The 2017 Astros Didn't Need To Cheat

[@nomorefielders]

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[@Adam-er5mk]

That they absolutely didn't need to cheat to win makes the fact that they did cheat that much worse to me.

[@beckettschuchts4275]

i dont think so. you would dislike it the same or more if it was the margin of victory

[@wesleyantrim6648]

The fact that they didn’t need to cheat is the main reason they get so much public backlash. They were a likable team that was easy to root for. I’ve been a ranger fan for 40 years, and even I was rooting for them in 2017. The general public was behind them, and when the news broke that they cheated, a lot of people felt stabbed in the back. Astro fans can complain all day about being hated, but it was a purely self inflicted wound.

[@elijahcraig7976]

Bro Astros were a scapegoat. We weren’t the only ones. Obviously there were other teams doing it before and after the stros. They just wanted to blame a non coastal elite team

[@wesleyantrim6648]

@@elijahcraig7976 ok. Doesn’t change my sentiment at all.

[@elijahcraig7976]

@@wesleyantrim6648why? If other teams are cheating and you beat other cheating teams while cheating who cares?why don’t the 2018 redsox get more flak? We won in 2022 so it really doesn’t matter. Kiss the rings

[@wesleyantrim6648]

@@elijahcraig7976 because the Red Sox and Yankees have been around for a century and pretty much everybody had already formed an opinion on them. They either love them or hate them. No cheating scandal was gonna drastically alter how the general public viewed them. The Astros were virtually a clean slate. There was no reason for anyone to hate them on a national level. So when the 2017 team came along with what was an incredibly likable team, basically everybody outside of Southern California was rooting for them to kick the dodger’s ass. And people felt betrayed. I’m not saying it’s fair that Houston caught the lion’s share of the scrutiny, but it is what it is.

[@beckettschuchts4275]

thats disingenous. backlash would be the same no matter what

[@salamanderonhere]

Drumming up controversy? I hope he prides himself and thinks of himself as a man of faith

[@jamesesterline]

He prides himself as a man of faith, as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame.

[@SconnerStudios]

@@jamesesterline funniest moment in sports history. The man may have been a bigot, but dammit if he wasn't dedicated to delivering us play by play.

[@smoceany9478]

@@SconnerStudios hes got all the qualities i want in a worker, except respecting me as a human being

[@thecaveman3503]

What does being someone of faith have to do with a damn thing?

[@smoceany9478]

@@thecaveman3503 its a reference to thom brennamans apology

[@White_man_from_town]

I agree with this 100%. If they didn't cheat, they would've still had a successful season. Would they still have won the WS? I'm not sure. Everyone wants to criticise the offense for cheating but forget just how elite their pitching was that year. It's debatable that the Yankees were robbed of a WS appearance, but they only scored 3 runs on the road against the Astros with no multi run games. The Dodgers, on the other hand, I feel less bad for because they still lost 2 games at home where the Astros were not able to steal signs which is another point to drive on why they didn't need to cheat. Both teams were robbed to a degree, but I think the Yankees were robbed harder (because they held a 3-2 ALCS lead after game 5).

[@shoukatsukai]

The Astros scored more runs in 1 road game that series than the Yankees did in 4.

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Broke: The Dodgers would've won the World Series Broke: The Yankees would've won the World Series Broke: The Red Sox would've won the World Series Woke: The Angels would've won the World Series

[@ygf377]

You could make an argument the dodgers could have won the world series considering how close games 2 and 5 where

[@KOCChristian]

@@ygf377could make argument if Astros wasn’t winning it would motivate Marines Angels into starting their own dynasty

[@deleting1118]

@@ygf377game 2 was on the road

[@nomorefielders]

Galaxy Brained: Diamondbacks would’ve won the World Series if the dodgers didn’t Monstar JD Martinez to oblivion

[@DeathGrip1202]

Yeah, and that's probably what makes it such a Greek tragedy: we won't ever know because, even though they likely would have won, they still brought the questions upon themselves by cheating.

[@slayermcrx7519]

I'm an Astros fan and I was so happy that I was able to see them win their first championship unaware of how long they struggled to do anything for most of their history. I was devastated when the scandal broke but I held faith because they were still a great team despite the cheating. they proved me right because they won legit in 2022 with what I think was an even better roster thank 2017.

[@Zacg01]

2017 Astro's pitchers had military grade magnets in their baseballs and catchers mitt. This clearly affected pitch speed, spin rates, and pitch locations and you completely overlooked this fact.

[@Mr.DerekReese]

😅😅😅

[@zymarquiez]

No kidding.

[@SconnerStudios]

7:56 It's almost like...something changed....maybe his spin rate went up a little bit? He got better sticky stuff I bet. Someone in the Astro's organization probably created a great substance to up all their pitchers' spin rates.

