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Splinter Twin & Faithless Looting Are Unbanned - Modern Is Saved! | December 16, 2024 B&R Discussion

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ThatMillGuy

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@Marcosomos
@Marcosomos 3 күн бұрын
What the format needs is no more horizons sets
@drbeetheemighty
@drbeetheemighty 3 күн бұрын
Will they do it.... probably not.😢
@josephroehl9105
@josephroehl9105 3 күн бұрын
@@Marcosomos I love the dynamic of a meta game shift once every few years it’s what separates modern from pioneer, and it allows us more cool options to build decks around
@Rpanda25
@Rpanda25 3 күн бұрын
We need to go back to Modern Masters. We don't need direct to modern cards. Reprint old cards so they can get some love
@CarterPSN
@CarterPSN 3 күн бұрын
​@@drbeetheemighty if the players stop buying MH sets they will stop making them. Unfortunately wotc print broken cards in MH sets so to stay competitive players have to invest in the cards.
@TheeGoodSir
@TheeGoodSir 3 күн бұрын
i like alot of the cards from modern horizon sets sadly there are usually around 10 cards or so that are just too much for the format and warp the format around them, if they couldve not put these in to begin with they would be wonderful sets
@ryanhebertson7457
@ryanhebertson7457 3 күн бұрын
See y’all in 3 months when they ban another energy card 😂
@UrAvgBasshead
@UrAvgBasshead 3 күн бұрын
It’s not even in the update meta.
@danw.1250
@danw.1250 3 күн бұрын
Yup. This will do next to nothing.
@posisteve
@posisteve 2 күн бұрын
play plague engineer
@aqswd6825
@aqswd6825 3 күн бұрын
bruh i was in Elementary school when twin was banned. I can almost vote now
@diggitydarren
@diggitydarren 3 күн бұрын
Hollow One my beloved
@Dstinct
@Dstinct 3 күн бұрын
mox opal is double what the ring was, so deck prices have gone up haha.
@Justadeathgod
@Justadeathgod 3 күн бұрын
It was slumbering in my binder, Lantern control and Modern Cheeri0s rejoice!!!
@AncientHydraGaming
@AncientHydraGaming 3 күн бұрын
Opal doesn't go in 60% of decks.
@joemariani115
@joemariani115 3 күн бұрын
Orcish Bowmasters is a perfectly fair magic card and nothing will change my mind. I am glad it is in the format because it is reasonable on its own and helps counter certain strategies from going bananas. I said it before ill say it again: if you cant deal with a 1/1, theres something wrong with your deck building
@DylanHunter64
@DylanHunter64 3 күн бұрын
@@joemariani115 The problem is that the best way to deal with a 1/1 is literally Bowmasters lol and that makes all the other X/1s shitty
@amamam95
@amamam95 3 күн бұрын
A single card that goes into the main deck that obliterared humans, elves and merfolk
@ronaldrockmann2032
@ronaldrockmann2032 3 күн бұрын
Another problem is that once you can deal with it the damage is already done, e.g. when used in response to you drawing cards and not having an istant answer up. In its core its a fair card, just insanely pushed, like most of the horizons stuff
@ericbourgeois7727
@ericbourgeois7727 3 күн бұрын
Bowmasters as never been a threat to Merfolk
@C42ST3N
@C42ST3N 3 күн бұрын
​@@amamam95 humans and elves were not in the meta before bowmaster.
@dashkatae
@dashkatae 3 күн бұрын
What makes me nervous about Splinter Twin coming back into the format is that it gains access to a few new card that it didn't have in the past, namely Vexing Bauble and Teferi, Time Raveler. All those "free" ways to shut down Twin mean nothing when you can never cast your answer. It'll be interesting to see what counter plays will arise against twin but twin looks positioned really well right now.
@WilliamAcosta-fs8ct
@WilliamAcosta-fs8ct 3 күн бұрын
Boseiju in response.
