"That's not how you draw Dinosaurs"

[@trevorpyka2052]

My toxic trait as an artist is to see somebody else draw something and have complete understanding of the drawing process while watching them do it and then I go off and try to do the same thing without reference just off the dome and when I can't do it I think I'm a bad artist. Looking at a picture for reference isn't cheating and it improves your art immensely.

[@Subjectively]

Gonna pin this so that everyone has the same revelation

[@barklols]

I’ve never felt so called out by a comment before

[@trevorpyka2052]

@@barklols I was thinking about you when I said it😡

[@GodzillasGhostGaming]

I felt like that for SO LONG. After a while of using reference images, I felt really stupid for not using them before.

[@apex2000]

As a youngster I had same revelation. So had a weirdly wonky ability to draw.

[@ChuckENanami]

"Surely, limiting an artist's creativity is the only wrong way to draw dinosaurs." UNFATHOMABLY BASED

[@PineMountainMusician]

Well there is a second, and that’s drawing the spoon as non aquatic(/s I am not getting into that argument lmfao-)

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@PineMountainMusician spoons were flying dinosaurs, the spine supported an airsack full of helium

[@supme7558]

Artists used loosly

[@daylearmstrong4447]

There is a fantastic meme of "dinosaurs bound by scientific realism" and "dinosaurs with full creative freedom" and it describes my feelings perfectly. All this talk about creative expressions but everyone trying to do dinosaurs with no regard for scientific accuracy almost always make the same boring Jurassic Park dinosaur as the last guy

[@PineMountainMusician]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 you know, I’ve never had a typo turn out so beautifully-

[@StellaCrowley]

If you want to be pedantic, a lot of cave paintings are depictions of prehistoric animals, which to me will always be one of the coolest things ever

[@Subjectively]

I don’t want to be pedantic, but I love that you pointed that out! It’s amazing to think that some humans were painting now-extinct animals from life!

[@StellaCrowley]

@@SubjectivelyThat's exactly how I feel, which is why I pointed it out :p

[@darkonyx6995]

@@Subjectively Some of these cave paintings even helped paleontologists to figure out the appearance of many extinct mammals. Because of them, paleontologists were able to determine that Siberian Mammoths were wooly before any fur was found, that Wooly Rhinoceros had an Anteater-like band running across it's belly, that Cave Lions lacked manes and likely didn't had any pattern, Marsupial Lions were striped like a Tasmanian Tiger, Cave Hyenas were spotted like their African counterparts, Megaloceros had a white neck and an unique stripe configuration that no other living animal has today, with black stripes running down it's hump and dividing it's light-brown body in three segments and that Przewalski's Horses were ginger with white bellies and fuzzy before living individuals were found.

[@itsguppy7283]

Love the comment section of subjectively, I get new revelations all the time in this community

[@StellaCrowley]

@@darkonyx6995I wasn't sure if I remembered correctly, but yes absolutely, another thing I love about them!

[@xanderomeister7828]

Note/correction Tyrannosaurus is not an avian dinosaur, it is nonavian (bird or avian explicitly refers to actual crown birds, with beaks, wings, no tails and what have you). However, it is a theropod, the group to which birds belong, and part of the same clade, Coelurosauria. A few have stretched the definition to include very birdlike dinosaurs, namely raptors or archaeopteryx, but this is not favoured by most workers.

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

Yeah, it's weird how this misnomer came about, I mean it probably comes mostly from the chicken T. Rex DNA similarities thing that people often say, but it obviously seems to be an assumption that if something applies to one carnivorous dinosaur it applies to the T. Rex

[@maxoyew2965]

I’m pretty sure the avian and nonavian thing refers to the hip structure, no?

[@minseo19]

@@maxoyew2965 avian dinosaurs refer to the group of dinosaurs that evolved into modern birds, in the other hand, non-avian dinosaurs refer to the dinosaurs that lived during the Mesozoic Era but did not give rise to birds.

[@maxoyew2965]

@@minseo19 Gotcha. Thank you for responding gracefully too. Lots of people get pretentious when correcting others about dinosaurs, so I appreciate you being nice about it 😊

[@c1b0rg1342]

Also, an interesting fact is that the first avian dinosaurs, those we would recognize as birds nowadays, predated T-rex by a few million years, so our pal king of the tyrant lizards would have met some flying feathered guys

[@FredtheDinosaurman]

As a paleoartist, this was a great video about the subject and the many wonderful and exciting ways we can enjoy prehistory. A few anatomical and pronunciation errors aside, I think what you've done is a great window into the topic. I appreciate the research and understanding put into this video. Cheers! 🦖🦕

[@Subjectively]

It wouldn’t be a dinosaur video without a few pronunciation errors 🤘 thanks a bunch!!

[@takenname8053]

I should have known you would be here! :)

[@Lamaschida1423]

Hiii i'm a fan of u, u make awesome videossss

[@rickcharlespersonal]

Nothing brings the paleoart community together like a video about dinosaurs in art. 👌🏻

[@Tenerens1s]

loved ur claymation fights back then

[@josiebianchi3481]

Actually the definitive CORRECT way to draw dinosaurs is with crayons on lined paper at age 6

[@Coopkaboom]

Fr

[@whiterunguardGreg]

10:02 I thought of the skeleton known as Sue immediately, I loved seeing her as a kid and still have a plush of her somewhere

[@Rells2coolpeoplehavebadtastes.]

