The 2017 Honda Civic Si: Is it worth buying?

What's up Everybody!! Thank you so much for 1,000 Subscribers! I could not have done it without you :) Today I Review the 2017 Honda Civic Si! With a 1.5L Turbo Charged engine, it makes the car very controversial for leaving the glorious VTEC engine. So the real question is... is it any good? Let's find out!

[@mynmisoli]

This dude rambles on and on and on. Whenever you think he's actually gonna start driving the car, he just starts talking about himself again. Couldn't finish the video he was so annoying.

[@jev2867]

Fuck man, drive the damn car!

[@blexy350]

a review of a car is not all just driving. That is for a different type of video -___-

[@mynmisoli]

VQ3713 agreed. However if youre gonna spend 7 1/2 minutes out of 11 1/2 minutes yapping before u start driving, you've better be funny or entertaining. Neither of which this guy is.

[@jev2867]

VQ3713 I understand that and that wasn't the problem. Problem was, the indication that he was about to drive it not once not twice but like 4 times.

[@AnJuice219]

driving starts at 8 min in a 11 min vid. mentions driving it at 2:40. props to this guy

[@madchillerofficial]

the mere fact that he used V-Tech instead of VTEC tells you how much you should listen to his review.

[@stevee.oneder891]

I agree

[@davidnicdao4554]

Did he just say “... a four-door coupe”? LMFAOOOO 🤣

[@ItsTurbo72]

"4 door coupe"

[@SpaceAce1993]

Twin Turbocharged Gaming 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@catmeme4life220]

kinda like Mercedz cla250 ? the dimension of the civic sedan and coupe is quit alike

[@tsdobbi]

@@boolji A coupe, by definition is a 2 door vehicle not 4.

[@AnJuice219]

how dare they brand the car with their dealership name. thats a no go.

[@TorqueJunkies]

I guess is a dealer practice

[@deagaric4765]

AndrewIRL I agree. I would never buy a car that has dealership branding. I refuse to advertise their company for free, especially after already paying them dealer fees.

[@chorseundgrd]

Dea Garic blow dryer and some fishing line or your finger tip. It comes off easy. I've taken dealer badges off of every car I've owned. Takes like 15-20 mins

[@jtorres1486]

You tell them and they will remove it. Just communicate with them. They could care less.

[@PS3Dragonblood]

@@jtorres1486 Yes, but I would prefer doing it myself so that I make sure I don't scratch my brand new car. I bought a brand new car back in 2003 and the dealer did the same thing. They put their badge on it and it really pissed me off. They traded the car with another dealership and the same day put their badge on. They only had the car a few hours. I told them I wanted it removed so they did, but scratched the paint in the process. Fuck that!

[@gabepettinicchio7454]

I'll wave as I pass you by at your VW dealer waiting for your GTI repair.

[@TorqueJunkies]

Gabe Pettinicchio I guess you didn't watch the whole review because I talked about how much I liked the Si so cheers 🍻

[@bman1668]

Yea have fun at ur local stealership getting your car fixed every other month, no thanks but I’ll take Japanese over German . Unless I’m filthy rich then I’ll buy AMG GT

[@anthonycrutcher6048]

Been driving this for a couple months and I think it’s a very under appreciated car. It’s no track demon it’s a FUN daily driver with room to tune. I get great fuel economy, a drivers seat I ENJOY being in, easy clutch and transmission that doesn’t make you want to die in traffic. A lsd from factory, a more rigid body, great suspension set up, you can’t beat the value. It’s very light for its size which yes does mean you give up the luxurious touch of heavy interiors but it isn’t trying to be a Mercedes. It’s surprisingly quick stock with $2k you can really blow yourself (and others ;) away

[@juancristales8322]

Thank for the review. It was great. I own a 2009 Si and I'm in the market for a new Si but wasn't sure if it's worth it. Knowing that you are a GTI fan and are use to the higher horse power, listening to you say that it's worth it to buy makes me want to definitely get one. Well at least take one for a test drive. Keep it up! Just subscribed

[@TorqueJunkies]

+Juan Cristales thank you! The 09 body style was the last body style I really liked until this one and it really is a ton of fun to drive! Thank you for subscribing, I'll keep posting fresh content every week :)

[@heymarjorie1574]

Hey! Thank you for this fun to watch review! I recently purchased a civic coupe 2019 SI and have been watching everything can about this car. Stumbled on you and while it's for 2017, I still got some great info. Thank you! And i love your candor and enthusiasm! Oh, and PS: i traded in a GTI 2016 for my Honda Civic coupe...yes, i have less HP (2-5 vs 220?) however, repairs will be next to nothing with a Honda. Hence my decision. Honda's are the best and only car to own. IMP.