@dashkatae
@dashkatae 3 күн бұрын
@@WilliamAcosta-fs8ct You have to have the mana up to use it and that is one of the big things about twin that makes it scary, they cast their three drop at the end of your turn and tap one of your lands before they untap and cast twin for the win, meaning you have to have three mana sources untapped otherwise you're going to be a mana short from playing Boseiju.
@LakeVermilionDreams
@LakeVermilionDreams 3 күн бұрын
Twin is fine. Opal is iffy. But I applaud the bravery in these unbans!!
@Justadeathgod
@Justadeathgod 3 күн бұрын
Twins old adversary Lantern control is coming back, Opal is just what it needed!
@AZombieWizard
@AZombieWizard 3 күн бұрын
Inb4 Splinter Twin catches a ban due to Modern Horizons 4
@CarterPSN
@CarterPSN 3 күн бұрын
I bought a set of Twins around 4 years ago. Finally Dobby is free. ❤️
@VictorBenitez-k7v
@VictorBenitez-k7v 2 күн бұрын
HOT TAKE :: OUutside of Commander format i heard nothing but "OK's" from everyone --- no death threats to the bans and their employees commander should take note
@jasonkorf7700
@jasonkorf7700 3 күн бұрын
Who cares about Splinter Twin. Mox Opal is back on the menu and the One Ring has been casted into the fire.
@tashannoc
@tashannoc 3 күн бұрын
I pretty much only play casual formats (EDH & Limited) but have enjoyed listening to your videos as a way to learn more about other formats. Your passion for modern and pauper is a lot of fun. Thank you!
@cdude665
@cdude665 3 күн бұрын
Phoenix is back on the menu boys!
@seliphsnom2596
@seliphsnom2596 3 күн бұрын
I'm intrigued how you'd build Phoenix do you rakdos for buried alive? Or so you go standard izzet with a ton of cantrips and stuff to easily trigger your phoenix
@cdude665
@cdude665 3 күн бұрын
@@seliphsnom2596 izzet for sure.
@KidoBedo
@KidoBedo 3 күн бұрын
Nice. There might actually be 4 players at your LGS this week
@2rare2die26
@2rare2die26 3 күн бұрын
Unironically, haven't played or bought MTG since they banned twin in modern. Time to dust off the old 60 card and see where the new improvements are to be made. Super excited.
@scottganiere523
@scottganiere523 3 күн бұрын
Rakdos charm is gold now
@darkjak565
@darkjak565 3 күн бұрын
Faithless Looting, my beloved. Back at last.
@billlong4586
@billlong4586 3 күн бұрын
As a dredge degenerate..its already sleeved back up
@darkjak565
@darkjak565 3 күн бұрын
@billlong4586 I'm really, genuinely happy for all the dredge players haha. I'm wanting to try it out in Belcher myself as a turn one "might need one less mulligan" kind of option.
@billlong4586
@billlong4586 3 күн бұрын
@darkjak565 the mulls with dredge were much worse after looting was hit. Merchant of the vale, the adventure card that was half a looting was a mediocre replacement that you never used the creature half. If they gave us gaak back too, dredge would have been in it's prime again, 23 power turn 3 ready to swing while up 12 life from chills..ox of agonas was printed right before that and it was just NUTS. Looting is more of a graveyard based deck though, like Phoenix or dredge than a combo deck like belcher.
@darkjak565
@darkjak565 3 күн бұрын
@@billlong4586 I realize it's not the perfect fit for Belcher, but I'm homebrewing for a very lukewarm locals anyways, so it's not much of a biggie for me haha.
@alejoclosa7705
@alejoclosa7705 3 күн бұрын
i have an argument for Phlage being better than Uro: Uro isn't play in Timeless while Phlage does. i admit it's not a strong argument because Timeless is a weird format where Oko is unplayable, combo decks can win on turn 1 with dark ritual and somehow Boros Energy is still the most played deck
@DylanHunter64
@DylanHunter64 3 күн бұрын
@@alejoclosa7705 I think it's a great point, I think there's a couple of very valid reasons Phlage is better or at the very least, equally powerful
@C42ST3N
@C42ST3N 2 күн бұрын
@@DylanHunter64 Phlage is an aggressive spell. It removes a blocker or can go face. With arena of glory it provides 12 dmg in one attack, which is a lot of pressure and uro cant do it. In a control shell uro is for sure still a really powerful card but phlage suits different decks at the same level of power i think.
