The “$20” Wooting Clone. (Mad60HE)

So you guys asked me to try out the Mad60he. Here are my thoughts...
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Wootings Full statement:
"We don’t condone the the outright copying of our products, software, and identity from Madlions and its associated companies ATK, VXE, VGN. They’re cashing into short-term gains at the cost of the industry and environment by not adding unique to the industry and a product that’ll unlikely survive longer than a year.
Madlion’s business model is to copy existing products and bring them to the market at a low price. We speculate that they make these loss leaders to break even or to ramp up production volume at their factories to keep them a float rather than doing nothing at all.
They keep RND costs low by copying popular products and using their low price point as a free marketing tool. “Get the same cheaper!” And with that, it gives the buyers a mindset of “if its bad, it was only a few dollars”.
We don’t participate in this race to the bottom that Madlions and similar companies are cultivating.
We’ll keep an eye open for competitors that are adding unique value and invest into long-term products. Keep us on an edge. Meanwhile, we’ll cook.
Filing a lawsuit in China as a foreign company is difficult to win. And they don't directly use a trademark, so there is plenty to debate.
They also make a copy of a Melgeek Made68 keyboard, which is still there even though some legal sound is made by melgeek.
Moreover, as soon as it is no longer possible, they are already on to the next one.
This is extremely distracting and we are not a fidget spinner, you don't just make exactly the same thing. So all the effort, money and stress going into a lawsuit is better spend on improving our products. "
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[@Wooting]

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.

[@Lötkrebs]

True, never thought about it like that

[@shironium]

keep being you wooting ❤❤

[@Benni259]

its like buying the reprinted $100 book for $10 and still get the same thing out of it lol

[@echoeee]

hi wooting can i have free keyboad

[@Mr-R.R.]

Very true and if the plagiarized product will offer me practicality the same features/options at a significantly reduced price, I will always go with that

[@kreamypie]

“Take control” ❌ “Fake control” ✅

[@Winkyfn]

Fr

[@sunking3804]

"The $20 Wooting Clone. To start off the keyboard is actually not 20$" very cool.

[@Twowaner]

he put "20" because thats what people refer to it as, not what it is.

[@Buizie]

it actually is $20 though (in shopee)

[@chemus9217]

I think it is 20 bucks, but the cheapest non RGB model just isn't in stock anymore, even the company stopped making it

[@shofps26]

@@Buizie delusion

[@DieKottis]

@@Twowaner thanks for clarification, i genuinely thought he tried to bait us with the 20 dollar title

[@tahfizhabib]

In Bangladesh, most people can't afford $100 keyboards. They want inexpensive ones with lots of features. Buying online is difficult due to credit card issues and taxes. This makes the MAD60 keyboard readily accessible through local sellers.

[@ownage8742]

broke people

[@dracobaka]

@@ownage8742 more like less valuable currency and stricter laws but I digress

[@dqskatt]

It's will be funny when your "20$" keyboard can't be configured anymore because manufacturers are gone and don't care about consumers enough to release downloadable software. Your hall effects keyboard will essentially be just normal keyboards with abnormally high power consumption. There're a lots of good alternatives from reputable companies for just a little more. Why should you risk precious "20$" in a poor country for keyboards that will become useless somedays because it was made by unprofitable companies that are doomed to fail.

[@dracobaka]

@@dqskatt good points but it's not like he's gonna stick w the same keyboard all his life. I had a redragon k552 as my first mechanical keyboard and it works great even though I've had it for like 3 years now, I just switched to an ajazz ak820 pro for about $60 and it's great but I don't think you need to own a keyboard that's like over $100, you can easily own a keyboard from a name brand for $40 or so and make it last years. If I were him I'd personally have that $20 dareu keyboards or eyooso ones (Chinese brands) or some other ones from ali express for a first ever keyboard but over time I'd buy a better one

[@boattvl6411]

​@@dqskatt with that logic, after the keyboard become useless, just buy another 20 dollar keyboard again that very similar to the popular keyboard at the time? no? lmao

[@kraenovt]

Screw moral cost; I can afford a Wooting, but I ain't paying 200 USD for a keyboard when I can get a similar one that's like 1/4 the price. And everyone who comments saying it's morally wrong, tell me: in your whole life, you haven't pirated a game, downloaded cracked software, or downloaded music on KZbin instead of paying for it on Spotify because it's morally correct?

[@SquashyBoy]

i had my keyboard design stolen by a chinese company and i know how it feels first hand.

[@clapnir]

@@SquashyBoy what a shit show go back in time and wooting woud make a diffrent design not this one nobody woud say if the mad 60 HE comes it has a good design

[@JxremyWrld]

no, i use soundcloud, and I can afford spotify but I don't like it..

[@diztinger]

What's morally wrong about this? You can't patent a design like that. Otherwise there would've been numerous lawsuits already. It's not like you're stealing things.

[@luqmanmohiuddin4006]

@@SquashyBoy Owh Boohoo, entrepreneurs hate competition. Like there is anything different here.

[@Shohshaz]

Ok his uploading schedule is getting better

[@hectordtb642]

im happy with my Mad 68 HE purchase tbh, i wasn't planning on dropping 200 dollars on a damn keyboard when i can get the same performance with just 40 dollars.

[@kitkatt876]

mad 68he

[@daigal1]

1- The performance isnt the same , you get the feel of HE but thats it , mad68 8khz has 760hz (not even close to 1khz) 2- No long-term support and warranty Atleast you didnt buy the flagship 80$ 8khz madlions ( 40$ and 20$ versions are acceptable)

[@albertfrengki]

​@@daigal1people said the 1000hz better than 8000hz 🤔

[@frostyiv1509]

​@@daigal1Number 1 is negligible since no human input could reach the maximum troughput of the polling rate, it's just a gimmick. Anything over 500hz for a keyboard is okay in my opinion. And, don't give me the bullshit "I could feel the 0.3 ms difference" Number 2, most people can't justify paying a premium just for the "off-sale" support , especially just for a mere keyboard.

