Fender ’65 Deluxe Reverb Vs ’65 Princeton Reverb Guitar Amps? That Pedal Show

[@jackroberts399]

Dan looks like he's about to introduce us to a park that's been 65 million years in the making

[@Kennykoo65]

Spared no expense

[@twat75]

I wonder if perhaps you would be good enough to take a gas jeep, and bring back my telecaster.

[@harrysachs2274]

They got so excited that they could, they never stopped to think if they should. .....but obviously you definitely should own both of these amplification boxes.

[@SwirlyWhirlyXYZ]

Fender custom shop tele, carved from Jurassic amber, case covered in T-Rex leather.

[@kasakka]

@@Kennykoo65 Except saved some bucks on the cage holding cloned Marc Bolan of T.Rex...

[@RedoubtMan]

I've owned both... an original '64 Princeton, and a Deluxe from the first year of reissue, and absolutely loved what each did in their own way. An experiment you may wan to try, and one which I found extremely gratifying, is to plug each amp into different speaker cabinets. Try it and you'll find an even broader perspective of the tonal genius of the amps.

[@natepopodi4770]

I'm so glad to see a Princeton on the show again! A 68 Custom PR has been my main (only) amp for years. Perfect for low-volume at home and gets nice and squishy playing with drums or a pit orchestra.

[@Roomfulofgear]

Great show guys! Having owned both Fender reissue '65 Deluxe Reverb and '65 Princeton Reverb amplifiers, I was never truly satisfied with the base tone of either amp, even after swapping speakers and doing the bright cap mod for the DR. For what you pay for these amps, the rather basic build quality, and the persistent cabinet rattle were simply unforgivable issues. I found my grail Blackface amp in the Mesa Boogie Fillmore 50, and of course, I know you can buy 2 Deluxe Reverbs and a Princeton Reverb for that 1 M/B amp, but I think the Fillmore is where it's at for all the tones you're able to pull out of these Fender amps, minus the tremolo effect.

[@dachuk23]

I have a Fillmore as well I’m curious how you set it up thanks

[@Pstaines439]

This explains a little bit as to why I run my P90s Tele through a 5F1 champ and 2 cabs. 1 x 10" and 1 x 12". Glorious.

[@victorivo124]

The deluxe with the bass off is something else!!

[@mattgilbert7347]

Agreed!. So warm, and the Strat had the perfect midrange.

[@6119gretsch]

Two things in my rig that never change---a single pickup '59 Gretsch Tennessean with a TV Jones Magna'Tron through an original '65 BFDR. Speaker is non-original, modded for reverb on both channels and regrilled a few years ago. Volume on 4. The sound is biblical.

[@wrayven]

Well done demo. I'm from the States and have a owned a few of both of these amps. I would always go with a Deluxe Reverb because they're a more versatile amp. Being able to use the non-reverb channel is also advantageous. I get why most prefer the Princeton more though. Both reissues sound decent. They really sounded best together. My favorite of these type of these amps are the Vibrolux Reverb & Pro Reverb. The 6L6 power tube is the deal for the Fender Reverb amps. The Pro & Vibrolux are the sweet spot.

[@ThatPedalShow]

I’m with you, Mick here.

[@jacobbrown1690]

That’s why I got a deluxe vibrolux to go with my alnico deluxe reverb. They both have alnico Jensen. 12” and two tens on the deluxe vibrolux

[@davidkieltyka9]

My fav (and currently only) Princeton, an early ‘68 non-reverb version, really comes alive at ~7 on the volume. Treble at 6, bass at 3-3.5. It’s a quieter, less gainy amp than the reverb version due to one fewer 12AX7 stage in the preamp (not counting the reverb circuit). It still sounds really good dialed back to 5 too, which is how I use it with pedals, and at that setting makes a terrific home amp.

