The Problem With The Unbans - Too Expensive & No Reprint Plans!? | December 16, 2024 B&R Discussion

[@CallMeFako]

Honestly, If I was WOTC I'd release "Secret Lair: Modern Unbans" in the next month, containing Mox Opal, GSZ, Twitter and Faithless Looting and charge the usual 40$ for it. Wizards, for once in my life I AM BEGGING YOU to be greedy enough to do this

[@canismajor1186]

If they do it won't be for 40 bucks. It'll be for 200 or more.

[@CallMeFako]

@canismajor1186 Usually SL drops are sold for ~40$, but debating this is sorta pointless since we don't know if WOTC is looking to do something like this

[@lukasdominic3430]

but it would take so so so long to arrive to your door step then WOTC will ban it again

[@Azeria]

If they coordinate bans and unbans with print runs people complain, if they don’t, people complain. If they care about the secondary market people complain, if they ignore it, people complain. We 100% need a Double Masters-style set in 2026, but this kind of thing is unfortunately just unavoidable if we don’t want Magic to be run like Konami runs YGO.

[@maximegaudreault4377]

That all depend on witch yugioh cause the way they run card accessibility in japan vs rest of the world are 2 different things

[@GonziDoesYT]

@@Azeria yugioh got exhausting when they started reprinting reprinted reprints.

[@Azeria]

@@maximegaudreault4377 yeah I meant more for the TCG but also the fact the TCG and OCG are separate and have different release schedules is part of the issue anyway.

[@ralphf.7611]

Unlikely, but how amazing would it be if mox opal got reprinted as a special guest for the upcoming "artifact set" (Aether Drift)

[@Shawn-f3x]

What a useless idea. Special Guest prints do nothing to lower a card’s price, and Sealed EV literally hitting 25% means buying Sealed is exactly equivalent to setting 7.50$ of every 10$ you spend on fire. This is exactly why I just dropped my will-buy-counterfeit price-point from 20$ to 15$. The Foundations/Jumpstart bootlegs will drop in the next day or two.

[@notapplicable6985]

​@@Shawn-f3xThey only lower a cards value when it's like a portal 3 kingdoms level of lack of reprints

[@Shawn-f3x]

@@notapplicable6985 Exactly. And as I constantly remind people, WotC somehow didn’t go broke in the era before Mythics turned EV to rotting cat feces. Cards are this hyper-expensive to create Reprint Equity that craps on collector and player alike. Nothing is allowed to appreciate to a point that’ll satisfy collectors, while still remaining too expensive for regular players. Everyone except Gougers of the Hasbro loses. Unless you steal the cards. And no, WotC won’t go bankrupt if the least prosperous 33% of MtG players buy 3$-3.50$ versions of singles they’d never buy anyways, from packs too expensive to gamble badly on cracking.

[@maximegaudreault4377]

@@Shawn-f3x it is just that in magic old card mean nothing if it is reprint where other card game the og will always have an higher starting price but only for that specific version of it and the new have around half of it value or less

[@colinhobbs7265]

Wotc needs to do more bonus sheets. Maybe not 3 of them like OTJ, but stuff like Enchanting Tales was really good. I'd love for Mox Opal to be a mythic rare in a possible Aetherdrift bonus sheet but the turn around is obviously way to fast.

[@GamerFlair]

I doubt they would... but they could Secret Lair them. I also strongly suspect Opal will end up getting banned again which is going to be an absolutely shitshow.

[@vaazon]

Mythics harm the formats because local attendance could be higher if all those cards had better availability thanks to rare slot. Mythics should only be a special borderless version of cards in rare slots. Period. I was about to try Modern because I have most elf cards for it. I was only missing Green Sun's Zenith. 10 EUR for a single card already put me on the fence but I was willing to buy a playset. Now the playset is worth 140-150 EUR. The system is broken. How can I explore other formats if playing current formats is already heavy on the money and formats such as modern seems aimed only at the IT guys or something. Regular Joe like me cannot justify buying 4 cards for this price.

[@posisteve]

also could demote mox opal to rare and print it to oblivion

[@vaazon]

all mythic "game pieces" should be available in rare slot to make cards affordable for numerous players. Stock market and collectors have their collector alternative arts. Separate the game from the investment. Every non-rotating format would benefit from new players. Mythic rare slot could be a rare card but borderless foil to make chasing worthwhile

[@AaronOneal-e7h]

Tell me about it. GSZ went from like a 8-10 dollar card to like a 50 dollar card immediately.

[@BurtGjr]

Green Sun Zenith from an MCU set could just be Dr.Strange summoning all the various Spidermans from No Way Home. So Dr.Strange staring at 3 portals with 3 different spidermen emerging from them... Also reprints via secret lair drops seems like the most likely option. They put opal in one SL drop years ago and can do it again.