I have a dinosaur book that talks about Sue that I had since I was little. Sufice to say, I love her too

[@ScanovatheCarnotaurus]

I’d argue Jurassic World conveys the fantasy category you described rather than the Jurassic Park trilogy, which is more of a hybrid between the two like dinotopia. The idea that Jurassic Park didn’t care about accuracy is a myth. For the time, almost all of the dinosaurs were solid-perfect reconstructions of what we knew about them. There’s only a few exceptions (Dilophosaurus, velociraptor, pteranodon and Ceratosaurus in JP3). Versus Jurassic World which does not care and it’s explicitly said as such in the first JW film.

[@WesPresto]

I would say "I didn't expect to see you here," but no your presence makes total sense. Glad to see you're a Subjectively enjoyer as well!

[@glarnboudin4462]

Thing is, that's *also* not true - JP dinosaurs were accurate for the time, yes, but they're still exaggerated to hell and back even then.

[@MrTroodon_Official]

@@glarnboudin4462 Not really, the most out there thing was the Dilophosaurus frill, everything beyond that was incredibly minor things like slit pupils and semi lipped theropods. Incredibly tame stuff compared to the Jurassic World films.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@MrTroodon_Official Nah, they pretended that the rex had bad sight and statedit as a scientific fact, and dromeosaurs with feathers were already depicted, so nah.

[@glarnboudin4462]

@@MrTroodon_Official Nope. Even at the time, Rexy's face was extremely exaggerated from real tyrannosaurs - it's like comparing a real-life human to how comic book artists draw the Joker. I'm not saying this to denigrate JP's dinosaurs - they were absolutely groundbreaking - but the insistence by the paleo community that they weren't meant to be, well, movie monsters is revisionism at best and mindlessly swallowing a thirty-year-old marketing gimmick at worst.

[@DefinitelyNotPedro]

We have found Tyrannosaurus rex scales- yes, and the fossils themselves are brown in color, but thats probably because of the mineralization process. In reality the color either is not preserved or there havent been any studies on potential color evidence for those scales. So for now the color of Tyrannosaurus rex is up for debate. Also note that many birds have feathers in between scales, so its good to not rule out feathers on trex- although the extent of those feathers was probbaly limited given the size of the animal and the temperature of where it lived! Another thing is that those scales are extremely tiny (i believe 1-2 mm in diameter), so their skin would really just look like hide or bare skin until you got really close to see the scales!

[@RaptorNX01]

yeah, but no evidence of feathers have been found in connection to Rex. the only reason many create feathered rexes is because a very distant relative MAY have had feathers. and also cause they like feathered dinos

[@DefinitelyNotPedro]

@@RaptorNX01 well yes 2 Tyrannosauroids were found with simple feathers, and there are evidences from many other theropods, some ornithischians and pterosaurs. Its very possible that feathwrs were ancestral to the Avemetatarsalia and that many of the commonly scaly dinosaurs could have remnants of their ancestry like Elephants and whales still having some hair!

[@maple22moose44]

@@RaptorNX01There is no direct evidence, but we can infer it. Lets say you want to find out someone's eye colour, but you cant look at their eyes. Well their brother has green eyes, and so does their cousin, so its safe to assume they have green eyes too. The person you're guessing is t. rex, the brother is yutyrannus, and the cousin is birds, and green eyes is feathers. It likely didn't have complex feathers, but there were probably at least some vestigial proto-feathers, similar to the sparse hair on elephants today, which are only slightly smaller but live in a much much hotter environment.

[@gargolus.]

Oh hey Pedro. Just wanted to say I love your stuff man

[@DefinitelyNotPedro]

@@gargolus.hey! I appreciate that, thanks!!

[@synderthmc]

The bone wars also caused a taxononic nightmare as you would expect from a pissing context were two dudes named a new species for every bone they found to try and one-up each other

[@insectilluminatigetshrekt5574]

Jurassic Park dinosaurs were an overlap of science and fantasy, since they were actually pretty accurate with the knowledge of the time. They did research when making them

[@coolgreenbug7551]

If I remember correctly, feathers on dinosaurs were discovered right after the movie came out

[@oddvar4578]

​@@coolgreenbug7551No, feathered dinosaurs had been known among scientists before it came out.

[@Skipppppy]

LOVING the cold open about the crystal palace dinosaurs. My mum grew up in Sydenham like 5 minutes away and told me that those statues are hollow on the inside and my uncle used to hide in them with his friends to smoke weed instead of going to school

[@kovi-kovi-viko]

weed dinosaurs... the asteroid hit them like a blunt.

[@CHANN3L_NAME]

Smoking weed inside of a dinosaur statue sounds chill ngl

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

Did You Watch Primal Series Of Episode 1 Before.

[@ARGAtheropodfan]

Paleoartist here! Excellent video! There are some mistakes here and there (T. rex is a non-avian dinosaur, we don't know it's skin color and your anatomy could use some work) but at large you did a great job at presenting and diving into the topic. Paleoart is such a fun, engaging and interesting topic, and I think you did it justice here! And yes, I'd LOVE to contribute to your assignment! :D

[@ashgcy]

As a mega nerd myself, the issue for most of us isn’t that JP is inaccurate, it’s that people can’t separate fact from fiction. Dinosaur media is dinosaur media, and we LOVE dinosaurs! Of course we at the very least enjoy watching those films! The issue is, a lot of people out there take those films as fact, and throw near temper tantrums over the fact the animals are suddenly not scary because our understanding of them changed. All in all though, excellent video, really awesome to see the attention on one of my biggest interests, and I’ll leave the corrections to the already existing comments ;)

[@kovi-kovi-viko]

this. lots of this. you'll see people go through great lengths to justify that fiction HAS to conform to fact every step of the way because it'll either suspend their disbelief or to them, it'll be a circus. I've never seen a community that was *this* extremely picky about the stuff that comes out regarding prehistoric animals, it would give the Godzilla community a run for their money. makes me wonder if these people use that same passion to tell people about their misconceptions with modern animals, but they get a pass it looks like. I feel like there needs to be a greater variety of dinosaur media honestly. some more horror here and there, maybe some media focusing on the peaceful moments of these dinosaurs. maybe even speculate about creatures that don't appear in the fossil record (bugs. lots of them).

