That's not what a dream job is though (

This is my response to a recent video by Katherine from Katherout (link: • I no longer aspire to ... ).
Tl;dw: her perspective is limited to corporate jobs, and much of what she says is rather obvious to anyone working a low-paying job that is also not fulfilling.

[@danielledupreez]

To summarize my primary issue with the video: In making her point, Katherine seems to ignore an entire sector of jobs (service careers) where people knowingly make financial and emotional sacrifices to do work that better aligns with their life goals. The perspective is informed and possibly biased by my experience choosing teaching over software engineering, but I believe every single person who is a teacher, doctor, nurse, public defender, social worker, etc knows that there is something else that they could be doing to make more money or endure less emotional demand. These careers are not chosen by accident, and many people in these careers are left still unfulfilled, but this is largely because the way capitalism affects the public sector is different from the way it affects the private sector. Since public sector jobs are in large part not profit generating, they are perpetually operating at the minimum number of workers and highest degree of demand on workers that can possibly sustain the system. All of these careers have employee shortages. That is because they are underfunded, and, the second part of my point: many people are not able to choose these careers even if they want to because they lack generational wealth or access to education, and they must choose a career in which they are able to earn money either in a quantity significant enough to build generational wealth, or they must take whatever job they can because money is urgently required for survival. I am privileged to have gotten to the position that I am in to make the choice that I did to accept a lower salary to do work that is important to me, however I worry about the long term financial sustainability of my job and my ability to support my parents in the future. Not working is not even something I dream of because I both find my work important and I understand the financial pressures I'm facing. The people who already have generational wealth are in the best position to choose public sector jobs where they can serve an essential role. By choosing a high-paying corporate career, they are cementing their privilege by benefiting off the exploitative capitalist system. In my opinion, this is where Katherine and some of the other influencers who have discussed the topic tend to fall. This is where I think the video can be criticized as coming from a limited and privileged perspective. Also, I didn't mention this in the video but I will also add that I feel that a fixation on classism has historically been used to distract from the larger drivers of inequality in the US, which are systemic racism and ableism. I believe that a significant degree of damage inflicted by capitalism in the US stems from the fact that it is projected onto a society that is not so much greedy as it is desperate for autonomy and power, and that has come with a willingness to exploit that has perpetuated systemic inequity for generations. In order for us to combat this, we must not only expose these inequities where they occur, but also work to eliminate the source of competition for power and understand that our goal is universal welfare. Pure capitalism is inherently incompatible with universal welfare because it rewards value and not every person can produce value to a capitalism system. But we already know that, which is why we already have a mixed economy with some successful efforts toward universal welfare, however there is a lot of work left to do. All this to say, I think a demonization of corporations will not get us far. I think it is more effective and more important for us to be anti-racist, anti-ableist, and work towards equity with our choices as consumers, our choice of career, our social power, and our political power.

[@jaky411]

I also think the saying of some people live to work can also be the idea of some people not feeling personally fulfilled or feel they are productive with themselves unless stepping themselves into the outside world and doing jobs that are considered traditions jobs and that being labor. There are also individuals that were obligated to work or not privileged with generational wealth and still choose to wanting to live their own life/career choices that may not align with wanting to help their own families.

[@lex6819]

I disagree. I believe the elites use identity politics to divide the working classes and make them vote against their own interests. There's no way the social problems in the US aren't primarily driven by classism. A society that values people over profits wouldn't produce racism and ableism. Those are products of a capitalist society that values people as chattel. Racism benefits capitalism, as does sexism and ableism.

[@rinzler9171]

My perspective as a retired military man: People bitch even when things are good.

[@danielledupreez]

Classism is bigger than capitalism. It exists in other economic systems as well. I think classism is another form of the bigger issue of our ethical system being willing to exploit others for personal gain in excess of need. I don’t think that’s motivated by greed, but rather by fear of not surviving. Regardless, most societies today have ethical systems that condone the marginalization of certain individuals based on their lack of value to others’ goal. But value should not be the basis of moral consideration. Need is the basis of moral consideration. Ability is the basis of moral obligation. Yes, that sounds very Marxist of me. I think this gets into the weeds a bit, but basically I don’t think criticism of an economic system quite gets at the origins of inequity in society. Rather, inequity is a result of a fundamental issue in mainstream ethics. Criticizing capitalism is inadequate.

[@WhenItsHalfPastFive]

I grew up pretty broke, and I still agreed with katherout's video. Just because she's privileged doesn't mean her critiques of capitalism are irrelevant.

[@danielledupreez]

I didn’t say that privilege makes her perspective irrelevant, nor am I even saying her perspective is irrelevant. Just that in this case her perspective was limited in a way that reflected privilege.

[@WhenItsHalfPastFive]

@@danielledupreez she acknowledges she's privileged in almost all her videos though, i don't understand why you even made this video.

[@gabriellarose6740]

I take your stance on this matter. However, I think that Katherine understands that people have to work, she just wishes that it weren’t the case. I agree with your definition of dream job and also thought most people saw it that way. Katherine came off a bit naive, unrealistic, and privileged, but overall I think she just wishes no one had to be in a situation where they HAD to build generational wealth in the first place..that people didn’t have to face those responsibilities and/or hardships in the first place. This also depends on how you view “work” of course. I think she may agree with a lot of your points , the difference is that you understand what “work” really means for average Americans, understand reality, and the fact that it’s not probable for your average American and she emphasizes that she wishes it was.

[@josefadavila2956]

YES EXACTLY THIS. i was thinking just what you said as i watched this video, wondering how different life experiences could change the perspective in which Katherine's video is viewed, because to me it did seem like this creator was missing the point of kath's video at times, of course i value the variety of perspectives but i just didn't feel like things were reaching a common ground here

[@fashattude]

I think you’re confusing the reality of America and American culture. Culturally, America is live to work and and promotes dream jobs and hustle culture. The reality is that most people work as a means of survival. Also feels like your using your lived experience and trying to extrapolate that to the larger culture. Dream job is an accepted concept regardless of how you personally feel about the term. Katherine is definitely privileged but I as a Black, first gen, women from a working class background, completely related to her video. I’m anti-capitalist though. I think if you don’t identify similarly and believe in the importance of divesting from rhetoric that glamorizes our exploitation, (I fundamentally believe the relationship between workers and orgs/companies is exploitative even when that work is fulfilling.) you’ll not truly get where she’s coming from.