[@FuriousMess]

A month or so ago I received a replacement cabinet from MoJo Tone for my 76 Princeton. Slate gray with blue/white/silver grill, blue pilot light, added 14" tilt back legs and a 12" baffle for a Celestion G12-H 70th Anniversary. I'd put the speaker in the original cab and it sounded better (although it was a 10" cutout). When the new cab came in with a 12" baffle and made of wood rather than MDF it was a clincher. WHAT A DIFFERENCE! Been running my drives through the Princeton and modulation/time based effects through a '57 Custom Champ. Good Lord I've never gotten such a beautiful noise. My Princeton is non-verb and it stays clean to about 7 and just gets a tad into overdrive past that. I also keep the bass at 3 or below, treble at 5-7. Have several other amps to pair up for wet/dry/wet; 75 non-vibro Champ, VHT Special 6, Marshall Origin 5, Vox AC-10, Blackheart HD-15. Have a couple 40-50 watt amps but over the last decade or so I've been playing smaller amps.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Very cool! Cabs make all the diff! And speakers natch. Cheers!

[@ronchorivera]

0:04 question answered. Obvious answer, they have like 20 amps. No negativity intended, but imo you are disregarding an entire demographic of guitarists. Amp tones have their respective sounds at high volume but the same can be also said about low volume. I think you should demonstrate very low volume comparisons, ESPECIALLY when showing lower wattage amps. It is actually a very helpful experience!

[@FormerlyknownasT]

I was hoping to hear them at low volumes with pedals as well ...

[@zacksheidler]

I finally started plugging my champ into a 2-10 fencer cab, after twenty some years -now I can turn up the bass with out getting flaby

[@jefrolawson]

Jim Campilongo uses a single Princeton live. He uses a more efficient Celestion vintage 10" speaker. Sounds amazing.

[@davidharder7512]

I agree. The Princeton does not sound like a “little brother kind of thing” but rather it’s got it’s “own kind of thing” going. I don’t own either of these. But that’s about to change.

[@curtvernonmusic3981]

I’ve got a 12” tone tubby speaker in my ‘68 PRRI, and it doesn’t start breaking up till just after 7. And if I could turn bass to negative 3, the lows would probably still sound thick

[@MotorCentaur]

I have been wanting/looking for a Princeton Reverb for a long time to fill the hole from Champ, Deluxe, Twin lineup that I have had for a long time. Hearing the comparison, I don't think I would really like a PR that much, it is thin/shrill compared to the DR. I wouldn't complain if one fell in my lap for a great price. If I get another amp it will probably be a DR.

[@MrGuitarfreak132]

Congratulations now I want a Deluxe Reverb! What a glorious sound cranked.

[@ajitaw]

You can just feel the pure joy and bliss, so incredible... great video guys, love it!! And to just add to the top comment, when you're feeling your sound like this you just play better. It really showed.

[@ElectromaticG5120]

I REALLY would like you to this with the Princeton and Deluxe drip edge ‘68 reissue.

[@ericfarrell1625]

The Kingtone blues power into my Princeton is a glorious thing. The Alessandro SC64 speaker was a great upgrade as well.

[@pomod]

I bought a Deluxe Reverb a few years back after playing pretty much exclusively British voiced amps for 25 years and I love it. It's like the perfect club amp, sounds great anywhere on the dial but yeah comes alive around the halfway point. I can throw it in the back of taxi with one arm; I've a celestion in mine so the bottom end holds together a bit better. Great amps.

[@Skybluetoo]

Isn’t this guitar and gear world a strange thing. I’ve just bought a Blackstar HT20r head with the 2x12 vertical cab and I love it. Really love it. Don’t want anything else ……….and then I hear that Princeton! Argh!!!!!!!!!!

[@aidenmohrmann1850]

I felt that💯

[@goswo]

Dont listen to Morgans take on a Princeton than 😉

[@fewerowls6411]

The overdrive and delay pedal shows are your “greatest hits” but the view from The Owls’ nest is shows like this are like the “classic album track” that everyone forgot about and just blows your mind when you hear it again. Thank you x a lot. Full respect 🦉👍🦉.

[@thejeffersonlee]

I'd be interested in a Deluxe Reverb vs Hot Rod Deluxe, or even the Deville.

