The 4 BIGGEST LIES Told About Michael Jordan

[@YungMustard]

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[@easybreezy9471]

You talk lots of crap for that big mouth of yours

[@uzitay815]

Scottie Pippen finished 3rd in MVP voting without Jordan and brought his bulls to the ECSF and lost in game 7. How u gunna bash pippen

[@mackdrama79]

He was a scorer... just with all time defensive and a very high bball IQ

[@UncleYakuza]

mackdrama79 then he wasn’t really a “scorer”. Bradley Beal is a scorer

[@Mommascooking420]

Free Meek I guess. But saying mj could do nothing else by score is bullshit. Obv.

[@mackdrama79]

@@UncleYakuza he was a scorer. Just not just a scorer.. you can be more than one thing ya know.

[@UncleYakuza]

HI IM PAUL I was correcting him. If you can do more then score they your not a scorer. Jordan was a all around player

[@mackdrama79]

Jordan at 39 was still the best wizard player of all time.

[@Humble_808]

lmafo

[@braedenmyrick1935]

mackdrama79 Wes Unseld, Elvin Hayes; even Earl Monroe, Gilbert Arenas, John Wall, Bernard King, and Bradley Beal? he played 2 years there, he cant be the best

[@Humble_808]

@@braedenmyrick1935 he's trolling bruh...

[@braedenmyrick1935]

Humble if he was i feel rlly dumb

[@mackdrama79]

Lol

[@heytaiyo]

I swear, ever since the last dance began, Bronsexuals and other people are disrespecting him more than ever.

[@NavyBluePersonGuy]

Big facts but then you can't ignore the fact that Jordan tip suckers are still trying to downplay everything LeBron has done

[@projectc.j.j3310]

MHU 2k like what

[@pi_za8214]

Last dance cemented him as my goat lol 0:04

[@mstavros96]

The "weak competition" argument only exists because all those teams lost to Jordan. Because people put rings and accolades in such high regard and Jordan pretty much monopolized all those during his playing time, Drexler's Trail Blazers, Barkley's Suns, the Glove and Shawn Kemp's Sonics, and the Stockton-Malone Jazz don't seem as daunting since those teams didn't win. Not to mention the Patrick Ewing Knicks (some of the greatest defensive teams in NBA history), Reggie Miller's Pacers, and the Alonzo Mourning Heat. You give any of those teams a ring and people will suddenly care enough to look and elevate how good those teams were in that time, but they all lost to Jordan so they don't get that benefit. Whereas with LeBron, the Spurs, Mavericks, and Warriors did win so they get elevated. Well, maybe not the Mavericks so much since it's pretty widely believed the Heat would have won that series if LeBron had played to his standards, but still.

[@YungMustard]

Bravo, this was a perfect comment

[@anshuldesai8249]

Dude wrote a whole novel

[@divinemoyo1720]

The Heat would've won if Lebron had a consistent 3pt or Midrange shot he was inconsistent and the Mavs has Chandler waiting for Lebron to drive, with out a shot theybwere never gonna win... Same thing with the Spurs they Jammed him up in the paint and then let him get his stats in garbage time.

[@heytaiyo]

Facts

[@mandatrev2992]

Further proving how Bron is overrated and hyped because his peers have spanked him too but the media has the audacity of putting him on MJ's level who consistently beat his peers.

[@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7]

Sidney Moncrief won 2 dpoty also when Jordan finally won a playoff series which was vs. the Cavs he avg. 45 on 56% while Pippen avg. like 8 but it was because of Pippen they won lol

[@tmac731]

Don’t forget it was Jordan first 3 years

[@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7]

Tyler McGee 4th to be exact

[@tmac731]

Clyde the Glide #top5SG&top10dunkerever no it was his 1st 3. Drafted in 1984

[@nelsonkuria4086]

ur doing what he mustard didn't want anyone to do. And that is belittle a teammate of ur favorite player just to uphold him

[@allanhouston6759]

- JORDAN got Guarded by the likes of 6"7 RODMAN - 2x DPOY ( 1990 and 1991 ) 6"10 Derrick MacKey - 2x All-Defensive second team. 6"10 Cliff Robinson - 2x All-Defensive second team. 6"7 Anthony Mason, 6"7 Xavier McDaniel, 6"6 Dan Majerle - 2x All-Defensive second team. 6"5 Kendall Gill, 1x steals leader, 6"5 Paul Pressey - 3x All-Defensive First Team. 6"5 Nate McMillan - 2x All-Defensive second team, 1x steals leader, 6"4 Dennis Johnson - 6x All-Defensive First Team, 6"4 Derek Harper - 2x All-Defensive second team 6"3 Joe Dumars - 4x All-Defensive First Team. 6"5 Michael Cooper - 1x DPOY 6"4 Gary Payton - 1x DPOY, 1x steals leader. 6"3 Sidney Moncrief - 2x DPOY 6"3 Alvin Robertson - 1x DPOY, 3x steals leader,