[@TheFxEditor]

I wish that work wasn't linked to our survival. Also the American Dream can be related to the Dream Job. People need to stop sleeping and start waking up to the problems and fixing those problems of capitalist exploitation. Greetings from a fellow anti-capitalist.

[@annieothername]

Couldn’t agree more!

[@TheLeah2344]

I am a small business owner and I started my business a year ago so I’m not to the point where I can replace my job with my business. I do not like getting up for my 9 to 5 job. The only thing I look forward to is working on my jewelry. I don’t even mind dealing with customer service for my business and USPS delivery issues yet I hate dealing with customer service for my job. I can understand why many people don’t want to work. I can tell you from experience that hustle culture is TOXIC and will leave you BURNT OUT. If I could be relaxing on an island somewhere I would. I love making jewelry but I really want to make money so I have the option to travel and RELAX.

[@oreoroc]

I appreciate your take on Katherout's video. Multiple perspectives are essential to having a well rounded conversation. I agree that people having the ability to search or have their dream job is a bit laid in privilege as you said. Not all people can benefit off of finding a career that not only is fulfilling but also can support them. Many people are just trying to make enough money to live. I just wanted to add something coming from someone who is a child of hispanic immigrants. I believe hustle culture can become dangerous when the reality in America is that increasing your social class "ranking" is relatively uncommon for many in poverty. Those already born into low income families or even as a minority for that matter have been shown to be incredibly less likely to climb their social class, even generationally. There are many factors involved in this, including race and discrimination of course, education, family dynamics, etc. But I suppose what I'm getting at is that many minorities are in situations where they are barely able to survive off of their income. That's not even including the harsh realities we are facing right now in terms of huge socioeconomic gaps between the richest people in our country and the typical American. There are plenty of scenarios that can happen here so I would just like to mention one example of many. Say a child of an immigrant goes to college and manages to finish their degree. Many times, immigrant parents can't pay tuition, leading to the inevitable accumulation of student debt and well regardless if they find a job in their field or not, they will likely not pay that debt anytime soon. Most young people, as I'm sure you've heard, are still living with their parents because of high rent costs and just insane housing prices (I live in Los Angeles so you can imagine the insane housing costs here). So these graduates are very much in a stand still as they are not building their wealth, but rather using their (obviously can vary) first-three decades of their career trying to make payments to their student debt. We also have to consider paying interest, so more money being poured into debt, instead of say, saving for a house. Pushing this culture that there is a way out when statistically speaking (and yes I have read a few research papers on this, specifically for minorities and the data is out there so please, I recommend searching for yourself) the reality is that our system places a certain demographic of people (usually minorities) so far behind the starting line that we would need multiple generations to catch up to what those with privilege could do in one generation. I've seen so many people my age and my ethnicity feeling hopeless and destroyed by their reality. They were told to live the American Dream. Chase that degree, find a long lasting career, but we often don't get to enjoy the fruits of our labor as there are so many hoops to jump just to be recognized. I haven't even mentioned the fact that a majority of people my age aren't even having kids because they can't afford to. So whatever money accumulated during their lifetime won't be passed down. Anyways, like I said before, I appreciate points that both you and Katherout made. I believe it's important to have discussions like this as it helps all of us understand each other and our society just a bit more. Just how your video allowed me to view your perspective of being a teacher and giving so much of your own time to the kids you work with. I have nothing but respect for our educators. Anyways, I'd love to hear your feedback! :)

[@danielledupreez]

I completely agree with what you're saying and I did not mean to imply that hustle culture is a good thing or a reliable way to guarantee equity in society in the long term. Far from it. My intention was more to assure people who employ this mentality that it is not arbitrary and valuing hard work to motivate aspiration is valid. Mostly because, on an individual level, I'm not sure what other path there is to financial stability. Her video was mostly a commentary on individual mindset in relation to the societal state of affairs and so my response was as well. From a more systemic view, I feel the solution is for us to ingrain in society the idea that universal welfare is a right to be guaranteed by whatever forces are in power, and for us to use what power we have to actualize this belief. For the people who are just working to gain any sort of power, it's not their responsibility to make that happen, imo. But for those who do have power, possibly via financial security or generational wealth, have a responsibility to work towards greater societal equity.

[@PressCtrlG]

I watched Katherout's video and I tried to think of the positive aspects of it. But deep down it didn't sit right with me how she was talking about the ideas of a "career" and "dream job" from a fairly narrow perspective. I don't know her on youtube so I'm not sure of her situation, but her video also made it sound like anyone with a job they genuinely enjoy must be "stuck in the system" and "deeply unhappy." I enjoy your take on her video and I'm glad you were able to analyze what she mentioned. I'm an actor so I must admit it was a little difficult to fully understand her side of things, but ultimately I think if someone enjoys their job, and it is aligning with their own goals, then I won't convince them that they are in the wrong for doing so.

[@vanessaajohn]

I started watching more of Katherine’s videos and she was somebody who used to be uber capitalist uber hustle culture and at this point in her life is recovering from that. In a way and I feel like knowing that helped me understand her position more.

[@PressCtrlG]

@@vanessaajohn ah, I see what you mean!

[@michaelstarnes2297]

I know she checked her priviledge or whatever but she is still super priviledged for not realizing how USC put her on an instant track to a ultra-high socioeconomic class job. I really find it kind of aloof that her career video didn't acknowledge her class position more.

[@phosphorus4]

The phrase "dream job" starts appearing in Google books in the early 20th century. Then it rises a bit around WWII, and starts picking up right before 1980 and WOAH it's been skyrocketing ever since the '90s……

[@musiclistener28]

You make a lot of great points. However I think it’s also important to talk about hustle culture in terms of the American myth that “pulling yourself up by your bootstraps” will get you far. There are people hustling every day, working multiple jobs and going to school and they still can’t get ahead. America is deemed as this land of opportunity yeah, but overall it only provides opportunities to a select group of people. Also in her video she points out that some people do genuinely love their jobs and the work they do and find purpose from it, but that’s fine. She personally just doesn’t have a dream job. I feel like you’re taking it very literally. She mentions that our culture is very centered around our work and our careers and other countries don’t value work the same as Americans do and that’s because our culture and our society is so centered around capitalism. Even our healthcare is centered around making money because of insurance. In general I think she was speaking largely for herself and that our society has a skewed view of importance. Yes a lot of people know that work is only for money, and yes there are some people who derive pleasure or find purpose in their work…. But even people who know that work is only for money can be upset with the way our society is structured. Personally I’d rather live in a country that values the wellbeing of individuals vs making a quick buck. Many other countries offer lots of paid time off and paid maternity and paternity leave for example. Those things are good for people. Many people who work in the US never take time off because they feel like they can’t and if they do they feel guilty because of the culture being so centered around work. The first full time job I had people ALWAYS stayed past 5pm and I felt pressured to do so. It’s not healthy in my opinion. Just some thoughts. Thanks for the video and providing alternate viewpointsz

