That vegan teacher has a racism problem

[@Maximmmino]

I need you all to know that I cut out like 20+ minutes of her talking about circumcision

[@aelwynwitch9460]

Why are vegans like this?

[@soyaholic]

Thank you for your service

[@diannahenshaw5156]

MAXIMINO... I don't know the rules of KZbin, but I think you need to blur out the word from her texts. I don't want you to get... I forget what KZbin infractions are called.

[@sadib4782]

doing gods work

[@Maximmmino]

@@diannahenshaw5156 I’m gonna try leaving it up and hope nothing bad happens but this is a good reminder for next time 🫡

[@amberrreith7851]

she wants a slur for vegans so badly so she can "reclaim it" and use it openly and can't get pushback the way she could for other slurs

[@alphakevin687]

I propose Vigger.

[@MsThangz]

So true 😂😂😂

[@kaz1015]

That's so intuitive, I hadn't considered that but now it's all I'm hearing from her.

[@Long_May_They_Raine]

She’s vegan but she hates weed? LAME, let me go pack another bowl.

[@TheSapphireLeo]

That can still be harmful and that word is also speciesist and abelist?

[@Long_May_They_Raine]

@@TheSapphireLeo …girl, what??

[@TheSapphireLeo]

​​@@Long_May_They_RaineAlso not a girl, and are you a black person for that, and if not every black person wants to be miss/in/appropriated from? Animals who become disabled by colonialism, are also klled for it and/or any inconvenience? Also smoking is also harmful and bypassing issues with it?

[@Long_May_They_Raine]

@ ohhhh, you’re a troll. Gotcha. Gonna go back to taking care of my work 😂

[@hadriandwyer2191]

​@@Long_May_They_Raine the utter confusion in your first reply is fucking sending me

[@mert828]

She acts like Black people have never called each other the n word? Novel idea. Nobody ever thought of it.

[@kaz1015]

Yup, here's me thinking where's this woman been for the past few decades, living under a rock?

[@lenorebunny]

For a supposed teacher, "I don't believe in race" is a fundamentally ignorant take. Race is a construct yes, but its consequences are very real.

[@veronicaveeroni]

If you can't see race you can't see injustices or systemic issues founded on racism

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Well, it is a political mechanism, and systemic?

[@aelwynwitch9460]

@@TheSapphireLeo Look at wrinkle free brain. Did you use Bounce to get it so smoothe?

[@Space_Prince]

Im sayinn

[@H.Liddell]

And she claims she went to nursing school... Race plays a huge part in genetics and how someone's body can react to disease, disorders, medicine etc. Id never let her teach anybody I know anything at all.

[@0rbeez]

37:13 is she seriously saying she wants indigenous or Indian children to “reclaim” the n-word???? Girl they got their own slurs why you assigning them a new one 😭

[@halfnhaalf]

PLSS IM GIGGLING 😭😭😭

[@LizSSwan]

Vexing Exasperating Grating Annoying Noisy Nailed it

[@eveofthewood]

Caring about animals is all well and good... but this woman falls into the trap of "vegan who exaggerates any point they may have to the point that no one can take her seriously"

[@Maximmmino]

I love the stardew pfp 100% she's a caricature of the wacky victim vegan stereotype and it just detracts from any good point she may ever make and does not help the movement at all

[@OofWillis]

When I came out as gay, I was very much influenced to do it to let my then-fiance know why I was breaking up with him despite the fact that I lost my family for nearly a decade because of it…. Yep. TOTALLY selfish!

[@EDT308]

Came out as trans, endured constant criticism from my family, the threat to rejection from my loved ones. Yep! Absolutely selfish

[@dawn8293]

33:02 I'm disabled in a way that makes trying to be vegan a bad decision for me. Unless I could hire a dietician and a cook, it wouldn't be accessible for me to learn to plan and prepare a whole new, nutritionally balanced diet that I'm willing to eat. I've tried to be vegetarian. I got sick and starved and had to quit.

