The 2008 Phillies were on the verge of a dynasty... and then they weren't | Downfall Ep 2

In today's episode we discuss the 2008 Philadelphia Phillies and how they won a World Series, and then slowly fell apart
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[@IncredibleFulk1]

This Phillies team had the “Perfect Collapse.” From winning the WS in 2008 To losing the WS in 2009 To losing the NLCS to my Giants To losing the NLDS vs the Cardinals To failing to make the playoffs until 2022.

[@jaystubbs3141]

Was at that Roy no hitter and it was an unreal experience!! RIP

[@acwillmar]

These videos are way too well put together to only have 1.5k, you have a talent at this 😭

[@REIDSRAPS]

Facts!!!

[@REIDSRAPS]

Facts!!!

[@hihunter7]

Honestly! Said the exact same thing. His presentation, quality, and overall standard of videos is that of a million subscriber creator. At least you and I are here from the beginning and call that he's gonna make a big splash on KZbin. Great channel, and super underrated. I always love finding hidden gems on KZbin. Most of the best creators are those that haven't gotten full recognition for their great content. Most kids are tasteless and like stupid ckickbait channels with mindless content. Intellectuals that put in hard and thorough work to create an excellent product are far more my speed. Peace to you, friend

[@joejackson9986]

Thanks!

[@bradbiesecker162]

I disagree. He merely described what was easily observable by anyone and gave little to no insight into why the Phillies made the decisions they did or into management's culture, or anything else

[@foramoreperfectamerica8490]

Something called a Scott Kazmir is great, it's like calling Barry Bonds Balanced Breakfast Person.

[@robertcullen7042]

I had money on that Roy no hitter. I watched every inning. It was great. RIP doc.

[@GatsbyCioffi]

Man, Joe Buck couldn't give less of a damn during the '08 series, could he? Walkoff infield hit: "Phillies take game 2."

[@Korijenkins1414]

He was straight ass in 2011 as well. Rangers 1 strike away twice and blow it both times and he sounds like he's about to fall asleep.

[@tyrannotitanentertainment7579]

@@Korijenkins1414he got better as time went on

[@StrosB4Hos]

The 07-10 Phillies were under constant scrutiny about sign stealing. Multiple teams reported them to the league, former Phillies that played for the Mets told the league they had a camera in CF and a buzzer system. Bud Selig did a half ass investigation, they found a non-mlb issued camera but it didn’t go to the dugout so he was like “welp stealing signs is just part of baseball like when my Braves used to steal signs for Eddie matthews and Hank Aaron.” Braves used to have a guy in the scoreboard with binoculars relaying the signs. Selig saved this franchise the embarrassment.

[@justmaxproductions]

I can relate to this

[@chriswilliams4700]

These rumors were never confirmed to be true, and nothing actually ever came of them either, so this seems a bit unfair. Of course the Mets would be the headers of saying they cheated, considering the Mets despised those Phillies teams. Their is no evidence that shows in the 2008 playoffs to suggest they stole any signs. If it were really an actual issue, it would have been a far bigger deal. Sure, their is a possibility they cheated, but most of it was just pure guessing they were cheating by the reports. Nothing truly showed any real cheating happened

[@spfhoops]

I enjoy watching your videos!

[@justmaxproductions]

I enjoy watching them also

[@michaelkkrasting]

Very well done

[@InterForza100]

Just found this channel and I really enjoy your content

[@willsellsyorklanc1254]

Lol what was the Mike trout thing at 3:10 for?

[@bigpapisosa7097]

Starting to think this guy's an Astros fan

[@NeumsFor9]

Without even watching.....Hamels Hollywood tour and Howard knocking over Lidge at a bad angle and basically damaging his knee during the celebration was the reason for the 2009 shortfall. 2010 they legit ran into a great manager......2011 they were on one leg. That 1 bloody nil game is easily tied in the 9th if Utley has his legs under him. A very unfortunate turn of events, Howard didn't just have heel bursitis.....his Achilles was already angry before that StL series even started.

[@reidye]

As a kid who grew up near Philly during this time…I can tell you people were really excited about this team. But then 2011 happened..and everything changed.

[@reidye]

Also ‘09 best year ever

[@ericradford2142]

Until tonight when the Phillies swept Albert Pujols and the St. Louis Cardinals in St. Louis.