[@nomorefielders]

Hey technically it was legal at the team

[@thecaveman3503]

It's almost like, it's was perfectly legal in mlb at the time😂

[@silentstorm5439]

That's definitely one of my theories about the Astros. There was a lot of guys that came in that were meh and became good all of a sudden. I do think they had better sticky stuff than everyone else

[@thecaveman3503]

​@silentstorm5439 you're probably right, doesn't mean they cheated tho as there were no guidelines for that in mlb at the time. Reminds me of another time so many still grumble over even tho what those hitters did was perfectly legal at the time as well😂😂😂😂

[@silentstorm5439]

@@thecaveman3503 oh yeah lol i ain't saying they cheated by it. It took the MLB a couple of years to finally ban the substances. All teams were using it at the time, but the Astros definitely seem like they created the best one

[@EpicGamer14_]

The fact that they didn’t need to cheat makes it even worse that they did. Also I’m a Yankees fan, yeah they didn’t score but it’s so frustrating that they got so close despite the team they were facing cheating. Did they deserve to win? Probably not. Is it frustrating? Absolutely.

[@SconnerStudios]

I agree with the title of this video. However, before watching the full video, I think it's important we should all agree that regardless of the effect, cheating is wrong and we should put the * next to their world series win because they knew they were doing wrong. It's sad that they probably could have never used a single trash can bang and still won. Corked bats have virtually no effect on distance and power, and until we have AI stealing signs to make sign stealing more effective, sign stealing probably has very little, if any, advantage for knowing a pitch a quarter of a second before it's thrown. Spider tack and steroids however should be met with much serious punishments. I'm curious what the pitchers were using on their balls in 2017-2019, considering Trevor Bauer earned the scorn of MLB for calling them out for it. I bet Verlander has been loading the ball with tack for most of his career. Umps should be testing the balls way more often, and give them half a season suspension for their first offense. Yeah, I'm mad that Zack Greinke has pitched better than all these other pitchers of the past 20 years, but hasn't gotten the credit because he's one of the very, very, very, few in MLB not using tack.

[@ygf377]

The problem with sticky stuff and steroids is that everyone was using it so you can't say that cheating is a unfair dissadvantage. That said the numbers show that sign stealing isn't very effective which is likely why the team stpoed doing it

[@xstros9086]

if you aint cheatin are you really trying?

[@thecaveman3503]

To long fell asleep

[@SconnerStudios]

@@thecaveman3503 *two

[@Sophiagracedent07]

getting my popcorn ready for the comments 🍿

[@nomorefielders]

Make sure it’s extra salty

[@2013claybuchholz]

Still a little shaken up at the news that Jed lowrie was an Astro

[@nomorefielders]

The support group meets every Tuesday

[@commandershepard4471]

Im a lifelong Stros fan. I remember as a child my bedtime was when Brad Lidge came up to pitch. The fact that the Stros are used as a scapegoat for cheating in the MLB is wild. So many teams cheated and “got away with it” over the years such as the Yankees/Reds/Giants/Jankees. I love baseball but Good Lord, so many teams want every advantage they get and some scrape by and some get caught red handed. That’s how it works.

[@SenorTortas]

I'm so sorry you had to go through that

[@bmac4]

Gaylord Perry admitted to cheating and got in the HoF. We had that whole spidertack incident. I don't like the Astros, but it's not because of the cheating, cause who cares that much about that? So many teams benefitted from the steroid era, it'd be kinda hypocritical. They got their punishment, it probably should have been more than it was, but anyone up in arms about serious moral complications obviously hasn't watched this sport for very long, it's not something I'm gonna spend that much time dwelling on.

[@Mr.DerekReese]

​@@bmac4outta curiosity, why don't you like the Astros anyway?

[@Aspect46]

Id love to see the WS Royals pls❤

[@nomorefielders]

Deal. I’ll take any excuse I can get to talk about Edinson Volquez

[@Aspect46]

@@nomorefielders thank you !!

[@fearthebeardfootballchanne2505]

So what you're trying to say is my team would have gave up a game-winning Grand slam to a team whose core reason for cheating was with their pitching. I really appreciate the content you're pushing out, but I want you to understand as a Yankees fan, as a very unbiased Yankee fan that was our year. We took them to 7 and they still cheated. Give us a level playing ground and we stomp them.

[@MrPooly1459]

My thoughts exactly.

[@bradenstewart6270]

Sponsorship No Fielders looking like Rock Star Jesus on his way to Jerusalem

[@nomorefielders]

He’s gonna suffer the same fate as him if he keeps doing my ad reads without my permission.

