The 26 Acre Maker Shop Part 2: K&T and Cincinnati Milling Machines

[@zakksrage]

Turnwright machine works is the number one stop for machining knowledge

[@highkicker11]

just love how the universal mill looks going backwards till you slow it down. such a nice shutter effect.

Beautiful farm you have! My farm, along with the family's sits at 7248 ft above sea level in the beautiful state of Jalisco, Mexico. Tequila County! We're cattle ranchers and beekeepers!

[@pauljoseph8338]

Been watching your videos for years, Adam. Before you were working at Motion, and waaay before you met Abbie. You were very serious back then. So good to see you happy and content with the life you’ve created for yourself. Hard work pays off. Congrats.

[@millomweb]

Maybe life wasn't so good for him back then ?

[@crocketteerden6240]

I worked at K&T renewment division for years and worked on many of these beauties. Real work horses. Nice fid.

[@tedmiles2110]

You have to love those K & T mills; whatever model they are! TM long time listener

[@SteveSummers]

Nice machine 😁👍. I love those old K&T mills. They are about as industrial as they get. They also have a look that is hard to beat.

[@jamesdonndelinger1522]

Grab it! The 4H is essentially a 3K with a #4 table. For your work it is a far better machine than the S Series - no comparison as far as serious milling is concerned - a 50% overload is no problem! Jim Donndelinger, K&T retired.

[@millomweb]

No spindle reverse switch ? Really ??

[@kentuckytrapper780]

@@millomweb mine has a pull button for reverse, model k 2 universal.

[@skmetal7]

it would be great in the new shop!

[@millomweb]

@@kentuckytrapper780 Is that a mechanical reverse ? I've a feeling I've seen that control - like a T handle to get a finger either side of the shaft you pull ?

[@littlejackalo5326]

@@truthbetold2914 you still here whining? You are so jealous that he doesn't have to punch a time card.

[@philipallard8026]

Thank you Lance for sharing your shop and farm. Abom, you need one of those mills.

[@nothing2loud]

Fun to watch you two guys together, seems like guys get along great and like the same things.

[@Sumphuka]

Hey Adam. Just wanted to say I love your channel and vids. I wish I'd have known more about this stuff as a kid when I was choosing my path at school. Would love to get involved in the industry, but suppose I have to live it vicariously through channels like yours now. Thanks a lot fella.

[@mattWallJsy]

Those K&T machines are fantastic. It will look much better in your shop, than Lance's though. 😎👌🏼

[@kensherwin4544]

Better in a shop than in a fence row.

[@Bones6987]

Excellent video Saw that same type machinery in a stamping plant I worked in for 18 years Ran a cutter like that making Press Brake dies and shoes for punch press Definitely some great times Thanks for the videos

[@tomasjosefvela1]

what great friends you both have! Thanks for sharing all the creativity and friendship. It's good to see positivity in the current climate.

[@BobOBob]

In case that K&T lacks a parking attachment, there's a series of YT videos out there somewhere . . . I learned a lot from those, and got hooked on that guy's channel.

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

After a good scrub and rinse this has real value if everything isn't too worn or sloppy. Nice visit to a great fellows farm/shop. ✌

[@matthewperlman3356]

That K&T looks like a real beast! if it's not worn out you should go for it if you can.

[@thomaschandler8036]

Good videos, thanks Lance for letting us see your shop and farm. I know y'all enjoyed Abbie and Adam's visit. We all did.

[@bulletproofpepper2]

Yep all my brother-in-laws love for me to visit too! Get stuff fixed all worked out. Thanks for sharing!

[@grahamstretch6863]

I used to run a vertical mill version of the Milwaukee mill in a little factory on the Isle of Wight England, that thing was a beast and I loved running it! It was date stamped 1940, we believe it came over on lend lease during WWII!

[@robc3056]

so so good to see it not scrapped..

[@stanwooddave9758]

Watch them doggo's run after the food. Such fun. Thanks for sharing. Big thank you to Lance.

[@geraldharvill4699]

I know nothing about these machines. I always been amazed when you flip switches to Unknown machines. And the beast spring to life.

[@sinisatrlin840]

Great machine. I purchased TOS FN25 on internet auction 15 years ago with not working feeds, same thing happened to that guy, he was running it backwards and could not engage feeds. He got angry and threw it i auction right away without thinking. Now i have mint condition milling machine with vertical head, slotting head, stiff and universal table for 1500Euros, full price with shipping from central Germany. Best deal i ever had, it is so quiet that everyone is amazed, when i retire it is going with me to my home garage.

