World's First | Machining Gearbox From Scratch | Lion Lathe Restoration

[@Gkuljian]

This is a really cool project. One thing to point out (which may not be a problem) is locating the plate with only bolts. It should have at least 2 locating pins.

[@erok268]

True that homie id add do yourself a favor and buy some nice hardened threaded pins so you can use a slide hammer for easy removal. I.e. also put pins into the lathe and gearbox cover.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Check my response in other comments on pins

[@rickfearn3663]

The biggest attribute of your channel is your honesty to admit cop ups. This honesty must come from amazing parents. Thank you.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

I appreciate that

[@peterparsons7141]

Wow wow wow. Thats a really fine shop made tool. When I go to a shop, any shop and I see that time, care and skills are invested in the shop tools it gives me tremendous confidence in the quality of work the shop can put out !

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yeah it takes lots of work to make or repair machine tools.

[@joeblock62]

Appreciate your project, skills and honesty. The only people who don't make mistakes are those that do nothing.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Exactly

[@RichFife]

Love the honesty with the trials of machining. Great work as well.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks do my best to be upfront

[@bostedtap8399]

Impressive modification, that will be great to finally use. Looks excellent

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Hope so!

[@Jerrydmech]

Underrated channel!! Do you have a video discussing your background and your company?

[@bobweiram6321]

It's actually an X-rated channel. Lot's of shaft work.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Lots of shaft work indeed

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Not yet I’ll make one at some point.

[@euclidallglorytotheloglady5500]

Re-Built in the USA! Love it!!👏👏 Fantastic work! I know projects like this get to be a lot after so long, but don't stop doing these modifications to get it finished faster. This thing is going to be a dream to operate! All those headaches are the brain growing.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

You are right. It will be great once done

[@hilltopmachineworks2131]

Man you killed it. Awesome job. Now the gearbox is worth more than the lathe itself. 😀

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yes indeed

[@ThomasSanderson-m8l]

Depressed area or not you my good man are amazing. You will make it.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

That’s Josh not me lol. My area is not depressed

[@MatthewBarras]

Great project. My $.02 for what its worth. In the future 2 dowel pins in the cover and maybe 4 threaded 1/4-20 holes for jack bolts to get the cover off. Will definitely make your life much easier keeping and maintaining alignment. 👍

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

👍

[@Agnemons]

I agree 100%. For a gear box dowel pins are a must. You can not rely on threaded components for alignment. There is far to much variability. Worst case scenario you can have gears walking out of mesh or binding.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

@@Agnemons 👍

[@jamesdavis8021]

I agree

[@onesun2022]

This is a huge and tedious project, I admire your patience and strong hands-on ability!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you very much!

[@jimmyboles3409]

Great job👌 With lots of time and work Thanks for sharing!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Appreciate it!

[@jamesdavis8021]

Thanks for the video and,for not insulting our intelligence by,constantly explaining basic machining practices,like some of the KZbinrs do.Short explanation of what you are trying to achieve. I like that.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Absolutely

[@edgaralvarado6369]

Yes you're right we learn by on our owe and try to make factory 110% fail proof great job never say an old dog can't learn new tricks 😂❤🇺🇸✌🏼🎯

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yes indeed

[@DouglasRees-c6j]

The difference in finish on the plate is reflective of the tram on the mill. This is an issue with all of the articulation points. I did a similar project with parallel shafts square to the lid that did not align. I had to scrap. Use the knee to achieve Z travel and not the quill. The small misalignment due to tram error extends to a much larger error depending on the quill travel between the holes. Love the project and very impressed with all of your work.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yes that makes sense

[@FullSendPrecision]

Man, hell of a project. Awesome work.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Much appreciated!

[@thomasstover6272]

Cool project, Kyle! Crazy gear stuff is kind of my thing! I’ve done lots of gear systems, but I’ve never made a shifter…I’m sure I can think of something to build that needs one!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Go for it!

[@MB-ye4el]

I have watched the Cutting Edge Engineering in Australia channel for a while now and I recently found your great channel. That was amazing work, very impressive.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Welcome aboard!

[@joewhitney4097]

Wow, this has been fun to watch you finish up on this project. Great work, nice design. Thanks for sharing.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Absolutely

[@gjkozy]

Awesome! There is something to be said about the sense of pride and satisfaction on making something that looks great and works as expected. A nice big pat on the back to you!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Well said!

[@richardcorwin1828]

Well done sir. Your great grand children will be using this. Thank you for sharing.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

I hope so!

[@Freetheworldnow]

Just awesome!! Your dedication and deep sense of details are to commend for! You are a real trooper and I continue to be an avid fan of your channel. Thank you for posting. God Bless. WWG1WGA

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

I appreciate that!

