The 2007 Rose Tyler Spinoff That ALMOST Happened

[@HarboWholmes]

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[@douglaswolfen7820]

"And no, it's not the one you're expecting"… I mean, we've all seen the thumbnail. So I think it is the one we're expecting

[@LibertyBridgeProductions]

I respect Billy Piper being one of those rare people who genuinely doesn’t want main stream fame.

[@cobra3094]

I would absolutely watch a show called Keeping up with the Nobles after Donna's exit

[@hued2542]

Yeah her juggling unit with her family in between it all

[@HuntingViolets]

Would this be after the events of season four or after the events of the recent specials?

[@johnatkinson1111]

Here’s how I’m picturing it, the main focus characters are Donna and 14. Donna works at unit and it has all the sci-fi adventure elements of a Torchwood type show. Meanwhile 14 is just enjoying domestic life with each episode having 14 trying some kind of new activity like one episode; 14 is trying painting while the next he’s learning a dance routine, the activity doesn’t need to be connected to the threat Unit is experiencing and it’s used more of a background sub plot to explain why the 14 isn’t at unit. You could even flip the dynamic between the doctor and Donna where now it’s 14 who’s blissfully unaware of the threats, either just not noticing them or because they’ve seen aliens so often they just pass them by in a hallway not even thinking they’re out of place. During the whole series Donna hasn’t told 14 about her job at Unit, maybe trying to keep 14 in retirement and not tagging along to work, and maybe it could lead to some conflict where at first 14 was happy Donna got stable employment but keeping secrets and even lying could strain the friendship a bit. A running joke throughout the series could be Kate wanting Donna to call in 14 the second things start going awry with Donna having to keep saying no because 14 is supposed to be in retirement and not dealing with threats. Then in the series finale a threat comes that’s completely blindsided Unit and they don’t know how to stop it and Donna relents and calls for 14, for one reason or another 14 can’t get there to help so he starts talking through the problem with Donna, maybe he doesn’t know the solution yet, but by talking with 14 Donna is able to find a solution to the threat but what’s important is that it’s Donna that ultimately figures out the solution abet with a bit of help because it shows Donna’s problem solving skills and perhaps cements her place at Unit as you can have a series arc where Donna feels out of place at Unit, unsure if she deserves the job.

[@HuntingViolets]

@@johnatkinson1111 That actually sounds quite interesting. And Tennant could probably film all his scenes for the season in a few weeks like Fred MacMurray used to do for _My Three Sons._

[@golden_gloo]

As if Martha wasn't already overshowed by Rose... Anyways, seeing alternate Pete's World versions of various Doctor Who villains could have been a really cool thing, like what would the Daleks look like there? Perhaps they could've been those crazy spider Daleks suggested in an early rendition of the TV Movie or some other alternate history interpretation.

[@Tulf42]

If the Rose spin-off had happened, it would have devalued her shock cameo return in the first episode of Series Four, despite the trailers showed she was coming back anyway.

[@HuntingViolets]

Maybe she wouldn't have come back for Series Four. That return wasn't planned when they were thinking about the spinoff.

[@pre-debutera6941]

If the show leaves and comes back again in like 20 years I'd love to see a spinoff with one of the Davies companions like the Sarah Jane Adventures.

[@Melina_Evarblume_Seelie]

I think they've all already revisited every Davies companion at some point though. Rose (a little too much), Martha during the Donna Sky thing and Donna during the anniversary.

[@wolfwarrior9451]

I think it could work well with Clara, in a torchwood-esque style. Everyone always said she was Doctor-Like anyway

[@HuntingViolets]

@@wolfwarrior9451 She even has her own TARDIS.

[@Trumpandnoob]

I wouldn’t want a Sarah Jane adventures type of thing it’s a bit too much for kids I think there should be one kids show like the Jo grant adventures or somthing but I’d prefer the rose or Martha or Donna adventures to be like doctors who age rating.

[@mayotango1317]

​@@wolfwarrior9451Clara is dead.

[@AiRsTrIkExXzZ]

It would’ve been some weird amalgamation of torchwood and sarah jane adventures considering it had both a previous companion and a team that the main character worked with/for

[@DisturbedNeo]

There’s a beautifully irony about something Doctor Who related being in the right place at the wrong time

[@fastertrackcreative]

Very River Song.