[@jayczyzyk9707]

Did u learn yo shift on a tractor?

[@RaphaelYC]

It doesn't have xenon headlight

[@arnoldsimage]

Thanks for the review. Nice job.

[@TorqueJunkies]

arnoldsimage you're welcome! Thank you!

[@sergiof9162]

Does talk a lot but you can tell he is putting in a lot of effort in his videos. Great review, happy you enjoyed the SI. I thought you were going to hate it haha

[@paulstabin6233]

I have 21,000 miles on the exact car model you reviewed and love it! The torque is there, but the best thing about it performance-wise is the handling - which is the best of any SI thanks to the limited slip and adjustable dampers and steering response. Not to mention great brakes and killer seats. For an all round daily driver under $30K, let alone under $25K loaded, no real comp. I test drove both tg he Focus RS and Subaru WRX and horsepower and awd lost out to the way the SI felt. Natural, whether being pushed or cruising. The shifter on the SI is better than the WRX. The seats and visibility better than the RS. The reliability way better. Mileage, space, insurance, as ll better. Price? A decently equipped WRX is $32 K. RS az bout $42K. I barely get a chance to let the SI stretch its legs, what the heck do I need another 60 or 145 hp for ? But great handling I can enjoy all the time.

[@honda116969]

I agree with you I have a 2019 only had it for months and already have 6,000 miles I love my SI sedan I put ktuner on it it seemed to help out the power but I don't even turn to boost up that high (just a reflash) it's just a nice feeling car all the way around.. Type R is way to boy racer looking for me & Overkill with power. Si is right up my alley

[@HiMyNameIsJonathan]

I absolutely agree bro. I own the 18 sedan and love the car. I’ve spent dozens of hours looking at aftermarket parks but will probably keep it stock

[@dominicancheif117]

Does this ca suffer from the oil dilution issue?

[@reaperactualgaming3075]

@@dominicancheif117 i have an '18 si coupe and i havent noticed any major issues with oil dilution. Just remember to change your oil every 3-4k miles and you'll be fine.

[@luisrosales9349]

You drive a shitty Honda that’s slow

[@2kamakashi2]

The sounds is not that bad, but it will never beat the sound of the old si. The v-Tec gave to the si a unique sound and it was way more aggressive. I think they should keep the 2.4 L V-Tec

[@motorcitymanman7711]

The New Civic IS VTECH

[@osmarcastro6000]

I just bought this car a couple days ago nd its not so bad , its fast nd saves alot of gas..

[@TorqueJunkies]

Glad you are happy, can't beat Honda quality!!

[@mikefahy482]

2 door or 4 door?

[@brokentradgedy]

No it's not fast stock...my 8th gen felt faster....but I got a Ktuner with a stage 1 tune which puts out 235 whp and 285 tq on a completely stock engine and now it feels amazing!! Will eat wrx's like nothing now

[@Hollywoodintx]

How’s that Honda coming along?

[@madyariel9014]

shift to 2nd , and burnt 3 years of clutch life

[@alexross5620]

Great blog about the SI for 2019 they come standard with LED headlights and the 1.5 SI platform is very tuner friendly plr hondata K Pro 27 won you can make that car a rocket ship for under five grand I love those wagons but you get that kind of horsepower and those kind of times you have to spend double the money the best bang for your buck and have a major community that support you the Honda hands down is the winner

[@geraldopacheco99]

The steering wheel doesn’t have the si logo anymore

[@hiramrosajr8231]

Not good review if you alreaddy start biased

[@xTheNameisEthan]

Pretty big fan of my 9th gen, it’s got all the modern day comforts but it still feels raw enough to really have fun in

[@panamera53]

Please put time stamps for exterior, interior, driving portion thank you

[@Luis.M.Castillo]

How's the cabin noise while on the road?

[@spoton3278]

Not sure why reviewers keep saying it has Xenon or LED headlights. They're definitely halogen projectors.