[@IceFireofVoid]

I've had similar issues simply trying to increase how many greens are in my diet. Wasn't even trying to go vegetarian or anything. Just more greens. I ended up eating so much because I was just hungry all the time.

[@MasonShmason]

@@IceFireofVoid I had way better results with the 25/25/50 rule. 1/4 of your plate protein, 1/4 starchy root vegetables (preferably mixed, carrots, potatoes, parsnips, turnips, etc) and 1/2 plate leafy greens. I follow it up with a fiber supplement to keep myself from wanting to scarf down fried food.

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

Same here. Vegan diet wasn't good with my disabilities, either. Hard enough to take care of myself as is.

[@motorcitymangababe]

This woman screams "I have no unique aspect intrinsic to my character, so I'm going to latch onto this ideology and use it to make myself as important and worthy of attention as the people who have actual struggles in life," Like the lgbt bs is literally "Yeah I know queer teens and young adults can be abused. made homeless, or even murdered, and that adults being open about their identities normalizes queerness and makes society safer for those at risk teens- but I think eating animals is bad so I'm more important" instead of idk, making the valid comparison that smaller personal actions (being our/ refraining from animal products) can be small but profound ways to impact a larger system that seems out of our control. But then again, that would imply her being part of the whole and not the sole arbiter of judgment of people in marginalized communities.

[@marahbaker8615]

I'd heard of the Vegan Teacher and that she was awful but holy crap that opening. I've only been watching for 16 minutes and ive lost count of how many times I've said "Oooh my God!"

[@Maximmmino]

I was not at all prepared

[@FoxxyFire-HellFrost]

I'm a vegetarian and also handicapped. I've been harassed for both things but the things people said about me being a "cripple" hurt far more than being insulted for being a vegetarian. Why? I chose to be a vegetarian and am proud of it. I did NOT choose to have cancer and become disabled. It hurts more to be attacked over something that was completely out of my control than something I am actually extremely proud of. As a side note, I am proud of being a cancer survivor, but being called a cripple with nasty connotations inferred makes me feel insignificant. There is a huge difference and her pretending it's about her diet is scapegoating.

[@LS-kc5xg]

Bruh. I'm embroiled in this because I told someone on the internet that calling someone fruity was derogatory and not too kind. Now I'm a sensitive snowflake. And the problem because we live in the age where everyone gets a participation trophy. Literally those were the responses. If someone tells me something makes them uncomfortable I thank them for sharing with me and don't say it anymore. These people can't even handle an ounce of feedback and have to manipulate, gaslight, and blow things up. So0o0o who is sensitive?

[@Maximmmino]

I feel like it shouldn't be this hard for them to understand but ?? Wild how defensive and sensitive these people are

[@LS-kc5xg]

@Maximmmino its seems futile cause you can't even have a conversation. Also she's not being censored? She's just having consequences for her actions. The mental gymnastics is wild. I can't believe you watched even more of this than we did. Lol

[@patti6178]

I think it says a lot about a person if they think saying whatever they want on principle is more important than showing respect and kindness to others

[@danmeifan]

Every time she says "this is a holocaust" or mentions circumcision I explode internally.

[@Darksword-786]

The problem I have with TVT is that she acts as if she is always a victim. She always plays the victim card, as if she hasn’t done anything wrong. She compares things that have nothing to do with each other and acts if she’s made a point by comparing the two things.

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Actually what they say is objectively correct when the truth and yes, also, as more or less a Greek person, when Greek people were also in the h0l0caust, agriculture is the biggest ongoing one and by colonialism, too?

[@Darksword-786]

@ WTF are you saying? Am I disputing what vegans are talking about, also WTF do the Greeks have to do with anything I have said? I just voiced my complaint the about the way TVT portrays herself, she has a victim mentality.