[@danielledupreez]

Thank you for your thoughtful response. My goal in responding to her video is not to validate hustle culture or defend capitalism, but rather to acknowledge that the perspective that it's possible to be free from capitalism is relatively inaccessible. I am also not opposing anti-capitalism, more than I am pushing back against making anti-cap an existential mindset. I believe that many young people especially are growing increasingly skeptical and understanding the need for a more mixed economy and a much higher degree of government intervention in redistribution of wealth, because we are understanding more and more that it is important for our society to view welfare as a right. There will be many people watching hers and other videos with a similar thesis who are feeling conflicted as they enter the workforce or pursue careers, because they are forced to participate in the capitalist system to survive. They can participate less, perhaps, by working in a lower-paying service-oriented job, at the sacrifice of gaining the type of personal profit that would enable them to build generational wealth. I mainly brought up her commentary on the pressures of hustle culture to emphasize that origins of such pressure probably do not apply to her in her own situation, which is why she can validly aspire to escape them, and cannot give a complete perspective on those pressures, because, for most Americans, they are not escapable. I don't think personal revolution is the answer to the systemic issues facing the US, and in the case of capitalism it may be more distressing than illuminating. Virtually any person that works a job participates in and therefore perpetuates capitalism, including its negative effects. If someone is motivated to contribute positively to society, eliminating their participation in capitalism is virtually impossible and very likely not an effective way to generate social change. And if someone can liberate themselves from the pressures of a capitalist society, good for them but that's a lowkey flex. I know some people will see this and think those were Katherine's personal reflections so why does it matter. But, I believe she was expressing some rather deep thoughts about society and her relationship with it, that will definitely make people think about their own lives. And I am saying, in doing so, they should realize that it may not make sense to apply her thinking to themselves. Finally, and this is where I acknowledge it's quite personal for me, I actually think that working in more service-oriented jobs can be one of the best ways for someone to work against the negative effects of capitalism. She does not even mention service jobs in her video, which function in a much less capitalist way. The way she represented it was like every job is corporate. She did say that some people are satisfied in their jobs (generally) and good for them, but she didn't make an association between the type of job and the level of satisfaction. This is ignoring the fact that many people consciously have made the decision to make significantly less money to work a job that is personally fulfilling or benefits other people. I don't think any person who works for a non-profit, or in public defense, or even as a computer science professor is blind to the financial sacrifice they are making to do that job. Virtually everyone in those careers is qualified to do something that makes more money, but they choose not to. I would never fault anyone to choose money over service because I understand the more capitalist path plays a critical role in building generational wealth, which is why I brought up the purpose of the hustle culture mentality. But I did find it odd that she completely omitted these careers as options when she was reflecting on the topic.

[@dr.shapirom.d.7365]

Hustle culture exists because there are individuals within the larger-American society whom thoroughly find satisfaction, joy, and fulfillment from work. It is not for everyone, nevertheless, it is for enough for it to be a prevalent construct within corporate and other career sectors. If hustle culture is not for you, then accept that as so. To demonize the culture as "bad" and "toxic" because it is not what YOU personally identify as a modality to self-fulfillment, is "bad" and "toxic" in itself. Do what makes you happy and respect what makes other people happy.

[@squarepeg418]

@@danielledupreez I’ve worked in non profit healthcare. The presidents and other executives of non profit healthcare corporations make as much money as their for profit counterparts (all employees do, really). Don’t fool yourself that all people in the non profit service industry sacrificed their earning potential to serve. Some choose it because of how much they can earn.

[@limo5724]

So glad someone addressed these 2 specific problems with the "I don't dream of labor" trend. I'm an immigrant who worked soul crushing jobs through college and couldn't imagine an expectation to even like those jobs, let alone find them fulfilling. The second point, that actually, there are many very fulfilling careers (i.e., science, medicine, art, etc.) which most people would choose over not working at all, is an important one. I'm a scientist and was working a corporate job that I hated. Each day was torture. So I switched back to medical research in nonprofit, and I have my soul back. Generally, being a cog in a corporation is probably what this trend is against.

[@crow4834]

The trend (I don’t really think it is a trend but rather a discussion) isn’t that they don’t or wont work. It’s criticizing how we must work 40+ hours a week for our own survival and how they wish it wasn’t that way. And how some of us don’t have dream jobs or a passion for anything yet we can get a job that we don’t hate and fulfill our passions outside of work. From our early years we are pressured into having our lives figured out and some of us never know what we want to do but that doesn’t mean we aren’t doing anything.

[@limo5724]

@@crow4834 While the sentiment of not wanting to work has been around always, there certainly is a trend now of talking about it and following through with quitting. As for your second point, there is absolutely an anti work quality in the movement, not just an anti 40 hr sentiment. And for good reason. There is anger at discovering we've been lied to about careers, there is burnout, there is also anger about working 40 hrs and affording less and less. There is an anti work sentiment and I find it entirely justified in the short term.

[@Squiderrant]

So glad you are doing something you are passionate about. Dedicated teachers are angels.

[@acilegna94]

Thank you for starting this conversation! And thank you for sharing you perspective as a teacher from a migrant family. I am not in the corporate world either, and it is valuable to hear different perspectives :) Here are some things I respectfully disagree with: 1. Katherout may not have a fiscal need to participate in hustle culture, but she has a social/moral need. They are different, yes. But both are strong motivators, that cannot be simply turned off. 2. Hustle culture is not just the desire to do your job well and excel. It is this goal at the expense of everything else (physical, mental, spiritual health, etc.) Hustling is fine; Healthy in moderation. The obsessive, unbalanced culture that surrounds it is undeniably unhealthy, contributing to out epidemic of stress, burnout, premature aging...Maybe hustle culture just refers to exploitation? Which exists in every sector in every job from Starbucks to Google-due to unreasonable expectations (from self, management, family), understaffing, low pay. The problem is it's so normalized. 3. You said that corporate employers have more social influence. I think you actually refer to economic influence. We know from the past year, that teachers are some of the MOST important people in the world, with far-reaching social influence. I hope you know how important you are to our society :) 4. I don't think it's an either/or relationship with capitalism and classicism and racism and ableism. They feed off each other. Being anti-capitalist is being anti-racist is being anti-capitalist. Each issue is as important as the other. Neither is the root cause...Like if racism disappeared, there would still be classicism and worker exploitation. Capitalism demands a lower class. 5. I think it is hard for anyone in any sector to imagine a world outside of capitalism (we have been abused by this system for generations!), but I think it is important for EVERYONE to hold our system accountable for the harm it causes us. To demand what we deserve. No one deserves to work themselves to death (not stock brokers, not teachers, not dancers), but we live in a system that demands MOREMOREMORE and gives us nothing in response. Setting boundaries is often frowned upon or punished. Working class people have the most to benefit by criticizing this system-I mean this is why unions exist-to protect people from the greed of capitalism. So if peeling back the layers of capitalism and hustle culture is the first step to fair wages for teachers and paid leave for parents, then let's start somewhere ? P.S. I'm no economist, I just have thoughts and feelings lol