[@frostyiv1509]

​@@albertfrengkitrue 8k hz could affect some cpu performance. That's why some people said 1k hz is good enough. Also, on the paper, 8k hz is theoritically better than 1k hz but in practical, the latency differences is unnoticable. Human average reaction time is around 230 ms anyways, your average joe wouldn't even notice it.

[@TechKnoTeo]

From a Brazilian's point of view, considering that imported products come with insane prices in the country, the Wooting is a product that is honestly unattainable due to its price in Brazil, which is around R$ 2600. The MadLions offers basically the same thing as the Wooting, but for around R$ 250. Considering that the minimum wage in the country is R$ 1400, if you find yourself in this situation, like I do, in a devalued country, DO NOT BUY THE WOOTING. No product should cost twice your salary! and do not feel guilty on that!

[@ktoru2655]

During its release it WAS actually as low as 22 dollars, I got mine for 26.43. Although im someone who disapprove of plagiarism, Im not someone who can afford a cheap HE keybpard other than the Madlions 60HE and this just shows that a keyboard that would normally be expensive is being sold at a cheap price means our technology is advancing further for people to be able to access it without having to cough up a huge sum. People tend to think that every gamer are well off and would have access to new technology and games. This is also exactly why ANY attempt to get rid of plagiarism using the law will NEVER succeed, especially in china. Here to represent the budget gamers from SEA. (I own an Inplay set thats how broke I am)

[@SquashyBoy]

i respect that man. the whole part about the tech being improved to be cheaper and better is something im all for. mechanical keyboards used to start at $200 and now they are as cheap as ever. and this situation, i believe, is that for hall effect keyboards. also shout out to SEA.

[@ultramasterultra5724]

no its just china wooting costs like 30 bucks to make yet they charge like 200

[@ropotato1145]

@@ultramasterultra5724 yeah but it's one of the best company. If you have a problem, they will be here for it + they have the best software. (i'm not against the mad60he).

[@Migss]

you tried it! :D good video as always!

[@ロケット-ブライト]

indeed it was a good video

[@SquashyBoy]

was inspired by your video ;)

[@frostyiv1509]

migss 👋

[@glossedghost]

"I lied in the title about the price of the keyboard!", "...but I digress." Alright brother, you've left profound first impressions on me.

[@ember_falls]

I didn't even notice lol

[@SquashyBoy]

its literally stated at the start that its called that and not actually $20. people have been calling it the “$20 wooting” and the title is to clickbait and make people realise its not actually $20 and it seems to be working

[@lamuney29]

To be fair he did put the 20$ between quotation marks

[@sagirem]

It literally says "20$" in quotation marks, and he explains why in the first 20s. Every other YT video said it was 20$ when it's not, hence the quotation mark and explanations

[@SquashyBoy]

@sagiremto be fair to the original comment, i did only change the title after seeing a few of these comments. but i was also on a flight so i had no access to it for awhile. that ones on me 😅

[@2kata]

If these people can make the same keyboard for 1/10th the price, frankly I don't care that it's plagarism.

[@ryanolsen294]

lol

[@Prabhu2086]

08:02 the reason why I just ordered one. I need to support them. Knockoffs will eventually bring the prices of HE keyboards to sane prices.

[@WeGaming2]

SO REAL LIKE WE DONT PRINT MONEY OUT HERE CAN WE GET SUMN AFFORDABLE

[@sethblack7413]

i feel like "the $38 wooting clone" would have garnered the same amount of attention instead of just lying

[@ahmedmx3575]

that's why he put "20" in the title

[@sethblack7413]

⁠@@ahmedmx3575that might not have been there when i commented idrk but thats not the point. Its still clickbait and straight up just lying when its not really needed. Imagine if instead of 20 it said “the “$0.01” wooting clone”, then is it still ok because its in quotes?

[@diztinger]

no the tf it wouldn't have, that's almost twice as expensive and depending on where you buy it, you can actually get it for 20ish bucks.

[@frederic.chopin]

In China u can actually get it on JD for like 118 rmb (16 usd) and the base model is like 13 usd

[@khoinguyen-cc3mo]

When i saw this keyboard, i had the same reaction as you too lol “At that price, they needed to have something up their sleeve to pay back that price” Thanks for the very informative review, i was considering to buy it^^

[@nearo007]

What are the downsides exactly? Besides the moral aspect, it's literally better than Wooting for what, 1/5 of the price?

[@khoinguyen-cc3mo]

@ uhhhh, even on the highest model of this board, from the reviews I’ve seen, it still doesn’t beat the wooting in terms of performance Idk, you may have more experience than me so i may be wrong haha

[@nearo007]

@@khoinguyen-cc3mo from what I've seen, it has better switches, sounds better (cuz the switch is sealed underneath), and lower actuation point for rapid trigger (0.02mm), so in terms of specs it is better. I don't have one myself (I have the raven68 which is very similar to the mad68), so I can't say for experience tho

[@floureszenz]

@@nearo007 its not better, coming from someone who has both keyboards!! i even have the 8k flagship one and a normal wooting 60he+, the latency difference is huge idk about you but i play valorant professionally and i can very much feel the difference, wootility is a great software that is much better then the madlion one, not to mention that the wooting keeps on getting better with amazing software updates/firmware updates which i can guarantee some random chinese company is not gonna give a flying f about.

[@user-tt8ln8fm8s]

@@khoinguyen-cc3mo idk why u think a 20 dollar kb will have better performance

[@s6nyi]

“Keyboard drama” that don’t even sound real 😭

[@mikobegaming]

wait til you hear about mouse drama

[@s6nyi]

@ NOOOOO

[@DH-cv8sn]

Madlions sounds like an an evolved madcatz, the company who made those crazy mice and goofy controllers

[@50shadesofblack-s4w]

both are different companies and madcatz is long dead lmao

[@gorgnof]

One thing I would worry about is that, since you can only (?) configure it from the website, if the company shuts down, aren't you kinda out of luck?