[@jayv9070]

The "Naturally Intelligent Gorgeous..." bit at the beginning sent me into an absolute fit of laughter. This is so outrageous

[@Long_May_They_Raine]

Oop I’m black, guess I’m over it now. Thanks, vegan teacher!!! 🥸

[@arianafalarski8500]

She's very misinformed about mother pigs, they're put in those narrow birthing stalls to keep from crushing the piglets as they roll

[@TheSapphireLeo]

None of that should exist?

[@aickavon]

The thing about reclaiming words is that it takes *YEARS* to do and not everyone in the category will agree with it. Take the term, Queer... it's a reclaimed word but not everyone in the LGBTQ+ will view it as such. More and more people are warming up to it, but that's not something that just happened over night with a vote. So yes, an old lady who isn't in the group cannot just ask 'hey is this reclaimed yet?'

[@dannabanana52]

Anyone can be a person who is not racist or homophobic or classist and say something that is considered offensive in any way. It’s not something to double down on though, it’s something to apologize for and stop saying.

[@loisprew8820]

This woman is only two years older than me, so I KNOW she grew up with groundbreaking shows like: Maude, Sanford and Son, All in the Family, the Jeffersons. She knows better. All those shows in the 70’s educated us about racism, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, ableism. Those of us in our fifties know better.

[@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow]

It’s what happens when you place a certain issue above everything else. She MIGHT hate black people, but she would absolutely bring back slavery if it Meant deconstructing the animal product industry

[@Long_May_They_Raine]

I forgot all about this little slice of the Vegan Teacher insanity. The anagram is CRAAAAAZY 😂😂😂

[@Maximmmino]

Was I the only one who didn't know about her 😭😭

[@Long_May_They_Raine]

@@Maximmminoapparently! 😭 I think oompaville covered her rather heavily bc she was harassing him and Kris.

[@AcanthaDante]

Tabitha Coffey did something similar with the word bitch in a Ted talk, but the difference is that people called Tabitha a bitch and she turned it around for herself, whereas TVT is telling other people to do it.

[@FancySpicyTuna]

I wasn’t even looking when she spelt out the anagram. I was making coffee, heard her say each word and as my brain clued it all it I just said “you bitch.”

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Also careful with the abelist words?

[@FirstPancakeUncovered]

My friend i was ✨not ready✨ for this woman this early in the morning

[@patti6178]

That 10/10 gorgeous beast gratuitously napping in the background is healing my soul.

[@shiftyferret9654]

With proper context, I do think kids should see where their meat comes from and respect the gift it is. Friends had a farm, we would all help out when it was harvest time. Even the kids. It was not glorified, but it was also not terrifying.

[@Maximmmino]

I agree I think gordon raises a lot of his own animals with his kids Which is great I feel like she is more on the side of wanting to traumatize kids out of eating meat and that doesn't help anyone

[@tonoornottono]

@@Maximmminoi do think being vegan is just better than not being vegan. like there’s literally just an obvious and sort of undeniable moral claim to it. but yeah scare tactics and fear based rhetoric are not just bad for people but they’re also ineffective

[@tartagliussy529]

​@@tonoornottonofr we need to start educating kids on the meat industries and how a lot of awful shit does happen so we can work towards changing. More people would probably chose to be vegetarian/vegan if they were properly educated on the subject

[@TheSapphireLeo]

​@@tonoornottonoAlso calling it for what it is is also the truth and is education?

[@aelwynwitch9460]

@@shiftyferret9654 my partner and his ex did that.

[@medicaoctavia8002]

She wants us to stop being mean… while she’s casually mean to non-vegans.

[@mars6233]

I got an add during a random vegan teacher rant that said "schedule a doctor's appointment" I have a lump in my boob, and it's turning red and spreading. I scheduled an appointment, for a mammogram, they only did an ultrasound, but it's getting worse. I'll try to remember to finish the video but I feel like this is a sign really weird moment for a "life defining moment" but the universe is calling

[@mars6233]

Random update no one asked for, I have an appointment next month! Now I can ignore my obviously festering breast for another month. TBH I'm exhausted all the time and I low key think my heart problems on top of what is probably a raging infection has me ready to give up. I don't have regrets in life at least.