[@theplantainchiplover]

You made so many great points in this video! I've been feeling so conflicted with the rise of "i don't dream of labor" trend. It's easy to not dream of labor when it's not required of you. It's also not reasonable to ask what one would do if all their needs were met... most people don't have time to fantasize about that! And quite frankly, it's insulting.

[@gwendelyne]

I'm happy to see this because when I was coming across all these "I don't dream of labor videos", it gave me very icky feelings and I thought that I was going crazy. Although there is so much validity to what these people are saying I also think they're missing a HUGE piece of reality which is that the majority of the world does not and cannot function on the idealisms and romanticisms of privileged people living in the first world...

[@evelynbarry5046]

Yes, this is exactly it.

[@chickenjuicesizzz2258]

I think that your criticisms are valid, but I also think that you sort of missed the point of the video. You have to experience for yourself the state of corporate america today, to truly understand how bad and terminal it is. Glimpses of it make it to the news, for example that scandal involving McKinsey abetting Purdue Pharma to orchestrate the opioid epidemic. Capitalism is slowly turning all of us (the corporate professional class) into overseers at concentration camps. The whole culture needs to be dismantled. I've worked at a management consulting firm for a while and I can tell you that as an engineer holding an advanced degree, nobody cares about actually solving problems or producing work that has real value. The path upward in corporate america is all about playing the power game of making your bosses look good, and forming alliances with the right political allies. We are all just pawns in a game where the rich people try to get even richer, and our 'real job' is to deliver that ego boost they get from outcompeting their friends. I recommend reading Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber.

[@so53190]

THIS THIS THIS. I think it all comes down to our experiences but as someone who works a corporate job, I’m with you. Your point about the path upward and peoples intentions (being that the goal is not to solve a problem, but to move up) are SO on point with my experience. The part of this video that made me not relate to it was where she said she’s never experienced or seen anyone “live to work” where as in my job, I feel like that is what I’m SURROUNDED by. I feel like her perspective is very limited on this side of things. My bosses constantly try to cross boundaries under the guise of our work “being a family” and we are not. I feel like the ‘we are family’ narrative could be the slogan for the “live to work” mentality. They brag about not taking lunch breaks, coming to work sick and staying late every day. It’s worn as a badge of honor and you’re looked down on for not doing the same. One manager actually takes pride in telling us on more than one occasion that she was basically never there for her kids growing up because she was so committed to this job. And she uses that as an argument against us when we ask to be paid overtime for…working overtime. She did that for FREE and she tells us we should expect to do the same if we are actually committed. That is bizarre to me. I get that not all jobs may be like this. But from my experience, that’s all I know. I would love to never work in corporate America again, but unfortunately finding a job that pays as well is very hard and I can’t afford to make much less than I already do and that’s another issue. Also, I appreciate that jobs like teaching can be very fulfilling. The problem is that those jobs are notorious for being painfully underpaid and many people don’t have to option to pursue a job like teaching that WOULD be fulfilling but especially for a single income household, it’s likely you could struggle for the rest of your life if that’s your only income.

[@chickenjuicesizzz2258]

@@so53190 Ugh lol. The "one big family" kool-aid was a thing at the company I worked for too. What are the chances that we were at the same company, or is this yet more evidence of how entrenched this culture is across America? Also, I see a lot of people who are clearly lacking the required talent or skills to perform their job, trying to brute force their way through by working longer hours and appealing to their bosses' sympathies with a "look at how hard I am working!" appeal. Even more bizarre is the fact that usually the work which gets produced in this way is worthless, and everyone knows it, but we all choose to respect it because we have already accepted that this is what our culture is.

[@kaielyse9313]

@@chickenjuicesizzz2258 For Harriet just made a video on this topic. I believe she also referenced David Graeber. You might find her video interesting as well.

[@FANTASYworldwide93]

I came across this randomly after seeing Katherout's video. Great job explaining yourself and US culture, it gave me a lot of insight and food for thought about my job, career and so on. And you teach too! I'm actually leaving teaching because it's underpaid in the country I live in, and I can't afford anything but basics. I'm switching to programming, so I'm kind of sacrificing something personally fulfilling... but I hope programming is enjoyable and fulfilling too, even without seeing that lighbulb moment in kids and being happy due to their good results.

[@destinyzroom]

I loved the point you made about working for someone else in your life. I felt that so much. I spoke with a friend from India who’s about to study abroad and I wondered what would happen to his family since he helps them you know. He’s going away for many years. But he told me “oh my family is good. They can definitely take care of themselves!” And I felt so happy and relaxed for him. And I wished that one day I could just go off and learn what I want or work where I want because my family was set. But that’s not the case for me. My family is okay but they work themselves to death literally because of that same reason of trying to sustain a generation. But that’s hard when SO much changes here in America at break neck speeds. One second a family may benefit but another, the changes could be to their detriment. It’s sort of a sad game. But I’m happy to even face challenge of building wealth for my family. I’ll die trying because some never even get that opportunity to sit at the table where the game of life is played.

[@rafg.1493]

Yes! You're back! Always have some insightful things to say

[@reynastargaze7750]

Love your perspective. The original video by Lynette Adkins has been redone by others so they can tell their own experiences with America's labor culture. But I think we're starting to see that privilege, generational wealth and connections can create a divide in how some americans perceive terms like "work" or "labor". Great video!