[@SquashyBoy]

yea

[@speedlegends482]

I know that ATK (main brand) has web drived and actual software, but idk if Madlions will do that.

[@maozedowner5915]

So does Wooting, so does every other website based configurator.

[@WolfGame_304]

Remeber you have option aside from web based driver to download file of driver in .bat extencion so that is the last resort if company go bye bye

[@flascowo]

you can run the web software locally

[@LshowKnows]

I never understood the "Its the price of a monthly Spotify sub if you do the math!" logic. Wooting is too expensive for the average consumer, and the average consumers are mostly casual gamers who dont want to drop 1/4 of their salary (obvs depends on the country) on a keyboard. We get our paychecks at the end of the month, those 5 bucks are part of the small amount you get to keep to yourself after paying for your necessities, its a small expense you can afford at that time and will do you better than a keyboard. The average person can´t just throw 200 bucks at once like it´s nothing unless they´re saving, and if you gonna save 5 bucks every month to buy a Wooting it would take you forever.

[@SquashyBoy]

nah thats girl math, any casual gamer should go for a cheaper option

[@HimmyHendryx]

then dont get a wooting 💀💀💀

[@v_AsT]

@@HimmyHendryx exactly. I literally don't understand why people are complaining about the price. Obviously, people that can actually afford the fucking board, are the only people that will be buying it. If you can't buy it AND YOU KNOW you can't buy... don't fucking buy it 💀. That's literally the only thing people complain about the wooting, the price. Other than that, it's an excellent KB. Just because YOU can't buy it doesn't mean it's a bad kb.

[@luxcsuz]

I WAS WAITING FOR U TO MAKE THE VIDEO ABOTU THIS KEYBOARD

[@hYu3]

well, thanks for the review! but I like to share the perspective of Brazilian consumers regarding the Wooting keyboard. Here, it costs around R$ 6,000 because of taxes, which is over four months of minimum wage (R$ 1,412), while clones are available for just R$ 250 (1/4 of the salary). With advancing technology, clones offer much of the same experience at a fair price. While Wooting’s innovation deserves recognition, but the abusive pricing in Brazil makes the original unfeasible. Many of us will choose alternatives out of necessity, not disrespect. For me, just an average Brazilian, the cost-benefit of clones far outweighs the Wooting.

[@SquashyBoy]

The cost-benefit analysis makes sense. I hope yall can get a quality keyboard for a good price, and in this situation i definitely support getting something affordable like the mad60

[@Tekzi_]

Wooting literally said “we lost to these mfs but please buy our products”

[@Robnate]

No, they said they would rather work on a different product which is better than taking a lawsuit. The reason being is because taking a lawsuit in china sucks horribly and I don't blame them at all.

[@sagirem]

Why do you think all these knock offs come from China, it's impossible to sue them

[@erisium6988]

@@Robnate if they wouldnt make it unrealisticly expensive it wouldnt be even a issue, they make 4x more the price for same shit plastic keeb with pcb and switches that arent nothing special.

[@Robnate]

@@erisium6988 Its not the same, build quality will last and actually has good features. The knockoff has none of that. Sure it can be cheaper but they gotta make money somehow

[@amr1t_]

... seriously that was your takeaway from that? bro be fr lmao

[@Riyoe]

Ok honestly let wooting cook, they've been pretty based about their (and other) products and either way they will still be the first thought that comes to your head when rapid trigger is mentioned so they basically won

[@__Cool]

Man see keyboard, man see keyboard review, man happy

[@Azurekiteful]

To be honest wooting is like 1x-2x minimum wage/month in my country capital. As much as copying is bad atleast this way rapid trigger keyboard technology is not gatekept by the high price. For people from rich country or atleast high paying job wooting will be always worth it because of it's software and support meanwhile for people from non rich country and low paying job these keyboards (mad60he) is affordable and do its job.

[@erg999]

I agree, I even think that the Price is way too high.. yes they do have nice Services.. But who needs that on a keyboard?? Most of the time People just Plug and Play.. it’s Not a car..

[@hadalabyss]

The wooting 60HE+ is about 8% of a month's pay at min wage here. For me personally it'd be about a fifth of a single week of work's earnings. Still "pricy" but clearly within reason for cutting edge stuff. It sucks but some countries just aren't target markets and I wouldn't blame you for throwing out the "ethics" at that point.

[@SquashyBoy]

I completely agree, but I still think there are better options out there at this price range. And the biggest argument I hear is “Wooting has the better software.” I gotta be real here, I touch any keyboard’s software once, set up what I need, and never again. So the whole software thing is kinda invalid imo.

[@erg999]

@@SquashyBoy I think the madlion is the best Price Value Keyboard you Can Get Right now..

[@thisisfel1x]

@@erg999 true, the performance especially on the R edition is undeniable with that price, the sound makes me feel much much better than wooting as well!! Shout out to MAD

[@mokad]

yeah cool change your title then 0:14

[@Wyn3e]

The title refers to what people call it not what it is mfs blind

[@Terrmmy]

bro edited this comment and still didn't rack his brain

[@Baner27]

It's in quotes 💀

[@lesscry0]

4:28 The Nano68 is actually their newest keyboard, maybe ur confusing it with the fire68 which came out before the mad60he.

[@Diablo76i]

i dont think so the newest one is the fire68 check their website

[@wolspring]

@@Diablo76i re-read the comment pal

[@noobienoob8977]

some good budget options are… 1: mchose ace60/68 2: irok nd63 3: aula win60he

[@manwows5597]

And... the mad60he.