[@gyrrakavian]

What's really interesting about the whole velociraptor thing is that at the time Chrichton was writing his book, there was a debate going about whether _Deinonychus antirrhopus_ should be considered a species of Velociraptor or its own genus of Dromaeosaurid. They're even listed as _Velociraptor _*_antirrhopus_* instead of _Velociraptor mongoliensis_ in a reference list at the front of some hardback editions of the book.

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

@@gyrrakavianI Read That Book, That Was Bloody Epic And Terrifying But Sick Book 🤩👑.

[@davedog0984]

The good thing about Jurassic Park is that the dinosaurs are "impure" ie. they're mixed with other species which can easily explain why they look inacurate

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@gyrrakavian technically the book velociraptors are neither mongoliensis nor antirrhopus , grant thinks they are antirrhopus because of how they look but Wu thinks they are mongoliensis because of where the dna was sourced from. this is combined with the fact Gregory S. Paul's book Predatory Dinosaurs of the World was a reference of chrichton's, where a newly discovered dromaeosaur 'bigger than antirrhous' was referenced, there is thus a theory the then new dromaeosaur is what JP raptors are in the books atleast. and this dromaeosaur was later classified as Achilllobator, which happen to be the same siaze as book raptors reinforcing the fan theory.

[@MadlyMesozoic]

Sauropods wading through water and eating seaweed are still my favorite pieces of paleo art. I don't care if they're inaccurate, they're awesome.

[@chunkykong01]

Yo! Nice to see u here partner

[@domesticus2958]

There's no reason a sauropod wouldn't ever take a dip in a lake and eat water plants, so I'd say it's not inaccurate at all! Certain tropes like this can still be justified even if they represent different ideas.

[@cartooncatboy3009]

@@domesticus2958 it’s probably inaccurate Sorry if I sound rude.😅

[@domesticus2958]

@@cartooncatboy3009 How is it inaccurate? There’s no reason why sauropods couldn’t go in water occasionally

[@cukrajnis7515]

@@domesticus2958if they were submerged in water in a way old paleoart depicts it they would have a wery hard time breathing because of the water pressure. i belive that was one of the reasons why scientists turned away from that hypothesis and started to look into ways they could support their mass on land, i could be wrong tho

[@luskart]

Really cool video, a pleasant surprise to see paleoart talked about. One correction thouh - dinosaurs like the trex couldn't bend their wrists downward in the way you reconstructed them. This iconic hand pose is sadly only possible if their wrists are broken.

[@TerraVulture]

Indeed, they could only have their palms facing each other

[@domesticus2958]

I believe the illustration is actually portraying the wrists correctly, the fingers are just curling inwards towards each other. It's a bit of a perspective issue.

[@luskart]

​@@domesticus2958 That kind of movement of the fingers would only be possible if the wrist was bent inwards, which is precisely what we know couldn't happen. The fingers should be facing the other way (as if he was about to clap).

[@domesticus2958]

@@luskartWhat I'm saying is that I think the drawing is portraying the fingers facing each other correctly, they're just curling inward away from the viewer, not downward. It's drawn a bit weirdly so it's hard to tell but I think that's what's going on.

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

@@luskartAre U Talking About The Artist Or Something

[@justindragongarza5401]

I just want to point out that Jack makes the "sauropod-plesiosaur crocodile" thinking he made a dinosaur inspired fantasy creature In reality he unintentionally made a very stylized depiction of tanystropheus, a Prolacertiform from the Mid Triassic.

[@butecodesentina1766]

I was going to say that he created a weird Lagiacrus from Monster Hunter.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

Yeah he succeded at making a rad creature, but probably accidentally failed at his supposed depiction of fantasy paleoart, but hey if we go back in time we can findsny creatures resmbling fiction so i dunno i wouldn't call a dragon paleoart unless the designs follows and specifies that is a dinosaur and the design somehow justifies it. Like the peter jackson's king kong book.

[@SamuRhino2023]

You could come up with the most random lizard monster as a concept for a fantasy creature, but it turns out it actually existed and has a name you wouldn’t dare try to pronounce. Unless you’re like me. Also, should packs of Tyrannosaurus be called a “nightmare”? Let me know your thoughts!

[@samuraibeluga3749]

you reaching here tbh XD is it a depiction of something just because it has a somewhat similar bodyplan?

[@theblackhawk4696]

@@butecodesentina1766with a rathalos color scheme lol

[@Daisythepage]

16:51 we only have a couple of skin impressions from T. rex as far as I’m aware but that color pallet is plausible based on the habitat they were living in! It’s also possible that it had a coat of feathers similar to the coat of fur you have on your arms or that elephants have on their back (the fur on your arms actually helps sweat evaporate making the human cooling system even more efficient!)