@CasualKing21
@CasualKing21 3 күн бұрын
I expected one more hit to Energy in Modern tbh, Ajani, Goblin Bombardment, Guide of Souls, Ocelot Pride, Static Prison
@ryanhebertson7457
@ryanhebertson7457 3 күн бұрын
Guide should have taken the hit imo
@der_ast3275
@der_ast3275 3 күн бұрын
We could have a hogack Situation where they first ban a card to weaken the deck (Raptor and bridge respectively) but eventually they have to ban the main card (Hogack / guide)
@josephroehl9105
@josephroehl9105 3 күн бұрын
Amped raptor giving broken 241’s is what made this deck so strong. This is a metal bat to both knees of Boros trust
@danw.1250
@danw.1250 3 күн бұрын
​@@ryanhebertson7457 yup, the Raptor ban does next to nothing.
@CasualKing21
@CasualKing21 3 күн бұрын
It's only a part of what made the deck strong, not the main reason. Guide into Ocelot Pride is crazy AF. Arena of Glory into Phlage is crazy. Ajani sac token to Goblin Bombardment is crazy.
@josefranciscodasilvaeolive674
@josefranciscodasilvaeolive674 3 күн бұрын
All the new possibilities: Hollow One Phoeni Reanimator Lantern Control Dredge Affinity This is single handedly the best MTG news I've heard in years. No hyperbole. I actually feel excited to play Modern again!!
@MarioJPC
@MarioJPC 3 күн бұрын
Wizards went at last to the volcano with the One Ring.
@L0stinExile
@L0stinExile 3 күн бұрын
So much of WotC's wording in the article feels as though they're mocking people like me who yearn for the days of old modern. Don't get me wrong, I'm unbelievably happy to see Twin return after all these years, but it genuinely feels like they're doing this as an act of desperation. I'll admit I haven't kept up with the scene in a while now, but it just does not seem like they wanted to make these unbans. The part that stands out the most to me is definitely "Did we make Modern a better place? Can we handle a wave of nostalgic and infamous cards to reenter Modern? Was there something we released that's making Modern less fun? Only time will tell, so let's get into it!" It just comes across as incredibly facetious and reads like the SpongeBob chicken meme. Maybe I'm just burnt on the design choices and decisions they've been making that have driven away me and my local community the past few years and taking what is genuinely light-hearted banter as a slight is a byproduct of that, but I digress. I agree that I can't see Twin in this new age being the tier 1 menace of yesterday, but I can definitely see it putting up enough results to at least have a presence if nothing else due to sheer popularity and love for the deck. I'd love to be wrong and see a world where it's a top performer though. Also excited to see what Looting brings back into the limelight.
@anannoyedpanda
@anannoyedpanda 3 күн бұрын
Splinter Sisters we are so BACK.
@markmahoney4089
@markmahoney4089 3 күн бұрын
Not even the gooners could mess up this unbanning for you! ;)
@DylanHunter64
@DylanHunter64 3 күн бұрын
I think it's also worth noting that Energy is probably still very good. I doubt you can justify running 4 Surgicals main, with 2 Extirpate, 4 Lantern, and 3 Ashioks in the sideboard, that's kind of insane ngl
@ecpracticesquad4674
@ecpracticesquad4674 3 күн бұрын
Wotc didn't actually fix what got Opal and Looting banned. I'm willing to be that at least one, if not both, will get banned, again, in the future. And you were doing so well until the “ban endurance” take. Endurance is one of the reasons why looting got unbanned. It checks looting style decks, specifically. Mill just needs to hold the L on this one.