[@ronswanny9071]

Your a 🐐 for coming through with these vids rn

[@vulee100]

You're

[@Real_World27]

They lie to make any player MJ,Kobe,LBJ etc but if you have haters u are doing something right

[@godimready2go]

Why you got a pic of James Charles ? Lmao

[@smitavijayanitani]

I love ur vids I actually know basketball and ur vids are interesting and entertaning I am surprised you don’t have a million subs u are mad underrated

[@themamba7425]

Smita Gupta same Ik basketball but this channel is great

[@VictorAlvarez-ej4hb]

Great vid like always . It’s crazy how underrated you are bro , I’ve argued with you but honestly you’re a goat . Here before the fame man

[@kingbamm1392]

He usually puts out good videos but he fumbled on that John Wall video

[@gremun1833]

Victor Alvarez i feel u

[@tmac731]

When Lebron fans say no competition, they’re talking about the players at SG. They try to say KD, PG13, Kwahi are 10x better than Reggie Miller, Drexler, Hornacek

[@allanhouston6759]

Kawhi ( SF ), KD ( SF ) ? ? 6"4 Jeff Hornacek ( SG ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6"2 Jason Terry ( SG ), 6"7 Reggie Miller ( SG ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6"1 Lou Williams ( SG ), 6"3 Bradley Beal ( SG ), 6"3 J.J Redick ( SG ), 6"3 Eric Gordon ( SG ), 6"3 C.J. MacCollum ( SG ), 6"7 Drexler ( SG ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6"5 Devin Booker ( SG ), 6"6 Klay Thompson ( SG ),

[@felixmartinez1100]

... well, that's kinda true

[@tmac731]

Felix Martinez 10c better?? Nah. Just because theyre not 7ft play like a guard doesn’t mean Drexler who has 21st Centure athleticism avg 25-30ppg and Reggie Miller the greatest shooter of all time, in the 90s, they are not scrubs

[@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7]

Tyler McGee ok you clearly know nothing about Drexler. Reggie was someone who was always moving (very annoying to guard) and clutch af Mitch Richmond is very underrated

[@tmac731]

Clyde the Glide #top5SG&top10dunkerever These are the word of Lebron fans. Not mine. I know all about Clyde the Glide. Avg 25-30 in his prime, athletic asf but he was overshadowed because he was Jordan 2.0.

[@elementted104]

Someone’s about to get salty about this one

[@bobbysmoove4796]

Don’t forget MJ was a legit MVP candidate in 2002 before his knee injury and was one of 3 players averaging 25, 5 and 5 at that point and the wizards were in playoff contention

[@daidoughtv8477]

this man is spitting 💯

[@fabiooliveira6862]

That’s unfair to Scottie even Jordan himself admits “I didn’t win you without him”

[@allanhouston6759]

This is a team game. MJ was the best player on his team, Scotte Pippen was an assistant.

[@RonRyder]

ESPN is ranking Jordan as number 1. A majority of KZbinrs claim MJ as number 1. Even the statistics will prove it if you really dig deep. Lebron fans need to let it go. Maybe at a later point in his career.

[@nathantadros6258]

Ronney Augustine stats can’t prove an opinion like this

[@leptonparticle238]

Sure the KD warriors are arguably the best team ever, but the opponents argument is never valid cause Bron never beat them. The amount of great teams you BEAT is the thing that matters, not the amount you played against.

[@Derek-Wyatt]

Lebron never won a playoff series until Larry Hughes joined him

[@sonnyking1218]

Many might have varying opinion about Scottie and his impact to the bulls so its better to just stick to the facts. Fact is Scottie is a multiple time All star, All nba team, All defensive 1st team and is on the list of 50 greatest players of all time for a lot of people. The bulls still made the playoffs when Jordan retired back in 93.