[@toms.3977]

That was a good video. Like comfort food for the soul. Thanks, Adam.

[@ricko5123]

I love that you have the power on your Y on that K&T. I wish my K&T2d had that built into it, and I heard there is another one of us K&T2d owners out there that actually have that...Don't wait to long for picking it up, Adam... Good thing you know Lance so he holds it for you...Njoy them machines guys... Ricko

[@larrysmurthwaite773]

Ok, I got fooled! I seriously thought this was your new property and I had somehow missed the building going up. I’m old.

[@lynxpardinus2352]

Beautiful machine ! Hello desde cordoba (Andalucia ,España)

[@olddawgdreaming5715]

Always a good time with friends, thanks for sharing with us. Fred.

[@jeffreypeters8446]

Feeding the cows was great! What a way to end the 2 part series!

[@explorationuk6737]

I just can't wait to see you bring this machine back to Adam spec ..we all know youl do a more than perfect job of it ..you see by far one of the more meticulous gents I watch...it's dream viewing buddy it really is ... Peace n love from Cumbria UK 🇬🇧 ❤

[@millomweb]

Some years ago (back half of the 1990s) when newsgroups were a thing in the Internet, I got to know a few names from some of the groups. One year, I went on holiday to south coast of France - cheap coach trip. I'd taken my fold-up Brompton bike. Got off the coach - and there was another guy with a Brompton. Turned out that I knew him from the Internet ! So of course one day in the week we went on a bike ride together. Odd how things like that turn out. We've just watched a video of people enjoying machines in Florida - and I'm in Millom, where are you ?

[@explorationuk6737]

@@millomweb over in barrow buddy

[@millomweb]

@@explorationuk6737 6 miles away - as the chips fly ! Can you recommend any metal fabricators there - I need some metal gates making & installing - I need quotes. I e-mailed St Andrews engineering - got no response ! Have you been in B.L. Gilbert - machine tools supplies ? I've not but my dad must have - back when the phone code was 0229 !

[@MoraFermi]

Gotta love that reverse spin cutter on the Cincinnati, eating that metal all backwards!

[@tomahoks]

Seems like it but it ain’t.

[@BCHonea]

You should start a 26 acre machining school bro, I would love nothing more than to have a teacher like you

[@Abom79]

Lance and I have toyed around with the idea of possibly having some small private classes.

[@rodneykiemele4721]

Those were two great videos, Thank You very much, Adam and Lance.

[@Biokemist-o3k]

I love Florida!! I went to USF and I am planning on moving back from PA to Tampa to start a welding and machine shop for restoring old Porsches, Ferraris and Lambos..and a bunch of other stuff including fabricating all sorts of stuff.

[@xenonram]

I went to USF too. Never hear of anyone talking about it.

[@carlwhite8225]

That was a great video series, thanks Adam.

[@paulpipitone8357]

Cant Waite for Adam to get his new property finished

[@ricko5123]

Lance you will Love your ProtoTrak and get real use to it quick. My knee mills were manual and also the Bridgeport 3 axis EZTRACKs with the full blown large color monitors and the joy wand. Of course they are full manual, 2 axis and 3 axis for Z at the quill. Manual input, G code and or Mastercam. Njoy this K&T Adam for the shop...

[@bennyfactor]

That K&T is a real beutiful art deco design. Obviously you know way more about whether it'd be useful to you and whether you really need it or not, but just on aesthetics alone I'd recommend it! Would fit right in with the Pacemaker.

[@peterparsons3297]

thats nice, all thats needed is a vertical head. i love the old equipment all seem to be better made than the modern stuff

[@millomweb]

Did the K&T not have a vertical head ? I know t wasn't on it but maybe Lance has it stashed somewhere.

[@o0ThunderGod0o]

The great thing about the big, older horizontal mills is that they are plentiful and inexpensive. I used my old Cincinnati no.2 as a small horizontal boring mill.

[@tonydunfordtd]

I love to see happy families God bless you all

[@jonathangriffin1120]

Steve Summers has a similar K&T, a shop[ I worked at fifty years ago had two of them, well past their prime, one had been converted to a vertical mill using an Elliott vertical head, the head was driven by a motor mounted on top of the machine via a duplex chain and sprockets and a Ford Transit gearbox.

[@danlabonty9720]

The old k&t are tanks. They come up for sale around hear pretty often. But that maybe cause I'm 30 min north of Milwaukee WI.

[@t.d.mich.7064]

Those old KT Horizontal are great for slabbing blocks and squaring edges of plates.