@treeninja8924
@treeninja8924 3 күн бұрын
12:00 I don’t like this precedent. “We only banned this card because it was really good in the best deck - despite it being used everywhere” If this is a regular occurrence from now on, it implies cards only get banned if the BEST decks use them, not if it’s grossly ubiquitous in the format. (I don’t know, this is just how I’m seeing this ban) It’s like if everyone was jumping a fence, until Timmy did a backflip and now nobody’s allowed to jump the fence
@chadmrrsn
@chadmrrsn 3 күн бұрын
I'm intrigued to see how Eye-Hop adapts to the new meta
@mongorific
@mongorific 3 күн бұрын
my decks throughout my modern tenure have been Dredge and Mill. Eating well
@paulalyerly5585
@paulalyerly5585 3 күн бұрын
as a mill player myself, im excited to see more ways to turn on my archive traps being unbanned
@tspin5642
@tspin5642 3 күн бұрын
Ok so they unbanned green sun a staple in legacy elves, so we can now tutor for craterhoof in modern elves. It’s a like they want modern elves to be like legacy elves as an all in combo deck.
@CallMeFako
@CallMeFako 3 күн бұрын
Call me crazy but TOR sorta was the policeman of the format, and also benefited many strategies which simply cannot exist without it. It was problematic on its own, but I honestly think it did more good than harm to the format by slowing it down. The format will probably go back to how it was pre-LOTR, which basically means that games will be decided on T2, based on who has the bigger thread in the first 2 turns or whether you have an efficient/effective answer to that threat, which IMO makes the format more shallow and less interesting
@alxmagro
@alxmagro 3 күн бұрын
I’m only concerned about looting. Graveyard strategies responses are not common answers in the main outside of Black/Green colors. In fact, these two colors are much better at dealing with the grave than the other three by far.
@muditjohar5323
@muditjohar5323 3 күн бұрын
Green sun zenith is going I be huge for amulet titan which is like the 3rd best deck pre ban
@hunterbowman98
@hunterbowman98 2 күн бұрын
I just wish opal will get a serious reprint since it's now 150$ and could stay there.
@atcandotherthings4985
@atcandotherthings4985 3 күн бұрын
As a burn player I’m glad I didn’t buy amped raptor yet. I was debating to try it in my deck,
@ohcrapnotyou7323
@ohcrapnotyou7323 2 күн бұрын
What are the odds that Mox Opal is reprinted in Feb and that is why they unbanned it?
@thegrimmone6111
@thegrimmone6111 3 күн бұрын
Been waiting for this to come out
@DylanHunter64
@DylanHunter64 3 күн бұрын
Reasons Phlage is AT LEAST as good as Uro but probably better: 1/ Uro dies to Phlage off of Arena 2/ They both gain 3, but Phlage is also a bolt, a card played in 25% of decks. And only one deck plays Explore, Amulet Titan, probably the only deck that actively wants Uro 3/ Maybe with GSZ, Uro would be too good in Amulet, but red decks that play Phlage are also getting Faithless Looting, a card that is likely to see more play. 4/ Pitching to Solitude is generally better than pitching to Endurance. I know Uro was big and scary like 3 years ago, but I don't think it ever saw play rates like Phlage does now
@thatmtgnerd
@thatmtgnerd 3 күн бұрын
Decks would be born if uro was allowed. There a reason he sees so much play in legacy
@DylanHunter64
@DylanHunter64 3 күн бұрын
@thatmtgnerd Uro isn't even in the top 50 most played creatures in Legacy, what are you talking about?
@DerpHerper
@DerpHerper 3 күн бұрын
Look guys I know Uro was literally defining decks in the past, but people play Phlage. So like, Phlage is better.