[@MrE_]

I think the GOAT debate is kinda stupid. Some people define goat as greatest player of all time, some people say it's greatest career of all time, some say it's greatest pound for pound player.... it's too subjective. If it's greatest career, MJ and Bill Russell are up there. If it's greatest individual player, lebron and even duncan are up there Greatest pound for pound, you see AI and others Most dominant, you see shaq, wilt, and others

[@ayushbajaj4708]

AI is no where NEAR greatest of all time. Also, Jordan is a better individual player than LeBron

[@MrE_]

@@ayushbajaj4708 I'm just saying what I've heard people say. There's videos of people on ESPN and even on KZbin saying AI is the GOAT because he is the greatest pound for pound player. To me, GOAT is a mix of greatest career and greatest talent/skill.

[@KazenoniKakuremi]

Magic came in 2nd in MVP votes the year he played MJ in the finals Magic win MVP, the year before Magic was not old!

[@allanhouston6759]

1991 Lakers: Magic Johnson ( age 31 ) HoF- All-star 1991, James Worthy ( age 29 ) HoF- All-star 1991, Vlade Divac ( age 22 ) HoF, 1991 Pistons: Dennis Rodman ( age 29 ) HoF, 2x DPOY ( 1990 and 1991 ), Isiah Thomas ( age 29 ) HoF, All-star 1991, Joe Dumars ( age 27 ) HoF, All-star 1991,

[@kobischpiek8520]

@@allanhouston6759 Worthy was injured in the finales as was kevin Johnson in 93 and gary payton in 1996. And isiah thomas was injured the pistons went from 59 wins to 50. They were not the same team IT body was breaking down like most little guards. Karl malone was like James Harden great in the regular season good in the playoffs. I love michael jordan but you have to tell the whole story. In 96 when they went against the magic Horace grant was the best interior defender and got injured in game 1. Most team had a superstar or a star Chicago had 2. Which gives them a huge advantage.

[@allanhouston6759]

@@kobischpiek8520 You are ignorant. James Worthy played an average of 40 minutes per game. He scored an average of 19 points , on 48% vs the best defenders in the league ( JORDAN and Pippen ) By the time James Worthy missed Game 5, the series was already over with the Bulls up 3-1. Isiah Thomas was a star in 1991: to the Playoffs he was already perfectly healthy. Injury is an excuse. No one is discrediting Magic or Kareem for the fact that Isiah Thomas ( Injured ) nearly defeated them in the sixth game of the 1988 Nba Finals. Kevin Johnson was fine in the third Game of the 1993 Nba Finals, he even played 63 minutes. As an EXCUSE, you use injured ( not serious ) received by playewrs in the regular season, but in the Playoffs they were completely healthy. JORDAN broke his leg in 1986 and returned at the end of the season an scored an average of 43 points against the Boston Celtics ( 5 players from the Hall of Fame ) JORDAN ( age 22 ) = Drop 63 points on Prime Larry Bird. >> You are a clown. List of players defeated by Karl Malone in the Playoffs: David Robinson ( age 28 ) - ( age 30 ), Shaquille O"Neal ( age 25 ), Clyde Drexler ( age 25 ), Gary Payton ( age 31 ), You can also add to this list such great players as Chris Webber ( age 25 ), 4x DPOY Mutombo ( age 27 ), Arvydas Sabonis ( age 31 ), Kevin Johnson ( age 24 ) ( Although they are not superstars )

[@kobischpiek8520]

@@allanhouston6759 GP played without help and he wasn't a superstar.kevin johnson went from averaging 20 and 10 in the playoffs the year before and after and pedestrians numbers in 93 Dennis Rodman was moved to the starting lineup and Detroit had no bench they were a shadow of the former self drexler is like dame lillard all nba caliber player but not MVP. David Robinson had the talent and skill but was no leader see interview talking about Dennis rodman you see the spurs problem at that time. Lakers were a chaos till Phil came around. Karl Malone was like james harden. Great in the regular season and good in the playoffs. 1997 karl malone lost that series. In 1998 Michael won the title because in a theoretical game 7 scottie would've been unable to play and lost.