[@soapygreens1557]

​@mars6233 -- Take care of yourself! You took the initiative to get medically checked, that's great! Wishing you well..😊

[@shallowwater]

I might would feel sorry for her if she was any other person. She has spent her entire if not most of her youtube career being cruel to people, made it her bread and butter. Now she's getting flustered and upset? You of all people say you love all when you actively have gone out of your way to attack others and make them feel like shit? No. You don't get sympathy nor empathy. If you were any other person who treated and spoke to your peers like a decent person I would empathize and sympathize with how you're feeling but my dear, this is karma and you have earned every bitter bite of it that's being fed to you.

[@charlesp.8555]

Is it me or does her tone resemble Diane's?

[@louhortonsculpture]

Yup. That sickly sweet high pitched voice that barely hides her disdain for everyone else.

[@Shann1989]

Woah ur right!

[@Tav3]

She does! It's the tone of narcissism seasoned with self-righteousness

[@patti6178]

Not just you.

[@123adamhewitt]

I could just imagine her as a school teacher telling grade school kids it’s ok to say the N word, then all those kids use the N word out loud in public repeatedly just like that SpongeBob episode “Sailor mouth” My god that would be hilarious 😅

[@nenasadie]

I think she's trying to start a new alt-right pipeline of her own or something. Charitable version is she has a complete in ability to introspect. But I'm erring towards the prior view because she should have figured it out already. She hasn't because there's an ulterior motive.

[@leafyleafs]

i love how she's so afraid to say the word black and constantly calls all black people "dark skinned" or "the dark skinned community" - like she didn't JUST say there are different shades of skin for black people like 😭😭 girl please sit down and think before you yap

[@Ysflight2R2w]

Great video of you exposed her using that word. She said she is proud of saying the N-word she keeps on saying now days

[@Darksword-786]

She wouldn’t have the guts to say it face to face, in front of a black person. She does it from the safety of her own home or car, that’s how you know she doesn’t believe her own words. She just cares about attention.

[@kirausamaria5409]

This woman shouldn't be a teacher, she has no respect for anyone and she's a bad example for children. I don't agree with circumsicion either but I don't act all crazy because of it.

[@organictroll]

She has control issues. She doesn’t want to enlighten anyone, she demands that people believe everything she believes. And how can it be so important to say offensive slurs and call it censorship if other people don’t like it. Censorship also applies to government overreach not private businesses (platforms) saying that they can’t say something while using their platforms, or a store owner saying their behavior is not acceptable in their business isn’t censorship. I just want to tell her not to demand certain behaviors out of others but never criticize her.

[@jdbrown9380]

The look on Jamie’s face when she said coming out is selfish was priceless

[@MochiFowl_4412]

Even the marker is done with her bullshit lmao 😂

[@ursawendal498]

My husband used to work in a pork plant. The pigs were all very calm on the way to the gassing. The pigs being upset or anxious changes the quality of the meat. She's wrong. Part of the process is to be as kind as possible to the animals at the end of their lives.

[@AcanthaDante]

Here in the UK animals have to be stunned first, though there are religions that have exemptions. I called bs right on that.

[@ursawendal498]

@@AcanthaDante the gas puts them to sleep and they are slaughtered on the other side of it. It's kind of the same as stunning. Cows aren't the same and there are certain practices with cows that I find repulsive. Seems like everything out of her mouth is a lie or an exaggeration.