[@diabloed80]

My brain melts trying to watch that cutter spinning the opposite way as the shaft! 😂

[@sawz5]

the optical illusions always amaze me. you can see the shaft turning clock wise and the cutter looks to be turning counter clock wise. can you climb cut with a horizontal?

[@wdhewson]

Never thought I'd see a stampede on Abom's channel !!

[@paulpipitone8357]

Love lances land so beautiful

[@brandonvarney7258]

Good to see he upgraded the DPM 3 TRAK mill from A.G.E.3 to the KMX Control. That's to clean of a machine to leave old control on it. Once you play with that you will have to have 1 in your new shop!

[@lancebaltzley4770]

I just did a little R&M on it, so happy with the KMX. Its an amazing mill and in exceptional condition now.... Thanks for watching

[@brandonvarney7258]

Not sure if they Calibrated it when they installed control? Let me know I can walk you though it. It's real easy. Also did they leave scales or sensors for dual feed back or you just running off servo encoders? I would have interest in those parts if you aren't using dual feedback encoders.

[@lancebaltzley4770]

@@brandonvarney7258 Yes they did do a calibration, I did the Z calibration (long story). I kept the scales as well....

[@brandonvarney7258]

@@lancebaltzley4770 Good call on keeping scales. It should be now problem getting each axis to Calibrate within .0002 " If anything would go wrong you can easily toogle them off in Service Code 304 for X or 305 for Y Axis. Hopefully all the rubber lines going to ball screws are good. If so that machine will last the rest of your life. Really glad to see you upgraded!!

[@ÁREAJ27]

Fantástico o vídeo gosto de ver o trabalho desses profissionais!!! Abraço a todos!!!

[@charliemclaughlin1042]

Was a great video man I miss machining 👍

[@Rovinman]

There's a lot of rust to remove, but it it looks feasible then go for it. The restoration Vlogs will be REALLY interesting and informative !

[@robertbailey947]

I just noticed Lance's sweatshirts. Salem State University is about 5 miles from my house. :-)

[@tomahoks]

Macallan IS good stuff. True.

[@kevinberry4949]

You know that mill should be going home with you

[@timk854]

Now that’s some good living right there

[@TheJohndeere466]

I have a horizontal cicinnati like that one and mine also has the attachment for milling helical parts. I got it from a forging shop. They used it to make all their own helical endmills for cutting their forging dies.

[@millomweb]

I think the Cincinnati are better than K&T - just ! What do you say ?

[@TheJohndeere466]

@@millomweb I like the Cincinnati machines better except for the rapid traverse clutch. It seems that the clutch on the kts always worked better

[@millomweb]

@@TheJohndeere466 Interesting. Are they both 'gradual' clutches - so you can regulate the rapid speed ? What little's been shown on YT, the rapids have been pretty much on/off. Mine is definitely variable - the lever needs a good pull to get the knee raising !

[@TheJohndeere466]

@@millomweb Its my experience where the kt takes very little pressure on the rapid handle to make it work. The cincinnati takes much more.

[@millomweb]

@@TheJohndeere466 Could that lead to the K&Ts being a bit uncontrollable ? I.e. don't slow down as you ease the pressure off - risking running into things ? On mine (Dufour, type 61) the rapids lever disengages the feed drive via a dog clutch and then gives a very sensitive progressive speed increase the more pull on the lever. When the rapids are running, it's easy to speed up or slow down the rapid feed.

[@stevenslater2669]

File this episode under “Life is Good!”

[@davidfloyd9413]

Seen you and the Ma'am in Mississippi the other weekend

[@killerdoxen]

Seeing the thumbnail, I honestly thought this was a Red Green video!

[@kentuckytrapper780]

My k&t is a model k universal made 1944, runs great need to find the over arm attachment for horizontal.

[@ragnarironspear1791]

WOW I started on one of those as an apprentice

[@rexmundi8154]

Prototraks are great machines. Mine with the 1996 era control still runs great.

[@planetwisconsin9901]

I like how it says Milwaukee on the side! 😊

[@garymallard4699]

The forklift was a Master Craft which is a line of tools sold at Canadian Tire in Canada 🤣

[@HJA03406]

Thats where friends are for. Keith knows everything. LOL But still the question.... is he buying it????

[@scottvolage1752]

Have a good weekend Adam. =)

[@tomahoks]

Cool mill.

[@Mr229357]

You should try some Laphroaig whisky. Good video 😊👍🏻👍🏻

[@PeteBrubaker]

Man I would love to hang out with you and Lance sometime. I'd even offer my help scraping that surface grinder in when he does it. Just to learn how he figures out what needs to be scraped. I'll help with the labor!