[@ak2112]

Takes a turn at 25mph and says there's understeer. Come on man.

[@spawnsi5018]

Do u review custom cars? Cause I'm in spring hill fl and would love for u to review my custom 2014 si

[@TorqueJunkies]

Spawn SI heck yeah I would!! Send me an email and we can swap numbers. [e-mail]

[@bodystomp5302]

I intend to purchase a 2019 Si coupe at the end of this year, probably between Thanksgiving and Christmas. I'll shave about four grand off MSRP and see which dealer says yes. The car will be on clearance and I'll get a deal.

[@moody4145]

You had me dead when you said "but my book is small"

[@slykwdt]

just bought a 2008 si, nice video!

[@TorqueJunkies]

Im Reed the 2008 was is beautiful!

[@mrlewis4946]

Hell yeah I have a black 08 si sedan with only 40k miles

[@TorqueJunkies]

Im Reed nice! That's low miles for a 9 year old car!

[@GuillermoMartinez-ic9rk]

Im looking for honda civic si 2008 .. i have a 2008 lx .

[@MellyP1]

Im getting my first car next month which is gonna be a 2018 honda civic si with factory upgrades ima be paying almost $34,000 for it

[@joemonaco3558]

The car dynos, around 215 220 at the wheels , along with the trq, the car does not make 205 hp, stock , FYI

[@kangzuko]

still love my rsx type s

[@jessicarafic4023]

Mine was stolen, so I bought this in a 2019 2 door. Fast, but not quite the same feel. The RSX flew like a two stoke bike .

[@rrplanb4030]

It's a Turbo so remaps will be available.

[@TorqueJunkies]

Yep, thanks for the comment!

[@rrplanb4030]

Just stating the obvious bro.

[@rrplanb4030]

They should really make a Type R in this coupe body too. That is something that has to happen soon if Honda are listening..? Then we can all legally have the 2 door Type R we all wanted if we are being honest. Peace. R.

[@HazyMocha]

what's that dripping under the car around the beginning. Hopefully, none of the fluids

[@johnnyturbo8460]

Were you driving it in sport mode?

[@Reaper1008]

Never been a big fan of Civic, but I do like the exposed look in front, with the intercooler..

[@TorqueJunkies]

+James Hurt yeah me too, I like it better in the 2 door

[@orlandojacinto1]

Front looks good. Overall it's a nice reliable car for the price point.

[@orlandojacinto1]

My friend owns a 2014 Civic no issues. It's been awhile since I've owned a Honda (98 Prelude). I do see more Hyundai cars on the road.

[@WonTTree]

rosamel palo Seems to me that you have bad luck with cars.

[@subielife4life]

Couldn't the civic si be tuned to make like 250hp? That kind of power would be fantastic and might even feel more balanced then a type R.....or maybe I'm just tripping

[@TorqueJunkies]

Considering the hp today, I think you are right!

[@calebdemember5090]

They got these new si's doing 4.3 0-60 nowadays with just a tune, down pipe, and fx400 clutch. These things can keep up with srts easy.

[@BenHayat]

This car isn't really about torque and power. It's more about suspension and driving style. Honda could have made it cheaper by not offering a bunch of gadgets that many people don't want in a sport car. People want to drive this hard. Or for the same price, they should have put the 2.0 in with no gadgets. If you want both, get 2018 GTI Sport.

[@catmeme4life220]

coupe looks really cool

[@kevs2good133]

Just got a white 2018 Si coupe 😁😁

[@paulscillia1274]

Do you still like it? Any issues?

[@relate97]

Hated white love my green

[@icecreamalacarte]

@Not Ikea Type R white's always a clean choice

[@homedepot1289]

Nice!! I’m getting my soon can’t wait!!!

[@honda116969]

Congrats dude! Woohoo mine is modern steel. I like white a lot

[@jakerz1185]

You can get more HP with upgrades which is what every civic SI goes through Get hondata for like 30 more hp with +6 I think

[@TorqueJunkies]

+Jacob Ash oh wow! That's a really good point and something I wanted to mention but forgot lol these cars are meant to be upgraded

[@zombipandaa9594]

True

[@motorcitymanman7711]

BUT......u have to upgrade the clutch because the extra torque and hp of a tune WILL cause the clutch to slip and eventually go out......HONDA clutches are soft.