[@JFirn86Q]

One point I'd mention on the shifting is that the dogs not being perfectly done mean that really only 1 (or 2) dogs are transferring the load as they are a few thou closer than others. So might defeat the purpose of having extra dogs for strength. However, perhaps it would wear in over time to be equal if the difference is small? Should have started with this, but I am really impressed! You did an amazing high quality job and love the badge idea. Nicely done man, what a daunting project without an existing design too. I'm curious about all the troubleshooting you had to do, maybe an interesting video for it's educational value? Again, impressive!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks very much. Yeah maybe I’ll do a video on that one day

[@pawekowalski7469]

Super projekt i wykonanie👍 chciałbym mieć takie rozwiązanie w mojej tokarce gdzie wysuw pinoli ma tylko 120mm ale i tak trzeba się nakręcić dużo przy głębokich wierceniach i częstym wysuwaniu wiertła.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you

[@rs2024-s4u]

I love this channel! This is a statement for making improvements for just you and committing needed time and resources for a task that while extremely useful can only be justified by your passion to challenge yourself, Congratulations on completing a monumental project without any safety nets from prior models. Ray Stormont

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Well said! Thanks so much.

[@mohabatkhanmalak1161]

Like how it turned out, the 2 speeds would give the lathe much versatility. Goes to show how a standard factory machine can be re-engineered for optimum performance. Like you said at the end, and I was thinking throughout the build, a CAD design would simplify the build especially for a gearbox. On CAD you would get, dimensions, tolerance, materials and fitment set at the start.🐞

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yes indeed but it would be less fun with all the answers up front

[@bernardwill7196]

You must be an engineer, from what I see. So clever design and work. I hope a lot that this extension to the tailstock works 970% :-) Greetings from Germany.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks. No engineer here not even close lol. Just self taught.

[@y0taman]

What a great video as always, really like that you do stuff just to challenge your self. Doubly great that you take the time to explain what challenges you ran into. Thanks again for such a great video.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Absolutely thanks for watching.

[@mudnducs]

Very nice job young man. Way to hang in there and work all the way through. 👍

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Really appreciate it

[@jamesriordan3494]

Ok, you’re officially my hero 🙌

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Lol

[@davidmott2090]

Fantastic work

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks

[@markbernier8434]

Looking at this very fine bid of work, I have the impression the lever will be in high rate forever.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Why is that

[@markbernier8434]

@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Looking at the wear patterns of machines with power feeds (similar) only the highest speed has any wear on it. I suspect that what you have built is easily controllable on high rate and the lower speed will be little or never needed.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

@@markbernier8434 maybe only one way to find out

[@MikeBaxterABC]

1:58 .. I've seen quite a few machinery parts, originally manufactured, in exactly this manner, then rounded and/or just "body fillered" to make the look as though they were cast iron. IDK how common it is but when was a Millwright, I saw quite a few.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Hmm interesting

[@paulcurtis2779]

Impressive. . glad to have watched all the video's in this sequence. . very nice work. . Glad you shared the mistakes and your solutions. . so much better that way. . Great job.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks for watching!

[@tonypoon2839]

Your cutters are very good didn’t need coolant.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yeah it’s mostly for KZbin

[@gerryoneill8881]

It was a huge project time wise it look's great and I am glad it works, I and I am sure others do not see the point of the time and effort you put in to the project to get a few thousands extra speed on it's travel. It must have cost quite a lot just for parts and material and the time you put into it must add up to a lot of hours. But congrats on the project you would have learned a lot from it to be positive about it.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Well said!

[@carlhitchon1009]

That was quite a project. The result is impressive. How are you able to spend so much time on it?

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Idk I made time lol

[@semperfidelis8386]

lotta work to just get your tailstock to extend faster. Good job tho. You're pretty good.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yes it is

[@jeffpitzer8521]

Very interesting video, great explanation of the different processes, nice quality results..... but I m trying to understand why someone would want or need a a two speed tailstock...I sure there is a logical reason, my feeble mind can't comprehend.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Gear reduction for big drills. Speed of retract for quicker usability and convenience

[@mr.ranyhomemade2466]

Thanks for show I am so interesting 😊

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

My pleasure 😊

[@allenbrown7820]

Saturday 👍! Been waiting. Great video. Be Safe!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks! You too!