[@noobienoob8977]

@ i mean for him to review

[@Texas-1126]

Im really happy to see others reviewing this keyboard, i really love it bcs its cheap, reliable, has 8000hz polling rate on the 60% which is why i think its really worth buying

[@Haru_no_ki]

Funny how wooting is worse in terms of stock sound, both in switch sound and stabs sound. They most likely use the same factory as wooting

[@SquashyBoy]

nah its not the same factory, and the sound is due to the closed back switches. similar sounding switches are the geon raws and the gat jade pros. Doesnt excuse the stock stabs on the wooting tho.

[@Rotasu_]

I'm sure these are super important to gaming keyboards xd.

[@speedlegends482]

@Rotasu_ I mean, it's better to have good stabs, especially for a high end keyboard like Wooting.

[@yrmosi]

@@Rotasu_dude with that price for a 60% board it should be expected that the product is near flawless

[@aloper5]

I wonder if the OEM manufacturer for Wooting, is now "sharing" the Wooting design to anyone with some cash...

[@tahfizhabib]

right

[@artzen1040]

My very first thoughts after watching this video

[@KeebClack]

i saw this on taobao, and I'm so happy squashy made a vid on it!

[@charles.3187]

I took the housing off of my corsair K 68 RGB years ago and it's been running like that for the majority of the time I've owned it and it works 👍

[@Mechstalol]

I understand not buying a keyboard because of the sketchiness of the clone and stuff. That’s why I will probably not buy this board. But all the people replying to others who have bought it negatively, just stop. Just because you spent $200 on a keyboard that you could now get for one fifth of the price doesn’t mean no one else should buy it.

[@SquashyBoy]

yea if you can put the questionable reliability aside, its a really good buy tbh

[@Mechstalol]

@SquashyBoy omg squashy boy reply

[@ADHDmeds]

bro watched you when you use to play osu, and you have branched out proud of you dawg good shit

[@SquashyBoy]

thanks bro, you a real one 👊

[@aetnma]

omg thank you for making this video, literally asked for it in ur previous video lol

[@goldy_on_pc930]

Wooting is is almost 4 years old and they are selling for the same price, the mad60 by the looks of it probably is coming out of the same factory and using the same tooling as its really hard to make a such a n exact copy without this being the case. Wooting has already recovered their RnD and marketing costs but they are still selling it for what it originally did, this keyboard probably cost 25-29$ to produce, if Wooting is gonna be greedy and still keep the costs up even after 4 years than its fair game for these smaller companies to compete, also good chance mad is just the brand owned by the factory that’s making the keyboard

[@JakubixIsHere]

Wooting is almost 10yr old. Also mad uses case files from wooting github. And mad is made in same factory as atk vge etc. Wooting is made in diffrent factory which is not sharing stuff

[@ecid1008]

I got the Fire68 recently i also have the 60he wooting. And i can say that the fire68 feels way better, sounds better. And is more then double the price of the wooting. Insane how they can squize so much bang for your buck definitely recommend it.

[@AbuBakir0]

the mad 68 R is even better than the fire68, i love madlions theyre amazing

[@markr90]

is the nano68 the best madlion product?

[@Buizie]

Blew all my budget on a fumo I ordered months ago so this could be a great alternative (for now) for the wooting

[@fcantil]

average 2hu fan

[@Buizie]

@@fcantil it's not even a 2hu fumo 😭 it's an ibuki fumo 😭😭😭😭😭

[@Cauadb]

In Brazil, it is way better to buy the MAD60HE than the Wooting. The MAD60HE costs around 60 dollars with tax, while the Wooting is about 400 dollars due to taxes, which is around 2,500 BRL.

[@panquemadol]

wooting deleted their comment? why?

[@Sujay95]

lol yeah they did. probably cuz people were roasting them in the replies for their overpriced keyboards 😂

[@t3mpban]

I never buy chinese knockoffs but I copped the 8k version and its a steal. Even though it the polling rate isnt as advertised, its still better than most other HE keyboarda like drunkdeer and apex pro (its also pretty dang close to the wooting) so its a really great entry-level keyboard.

[@ultramasterultra5724]

its not better than those its the exact same they are all basically the same except wooting which is slightly better

[@digim3l]

Why is wooting better?​@@ultramasterultra5724

[@kasamo]

you need to review the MCHOSE 60 HE. its so much better quality than the Mad60 HE, im not sure why the mad60 got all the popularity rather than the mchose60.

[@speedlegends482]

I also believe Mchose is better, but I think the mad60 is getting more attention because it's a wooting clone.

[@piece5613]

You mean the Mchose Ace 60 Pro my friend, i have one here and bro this keyboard is so amazing ;) I have the Mad 60 He Ultimate also here but the Ace 60 Pro is on another level ! ;)

[@orbanaron9794]

Im new to keyboards, so I dont have a lot of experience if its worth to buy a pricey keyboard like the wooting 60 he, in your oppinion would it be more worth to buy a more budget like the Mchose Ace 60 Pro which outperforms the Wooting. Or Im not sure if it outperforms the Wooting.

[@EpicGamerBruhHD]

Sounds a lot like Wooting is mad that someone is able to offer an almost identical product at a significantly cheaper price. I don’t think the copying of Wooting’s design and other aspects constitutes fair practices, but it still seems as though Wooting’s main gripe is to cope about them not having a competitive pricing in comparison. I have never understood this whole thing with pricing industrially made items sometimes tens of thousands of times above their production costs, as is the case for a lot of keycap sets for example.