[@elizabethl2691]

From hearing the points you make, it seems like you truly understand class structure, work culture, and capitalism in general. Especially what you said about how disregarding hustle culture has very different implications for people of different social classes and the demographics of service workers... wow that was really eye-opening. You make so many interesting points about class structure and service work, but I don't think this "I don't dream of labor" trend is directly relevant to what you're saying. The trend is not telling people to quit their jobs. It's encouraging people of all social classes to do what makes them happy. In my opinion, the service workers you mention that ditch higher-paying jobs are the people that would rather do the service work because it makes them happier in the long run. If being a software engineer makes you feel content, then you should do it. Sometimes even if the actual job is making you unhappy, the money that you earn from it or the support that you can give your family with it might be the source of your happiness (and this applies to all social classes). But whether you're a teacher or software engineer, if having a job is limiting them from doing something that makes them happy, society shouldn't put this pressure on them to still contribute. And contrary to what you believe, I think that this trend would encourage more people to work in the service industry because corporate workers are often depressed due to their lack of public service. Michelle Obama, in fact, touches upon this in her podcast. She said that she left her job as a corporate lawyer to devote a life to public service because it made her happier and less lonely; It wasn't necessarily a "giving" reason. It was because she felt happier devoting a life to public service than earning more money in a corporate office. The same goes for other kinds of people as well. If you're a nurse and would rather be traveling the world bc that is the source of your happiness, perhaps they shouldn't feel so restricted from doing what makes them happy.

[@vanessaajohn]

Honestly I enjoyed Katherine’s video and I also really enjoyed yours! I feel like My mindset is right in the middle of both of you. You both brought up the positive and negative side to both of your arguments very well.

[@Askalott]

I totally agree with you. I think Katherout is going in the right direction perspective-wise and I commend her for that, but the way she phrases certain things implies that the perspective is still limited in some ways. I came from a wealthy family so I understand how difficult it is to fully grasp these concepts. I was able to gain a thorough understanding after I became homeless, but most people who come from wealth don't have that experience. The main issue is when she states you can't have a career without serving capitalism. You can absolutely have a career to promote equality, socially and economically, and the teacher example conveys that well. Public education is based on a socialist policy so becoming a public school teacher helps reinforce a more equal and fair system for all.

[@jhonadavid]

Very well spoken and some interesting points made! I love this discussion because there are so many underlying factors which can provide the frame work for someone's argument (or opinion).

[@ianbowden2524]

Glad it wasn't just me who watched that video going *confused poor people noises*

[@Adrianaxo.]

YES!!!!

[@arinaira1417]

Yess!!! 💙

[@awoken3220]

Fr

[@dwightk.schrute7495]

im so glad you made this video this is exactly what i was thinking as i watched her video but i couldn't pin point it exactly. her video came across as a bit privileged and tone deaf to me

[@letsjazzitup]

My dream job is to be a mentor to other ppl (kids, teens,adults)who want to create a company or don't know where they wanna go in life. I would do it for free and I do. But I wanna get paid to do it as well to support myself. Adds value to my life and to others. That's a DREAM JOB.all humans should want to add value to the world and that comes from working at something. This is why retired ppl die sooner than they should after stopping all work because they feel no value in life anymore

[@crow4834]

I personally relate to those videos. I myself am 21, disabled, gay, and trans. I have no idea what I want to do and the work force is against me to begin with. I’ve never had a passion for anything- I don’t enjoy or find happiness in much of anything. But that doesn’t mean I won’t work it just means I’ll get a job that will most likely kill me and find that passion somewhere else. The pressure to have your entire life figured out is a huge burden to have as a child.

[@mochimelon6999]

Would definitely agree with you here Glad to see you post again haha

[@nerdycreole4518]

Thank you for this. I’m working my BUTT off to gain the career I want so that I can provide for my future family and myself so I can enjoy my freedom ❤️ I think sometimes people think a career has to be forever and it doesn’t. Gain the skills and then do your own thing!

[@hkdamin794]

thank you for this!

[@squarepeg418]

Nursing is a corporate job. It’s an odd thing to consider since it’s a service job, but it’s also 100% corporate too.

[@danielledupreez]

Yeah, since making this video I’ve though about that too. Like lawyers can be public defenders and teachers can work for public schools, but right now nurses, doctors, and other health professionals have very limited options for work in the public sector. The US’s lack of socialized medicine frustrates me so much, especially because I don’t really know what I can do about it other than vote.

[@squarepeg418]

@@danielledupreez well, politicians are controlled by their corporate masters who contribute to their campaigns, PACs and Super PACs. Politicians are literally corporate puppets. I edit to add: they may as well wear uniforms with logos of their corporate sponsors. Voting isn’t the answer.

[@AnIdeaIsLikeAVirus]

What about people who are in a position of having to take a job that is not only not exactly aligned with your life purpose or what you want to do, but is actively detrimental to your goals and mental health? Manufacturing, warehousing, retail and service, sanitation type jobs (oh and the entire gig economy) are all solid examples of things people might be forced into accepting "temporarily" just to make ends meet but then end up perpetually stuck in that sort of position because the job (or equivalent alternatives) is SO physically and/or emotionally exhausting and pays so poorly that the time, money and energy it takes to bootstrap out of that on your own is just not there.

[@amyxu3691]

exactly! i also felt her video was a little biased and privileged. not working hard isn’t really an option for many people.

[@Adrianaxo.]

Exactly, some people don’t have a choice, some people have to pay bills, put food on the table etc, without backup security, and it really isn’t a option for many!

[@rocknation7065]

Oh hello again ! Yes, I agree that pay does matter but you also have to love the job. Very interesting points you touch on there, spicy too.

[@deepitpatil]

Nice to see you back!

[@chickenlittle6756]

I love to hear a logical analytical realist we are rare I totally get your thought process and going through multiple angles of everything and the flip side of everything God it's so refreshing to stumble across someone with the same obsessively analytical logical spider webbing mind that they have full organization over and understanding of but others often can't follow lol I totally get it I know you know exactly what I'm talking about but lord the world could seriously use a little more of that calculation in people right about now I thoroughly enjoyed this thank you

[@stephaniem895]

I think people need to prioritize learning and understanding how wealth is built. There are sacrifices people can make to their lifestyle, comfort and preferences to live below their means, pay off debt, stay out of debt, invest, etc without needing a high paying job. It’s not easy but it is doable.

[@PlanYourOneLife]

I concur

[@anaisanais8654]

Thank you! I couldn’t agree more!

[@Aman-jz6dq]

Intelligent thoughts. Excellent video. 👍

[@withyoctopus]

You didn't understand her video at all. You're just explaining the current system to her. She knows the current system. We all do. She was talking about the downsides of the current system in terms of human cost.