[@Josh-ut4wv]

There now needs to be a sequel to this and the Astros one

[@BIG_Z_69]

Wow I love Joe Buck but after watching this I totally get why people hate how he lacks emotion and excitement… listen to the home runs he calls… he’s just so robotic

[@chuckthebucket8461]

So it's true, somewhere out there in the omniverse there is 1 person who loved Joe Buck. Never knew his mother was named Z

[@BIG_Z_69]

@@chuckthebucket8461 let’s you and I buy and read his book Lucky Bastard and then come back and talk and I bet we both like him

[@steveswangler6373]

there are only two words you need to know to explain why the Phillies dynasty never materialized. Ruben Amaro. doubt it? what other team has offered him any kind of front office job since he was fired?

[@connordelaney5863]

My dad has Carlos Ruiz’s HR ball from game 3 of the 08 World Series

[@justmaxproductions]

nice!

[@sludge8506]

Take it outside and play with it. Unless it has sentimental value to you.

[@NeumsFor9]

I was at G3 in the Wayne Moving and Storage Box. I don't recall a chooch HR. I remember Utley and Howard HRs and Chooch with the GW fielder's choice.. Update: Never mind. He did hit one off Garza. I remember now. My bad.

[@stw3art14]

That ending was perfect

[@elwaymoran4613]

Even better now

[@slayermcrx7519]

Whats with the Astros trading pitchers to the Phillies in the mid 2000s?

[@___________________.]

The Astros GM at the time was Ed Wade who was from Pennsylvania, used to be the phillies gm and returned to Philly as an executive after being fired in Houston. I have a theory that he may have been a phillies fan

[@roryenglish2872]

Never forget the A-rod "homerun" off the camera at Yankees homerun was not a homerun. The umps messed that up bad

[@TheDonkeyFuzz]

Yeah that was the momentum shift that won it for New York. God, I hated them.

[@GA-gy7nr]

It was a home run. It would have gone over if the camera wasn’t there, it’s the equivalent of the ball hitting a fan in the face whose standing at the wall and then falling back into play

[@michaelpagano7819]

Joe Buck at his finest during this time! Lol. So much excitement! Lol

[@matthewwolfe9417]

“Video on the 2011 Cardinals…” I need it

[@justmaxproductions]

the Cardinals don't get worse they take a year off and reload

[@e93sports80]

Love the SpongeBob bits.

[@TheDonkeyFuzz]

That 09 World Series and playoff loss to the Cards broke me. What a waste of a great starting rotation. Makes me morose thinking about it.

[@nelroy78]

Your math was off, it was 15 seasons between 1993 and 2008

[@justmaxproductions]

public school ladies and gentlemen

[@clarenceboddicker1162]

What’s with the mike trout stats up there ?

[@justmaxproductions]

we could all use a little more of Mike Trout's baseball reference page in out lives

[@VictorRodriguez-qn1kz]

Yankees don't mind cheaters when it benefits them lmao

[@___________________.]

Baseball fans*

[@chadhoy7489]

What the hell happened to Jeff Francouer?

[@justmaxproductions]

he had a long journeyman career where he threw out countless runners over his career he was Pretty Good all things considered

[@maxaronovitz]

watching this reminds me how good Utley was what a legend

[@brennankinder1461]

More football please

[@holaatyaboy6765]

You sound like you use a lot of SB nation for inspiration

[@scottaznavourian3720]

When realize the philles have been a franchise sknce 1883....chester a arthur was president....phones were a. New invention and cars and motion picture camers wouodnt be jnvented for almost another decade....and yet they have as many world series titles as the Florida marlins...

[@samright4661]

The only Dynasty in the East is Atlanta ruled from the 90s to the Late 2000s, looks like another Dynasty is forming in 2022. Sorry not Sorry

[@phillylifer]

Philly says nay!

[@sludge8506]

The 2016 Cubs were supposed to be the start of a dynasty.

[@justmaxproductions]

good idea

[@Dave-oz9qh]

How did this dog water team win a WS? It's insane

[@justmaxproductions]

hey they were at least better than the 2006 Cardinals

[@NeumsFor9]

Probably one of the best lineups of the 2000s is why.