[@JakubixIsHere]

Look, wooting plays long game. They said it multiple times. "Those chinnese brands are racing to bottom who can give lowest number for cheapest price" so they wait for them to each other until they have proper competitor that is on their level. their main competetors are big brands (wooting is slowly taking all pros to use their keyboard last cs major has like nearly 40% pros used wooting) Also in pricing you have to include that keyboard will aork perfectly fine for for years+ but even after warranty ends and keyboard breaks somehow, they will give u replacement parts if they physicly can. And you forgot to include updates that will last 7yr+

[@Omar-kw5ui]

For the testing part of the video, it would be good if you run wireshark, and a key-logger to monitor both internet traffic and keystrokes over a period of time. The keyboard could be programmed to contact a server to receive "firmware" (malware). It can also be deployed with a keylogger that logs your keystrokes to get credentials, and from there run terminal scripts to download further software that can hijack your computer simply to become a crypto-mining node. The possibilities are endless.

[@egbad]

6:08 typing on my Mad 60 HE white ultimate, and in all tests this keyboard is better than Wooting (less latency, less deadzones, etc.), so it's so good) But the Wooting answer on 6:35 is so good, so mature

[@daigal1]

its soo good thats 8khz version have more like 760hz 😅and double the lantecy vs 1khz 60he+

[@vietcongat5percent]

​Bro is so mad rn 😭😭 imagine paying 5x the price just for the same shit ​@@daigal1

[@mybyyy348]

from a consumer's perspective, it's always nice to have something that can be produced at a much cheaper price. plagiarism? there is no such thing as pure "NEW" in this world. so if you want to protect your design, just patent it. like cherry did with all the cost they paid for it over the years. the statement "So all the effort, money and stress going into a lawsuit is better spent on improving our products." come to a sufficient conclusion. it show how you value your own design. business is business, why does the community have to fight to defend certain companies. making a fuss in the community certainly won't solve the core problem, right?

[@PhuUh]

For some reason I like the copy sound test better than the actual 60He

[@SquashyBoy]

it does sound better

[@JakubixIsHere]

It does not, due to hollowness he switch is too high pitched

[@SquashyBoy]

It does. not even counting switches because that is subjective; the stabilizers have less rattle.

[@ifiwiwould]

Squashy should do a Shoppee haul

[@itayraviv2422]

Malware? Bro what are you on about.

[@AutoJay]

Yeah idk that was weird

[@FireworkRyota]

​@@AutoJay From what I've understood, when a device gets infected with malware, that malware copies itself to all other devices attached, even components such as your Motherboard (although I do feel that's an exaggeration). As such, while I'm not sure, some people play it safe with unknown USB devices, regardless of if they're not storage devices. I hope this helped a bit, and I'm sorry if it's not a good reply, I tried :(

[@sawgiie]

he jus playin it extra safe that's not a problem

[@Sujay95]

he's trying extra hard to shill for wooting and brand names so he can get sponsored. So it's in his interest to heavily imply in his vids that cheap price competitive products as this one are virus/malware infested so they buy grossly overpriced wooting and brand name products which do the same thing as the $20 thing.

[@Eclipse-u9d]

​@@Sujay95 imagine being that desperate lmao

[@Condred]

If you're looking for another very cheap magnetic keyboard with a more original design, you can try the Ajazz AK680 Max. It's similarly priced to the Madlions board. Haven't seen any reviews yet though since it's a new product

[@LiDAF69]

Irony part is that wooting doesn't ship or sell their keyboards to my country but mad lion does it. For that reason hats off to mad lions.😂

[@jiaantariq1516]

If someone can make the same thing cheaper then what's wrong? It's like saying a random brand copying the style of a jacket from Louis Vitton but selling it for like 20 bucks whereas LV is 2000 bucks, if you can get the same thing for cheaper it's always great, keeps the market competitive and there's no monopoly, consumer access becomes easier, new people would be much more interested to join in instead of spending 150+ dollars

[@M1jlann]

It is (borderline) illegal bro, same thing with pandabuy, that shit got shut down. If you can make a keyboard that has its own twist to it and not a exact copy it is a different story.

[@afootballgenius]

One thing that is worth more than $20 is actual support and guarantees. What happens if your madlions breaks or if they decide to not update it anymore. Also on your point about make the same thing but cheaper is shows in the Wooting statement. Madlions can make it so cheap because they don't have any r&d costst while Wooting has to invest a lot to create new things. So that is the thing that is wrong. If they could make their own design and own marketing for $20 it would be a different story!

[@gianngernale36]

thing is, its not the "same thing", it definitely IS CHEAPER, but it isn't the same thing. There are other things you need to consider when factoring in the price of the item, not just the product itself. Sure, it'll give you the same functionalities of the real thing, but as wooting said, how long would it last as compared to the real thing? The video mentions one of the quality downsides of the thing, a lesser quality plastic may mean it could break faster under heavy use. The PCB could also be of lesser quality, with lesser quality ICs and capacitors, QC issues could also be more prevalent with the cheaper product, warranty coverage/ duration and how easy it is to contact the company for it, and lastly as Wooting also mentioned, the lack of innovation and progress. Being an outright plagiarized product means it brings nothing new to the table, they cut on R&D costs as well. All these together is enough reason for other people to buy products such as wooting even if it mean shelling out a bit more, and hence why plagiarized products will bring nothing to the table, not even "Market Competition".

[@SquashyBoy]

i never said it was wrong, i just said its scummy. oh btw if wooting patented their designs, then yes its wrong to copy the case 1 for 1.

[@mao5473]

if cheaper copycat = good, then no ones is going design anymore and no one will willing to create something new. all the market or company will just wait for other person to create a new things and copy it with cheaper price. Also, the price get lower, the quality gets lower too. I do agree and support it at some point that luxury product are overpriced and it doesn't come with the value and the quality sometimes. But still, copy other's product totally is unethical and its illegal in all around the world. Like what happened in university, do some effort and edit on your assignment and not just copy and paste other's works. Both "copy and paste" and "copy and add some ideas and spice on it" looks similar but its completely different in ethic and legal perspective

[@SqueakyTypes]

it is unapologetically a "copy" and it works well too. its a good option for those who want to try HE boards because of the price. BUT then again Wooting support and community is next level. yes, the mad60 works but don't expect support/warranty for it.. if it has issues you are probably just gonna get a new one and software update won't probably be supported for a long time. keep in mind its also a webdriver.. if that site goes down RIP software.