[@Long_May_They_Raine]

“She looks like she could be that to me!” 😇😇😇

[@jdbrown9380]

I hope when you said “Yep, she’s Canadian” it’s because she kept saying “Sorry” and not because you think we’re all like her 😜

[@Maximmmino]

My girlfriend and my best friend are both canadian so we'll never know 😭😭

[@jdbrown9380]

@ dude 😂

[@chrissknits]

She literally says call me anything and I'll take it... but this whole video is her complaining she was called a word "racist"

[@Outnumberedbykidsandcats]

32:31 did she really just reference Robin Williams as though there was any kind of shame in what he did? Was it tragic that he died the way he did? Of course it was, but he went out on his terms rather than live with his condition. Having seen my Grandma suffer with Lewy Body dementia and completely hallucinating awful things happening to her, I can see why he didn’t want to live with that. Then this witch decides to compare her reading people calling her racist with his experience 😢.

[@barelylegalbriefs]

Ideological hardliners cannot defend themselves forever.

[@mariomastermunkin734]

Here’s something to describe ThatVeganTeacher: Talented Wonderful Awesome Thoughtful (Pay attention to the acronym I gave her).

[@nateB-l7k]

She’s Beautiful Interesting Tolerant Calm Happy Young

[@projectsoul6589]

This woman is just a grifter is what it is. She has no actual stance, and the only thing she wants from people and her own audience is praise. Shes a hypocrite through and through. One day she supports gay people and then afterwards are saying they are being selfish

[@crazycatlady6226]

Sometimes I think it’s rage bait and other times i genuinely think she is absolutely insane.

[@I_missthesage]

Vegans: hey can you not be racist? That Vegan teacher: B-buh da animals 🥺

[@jamesgregory3093]

Should out to Jamie's reaction at 15:49 perfect face of wtf

[@jennabeth6851]

Absolutely. Jamie's face is iconic and honestly my face when hearing her talk.

[@Thesweatindoom2_394]

Bro got the Zelda tingle build

[@mj13again]

She thinks like a child.

[@SillyDanishGayFather]

nah, kids are smarter

[@nateB-l7k]

See, slurs are only acceptable if the community that they were used against are using them.

[@123adamhewitt]

She doesn’t apologise if she says something offensive, she doubles down on it or just sweeps it under rug.

[@aelwynwitch9460]

I feel your laughing in cringe. I first yelled "nooooo.....no no no stop" them started laughing bc its so fucking baaaaaad. I did the @funkyfrogbait cringing on her couch. 😅 I really find ppl trying so hard to be edgy si cringe.

[@nateB-l7k]

Bruh she used the hard R😭😭🙏

[@fernandorios474]

She said it in *ACRONYM* I know she said it I'm not gonna say it but it is there

[@robjackson4050]

honestly i agree with her on banning words under freedom of speech

[@animatorstanley]

It's amazing that she says to keep an open mind, learn, use critical thinking skills, be compassionate, etc and she does none of that herself. Also was she a Sunday school teacher or does Canada not have separation of church and state?

[@CYCL0PZZZZ]

why does she talk like a hazbin hotel character

[@nastycrafter4640]

OMG IT'S ONE FREAKING WORD YOU SHOULDN'T SAY!!! Is it such an affront to your "rights" to have one word off limits? You people know who you are.

[@emilycatlady3595]

I love how she encourages critical thinking, but when people apply critical thinking to what she’s saying, they need to stop… I also love how she decides the moral standards for everyone… like… is this lady actually for real? Actually?!

[@loisprew8820]

She can dish it but she can’t take it.

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Accepting your racist, etc., is also the first step to healing, if you also want to heal from it, for the sake of truth?

[@Malvok]

A speaker never gets to decide for others how they should feel about the words being spoken. If you say, or write, something that hurts people then you have to face the consequences of your actions.

[@h3nceforthofficial]

Dude, the vegan teacher stuff died three years ago.

[@Moonhart44]

Wow she said the n word in the safety of her house behind a screen. Just like an 11 year old on cod. So tuff

[@jezpin3638]

'using the wrong pronouns is illegal' is a Jordan Peterson trope

[@SarahPalmer-e2k]

This woman is evil, so creepy. She should not be allowed anywhere near children.