[@Luklus3003]

Palaeontology student here, Tyrannosaurus is not an avian dinosaur (bird). It may be within the clade Coelurosauria, which includes all theropod dinosaurs more closely related to birds than to Carnosauria, but it is not within Aves, thus it is still a non-avian dinosaur. Edit: Also, there are several flaws with the accurate Tyrannosaurus drawing itself, as pointed out by other comments (head is too small, tail too short, issues with the hands, and more, etc). Edit 2: Normally, I don't bother correcting palaeo inaccuracies in yt videos, but this disappointed me greatly. I'll maybe answer some of the questions in the replies to this comment eventually, I am very busy.

[@beastmaster0934]

As the saying goes. “All birds are dinosaurs, but not all dinosaurs are birds.”

[@s0ph053]

@@beastmaster0934I believe the same applies to reptiles.

[@calvintuber15000]

​@@s0ph053 You mean "All dinosaurs are reptiles, but not all reptiles are dinosaurs", right?

[@benjaminehren7965]

@@calvintuber15000and all birds are reptiles.

[@calvintuber15000]

@@benjaminehren7965 Fellow Clint fan, I see?

[@ZunkleFunkle]

WHEN ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE ART CHANNELS STARTS DISCUSSING ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE ART TOPICS

[@_anonymous_creature_]

FR!!! I LOVE SUBJECTIVELY AND I LOVE DINOSAURS

[@000Idiote]

I like how he tried to make a totally unique fantasy creature thats mishmash of a sauropod a crocodile and a plesiosaur and ended up accendentally inventing an oversized tanystropheus

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

Which Show Or Movie When This Guy’s Tired

[@thebestgaminginotter4573]

Maybe a drawing month or challenge for the "Mayzosoic" mezosoic or the Dinovember

[@evolvingdragon1793]

there's already mermay so November it is

[@jonathanjacob2053]

I guess you aren’t aware of Dinocember

[@velocichungus]

Jurassic June

[@thebestgaminginotter4573]

@@velocichungus more like July6thpark

[@Aghul]

As a child, who always wanted to be a Paleontologist from the moment I could pronounce that word, and also as an artist, paleo art (and wildlife art as a whole) has always been one of my favorite things! Some of the first books my parents got me - and which were technically way beyond my reading level, but I was OBSESSED - were scientific almanachs of prehistoric animals and endangered species and I LOVED the intricate art in those! Edit: Love the trilobite armor on your fantasy warrior lady! Such a cool detail! Also, in terms of maybe cartoo/scientific overlap, I can wholeheartedly recommend the channel Dead Sound (here on youtube) and his "Dinosauria" series! He even made amazing making-of videos of each episode! And the very same artist has another series, "Sauria", which would also fit in the cartoon/fantasy or fantasy/scientific overlap - perhaps even the exact middle.

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

I Know Dead Sound, Dead Sound Made This Fantastic Animation Of Dinosaurs.

[@seandewar47]

Ok, the Accurate T. Rex has some issues that kinda go beyond the "Science Marching on" point. The head's too small, the neck is too S-curved, the arms are semi-pronated, the fingers are the same length, the body is too compact and "Squashed", and Tail's too short. While EXTREMELY well drawn, it kinda reaches like an uncanny valley of accurate dinosaurs if I'm making any sense. it walks that fine line of looking accurate at first glance, but the more you look at it, the smaller inaccuracies add up, making the design ironically inaccurate

[@seandewar47]

@Marioland20001 ah yes, that too. Good eye

[@Subjectively]

But do I get at least a B?

[@seandewar47]

@@Subjectively Eh B- or C+

[@isaac2499]

i knew something was wrong, idk if it's a point but for me it looked like it'd tip over in the front, the tail just didn't "feel" heavy enough to serve as a weight balancing it all horizontally.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@Subjectively C

[@dank_smirk2ndchannel200]

I’ve always had a soft spot for old-school paleoart of seal-like icthyosaurs. I just think they’re neat.

[@ThunderXSurge]

This video gave me a warm smile that lead to tears. Loving all 3 styles, and loving dinosaurs and all animals deeply, it was also an exploration of why we love these beings that impacted us. This video showed me a soul that longs to understand dinosaurs deeply, and still isnt ashamed to draw two friendly duck bills having a family lake day. Its a nostalgic look into our own pasts, into an optimism of learning more in the future. Beautiful video, Jack. I can never praise your channel enough to my friends.

[@jgr7487]

7:55 And there is the memetic Spinofaarus! Now, on a more serious note, scientific paleoartists not only translate the newest most scientifically correct design to the public, but some of them also help scientists to visualise how a certain hypothesis might be the right one, as it makes more sense. Spinofaarus checks now of these boxes, it's just a beloved meme.

[@Blackfish-m3h]

We still didnt see dinosaurs yet

[@witchingstar]

As a museum educator, I really love this video so much! A lot of paleonerds obviously left a lot of comments (yay for your engagement, I guess?), but I'll go ahead and give you some commentary on your educational style. 1) Your tone is lovely throughout this video. You are incredibly encouraging and thoughtful with what you say. You are clearly putting a lot of thought into your subject matter. 2) I love the fact that you're "doing the assignment" along with the audience, and your homework at the end is great. Maybe consider having it written out on one of your ending screens? 3) I'm not sure if your future videos like this will have quite so much historical basis, but please consider citing your sources! Even though a lot of people are correcting you on your dino knowledge (which unfortunately is bound to happen -- even I have people correcting me and I work at a museum), you clearly did your research, so show your work. 4) I'm not sure if your future videos will also be tied to natural history or existing animals, but it may be useful for you to have a disclaimer. I have been a Subjectively fan for a long time so I know this is an art channel, but I wouldn't be surprised if some viewers completely missed that. Overall, I think this is a beautifully done presentation about paleoart. You really capture the wonder and philosophy of why we draw and create dinosaurs. Please do more videos like this ♥️

[@DedCity]

When I’m drawing paleo art my favorite way to think about it is by taking the most opposed sides of the most controversial debates of any subject and paint both. Cry and seethe at my fully marine Spinosaurus hanging out with my 100% terrestrial, allergic to water, desert dwelling Spinosaurus.