[@stevechambers9166]

Great job some thought and good workmanship gone into this👍👍👍👍

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks 👍

[@bryanappel1140]

Great perseverance! Love the concept, looks great, too

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks

[@paulb3095]

Very good job young man

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you

[@pauvrefrance9802]

Amazing idea, good job, no one do that ,very clever

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks

[@waxore1142]

if you cut a very small 45 or put a decent sized chamfer in the corners of each tooth it can just fall into place when you shift it.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yeah correct

[@yelims20]

nice! I try to leave a 32 finish when ever possible

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Nice

[@DudleyToolwright]

Very nicely done project.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you very much!

[@bdove7939]

Quite a project. Excellent work.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Many thanks!

[@jhaggerty1822]

Really impressive 👏

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@pauayelo]

What a pro !! And an overkill

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you

[@Lokimyrottie]

Lovely series

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you

[@scottjones7279]

Great option for your lathe. Thank you for sharing.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

You bet

[@richb419]

Hi, it appears that you are about to add a linear scale DRO, I am starting a design to add a rotary encoder that is driven off the crank handle with a timing belt and interface with the readout

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yeah

[@johndebrular979]

Will you be using any lube in this uunit ? Yes a video telling anout your company & your background. You did not acquire this skillstanding on the street corner. Such talent.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks not yet but I’ll make a video. All self taught no formal education

[@koenvangeleuken6544]

awesome. i missed one detail: howd you make the detent to keep the shift lever in either position?

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

You didn’t miss it. There wasn’t a detent. I was debating installing one, but with the press fit of the bearing and the way that the lever is it stays in the gear it’s in so I really wasn’t necessary.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Honestly, I planned on installing one, but I forgot about it up until this moment and I never really felt the need for one during testing

[@TheMrAwax]

Adding chamfers to the top of the dog teeth would make it easier to “find” the alignement

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yeah I eased them off camera

[@larry3064]

Outstanding work 👏

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you

[@MyLilMule]

I like how it came out. A little body filler and paint and it'll be seamless. Re-built in the USA!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Indeed

[@meocats]

i prefer a rack drive like on the press, it allows the quill to slide up all the way into the tailstock gaining length, and even doubling the stroke with a modification

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yeah those are good ones

[@davidchavez81]

Honestly only change I would have done from the start, use two dowel holes for alignment especially when you have a rotating parts.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

I got dowels on front I didn’t show it in video

[@robertkutz]

Great job.🏁🏁

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks

[@laurentcnc6662]

Very great job !

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks

[@lariwoo]

Would have thought a tailstock this size would have benefitted from an air bearing on the ways?

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

It’s big but manageable. It has a rack to drive it which is sufficient. You couldn’t push it by hand

[@tonypoon2839]

You should use the shim for adjustment.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

👍

[@piteralvarado1028]

Mi amigo feliz noche me gustó mucho tu trabajo y la presicion de como hiciste las piezas? Que color le vas a poner al torno

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

White

[@Mr2eyedjack]

It turned out super! It does look factory. What is the final weight on it now?

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Not sure I’ll tell you when it’s painted and all finished up

[@wmweekendwarrior1166]

That is next level cool!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you

[@junkmannoparts9696]

Wow nice job on it all but the case looks great are you going to O' ring the cover . JM

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Nah I will probably do a gasket or rtv doesn’t matter to much

[@junkmannoparts9696]

@@VanoverMachineAndRepair After watching more of the video i see there's no room for an 'O'ring nice work .

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

@@junkmannoparts9696 thanks yeah kinda tight for o ring

[@Hichamhasan]

19:30 wouldn't be beneficial to have chamfers on dogs' edges so to avoid chipping or deforming since the flat business ends will not be affected ?

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yes. I actually chamfered them a bit off camera. Bigger chamfers help engagement but reduce strength. It’s a trade off.

[@VanFlausch]

Great one! but why you didnt try too build the Handle for the quill on the side like Axelson did on there Lathes?

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

I thought about it but don’t have much experience with bevel gears so I wanted to keep to what I was more comfortable with.

[@VanFlausch]

@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Understand, keeping it also simple^^

[@ralphpavero7760]

That is some fine craftsmanship my friend well done

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Appreciate it

[@piteralvarado1028]

Quedo perfecto mi amigo 👏👏👏🙂🙏🙏

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks

[@TheAyrCaveShop]

Wow Awesome... Very nice, well done !! 👍👍💪💪

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you! 👍

[@yelims20]

toolmaker buttons would be a big help to you.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

What are toolmake buttons

[@yelims20]

@@VanoverMachineAndRepair there are videos about them. For doing gear box shaft bores, like you did, through two plates, they are how it used to be done... sometime they come in handy. you could make your own set from drill bushings or buy from Starrett.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

@@yelims20 o ok. I looked them up I have some and did use them for other parts of the lathe project. I call them threaded transfer punches. If that’s the same thing.