[@eliavim3169]

Here now that the Astros will face the Phillies in the World Series this year

[@justmaxproductions]

Phillies in 5 sadly

[@adrianbautista2308]

My goodness Joe Buck... His name is Ryan Howard. You can at least remember his name if you're not going to show emotion

[@Verymuchluis]

Man I love your videos but im a Yankees fan😭😭 I need you to show some love here and then

[@justmaxproductions]

no

[@brianschaffer9220]

0:08 **15 years!!

[@connorcallahan4855]

I have never seen someone cry about the Yankees in a video about an entirely different team.

[@justmaxproductions]

yeah and?

[@MsSaskue360]

@@justmaxproductions your a sore looser

[@MaxSnowDude]

The Phillies lost to the Yankees that’s why lol

[@chrisdierdorff2197]

The only Ryan Howard highlight was his injury. Jayson Werth had a few more highlights than that.

[@bigbosshoss2901]

lmao barry bonds HOF ballot

[@phillylifer]

And today the phils are headed back to the world series!

[@justmaxproductions]

have fun beating my 106 win Astros like it's nothing

[@zacharyzeaman8239]

And were finally back plus we got revenge for 2011

[@Rockhound6165]

Ugly? Hardly. Many teams would kill to have the run the Phils had from 2007-2011. I know I would considering my Phils haven't made the playoffs since 2011(currently the longest playoff drought in MLB).

[@ericradford2142]

The Phillies are back in the postseason for the first time since 2011.

[@Rockhound6165]

@@ericradford2142 and up 1 game to nil.

[@ericradford2142]

@@Rockhound6165 they swept Albert Pujols and the St. Louis Cardinals in St. Louis.

[@deanchristian7774]

I influenced every pitch that year won then left them go....they lost from then on

[@jimboscooter432]

A-Rod was one guy cheating the Astros entire lineup was cheating 👌👍

[@veritasinvicta8128]

I don't believe Altuve and a couple others did, it wasn't everyone and I'm a Yankees fan saying this. There's reports that Altuve spoke out against the cheating so I have to put that out there. I will say that every team that's won in the last 35 years at least likely had at least one roids player. Go back to the late 80's and the bash brothers and who knows before that? So PEDs is a lame argument when Tatis just got busted, it's STILL going on. Electronic sign stealing and that special sauce spider tack helped them no doubt. But we have to cease and desist with the hate towards Altuve, a humble guy and human being. Plus it isn't helping, he kills us every time lol. We need a GM who isn't mentally challenged. Kind of insane to call jeter overrated but fits with Yankees hate syndrome.

[@mike-0451]

Except for Altuve, Reddick and Kemp

[@jimboscooter432]

@@mike-0451 Altuve had a wire on him when he hit the home run off Chapman. Altuve is the biggest cheater of them all.

[@mike-0451]

@@jimboscooter432 No proof. Beltran’s niece’s fake twitter account isn’t evidence.

[@jimboscooter432]

@@mike-0451 everyone knows that short sht is the biggest cheater in baseball history

[@rustyshackleford2703]

Altuve!!!!!

[@2velo27]

Ok, now make a video like this talking about the 2014 Rangers falling short of the Cup bc apparently you can predict the future

[@justmaxproductions]

I feel like the 2011 Rangers would be more appropriate, what with being one strike away from a WS and all

[@russbuck05]

Seems like Houston was philadelphia’s farm team or aaaa team back than

[@hunterwade9030]

Man really went after Jeter

[@chazzx1018]

Arod is a cheater, but Bonds is a hofer.😶

[@justmaxproductions]

me personally I wouldn't allow anyone in the Hall of Fame, it should be saved for Jamie Moyer and no one else

[@87Khein]

I absolutely hate the Phillies...but those 2010 and 2011 teams were definitely World Series favorites and they came up short. Hopefully my Braves can do what they could not.

[@kevinwilson9317]

Nope.

[@celtgod3]

Coming from 2022 and now they redeemed themselves! Go Phillies and hope they win against the Astros!

[@justmaxproductions]

I hope they don't!

