds and stuff

[@trumpbellend6717]

2 + 2 only = 4 when we work in base 10, it's us humans that make the rules dear and the same applies to the man made concept of morality. A moral framework is subjective regardless of whether it's theistic or secular *ANY* and *EVERY* theistic derived set of beliefs would be subjective. The claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔

[@puresynergyflo]

@@trumpbellend6717 Is what you said true?

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@puresynergyflo It is "correct" dear.

[@puresynergyflo]

@@trumpbellend6717 are you absolutely correct about that dear or is that statement you made correct just once in a while? Or maybe it’s correct for you but not for me. Not my truth, and all that. Maybe you just have to respect my correct opinion that is diverse from yours.

[@trumpbellend6717]

Lol mathematics is a "concept" dear, so it is only when working within an agreed upon arbitrarily predetermined framework ( ie which base we are using ) that one can make Objective statements. Absent this framework such statements are subjective BY DEFINITION. Please tell me precisely WHY do you think human reference standards must be "Objective" and "God given" in order to function and serve their purpose ??? Let me give you an analogy, perhaps then you will understand. Our metric reference standards for weights, distance ( kilometers, meters, centimetres ect ) was originaly a man made concept, arbitrary with no divine dictate involved. Yet once it becomes accepted and a consensus reached it functions perfectly. A "meter" is not some vague "about this big" concept that varies dependant on culture or God. We can OBJECTIVELY measure things within our metric reference framework 😜 Precisely the same applies to our moral reference standard, it too requires only an agreed upon reference standard in order to function. Can you think of a better standard to aspire and adhere to than one based upon human well-being, empathy , equality and respect ??? Do you really think it preferable to base it upon the knowledge, moral values and ideologies of Iron age people that believe it moral to .. *"Buy your slaves from the heathen nations that surround you"* That a raped girl should be stoned to death for not screaming loud enough along with unruly rebellious children who disobey their parents ( sounds like most teenagers to me ) and the people who gather sticks on the wrong day of the week ?? Crusades, holy wars, inquisitions, forced conversions of indigenous peoples, crashing planes into towers, ect ect all done specifically for religious reasons. By people striving to attain their subjective Gods "moral perfection" and citing the moral imperfection of the victims as justification 🤮🤮🤮

[@benjaminspinney8718]

Anger was building up in the last student. I wish I could have heard the rest. Cliffe and Stuart are wonderful.

[@fishjj76]

The reason the video cut out there was probably because Cliffe and Stuart had their arguments destroyed by him. If their best arguments are all strawmanning arguments their position is extremely weak.

[@benjaminspinney8718]

@@fishjj76 That's possible :)

[@jayceerenegado8038]

@@fishjj76 because it’s already a long video. Doesn’t sound like a weak argument that Cliffe made.

[@KEVNXI]

here is the remainder kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKjQaqSol5yagaM

[@leesurridge2947]

I don't think so at all, he made some great points. I would rather non believers battle it out respectfully rather than saying yes blindly to everything, without thinking or any questioning.

[@MexicanMartialArts]

Give me an answer, homie!! 🙌

[@gdsgstar]

I pray seeds were planted here. Keep up the good work!

[@robmc120]

Great job handling questions as always, men of God, the objective truth _can_ be defended. May God bless you for your ministry!

[@damianbennett5329]

fancy words but still no evidence

[@robmc120]

@@damianbennett5329 Evidence you dont agree with is still evidence; refute their moral argument.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@robmc120 What is this 'objective truth' to which you refer?

[@jackalsgate1146]

@@robmc120 How bout you people stop making up your own definitions.? Evidence does not include fables. You people are like adults with the brains of infants.

[@colinmatts]

What is the "objective truth"? And how do you KNOW it is true?

[@Yaya-qh1dd]

Oh the patience and wisdom God has given you Sir Cliffe. Thank you for what you do and teach all who come across, May God keep using you greatly.

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

Thanks Cliffe, for another interesting and informative video.

[@CASMANWHAT]

Can we get an unedited version of these videos where we can watch the whole thing? It’s so interesting!!! Great job guys. Amen

[@ElJubranco]

I agree!

[@j.w.presents9552]

Finally another one! Great video as always. Hallelujah!

[@christinedoe8192]

Love this channel, clever Cliffe, brilliant 😇👌🙌🙌🙌🙏🏽🙏🏻🙏🏿🙏🏼🙏♥️♥️♥️

[@imiivestreamer]

This was great! Thank you god for giving this to us.

[@michaelgallick4617]

Please, no offense, but the word God should always be capitalized when used in a sentence. Just for your awareness. "With ❤ and 🙏's"!

[@fartbox13b72]

Dude your are truly a boss!! Keep them coming man this is good

[@jeffrey6618]

Good job I preach on the street and I like to pick up tips on how to handle different conversations pray for all those colledge kids even the ones just walking by and not stopping pray that they will get saved with jesus

[@justingary5322]

Exactly 💯. Thanks to God for having Christian Apologists like Cliffe and Stuart and others like them for uploading these videos. Brother's Cliffe and Stuart always do good work in their efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ you're reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolution of but I am convinced of speciation and adaptation which is micro Evolution because there's no evidence of macro Evolution nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

[@Generatorman59]

@@ChrisTheKing172 I agree. He has been pasting the same comments for months. He needs to get some new material and he needs to at least try to back up what he is saying.

[@Generatorman59]

@@ChrisTheKing172 You couldn't have possibly pointed out all his flaws. That would be too many to mention. 😅

[@fishjj76]

I cannot believe I wasted minutes of my life reading this diatribe. I won't waste any more time pointing out the errors in it. That would take too long.

[@Generatorman59]

@@fishjj76 I totally agree. This guy copies and pastes the same comments to various YT channels. And, he won't engage in any meaningful dialogue to support his claims. I can't begin to count how many errors his comments contains. It is absolutely mind blowing!

[@justingary5322]

@@Generatorman59 Ok AND I'm ignoring Idiocy

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Life begins the womb. John 3:16-21 💝

[@destiny9734]

Can we have the rest of the video please!!? Thank you, God bless you!!

