“That Ye May Believe”-Part 1 || Elder David A. Bednar

[@Latterdaysaintcrunchymom]

I had a dream that Elder Bednar came to my house and wanted to rest so I let him sleep on the couch. I then had another weird dream after. I woke up and prayed about it and God told me this: it means you need to make the words of my apostles live in your heart. Then I found this. It answered every question that I had crop up in the past few months. God knows I pay attention to abstract promptings more easily and prepared me to click on a link to a 37 minute video which I usually wouldn’t do!! Thank you for posting this!!

[@JanLaguire]

I enjoy Elder Bednar style of teaching.

[@Ryanhelpmeunderstand]

Wow! That’s an awesome experience. Thanks for sharing! Definitely not a coincidence!

[@adamwatson9214]

Thank you for sharing, this helped me stay for the whole talk

[@DancingQueenie]

The main symbol in your dream is SLEEPING. The message is WAKE UP.

[@nonyabusiness3127]

I am so grateful for your shared testimony about this. I am also so EXCITED that you are creating a relationship directly with God the Father through Jesus Christ using prayer that is enabling you to get the answers to your questions. We ALL have questions, and when we ASK GOD to reveal the answers, He ALWAYS does. I am out of the habit of watching a spiritual talk per day, so clicking on this was out of place for me as well. So HAPPY that I did! 🥰

[@joelnoblett8227]

I am new to the church and still have doubts in the information. I was sent here by Heavenly mother and father to fulfill my role in this church. I had to decide to repent and change to be a member. It is life changing for me. It is a miracle I even converted and walk in to church. I believed so many beliefs that LDS members know today it was easy for me to agree. Yes the holy spirit brought me to this place. You are blessed to know these things.

[@jaredw.7712]

How is it going as a new member? I converted from Atheism over a decade ago and it changed my whole life.

[@joelnoblett8227]

@@jaredw.7712 I see the world differently than many others I have met in this organization. My personal revelations have happened my entire life. One day I dreamed I was an LDS member in a very important role. It made no sense as I knew very little about them and somehow I was a member. For sometime this vision seemed like a weird dream that made no logical sense. Months later I meet LDS missionaries so I followed the rabbit hole to see if the vision has any meaning. Skeptical and 4 months later I was converted. The spiritual experience was intense and satisfying. Whenever I doubted why I am here HF and HM give me realistic proof I am where I need to be. I believe that my companion is in this church and I was sent here to find them I believed immediately that Russell Nelson is a prophet even though I have never met him. My struggle is I am not ordinary which makes it a unique situation for me. I have something to give others that cannot see what I can. Spiritual eyes is real and reading about others having the same gift is comforting. Thanks for reaching out to me I appreciate you.

[@leswalker2639]

Yes many mysteries will be Revealed to all of us. If we will only ask for truth and understandit shall be given to you. Many outsiders do not understand how we as a people. Understand what is given to each member of the Restored church Of jesus christ. Reading the scriptions constantly with a prayer in our heart and mind will always consume revelation, not just given to anyone. Truth and understanding will come more frequently. If we are serious abour goals In Christ. A lot of information comes to each of us through dreams.

[@IanLorenz]

I really feel like Elder Bednar will be a prophet

[@GStar-qd5oi]

Elder Bednar is speaking to Latter-Day Saints, we strive to keep the law of sacrifice, gospel, obedience, chastity, and consecration. We strive to always remember Him, and keep His commandments which He has given us. The outside world, including Protestant Christians can mock, scoff, deride, and dismiss our commitment. They can say keeping these covenants are not necessary....Nevertheless...:). We will keep striving....I've lived these covenants, and can witness they have helped me change my selfish nature, have softened my heart, brought innumerable blessings to my wife and children, refined my soul, and helped me Hear Him each day I strive....no one can take that testimony from me....two years serving the people of Chile, serving in many callings in the church, it's all been a blessing to me. I suggest those not of this faith, especially those professing to be true Christians, allow us to freely practice our faith.....in the end, we will all come to know that Brother Joseph was sincere, the gospel was restored, this is His Church, and we all had our agency to choose. No need for contention...Thank you Elder Bednar.