[@motorcitymanman7711]

Front isn't bad cuz the driving lights break up the HUGE fake vents but the rear fake vents are MASSIVE on the sedan, much smaller on the SI Coupe, that's why I got the coupe.

[@Phoenix21324]

They look nice but too little power for me to be interested in getting one.

[@TorqueJunkies]

Josh Urbach yeah I here you. The shifter though is very impressive

[@zombipandaa9594]

Josh Urbach bro u can upgrade them tho

[@Idahoridge]

Ktuner or Hondata tunes change these cars dramatically. Custom tunes even better. These motors can make a lot of power with just bolt ons. I have a 2020 and love it.

[@Phoenix21324]

@@Idahoridge LOL I forget even making this comment three years ago, funny thing is I ended up buying a 2019 Civic Type R about a year and a half ago now which is close enough to this. I had a 2016 infiniti Q50 red sport when i made this comment. I understand where you're coming from as well, I was just talking about keeping it stock I believe

[@o.rgarage9660]

The new civic looks like a wrx hatchback right?

[@TorqueJunkies]

pedro’s life hmm I see it in the bulky body

[@lifeofhardknocks.3280]

People complaing of clutch slipping from just installing the ktuner. Out the gates good little fun car.

[@aurelioduarte-encinas8211]

The high revving engine in the previous generation made it a joy to drive, not a burden, as it appears you believe to be the case.

[@southbayla3137]

Hell yea it's worth buying

[@TorqueJunkies]

it is a nice car, and Honda quality!

[@zombipandaa9594]

Yep haha

[@zombipandaa9594]

I am getting one so

[@motorcitymanman7711]

Is the Civic SI worth buying?? Is Kate Upton worth banging??

[@Jeremy-io4hm]

That poor trans. You need to practice running a standard shift.

[@geoXedge]

video was an ok watch, just one comment, you cant say anything about the civic only having 205 hp and say youre a gti fan when the gti had 200 horse power for close to 10 years.

[@TorqueJunkies]

+geoXedge I here what you are saying even with the GTI they are a little behind the curb in power compared to Ford and Subaru

[@ThePinoyMamba]

Si for the Win

[@Skeetacus3]

Hell gonna get one all white in three months

[@TorqueJunkies]

All white looks nice with the black accents!

[@Skidz1818]

99 best SI of all time

[@jponz85]

Yes! Good times man good times... too bad even in today's day that car is a thief magnet

[@fakegibsonssuck7755]

Skidz1818 I had a 99 SI, and now a 16 EXT and you're on fucking Crack..... The 99 was like 130 HP, get real dude.

[@techshark7477]

100% yes, it is worth buying the Civic Si, bro! Or get the Acura. They are nice too.

[@aqwasianazzazzin]

fakegibsonssuck 160HP*

[@HiMyNameIsJonathan]

fakegibsonssuck if you care only about HP you’re on crack you ricer. The 99-2000 si is the best one of all.

[@jonskigonski4415]

I got the same car but in red. I honestly love the new si. Coming from a E.G. & D.c. the new si is a awseome machine

[@TorqueJunkies]

+Jonski Gonski it's a nice car and I'm in love with the gear box 😍

[@jonskigonski4415]

Shifter the best bro solid . Simply perfection

[@southbayla3137]

I THINK I SEE A 2 DOOR 2 SEATER FWD HONDA TURBO IN THE FUTURE.

[@tonym9450]

38 mpg highway tho

[@TorqueJunkies]

+Ton M for real!

[@clemsonpatriot5656]

I have gotten as high as 48 mpg highway cruising in sixth gear at 80 mph.

[@boomshakalaka8054]

Clemson Patriot video or it didn't happen ! that's amazing if it is so !

[@ahmedashfaq1186]

Ton M with premium gas though!

[@e5m956]

I can vouch 48+mpg highway as long as you're easy and not going up hill. Even the slightest incline will drop your mpg by a lot! My work commute I get 37 there but I've gotten up to 50mpg on the way back (mostly down grade).

[@MellyP1]

That si doesn’t have any factory upgrades, it looks lame AF just like that, but if u get the package it’ll look better and more sporty

[@valentino2019]

Good thing i still have my 1993 civic still runs like a clock

[@zombipandaa9594]

Pretty fast for that price

[@janellmiramontes5793]

Wahooo!!!!