[@KEVNXI]

after searching for a couple of mins i found the continuation kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKjQaqSol5yagaM

[@JOSEMARTINEZ-nb7yw]

I learn from you every time thanks again.. praise GOD 🙏

[@fzz91]

Wonderful videos. Absolutely thought provoking. Please keep these videos coming.

[@coolservantjesusswag2936]

God bless you Cliffe for talking to walls(atheist) again. Your patience is amazing. The mental gymnastics and illogical circles that they put you through.

[@patrickr9642]

Right. Cliffe has had to explain this so many times I feel like people just don't care Cliffe makes a point. If you dont agree with it fine move dont keep saying the same.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

In what manner am I, an atheist, a wall? Please provide an example.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@robertmitchell8438 Hi Robert. No I haven't seen this video. But I will do so right after dinner. Thanks for the recommendation. Will respond back soon. Peace.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@robertmitchell8438 I just now finished the video. And my first response is WOW. I knew some of the information such as the various gods represented by the movements of the Sun, depictions of a virgin birth, birth during the winter solstice, reference to a resurrection, but not with the detail, clarity, and overall insight that this video provided. It is too bad that every Christian doesn't watch this video.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@robertmitchell8438 I will check it out later today. Thanks.

[@fishouttawtr]

It was just getting interesting!!!

[@Ricky-pz8tm]

Need to see the continuation of this. It was quite interesting

[@amessenger3208]

Get 'em Cliff!! God bless.

[@snowstorm9054]

Thank you cliff and Stuart really like you content and logic. If ever you have a written book i would like to buy one and have more of the knowledge. Also love your website. Keep up the good work brothers

[@snowstorm9054]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 what are you talking about. Is it the first time you hear their content because went to almost all their video and there's no such thing. Maybe try to really get the message and not construct a wrong interpretation.

[@snowstorm9054]

You got it all wrong friend. He is challenging the belief not promoting this. He said it time and time again: if you are consistent with what you believe... He's challenging and make people think about what would having that belief (for survival) would imply. And again challenging the belief to see if it's consistent with how people live their lives

[@ambrossmbunga4664]

I find myself talking like cliff nowadays, it’s good the more you watch the more my faith is challenged and the more I’m intellectually honest to seek truth but I’m confident that I’ve found truth no one else other than Jesus Christ.

[@Generatorman59]

Ladies and gentlemen, we are witnessing the transformation into indoctrination.

[@ambrossmbunga4664]

@@Generatorman59 you talk like an atheist

[@Chidds]

Do you also believe people with disabilities are a drain on society like Cliffe does?

[@rustyshackleford6259]

Cliff..you were definitely made for what you do. Very passionate about educating and clarifying Gods word to educated yet spiritually blinded people. I LOVE the “power stances” and the pacing. Physically shows how engaged you are.

[@thepherm]

Thank you!

[@jeffreyontheway]

The point that comes out in this conversation with the fellow in the orange shirt is this. As an atheist, the closest to objective morals he can come to is to stop saying doing something IS wrong and instead saying he objectively knows that something FEELS wrong at the moment. Or the atheist could say doing something is objectively RISKY at the moment even if it feels fine.

[@alexandrumicu3357]

Soo.. why would it be risky to strangle an homeless man on the streets at 2 o'clock at night where nobody sees you?

[@jeffreyontheway]

@@alexandrumicu3357 that's when most would default to focus on it feeling wrong at that moment. They can objectively know that it does feel wrong, but what good is that? I ask: don't atheists come away from watching horror movies like Saw and realize they would hurt or kill anyone under certain conditions.

[@alexandrumicu3357]

@@jeffreyontheway Maybe you knew that ,, homeless" is a liar and tricks people every day to give him money with his pockets full of them. Not only that you do some sort of justice (not really), but you take all of his money to increase your survival rate bacause of financial problems. Would that be right? If not, why not? Because he clearly doesn't have good intentions.

[@christoffesedao3579]

And even if he claims he objectively knows something feels wrong, he is still left with the question of why it feels wrong. He cannot escape the truth that we were given a moral compass. And it is not a compass for survival. It is to love others in the way our Heavenly Father loves. If we are just clay accidents why would we not just do as we please, if we truly know that we are just physical beings with know spiritual value.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@christoffesedao3579 Why does my inner moral compass know it's wrong for a supposed all loving being to command the slaughter of women and children of other nations?

[@samiaziz5]

Amen.

[@bibleprophecyproof]

Tremendously handled by Cliffe. Definitely one of the better episodes.

[@dorian8057]

Awesome

[@ironmatto3]

Praise God for you Cliffe, none of them can articulate a valid argument, because it's all foolish. It's outstanding how one can try anything to deny their own creator, pathetic.

[@damianbennett5329]

zero evidence

[@theoskeptomai2535]

Are you stating that I came into existence by means of my "own creator"?

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Him as a Pastor I wish he wouldn't call people good when he knows no one is if they don't have Christ. Mark 10:18 "“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone"

[@justingary5322]

AMEN. Thanks to God for having Christian Apologists like them for uploading these videos. Brother's Cliffe and Stuart always do good work in their efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ you're reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

[@justingary5322]

@@theoskeptomai2535 Yeah actually but everything you've said is SUCH A DUMBAZZ THING TO SAY AND ASSUME WITHOUT EVIDENCE KID 🤔🤣

[@Maheshbabu-dh3qq]

There are many people in India who claim to be God, but none of them have the right to claim to be God. The perfect example of the word God is only Jesus Christ

[@theoskeptomai2535]

How is this Jesus Christ a perfect example of a god? Please define what you mean by the term 'God'.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@Our Savior I do care. And in what manner am I a 'troll'? Please define what you mean by the term 'troll' and provide an example of how I explify such.

[@stewwweee]

Glad to see fellow Indian Christian brother watching Cliff. Salvation is only through Jesus Christ

[@eb6359]

@@theoskeptomai2535 go watch cnn and bill maher youtube channels 🤣 .