[@kovi-kovi-viko]

thanks for reminding me of that one Adventure Time episode where Finn screams from being touched... by a single water drop. actually a pretty fun idea you got there too, implies that there was a common spinosaurid ancestor that was neither adapted to water or the hot desert until they evolved to specialize in those environments. it's like hippos and whales sorta thing

[@zenebean]

This made me remember the anime Dinosaur King where the dinosaurs were companions like pokemon that battle looking like mostly realistic dinosaurs. Outside of battle they became really cute chibi versions the protags could get away just walking around with. Really liked seeing the respective styles of each dinosaur (spino was my fav). Enjoyed your art and breakdowns, and your discussion of DeFoe and Gurney, big fans of them.

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

I Love Fire Type Of Dinosaur Is Terry The T-Rex.

[@windmill9998]

"at the end of each of these videos, i'll have a little "homework" all of you to do" me: **huge happy smile** :D))

[@PrimalGamer2656]

I personally prefer to draw my dinosaurs more accurately but I also draw Jurassic Park style dinosaurs too as both are fun to draw , I always appreciate the art of the past simply to show how we’ve grown in our knowledge of these amazing animals

[@ascrinkleyfellow]

Hearing you mention Daniel made my animalogic heart race, this is such a wonderful video

[@blackberrythefox117]

Same

[@LowRankingSparrow6145]

Your colour scheme on the “accurate” rex give strong WWD vibes, also, your reference to tyrannosaurus being reddish brown might come from borealopelta, which has an amazing fossil which preserved many interesting things, such as keratin and melanosomes, allowing us to see what it’s colour would have been.

[@SEGAmastergirl]

Wait, Danielle DuFault of animalogic? I knew she was an artist but I had no idea of her paleoart credentials.

[@blackberrythefox117]

I believe she's brought it up before but I forgot where

[@drthehunterman]

Not enough hype for her on this video, would've been cool if he did an animal logic shout out but I get it I guess

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

@@blackberrythefox117Did U Watch Primal Series Before

[@iamboxelz7276]

This was very comprehensive of the different subgenres of paleo art! It was also a trip down memory lane. I remember having that how dinosaurs say goodnight book and dinosaur train was one of my favorite shows when I was little.

[@yeahbutthendragons152]

While I love all the commenters sharing their knowledge and find them doing so in a remarkably respectful way for a KZbin comment section, I think the fact that Jack is not a professional at this and makes mistakes in his "scientific design" actually adds to the video! After all, it's those types of perceptions and mistakes that have changed in our understanding and led to a lot of the very change in our dinosaur perception he was describing.

[@Cryophobia-cp7mx]

My toxic trait is that im too fucking autistic to draw anything that isnt a skrungly..

[@McFlamejob77]

There are 2 wolves in me, contemporary paleo accuracy and the nostalgic desire to see a purple Tyrannosaurus and call back to Megatron in Beastwars

[@Fajman.personal]

Hey jack! Great video so far, just wanna say, T. rex is not an avian dinosaur, its a non-avian dinosaur. Avian dinosaurs are actually a very deriaved group, its members of Avialae that are Avian. I get that its confusing given that a lot of the other groups i clude Aves in them, but its Avialae and down, which T. rex is not a part of. I believe the cobfusion arose because of Averostra. Edit: I also want to say i delivered on my "urmm actually 🤓☝️" promise

[@Fajman.personal]

And i wanna add, id love seeing more of this type of work! And other than that mistake, and some questionable chiropractic exercises to the rexes neck, she looks great!

[@Oscar97o]

Yep, T. rex is a theropod dinosaur, so it is relatively closely related to birds which are also theropod dinosaurs, but it isn't a bird.

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

@@Fajman.personalDid U Watch Primal Series Of Episode 1 And Other Episodes Before .

[@maxoyew2965]

Your fantasy dinosaur honestly looks like the strange child of a Tigrex from Monster Hunter and a Tanystropheus. I like it!

[@nike8276]

ohhh, I´m excited for this new series, i love the concept!

[@gonzalitorg5124]

Charm + Science= Best style

[@Cuckoorex]

I really enjoyed the video. A few side notes/tidbits of info: James Gurney and some other artists will often make models of varying levels of detail to serve as a reference for lighting, especially. It's a great tactic! Paleort "genres": In the past few years, some online communities have taken to referring to the art with high fidelity to scientific models and evidence as "Paleoart" while referring to the fantasy/cartoon images as "paleoimagery" as a kind of distinction. I don't see it as a manifestation of snootiness (at least I don't intend for it to be), but rather a framework within which I can appreciate each type of art for what it is attempting to achieve. It's also helpful when I'm trying to ascertain what someone's goal is if they ask for a critique; if they're striving for paleoart, then anatomy, posture, likely behaviors (dicey, to be sure) and possibly known integument is going to be a major focus. Someone presenting paleoimagery, on the other hand, might be looking for feedback on elements of composition, color, value, etc. There is, of course, overlap here, too.