[@larrainemoore1880]

Beautiful testimony!🧐👍🏼❤️🙏🏼😇👏🏼

[@shaneluck2570]

Wow. Thank you for your testimony.

[@tsmithson1]

The scoffing and mocking you speak of is rarely pointed at "your commitment" to live a resolute life, they are directed towards the insistence to assent to many propositional claims that are not merely a matter of "not being seen" but have been seriously challenged by real evidence. The commitment to live a Christlike life is what the church ought to focus on, building a Zion life community, and get away from the dogmatic stuff that really has nothing to do with the commitment to follow Christ.

[@janwolf843]

Thanks so much, Elder Bednar, for sharing not only the truths that you share, but for sharing them through your humble and sincere testimony. Years ago, I saw you speak at BYU-I when you were President and I had a daughter going there. Your talk was so good, and my husband and I both predicted that you’d be a General Apostle one day. Not long after that, you were called to be a G.A. Were so glad we get to hear you on a regular basis! Thank you for sharing what you know with us. It is always good to hear truths over and over again.

[@wandagurr4763]

What a marvelous message from a prophet of God! It was spot on!!

[@LiveHappy76]

Random, "It's a Small World After All" question...but any relation to a Jana Gurr-don't know her married name and she's probably in her latter 40's. She was someone my oldest brother, stably married many years now, tried to marry....

[@wandagurr4763]

@@LiveHappy76 Yes!

[@EvangelineMunda]

Point well taken and understood. Thank you Elder Bednar. I love to listen to your talks. They are edifying!

[@williamice1601]

I love each of his public talks and q and a,s .

[@JennyG.COW5]

I needed this reminder. Satan definitely tries to justify giving up my Believe in God and His Restored Gospel. Not just the Restored Gospel, but of late, knowing the records of the Bible is true since there have been many hands which these records have passed through. However, I am striving to continue my scripture study and I want to hold on because I know that I can't discover more things if I choose to give up now. Thank you for sharing your Testimony Elder Bednar. One thing I noticed when you were recounting the response the Nephites were having amongst themselves when signs of Jesus Christ's birth was becoming manifested in the Promised Land, was the phrase "Wicked Traditions". Today I see the prophecy of Isaiah 5:20 which describes those in the Last Days ascribing Good as 'evil 'and Evil as 'good'. Many of the Judeo Christian Moral Principles and Traditions have been set aside "as a thing of not.", and have instead been replaced by Satan's agenda. Things such as promoting the breaking down of the Traditional Family, Confusing youth and Adults about their True & Divine Identity (Son or Daughter of God), and worshiping the Earth instead of God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. Thank you for posting this fireside. I am grateful for this timely message God has put in front of me today. ❤️

[@larrainemoore1880]

So true. And to be ridiculed for believing Jesus will come SOON!

[@shaneluck2570]

Please see "Stand Forever" by Brother Cornage.

[@kimlougheed6642]

@@shaneluck2570 Classic...and do check out: Stand Forever by Lawrence E. Corbridge.

[@josevasquez-ju8rb]

my father the heavens are with me jesus is my lord my god i hope he bless you so much that eventually you will want to go home trough me because there is the only way to go back home ...honor and glory to the father forever and ever amen...in jesus name amen.

[@yollymanrique4845]

Everything your message is wisdom thank you for your goodness 🙏 💖

[@nicoledeloncrais5940]

God bless 🙏 Elder bednar's capacity to teach and instruct with powerful nuances and layered insights between the direct instructions is his signature gift 🎁 to us. Creating Beautiful opportunities to prayerfully relisten with scriptures and notebook is aLWAYS deeply rewarding. Thank you again 🙏🎯

[@establishingzion688]

Love love love this talk! Such a classic! Elder Bednar nails another critical topic. He always does! Those who still follow the doctrines of Korihor have a very weak epistemology and weak faith.

[@devarskinnee8760]

What a great man!!! How blessed are we in these latter days!! I love you brother. Love brother skinner.

[@markkrispin6944]

A great man? No way he is a great man. He is a racist and a liar is more like it

[@johnjacobs4207]

Thank you Bro Bednar. WE needed this after being attacked by close family members who have turned against the church and have berated us for our belief's

[@braulio652]

Keep loving. It's the perfect situation to be like Jesus the christ

[@BenMcrea61]

Wonderful. I’m really enjoying listening to a number of Elder Bednars talks and the Holy Ghost witnesses to me that he is a servant of Christ.