[@Smarod]

I'm a man of few words ao all I'll say is I'm hype

[@MrHow2fail]

No chance we beat NY with that bullpen

[@Zacg01]

I feel personally victimized by No More Fielders

[@nomorefielders]

I think I pretended that I was talking to you during the Keuchel rant

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

One little voice is calling me

[@thebeatleswin1]

Damn, So they cheated and made that world series win meaningless and probably didn’t have to? What a bunch of idiots.

[@YanksJetsRangers]

1:21 I don’t think you can say this when the series went to game 7

[@lifeisboss7097]

the astros could of forfeited 3 games for fun and still won that series. as a padres fan I know that run differential or any of that BS matters. If you can't score runs every other game, dont expect to be over 500

[@glovepro1256]

OK Astros fans… they didn’t need to cheat. HOWEVER, they did. The fact that they had a good team doesn’t mean they can cheat and be excused for it.

[@beckettschuchts4275]

the only reason this astros team gets such a bad reputation for this stuff that other teams have done to is because of how stupid and obvious the trash can shit is

[@WhatHappenedtoBaseball]

2:27 who is this guy??

[@nomorefielders]

A dead man

[@jbryant5253]

That RHCP rap sample is 🔥🔥🔥

[@naihuakuo]

didnt need to, but did anyways

[@freddyandfoxy7526]

You probably right about that. But they decided to be idiots and said oh we should cheat.

[@shoukatsukai]

Hun they were the only ones to be dumb enough to get caught. Stop believing they were the only ones doing it

[@intune252]

@@shoukatsukai bro they had a fucking illegal camera in center field😂find me evidence of other teams having one that isn't just he said she said(and don't tell me the yankees or red sox because they didn't install a fucking camera and trash cans just to cheat)

[@shoukatsukai]

@@intune252 it doesn't matter the method they use, all 3 teams were caught cheating using cameras. So who's not to say they were the only 3 teams were doing it

[@shoukatsukai]

I need a video on how the 2019 Astros were the best team ever to not win the World Series

[@wesleyantrim6648]

They’re not even the best team in my lifetime to not win the World Series. The A’s in both 1988 and 1990 take that honor.

[@shoukatsukai]

@@wesleyantrim6648 -124 team wRC+ is the 2nd best in the integration era behind this year's Braves - 7 guys had an OPS+ over 120 -Their number 1 and 2 starting pitchers were Top 2 Cy Young finishers, way ahead of the other finishers. -Their number 3 was a Hall of Famer at the tail end of his prime The A's teams from 1990 comes the closest but its not particularly comparable. Also Bob Welch shouldn't have won Cy Young over Roger Clemens that year.

[@rico9163]

@@wesleyantrim6648 statistically this is not true, and I can't go off of "the eye test" since I wasn't alive then

[@witgiz]

nice vid, sorry i’m late

[@nomorefielders]

No worries, Witgiz

[@KOCChristian]

Feel like too many dumb casual just screaming cheating automatically makes you winner. When it’s combination of skill and cheating.

[@intune252]

Real Yankee fans know the reason we lost is because we scored 3 runs in 4 games in Houston it's pretty simple. Thing is that there's always fallacy of predetermined outcome and losing to cheaters is gonna make you feel bitter. But 2022 made me and a lot of fans realize it wasn't the cheating that made us lose, because between 2017 and 2022, Judge was the only hitter that remained, yet it felt like I was watching the same team. And of course Brian Cashman will find some way to blame his team's inability to win when it matters on anything that doesn't involve him and his giga 1 million IQ brain, idk why you're surprised about that. But yeah any sane Yankees fan will tell you we were close and it hurts to lose but our offense collapsed and we lost. Dodgers though got absolutely robbed, I remember telling my friend the day after game 5 that the game was so dramatic and perfect it almost seemed scripted. Sucks for them

[@tomcruze7898]

Yea they did 😂😂

[@dafttassia1960]

That year's didgers were unbelievable. Would have beaten them for sure

[@G_54-GMG]

Game 2 and Game 7 say otherwise.

[@jasonfire3434]

@@G_54-GMGif not for that ridiculous Game 5 we win in 6

[@joshdelagarza231]

Personally I’m glad they cheated. I admire a team that’s willing to do whatever it takes to win, even if it means breaking the rules.

[@danielcapece782]

Must be a trashtros fan.

[@nomorefielders]

As you can tell by my Chipper Jones poster and my Braves Outkast bobblehead

[@2013claybuchholz]

Still a little shaken up at the news that Jed lowrie was an Astro

[@callumcameron7983]

Oakland Legend

[@Opnicop]

Astro 2x 2nd time couldn’t stay healthy so Correa got called up