[@selatidos]

if rose: earth defense had become real maybe David Warner could have appeared as another doctor like Big finish but in live action

[@danielbergonzi7319]

We wouldn't have had secret diary of a callgirl.

[@Domihork]

RTD wanting to make Martha lesbian just for the controversy kind of tells you everything doesn't it... Also, writing Rose off because Billie wanted to leave DW only to come up with a spin-off for her is just... dumb for lack of a better word.

[@KatieKat223]

tbf its because he's queer and wants to stoke LGBT acceptance controversy. Because it SHOULD just be a minor character decision

[@JagoHazzard]

I guess my question would be, what purpose would it serve? The Who spin-offs tend to be aimed at different audiences from the main show. Torchwood and Class went more adult, SJA was more kiddie, Big Finish is for hardcore fans - would Earth Defence just be Doctor Who with a different main character?

[@HuntingViolets]

A miniseries showing us how things went over the years (although now we have the addition of Ten Too rather than Rose on her own and the passing years might be an issue for earlier parts of the story -- maybe something with higher end animation).

[@moom7049]

Have you read about the lost Sarah Jane episodes after series 5, a Christmas special with Tom baker and a Halloween special and more!

[@SeanORaigh]

I can see why producers might've thought this spin off was needed, but honestly by the end of series 2 I needed a break from Rose.

[@HuntingViolets]

I greeted Martha with open arms.

[@dannyjarratt5414]

Thanks for the video, this was really interesting. I like your transparency with the uncertainity with the facts.

[@carinameyer4156]

I really enjoyed Rose Tyler The Dimension cannon!

[@HuntingViolets]

Well, it is the one I was expectin because I read the title.

[@selatidos]

class season 2 ,talk about how that didn't happened

[@jason_a_smith_gb]

For me, this future would not be so Rose-y.

[@chickowar9412]

Great editing. Just noticed it in this vid and wanted to let you know.... great editing....

[@HuntingViolets]

Interesting video.

[@Comicbroe405]

Honestly this could've been good but it would've conflicted with the S3 arc of moving on from her.

[@Comicbroe405]

@@Georgie_R I should've framed it better lol. What I meant was basically the Doctor dealing with her being gone & all that. While your criticisms are valid, I'm currently rewatching S3 & its still so good despite those issues.

[@Comicbroe405]

@@Georgie_R Uff... I disagree quite a bit with what you've said here. Like lots of points but it's wtv. Glad we can agree on Blink being brilliant tho & from what I remember I'd liked Utopia & Sound of Drums a lot.

[@HuntingViolets]

@@Comicbroe405 And I love Martha so much.

[@Comicbroe405]

​@@HuntingViolets Same

[@Comicbroe405]

​@@Georgie_R Haha it's cool np. Also I kinda think the same about Giggle too tho I loved that bit cuz it just the right amount of goofy for me.

[@JuiceMyRandomness]

Wanting to make Martha a lesbian for the controversial element? Makes me feel like he didn’t care about Martha as a character at all. I adore Martha and would love to see more from her. The doctor treated her like crap! It feels like that’s what he has done with the new Doctor Ncuti. Flamboyant, loud, finds a guy hot every episode, crude jokes etc it’s like shock is more important than longevity. It feels like the current Doctor is more of a stereotype than a true individual to get to know. It’s a shame!

[@Redboots]

I have to agree that it was a good idea at the wrong time. I admit that I'm not the biggest fan of rose, but the nature of her exit and post-departure circumstances would've made for an interesting special episode at the very least. however I'm glad that it never came to be, not just for the reasons of oversaturation but because - and this is niche and petty - a specific subset of fans would be incredibly annoying about it if it existed. there's already a subset of fans I don't like who all seemed to crawl out of the woodwork the moment tennant was spotted filming to say 'only the first rtd era was good', which is wrong - no one era is the 'good' era because there's so much show and it's just too subjective - but more specifically there's a subset of those fans who only care about s1 and s2. and they would be super annoying about the spinoff. so I'm glad it doesn't for that one reason petty as it may be. but on a more positive note, I really do think it would've been an interesting show given the release schedule and potential worldbuilding, which is something I love in stories

[@LibertyBridgeProductions]

I think this would’ve been cool. I think it was meant to be specials and it would’ve lead up to journeys end very well. Why not do it now.