[@Asmodean1111]

I'd say green suns is a fair bit more powerful to Mox Opal, but in part due to the fact you can pull a stoney silence on legs. Plus, Titan decks have gotten quite silly, and how fast they pop off. Also if they had planned reprints before unbanning, people would see it as a way to cash in must have cards that can always be at risk for banning again.

[@imGrisky]

Do you really think they will not reprint mox opal in the next half year?

[@tylerstegman6846]

Modern horizons 4 could have anything as a reprint... even a boat.

[@posisteve]

upcoming sets could be printed but maybe each card is separate pile and packs aren't assembled until last second. could just drop a mountain of mox opals in next set available not final assembled yet

[@exdphoto]

Which is worth it? Mox opal playset or sealed M30 booster box?

[@khub5660]

Neither. The prices of Mox Opal will go down after the initial hype wears off

[@BigHit9922]

Neither

[@CokaShimoda]

Can you imagine by the time they get a chance to reprint mopal, it gets banned soon after 😅

[@jbs6614]

check this out: 1. Previews for Innistrad Remastered delayed 2. Special Guests are a thing now Profit.

[@MikeTheBFG]

They should add mox opal to a special spot in a standard booster so draftable but not standard legal.

[@legendarydragoon1462]

Price should never be a consideration when it comes to bans or unbans. They need to do what's best for the format

[@LarsIsReal]

Simple: "Secret Lair: Cards from the Banlist"

[@hominid012]

Spider man card reveal: Green Goblin's Zenith \Green Sun's Zenith/ That's how we get that reprint lol

[@BlazeWheeler]

I'm glad my Mox Opal cope was haaaaard and I kept my foil playset

[@tricksonafixed]

They need to reprint a lot of cards but also not fuck the player base by printing a $100+ card at mythic. There is no need to do that when this card has already had several reprints. Splinter Twin for goodness sake could be downshifted to an uncommon for crying out loud.

[@dracofire92]

Doesn't help paper play, but at least MTGO put out an all access pass for a short time to help with this issue.

[@ecpracticesquad4674]

Prices are ONLY justifiable as an argument for reprints, not bans. My issue with Opal is that, to me, it’s the most likely to get banned again. P.S. You could easily do a GSZ reprint in the MCU as an infinity stone.

[@khub5660]

A lot of people are complaining about the price of Mox Opal as if it's not going to see a reprint at some point AND that the prices are inflated right now because people are trying to get their copies ASAP. The price of Opal will go down because sellers will want to take advantage of the hype and start undercutting each other in a race to the bottom. Y'all are fixating too much on the short term. I agree that they need a reprint, and they will reprint it even without you yelling into the camera about it. There is too much money left on the table for them to ignore.

[@TheGirthiestSausage]

Splinter twin is the blood braid elf of unbans

[@JoshBagwell]

They could reprint Mox Opal in a "remastered" set. Same with Green Sun.

[@morarotorybread7044]

Honestly at this rate a constant print to demand secret lair drop with green suns mox opal, and splinter twin might be a good option if wotc will get off their ass and make it worth it to buy. Which we know ain't happening as secret lairs are always fomo

[@lomalindasmogcheck1]

Wait til the unbans are showed to be obsolete with modern magic design (mh3) powrcrep. All that hype and money will deflate, along with hopes and dreams. The Rudy Jr's will learn hard(ly).

[@MarioJPC]

I don't know Standard reprints, but as Special Guests or on a non legal set, I can see some of them reprinted. The cheapest, Faithles looting, it seems as coming back on Innistrad Remaster, doesn't it? By the way, there are GGx creature tutor AND reanimator as sorcery on Standard right now, it is more mana but it has seen play.

[@lavish8788]

I've been scooping up opals for years. Tbh, i wasn't expecting this. Good for value, ehhh idk for the format

[@LakeVermilionDreams]

Unbanned Secret Lair. Do it, cowards!!

[@Masanian]

Its probably too late, but these reprints could work in Final Fantasy as a special guest printing.

[@Keck282]

We are six months out from that release, so there could still be time to include them. Could also be a box topper for a bunch of different sets (Aetherdrift or Final Fantasy)

[@wynnfabrizio7637]

Green sun zenith can definitely be reprinted a hulk card with the green door lore

[@canismajor1186]

Texas promo version of Urza's saga?!?!