[@derekkeyes-br4bj]

I love Elder Bednar. He is a great leader and teacher. Thank you for helping me believe!

[@pearlnik5]

These messages are so beautiful. I feel so grateful for the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and for those servants of the Lord who helped accomplish His work ❤ God is so good. Jesus Christ is our Savior. Amen.

[@karyshort4994]

Blessed 2023! Love 💕😇❤️🤩😍🥰🌹😘 you Dave!

[@leswalker2639]

Thank you Elder Bednar for these great words of wisdom and knowledge. Want to thank all of those who made all this possible, even behind the scenes. Thank you Elder Bednar for taking the time to share these things with us. Excellent

[@Ryanhelpmeunderstand]

There is so much that we do not know, because if we knew it, we could not comprehend it. I always think to myself, “why is God so unfair to those who do not believe? Many of these people who refuse to believe were raised that way by their parents, they were taught to do so”. So why does God punish them for the sins of their parents, and their parents parents? That is not fair. But, in 2 Nephi, it talks about our first estate (pre mortal existence) and those who were faithful THERE will be added upon HERE, in this second estate. That scripture brought great comfort and answered my pained soul for those who do not join the Church (given the. Opportunity). So many people refused to utilize and advance their faith in the pre mortal existence, therefore, that is the amount of strength manifesting here in this estate, which they mustered in the previous estate. Hopefully this helped someone understand a little better, the questions that I had. God is just.

[@tsmithson1]

No, that does not help at all, it only further confuses the matter.

[@AlejandroMadrid-tn1gp]

What a deeply important talk.

[@devarskinnee8760]

For the lord hath redeemed his servant Jacob amen .

[@gs17]

Outstanding! Watched it twice already!!!

[@cherylduarte4399]

We are children of the last days! Look what the Lord had Israel do in the desert! But, we are it, of course it's going to be difficult. Stop thinking and listening to evil, and pray with your whole soul to the Lord and ask questions. It takes work! The last day takes work! How are we going to make it without going to the temple, without ordinances, and the General Authority!? It will be so bad and intense, we must devolope our relationship with God to make it, have hope and believe in the Prophet! Keep praying and believing do what is right, that we may be blessed often!

[@MarleeCraig]

These short presentations are so good ❤️

[@josevasquez-ju8rb]

children families covenant all zion work ...will be lost just because of innorant man. in jesus name amen. to keep the power and go to heaven in his desk ...in jesus name amen.

[@6508007]

Thank you for posting this !!!

[@honeybabiekawaii5597]

Elder Bednar will be a prophet of God leading the church someday. I just know this.

[@erikjames5744]

And then he will send the money of the members to build the mosques

[@GrantRTanner]

He's already a prophet...just not THE prophet. But I get what you mean 😉

[@stonetexdesign]

Korihor. What an example of so many of the those who are being deceived by the cunning plan of the world

[@zon3665]

There's a great book by an LDS author that shows that there's perfect harmony between the prophetic statements concerning the garden of Eden being in Missouri and the Old Testament account concerning the garden of Eden. It's called Canaan, Babylon, and Egypt A Comparative Theological Analysis on Creation sold by Eborn Books.

[@ImFineTx]

The Bible is God’s word and the only source of truth. Follow Jesus not Joseph since “no man comes to the Father but through me”. I pray for our Mormon friends.

[@TheGreatDadoo]

Well, with that logic then I'd have to say, Follow Jesus and not Moses or Peter or John! All we need now is the Book of Jesus in the NT! Failing that I guess you'd better just throw your bible away, hu?

[@billcarlson852]

Teach me to walk in the LIGHT

[@darlenepedersen4145]

Looking at a future Prophet.

[@TheFauxmaster]

I don’t think there is time for him to become one-

[@BenMcrea61]

They only have to live long enough to become the Senior Apostle. Lots of great Apostles never live long enough but he is 7th most senior and is only 70 where the others are all much older - 80’s and 90’s.

[@LiveHappy76]

For these topics and others exploded in dozens of videos and based on biblical teachings (to better reach those who believe the Bible but do not currently believe the Book of Mormon) see David Alexander.