[@allanhouston6759]

@@kobischpiek8520 >> Don"t be so stupid, it was his sixth season in the league, he had already managed to defeat Michael Jordan ( GOAT ), take his team to the Nba Finals and win the title of the best league scorer of 1995. He dominated in the 2000s, because 33-year-old Rik Smits and 34-year-old Dikembe Mutombo played against him. By 2005, he passed his Prime. Shaq ( age 25 ) = 28- 11- 2, FG-58% and top 4 in the MVP vote - By your logic , Lebron and Kobe defeated players who very mostly not in their Prime. Lebron: 2011 ECSF: Celtics: Ray Allen ( age 35 ), Kevin Garnett ( age 35 ), Paul Pieerce ( age 33 ). 2012 Nba Finals. Thunder: Kevin Durant ( age 23 ), James Harden ( age 22 ), Westbrook ( age 23 ) 2013 ECF: 23-years-old Paul George vs MVP Lebron James+ ( Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen age 37 ) Still needed 7 games to beat the Pacers. 2013 Nba Finals. Spurs: Tim Duncan ( age 36 ), Manu ( age 35 ), Kawhi ( age 21 ) Derrick Rose ( age 22 ) - 1x MVP ( 2011 ) Gary Payton ( age 31 ) = 24- 6- 9, FG-45% and top 6 in the MVP vote. 1x All-star ( 2000 ), 1x All-Defensive First Team, It was his one of the best seasons of his career. >>>> David Robinson ( age 28 ) = 30- 10- 5, FG-50% top 2 in the MVP vote. ? ? ? As for the other ridiculous attempts to discredit JORDAN"s achievements, i won"t even answer them and waste my time .

[@Mektek19]

Keeping it real Vlade was better than what Kareem would have been in that 91 season. Kareem was done after the 88 finals. He was basically a role player after that year. Vlade put up far better stats than what Kareem put up in 89 finals and in the playoffs of 90.

[@charliewhite9242]

MJ had a harder road to the Finals many years than LeBron. But it's no debate LeBron played wayyyyy harder competition in the NBA Finals.

[@allanhouston6759]

Lebron twice lost in the Nba Finals to teams with one star player. 2014 Nba Finals. Spurs: Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Manu ( age 36 ), Kawhi ( age 22 ) Tony Parker was the only star player in his team. 2011 Nba Finals. Mavs: Dirk Nowitzki was the only star player in his team.

[@marvelousegbo7048]

@@allanhouston6759 r u saying duncan wasn't a star

[@allanhouston6759]

@@marvelousegbo7048 In 2014, Tim Duncan was already 38-years-old, in the regular season he scored an average of 15-ppg, on 49%. He was not a star in 2014. Tony Parker was the only star player in his team.

[@bubbafrmbrooklyn]

Yo mustard this was the realest vid i seen in weeks keep it up

[@tntcrewEJ]

I’m sorry but him averaging 22 ppg as a Wizard when he had to take 22 shots a game isn’t that impressive.

[@HomoErectus311]

You mean when he was 38-40? Rookie Lebron was taking 19 shots to get 21 points

[@tj5180]

That's why I hate lebron fans because they critic mj and kobe and overhype lebron and tell misleading facts about mj

[@nelsonkuria4086]

I dont. im more of a bron fan but i love mj nd kobe. nd i see why u feel like mj the goat. but nothing will change my opinion that lbj is which is why i can comfortably watch nd enjoy mj content. Because i don't feel threatened by pure opinion

[@insrt1917]

Another point about MJ in Washington was that they were on pace to be above .500 that first year he was there - however, he was injured like halfway before the season, and he couldn’t match his production when he came back

[@hustleman8797]

I think people only say MJ competition is weak because let’s face it they’re comparing him to Lebron and Lebron finals opponents were better but the path to finals MJ had it ALOT harder than Lebron

[@kjstyles3530]

True like who did Lebron faced in the playoffs that’s was really that competitive

[@glenndanielmoses4155]

You know, it’s amazing to see how Lebron Sexuals will completely BASH Michael Jordan for losing in the First Round to Teams that we’re heavily favoured against him, but will then turn around and give Lebron all the excuses in the world for losing to the Warriors, the Spurs, etc.🤣🤣

[@onlywopp]

Man only if this season didn’t get pushed back LeBron woulda have won his 4 title on 3 different teams being finals MVP on all teams would be the first 🐐

[@s.1852]

wappo stupid

[@malcolmgillies9331]

wappo Lebron couldn’t make it the finals last year but once he gets another superstar and losses depth we’re calling him the goat? Sounds like Anthony Davis is the dude making his team win.

[@onlywopp]

No Way! They had a lot of injuries last year but okay ..

[@malcolmgillies9331]

wappo His team sat him out for the last 15 games. He was injured for like 1/4 of the season at MOST

[@mountainofeverest3861]

Bill Russell had 11 Championships in a 13 year career.... Le-who?