[@SaladTheSalandit]

Tyrannosaurus is not an avian species do to not being a close relative of the group that birds are in ( miniraptora if that’s how you spell it) which includes most things we call raptors. Tyrannosaurus is in the family tyranosauradia ( don’t know how you spell it but that’s my best guess)

[@SnubbyDaArtist]

Paleo Art is such a fascinating topic, as a Dinosaur (Avian or not) fan, this is spectacular to see James Gurney! ^^

[@wondaraptor]

I was a few days ago in a museum of zoology and geology in Kyiv! It was so cool to see again old fossils and new added ones, end especially seeing not updated 100 y.o. illustrations of dinosaurs 😭 at least they were beatiful ngl, especially with animals that were enxtinct not so long time ago

[@Wince_Media]

You are my absolutely favorite art KZbin channel. Your points about both art AND dinosaurs brings me to tears with how happy it makes me. I have never seen someone put so much love into art before. I hope I'll be a tenth as amazing as you guys

[@firytwig]

10:49 time to give a palaeontology lesson to the palaeontology lesson. No, it is not. Tyrannosaurus falls into the clade coelurosauria. This *includes* the birds but tyrannosaurus itself isn’t. If you want more detail coelurosauria is largely divided into two clades, tyrannosauroidea and maniraptoriformes. Tyrannosauroidea includes Tyrannosaurus and its relatives, while maniraptoriformes includes birds and their relatives such as the therizinosauria and dromaeosauridae (which includes velociraptor). Also some notes on the reconstruction of Tyrannosaurus itself. The head is a little small compared to the body and should be a little longer. The neck is too short and the chest is too tall. Tyrannosaurus did have a rather large torso and was heavily built but it was mornein the belly rather than the chest. The hands are pronated (facing down), when they should be facing each other and not be curled up like that. It’s hard to tell (largey because of the pronation) but I think the fingers are also wrong. The first digit would be shorter overall but have a larger claw. The tail is also far too small overall, especially in length. I won’t nitpick too much of the minor anatomy scuh as the exact size, number, shape (or presence) of bones, but I will say that the legs (except the massively thick thighs) look a little skinny, especially the shin area. The hip area also appears to be a bit small in general, the ischium would protrude further back and then be smoother over with flesh. 12:55 btw the term is shrink wrapping, not skin wrapping. Although skin wrapping would be a much more clever name but might lose some of its implied meaning. Also those Tyrannosaurus aren’t very shrink wrapped at all. They are missing some heft but the term usually implies when you can see bones visible through the flesh and skin. 16:40 I am not aware of and could not find any studies on the colour of Tyrannosaurus. That specific phrasing seems to be that of Borealopelta which lived in a different ecosystem (Clearwater Formation, Alberta, 110-112 ma vs 68-66 ma Hell Creek Formation, Montana), filled a very different niche (low browsing herbivore), and was very distantly related (ornithischian, not even a saurischian)

[@TheMasterOfTheFrets]

Knight is such a fantastic contribution to both the science and the craft. He really brought them to life

[@Draedaja]

Amazing video, series and concept! Love all the dinos - gaunt and scary, chonky and fluffy, gimme gimme. Not gonna do my homework, but I am very excited for everyone else's works.

[@tcreator4914]

As someone who wants to work with paleo art, i never found a video that explained it very well, and i'm so so glad you made this video

[@richardaraujofreitas]

Two of my favorite things coming together in one video. That's the best birthday gift ever!!

[@pixelatedblake4960]

I graduated from art school last year, and this felt like being back in anatomy class in the BEST way. Please keep this series going!!

[@homeishere2089]

Fossil fighters not mentioned.. sadge…

[@kovi-kovi-viko]

someday bro, someday...

[@anindhitakiranaisa5815]

I love that,too❤ including dinosaur king and every dinosaur's cartoon from Japan into Korea.

[@hansdykstra3869]

I love that decided to make such a well thought out essay on this point. I see often that people look at subject matter (especially dinosaurs) as having one "correct" way to visually depict them.

[@londoncintron680]

The odds of this showing up just as I've figured out a dinosaur-related project. It's definitely in the cartoon/fantasy categories, being inspired heavily by things like Beast Wars. The main protagonist is a Deinonychus!

[@Axecon1]

This is the type of content I really enjoy seeing from this channel. Glad to see you branch beyond the Mazah region!

[@Scoonga_Doonga]

I draw all my dinosaurs with feathers. All of them. Every single one. Feathers are fuckin rad

[@Scoonga_Doonga]

@Marioland20001 ye but they'd be more rad if they had them 😎

[@lovepeople777]

I would if they WEREN'T SO HARD TO DRAWWWW 😭😭😚😭

[@rh_4m]

The funny thing is that this might not be entirely wrong; not that you'd see a stegosaurus covered in fluff, but it's very unlikely that feathers served solely as integument in dinosaurs It's more than reasonable to think that most dinosaurs could have had features like eyelashes, ear and nose hairs (or in this case, feathers), whiskers, and similar sensory features even if the rest of the animal wasn't feathered. In fact we see these exact features on countless flightless birds, even secondary flightless ones like the kakapo And considering the fossils of kulindadromeus and tianyulong, feathers in dinosaurs was likely ancestral to all of them, so its very plausible that all dinosaurs could have possessed these sorts of features.

[@rh_4m]

​@Marioland20001unless I'm missing something here, a lot of scientist's deduction of these dinosaurs not having feathers is based on their skin being scaly But it's important to note that simply having scales doesn't completely rule out the possession of feathers; for instance, there are some chicken breeds like the booted bantam have feathers on their scaly feet. Unless there's more information here that I'm missing, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

[@SamuRhino2023]

Don’t you dare put feathers on Spinosaurus

[@thegeck5831]

35:00 YEEAAH DEINOCHEIRUS BABY I love this video and this subject! Paleoart is definitely a subject that should be discussed more on KZbin, and you did a great job here!