[@ricseeds4835]

Audio is pretty bad even after cranking up the volume all the way high

[@ceedkay]

You might want to check the volume of this video. it's way lower than any other channel that's out there.

[@thrillseeker5825]

I partially agree with that people get jobs just for the money but if you get your dream job or a job your passionate about it will help you in the long run because you won’t be getting up early annoyed to go to work instead you will be happy what the next day bring and you will give a project or what every your doing at your work your all - I read this quote that said life without ambition is like going on a boat without the paddles

[@dr.shapirom.d.7365]

Danielle, I agree with you. You offer a realistic angle to the conversation, the issue however, is that many people within larger American society are cognitively challenged to understand the complexity of this conversation. For some people, their work is their source of fulfillment and thus, they work hard and thus, they hustle and there, the "hustle culture" is birthed. However, to such individuals, they do not perceive their commitment to their work as a toxic or bad thing, rather it is their source of joy. I am a Doctor and I work hard and I work a lot, but this is my life's work. This is what I was made to do and every minute I am working, I am happy. From the outside looking in it may appear that I am engaging in this toxic "hustle culture", but I am not, I am engaging in the work that puts a smile on my face and the work that I do not mind dedicating hours upon hours of my life to. Some people do not like to work, that is fine, we (those who love to work) simply ask that you stop judging us as cogs in a "toxic" machine. Some of my friends work like I do and that is awesome. I respect that and them. Likewise, some of my friends do not like to work or enjoy their career and for them, early retirement is the ultimate goal and that is awesome. I respect that and them. Do what makes you happy, I think, and do not judge someone else for what makes them happy.

[@CriticalHealingMoment]

I think you made some good points about how the creator you are directly referencing and others fail to capture the nuance of this “dream job” conversation for people of less privilege and status. However, where I felt like you made a jump to conclusions in believing that some of these ideas or cultural beliefs is not rooted in capitalism. “Hustle culture” in the US is very much based on both the capitalist and Christian/religious idea that working is moral and not working is immoral. These are based on the culture of 1600s England. (I studied this in school and made a video on this as well). Dreaming of a world after capitalism is a form of optimism that I ascribe to, and the difference between that being a fantasy and it being a possibility is taking actions towards it.

[@danielledupreez]

I don’t deny that the origin of hustle culture is capitalism. Actually, the last part of what you said hits on the point of my video. I also believe it’s important for us to take action. Watching Katherine’s video, the only call to action I found was that we should reject tying our self worth to our career. My point was that not only is this an unreasonable expectation for those who are not in a position of privilege and who must work, but it is also skewed by Katherine’s working experience coming from a corporate setting, when there is a whole sector of essential public service careers than can offer a moral alternative to corporate jobs for those concerned with the fact that their livelihood perpetuates a system they find oppressive (that is, for those of us who have the ability to choose one of these jobs as they are often lower-paying).

[@CriticalHealingMoment]

@@danielledupreez For sure! Sorry if I missed the point you were trying to make as I was writing my comment mid video. Something about this video trend is unsettling for me and woah I have thoughts on that "moral alternatives" thing. I am working on a video on this myself. I think youtube/social media can create a environment where we mistake someone sharing something about their personal journey to "creating a social movement" or whatever, or lead creators to believing that they must be the forefront of movements because they have a platform and following... which is not/should not be the case, imo.

[@danielledupreez]

I’m rereading some of these comments because I’ve thought about this topic a lot more since I made this video, and I just wanted to say I also appreciate that you pointed out the idea the not working has historically been regarded as immoral, lazy, etc. Labor has to exist but ethical division of labor yet another issue to think about. What I know for sure is that we can’t base people’s right to welfare off of their contribution to society. Some people will need more than they can give in return, but the whole benefit of having a society is that we can use our collective resources to support everyone.

[@iamsofia3782]

I think she's very priviliged, and it shows.

[@ayushisharma162]

I guess the very premise of aspiring to not have a career comes only if you can afford it. It's nice to listen to it and anyone will agree with her but not everyone can afford to live like that.

[@cryaboutit7499]

I’m fucking broke asf to where my school hands me money so I can buy the things I need. I still don’t dream of labour. I’ve always wanted to write my own book and pull a whole j.k Rowling

[@iamsofia3782]

@@cryaboutit7499 Oh you would not want to be J.K. Rowling right now😅

[@clockout]

But in reality , who is working at mcdonalds to build generational wealth? Has anybody ever built generational wealth from being someone elses slave ? I mean associate /employee? Generational wealth comes from entrepreneurship , not corporate america

[@clockout]

That was a silly example , but even microsoft, dell, google - people working at this high ranks still do not have generational wealth, but the CEO /CFO certainly do .

[@pandalauren5064]

On belahf of all fans we demand a video at least every 2 months instead of 3. You can do it! We believe in you. As for me, I miss the 30 minute talks with no script.

[@danielledupreez]

Thank you for the encouragement. This was originally a 30 mins no script one, but there was some repetition so I cut it 23. Next time I’ll aim higher

[@Ojuolape]

As a medical doctor, I thoroughly enjoyed your perspective. Thanks for sharing.

[@vanessaajohn]

Sidenote you are gorgeous 💙

[@awoken3220]

Are you Nigerian 😁

[@videostarsforever]

Can you make a video in your experience as a teacher? I am I tested but often hear bad things about it. I’m told that I am wasted potential for wanting to do such a job

[@danielledupreez]

I’m planning on it :)

[@brianh2804]

I'm not sure I share the same sentiment about service careers. I feel like plenty of people, including myself, chose those careers due to some combination of peer pressure, prospect of fulfillment, and just not really knowing all the ins and outs. Wanting to be a biologist, I hadn't considered the amount of unpaid work or just the whole rat race to impress higher ups until it was too late. Regardless, I'm surprised more eyebrows weren't raised about the responses to the "if all your basic needs were met"- hypothetical. It was just a very unrealistic, rosy solution to a bigger problem.

[@martinaperic4877]

It literally took this video for me to realize that Katherout and Danielle are different people. Problematic?

[@starylize]

i’m really looking forward to watching this video, but one suggestion i have is to speak into your mic more or get closer to it. the volume is super low, making the ads blaring when i adjust the volume.