[@justingary5322]

AMEN those people in India mostly don't even understand Christianity to begin with as they believe multiple gods exist within multiple religions. Thanks to God for having Christian Apologists like them for uploading these videos. Brother's Cliffe and Stuart always do good work in their efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ you're reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

[@ilovegodandjesusjohn316]

Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

[@thomgrlisdebra]

These students are receiving a world-class education in critical thinking!

[@hillsborosam]

Another askCliffe ending on a cliffhanger 🤣✨👍🏻💯

[@TgfkaTrichter]

knowing the famous honesty of apologists, the guy in the grey shirts was about making some very good points, and they decided to cut out beforehand, so that their theist fanbase does not get force to think about arguments. I mean, we can't have that, can we?

[@jessebryant9233]

@@TgfkaTrichter Very good points? Okay, list them and we'll talk about 'em. Fair enough?

[@TgfkaTrichter]

@@jessebryant9233 you don't need much. It is enough to say, that our morals can be easily explained by our evolution as a social species. Therefore we have empathy for each other (something you can even see in the animal kingdom as well). Couple that we rules made by society, which are also necessary for this society to survive and you have a perfectly working explenation for morals without needing a god. Of course evolution does not provide you with morals as it is, but it explains, why we are morals. The morals themself arise from other factors, none of them supernatural btw. You could now say, that those morals are subjective and would be correct, cause there is zero indications for the existence of objective morality. Actually like always when theist try to explain reality through their god, they create more problems, then they solve. And a final fun fact. If you want to surpress the desribed empathy and bring humans to commit crimes against other humans, god is way more usefull, then we you want them just to be good to each other. So if I would be after a gotcha I could say, that god is not needed to justify moral behaviour, but he is very usefull to justify inmoral bevahiour.

[@TgfkaTrichter]

Of course there is way more. You point to the fact, that morals are chancing all the time and are still different today, depending on the society you are living in etc. So many points. There is simple too much wrong with the moral argument to just answer it just like that. There is always a flaw, you might have overlooked.

[@jessebryant9233]

@@TgfkaTrichter Easily explained? Okay, do it... And, fun fact! What you just posted reveals only that morality is not a real thing and that your philosophical conclusion doesn't follow from your naturalistic premise. As for evidence FOR objective morals, well YOU provide such evidence, because you aren't actually saying that we should not do as we please because it lessens the likelihood of our own (or our species) continued yet pointless and ultimately meaningless existence, but because (for reasons you cannot explain) you believe various acts are actually WRONG, not just unfavorable. Trichter, pragmatism ≠ morality.

[@JoshuaCussins]

Dude at the end was getting p'd off.

[@blackhaze8233]

Because he knows he's wrong. That's usually what happens when someone is losing an argument or a debate. And that stems from pride more interested in being right than actually learning and having their beliefs tested to see if they're correct. One thing I wish Cliff would do is keep these kids from sidestepping or ignoring the questions he asked them back. They love to move the goal post whenever their argument gets ripped apart.

[@djBeni93]

I love when people throw in big words. That’s how you know they don’t know because they have to sound smart to manipulate the people around.

[@surdino2010]

Good sign that the Holy Spirit is striving with men against the growing tides of unbelief in the last days ; sowing the seed while God can still be found. Indeed you are privileged to be chosen for this generation to carry on the banner of Christ, “GOD IS NO RESPECTER OF MEN” There is NO OTHER WAY for he is the only living God / Creator that has all the power and glory to give immortality and eternal life by RESURRECTION. There’s NOTHING else in any religious traditions of the world far greater than this, who offers this free gift of salvation and exaltation. Hallelujah, Glory to God in the name of his only Begotten Son ,Yeshua

[@the_alchemy_method]

It astounds me how people continue to try to resist Gods existence by finding arguments that are essentially clutching at straws in an attempt to justify their own lifestyle

[@theoskeptomai2535]

Resist existence? How about first providing credible evidence for the existence of this god you've mentioned and THEN we can discuss resistence.

[@frmyt1135]

I think these 2 speakers should be making a difference between legal ethical and moral laws. Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with them, but I think there was some things to be added to emphasize objective ethics and morals. What these students are trying to say are that ethical laws are objective such as natural rights and natural law, but they view morality as subjective in the sense that so long you don't hurt others, morality is relative. Im Christian and for a long time despite still being Christian, I believed that natural law and natural rights are objective whether or not God exists, because of Argumentation Ethics (Look it up there's a 2 minute video on it by "RussianCapitalist" to prove the objectivity of natural law through apriori truths people presuppose through argumentation). But recently after thinking more on why God is NECESSARY than why He exists, it came to me that whether or not you can prove natural law through apriori/presupposed truths, it ultimately means nothing if God does not exist. Sure, I could prove that things like murder, theft, and depriving someone of their liberty is contradictory against the natural rights you presuppose through argumentation (or mere existence for that matter whether or not someone has the ability to argue). But why should I care to follow ethical laws just because I see the fact that it would be contradictory to act otherwise? What ultimately matters is God, to bring true purpose into life and purpose as to why we should care about being intellectually honest and ethically consistent with natural law and His word (the morals we follow). We can still prove to other Christians and those who are willing to reason, that objective legal ethics exist through argumentation ethics, and to be consistent with those legal ethics is to be a Voluntarist Libertarian at the bare minimum. As for morality, we can point to the sciences behind why acting morally is healthy for a person, but again what ultimately makes it matter, is if those morals are ordained by God

[@TgfkaTrichter]

God is not needed for morals, he is only needed if you want to justify inmoral actions, for which he is quite usefull. We can explain morality easily without any god and we can also determine a working moral system without god. The moral systems we got this way are btw superior to the ones proposed by most religious types, cause they are more effectice in maximise wellbeing in minimise harm.

[@michaelgallick4617]

"Cliffe, I think you should get a portable comfortable chair to get in, and sit or stand to be more comfortable when you are doing your debating and witnessing"! "You are a great debater and child of "Our Lord", and I think it would benefit you, but I understand why you are doing what you're doing! "I so love the way you witness to the people, and for our Lord! God bless you Dr. Cliffe! With love and 🙏's.