[@ZenTunE-]

If I didn't hate not having arrow keys, I would definitely snag this at that price, just to get a feel for a hall effect board.

[@seibertron500]

there's a 68 key version that has arrow keys

[@theoxninja9693]

just buy the mad68 or the fire one

[@nearo007]

raven68 has arrow keys, 0.02 Rapid Trigger and 8k hz. It was definetely worth it for me.

[@ZenTunE-]

@@nearo007 I wonder if that would fit in my Tofu65, might consider that if it does 🤔

[@ZenTunE-]

@@seibertron500 60€ free shipping, pretty tempting. Gonna have to get used to no VIA though.

[@_Chionosu]

Thanks for reviewing the mad60he was wondering if i should get it or not

[@theoxninja9693]

you should bro these wooting keyboard are expensive for nothing

[@Khino727]

Mad60 is an old clone for new clones go for Ace68,Aula Win60 Pro(GH60 Compatible) or Fun60 Ultra(Cheap Aluminum)

[@sandwich-plays]

@@theoxninja9693”for nothing” bro they literally made the first standard mx hall effect switch (with gateron), designed all the case, electronics, software, has amazing support, QC,… . This keyboard literally just copied everything so obviously they are cheaper

[@droppend5137]

@@theoxninja9693 The Mad doesn't even have 1k polling in tests, the reason for it being cheaper is... Well because it's just worse. They've done a good job with looks, and sound. Bout that's about it. Software, actual performance, material, support, etc all goes to wooting. What I'm saying is that the alternative keyboards he recommended in the video are better picks than the Mad. Get a Nuphy for example, get the actual performance and quality you pay for.

[@sSangkan]

They're copying wooting designs to get more attention which is quite unethical, unless if you don't give a shit about that and just want rapid trigger, you can get it if you want, but there are are alternatives, like ajazz ak820 which is 4 $ cheaper than madlion

[@zvt9]

it's honestly a bit misleading that MAD Lions and Madlions have the same name. the first one is a spanish esports org and the other is a chinese brand that's focused on making knockoff products and is unrelated to the MAD Lions esports org.

[@elektrikheat]

Waiting for the 80 clone. Shipping to Canada with the metal case is like $400 before duties and tariffs.

[@tbnprathades1631]

I got the wooting on my main pc but i think this keyboard might be in my consideration for my secondary pc for work or lan party.

[@whoisAPT38]

Wooting will always be goated with customer service and W statement from them, hoping to get a wooting soon

[@arseao]

Whats better 80 or 60 he

[@whoisAPT38]

@arseao the 80he since it's 8000hz instead of the 60he being 1k I believe, the difference isnt much so unless you prefer the layout or are going pro in a game then just get the 60he

[@wc.d]

​@@whoisAPT38 why would anybody get a wooting if theyre not gonna go pro in a game

[@whoisAPT38]

@wc.d why would anyone buy a Lamborghini if they're not gonna speed, because it's nice to have

[@wc.d]

@@whoisAPT38 the difference is huge between a keyboard and a Lamborghini

[@flyingleehaii]

in Vietnam, we can actually have it for 20-25$. I wonder what does it cost in China, where it is made

[@noobienoob8977]

99 yuan for base model

[@yomsicle]

"MadLions" Welcome back Mad Catz!

[@benson9492]

For some reason, I am not able to access the browser software on my PC but it worked on my laptop and idk what setting I have to change for it to work. I can pair the keyboard and the page gets stuck at 'LOADING PROTOCOLVERSION'. I tried talking to seller but they cant help me either. I tried different browsers and VPN, reset the network settings but idk what the issue could be.

[@hadan8827]

At first , I also like that but after I close my browser and refresh and just wait, it changed from slow to faster setup

[@benson9492]

@@hadan8827 I've been trying for 4 days but nothing is working.

[@SquashyBoy]

it could be a browser connection error. or something with hardware acceleration in your browser. Im not sure tho

[@benson9492]

@@SquashyBoy I tried different browsers. reset all my network settings. repaired windows. still the same. not sure what setting is causing this to look into it.

[@makmakg242]

Please review the Lucky65 V2

[@junyaiwase]

5:28 aka “we hate that they are lowering the price of stuff we overcharge for because we dictate the market”

[@moeedramay]

i got the 68he and so far so good the socd and rapid trigger work like intended it does have horrible rbg but other than that its a really good board

[@ry7hym]

fits quite well together with the Mad R gaming mouse

[@nikewray]

just realized that this company is related to ATK, VXE and VGN. that's sad because those companies' mouse are so damn good for its price.

[@nikewray]

btw, in addition to squashy's HE recommendation, there's also the "Everglide AE68" (they have been making switches for years), or something from "Drunkdeer"

[@FubukiKZN]

Does the Mad60HE have the same features? (Hall Effect for the Full-motion analog and rapid trigger?)

[@JakubixIsHere]

No analogue mode

[@maozedowner5915]

Honestly what were they thinking? Copying Wooting? Wooting owners literally swap the case whenever possible. They hate it. Why even copy something people don't like?

[@sSangkan]

They copy wooting so people reviewing it would say it is a "cheaper wooting" to get more attention

[@maozedowner5915]

@@sSangkan Their main market is China itself, I have already seen some Chinese reviews of this keyboard before. I didn't click into the video, just acknowledged that some Chinese reviewers have received a sample of it. They do intend to compete in China, a place where there are already a ton of Hall Effect keyboard solutions that are better than this.

[@DevonM.Anderson]

Just ordered mine..because why not. Maybe I will put it in the Optimum case.