[@jsheaffer18]

Ok we get it you hate the Yankees and like the Astros you don’t have to keep saying it

[@justmaxproductions]

but what if I told you I like the Astros and hate the Yankees

[@jsheaffer18]

@@justmaxproductions then I will accept it and move on

[@jsheaffer18]

@@justmaxproductions on another note I really do like your content keep up the good work

[@brandontong759]

Yankees suck lol, we taking the division

[@cows543]

I think you made a mistake in your script. During the 2009 World Series you said that the “most overrated player in sports history” was struck out, but in the video it showed Derek Jeter, not Allen Iverson, being struck out. Hopefully you’ll pin this comment or one of your own correcting this error in the future.

[@justmaxproductions]

AI wasn't overrated so much as his prime was just really short and that's all people remember from him

[@Honeybread-ox5ho]

Repent of your sins and trust in Jesus you will be saved I love yall

[@seplays2280]

Someone’s really salty the Phillies got absolutely plastered by the Yankees in 2009

[@mhuebner257]

Chase was so good......So fucking good!

[@PHDFlopperr]

14:51 why u gotta bring that up :( random shot at dodger fans lmao

[@justmaxproductions]

I try and fit at least 1 gurriel per video

[@proatnothingcubes4054]

Phillies in the 2022 Worl Series

[@pedrogalindo9979]

Stop showing the Altuve clip. You hurt my feelings

[@justmaxproductions]

sorry

[@robwasilewski9273]

A roid......

[@jonahfalcon1970]

There's 3,465 reasons Jeter is in the Hall of Fame, buddy.

[@justmaxproductions]

name every single one then

[@robertrusso951]

Let’s see, face of 5 Yankees World Series titles (including WS MVP in 2000), 3,465 hits, 260 HRs, 1,311 RBI, .310 career batting average, 5 gold gloves, 5 silver sluggers, and a 14 time all star. That’s a recipe for a great baseball player and a first ballot HOF. You hate him because he’s a Yankee which is a shitty reason and because skewed analytics say so without taking in any context. Overrated my ass

[@justmaxproductions]

@@robertrusso951 wow, you wrote all that and still didn't change my mind in the slightest

[@zacharybutts6885]

trash cans

[@anonymousanonymity2815]

Utley was THE best player on those teams, anyone that’s wants to tell you otherwise is just wrong.

[@justmaxproductions]

it was Jamie Moyer don't kid yourself

[@anonymousanonymity2815]

@@justmaxproductions lolll I have like a dvd set that has game 4-5 of the NLDS and and the WS games, watching game 3 is hysterical just “I’m gonna hit it, I’m gonna hit it” *WOOF* You should be ashamed that somehow in that Moyer video you couldn’t fit in Moyer running over an umpire on a bunt, that’s his career highlight😂.

[@jvelz6790]

So ur gonna skip the part when the Yankees win the World Series. Yeah ur a yankee hater 🤣

[@justmaxproductions]

I am indeed a Yankee hater 😈

[@jvelz6790]

@@justmaxproductions 🤣 can’t wait to take down the stros in the ALCS this year. When we do you gotta make a Video on that😈.

[@justmaxproductions]

@JVelz okay something tells me I won't be making a video on that

[@jvelz6790]

@@justmaxproductions LMFAOOOO thanks for throwing salt in my wounds 🤣 you literally waited to comment that didn’t you 😂

[@ryanb1501]

Ur a sorry baseball fan why do hate on the Yankees so much

[@justmaxproductions]

force of habit honestly

[@brandontong759]

Because they suck and are overrated?

[@brandontong759]

Rays clear and will take the division

[@elicash233]

Walmart Jon Bois quality videos.

[@michaelgregg8716]

Secret Base did this better. Try not to include so much Astros references, no one really cares about the Astros. Good idea for one of those videos though.

[@alexslushy123]

Yankees living rent free in ur head love too see it 😂😂🤣

[@justmaxproductions]

tbf it would be rude to ignore our son

[@OutsiderLXIX]

This video already gets a thumbs down. 2008 was the beginning of the dynasty. After 08 they didn't win a series but their team got better and better. So I'm sorry but this dude doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

[@justmaxproductions]

yeah this guy is a total idiot

[@anthonyconcepcion7894]

“Most overrated player in baseball history Derek jeter”🤡

[@chazzx1018]

I'm a true Yankee hater. Seeing them lose brightens my day, except against Philly. I would never call Jeter overrated