[@karenschmidt965]

It is unfortunate that Elder Bednar doesn’t seem to know or understand traditional orthodox Judeo-Christian teachings. Certainly not from an evangelical Christian perspective. It was a very good talk for what it was intended to be.

[@nathanbanks2935]

I know that God, and his Son Jesus Christ appeared to the prophet Joseph Smith, and that Joseph Smith was and is a true prophet! I also know that God knows you and loves you perfectly! He loves you so much, that he sent Christ to suffer, die, and overcome the sting of death for you!

[@CML95018]

❣️🙏

[@rconger24]

34:09 "...if all you know..."

[@lisajackson7603]

If you're reading the closed captions, know that the anti-Christ's name is Korihor who tried to lead away believers in Christ from the "foolish traditions of their fathers".

[@GrandMesaLodge]

The LDS church is tanking! Massive membership implosion…

[@David-Alexander-German]

where are those video clips from that Elder Bednar uses? I know they are not in the BoM videos, e.g. Corianton etc.

[@billcarlson852]

O say what is TRUE...

[@veilmail-io]

Why do all the big suites have their first initial as their middle name? Our next speaker who I'm sure can look for a bright future in front of him will be Jesus H. Christ.

[@josevasquez-ju8rb]

people or menbers that follow marvin are homosexuals thiose who follow jesus are real men. in jesus name amen.

[@jamesp7103]

Someone needs to tell Bednar that if he wants to try and attack biblical and historical Christian beliefs, he should do more than 5 minutes of research. He completely misrepresented what biblical Christians believe about the nature of God, the atonement, creation and the Fall. He’s attacking a straw man. Sloppy and self-serving work from a so called apostle of God. But when you own the mic and the audience reveres your every word I guess you can say whatever you want. Sad and disingenuous. But at least he acknowledges Mormonism teaches a different God, a different Jesus, and a different gospel than historical biblical Christianity. I appreciate him not trying to pretend that Mormonism is just some offshoot of Christianity like many do. It’s a whole different religion.

[@josephwhirlwind6086]

It is the only True Religion !!!

[@TheGreatDadoo]

Someone should tell James P that if he wants to criticize GA's he'd better give examples and logical reasons for that criticism instead of just making himself look like a pseudo-intellectual moron

[@erikjames5744]

I was waiting if He will recite the varces from the qoran . As he was telling how similar is the Islam with Mormonism

[@salvation4all313]

*David A. Bednar spoke for **37:45** and did not quote the Bible one time. This is totally unacceptable. The Bible is the Word of God and any church that ignores it is a false church.*

[@andreatimmers1720]

They all talk with a mouth of peanut butter. No water i guess. All about Smith again.

[@DancingQueenie]

Bednar’s goal here is to hypnotize the audience with his droning on and on.

[@misfyresalot]

You are psychic? You know his goals? 🤔

[@DancingQueenie]

@@misfyresalot Yes.

[@misfyresalot]

@@DancingQueenie 🤣

[@MarioMaster305]

Love his clear talks

[@MarioMaster305]

Can’t help you have ADHD

[@curtisgeiger9134]

My personal challenge is not the eternal truths that I see but the hundreds of historical, geographic and scientific errors in the BOOK OF MORMON. There are so many that I can no longer attend LDS classes to be told of how I should live my life based on the fictional characters in this Book. This does not mean that I do not believe in God or Jesus. When in Sunday School classes or when Church members visit my home I try to address these issues, members burst into tears or put their hands over their ears and run. I do not want to torment them with my questions so I do not attend.

[@raphaelmordo3022]

What are some of those issues you’re referring to?