[@danielledupreez]

Sorry, it’s an issue with my mic input volume. Are you saying your getting midroll adds? I always disable midrolls so I wonder why…

[@starylize]

@@danielledupreez yeah, i got midrolls. it's actually a new thing youtube is doing where they put ads on your video even if you turn off ads or are ineligible for ads. it was apart of their new terms of service, sadly :/

[@pkrikku]

Inspired by how well-constructed your points are!

[@cookingwiththehaitiantwist]

Love this video!

[@solvedfyi]

All the statements here are so obvious I can't believe they had to be said. But that video was so dumbfounding

[@stoptellingmetolikecomment1624]

Katherout spoke about her own experience and people want to tell her she's wrong. About her own lived experience. Ridiculous.

[@marselijaneredford3161]

Love this video. Very important points. Subbed! Should I make a podcast channel?

[@KevZen2000]

"Dream" jobs don't exist for the most part, although some jobs are better than others. Typically it is the owner of the company or owners that has the dream and you are making it a reality for them by working

[@SC-gw8np]

Hahah good comment.

[@DebraJohnson]

I love this take.

[@leonardobarzi7010]

When you work in a corporation you are more than likely a "cog in the machine." Therefore, I would argue that a person working a service job has a much larger impact on society compared to a person working a corporate job. Most people aren't CEO's. Also, I think service workers need to organize and unionize immediately (or strengthen existing unions)!! The prospect of "service" will no longer mask low/stagnant wages and burnout. I think collective action is essential for our profession.

[@dorneedwards330]

very unusual stuff. great if you are living in the moment. But what when you had enough of this lifestyle?

[@lais.v.m]

People who live to work are hoping their children don't have to and are able to "ascend" in the social ladder... but even if they do, they'll enter the cycle of professionalism. the problem with jobs is capitalism, that's not even questionable. you say she's privileged (and she is) but you said your parents sacrificed generational estability when they moved to the US. some of us never had generational estability, that's what happens when your ancestors are enslaved and sistemicaly unable to access ressources, wich leads to generational poverty. You need to check your privilege as well, capitalism doesn't exist without white supremacy.

[@danielledupreez]

Thank you for bringing up something important. I did not get a chance to address it in the video, but my opinion is that the greatest driver of inequality in the US is systemic racism, and another thing that bothers me about these types of videos is I feel like they are scapegoating capitalism in a way that’s blind to more sinister drivers of injustice. Any economic system projected onto a systemically racist society will perpetuate inequity. Capitalism is defined by private control of the means of production, whereas socialism is public control of the means of production. But fair public control depends on the society to be fair. I am concerned that white americans control too much social power for socialism to be fair if it were to happen right now. I favor a mixed economy to allow for social mobility but to provide for the welfare of all citizens. I also theoretically favor reparations, however I’m not very knowledgeable about their logistics and real impact. But I do disagree with what you said at the end “capitalism doesn’t exist without white supremacy.” The economic system perpetuates social inequality but it did not cause them. Also, just to note, I intentionally said my parents sacrificed generational “stability” to contrast that with wealth. I just meant they gave up the social support of their family by moving across the world. But they moved here because of generations of barely scraping by, financially, and depending on the children to fund the parents’ retirement, which is why I have also inherited that mentality.

[@charlesmathieu9255]

the ultimate problem with American capitalism is that within it we put these huge corporations on such a pedestal that they end up controlling our lives either directly or even indirectly

[@muhammadsohaib3608]

Hey, sorry this is an off-topic comment. I wanted to know whether you still edit common app essays or not? I read reviews about your editing and I really want my essay to be edited from you.

[@Anna-pd6dc]

The volume on this video is really low

[@sarrahvee]

exactly.

[@casebeth]

For me it´s never been that the job itself isn´t meaningful to me. It´s been that the management has been insufferable. It doesn´t matter how well aligned you feel in a job if you are treated like shit by the boss.

[@CaptainCody7]

The motivation is to work hard so we can build a more stable foundation for future generations. Then bashes generational wealth for half the video. People are so judgment and have zero idea how people got where the are. In many cases the silver spoon comes from 20+ years of 100 hours a week.

[@VanityLuxe]

Most of the people critiquing Catherine's video in the I don't dream of Labor movement don't work a corporate job and never have LOL most of y'all literally don't even know what it's like to live the slow churn and burn. I don't understand why everyone is so pressed for people to continue to love capitalism and American work culture. Everyone who's critiquing these is completely missing the point of the I don't dream of Labor topic. Everyone is literally trying to find ways why capitalism needs to be upheld, and how their work is so fulfilling and blah blah blah blah. But yet you're sitting here on KZbin just like her. Most of you have only worked service jobs and feel triggered and attacked that people who have had higher paying jobs or have had more seemingly don't appreciate those jobs. But clearly that's because you have never been on the other side of it. I'm so tired of everyone acting like because you have a privilege of something, that you are obligated to never be unsatisfied with anything. What you may see is a privilege for somebody else may not feel like a privilege to them. Because everything has drawbacks. I've worked both jobs I worked in retail for 10 years and I've been in the corporate world for three. And I can already tell you have basically no real work experience. I mean I could be wrong but I'd love to know your actual work experience before you critique the so-called privileged.

[@danielledupreez]

I'm an elementary school teacher. I’m not triggered by the fact that someone in a higher paying job is unsatisfied. In fact, I understand that for some people, they feel obligated to do something unsatisfying simply because they need the money to build wealth because they’ve never had it. What I don’t understand is why KZbinrs who have only worked corporate jobs are claiming that few to no jobs are satisfying and that they all feed a corporate system. EVERYONE working in the public sector knows they could be making more money elsewhere but they sacrificed money for doing something more fulfilling or that better aligns with their values or whatever other reason. The answer to the question of what do you do if you want to subvert capitalism (and have the means to) is to work a job that promotes socialism. Not to disavow the concept of labor. Labor will always have to exist. It should not, however, be mandatory in order to have our basic needs met. But everyone who has worked a shitty job just for the money already knows it sucks that we have to work to survive. If we want to change that reality, we have to actually align our work with that goal. This may be impossible to do at a corporation, but it is certainly not impossible on the whole. I feel Katherine’s and many similar videos miss the point that not everyone chooses a job because of the perceived status that it conveys, and given that the vast majority of us will have to work, we should weigh more heavily how the job actually aligns with our values, perhaps reevaluate our financial goals to see if they can be more modest, in order to identify a job or set of jobs that actually can be part of our life’s work. It is possible to have a meaningful and fulfilling job but that often takes sacrifice of status and/or money and I feel that’s important for viewers of these videos to know.

[@youtube_user_v]

how come you wear glasses? didn't lasik work?