[@cheeborg]

Yoooooo "being smart and having a clear mind is a great way to be sad" hit hard

[@mandymagnolia1966]

Nooo she did not just do a call and response with herself at the end with that prayer 😂

[@cheeborg]

1:04:40 also perfection! if i have a thought or opinion that i notice only being "forgiven"/excused/shared by a certain type of person, i start to really re-think it from the perspective that i must be harboring some implicit bias and i'm probably wrong.

[@HannahHäggAutisticTransWoman]

Being lgbtq isn't a choice, you are born to be lgbtq but being vegan is entirely a choice. That the vegan teacher doesn't understand that baffling but not shocking

[@lostross]

my cat gives the same taps at 12:48 when she wants to be pet

[@cheeborg]

People really don't like to introspect and admit when they maybe weren't right.

[@mert828]

Weed doesn't make you stupid.

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Well, it can degrade you, let alone when smoking it, overtime and if bypassing can end up unbalanced and unhealed, when not introspecting traumas and understand them?

[@cheeborg]

19:50 "just a little racism, as a treat" lol

[@skelelizzi]

The point she made is banning words are bad - the n word wasnt banned, its just being taken back by the people who are allowed to use it. same with the f word... so her whole point is delulu but I guess we all already knew that. Its just wild a women is this stupid or fame hungry.

[@skelelizzi]

also I didnt know being Bi is selfish~ let me just straighten up

[@Amj7211]

the rules in place with baby animals are because of Peta because of inbreeding issues espically since 1 bull for example can impregnate an entire field of cows (thank you clarksons farm i wouldnt have known this otherwise) . yes ok there are some very very small farms which do treat them terribly. but the farm animals have been genetically bread for almost domestication. without humans then the livestock probably wont survive today. most livestock have too many medical issues now to be "left" then these activists will blame farmers again. they are never happy

[@bec7080]

The anagram😂😂😂 nooooooooooo *pulls up the contact to every Black person I know*

[@Mioda-g2z]

I bet she doesn't even know what a bolt gun is 😂😂

[@MiMiLfE]

When you said “ none of these words apply to her “ I beg to differ … the C word may …. JS 😂

[@EdenthelRei]

She meant the word for Chinese people

[@CharlieApples]

This looks like a really edgy motivational poster designed to teach black children that they’re more than a n*, they are all these positive and important character traits… Until you get to the bottom where it says, “Ban cruelty, not words”. Like, don’t ban the use of historically oppressive slurs, just be sure to call the black person radiant after referring to them as a freakin’ _slave.”_ Amazing work, 11/10 outrage grift, stunlocked me big time

[@EdenthelRei]

Banning words gives them more power not less

[@Curiosweet]

I swear you could make a bingo board with their meandering talking points. Trans mention, holocause mention, homophobia, etc. etc.

[@Sophie-ur2qb]

I never watched this much of this lady. I always thought she was trying anything she can to be shocking to get more views. Being annoying and offensive gets more attention 😞 Why does she even want to use that slur? There's no need. Is she actually a teacher?

[@Maximmmino]

She says she was an english teacher at some point but i don't think she is anymore

[@mekomamizuko]

The mental gymnastics this woman has

[@dannabanana52]

I’m constantly defending my generation in comments. These people are making Gen x look worse than we are. The sane old people aren’t even on social media much. I like the videos because I’m home on an injury and I have nothing else to do for a few more weeks.

[@rsh793]

She's not gen X and she's just a twerp. I don't defend any generation - there's good and bad in everyone and every group. But each of us make the choice to be nice or not - and that's on the individual - and this one is just not nice

[@alexmuse3565]

"there are consequences to saying the n-word"

[@rhysgarner8677]

The Vegan Teacher has many problems. Apparently I’m ‘selfish’ for coming out as gay rather than vegan.