[@pd-kx4qw]

I looked at and played the hot rod a bunch before I ended up settling on the DR last year. The hot rod is an absolute beast, wouldn’t recommend it for home use lol but it’s def fun to play. The DR you can get away with playing at home without thinking your on the front at Stalingrad. I still want a hot rod though at some point in my life. It sounds ⚡️when you pair it with something halfway decent with humbuckers.

[@Austinomical]

@@pd-kx4qw why wouldn’t the hot rod work at home? Just lower the volume haha. It even has an FX loop for a volume pedal if needed

[@lastofthe4horsemen279]

They are not in the same class

[@corpse-in-orbit]

You know, Mick, hearing this 2 years later through really nice headphones and a really nice digital-to-analog audio converter - and having been in Vox World as of late with the Victory Copper - I'm surprised at how much the Princeton sounds like a more polished AC15 to me. It's got that fuller-frequency Fender thing, the bass especially, and when you crank it, it doesn't turn into an infinite series of glass panes being smashed over your head like a Vox can, but there's still a midrange focus and considerable silvery Voxy chime to it. (And I suppose the Princeton, as the Fender circuit that changed least from tweed to brown/blonde to black, would also probably be the closest to a Vox circuit-wise; some of those tweeds, the smaller ones especially, were very much in the same neighborhood as an AC-something-or-other. Literally just enough circuitry to make a sound, nothing else.)

[@danielsan81]

Love my silver face Princeton. Tone for days. Sounds great for any style. Loud enough for most bands. Use a strat when I need more clean headroom. Little beast of an amp.

[@StephenRybacki]

I've owned both, the Princeton stayed. The tremolo is better IMHO, and the volume is more manageable in a home studio setting. But, the Deluxe is also an awesome amp no doubt. Are they the same thing, only different sizes? Absolutely not.

[@NorthsonHD]

which would you prefer for open jams & bar jams . even non mic ?

[@tonybrooks476]

Dan’s intro. Outrageous transition into jazz.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Ah, cheers Tony 🤓🙏

[@tonybrooks476]

@@ThatPedalShow ❤️👌

[@hasserl]

I didn't read all the responses, so somebody may have already mentioned this, but the 2 amps have different types of phase inverters. The Deluxe has a long tail pair phase inverter (LTPI), which is the same as the larger black face/silver face Fender amps. The Princeton has a cathodyne phase invertor, which is what the tweed Deluxe and some other tween amps used. The type of phase invertor (PI) has a large impact on the sound of the amp, especially when pushed into distortion, you can hear it clearly in this video. The distortion on the Princeton has a lot more hair on it. This is because there is an imbalance in the Princeton's PI, one leg of the AC signal gets chopped off more than the other leg (which may stay clean). The PI of the Deluxe is far more balanced, when it distorts it distorts in a much smoother way. Whether you prefer one over the other is a matter of personal preference, but I would say most people prefer the sound of the LTPI being pushed into distortion over the cathodyne. You mentioned that the speaker is breaking up, and it might be, but I think that is actually the PI you're hearing. There are some simple mods that you can do to the Princeton, (at least you can on vintage hand wired Princeton's, I don't know about these reissue amps) that will give the amp more headroom, and will smooth out the distortion when the PI does breakup. Again, that unpleasant distortion your hearing is probably coming from the PI, not the speaker.

[@kennethreid8632]

Dan, a Tele & a Princeton, a match made in heaven. My Fav TPS episode especially when listened to through a decent set of Headphones.

[@joecapizzi605]

Install NOS RCA 6v6GTA's and re-bias the amp to 26 + add a Celestion G10 gold - This did wonders for my Princeton. Warmly breaks up at 4.5 - Turns into a beast at 6. Rarely needs an overdrive pedal, just ride the guitar volume. When I do use an overdrive pedal, I start by setting tone controls to 0, then adjust to the room. My amp came biased from the factory pretty cold at 19, and adjusting made a huge difference in the overall tone.

[@AdrianJames28]

You guys live in a different world when you're talking about headroom and power. For me, a Deluxe Reverb is a LOUD high-headroom amp. I couldn't dream of playing anything louder.