[@ormmeford2204]

Love the good Scotch!

[@brentdavis4867]

SSU for the win when I attended, it was Salem State College just next door to my city

[@bcbloc02]

#4 is a handy size for a small mIll. :-)

[@millomweb]

It doesn't look like it's been drop-tested either ;)

[@HarryTaints]

Why does Abom wear a giant watch? Does he have trouble seeing? Reminds me of those giant remotes with huge buttons for older people with sight problems.

[@АлександрБлизнюк-ф3м]

Класс !!!! Россия смотрит ! Мира добра и удачи !!!

[@raymurphy9749]

45 years of age and live in Britain where we have fields of cows every where and I've never seen them run once. Almost began to believe they couldn't. 😂

[@millomweb]

We used to have. Dairy industry is dying.

[@arfonjones7188]

You don't want dairy cows running, it don't do them any good. Heifers and steers run all the time.

[@michaelkoch2109]

A very nice place to live!

[@georgespangler1517]

Great machine if there's no table wear,,, l have a small simple Sheldon horizontal mill,, love it,, give me a horizontal over vertical mill for my needs.

[@leonardoa.espinozasoto9771]

grate grate i am k and trecker 2 model h nro. 3 and 1 205 SA universal . saludos de santiago de chile

[@flagman619]

I still run an old K and T about twice a month

[@BasedBidoof]

it's cool how the cutters on that mill appear to be moving the wrong way, but looking at other things you can tell which way it's spinning

[@sferg9582]

He actually has the cutter running the wrong direction.... it should be mounted on the arbor running in the other direction, meaning that imagine if you were to hold the arbor nut still, would the direction of rotation be tightening or loosening the nut? Rotation combined with vibration can loosen the cutter, and should be tightening the nut. This is why grinders would have a right hand or a left hand thread depending on which side the wheel is on.

[@TheJohndeere466]

@@sferg9582 Milling arbors have a key that engages the cutter so it will not loosen the nut unless he forgot the key.

[@thebotformalityknownasdale2564]

I would imagine no matter what he wants for it the freight to ship it to western Canada would be more than the cost to buy it. Just for curiosity what dose it weigh in lbs. I would be interested to know what the cost would come to. It don't cost anything to get a quote.

[@joshwelch8288]

Was this k&t shown in a previous video? I feel like I've seen this before?? Or was there another machine covered in a tarp in a previous video, and same process bringing it around and running it?

[@kenboswell8012]

Brilliant

[@millomweb]

It sounds really good :)

[@mikehoare6093]

oh man, cincinnatis are the super awesome !

[@tinker5349]

Hi nice machine

[@salsyou]

those two blocks of wood on the weight of the fork lift kept her from tipping ;)

[@brucemansfield2501]

Because I know you use them. What size multifix tool holder is right for a south bend heavy 10 lathe?

[@tonythompson9049]

Get it adam an put in the new shop

[@mpetersen6]

K&T vs Cinncy's? As long as the machine hasn't been abused can't go wrong either way IMO. Had a spindle housing once that the rear bearing bore was messed up. Used a K&T horizontal as a horizontal boring bar to open the bore up for sleeving as our DeVlieg and G&L were tied up with other jobs. Sometimes yo just have to get creative.

[@JamesP_TheShedShop]

Talk about moving some metal. Wow

[@collar1022]

Salem State University?! That's my home town!

[@johndeere5134]

i have a question? what are those stones for what do you use them for?

[@MrPossumeyes]

They've been ground very flat - watch Part 1, and also look up Robin Renzetti for details on them kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoeviaanbNWcb7s New stones, for knives and chisels etc, only look flat. They don't need to be better for their tasks.

[@ThomasLips]

I like Lance's last comment, "easier than having family" I've always said you can choose your friends but your family is inflicted upon you.

[@michaelkoch2109]

A good friend is worth more than all the gold in the world!

[@highkicker11]

friends become the family you chose and collected, family become the people you knew or visit from time to time

[@michaelkoch2109]

@@highkicker11 Yes. You can look at it that way, too.

[@bernardwill7196]

I think Lance will sell you the KT for your new shop. That are friends for.

[@millomweb]

Who makes the better milling machines, K&T or Cincinnati ? (in your opinion!)

[@armandhammer9617]

It's a shame most of our manufacturing is overseas, there won't be any old mills or machinery laying around in 20 yrs

[@georgespangler1517]

Crazy,,,my first thought was would it slide with motor spinning backwards,,,lol ,

[@transmitterguy478]

Didn't Fireball tool just get a big one of those K&T 's? The same auction?