[@tottot000]

Thank you. The fact that MJ is still the greatest scorer, and his PPG perhaps will never be broken. Yet his defensive numbers are amazing as well. Kawhi won 2 DPOY and was considered as bron stopper, never even had 200 steals and 100 blocks a season even separately. MJ had 200 steals 6 times (196 once) and 100 blocks two times, altogether twice as well. Kawhi's most steals a season is 148. MJ did more 9 times and 2 times less with 141 and 140 steals. Kawhi's most blocks a season is 71. MJ did more 4 times and 2 times less with 69 and 65. Granted, I do believe Kawhi is sightly better overall defensively than MJ just because in Spurs, Kawhi wasn't really needed offensively, unlike MJ. When he was needed offensively more, his defensive side was becoming less. MJ still put up better defensive stats over him many times. Draymond Green never put up 200 steals and 100 blocks a season, either were Gobert, Howard, nor Payton, etc. And MJ still has more offensive rebounds than bron.

[@SwiftBuckets9]

Incoming Lebron and Mj haters.... which is funny cause I thought this was an MJ video not a debate video

[@nelsonkuria4086]

i thought so too but mustard kept bringing up bron when i came here for mj not bron.

[@nelsonkuria4086]

This an Mj video. I came here for MJ why was lebron mentioned for comparison and y were lebron fans attacked like all bron fans are jordan haters (im not one of the jordan hating bron fans). I came her for the lies about MJ not the justification of jordan being unfairly compared against lebron

[@Bluecmu]

Love the video, but do we have to bring up Lebron's name? I mean you can make a video defending Jordan and not bring up another players name. It's kinda like you can make a pro Trump video and not bring up Obama or Bush......just saying.

[@YungMustard]

Nahh, because the people that disrespect Jordans legacy are usually Bronsexuals

[@nelsonkuria4086]

@@YungMustard but u really dont need to use that term because u would find many bron fans who love mj (im one of them and this gentleman prolly is too). I feel like the term bronsexual is a childish way of saying an ignorant lebron fan. but every fan base has ignorant fans so there is no need to single out anything or anyone.

[@im_waffles2920]

@@nelsonkuria4086 in my opinion, bronsexuals are people who bring up LeBron in every single basketball conversation no matter what.

[@sheldonmckenzieel2552]

Great video, but the Pippen argument is off saying that Karl Malone, Gary Payton, or Alonzo Morning could have replaced Pippen. Pippen was, if not, the greatest Small Forward wing defenders of all time. Karl Malone, and Alonzo Morning were not wing defenders. And Gary Payton was too short at 6'4". Karl Malone and Alonzo Morning could not have guarded Magic Johnson on the perimeter. Neither could have Gary Payton. So that is the only part of the video that is off. The rest is on point! Peace.

[@blackassassin2265]

Ben Simmons would have been the goat back in the 90's no 🧢

[@electric8668]

No other player have had the impact on basketball that Jordan has. Be it grade school, high school, college, professional or pick up games. Nobody and I mean nobody from America to around the world nobody. 🏀

[@majesty1842]

It's so rare to see a LeBron James fan who respects MJ and doesn't trust into these nonsense the bronsexuals bring up to tear down MJ. Huge respect bro

[@JmanTV647]

Love Yo videos tho you really do your research and have strong depth of understanding of each era

[@drip_god6539]

Jordan was a good all around player but his job was to mostly be a scorer because of the system

[@TheDefenseIsUpNext]

You left out a few things like how the 91 blazers and 96 Supersonics may have had great regular season win totals but they were playing against expansion era opponents too just like Jordan's teams. Video also doesn't count the individual all stars on each of the teams on those 90's squads.

[@shelovestimlive2430]

Someone send this to cash and Oprahside

[@Taha-wj4zu]

how could you say something soo controversial yet soo true

[@Rickyewu]

Another specific lie/missed point that a lot of people who criticize players of the past and specifically Michael Jordan is the pace of the game in which they played. I like to fix players on 2K to get a visual representation of players and one thing I’ve noticed that if you take 1988 Jordan and you adjust his statistics to today’s Pace, the dude is averaging out of this world numbers. The same with someone like will Chamberlain back in 1962. You take his numbers at today’s peace and the guy goes from averaging 50/25 to 30 and 14

[@markjackson6431]

actually they beat the Pistons in 91 not 90

[@ike.o6944]

Mark Jackson Were the Pistons primed then? No. Did he do it without Pippen and Phil? Nope again. Obviously, you need help to win in the NBA, but people out acting like Jordan a god like he did everything his damn self when he sure as hell didn’t. That’s all I’m saying.