[@ThatPedalShow]

We understand, especially from a home / low volume environment. Thing is with the Deluxe, it stops getting louder when it starts to overdrive. Now depending on your drummer and the rest of the band, that might just not cut it. Mick here. Loads of people get by just fine, but I came up in crazy loud bands and the little Deluxe is just totally lost in an unmic’d pub band. Which is how I ended up with insane loud amps - 100 watt Boogies. Genuinely I don’t think the tone is any better at that volume, but the feel and response is sooooooo different it teaches you to play in a whole other way. And to my fault, it’s the only way I can play well. I’m learning though - starting to understand how to play quieter amps. Cheers!

[@weschilton]

Its all relative... these gents have a lot of 50-watt and 100-watt heads that would crush the Deluxe in a live setting. Compared to that these amps aren't that loud. Even with both amps cranked they barely got over 100db peak

[@AdrianJames28]

@@ThatPedalShow Completely understand! I've never had the luxury of playing that loud. Usually a Blues Jr on 4 has been too loud for my drummer.

[@GeoversePR]

I have the deluxe reverb & every input sounds different. Just a heads up. Bright cap on the vibrato ch, Inputs 1 & 2 sound different.

[@weschilton]

Lovely video guys, with some killer tones and very inspired playing! There really is nothing more epic than a Fender guitar into a blackface amp! On my 1967 Deluxe Reverb, around 4 1/2 is the sweetspot for my Strat, around 4 for my Les Paul... strangely, when I had my reissue, it was actually a 1/2 to 3/4 turn lower. I do love a Princeton too... I had a very hard time deciding, but the Deluxe won out due to the greater headroom and cleaner bottom end from the 12" speaker, and I am VERY happy with it.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Lovely stuff Wes! I had a reissue that was heavily driving at 4. It’s so weird. Mick here

[@michaelkay611]

Splendid playing from both of you on this one! And a great episode. I use a vintage Princeton non-reverb with a Pyle driver speaker (maybe 50 watts or so) and a vintage 335, and it doesn't break up that easily. I have used it as the sole amp with my band (granted we are not that loud) and find putting it on a stand makes all the difference. Obviously if mic'd up it's great, but I've survived even without it. And I love that melting amp sound where it has nothing left to give. Both of those off-the-shelf reissues you use in this episode sound ace.

[@nickwebb9290]

Excellent review. Playing in a band I’ve for some years stuck with my 65 DLR Reissue. Also have a 68 Custom DLR which gives more tonal flexibility. Not normally having to mic up. If I had a Princeton am sure it might be a struggle without being mic’d for the cleaner tones. Princeton sound great though.

[@NJSonye]

I’ve played many Deluxe over years. They’ve never been my favorite Fenders. The Princeton modified with a 12” help straighten up the “flubby” bass. The most interesting Deluxe RI that I played had the stock speaker BUT it had Mercury Magnets “iron.” I’m not an endorsee for Mercury; this was the best Deluxe I’ve ever played. Coupled with my (original) Zendrive was this was as as Dan would say, “magical” as Dan Bottom line… I feel safer with at least 40w of Fender!

[@nicholaspetergagg7769]

My princeton has a replacement baffle board and Eminence rajun cagun and the volume and clean headroom of the amp are much improved over the stock amp ,it can now compete with amps three times the size. An amp for life.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Nice! Would love to hear that. Presumably you know what a certain Randall Smith did with Princetons back in the day….

[@nicholaspetergagg7769]

@@ThatPedalShow Hi, thanks for the swift reply! the baffle that fender provides is very insubstantial ,mine looked as though it was made by a toddler group, when I replaced it for 18mm marine ply the amp came to life.If the baffle is a cheap cost cutting exersize it will ruin the sound and rattle and buzz.With the baffle/ speaker upgrade my Princeton has doubled in volume and tone. Great demos of these wonderful amps guys,many thanks.

[@bigfat6strings]

that was a terrific episode/topic guy's!! now i need some money, got the princeton wanted a second for stereo, kept thinking about the deluxe, knowing i need that too. but jeeze its gonna be hard to get the cash... but i have too, there is no choice.