[@WesPresto]

I'd love to see you participate in Dinovember this year! That or creating a new paleoart themed enigmorph would be great as well. Either one would be fantastic to see.

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

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[@lou_lou6479]

31:59 the change in music is Area Zero from Pokemon Scarlet/Violet

[@Twentynyne]

i really love this video so far

[@zelenpixel]

charles r knights paleoart is so strikingly beautiful regardless of how inaccurate the animals look today also yeah pretty sure avian dinosaur literally just means a bird love the art drawn here. theyre consecutively beautiful, cool and cute. the third one makes me so happy its so adorable

[@thechoripankiller]

21:37 this reminds me of a literary genre mostly coined by Gabriel García Marquez, a latin-american writter. They describe his style as "magical realism", for the detail and daily life feeling he described supernatural ocurrences. For intance, on his most famous book, 100 years of solitude (amazing book by the way), one of the (many, many) characters gets killed by someone unknown in their own house. Blood started dripping from the hole the gunshot left, and started to trail on the floor in a straight line. The blood took a very precise path on the floor, going under the door to the street, making turns left and right, until reaching the house of his mother (it might as been his mother in law, I can't remember exactly). On a different chapter, a girl who is described as the most beautiful of them all, while hanging clothes to dry, a gust of wind wrapes her on the bedsheets she was hanging and make her float with the wind into the sky, and just disappears to never be seen again. And he doesn't explain anything, these things just happen, as if it was natural, as if it was a part of the world they live in, without any wizard or demon or spirit involved, making them happen. It's magic enveloped in their daily life, or their daily life enveloped in magic.

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

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[@moro22077]

Idk if anyone has pointed it out or not, but I really loved your cartoon take an Deinocheirus. It keeps the basic idea of the animal in tact while allowing room for you to stylize and make it your own thing. Really good work, idk how I haven't stumbled onto your channel before now :)

[@xackbellegaming3491]

8:10 never thought I’d see the KZbin show animalogic referenced in a subjectively video, worlds collide! Danielle is an outstanding artist

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

Did You Watch Primal Series Before

[@jdjosh1222]

CM Koseman is also the father of speculative evolution, a science-based artistic movement that focuses on the hypothetical evolutionary paths of certain species. Koseman made several illustrations on human speculative evolution. Given your interests in cosmic horror, this could be right up your alley Jack 👀

[@nobodishere]

I like to draw not-quite-scientific-not-quite-fantasy dinos, just enjoying their time, vibing with eachother while having pretty patterns, being chubbier than would be realistic and being fluffy as anything.

[@kannonlewis4183]

With this video, I may still have hope for this guy to tackle the genre of Kaiju Art

[@joschuaknuppe5849]

As a paleoartist I always appreciate when someone from the outside tries to tackle this subject, for all the influence our profession has, the mechanisms and people behind it are rarely in the spotlight. Thank you! Personally I would not include the fantasy category in here, paleoart can inform creature design in fantasy but I don't count it among it. Paleoart doesn't need to be bound to realism, be educational or has to go without storytelling, but most of us these days agree that it's bound to the fossils. ;) But I will not start a big discussion here, way too many words have already been spend on that topic.

[@unknownpresences5627]

I love that you added in my favorite game Path of titans to represent different skin colors/designs using a clip of their allosaurus and ceratosaurus

[@rinco1532]

Cheers to all my friends out there who never lost their love for dinosaurs and giant monsters from when they were just little kids

[@elim_inator]

I'm currently working on a dinosaur-themed set of tarot cards. I think my style falls somewhere in the middle of your diagram. I reference research and more professional paleo artists' artwork for general shape and posture, but then I give them fantastical bright colors and lots of fluffy feathers - probably too many feathers in a lot of cases -, and my general art style is quite cartoony, especially in the faces, which tend to be more expressive than they probably were in life. I sometimes doubt if there's any real worth in my artwork because I will learn something new and realize that some element of my artwork is now incorrect, but I think it's also interesting to view this art project as a journey of learning to better understand animals, anatomy, and art alike.

[@yukii381]

You mentioned so many artists shows and movies to make a paleo nerd swoon. Would love for you to talk about Dinosaur King because… Dinosaur King.

[@kovi-kovi-viko]

that shit is the GOAT 🔥

[@rockymagana3580]

25:01 That water dinosaur looks between Joanna from the rescuers down under and that Rock climbing reptile in Star wars as Obi-Wan Kenobi's mount.

[@UsingGorillaLogic]

I think ultimately a lot of people who have stances on dinosaur art tend to have the bad habit of being rude and toxic and ultimately the real answer is to be passionate with sharing what you enjoy about dinosaurs. I love dinosaurs and the science, but when I share that info with people I always talk about how cool they were and what not rather than calling other people dumb for things they liked about dinosaurs etc.

[@Jormyyy]

I think this might take the cake as my new favorite video of yours. I always love Mermay, Smaugust, and so many others, but this one just hit different. Pure excellence the whole way through.

[@whitetiana3022]

"SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE DIAGRAM" shows picture of spinosaurus, the most controversial dinosaur ever.

[@marinadelgais4083]

To date, one of my favourite videos of yours. We have so much in common in the way we see dinosaurs, and what they represent for us. Thank you for making me tear up thinking about how inspiring paleoart is.

[@antigrav6004]

I really want to know how to draw in the style of the rear example in your thumbnail. I love that more stylized look.