[@rackzz9358]

I wanna hear more of that last debate

[@KEVNXI]

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[@eaglei0n]

All these atheist do is jump around from topic to topic. They present one question, get disproven, then jump to another topic, get disproven and then jump to another topic. And it goes on and on and on and on. Until eventually they talk you in circles back to the exact same point you were making. They are so confused

[@Chidds]

Cliffe does a terrible job grasping some of the arguments his interlocutors put forward. He totally misses the significance of what they say and even comes off as a sociopath in the process.

[@bonnie43uk]

I'll be more than happy to stick to one topic Eagle eye. I don't think I'm confused.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

Let's discuss any topic that concerns you about the position of atheism, Eagle Eye. I will answer each and every question you have about my position in a direct manner - and YOU can choose to stay with or change any topic. If you do not respond, I will assume that you were disingenuous in your original comment.

[@eaglei0n]

@@bonnie43uk don’t even know you. I’m talking about the ones whom I’ve seen HIM debate. Can’t apply that to everyone that’s atheist

[@bonnie43uk]

@@eaglei0n Conversations by their very nature move to different topics, sometimes people will use a different topic to make a point, Cliffe does this all the time, thats not a criticism, just an observation. Absolutely you don't know me, do you know the ones whom you've seen HIM debate?

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Atheist aren't good people, no one is if they don't have Jesus Christ. The ones you know might be nice people but they are not good people, that's scriptural. Mark 10:18 "“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone"

[@devinbryne9208]

They'll never hear a word until the Lord blesses them with the ability to hear.

[@monkeyspank3005]

I like how he squats like he's about to tackle a fool lmao

[@korpse6rinder]

God's feefees are objective. Your feefees are subjective. You are worthless unless god thinks you have worth. You have to be told what to think because you're wrong. But god loves you... This is a trick to break you down before offering an outlet to false love. Welcome to the cult...err... Church. Please donate.

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

You have a rare gift. You seem to be able to hear things that are never said. It's either a gift or auditory hallucination.

[@korpse6rinder]

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 some people can read between the lines and some people have their head too far up their own butts to see anything. One day maybe you can come out for air.

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

@@korpse6rinder hmmm maybe you're right. I'll try to read between the lines like you. So you're saying that atheism is just an excuse for sodomy? Hey, you're right, this IS fun.

[@korpse6rinder]

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 you just pulled your head out and already thinking about your butt again. One day you'll get it. Keep trying...

[@jessebryant9233]

"You have to be told what to think because you're wrong"? Dude, what are you going on about? All you trolls seem to be getting ever more desperate, most likely because your worldview... is wrong.

[@billbrock8547]

Humans live in groups, and like all social animals we've evolved a system of cooperation that makes group-living possible. We call our system morality. No supernatural agent is required.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

Exactly.

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

🙄another one.

[@christoffesedao3579]

So are you claiming that genocide is moral? Because many “systems” have been created by societies and agreed upon that involve genocide and other atrocities. Are you saying that as long as a group of humans agree upon something, then whatever they do is moral?

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@christoffesedao3579 WHO determines what is moral or immoral for you?

[@Generatorman59]

@@christoffesedao3579 So, are YOU claiming genocide is moral if it is commanded by a sky daddy?: I Samual 15:3 - Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. Deuteronomy 20:16-17 - However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as the Lord your God has commanded you.

[@williammorales3492]

Brutal 🔥🔥🔥

[@surmapowder6728]

Congratulations on 100k Subscribers

[@spooky6902]

Asking if a moral system is moral is gibberish. Relative morality itself can't be moral, it's a way to determine what is moral. The question should be "is morality relative"? Well what would we expect to see if morality was relative? We would expect moral principles to be culturally and subjectively dependent, which is exactly what we see.

[@healthtalk2497]

your circular reasoning is astonishing.. you missed the entire point. it went right over your head.

[@spooky6902]

@@healthtalk2497 I'm glad I have you to explain it to me then

[@spacecoastz4026]

You never did get back to me....just saying...

[@spooky6902]

@@spacecoastz4026 you're right, my bad. I appreciate the long response, I put it off because I didn't have time to read it and forgot to come back to it. I'll reply later

[@spacecoastz4026]

@@spooky6902 Thanks...

[@Generatorman59]

The ultimate moral foundation is subjective. Why is that? Because no one really knows if this god of the bible actually exists. It’s just some people’s subjective opinion that he does, and all the consequences of a subjective opinion must logically also be subjective. But even if this god were shown to actually exist, morality would be based on this god's subjective whims. God can change his mind and he can do whatever he wants. So, any way you look at it, morality is subjective.

[@robmc120]

"Because no one really knows if this god of the bible actually exists." Except the objective fact that Jesus existed, verified by biased (Christians) & unbiased (Jewish/Roman/Atheist Historians); The man who prophesied His own death & rise from the dead when we still cant find the body despite having most other leaders, who claimed to be _the_ way/truth/life (John 14:6) like no other religious leader did, who is arguably more inspirational than any other person that ever lived (more music/art/writings/copies than any other). "It’s just some people’s subjective opinion that he does" It's also the most reasonable conclusion for the reality we live in, i havent heard/seen any refutation to the contrary of a more cohesive worldview, see J Warner Wallace's Cold Case Christianity channel to break it down. "But even if this god were shown to actually exist, morality would be based on this god's subjective whims" God is unchanging, so He has no "whims" in His omniscience of what's best for His glory, His ultimate objective, not our happiness. That's still transcendent of our subjective, limited knowledge, fallible opinion. "Yep… actually, I am more moral than this god character." In our limited, subjective, fallible minds, how is our opinion better? What are you using as your moral foundation as better than an omniscient God? Sounds more prideful that you're more moral, you may be worshiping yourself as the transcendent standard.... “Gee, it depends on who is responsible for this dead baby in order to determine if it is an evil act or not.” God didn't create a flawed world, He created a perfect world we corrupted by sin (Genesis 3). What foundation for objective morality are you using without God? "If I came across a grown man raping a 9-year-old girl, without hesitation, I would do anything in my power to stop it right there and then." Because you have a sense of worth in humans, where do you get that from? I can explain God gave us a conscience, you are left with "it's forwarding the genetics of that man, it's not ultimately wrong, it may be right in fact". You can claim moral superiority all you want, but where does it stem from objectively? "But what does your god do? Well, he just closes the door and tells the rapist, “Go ahead and finish, I’ll punish you later” You start with the assumption the girl is morally sin free, Romans 3:23="All have sinned & fall short of God's standard", so even the girl goes to hell ultimately without Jesus who paid for both the rapist & the girl. God is patient with _both_ of them to repent in the fallen world they are a part of, the situation is wrong but you dont have a foundation for telling me its wrong besides your subjective, fallible opinion, i'd love to hear one cohesive with your worldview. May God show Himself to you in spirit & truth, God bless!