[@rogerwilliams2629]

And the winner is..Super! LOL I'm a Super reverb nut. Congratulations on your promotion, Dan. I started Judo in 1967 and had to retire as a Godan in 2016 after my stroke. I do my best in Kali, now, Solo drills. All I can do....and play guitar.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Hi Roger, thanks so much, as you know it’s an amazing journey. The judo part of BJJ is probably the toughest. The guys who are really good at their stand up tend to have a much better game all round. Godan is an incredible achievement, awesome stuff! I reckon I’m another 10 years from my black belt, my only goal is to enjoy those 10 years 🤓👍

[@rogerwilliams2629]

@@ThatPedalShow BJJ is widely known for really taking a long time to earn belts, I totally respect your purple belt....you would have most likely beaten me on the ground 9 times out of 10, or 10 out of 10...not because we dont work newaza... we do, but we didn't concentrate on it as much as BJJ of course. It's gotten better all around with cross training.

[@oldmanlearningguitar446]

You guys will be playing Champs within a year at this rate.

[@Quante1123]

One of the best Princetons I’ve ever heard was a Chilewich Charcoal limited edition, had a 12” Creamback in there, that amp was magic.

[@Kruser_75]

I bloody love this! Answered a lot of questions… thank you gentlemen 👍

[@WayneMemphisMojo]

I have both (vintage '66 Princeton Reverb & the newer '64 reissue Deluxe Reverb) ... it me the 10" speaker & tremolo circuit in my Princeton Reverb is my favorite. I still love the Deluxe Reverb, but just not as much. EDITED Side Note ... I swapped the Oxford to a Celestion G10 & it helps reduce the bass "flubbyness" of the Princeton Reverb

[@tcause]

Deluxe all day for me but knowing that I can’t be in the room with mine above about 4 and a half. Mind you compared to my bass man and Rivera its very manageable.

[@PotemkinBUMP225]

Never used a Deluxe until I toured with Freddy Jones band due to backline use.. The 65 deluxe is such a great amp! I love it, and I normally use a 100 watt Suhr at home. Deluxe is great with pedals too. I never have had to go over 3 on the volume live. Would love to try a Pro Reverb. What do you think of those?

[@funhousebaby3104]

GOTTA get the new'ish Vibroluxes on the show guys! Perfect step up from the Deluxe Reverb

[@jeffbriggs4268]

I've got a 65 Reissue Princeton 15 watt (it says on it) and it has a lot of bottom end with my Les Paul Special with P90s. Great sound! My son has a 65 Deluxe Reverb and I don't think you can find a better amp for a Telecaster for which to play country, etc. With both amps on 10, the LP ventured into some Clapton territory. I like to play through either the Princeton with a Marshall Valvestate or a Blues Jr. III with the Marshall when using two amps. Great video!

[@Guitar_Smasher]

These sound much better than Fender Toneless Masters! D'ya think it's the tubes?

[@ThatPedalShow]

D'ya think?!

[@istvandejesus]

Hey guys. God bless. It would be great to see a video on Fender Tweed amps. Especially the 5e3 circuit. Great video as always.

[@Terryomalleyonline]

Cousin Kenny and Marty used Princeton amps on The Marty Stuart Show. Sounded great. I preferred the deluxe. Great episode

[@monmixer]

I prefer a DR but a Princeton is cool also. I just like the 12 inch speaker. They sound good and really you can use a 5 watt amp on a huge stage if you have your guitar in your monitors or IEM.

[@garysmith2983]

As an LP player, can never get rid of enough bass on Fender amps. But love the sound of Fender amps. An eq pedal does the trick to some degree. Don’t have the same issue with my Mesa Express, which I think is a seriously over looked amp. I have a Victory sheriff which also has too much bass for my taste with a LP.

[@klapaucjusz1]

I dig Dan's new look with the white Santa beard and the hat. I think he's pulling it off. Embracing age with style and flair.

[@gordonrankin4667]

Anyone else feel like we should set up a fund for Dan's hats? 10 vs 12 usually 3-4dB for the same power. Man put the G10A from Warehouse in that Princeton and it would killer! Bass power required is exponential in nature so 300 down uses 90% of the power, plus the rise in impedance of the driver requires less power as it goes up in frequency. 6V6 amps are always the best sounding to me!