[@makmakg242]

I'd rather have them participate with the race to the bottom, as it's always expected these keyboard products get copied along the way and made it accessible to the hobby itself as a whole. Which I know they're a copy somewhat, but it actually benefit those who are in the lower-ranged budget and intimidated by how pricey hobbyists can get.

[@septFPS]

Bro i beg to you for a review of Mchose Ace 60 Pro with Uranus Switches (seems to be an insane keyboard, and also budget LIKE WTF)

[@tudorlabadin9446]

I like this video, but I don't agree with the whole sentiment about plagiarism. Sure, Wooting came first and they found massive success marketing as a keyboard that gives you a competitive advantage, but they did not invent the hall effect switch, they did not invent the 60% keyboard layout, their design isn't 100% unique either. If they did something that only they have done and no one else, then I'd understand the backlash. Competition is good. The fact that another company can price a similar spec'd keyboard at a quarter of the price speaks volumes about how big of a profit margin wooting has. Sure you could argue wooting could potentially have higher production costs, but 4x the price?? No man. As a consumer we are naturally drawn to cheaper prices. Competition is good because consumers buy the cheaper/better value'd product, and that brings the prices of those goods down since companies need to make money. It's been going on for as long as we'd had money. Who cares if this is a knockoff, for our own benefit we'd want keyboards to overall be cheaper. If you review keyboards as a full time job, you wouldn't understand how much $200 really is to the average teenager who's looking to get into keyboards.

[@SquashyBoy]

They didn’t invent the layout nor the switch. But, if you can’t tell it apart when you layer it over Photoshop, I think it’s quite clear they copied. But yes, Wooting is expensive, and I think the only argument that can be made that their keyboards are expensive is that they put time and effort into their R&D and advertisements. But I personally don’t think that it’s worth the money if you are just a casual gamer. It’s just that a lot of community members right now are looking for a Wooting specifically, and therefore they buy it. And I totally understand that $200 is expensive for a casual gamer. There’s a reason I recommend other cheaper alternatives in the video. I mainly just wanted to tell the audience that there are cheaper alternatives to Wooting on the market as of now and not three years ago, when it was still expensive to find alternatives.

[@nathanhollow0]

If you lay over all other reputable 60% layout keebs, they don't really match 100%. Similar, but not 100% blatant exact copy like what madlions did. That's the difference between "inspired" and "plagiarized"

[@marton3256]

What makes the wooting good accept for adjustments and stuff? Does it have the fastest response time on the market?

[@daigal1]

If you buy the flagship madlions its 80$ (not so cheap as 20$ but 1/2 $ then an wooting ) but probably you will not get 4y warranty / support for your keyboard for sure and the performance isnt the same and the numbers they sell to you they are false the 8khz keyboard its more like 760hz (not even close to 1k) and the 1khz its more like 500hz .

[@VodReview1000Rounds]

Wondering what happens when they do the same exact thing to the wooting 80HE

[@JakubixIsHere]

Well case files are out

[@JATDPLUS]

Honestly they are just making other peoples keyboards cheaper just shows how come companies make you pay premium for things that really don’t matter overall

[@peanutarchives]

While I agree that this is a scummy practice in the industry, people like me who are in the lower class and earn about $300 a month can't afford a Wooting. Like you said there are alternatives to a HE keyboard but it still depends on the availability of the product (NuPhy), the performance, and if it's going to use software that could possibly harm your PC (Ajazz). And I don't want to compromise. Don't get me wrong I love Wooting, I wanted the keyboard years ago the first time on Optimum's channel, and I'm very grateful for their innovation in the gaming space. I have a massive passion for esports, gaming, content creation, and tech, and that made me create my channel, unfortunately, it's not sustainable for me to run my channel since I got in debt doing content. I did try reaching out to peripheral brands for review units but no one was willing to work with me, not even Wooting. So with this Mad60HE being $20, not having to install software and performing almost the same as Wooting is a great option for people like me who barely have any disposable income.

[@Grimmblazee]

so what i got out of this was that i should just buy the cheaper one and a braided cord and some sound dampening matting to insert and it will feel BETTER than the wooting? i mean it willl deff sound better . im actually in market i cant let go of my g910 orion help! def dont want a 60 tho need full size or TKL . i DO also like dedicated media controls. recommendations accepted ( maybe wireless so i can lose my extra keyboard in the sim seat, ) i dont like half caps either . i like assignable rgb as well for my sim driving games. and flight sims.

[@manwows5597]

Feels like a wooting PR video. Didn't even compare the specs of both keyboard.

[@SquashyBoy]

It’s a good keyboard at a moral cost. There’s nothing more to say really.

[@sagirem]

Brother he mentioned them all

[@manwows5597]

@sagirem oh yeah? Question then. From the video alone, what switches does the mad60he use?

[@manwows5597]

​@sagirem also, on the video description he only links to alternative keyboard not the mad60he. Another trick he did was this weird segment of checking for viruses to dissuade people from buying the mad60he even more. This video is so fun biased and it's 100% not a "review ".

[@Gunna01]

Hello i have a question to ask, Does mad60he flagship and mad60he ultimate is the same thing no?