[@Zerathul7]

are you absolutely sure ?

[@Generatorman59]

@@robmc120 It is not an objective fact that this Jesus existed. And even if he did, there is no reason to believe he was divine. Who are all these eyewitnesses? Where are their writings? Being more inspirational is meaningless when it comes to what is actually true. By the way, why don’t Orthodox Jews believe Jesus is divine? After all, it was their holy scriptures first and they had access to all the OT prophesies about the future messiah. So, you think god is unchanging? Please don’t suggest that I know more about your bible than you do. Of course, he changed his mind many times in the bible. Genesis 6:6 tells us that “the LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.” Also, Moses and Abraham both pleaded with god to change his mind. By the way, Psalms 115:3 tells us that god does what he pleases. “…how is our opinion better? What are you using as your moral foundation as better than an omniscient God?” It is my view that my opinion is better than your god’s because I would never command the total destruction of innocent women and children. The foundation of my subjective position is based mostly on empathy and well-being. I believe morality is subjective and situational. I believe life, in the most part, is preferred to death. I believe health is preferable to death, and happiness is preferable to sadness. And guess what? I don’t need a god for any of this. “God didn't create a flawed world, He created a perfect world we corrupted by sin (Genesis 3). What foundation for objective morality are you using without God?” Yes, god did create a flawed world. According to scripture, he created all things. If god created a perfect world, it would be perfect. It’s not perfect. The ultimate foundation for morality is not objective. It is subjective and situational. I do have a sense of worth in humans. I subjectively assigned this worth and it was not bestowed upon me by some sky daddy. The question is why would your god allow the rape to happen? Doesn’t he have a similar worth in humans? Apparently not. I would stop the rape and your god allows it. Why is that? Oh, because we live in a fallen world. How convenient! Or, maybe your god likes watching little girls getting raped. “You start with the assumption the girl is morally sin free.” Are you suggest that she deserved being raped because she is not perfect? You claim that god is being patient with the rape victim and the rapist. So, this god is allowing this 9-year-old girl to be raped because he is patient with her? And you call him just and merciful? Of course I can say it is wrong to rape a little girl. The reason is that it goes against her well-being. I subjectively chose well-being, fairness, compassion, justice, etc. as part of my morality. Again, I don’t need a god for any of those things.

[@robmc120]

@@Generatorman59 "It is not an objective fact that this Jesus existed" The _eyewitness_ gospel writers & historians of the time (Jewish Jospehus & Roman Pliny) & present (Atheist Ehrman) disagree. If you disagree, i'd love to see your cited, intelligent evidence. "And even if he did, there is no reason to believe he was divine." He claimed to be divine & proved such through miracles publicly in front of believers & nonbelievers, i cited that last comment, give me your objective sources why my sources are false? "By the way, why don’t Orthodox Jews believe Jesus is divine?" John 3:19, "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil", like you, they are inclined against God, but not because lack of evidence. "After all, it was their holy scriptures first and they had access to all the OT prophesies about the future messiah." He claimed to be from their scripture, John 5:39, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." & Matthew 23:37, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her". They dont want anyone to rule them, so they rebel against God, as you do, no matter the consequence. "Genesis 6:6 tells us that “the LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.” God can regret something while knowing what's going to happen, He can allow you to exist even though He knows how many times you're going to sin tomorrow, He allows you while regretting your decisions leading to your detriment, but in His omniscience knows the ultimate goal is His glory. Regret (oxford) "feel sad, repentant, or disappointed over (something that has happened or been done)", doesn't mean changing His mind. "Also, Moses and Abraham both pleaded with god to change his mind." As a Father, He can incite someone to do something by His actions, He omnisciently knew what Abraham & Moses were going to do, so He did what He had to do to get them there, just as a parent does to their child. "Psalms 115:3 tells us that god does what he pleases." Because His nature is the standard for good, why is your subjective, fallible, limited knowledge opinion better than His omniscient, infallible character? "It is my view that my opinion is better than your god’s because I would never command the total destruction of innocent women and children." In His omniscience, He knew what would be best; in your limited knowledge, how do you know what would have happened if He didn't? "The foundation of my subjective position is based mostly on empathy and well-being." What makes "empathy & well being" the standard? You havent answered the question, only kicked the can down the road....(begging the question fallacy) "I believe morality is subjective and situational" Therefore you have no right to say a man raping a woman is wrong, because he thinks its ok, since you have not founded your empathy & well being in anything other than your subjective opinion. "I believe life, in the most part, is preferred to death." You subjectively believe that, but what is the foundation? Your opinion is only subjective, limited & fallible, not infinite, omniscient & infallible as God is. Explain the _foundation_ for your belief, not what you believe. This is the whole video he talked about this, you have morality, but you dont think into the foundation of it too deep, prolly because you dont like where it leads. Also, If you believe in life preferable to death, what about the life that may come from the pregnancy? Do you support the act that got the baby there then? I'm not talking about abortion, i'm talking about if the man creates a baby with the woman, isnt that the life you say you support? Be consistent.... "I believe health is preferable to death, and happiness is preferable to sadness." But you havent a foundation for your belief, just your subjective, fallible opinion, so why do you have a say over a man raping a woman that's wrong? He thinks its good, you think it's bad, what's the transcendent decider? "If god created a perfect world, it would be perfect. It’s not perfect." Keep reading Genesis to chapter 3, _man_ corrupted the creation when he sinned against God by defying Him, thus where we are now. We deviated from His perfect standard and made more tainted with sin, your worldview gives no perfect standard, whats your foundation for "perfect" or "good" outside your subjective opinion? "It is subjective and situational." I repeat, then you have no foundation for saying rape is wrong, just your subjective opinion. "I do have a sense of worth in humans." Because of the "imago dei" God instilled in you when He created you, not you subjective opinion. As the video says, without God we are an accident & have no more worth than a rock, bug or anything, but the image of God inside us tells us humans are worth something innately inside us. "The question is why would your god allow the rape to happen?" Why is rape wrong in your subjective morality if the man raping says its right? You need a higher authority than you both. "Are you suggest that she deserved being raped because she is not perfect?" You're twisting words to something i didnt say, i _specifically_ didnt say that, I _said_ He is patient for her to live her life in time to repent, just as the man gets time to repent instead of killing (punishing) the girl, man, you & I the first time we ever sinned. He has infinite eternity in perspective, you have the immediate satisfaction of yourself in "doing good" (whatever _that_ subjectively means without foundation), His ways are higher (Isaiah 55:8). You're weighing some sin heavier than others when all sin leads to judgement of Hell (Hebrews 9:27). Supposing God exists, have you sinned? "The reason is that it goes against her well-being. I subjectively chose well-being, fairness, compassion, justice, etc. as part of my morality" I conclude with you still haven't given an objective foundation for these morals, only begging the question (fallacy) where they came from, i can explain them saying God gave you a conscience when He made you in His image, where do you say you derive these morals from foundationally? The man subjectively chose that rape is ok, if it's all subjective why is it wrong & why would you stop him from doing what he thinks is right? May God show Himself to you in spirit & truth, God bless!