[@Rajesh-Koothrappali]

A first person shooter with rose, where you kill daleks and stun other creatures, teleport them to a prison, while staying on earth would be kinda cool

[@mooredraw]

i wish it had happened!

[@SageWon-1aussie]

Both of these companions were highlighted for spinoff shows because fan service tried to demand there should be some romantic entanglement between the alien Doctor and the human companion (Sarah-Jane Smith and Rose Tyler). Fan service never makes for good narratives (see: the Chibnall era) and these spinoffs, without regular Doctor cameos, just wouldn't bring the audience that executives demand for the advertising revenues. The introduction of the Disney era tried to lean into the attraction between Donna and the Doctor and it was worse for it, in my opinion.

[@R.senals_Arsenal]

I've enjoyed the Dimension Cannon so far, though I've got Volume 3 staring at me not gotten around to yet cause I've been busy in my MMO making Legendary Armor. I mean, Priorities! I think it would've been hard for Rose on TV to have proper stakes saving a parallel world, no matter how interesting. It reminds me of the old George Carlin joke about nobody caring about fires far away, but if it's right outside: "Holy Zh!t"

[@HuntingViolets]

There are sci fi shows that take place in different universes, though. Is it just that it's a different Earth that you think is the problem?

[@R.senals_Arsenal]

@@HuntingViolets I think it would be the contrast between the Doctor saving "the real universe" every week, and Rose saving a bizarro one. There have been good parallel universe shows, Fringe comes to mind, Dimension Cannon is a lot like Sliders, and those work because of strong characters, so it could work, but it does have the problem of immediacy of danger. Part of what makes contemporary settings enthralling is the threats to normality. When normality already left the building before you start, it's a totally different ask of the public's attention. IDK... I think you may have convinced me already and I'm just throwing spit at the wall now. LMAO

[@HuntingViolets]

@@R.senals_Arsenal I don't really believe there's a "real" universe and a "fake" universe. Our universe isn't really the Whoniverse to begin with, but if there are alternate timelines that split, they are all real. (A comforting and scary thought.) The people and lives there are not less real than the universe the Doctor happens to inhabit.

[@Acknowledgerofdoctorwho]

Probably would be better than- who am I kidding? The new doctor who is great!

[@HuntingViolets]

Eh, I always figured Rose was having an exciting life without the Doctor, since we knew she was going to work at Torchwood AU and had to deal with her ad hoc family and a new sibling, so I wouldn't be bothered by it that much. Mickey was there too, and they tended to gravitate to each other when the Doctor wasn't around, and Mickey had become much more adventurous. Was I supposed to think Rose was just miserable forever and we all needed to be miserable forever until she could have a permanent version of the Doctor? I watched _Angel_ leave _Buffy,_ eventually separated from crossovers (for a while) by being on different networks. I wanted the Doctor to move on from Rose anyway. It might have been a problem having two _Torchwood_ shows. I'd probably watch all of them, but you can't go by me, I guess.

[@lpc9929]

Who are rose Tyler

[@HuntingViolets]

Companion to the Doctor, first seen in Series One of New Who.

[@lpc9929]

@@HuntingViolets what new who and who are doctors. Brainwash doctor have my stomach pumped because I eating many candle

[@JuiceMyRandomness]

Do fans not like Russell? I get confused with fans reactions.

[@RobertRadio757]

I would’ve watched earth depends I don’t see any problem with it

[@markmorris7123]

You forget the class spinoff..Which is in KZbin..Think its called 1st Class

[@FireStormintheTARDIS]

So, every single time I see Rose Tyler come back to the regular universe, from the alternate universe, I always ask myself one question.....Where is the Metacrisis doctor? Why did he not come back with her. Why did she come back and act like he did not exist in the other world? Maybe you can do a video essay on that 🙂

[@jackaylward-williams9064]