[@yelims20]

@@VanoverMachineAndRepair It is not. Transfer screws are not that same thing... google them or search on YT... They involve the use of your surface plate and height gauge. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKG6l3ytrbuZjNk&pp=ygURdG9vbG1ha2VyIGJ1dHRvbnM%3D

[@bobweiram6321]

Cool! Is there an oil embargo where you live?

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yes there is

[@ixflqr]

Is it loaded up with grease or does it require oiling?

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Oil bath

[@dannyarendall5233]

But u did it and it was a success

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yes

[@robertfontaine3650]

That is one seriously chonky lathe.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Indeed

[@erok268]

Brotha man, brotha man, threaded pins for location is key, both on the piece and plate. Ideally you should design a gearbox in such a way, in my opinion in the context of your project, to where you can have it assembled before installation on your equipment. So you can test your axial and radial endplay as well as backlash. And i can say from experience its wise to test play on your lever. I didnt see if you had seals, or gasket material?

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

Using drilled holes in the backplate as a reference isn't great practice either... drill then bore for concentricity... personally, I'd have set it upon the lathe and line bored it between centres, but thats just me...🤔 Re. Seals and gasket, I'd use sealed bearings and run the gears in a nice gloopy 50 / 50 oil and grease mix and probably just use a liquid gasket... Putting a spring-loaded ball bearing in the back of the gear change handle and dimples in the body would help maintain position... (In typical internet commenting tradition, I'm commenting before I watched the whole vid yet so some of my points are moot... 🙄😂) Great project !! 😎👍☘️🍺

[@bobweiram6321]

@@peterfitzpatrick7032Line boring is a royal PITA.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yeah guys there are alignment pins on one of the plates you just don’t see it. There is not pins on back plate but that’s intentional it’s allows me some movement during final assembly to ensure no binding. Would it be better if I nailed it perfectly and used dowels everywhere yes. But this is not cnc and cad it’s manual machining where we build as we go I need some play to ensure a successful end result.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yep did some yesterday more videos to come on that

[@ericsills5290]

All the rework off camera makes me question how much outside the shop work was brought in. Why not have the rework on camera. I think there's more learning for the viewer to see the corrections.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yeah true but I am trying to make the videos linear. Not all problem solving is this way some times you chase your tail for hours w no results. Some mistakes I show but capturing lots of directionless troubleshooting is not interesting to watch and also filming in mist of frustration of troubleshooting is also problematic. No outside work was done. I did it all. I also got hurt bad so I was off a month or so which didn’t help me get this done efficiently

[@Сергей_Иванович]

Вы не сняли белое разрезное кольцо на центроискателе. Это кольцо предназначено только для транспортировки цетроискателя. Не снятое кольцо сильно ограничивает диапазон поиска центра.

[@procyonia3654]

Hell yeh bröther

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks

[@tdiraketa]

this is what I’m gonna call the chin! 😂 👍🏻

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

lol

[@gettosurfer]

Nice!!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks

[@waxore1142]

oh man, woops lol camera was in your line of sight right? just blame it on us. lol

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Lol

[@clutch5sp989]

Now all it needs is a drink holder.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Agreed

[@raymondsanderson3768]

Couldn’t you just wind it slow or fast?

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yes but your don’t get the reduction. It’s like saying couldn’t you drive your car in first gear and just give it more or less gas to go faster or slower. It’s not just speed it’s torque. Gearboxes provide lots of benefits

[@vizibug]

great for thin wrist syndrome...

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

What’s that mean

[@erickvond6825]

I admit this is a novel idea. It makes me wonder how many other machinists are going to find this over the coming years and try their hand at duplicating it...

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yeah I wonder

[@jimk8520]

I don’t think i’ve watched a machinist purposely cut through their own tooling before unless they were making new tools. Edit: it’s a transmission for a tool so I guess that counts.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

lol thanks yeah

[@FireGodSpeed]

Yea figuring out what is wrong with something is always the worst part. You rule out things that you think are fine and hours and hours into it you just check everything and find it was one of those you ruled out in the first place...

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yes 100% agreed

[@parnuzutech]

Listen....

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

👍

[@Claes4773]

You are remaking something, that have been on some European Lathes the last 40+ years, maybe the US. as usual don't bather to seek information, outside the County State line.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Stop. Don’t insult my intelligence. I researched this project for months before beginning. I know full well that 20-50% of bigger lathes have two speed tailstocks. The new lions do as well. That is not an original idea. What is an original idea is retrofitting one to a single speed tailstock. Keyboard warriors need to chill out.

[@Claes4773]

@@VanoverMachineAndRepair I'm Not a keyboard warrior, I'm a European Machinist with 30+ years off experience.