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@robmc120 How did you determine it is an "objective fact" that this Jesus ever existed? Please provide a few evidentiary facts that establish that this Jesus has ever existed.

[@LilRedRasta]

This is one of the strongest arguments for God.

[@ilovegodandjesusjohn316]

Matthew 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

[@DRayL_]

Why is even "cosmic accident" so bad? Even if it were, it wouldn't make life "therefore valueless". In fact, it makes life that much more valuable! Using the word "relative" isn't exactly the correct word. Especially when you twist it into "therefore do whatever you want". There are things humans have set up...ways of life...codes of conduct. Why? Because over time, it has been realized that certain ways of life...certain actions...are required for a healthy environment. Does this always happen? No, of course not. Why? Because the human race is still desperately adolescent in so many areas of thought. But the goal, though unattainable, is still valid. But for most people, it is understood that some things cannot be condoned for a healthy society. We can't have random violence. Random murder. Random theft. Etc. It doesn't matter if "some random person decides it's okay to kill his neighbor". That's the point Cliffe is missing...and it is due to his attempt to insist that "his god" is the "moral standard that has to be followed". The Biblical "god" is not the source for "objective morality", even if it existed because just because the "most powerful entity says some certain way is the only way to act", it doesn't make it "objectively moral". Just "an edict". It doesn't make it "moral" at all....and in many cases, could even be demonstrated to actually be immoral. It's just that so many have been conditioned to not see what's right in the open for all to see. BTW, I've not seen Cliffe comport himself as arrogantly, in the way he spoke to the students, than I have in this video. Not the whole video, but in places, I was amazed at how condescending he was. The way he said "buddy" was quite condescending.

[@Malhaloc]

If it's true there is no God, then being a "cosmic accident" isn't good or bad. It just is. And we have to face that fact. We're no more valuable than the space dust we're made of. How does that make life more valuable? If morality is relative, why can't you do whatever you want? What if you don't care about a healthy society? Why is that morally wrong? What is your standard of morality?

[@DRayL_]

@@Malhaloc _We_ give ourselves value. That's the difference. Star dust can't do that. As I stated above, for a healthy society to exist, people have to comport themselves in a specific way, else there is chaos. And chaos is extremely problematic and dangerous. Hence,...laws to keep people in check. If a random person wants to violate the autonomy of another person [do whatever they want], that doesn't make them right...and will place them in prison for their actions. Why is a healthy society something to care about?? I've heard apologists ask this question many times,....and I'm honestly dumbfounded that it is asked!! The answer should be plainly obvious. My standard of morality? For what topic? If general,....it is wrong to murder, steal from people, rape people, do things that harm others,......and also,....to be good to others. Help those in need. Treat people with respect.

[@Malhaloc]

@@DRayL_ "We give ourselves value. That's the difference. Star dust can't do that." And if it could, would that make it valuable? If I say I'm the greatest person on earth, does that make it so, just because I believe it? "As I stated above, for a healthy society to exist, people have to comport themselves in a specific way, else there is chaos. And chaos is extremely problematic and dangerous. Hence,...laws to keep people in check. If a random person wants to violate the autonomy of another person [do whatever they want], that doesn't make them right...and will place them in prison for their actions." I understand what you said. I was asking why a person is wrong if they don't care about building a healthy society. If morality is relative and I have kids that need food and education, or I just want to take more vacations, why shouldn't I steal from you to make that happen? "Why is a healthy society something to care about?? I've heard apologists ask this question many times,....and I'm honestly dumbfounded that it is asked!! The answer should be plainly obvious." To someone who sees living for a healthy society as the ultimate moral good, sure. But remember, morality is relative, not objective, right? So living for a healthy society is not objectively good. It's relatively good. And harming that healthy society is not objectively wrong. It's relatively wrong. To the person doing it, it's relatively good. You also have to ask which society we're talking about. To American society, you and I are really good people. To Iranian, Chinese, Russian, and North Korean society, we're the scum of the earth. Who's right? "My standard of morality? For what topic? If general,....it is wrong to murder, steal from people, rape people, do things that harm others,......and also,....to be good to others. Help those in need. Treat people with respect." That's your morality. By what standard do you say those things are moral? What's your measuring rod for morality? How do you determine what is moral or immoral? You've said it a few times in your response, "A healthy society", but that only begs the question, which society? The prosperity of American society means the enemies of America suffer. Why is it good that American society is healthy if other humans, specifically, the ones who want us dead, are unhappy? Doesn't that seem immoral to prosper at the detriment to others?