[@hargoniyamaki5168]

I have the ‘68 RIs, and I like having both. The thick low end of the Princeton is great for some things and distracting for others. Forced to choose, I would keep the Deluxe Reverb.

[@JN-North.Guitars]

I have owned and like both Amps but much prefer the 68 Custom Deluxe! It’s a bit more alive! Slightly noisy though.

[@Attilargh]

Oh dear, oh man, those two sound killer. The Princeton must be up there for the most fun for the least wattage. Out of curiousity, on the topic of small amps: How much can amp placement help mitigate sound engineer grief and loud drummers? Tilt stands any good? I realize it might not be the most thrilling episode to film but it'd be interesting to hear your thoughts on how you set up on stage.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Argh, Mick here. Our stage days are all but over. It’s just guffing on KZbin now. But yeah, I guess. Mick here. I’ve done gigs with the amp behind or under the stage, amp lying on the floor, etc. I guess the answer is just bin the amps and get a Kemper now everyone is more worried about the engineer than the musicians!

[@Attilargh]

@@ThatPedalShow 😂 Love you, Mick! Don't lose hope!

[@digitalchris6681]

I'll have one of each please...... Actually, no, I'll have two Princetons

[@digitalchris6681]

@@keithclark486 right now I have not one amp - sold them and bought a helix and a frfr amp 'n cab. I do miss them though. I tried several Vox's but found they didn't like pedals much...

[@svarthelikoptern]

That was amazing! The Princeton for me! Imagine the Stapleton Princeton vs the 64 Custom Princeton, how cool would that be??!

[@alanbeesby8914]

Great to see Dan really looking like a Wiltshire native! Not long now until he goes full Wurzel! 👍😎🤘 love it!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Drink up thee zider

[@Buragwit]

Stick a celestion alnico blue on a princeton and not even changing the transformer and im pretty sure it could boost the headroom a lot

[@shckltnebay]

I finally got a real 68 Princeton added a G12h Heritage and its like having a Deluxe in a much smaller cab. Doesnt really break up till about 7.5-8 range and its damn loud

[@thomasstonehewer7037]

The Dan from Del Monte... love the fashion look Mr S, cool 😎.

[@davidbrowning6762]

I’ve been a Princeton man pretty much the whole time I’ve been playing. My dad gave me his silver face at 15.

[@JohnWDGTandTele]

You know, even with earbuds on, it seems as though I can hear the low end response of the Princeton speaker. Both sound great!

[@ianandrew1496]

Just purchased the Princeton 🤘.can’t wait for Monday when it arrives 😀

[@ianandrew1496]

It is phenomenal👍

[@kkrekula]

Well done guys! Lovely sounds and great playing! :) Perfect start of my weekend! :)

[@LaLa-dh7bl]

Great as always. I have a Princeton FSR with a 12” eminence cannibes Rex. Seems to hold pedals very well.

[@KKMcK1]

What about a 65 twin reissue? Also, in Jeff Beck's final rig, it appears he was using the new tweed bassman amps sitting on custom fenderish extension cabs. What were those? Please have his tech on to answer all these questions we all have. We're the amps molded? If so, how? What were the speakers in his cabs? Thanks in advance!!!

[@sethwortman125]

I like to keep my Deluxe at 3 as a high headroom pedal platform and I still get told to turn it down at gigs all the time.

[@BrockBarr]

Both together on 10... Amazing. Pure gold tone

[@timchalmers1700]

Very enlightening !! Another great show !!

[@chrisoneill3075]

I am in amp heaven these days, I have a 68 Custom reissue Princeton and she loves a Free the Tone Sov 2 , and yes with a strat a boss eq pedal can be beautiful. If I want a bit more oomph I add in a second amp - An original American Fender pro junior mark 1 does the trick. I have a Fender Concert 2 also, which has the most amazing clean to break up tone I have heard when pushed with a tubescreamer . Awesome tones would love to know your guys views on the Concert 2 amp

[@watchfan6180]

Upvoted, subscribed. How would it sound with a Celestine blue inside?