[@justklei5502]

flagship is 8000hz polling rate,idk about ultimate

[@inviszero]

If it's "OK" and cheap then why shouldn't I buy it

[@sSangkan]

It's copying wooting, and it's unethical, also they lied about the polling rate. If you want hall effect keyboard there are alternatives with almost the same price, like Ajazz ak820 (he mentioned it in the video) is literally 4$ cheaper than madlions

[@isn1p12]

I already have a Wooting 60HE, and it's really irreplaceable for me. But this looks appealing to get for my second setup since my problem with buying a wooting is the long wait until it ships, if this ships fast to my country i will consider it

[@ahpisthebest]

i got it cause i really wanted a wooting, with better sound and 68% instead of 60% (it has a great price too, so even better) but honestly, i don't really like how it copies wooting that much, they should've atleast made it slightly different bruh in brazil, the Wooting 60HE costs like 2500$ while the MAD68HE costed me 370$ (NOT DOLLARS BTW)

[@oscatMeow]

You might save a buck now, but you'll lose it later. What happens if the company goes bankrupt, it breaks early and the Chinese company doesn't want to fulfill a replacement or refund, the developers stop caring to update the software. Sure its 30odd dollars and i completely understand if someone in a rough financial environment/cant justify the expense gravitates towards this, but you really end up spending MORE money because either they break 5x more often, or like the other things i mentioned before. Wooting has shown very long term support for its products, including updates for its first ever product release in 2016 iirc and adding new features that have even shaken up the competitive gaming, not new ideas in the case of SOCD but implemented easily. Years ago you'd have to buy a whole new top of the line razer or Logitech keyboard to access updates or improvements like this, but since wootings shaken the competition other companies are following suit. Personally this is enough for me to warrant spending the extra $$ on the wooting, its pretty much the top end right now and the company is about as genuine and forward thinking as it can get in the space

[@Num2OuO]

this kind of blatant plagiarism feels so weird to me cuz iirc those people has probably the most unique looking mouse out there, with pretty good reputation too. Why would they ever done this is beyond me

[@chemus9217]

i knew this was coming after seeing all the other reviews

[@fedor7818]

Yeah, plagiarism is bad, but 180 euro for kb with plastic case is completely delusional

[@SquashyBoy]

true

[@JakubixIsHere]

Like 80% of keyboard is module and software

[@enderforces7013]

agree. Wooting build quality is garbage compared to the price. Like the 80HE zinc alloy board is still not that great and it costs 300 bucks. WHAT? Mediocre keycaps, Sub par HE switches. Like to upgrade a wooting to actual enthusiast level quality you need at least 40 bucks or even more of quality keycaps and a set of gateron jades (best HE keycaps supported by wooting boards, according to most people). 45 bucks. To sum up, to upgrade a wooting to enthusiast level you need at LEAST 400 bucks. It's luxury level price for something that should just be a normal level of good. And i didn't even account for mod prices. Like it's a joke come on. Personally i'm getting myself a keychron Q1HE and i'm swapping out switches and keycaps. The only con that i was able to identify after scowring through countless threads is that the software is very slightly less optimized than wooting. But everything else is an undisputed pro. And we're talking keychron, not an HE one trick pony at all.

[@JakubixIsHere]

@enderforces7013 you know keychron only support their switches right

[@arkham.9269]

What router is that as in the specific model?

[@renkirigasaki]

as a customer, especially on a 3rd world country, i dont really care about ethical thingy. Yes its scummy, but if its better and cheaper, then who cares. If you cant compete, you dead as a company. Imagine a chinese company copying your product and make it better and cheaper. Also that wooting statement is a mess

[@1dlematt]

so basically, mad60HE will also fit in tofu60 case, right?

[@SquashyBoy]

yea

[@Yabatoos]

Yoo should i take keychron q2 or the mad68r?? both price is around $100... idk what to choose currently

[@sabel_yt]

i bought and used the nano68 and all i got to say it's so money worth, sorry melgeek but your shit is too expensive, nano 68 is not only super super cheap *compared to melgeek* and the quality is super good which is hard to find in cloning other products

[@Sh1v44]

Mine delivering in 3 days😀

[@theelite2351]

same :D

[@Wyn3e]

I love the part when 8k polling turned out in testing it wasn’t 8K 💀💀💀

[@VincentN0ne1]

Does the ak820 also have rapid trigger?

[@sSangkan]

Pretty sure every hall effect keyboard has rapid trigger, but I could be wrong

[@VincentN0ne1]

@ i just searched it up the ak820 pro doesnt but the upgraded version does kinda sad now I bought the ak820 pro like a month ago I could've just waited for the next version of it to come out

[@sSangkan]

@@VincentN0ne1 all hall effect pcbs SHOULD be physically capable of having a rapid trigger feature without physical modifications, meaning that through firmware update, it CAN add rapid trigger feature, just pray that ajazz will update the firmware of your keyboard, or save up to buy a new one if you really need it. Unless if your keyboard uses standard mechanical switch, then that would be impossible to have rapid trigger

[@VincentN0ne1]

@@sSangkan yeah no the ajazz ak820 specifically doesn't give magnetic switches i think the one that has rapid trig is called ak820 max he or something

[@NohaaboiZombs]

I recently got the mad 60he because i was on a bugdet i didnt get the one he has but mine is the same with different keycaps. It is not a scam itr sounds amazing and i would recommend on a budget. Disclaimer this thing is NOT $20 i live in australia and got it for 100 dollars. its actually 60 usd

[@M1jlann]

The madlions really surprised me for its price point. I bought it to compare it to my Wooting 60he for shits and giggles. I do like the way that it comes in white instead of just black (fits my setup better). After comparing both, I will have to say that the madlions sounds good straight out the box but comparing the software and specs it is such a big win for Wooting. Id rather have a Wooting for a bit more money and knowing that it will have amazing software and continued updates than spending less on a questionable ripoff that wont be updated after like 2 weeks.

[@Mr-R.R.]

Don't EVER say "a bit more money" when comparing a $50 keyboard to a $250+ one. This is clear buyer's remorse lol

[@kokorocrunch6615]

allat spend a bit more money just to be gold is crazy

[@M1jlann]

@@kokorocrunch6615 I build keyboards as a hobby, I know I’ll still be shit in the end 😂

[@kraenovt]

madlions does update their firmware tho

[@Mr-R.R.]

@@kraenovt don't worry, these people think madlions is a random Chinese company that definitely hasn't been around and consistent for a while now lol

[@LeumasLSNTV]

Wooting Yapping cry, Customer is happy Did i care for the wooting situation? Nah. Am I happy that i can get a cheap and good keeb ? Yes.