[@DRayL_]

@@Malhaloc "And if it could, would that make it valuable? If I say I'm the greatest person on earth, does that make it so, just because I believe it?" I honestly don't get the questions, as it related to my comment. Star dust can't. And no, what an individual believes doesn't make it "therefore true". "I understand what you said. I was asking why a person is wrong if they don't care about building a healthy society. If morality is relative and I have kids that need food and education, or I just want to take more vacations, why shouldn't I steal from you to make that happen?" For a society to work, it requires people behave to that cultures set standards. It doesn't matter what the individual wants. That's the point. "To someone who sees living for a healthy society as the ultimate moral good, sure. But remember, morality is relative, not objective, right? You also have to ask which society we're talking about. To American society, you and I are really good people. To Iranian, Chinese, Russian, and North Korean society, we're the scum of the earth. Who's right?" Often times we cannot know the "why" a culture is as it is. We, in America, see ours as a good culture...and it has some good characteristics. But it has some that aren't. Are we "right", as a culture, when we idolize sports ball players? When we talk about "achieving the American dream", which often leads to more and more selfishness? Who is "right" is very much subjective. And even when you through in religion,....the "god moral standard" isn't really purely objective...but the subjective characteristics people have granted it. "That's your morality. By what standard do you say those things are moral?" Again,...this is the problem...and the absurdity often brandished by apologists like Turek or Cliffe. We know why the things I mentioned are good for people to strive towards. Turek and Cliffe try to bully their religious belief into the topic, claiming "only a god can provide",......but it just is irrelevant banter. There hasn't been any credible or verifiable evidence of any "deity",....so the notion of "what a deity commands" is irrelevant. Religions books made claims,...but those were the beliefs of those ancient people.

[@Malhaloc]

"I honestly don't get the questions, as it related to my comment. Star dust can't. And no, what an individual believes doesn't make it "therefore true"." That's the point. Just because you say "I have value. I have value. I give myself value." Doesn't mean you're valuable. "For a society to work, it requires people behave to that cultures set standards. It doesn't matter what the individual wants. That's the point." Again, you're assuming that having a healthy society that works is an objective moral good. Why is it wrong for people to disagree? What makes them wrong and you right? Often times we cannot know the "why" a culture is as it is. We, in America, see ours as a good culture...and it has some good characteristics. But it has some that aren't. Are we "right", as a culture, when we idolize sports ball players? When we talk about "achieving the American dream", which often leads to more and more selfishness? Who is "right" is very much subjective. And even when you through in religion,....the "god moral standard" isn't really purely objective...but the subjective characteristics people have granted it. Exactly. So everyone has their idea of what's right or wrong, there's no moral objective, meaning no one's opinion of morality is any more correct than another's. That's exactly the point. If there is no God, there is no mind higher than the human mind, therefore it is up to the human mind to determine morality. It's just an opinion. Just a taste. Do you like murder or charity? Do you like beans or broccoli? "We know why the things I mentioned are good for people to strive towards." Then why do you get so angry and defensive and start throwing insults when I ask you to explain why? If you know, then answer my question. As much as you don't like Cliffe or Frank, one thing you never see them do is insult people because they ask a question. Especially if they're able to answer it. That particular move seems to be reserved exclusively for atheists. @@DRayL_

[@freyamccauley]

I would feel horrible to break puppy or babies neck. I do get the point though.

[@danielcoplin9609]

We are the same thing we are creating. A computer need a program for everything; Calculator, search engine, Calendar, face recondition, volume, without any of does this we will not be able to used them in the computer. So foe the same reason we have felling, desire, judgment, reasoning, ideas, anger, Jealousy. Every one of does is a program install by a designer.

[@ChairmanMeowNZ]

The guy with the Aotearoa tshirt yay New Zealand representing 🐱🇳🇿

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

This video has been out for 9 hours. Theo Skeptomai has already appeared in 14 different threads. His need for attention is becoming pathological.

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

@Our Savior hopefully it works as planned. Good luck at the doctor's.

[@robmc120]

I would say he's searching, but he's doesn't have discussions, he interrogates, because he doesn't answer your questions so he's not accountable to any claims, very childish. God bless you!

[@jessebryant9233]

First thread I've come across that doesn't have missing comments! (What is with KZbin and this ongoing glitch?)

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

@@robmc120 that's been my experience too. He pretends to be undecided on the issue but constantly makes comments that put ther lie to that pretense.

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

@@jessebryant9233 I suspect it's only a matter of time.

[@jackalsgate1146]

Cliff - "God put me (a Christian) on this planet to love and respect my fellow human beings." This Spanish Inquisition, during its existence, punished heretics as follows: 01) Burnt alive - 31,912 02) Burnt in effigy - 17,659 03) Heavily punished - 291,450 04) Total - 341,021 Quotes from Hitler in Mein Kampf - 1) "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them." 2) "The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." Seems to me, that Christianity, has a history of being one of the least moral religions in the world. And yet . . . you get your moral foundation from god. LMAO. Also Cliff - "Well . . . no one is perfect."

[@eb6359]

We are all sinners bud and need a Savior for our souls. Half of Hollywood has a cross tattooed on their bodies, yet they do drugs, sleep around, cheat on their partners etc. Hypocrite will not enter the Kingdom of God, Bible is very clear on that. Keep searching brother. All roads will take you to the dead end, death. Jesus is the Life eternal. Life is in the blood and he gave his own blood for all of us. Believe and you will be saved, a child can understand it.