[@TorqueJunkies]

Janell DiMattina thank you Honey!!

[@zombipandaa9594]

205 is actually fast plus you can add twin turbo and more power so the max would be about 300

[@ethanl8914]

ZomBipandaa twin turbo is irrelevant on this car, a bigger upgraded single turbo is the route to go and prl made 350hp with the type r turbo on the si with some e85

[@Mr_Chris77]

Oil dilution kicked in yo!!!

[@captainjack6890]

The moment he said he was going to be judging it harshly (instead of being unbiased) I stopped watching

[@southbayla3137]

I think OK your subaru and ford rs reviews you are going to start saying with its competitors now and relating it to the honda.

[@francoisdebuyl3715]

This guy is pro GTI let us talk about the gti reliabilty

[@subielife4life]

Si seats look much better then the red ones in the type r

[@TorqueJunkies]

Appreciate your feedback!!!

[@djs18]

Lol no they don't.

[@techpappee]

I wouldn't compare the SI to a GTI. Maybe a GLI, it not a hatchback. Sedan or Coupe only. The R is the GTI (hatchback) competitor. The typeR is also closer to the same price range.

[@swift23219]

Rondal Childers I would say the Golf R is the competitor for the Type R

[@Neadlemeyer]

These cars Dyno bone stock 201 HP 212 torques AT THE WHEEL... thats 235hp 245 torques at the crank

[@Sir.Munoz.1117]

Funny the type r doesnt have heated seats or sun roof

[@kevinli5479]

David Munoz type r with heated seats and sun roof? lmfao, because it's for performance and track

[@Sir.Munoz.1117]

李政杰 heated seats and a sunroof dont really take away from any of that as far as weight or draw.

[@kevinli5479]

David Munoz that's why type r doesn't have em

[@Svsqvz]

6:17 a four door coupe really dude smh

[@ramirezomar91]

Salvador Vasquez lmao!

[@JujutsuHeiho]

Takes corner at slow speed "Hmmm yeah it has a little bit of understeer" wtf... lol.

[@motorcitymanman7711]

Its underrated by HONDA The SI dynos at about 205 at the rear wheel which means its about 220-225 at the crank!!!

[@cpg1388]

Motorcityman Man it’s fwd

[@GSXR-1000]

C PG 🤣🤣😩😩😩

[@leonwaltemate6152]

Front wheel drive.

[@motorcitymanman7711]

@cpg1388 Still some loss to the wheels

[@ElReySupr3me]

This dude doesn't race 3:05 lol

[@thefives7ar]

if you go to race someone at a red light does it really matter if it's a regular civic or an SI? Either way, you are going to get absolutely smoked by the majority of cars on the road.

[@TorqueJunkies]

Thanks for the input

[@sanamach10]

have you ever driven a civic? compare that to an old focus, a corolla, etc. civic is faster than many many cars on the road.

[@salty_terminal_civilian5374]

Sarah L many normal cars, good luck against mine or any of my friends. Even my buddies 589 hp civic gets beat. Til we hit curves then he destroys us 😬 but never a straight line.

[@salty_terminal_civilian5374]

Sarah L yes many commuter cars but where I live there's just a bunch of sports cars. Hondas around here even molded aren't beating shit, and I owned a mugen si. I knew who not to race.

[@salty_terminal_civilian5374]

Sarah L it feels fast because it's lightweight and fun to drive. Have you ever driven an actually fast car?

[@Sir.Munoz.1117]

My opinion: its a honda meaning ENTRY level performance...not mercedes v12 bi turbo level.

[@chrisspooner5404]

FUCKKKKKKK THE VOLUME BUTTON, I have a civic ext, and I hate hate hate that. Everything else is Probably the highest in its class the civic has ever put out.

[@TorqueJunkies]

Chris Spooner definitely the best quality Civic

[@Shadylurker85]

Much better looking than the previous models? What kind of drugs is this guy on?

[@cruzjando]

RIP XXXtentacion

[@brunodiaz6196]

These cars are meant to be upgraded imo

[@joshuaeverage2631]

Why do people say "only 205hp" 9th gen si's make 174WHP... these 10th gen si's make 201WHP HOW IS THAT SAME?!?!?!. Do your research people.

[@nubfishin9152]

I agree 100%. 201 whp stock is respectable for under 25k. Even non si's are putting out 190whp.