[@whatwhat8524]

Great question! I want to know too.

[@danielledupreez]

They’re computer glasses for blue light & eye strain. I don’t wear them when I’m not at the computer :)

[@youtube_user_v]

@@danielledupreez gotcha

[@reese6235]

MS DU PRE PRE IS THAT THE SAME CAT U HAVE NOW

[@KayGee_yt]

Maybe I'm just projecting my ideas onto Catherine's video, but I think you're kind of missing the point. I got from it that she doesn't want to work at all. Yes there isn't a dream job, but more so the dream isn't to have a job. Like people making these videos are trying to live in some ideal world where no one has to work. Obviously such a thing is not possible with how we're society is set up... But it can still be nice to talk about I do appreciate your perspective though

[@NFSMAN50]

Mixed feelings about the topic I agree and disagree, nobody should be forced to work a job they hate to fund a lifestyle they can't afford, but also what Katherine misses is that if everyone were to quit their jobs, the world will collapse and go into a state of anarchy. You need paramedics, office workers, drivers, fast food workers, garbage men, etc, unless we have robots that can do it for us, its impossible.

[@crow4834]

I dont think she meant that everyone should quit their jobs I personally took it as quit the job that doesn’t make you happy and find what does.

[@dodawes]

3:34, that’s it!! That’s the clip! That’s what the “eat the rich” “death to capitalism” rich NYU students don’t get 😂😂

[@amoghskulkarni]

Her cat's name is Latte T_T

[@amoghskulkarni]

Yay, thanks for the heart ma'am! And I love your videos! Keep 'em coming! 😊

[@asifmuniruniverse7732]

Here people have much money in big stomach full with more money

[@Followmybliss777]

Yes her video was basically her being very privileged and still unhappy and drawing crazy conclusions due to privilege and lack of life experience. A dream job doesn’t exist. It’s just a job that works with our values and priorities, balanced with the fact that, you know, it’s a job. Lol 😂

[@asifmuniruniverse7732]

Because I didn't applicant there if I need jobs than I must take here why I spending my own money hwre

[@samanthacox9191]

That was the first and last video I will ever watch by @Katherout. It is so telling to me when a person has the perspective that it is inherently wrong for your work to be attached to your “purpose”. Perhaps the notion is problematic if your work is devoid of compassion and does nothing to contribute to bettering society, but there are plenty of people who pursue meaningful AND well paying jobs.

[@sleepy.thehuman]

I think the point really went over your head. the problem is it’s just constantly drilled into people’s head that they HAVE to do something. you have to go to school and graduate and then get a good well-paying job. but in the midst of all of that, you never learn or at least explore yourself because you HAVE to want to work. that’s fine if you love what you do, but most people don’t because they HAVE to do something instead of figuring out what they actually want to do.

[@ad2094]

"Meaningful and well paying jobs" are out of reach for most people. Most people are not in a position to find work that is filled with "compassion" and that video is at the very least, simply pointing out that it is unhealthy to ground so much of yourself into your work. And this advice can be useful across income groups. It's useful for people working in warehouses, factories, meat packing plants, driving trains, etc to understand that work doesn't have to be so integral to our identities. It's also useful for disillusioned lawyers and doctors who come into those industries with a dream and find themselves working 100 hours a week and not actually helping anyone. If you're one of the few who have a job you love, that allows you to contribute the way you want AND keeps you above poverty, that is great, but you are in the minority of people. There is a strong irony in criticizing the other lady's video for a privileged perspective using another privileged perspective.

[@nellyls7872]

Love the video but you speak too soft haha I almost cannot hear you, but a good job overall.

[@yuujiro12]

To me the original video was so tone deaf. In the comments someone did call her out for coming off as privileged and her response was literally that in her experience "working class folks are actually much more adept at detaching their worth from their jobs because they understand that work is for survival and not fulfillment" Yikes.

[@ad2094]

What's wrong with this statement? I work in a warehouse for minimum wage in Georgia and I can say no one at the warehouse is thinking that we should be here or placing our worth in our jobs. Let me just speak for myself but I'm there to get paid, there's no fulfillment in packing orders. It's mind numbing work to scrape by. 90% of conversations with coworkers is everyone worrying about making the pay work, finding a better job or getting out of the neighborhood somehow.

[@yuujiro12]

@Aderinsola Adesida it's because it's a generalization of all of the working class. It's not to say that there aren't jobs where you just turn off your brain and get the jobs done, it's just unfortunate that she lumped all of the jobs together, basically invalidating anyone who gets fulfillment out of a lower paying job or is concerned about finding fulfillment while doing lower paid jobs. It comes off a lot like "poor ppl don't have the capacity to worry about feeling fulfillment in their jobs"

[@raydra5466]

"Non-profits" are really no different than "for profit" - both serve to benifit society.

[@jacobklein2658]

Great analysis. Your connections to privilege are very valid and important for everyone to consider

[@chrislane6417]

Cat -- check Headphones on -- check Thumbnail not mirrored -- check 480p -- X 720p -- X 1080p -- X

[@danielledupreez]

question - why would I mirror the thumbnail?

[@chrislane6417]

@@danielledupreez that's my question to you too :) why did you mirror it on the previos video? maybe you just like the flipped version of yourself? not that it's smth bad

[@danielledupreez]

Oh I didn’t notice it was mirrored...

[@Valentina-lf9uj]

I recommend you watch the video "Wokeism" in a channel called Carefree Wandering, or Zizek talking about how non-left (neoliberal) some of this new notions about identity are.

[@di3486]

Those notions are from the extreme left not neoliberal

[@lethabomahlatse3109]

Hey Danielle I sent you a message on Instagram please get back to me ❤️❤️🇿🇦

[@lehlohonolodhlamini6681]

Your name screams South African

[@tchaney3777]

Well her video was first person so 🧐🤷🏻‍♀️

[@danielledupreez]

Whether the perspective was personal or not, she made it public and therefore it can affect people’s opinions on society and themselves. And that’s why I responded to her general ideas and not to her personal choices and motivations.

[@tchaney3777]

@@danielledupreez And I realize that but a few others seem not to.

[@yuujiro12]

Which makes it less privileged how?

[@tchaney3777]

@@yuujiro12 Not the point kiddo.

[@yuujiro12]

@@tchaney3777 first of all it's just gross to call someone "kiddo" to talk down to them. Second of all, if that's not the point then you sure did a shit job making your point. The original video is so doused in privilege and if you can't see that, it's just sad.