[@sidwhiting665]

You are correct that people have stolen the name and auspices of Christ and used them to horrific ends, but I promise you that any follower of Christ would reject things such as the Spanish inquisition as corrupt, bearing only the name of Christianity, but not the characters or teachings of Christ. . Let's imagine for a moment that you have 5 children. Maybe you do; maybe you don't: we're just pretending. You raise them up to know right from wrong: you teach them kindness, goodness, patience, gentleness, peacefulness and self-control. For 18 years they live under your roof and see your example, lived out day by day, of all these moral concepts. You talk the talk and you walk the walk. . Then at age 19 two of your kids move out of the house. They go to college and one night they go out, get drunk, date rape a couple of girls, and get into an accident on the way home and kill someone. . Are you a bad father? Are your teachings incorrect? Shall I write your teaching off as false because of what your kids did? . Just so with Christ. Don't write him off for what his "kids" do. Ask yourself, what did HE do? What did HE teach? Is CHRIST good? . Christians always follow Christ. Therefore, since Christ rejected things such as murder and torture, we can confidently say that the people doing those things is his name were to blame, not Christ himself. It shouldn't be too difficult for us to understand that we don't blame the teacher when his students fail to understand or follow his teachings.

[@justingary5322]

@@sidwhiting665 Exactly people use any religious belief or ideology to justify their atrocities.

[@sidwhiting665]

@@justingary5322 , so what I hear you saying is that when people make up stuff that a religion doesn't actually teach and do atrocious things, we still blame the religion even though the people who claim they are following the religion actually aren't following the religion? I suppose we could then blame Humanist philosophy for every atrocity as well, since people who claim to be natural humanists refuse to follow the beliefs of human equality that came down to us from the Enlightenment...

[@jackalsgate1146]

@@eb6359 No . . . you need a savior, a scapegoat, to atone for the sins that you don't want to be punished for. Don't include me in with your vacuum.

[@adamturner8732]

Consciousness and identity are axioms. In order to identify something it presupposes things are that you are and that you have a mind to understand objective reality because things are what they are.

[@Yue4me]

Sheeeesh very tasty for the mind! intellectual honesty needs to be sharpen!

[@koyogreenslimited1083]

My faith has found a resting place, Not in device nor creed; I trust the Ever-living One, His wounds for me shall plead. I need no other argument, I need no other plea; It is enough that Jesus died, And that He died for me. 2 Enough for me that Jesus saves, This ends my fear and doubt; A sinful soul I come to Him, He’ll never cast me out. 3 My heart is leaning on the Word, The written Word of God, Salvation by my Savior’s name, Salvation through His blood.

[@ilovegodandjesusjohn316]

Proverbs 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.

[@Spongebob_movie_critic]

Only the holy Spirit can chsnge a person's heart When thst person opens their heart on their own free will God uses cliffe tho to plant seeds and do Gods work thru him by giving an account for people of the truth.

[@cullenkrishna5068]

"I think you know that's a ridiculous question" uh no it perfectly demonstrates his point

[@americannacho]

mans is spittin facts

[@robertmendez8383]

Hi Cliffe 👋

[@69shaboogie]

Some people just love their sin, and they try to find every angle to ignore the truth to the point of having an elementary point. I think they know the truth though.. They just want to be their own God. Keep up the great work Cliff/and Son. I love it.

[@trumpbellend6717]

There is no such thing as SIN only moral and immoral actions. The percieved whims of anyone's subjective imaginary friend are irrelevant in any discussion of morality dear 😉

[@sarahflanagan6679]

Yes!

[@sonofthunder1147]

Amen 🙏

[@Mikesimms2]

Can y’all start the next video y’all post from where this one left off…..This was getting good

[@spacecoastz4026]

Agree....the ending was much more interesting conversation than with the kid in the orange shirt.

[@KEVNXI]

i searched through his channel and found it : kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKjQaqSol5yagaM

[@jessebryant9233]

18:45 "I just value human life more." Okay, and what if someone else doesn't?

[@sarahgmaa4858]

yes!

[@danielcoplin9609]

It will be more passive for a discussion to not put as example ultimatums.

[@chatrinechin1066]

Can you upload videos with full conversation like until the end where everyone just went home?

[@sethydoodles_8852]

Hey Cliffe! Great work you do on these campuses. I need help from you. Somebody confronted me with a statement and said that " You wouldn't have believed in the faith that you do now if it weren't for Constantine because he modernised and produced the Bible." Could you help me with the history of the Bible pre-Constantine and the documents? Thanks in advance.

[@seungk8607]

Amazing knowledge, God grant you more wisdom so the world may know him better

[@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe]

Those determined to misunderstand, will.

[@PaidMeToWrite]

Morality maintains order and is an extension of creation just as laws of science maintain order in the physical world. The crux of the morality debate is who defines what is moral, God or the collective consensus of men. Then one has to consider evidence for the existence of God. An ordered universe governed by laws, fulfillment of prophecies, man's ingrained desire for purpose greater than self....all point to God.

[@olakeacev5023]

come to texas AnM!

[@gardenofseeden]

You guys are planting some good seeds. These kids are so pompous regurgitating words and thoughts from their liberal professors.

[@Sam-zu5mr]

Iv got an headache🤯 too much thinking for me.

[@the_alchemy_method]

To believe a philosophical system can explain away conscience is largely insane. I would ask - is it true that there is no absolute morality?

[@TheNewNationPodcast]

Is there gonna be a part 2????

[@KEVNXI]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKjQaqSol5yagaM

[@baslielalene4702]

God bless you Cliffe.

[@bnicolas1629]

Y’all always cut it off at the juicy parts lol 😂

[@JacobChacko3008]

Can somebody explain to me very simply what that last kid was talking about and what he wanted to know ? It wasn't getting anywhere...

[@Smfdydb]

Bro the last kid was so butthurt he almost started crying at the end💀

[@edd_menjr954]

What does cliff think about women preaching/being pastors?