[@alchadylan4592]

Bonus Sheets is the cleanest answer

[@MrMariobigode]

Zenith into ouphe goes brrrrrrrrrr

[@VvVLuffyM2]

They won't reprint opal with it realistically getting banned within the year

[@littleoakstudio4254]

Not only do the costs of some unbanned cards create a barrier to entry in the format. but they also break it. modern is likely going to be mostly combo/ linear all winter now. and I think wizards reeeeally messed up. in a month or 2 youtubers will be making videos talking about how modern is once again sideboard lottery, and ships passing in the night. and in spring wizards will apologize and reban some cards. but the damage has already been done. and this game needs so much more bans than people realize to make it balanced again. then, to top it all off, people will be playing spongebob squarepants in thier modern decks, further putting a nail in the coffin to take it seriously as a competative format. eventually modern will just be removed from major events and be left alone as a meme format, to do broken things, and die with whatever fans are left. that is my prediction, R.I.P. modern.

[@Capie1]

Aetherdrift will bring back masterpieces imo that's where opal is

[@vorinklex5396]

Mox opal is such a cool card

[@alexnas9634]

Modern masters every 2 years REPRINTS ONLY! no new cards and every MM release has 2-3 high end theme decks to bring down prices to these cards

[@noahpickens857]

Mean if wotc keeps doing remastered sets we could get mirrodin remastered with green suns zenith and Mox opal

[@kenpachielric]

... mox opal at +$150... twin $20 n rising... shits insane... Into the spider-verse for green sun zenith? Tutor for a spider(man) They probably will never reprint these things they unbanned minus faithless n maybe twin...

[@williamnorris3755]

A new modern masters set.

[@ToadboyMTG]

Players are dumb. Several thousands of copies just flooded the market but they don't care

[@ruelzsantanaAoE]

Ban Mox Opal. Problem solved. My biggest issue with the ban list is the unbans and the color pie they are in. GSZ isn't good enough outside of Titan. But if you go on Twitch every content creators is playing a U or R deck. Simic can't be good? Orhzov? GBx as a whole is bad. They unbanned stuff to pigeon hold people to only play 2 kinds of colored decks. We aren't getting reprints on these cards, unfortunately

[@corpgiroro333]

Pigeonhole*

[@ToxicGamer-ui7fs]

He still doesn't stroke the beard 😂

[@vorpal120]

Wait, wait, wait.... so you are saying that ban/unban of The One Ring didn't lose a huge market value and simultaneously maintained/increased the integrity of the other cards while also allowing for more cards to be played strengthening the overall game play and secondary market? Win Win for MTG and investors... repairing all the issues with the last ban announcement. But.... players are groaning..... is that the paradox... can't please everyone all at once?

[@Shawn-f3x]

When you remove one 320$ price barrier to entry (Only after a bunch of people climbed over that barrier), only to replace it with a new 320$ price barrier, funny how people don’t get any happier. Personally, I don’t have a dog in the fight. I recently dropped my will-buy-counterfeit price-point to 15$ and up cards (Buying cheaper stuff at my LGS when available to support the play-space). Beaten both deck-checks I’ve been subjected to since late 2023, and it always gives me such a warm buzz to be getting over on Hasbro. It just sucks for the deluded players who erroneously believe they owe Hasbro something. Piracy is an effective counter to price gouging. The music industry proved it. If it gets too expensive, steal it until you devalue it enough the price comes down to re-court former customers. The value of others’ collections are not my concern. I only wish the rest of the sickness of late stage capitalism was so easily addressed.

[@maximegaudreault4377]

Wizard ban a artifact card because it can fit in any deck unban a artifact card that can also fit in any deck kind of stupid from them

[@tricksonafixed]

This is why I am starting to not care about Magic anymore. For ten years I’ve likely spent thousands of dollars on my only single hobby and it feels pointless. You can’t keep up with Modern. This is why cEDH/EDH are the best formats to invest into- at least your cards won’t become obsolete within a couple years.

[@pluglord]

Next summer new set MTG unbanned master!!!

[@jrs2003]

Look at the business trending 🤣

[@jrs2003]

I ment look at the business finance 🤣

[@tylerstegman6846]

Modern masters can easily reprint anything

[@cavejohnson4054]

"We have achieved our inflation target"

[@tricky5222]

I dont really care, magic is not a game for the less fortunate. Pay the toll or play something else

[@killertrex]

no reprints for unbanned cards.

[@robertlewis7856]

Your videos are literally the worst type of mtg content. All you ever have to say is “this should be BANNED”, “card is BUSTED”, omg the unbans are no good! I cannot stand your content my guy.

[@ThatMillGuyShaf]

I'm literally advocating for reprints while trying to get clicks, the algorithm won't push it otherwise, its like y'all don't want people to grow

[@dominicdziak7914]

He also looks at things from all different sides the good and the bad which is a lot better than playing to what you want to hear

[@Shawn-f3x]

Cards either have to be cheaper, or players are going to have to resort to counterfeits. Our guy here is advocating for the moral path. My turning every new player I can get my hands on onto bootlegs is your alternative. Choose.