[@TeleBlaster]

Mick...you have to put a G10 Gold in the Princeton. We need to know:)

[@stratocluster]

I own them both and I'm so happy I do

[@stephenmunns4205]

I don't know what anyone else has said. I'm at work being sneaky, but if you change the speakers for some sort of vitage celestion, the headroom and bottom end will be greater. Jensons sound great dirty, but clean isn't their game.

[@AnthonyUK100]

True.

[@mdub1762]

lpve you guys. nice work. beautiful guitar playing..

[@toddinrancho290]

have had 2 princeton reverbs going all the way back to 1968. and as you can hear, they flub out in the bass frequencies pretty fast. sensitive. perhaps a different 10 inch speaker to even out the bass without so much mush. beautiful little amp, though. a classic. who knew, swap out the transformers and switch the 10 inch speaker for a 12 inch and voila, princeton delux.

[@Rhythmanalysis]

So what you are saying is… I need a Princeton, a deluxe, and to run them both on ten. My neighbours will hate you (live in a terraced house…) but … tone.

[@teknomanning]

Yup

[@simontuppurainen2639]

After hearing both amps together on 10, Dan sounds like he needs a cigarette, "Well, it's been a while since I felt that" :-) Les Paul into the Princeton on 10, Fuzz pedal definitely not required. Love the tonal characteristics of the Princeton, set and forget and just play it.......

[@MichaelHattem]

Drink every time Dan makes the “now I have to buy this Princeton” face.

[@mickstick5112]

That Epi with the p-90's sounds incredible! Can't be stock pickups, right??

[@bigpk2003]

I’ve found that if you are micing your amp that a Princeton or deluxe of any shade…tweed-silver, will sound bigger than their high(er) wattage siblings. A deluxe of any color is extremely tough to beat. Unless super clean tone is what you’re after 🤷 Great video guys!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Definitely something in this Patrick.

[@jdmoney1000]

Stayed til the end...very in-depth!!!! Still not sure which I prefer...ha!

[@samthorne488]

Need a Princeton 12 review!!

[@rikohoveka3864]

Love the hats Dan. I'm gonna look at buying some now.

[@michael_caz_nyc]

I had an original Silverface (as a youth) & also a black Super-Twin in high school. In Dec 2017 I purchased a 65 Blackface Princeton Reverb and I am on Cloud-9. I was not expecting much, and it has Blown-me-away, and greatly Exceeded my expectations. That amp is Going-to-the Grave with me. oNe LovE from NYC

[@frankieconcepcion7860]

Another Episode for The Princeton but about speaker swaps and how different they make them?

[@ThatPedalShow]

We’ll do that!

[@bigfat6strings]

@@ThatPedalShow exellent. that will be super. princeton with speaker swap is quite the topic us poverty stricken guitarists are looking at. i suspect until you actually buy something and give it lots of hours playing time, you don't know really.

[@mgiliberto]

In addition to the Princeton love, I think that's the first time I've seen Dan with a big grin while playing the Jaguar. Besides the additional headroom / power, what sonic differences do you think a Hot Rod Deluxe has? It seems to me the two blackface amps have a more organic overdrive sound. That said, I've never been able to play the clean channel of an HRD maxed out.

[@ThatPedalShow]

We’d agree with that. The HRD is a completely different animal. Almost warrants a different brand on it we reckon.

[@marcusedwardusaurelius5455]

I traded an Analogman Sunface and a few other cheap pedals for a Hot Rod Deluxe Soecial Edition that was rebuilt by a local amp builder into a 22 watt Hand-wired Princeton Reverb with a 12in speaker. Just glorious. McClostone Amps in Colorado, USA. It’s changed how I play guitar.

[@TheJuggernautv2]

Epic video, thanks for the thorough deep dive!