@DylanHunter64
@DylanHunter64 3 күн бұрын
@@DerpHerper Phlage is defining decks now, in decks that are arguably more dominant than Uro was. You realize that the shell that was the most dominant Uro deck effectively doesn't exist anymore, right? No more Omnath, Mystic Sanctuary, no Field of the Dead, no Yorion. You can just admit you haven't actually thought about the comparison or how the format has changed
@C42ST3N
@C42ST3N 2 күн бұрын
@@DerpHerper in time less you can play both and uro sees less play
@larsegholmfischmann6594
@larsegholmfischmann6594 3 күн бұрын
With Twin unbanned, it might be time to put Batwing Brume into my Esper Control SB again 🙂 .. and maybe also Mill if we splash for white?
@storeblaa
@storeblaa 2 күн бұрын
Imagine they keep making announcements like these for the schedules bnrs since they are bigger gaps... and this leads them into making modern masters again for the reprints of old staples now legal win win Im going to be chilling with Looting in creativity haha Honestly, literally everyone I've seen or talked with all think different cards is "the problem" can we just not.. just for now just enjoy the cards banned and unbanned instead of instantly start thinking of what is the issue, cause it is simply just impossible to know, it will take weeks before a meta start forming so lets just enjoy this crazy brewing moment for modern
@sordieo
@sordieo 3 күн бұрын
Bow master reprint in a normal set would be great
@shaqnunes
@shaqnunes 3 күн бұрын
They should unban ragavan in legacy
@TheTatekei
@TheTatekei 3 күн бұрын
MOX OPAL WAS BANNED FOR NO REASON. Thats what it being unbanned says to me. I was always against mox opal going anyways, all my favorite decks are artifact decks. Honestly if MO was banned, primeval titan shouldve went too. 😂
@Justadeathgod
@Justadeathgod 3 күн бұрын
What decks were you playing? I too am eager to play with Mox Opal again too!!!
@jeremiahchamberlain4179
@jeremiahchamberlain4179 3 күн бұрын
The one ring is fine in edh, no one reasonable is crying about it
@UrAvgBasshead
@UrAvgBasshead 3 күн бұрын
There are a lot us who are pissed about it. Just more ways Wtc screwed us over
@jeremiahchamberlain4179
@jeremiahchamberlain4179 3 күн бұрын
@@UrAvgBasshead i did say no one reasonable, you saw that word right. It is perfectly fine in edh. The point of edh is playing fun broken cards that is any eternal format.
@ivonneiglesias2596
@ivonneiglesias2596 3 күн бұрын
According to Comander people, they should ban the one ring because "it goes in all decks" lmao, Edh's see a strong card and they already want to ban it.
@jeremiahchamberlain4179
@jeremiahchamberlain4179 3 күн бұрын
@ivonneiglesias2596 no one i watch that makes content or the people i know all over the country are saying ban the card, i am sure the same circles of cry babies that want everything banned are saying ban it, but those people want to ban anything and everything so wbo cares about their tired opinions.
@AlexRose-qd3or
@AlexRose-qd3or 3 күн бұрын
Because you can’t run multiple copies of it, and eventually, the burden counters will kill you unless you have a way to circumvent the damage
@falkranduhm10
@falkranduhm10 3 күн бұрын
Splinter twin was not baned for being too good. It was banned because it made everything unplayable that dared to tap out.
@andrelanca2700
@andrelanca2700 3 күн бұрын
Nice, they just rotated the format again 6 months later. This ban will push all "fair" decks away. They unbanned 2 combo enablers, 1 broken gy enabler and 1 fast mana. I thought this wasn't the modern they were looking for. But let's see how this goes...
@devonishmael8721
@devonishmael8721 3 күн бұрын
It feels like I woke up after election night all over again
@huddleaw
@huddleaw 3 күн бұрын
Yooooooo Phoenix is back baby!!!
@ToadboyMTG
@ToadboyMTG 3 күн бұрын
Modern is gonna be very unhealthy from this. Energy stays on top along with 🐸 frog decks and graveyard decks
@jdcband7071
@jdcband7071 3 күн бұрын
I think bowmasters and endurance is fine. I don't think looting is fine tho
@posisteve
@posisteve 2 күн бұрын
HAMMERTIME a turn faster w mox opal
@qn631
@qn631 3 күн бұрын
Mill is just dead in modern now right?