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

As a former vegan, the culture of bigotry is one of the reasons that drove me away.

[@cozmo840]

The Arby’s I’m eating right now somehow tastes better right now…

[@rsh793]

Lol this woman is bonkers

[@okiedokieartichokie772]

I used to be so insulted by cursing. Now it doesnt bother me because they have no meaning but sentence flavoring. B* and c* and all the other women directed slurs mean nothing to me when said by a woman. But if a man calls me that its still incredibly offensive. I grew up white in a mostly black school.and the nord flowed like water in those halls. And still i woukd never ever say it because even as a kid i understood it was used to call someone less than human

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Calling animals "beef" is speciesist and animals should not be seen and passed off as "food" and "drink" and also not everyone in the black community want their culture, accents and vernaculars used, when not a black person? Also this puts them at risk of erasure and misrepresentation, which still happens?

[@robinfarina2966]

She's the equivalent of a religious narcissist

[@Jay-D92]

29:53 Wouldn't closing the comments section be an example of censoring people because you don't like what they're saying, which is what she says she wants to ban (censorship of language)?

[@dazeval2372]

Holy shit what the way I gasped 3:11

[@NayomiSimmons]

Did she ever notice that we are animals to cuz, we are mammals.

[@SqualidsargeStudios]

What style is that stash?

[@andreasvandieaarde]

I have a few thoughts to share on these highlights as a vegan myself, since it's not just about racism, but speciesism, too. Firstly, it seems TVT might not be racist philosophically - that is, she does not believe it is justified - while missing the mark on the impacts of her behaviour psychologically. Her writing the N-word and saying she wants to reclaim it for example demonstrates the philosophy of her belief as not wanting to discriminate, without seeing that psychologically, given power dynamics and historical context, she is still offensive and is not coming off the way she wants to. In my opinion, she is not philosophically racist, but she does not see that her behaviour is because of psychological factors, and that she should stop doubling down and recognize it. Secondly, when it comes to comparisons of the Jewish Holocaust with animal agriculture, again, I believe there is a massive psychological barrier here. This does align with the first point of her being racist. Perhaps it simply isn't her (or any non-Jewish) person's place to make that kind of comparison for similar reasons to reclaiming the N-word. Fair enough. Maybe the comparison is also distasteful because of the comparison of human and non-human animals being dehumanizing. I do believe that speciesism is grossly under discussed, and that is part of why that comparison comes off immediately as grossly anti-Semitic. Alex Hershaft is one example of an animal rights advocate who not only makes direct comparisons to the Jewish Holocaust and animal agriculture, but survived the Jewish Holocaust himself. Isaac Bashevis Singer is another example of a Jew who made direct comparisons in his novel writing, having narrowly avoided Nazi Germany's reign. Gary Yourovsky is an Israeli-American former animal rights activist who, too, has made direct comparisons, and had a huge impact on Israel's vegan population. Lifting Vegan Logic (LVL) is another animal rights activist who is comfortable making comparisons as a Jew himself and has outright said that it's unreasonable to not use an accurate term to describe what's happening (explained below). Perhaps it is only their place to make comparisons. Importantly, if speciesism is not in the discussion, then this controversial comparison will always be seen at the least as dehumanizing. Until then, sure - I totally understand how controversial it is to compare animal ag to The Holocaust. She also calls what the animals are going through a holocaust, without comparing it to the Jewish Holocaust - I get why that's really controversial even on its own and may come off as anti-Semitic. Once again, if speciesism is not discussed, then of course it would come off that way. The word "holocaust" does have its own meaning separate from what could be called "The Holocaust," which is the Jewish Holocaust, that is defined as slaughter or destruction on a mass scale. The slaughter of animals on a mass scale has been dubbed within the animal rights space as the Animal Holocaust for this reason. In my opinion I believe it is speciesist to suggest that only humans can be victims of a holocaust according to this definition (which I haven't made up, it's a dictionary definition). That said, I understand that the use of that language could be offensive even with this meaning in mind, this is just a bit of context for why animal ag is sometimes described as that, even separate from the direct comparisons to the Jewish Holocaust (I say sometimes because it turns out the vegan community isn't a hive mind and we have different opinions on various vegan-related issues, including the use of this language). Also about the homophobic point: pretty sure she said she's bisexual, so she is LGBTQ. I don't know enough about her takes on LGBTQ rights to know if she's bigoted anyway. That said, I think that context gives the "coming out" video a bit more nuance, while still being controversial, since she would have a bit of experience with it (of course coming out as bi would not be exactly the same as coming out as gay). TL,DR: I hope TVT realizes how her behaviour is racist even if her beliefs may not be, and additionally a lot of context needs to be given for the controversial language used and comparisons made when talking about veganism. Side point: I understand you're not vegan, but I hope you are at least a vegan ally.