[@DancingQueenie]

@@raphaelmordo3022 you can start with anachronisms. I studied pre-Colombian America and learned that before European colonization, there were no sheep, pig, oxen, elephants or horses anywhere in all the Americas. There were no coins, no silk, no honeybees. There were no WHEELS, much less wagons and chariots. No “fine steel”. I tried for a long time to reconcile all those things being included in the BofM. There’s no mention of what Natives actually ate: squash, potatoes and beans. Nothing about their trade routes that extended from Canada to Peru and sea to sea. Their various languages, cultures, belief systems. Then you have these faithful Jewish people who take the Torah (that Nephi murdered a drunk man to get) that contained Jewish law and tradition but by the time they get to America they’re Christian (600 years before the birth of Christ), and in absolutely no way observe Judaic law. Nothing. No kosher, no Saturday sabbath, no ritual baths, etc etc. Read the Book of Ether sometime and imagine it. 30 people in wood submarines the length of a tree. They take their flocks and herds, fowl in cages, swarms of bees! Food and water for all of them for a YEAR. So all this getting tumbled over and under the ocean, people, animals, cages, water barrels and excrement slammed against THE WALLS FOR A YEAR. What did the people eat? No fire. It’s just ridiculous. Faith can take you just so far then your god given common sense has to kick in. As far as this sad little farm boy writing it. HOW could he do it? How did Dickens do it? Shakespeare? Tolstoy? Stephen King? Balzac? They did it and sooo much better.

[@2ba-lamanite351]

My dear brother Geiger. I am not sure what really brought you to this point in your life. Nut, I doubt it is as you say some historical, geographic and scientific errors in the Book of Mormon. I love the Book of Mormon, I love the fact that my ancestors lived in this Continent long before Christopher Columbus discovered America. I am a devout student of all that is related to the rich History of the Indigenous People of the Americas. I have devoted many hours to the study of the majority of tribes from North, Central and South America. And the more I study these things, the more my testimony grows about the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon (So unless you have dedicated thousands of hours studying the history, geography, science, legends, cultures, knowledge, rise and falls of empires and tribes etc etc then I will say your knowledge is limited. You say that there are errors in these items you mentioned ? The only thing I can say my brother is that you have sought to find error ! It is like those that say that science, history and geography prove that there is no God and that Christ was just a man ! But, you and I know that their knowledge is flawed, because there is a God and Christ is our Savior !

[@rachael780]

I would look into the work of Royal Skousen, who has devoted his life to studying the changes in the BoM and also the many versions of it. I'm sure he can answer any questions you might have.

[@curtisgeiger9134]

There were no sheep thus no shepherds. There was no silk as because silk requires silk works. There was no wine so Christ could not request wine be brought to him to demonstrate the Sacrament with wine. There were no fruit trees. Only berries were in the America's before fruit trees were brought from Europe. There are so many references that I cannot name them all. What There was were millions of Buffalo. Huge Bears, animals that would have mesmerized people from the middle east. No mention of them.

[@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843]

False prophet.

[@rconger24]

Why don't you decide who is true or false by following what Jesus said? 15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matthew 7: 15-20 EDIT: And "these men" are true Apostles of The Lord Jesus Christ. You know they believe in what they are doing: 1) The have the best pool of resumes youll find in the world, true experts in so many various fields. You don't get a resume like that by being a liar. The were never "professional preachers". That would be priestcraft and The Book of Mormon preaches against priestcraft. 2) They made far more in their respective careers than they get from their ecclesiastical stipend allowances. If they stayed as they were, they would own more and bigger homes and retire in style and leisure globetrotting the world on expensive sightseeing trips. They have no fancy parsonages. Instead they work 70+ hours per week seeing mostly the inside of airliners and church buildings. Only the Spirit of The Lord and the smiles of The Saints sustains them. President Russell M Nelson is 99 years in September and is still leading The Church in vitality. (He was a pioneer in open-heart-surgery inventing among the original heart-lung machines). 99 is the longest living religious leader in history longer tgan Bikky Graham or any Pope even since Joshua in The Old Testament ! Record Pope's have lived a decade less and were total dottards in utter decreptitude but this man is still going! I challenge you to James 1:5 pray and find out if this man is a Prophet of God! And then after giving up the above career and abundant retirement, do you think "these men" are going to start flying all over the world to start lying to people? NOT A CHANCE !

[@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843]

@@rconger24 Sounds Good. Brigham Young and Joseph Smith were pathological liars who married little children and stole married women from their husbands. Brigham Young stole a wife and mother of an LDS man he sent on missions, impregnated her, and then cast her aside as a boring side wife he gave no attention after destroying the nuclear family. (Zina Diantha Huntington) Joseph Smith contradicts himself and the Bible non-stop, and in third Nephi Joseph Smith wrote Jesus going and murdering a whole bunch of men, women, and children, and even unborn babies. Joseph Smith was a treasure digger who lied and said he could see underground with a rock, and he scammed people out of money. He was even arrested for this. Brigham married 15 yer old Clarissa decker and had babies with her. Joseph Smith married 14 year old Helen Mar Kimble. Both were pathological liars and murderers and racists.