[@andypacmanperez]

Joshua Everage 9th made 205 to the crank as well do your research lol

[@andypacmanperez]

Torque is the difference

[@joshuaeverage2631]

andre perez lol yes 205 to the crank and 174 to the wheels... what's your point???

[@joshuaeverage2631]

andre perez new si's advertised at 205 hp to the crank... has 201 hp to the wheels... Honda underrated big time... and yes lot more torque in the new si

[@jhaha389]

many people pay to remove the badges. fan boys get more badges and people who have the best design taste remove them. so glad they didn't put badges on the sides that would have looked horrible. The car is mean't for the casual driver or the person who cant afford something expense to slowly wants to upgrade. The volume control on the touch screen sucks.

[@adidas1984x]

Do they make the si in a hatch? I'm torn between the si sedan or the exl turbo

[@TorqueJunkies]

+adidas1984x that's a good question about the hatch. I'm not sure if it does. I would drive both. I know a lot of people that really like the exl turbo and don't want to upgrade

[@stevevang03]

adidas1984x Nop, no si hatch :(

[@TorqueJunkies]

stevevang03 dang :(

[@David-vg8ou]

They do make a two door coupe but no hatch

[@chrisreilly4006]

The fuck is this guy talking about. A civic si is meant to LIVE in the higher RPMs. That what makes the tech so fun!!

[@panamera53]

For us that came for the driving portion go to 8:00

[@jakefrom1]

The 2018 Honda Civic si, "which is nice"

[@sveddish]

In Canada, the Si comes std with premium LED headlights. Why does Honda shit on the US?

[@8000RPMS]

by the way.....you claimed to be a GTI "fan" and yet did not mentioned and comparisons to the SI.....but i noticed how much you were salivating over the pathetic "performance" of the SI.......i wonder why????

[@y4n9zt3r86]

Rather buy type R

[@jonathanluthren9057]

Comparing it to a VW? Why are you comparing apples to oranges lol. That's not the target demographic for that vehicle. The Civic Type R was the demographic pointed towards the VW. In that which case it destroys it on the track.

[@TorqueJunkies]

+Jonathan Luthren you mean the Golf R. The GTI is comparable.

[@jonathanluthren9057]

Torque Junkies I didn't name a VW. But yes. I am in agreement with you and yes that is basically what I meant.

[@TorqueJunkies]

Jonathan Luthren I agree. Golf R is in another class. The type R in its own class lol

[@dopey0682]

Vw.... lololol

[@TheoRhoades]

front is nice...but wtf with the rear!!!

[@haonansun7933]

Who tell u civic si is performance car？

[@NINJUNK00]

Why don't you buy a used v6 Accord coupe with a stick you get like 260hp for $15k

[@PurpleHeartVR]

because it's not new.

[@alj7094]

because it's not riced out.

[@NINJUNK00]

Purple Heart they still make the well until 2016

[@ShineLikeaProAZ]

The 2017 Hyundai Elantra Sport mt goes 0 to 60 in 6.5 sec and the dual clutch automatic goes 0 to 60 in 6.1 sec. The Hyundai Elantra Sport is also cheaper. I test drove the mt and it was fast.

[@TorqueJunkies]

Thanks for the input!

[@jayczyzyk9707]

no lsd poor track traction

[@nmarkus666]

jay czyzyk tracking a sporty economy car lol

[@vintimv001]

No. I rather have a K20 TURBO V TEC ENGINE

[@TorqueJunkies]

Thanks for the input

[@tonyherman806]

Badges? We don't need no stinking badges... people will know. :-)

[@vozimtraktor2810]

6:18 4 door coupe? its a hatchback.....

[@armandof469]

It's a sedan

[@unicronswagbf2799]

You should have written down what you wanted to say before doing this, you're all over the place.

[@Playb0ymari]

It’s a Honda at the end of the day. It’s not a super car.

[@dannyb20vtec28]

They new civics don't make much hp from factory but they have lots of torque..I'll just stick with my b20 thanks anyways Honda haha

[@TorqueJunkies]

Thanks for the comment!

[@daniel022209]

Honda dropped ths ball. They put a turbocharged VTEC engine in the first generation Acura RDX. Why couldnt they refine that engine and place it in this model like they did fir the 9th gen Si when they took the K24 otut of the Acura TSX?This is a watered down Si, to me.