[@jakipop3397]

I love new Subjectively experiments! I know it might not be sustainable, but I'd love to see more longshots.

[@xemiii]

I like how the realistic rex has similar patterns to the Walking with Dinosaurs design, as it had nice colors (despite looking kinda bad) edit: People really do need to stop applying heavy science and realism to every dinosaur design they see. Don't get me wrong, realistic paleoart is probably my favorite way to interpret dinosaurs, but I really just want more high quality dinosaur designs in media. Just do more than copying a Jurassic Park design and I'll probably like it at the very least.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

The reason people copy the jurassic park designs is becauae of that mindset that scientific realism doesn’t matter.

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

I mean, if the design's sole purpose was to present a strictly realistic style of paleoart, and there are some inaccuracies some scholars would find severe, then yes - applying heavy science is precisely what should be done.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

This is very conformist

[@Stranger11105]

This video is informative, creative, and gives a nice broad perspective. The music picks really help add to it. It makes me feel inspired and sparkly. Thank you.

[@jennak.5530]

i love this take!!! also shrink wrapping is wrong because it makes my dinosaurs look sick and sad please take him to the doctor /j

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

What Kind Of Dinosaur Was Sick.

[@paleona5820]

I finally sat down and watched this one- great video! As a lifelong artist and paleontology fan, this was a treat. When I draw dinosaurs (which is frequently), I usually try and blend all three “genres” you touched on here, actually. Also, I loved your closing statement of how the process of making art is equally as (or more) important as the end product- something I’ve been thinking about a lot recently. Would love to see more videos like this 🌻

[@tumultuousTuna]

Armored women, sea monsters, and dinosaurs. Truly, a man after my own heart.

[@kovi-kovi-viko]

now that is where the good stuff's at!

[@KaiFoster-yh7qj]

What Do U Mean Armoured Woman, Sea Monsters And Stuff

[@pencilassassin572]

This was a great video! I loved the breakdown and analysis of the different genres of dinosaur drawing. Also the art was very fun to look at. Please do more like these

[@bnwstudios9040]

ITS DINOSAURIN TIME BROS

[@WeepingWillowva]

As someone who plays path of titans almost religiously I loved hearing that yall tried the game and that I can get a good feeling for what Dinosaur you played with from the ones you drew

[@fumomofumosarum5893]

I mean a T Rex could also have been yellow with tiger stripes. Tigers are predetors that live in lush jungles ^^ Imagine how cool a brightly striped T rex would look like..

[@Barakon]

23:32 Yes, cuz then it would be a deinonychus or a utahraptor, one with blood soaked feathers.

[@ZaDussault]

Danielle Dufault is also presenting youtube videos at animalogic! You can see her drawing of the animal she talks about in the videos

[@Dragoneisha777]

this video makes me so happy. im literally so happy watching this. im smiling nonstop

[@TerraVulture]

10:51 Avian dinosaurs are actually birds, while extinct dinosaurs are non-avian.

[@user-H_m]

Not all extinct dinosaurs, but the ones that went extinct before or during the end of cretaceous extinction about 66 million years ago. basically all dinosaurs that went extinct after that or are alive today are avians.

[@itsguppy7283]

WONDERFUL video!! Both you and Claire (sorry if misspelled) have wonderful voices to listen to, and the passion you both have for what you're talking about is contagious and inspire new curiosities and motivates me and others to pick up the pencil (or other craft of choice). This would make a fun class for many ages, honestly. Subjectively homework is honestly a fun thing ❤ lengthy comment but I just love this channel for what it is, was, and the new directions it's going. Keep it up!!

[@DreamDthecurseking]

OMG yess this really help me on my paleo art

[@theroaringrex7131]

This reminds me of all the spec projects I've seen that show just how much this animals have impacted us! I just got started with mine this year and men its been fun!

[@TinyLadyKris]

"Most people even slightly educated in paleontology would be offended if I called it a 'dinosaur' however those critics have no power over me here. My Seafaring Warrior Woman stands beside her Monstrous Mount; Some Hybrid of a sauropod, a plesiosaur, and a prehistoric crocodile. Anatomy, behaviors, colors, laws of physics, these petty restraints shatter and fall to my feet, and I am free." - Subjectively, 2024

[@spinosaurusstriker]

I mean yeah he can do that, doesn't erase the fact that his t rex is severely innacurate and factually a badly drawing of s t rex giving how it was suppsoed to be accurate.

[@TinyLadyKris]

@@spinosaurusstriker that's the point.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@TinyLadyKris its dumb

[@turkeygod6665]

@@spinosaurusstriker its his art and his work, it can be whatever he wants it to be. if I draw a stylized wolf thats 5ft tall and has sharp quill-like hair, I am still perfectly able to call it a wolf in my right, cause I created it. is it a realistic wolf, no, but it is A wolf.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@turkeygod6665 You example fails the moment you said stylistic wolf , you already limited what is supposed to be, so what if you put quills on it? Many mammals have it, a wolf with quills can be identified as a wolf but with quills. Now call it a wolf while not having any resemblence of a wolf, you can do it of course, but reality will always be on top saying it isn't. His example of stylistic dinosaur fails because it doesn’t resemble a dinosaur, its more like a lizard, snake thing. He can call it a dino, but it will be full fantasy than paleoart at that point,just like a classic dragon.

[@Tacobellcramps]

16:54 I love the idea of a trex with a tiger pattern. A tigers prey cannot see orange like we can, so it just blends in as more green because of they’re eyesight. Great for ambush hunting!