[@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843]

@@rconger24 Even the modern day charity work was so incredibly small that it's obvious these men are serving Mammon and not God.

[@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843]

@@rconger24 Let's not forget that in Joseph Smith's King Follett Discourse, he claims that men can become Gods and that current mortal men are on the same path God was on to become a God. Yet in the Bible it says "Of other Gods, I know not any." When you are a God will you be able to make that claim? No you won't . And neither would God be able to make that claim if he started on the same path as you and ended up a God. The BOM and Mormon philosophy contradicts the Bible nonstop.

[@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843]

@@rconger24 Let's not forget Joseph Smith was caught having physical relations with Fanny Alger when she was a teenager and he was a full grown adult. This was years before his so-called "revelation" of polygamy being commanded by God.

[@SC-ie5bm]

He is a master at circular reasoning and inventing straw man arguments. His message is condescending to the women present (including his wife) yet they eat it up as the submissive, subservient “obedient” Mormon women that the Patriarchy requires them to be. I am a returned missionary and am appalled by David Bednar. How he became an apostle is beyond me. I guess being slick and smooth-talking is the only requirement these days.

[@douggardner460]

Sorry your so confused, I hope you figure things out in your mind before it's too late, stop listening to Satan's deceptions and sincerely ask God.

[@SC-ie5bm]

@@douggardner460 I would never take advice from somebody that doesn’t know how to spell “you’re” vs. “your.” If you’re not smart enough to spell basic English words, don’t give advice to people who do know how to spell.

[@douggardner460]

@@SC-ie5bm I'm really sorry you are so ignorant.

[@tsmithson1]

@@douggardner460 Doug, Bednar is the one who is confused and confusing everyone else. He doesn't even use the arguments Korihor is making or the responses Alma offers correctly. This whole talk is a David Copperfield stunt to draw attention away from things that are "real problems" for the Church but they won't address.

[@AlbertJLouie]

Which Jesus are you talking about? When you seek answers from the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible, God can't help you because you have turned your back on Him. Therefore this leaves the door open for Satan (II Corinthians 11:14-15) to step into your life with a false christ or prophet showing you signs and wonders to lead you away from the real Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity. God Himself warns us about this in MATTHEW 24:23-24 "Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect..." Mormons teach and believe that their jesus is the brother of Satan, which contradicts what God says in His Bible that Jesus is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity. So Mormons, which Jesus do you believe in? A). Your jesus of the Book of Mormon who is the brother of Satan. OR B). The Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.

[@drc5378]

President Nelson teaches that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the New Testament church restored to earth. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing that Jesus and Satan are brothers. This teaching comes from the Bible in Isaiah 14:12 and Luke 10:18, which clearly speaks of satan first being the morning star who fell from heaven. Both Jesus and satan have been called, in the Bible, as the morning star. The difference is Jesus is everything divine being from eternity to eternity without a beginning nor an end. Satan fell from heaven and forfeited his status in heaven because he chose evil. Unfortunately, evangelicals believe God to be capable and so sinister that He created satan. No where in the Bible is that idea taught. Based on the Bible, which is more consistent? Both Jesus and Lucifer, both called the morning star in the Bible, had some sort of a relation to the other, yet lucifer rebelled, fell from heaven, and because of his choice became the devil … or God, being filled with love and mercy, created evil made manifest in satan himself? Is there biblical support for the idea that an all-righteous God, who can do no evil and would do no evil, created a being in satan who can do nothing good and is entirely evil? That is the belief that is complete heresy. It is pure irony that you claim to follow the Bible and, I suspect you, presumably an evangelical, believe something about the creation of satan that is not biblical and yet you ridicule an idea about the relation between Jesus and lucifer, which is grounded in the Bible, ignorantly and erroneously attributing the doctrine to the Book of Mormon.