[@Maximmmino]

I've read this And don't wanna miss any points Just wanna say that I am def a vegan ally Two of my four best friends are vegan And just like anything else They're good people And they happen to be vegan I think the main thing here is When is accidental racism racism And I've had this talk so much But for the sake of being brief I'm going to keep it really simple As adults I expect us to be able to hold each other accountable And I don't think having said something racist or even a slur would make you racist But doubling down on it Especially as a white person When told it's racist And not even considering the time to learn why Is racist Especially when your whole ideology is These people aren't vegan because they don't have the information needed to feel guilty enough to be vegan so I'm going to ram information down their throats And you just refuse to take information from others about issues that you're adopting but don't apply to you My issue with the holocaust comparison Is really that she shouldn't be the person doing that If a holocaust survivor Or the multiple you mentioned are using it as an example 100% that's their right That's their experience, their people, and their right And all she has to do is cite them and say these people Who are the right people to do so Are comparing these instances to the holocaust and here's why I think that's the right way to do that Instead of just antagonizing everyone for the sake of victimizing yourself between mentions of your tik tok follower count Most of my twitch chat is gay And they all took an issue with what she said I explained what she was trying to say But neither really should've been said And regardless of her inclusion of that community She can still antagonize them In the same way the people in the vegan group were saying that she was just giving others more crazy vegan stereotypes Thank you for taking the time to write all that out

[@andreasvandieaarde]

@@Maximmmino I'm glad you're a vegan ally. I 100% agree that as adults we should hold each other accountable, admittedly it generated a bit of dissonance in me to reconcile how she constantly tries to spread a message of justice and kindness to animals but doubles down when her behaviour towards humans are called out as harmful, let alone blatantly racist. I realize it may have seemed like I was excusing her behaviour by trying to distinguish between the philosophy and psychology behind what she was doing; my bad if it was excusing her, that was my way of processing the dissonance her behaviour generated in me, lol. It's still racist. I also see the point of her being somewhat hypocritical (if that's what you're getting at) when her approach to activism being very much bombard-you-with-information-you-couldn't-have-known-before in an effort to compel you to be vegan, and simultaneously she can't accept information on issues that as you say aren't relevant to her, that would lead to her changing her behaviour. As for the Holocaust comparison she makes (and others do too), I understand your perspective and agree for the sake of having productive conversations that referencing those with unique perspectives is a simple solution to demonstrate sensitivity to the matter. And yes, TVT deflecting to her TikTok follower count and antagonizing everyone on other random things is stupid. Yeah, with the LGBT thing I see how that video was unnecessary antagonism of coming out as vegan vs gay. On another note, personally I don't care for what she refers to as being veganphobic but "Carnist" and "Vystopia" are good, the latter of which I don't think she mentioned in these clips but she did occasionally reference Carnists (referring to adherents to Carnism). Thanks for your very thoughtful response.

[@robertpatriarca]

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