@ThatMillGuyShaf
@ThatMillGuyShaf 3 күн бұрын
How???
@qn631
@qn631 3 күн бұрын
@@ThatMillGuyShaf please don’t take that as like a definitive statement. These are just my like very casual thoughts. I would think that the modern game is just too fast for me now. But maybe I’m very wrong.
@C42ST3N
@C42ST3N 3 күн бұрын
Non of those bans made mill worse
@zazzaboo4955
@zazzaboo4955 3 күн бұрын
Easy win for EVERYONE in the modern scene would be to revert to the old ways it was done. Rename Modern Horizons to Commander Horizons or something like that, make every card printed in Modern Masters, Lord of the Rings, and Assassin's Creed not legal in Modern, and start selling Modern Masters again with new funky arts and reprints of the most expensive and desired cards in the format. WoTC sells double product, the Modern players come out of the woodwork and fill LGS's again, and the format is saved.
@TheGirthiestSausage
@TheGirthiestSausage 3 күн бұрын
We gonna have another banning announcement 2 months from now putting faithless looting back on 😂
@ZiskaR-m6o
@ZiskaR-m6o 3 күн бұрын
I have my mox opal for edh and legacy
@Snamify
@Snamify 3 күн бұрын
Birthing Pod unban!
@deathspawn54
@deathspawn54 3 күн бұрын
I'm playing twin
@MarioEstrada-o2z
@MarioEstrada-o2z 3 күн бұрын
I wish I could play twin but not ATM. But I'm super hyped to see the deck be played
@AmbiguousGoop
@AmbiguousGoop 3 күн бұрын
Please let my lgs finally fire off modern events. I’m so tired of playing EDH
@AncientHydraGaming
@AncientHydraGaming 3 күн бұрын
Unban Cloudpost!
@posisteve
@posisteve 2 күн бұрын
mox opal a mistake. t1 trinisphere get rekt
@HandMadeSpider
@HandMadeSpider 3 күн бұрын
I like your content
@bastokrepublic
@bastokrepublic 3 күн бұрын
Unban Tibalts Trickery in Explorer. They keep pretending this discrepancy between Pioneer and Explorer doesn’t exist.
@Darth_Man_X
@Darth_Man_X 3 күн бұрын
Pioneer need more bans
@cdude665
@cdude665 3 күн бұрын
Twin is going to be bad lol
@colinbrown1687
@colinbrown1687 3 күн бұрын
Look forward to solitude and force of negation wrecking the twins player that come back also the affinity players getting meltdown and wrath the sky's they will c9me back for a league and quit again😢
@Hapkins-le6xf
@Hapkins-le6xf 3 күн бұрын
Changes look good. People are already speculating that opal got unbanned so it can be a chase reprint in 2025.
@DylanHunter64
@DylanHunter64 3 күн бұрын
The unbans actually look fake, like some hair brained suggestion by some Modern Boomer, very interesting stuff
@scottganiere523
@scottganiere523 3 күн бұрын
You will still be crying about shit
@ThatMillGuyShaf
@ThatMillGuyShaf 3 күн бұрын
Nice, thank you for commenting for the algorithm
@UrAvgBasshead
@UrAvgBasshead 3 күн бұрын
Literally facts bro. It’s a never ending cycle.
@BenHallow
@BenHallow 3 күн бұрын
No modern is still a bad format
@The.Frumious.Bandersnatch
@The.Frumious.Bandersnatch 3 күн бұрын
CAWARDS SHOULD HAVE UNBANNED HOGAAK #BringBackTheGaak
@danw.1250
@danw.1250 3 күн бұрын
Looting is a colossal mistake. It will absolutely need to be rebanned. Energy is still far and away the best deck, Raptor alone does nothing.
@ivonneiglesias2596
@ivonneiglesias2596 3 күн бұрын
I see versions with winota, these weeks of testing will be hilarious
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