[@AlbertJLouie]

@@drc5378 Why follow the false teachings of so called President Nelson and the Book of Mormon when you can have have "God Himself" lead and direct you.... God doesn't need any new Testament. Let's hear what God Himself says to you in MATTHEW 16:18 "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it..." There you are, God Himself telling you that His church doesn't need another Testament or restoration. Because he has already built it on a rock so the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. Mormons teach and believe that the angel Moroni came down from heaven and gave Joseph Smith the Book of Mormon. Let's hear what God Himself says about that in GALATIANS 1: 6-9 "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who CALLED you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed..." There you are again, God Himself telling you that He did not send any angel from heaven to Joseph Smith. You are following blindly on the words of *one man* Joseph Smith and trusting him with your eternity (heaven or hell). The Bible verses doesn't teach that Jesus and Satan are brothers, zip, zero, NaDa. And that type of loose and misguided interpretation is why the Mormon church isn't considered Christian. By-the-way, you didn't answer my question I asked you earlier. The Book of Mormon is written in so called "reformed Egyptian" language. Where is the linguistic evidence for this language? To this day there isn't any shred of linguistic evidence for "reformed Egyptian" that makes up the Book of Mormon. If no evidence, then the whole Mormon theology is considered by Biblical definition as false doctrine.

[@jodie672]

I know the Book of Mormon is true.

[@AlbertJLouie]

@@jodie672 Mormons teach that the angel Moroni came down from heaven and gave Joseph Smith the Book of Mormon. Let's hear what God Himself says about that in GALATIANS 1:6-9 "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who CALLED you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed..." There you are...God Himself telling you that He did not send any angel from heaven to Joseph Smith. Therefore the Book of Mormon is considered by God Himself as false doctrine taught by false prophets.

[@erikjames5744]

Yes . One day they teach about the Lord Jesus Christ. Next day they say about Mohamed and Islam 😉.

[@curtisgeiger9134]

There was no Nephi and you know it. Shame!

[@DancingQueenie]

If Elder Bednar thinks people are leaving the church by the THOUSANDS is because they doubt Jesus, he’s kiddin himself. How about addressing the real issues rather than this circular confusion?

[@misfyresalot]

It's prophecies that MANY will leave. It's ok! This doesn't diminish the truth.

[@brianblack7116]

I’ve witnessed of those family, members, and neighbors who have left the Church of Jesus Christ that they also leave faith in Jesus Christ altogether. Not all, but almost every one. Of course, some can join other Christian denominations but it is rare in my experience.

[@tsmithson1]

@@brianblack7116 And that is the bigger shame. The fact that they are leaving God as well as the church, to me, suggests that we have seriously conflated the purpose of the Church with God that there is no difference. They are tethered together so tightly that my relationship with the Church is the same as my relationship with God. Just as the Lord said "Man was not made for the Sabbath, the Sabbath was made for man", so also, Man was not made for the Church, the Church was made for man. The church has the power to be a vital vessel to facilitate God in our individual lives, but instead it has become just another "In Group".

[@brianblack7116]

@@tsmithson1 That is a very interesting insight and it is an interesting phenomenon to see people leave God altogether. Sometimes people just don't want to live the principles of religion. Others have their entire faith foundation shattered when they lose faith in the Church of Jesus Christ, and they experience a sort of existential crisis. The reasons go on and on. President Oaks articulated the concept well in a talk when he spoke of our doctrine that all mankind will be saved in a degree of glory, but that those who reach the highest degree of glory must follow a straight and narrow path. People, including members of His church, sometimes forget that it is not an all-or-nothing proposition (heaven or hell) and that people's glory will vary as the stars of the sky. Therefore someone who does not follow the straight and narrow, covenant path do not need to leave God altogether. Satan would have people believe they are not worthy or that God must not exist if one has doubts or questions about his church on the earth. He uses this tactic with great effectiveness.

[@maryguild3081]

What are the real issues? You never define them Please elucidate So we can have a meaningful discussion without contention

[@dirtyjohnson89]

You did elder bednar wrong with that thumbnail

[@segaboy70bf]

U don’t even know what a Nobel prize means to algebra becoz of schizophrenia I have schizophrenia paranoia becoz it means I cannot escape my body from the Holly ghost or the sheep