[@phillipasby9202]

I'd post a picture of my Vintage Sound VS22 which is a deluxe style amp - and yes the normal channel with a brown mod is at 5 and the tremolo channel is at 5.5 - it doesn't really open up until 4.5 - both too loud for my band and likely most stages - I used it with a Fryette Power Station 2 and it makes it totally usable at more modest volumes. The PS2 is a ridiculously useful device for single stage amps - expensive but transformative for many applications.

[@klontart]

Bravo, this show is true TPS passion.

[@taylorshattler]

Can we get this amp (Princeton) included in a wet dry episode? Maybe with the ac15? And maybe include your other favourite wet dry pairs… food for thought. Cheers!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Check out the recent two amps episode. It’s there…

[@Stereostupid]

I also love micks playing!but it’s crazy when I hear him I hear a lot of my own playing it’s hard to stop playing like that blues rock style once you start so I’m going to start taking lessons again to break away and learn county,jazz and just everything

[@ThatPedalShow]

Me again Rob: Get a teacher and do it! Learning where to you put your fingers is easy enough. Wanting to put them there is a whole other ball game. But it’s just hours in!

[@Stereostupid]

@@ThatPedalShow yeah getting your fingers to play what's going on in your head is tough its like in my head I can hear an entire orchestra ensemble but if I go to play just Hendrix comes out 😂 I found a teacher I just need to organize the funds Skype all my ducks in a row! Thanks for the advice and everything!

[@jonpinto5492]

Thanks guys for the great show! Technical Correction: the Princeton differs from the deluxe reverb (and the other larger blackface amps) in more ways than just the power supply and speaker. The Princeton uses a 12ax7 cathodyne phase inverter, while the others use a 12at7 long tail pair PI. Makes a big difference. Also the Princeton uses a bias modulating tremolo, which is a very “round” or “swampy” sound. The deluxe modulates the preamp signal using a bulb and a light dependent resistor giving it sharper peaks and valleys.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks!

[@chipsterb4946]

If “power supply” includes the power and output transformers, then yes those are big differences. The bigger Deluxe Reverb output transformer is the primary reason for the higher wattage rating. The bigger power transformer provides a “stiffer” power rail to the entire amp. Don’t forget, the Super Reverb was virtually the identical circuit as the Deluxe Reverb but with HUGE transformers and four 10” speakers. Oh and the size/power of the output transformer has a LOT to do with bass and clean headroom. A long-tailed pair phase inverter adds some gain, while the concertina (cathodyne) does not. So the Deluxe Reverb has one more gain stage, albeit not close to the gain of a normal 12AX7 gain stage. In addition, the Princeton’s PI can produce some ugly distortion at times while pushing a long-tailed pair is almost always musical. All that said, I had the pleasure of working on and blue printing an all original 1964 Princeton Reverb. Built a clone/derivative based on that amp and love it. I like bias vary tremolo better than just diddling the preamp signal.

[@Slaphitter]

Fender just sold all the Princetons. Can’t remember the last time Dan lit up with glee like he did with the Princeton.

[@michael_caz_nyc]

Greatest "most perfect" Guitar Amp ever made. Perfect size, weight, power & Pristine Cleans - too. Fender hit a home-run, when they made the Blackface Princeton Reverb.

[@owlytimbre9103]

My kids love dan as do my wife and I but he is the very embodiment of child like glee. Hope he reads this because he's an absolute rock star in my home. Big luv!

[@mattelder9147]

Everyone else noticed no pedals needed/ used for most of the show. On one of my setups I have two Princeton’s and a Champ wet dry wet with a boost and two delays going to either amp and that’s all. One is brownface Princeton, the other a blackface and I can setup the Joey Landreth alternating trem experiment Dan did.

[@ThatPedalShow]

We reflect on that. With smaller amps it almost seems a shame to add OD pedals. And then comes the trade off. Not loud enough, bass end flubs out. Turns to Two Rock and Klon and remembers why Big Amps Make My Heart Melt. :0)

[@feetsofwonder]

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[@paultaylor2968]

Possibly one of my favorite non artist shows. The joy and infectious enthusiasm oozed out of my TV and into my heart. Truly wonderful. Always a highlight in my week. So grateful to you guys.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you Paul, for being here and for saying nice things! Glad you enjoyed it!