I really wish that we’d got a Rose spinoff. I completely lost interest in the show midway through season 3 because Rose wasn’t in it any more, so having the chance to watch a spin-off revolving around her might well have kept me hooked on the show until the start of Season 4, which was easily my favourite series of the show when I finally got back into the show in 2014. Granted, I had been steadily losing interest in the show anyway ever since Season 2, as I disliked David Tennant as The Doctor (which is ironic, given that, our of all the episodes that I watched during their original broadcast, the 60th anniversary specials were easily my favourite on first viewing), but Doctor Who still stands out as the only piece of media that I was into during that period which I completely lost interest in, which is especially jarring given that there was new material coming out at least once a year, whereas most of the other properties that I was interested in either never had anything new added to them after I’d taken an interest (eg The Spiderwick Chronicles, Over The Hedge, Ratatouille) or didn’t take off again until long after I had eventually lost interest (eg A Series Of Unfortunate Events, The Incredibles, Chicken Run)

[@HuntingViolets]

Interesting.

[@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8]

The man who wrote Mickey being eaten by a rubbish bin is really going to call 2003 Clone Wars awful? Stay in your lane, sir

[@vanessabrannan4059]

I'm glad they didn't make it, but i do wish they would have done a spinoff with Rose and the metacrisis Doctor. Even a single special. Show us the romance of her falling in love with a new not quite Doctor.

[@OkMakuTree]

Huh, never knew about this. It's a fascinating what if, but I'm glad it didn't get created. Personally, Rose is the least interesting main human character in RTD Who, so this doesn't sound appealing to me. That said, who knows! Maybe this series would've changed my opinion of her.

[@HuntingViolets]

I think getting her away from the Doctor would be helpful.

[@mattthesilent777RED]

One of my alternate universes had Billie Piper play the Ninth Doctor

[@StephenStumbke-p8y]

Thank goodness it didn't happen

[@lp-xl9ld]

I loved Rose but there can be too much of a good thing

[@willname8444]

Pigeons in fancy hats

[@Hogtownboy1]

Video idea. 5 Crossover over show that Doctor Who needs to do. One. Murdoch Mysteries Two. Antiques Roadshow Three Dark matter Four. That Australian show with a female detective in the 1930. Five. Silo with Rebecca Ferguson

[@laetitiamckenna]

Is 4 miss Fishers murder mysteries? If so slay, that's a good show haha

[@Hogtownboy1]

@@laetitiamckenna yes thank you. An inferior Canadian knock called the Frankie Drake mysteries

[@timothyweers8054]

I think that leaving the idea of Rose Tyler: Earth Defense is a good idea. To have her reprise her roll later on is better. If they made the spinoff series, especially so early in the revival of Doctor Who, would have confused many of the DW fans and would make it more difficult to concoct the meta-crisis Doctor where to be permanently be planted in the alternate time line with Rose. One spinoff worth watching would be of River Song, how she borrowed the tardis every once in a while and was able to return it exactly back where it was supposed to be. How she had more control over the tardis than the Doctor had baffles me. Also for the tardis to allow her to take joy rides without the Doctor's permission sounds interesting too.

[@popstarrowlet]

considering Russel t Davies is a gay man I kind of doubt that he was only planning on making Martha a lesbian for it to be "controversial"

[@brandonbaka1375]

Ayo if thats RTD coming at Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars than yah, Moffat i guess can be considered my top favorote Showrunner

[@WannabeDancer72]

Which spin-off were we supposed to be thinking of? Because I saw the video and immediately thought of Rose Tyler: Earth Defense Also, im a sucker for multiversal shenanigans, so I would have loved it

[@TheOnlyGamingDML]

Sorry about my previous comments I was bad and immature back then By the way you should make a video about how doomed the upcoming Season is especially with this new change

[@bob8mybobbob]

The most likely answer is the most boring one - it probably would have been meh. Starts off clunky because it undermines Roses departure, some moments of really cool worldbuilding, and mostly just “doctor who without the doctor”.

[@withfaithcomespatience]

WHEWWWWWW

[@aaronvasseur6559]

This spin off did technically happen it’s called dimension canon and it’s on big finish same idea it’s rose trying to find the doctor before the end of time happens due to the daleks reality bomb

[@mattthesilent777RED]

You cannot respect RTD now, he's betrayed Doctor Who

[@SpartanBrigade]

No he real,y didn’t lol

[@mattthesilent777RED]

@@SpartanBrigade No, he did

[@SpartanBrigade]

@@mattthesilent777RED how exactly

[@Galax_CAS]

You like kids 👇