[@markjackson6431]

Ike.O i was correcting he made. i don’t know where this is coming from

[@markjackson6431]

Ike.O also the Pistons were still primed. no one was older than 32. stop acting like they were old. how could they been out of their prime when they were back to back. you sound like a fool lol.

[@allanhouston6759]

@@ike.o6944 1991 Pistons: Dennis Rodman ( age 29 ) HoF - 2x DPOY ( 1990 and 1991 ), Isiah Thomas ( age 29 ) HoF - All-star 1991, Joe Dumars ( age 27 ) HoF - All-star 1991,

[@ninetiesbabyray5083]

Mark Jackson for some reason people think Zeke is wayyy older than mike when he came in the league only a couple seasons before Jordan did lol

[@guidi0556]

Technically wilt Chamberlain is the biggest scorer in the history of the game

[@marvelousegbo7048]

MJ has the highest career average of all time

[@nkuniverse7856]

you the goat for tgis vid

[@Carvis23]

Its funny that the same people who say Jordan was 1-9 before Pippen. Don't mention the fact that Horrace Grant was drafted in 1987 too. Lol Pippen was actually drafted by Seattle and traded to the Bulls for Olden Polynice during the draft. These people make us millenials look bad. Lol

[@LanceDa510]

I’ve never heard that mj faced weak competition... if anything people say that the 90s was the toughest decade.

[@ayushbajaj4708]

The 90s *should* be regarded as one of the toughest decades, but lots of people disrespect the era and say Jordan won because he played against "taxi drivers"

[@mountainofeverest3861]

80's/90's .. Magic, Bird, Kareem, Dr. J, Karl Malone, Barkley... The awesome was thick.

[@nelsonkuria4086]

30 wins

[@ringer1181]

THANK YOU BRO! I’m sending this to all the people who seriously think lebron is better than Jordan

[@dannyllerenatv8635]

The 1-9 before Pippen argument instantly makes me lose respect for whoever uses that silly fallacy. I don't even need to go into detail as to why he was "1-9," those are the first 3 years of MJ's career. We are really going to hold the first 3 inaugural years of a player's career against them when most players do not even sniff the playoffs until they approach or enter their primes? You're essentially admitting that MJ is the GOAT when you make that argument because none of MJ's significant failures happened in his prime which is where you're supposed to judge a player's greatness. LeBron on the other hand? ALL of his failures and black marks happened in his prime. You can only blame competition or teammates so much, sometimes you have to face the mirror and just look at the facts and realize the common denominator in all of the disappointments is sometimes the superstar. Peyton Manning was someone who used to get the excuses LeBron got, but in 2014 everyone finally said "enough with the excuses and apologist" and said that the conversation of him being on the level of Brady or Montana is long gone. 2011 should have done that for LeBron, because MJ NEVER EVER had a meltdown of that magnitude at ANY point of his career.

[@hbathletictraining]

The only reason I hold his wizards years against him is because I grew up watching him in his prime years between ‘91-‘98. I wished he would have stayed in retirement and helped to keep his mystique at its highest level.

[@dreamer2887]

My friends need to see this

[@seanflaherty1225]

Lmao lebron fans use his lack of help and really good competition for the FINALS. MJ fans use lack of help and superior competition in the FIRST ROUND. Case closed.

[@YungMustard]

Dude i don’t get the point of this comment AT ALL. For starters, your comparing LeBron’s PRIME YEARS, to MJ’s first 3 seasons, which speaks volumes. Secondly, LeBron faced terrible to average teams on his way to the Finals, IN A WORSE CONFERENCE, like in 2007. Meanwhile MJ in the first round faced all time great teams such as the Celtics twice, as well as the Bucks , who may not be all time great , but were great nonetheless, led by Sidney Moncrief. Please cut the bullshit & stop being ignorant

[@MrE_]

@@YungMustard I mean, I wouldn't call the superteam Celtics weak by any means, or the d Rose bulls. Or even the spurs-like raptors in the later years. Idk the statistics or the actual numbers, but I don't think that if we compare competition in the 90s to competition in the 2000s that there will be that big of a difference in terms of "weak conferences" or "weak finals opponents". I wonder if anyone has made a video comparing the competition in the 80s/90s vs 2000s/10s.

[@madara792]

@@MrE_ Can't find a video but there is plenty of evidence and articles that prove the 10s was objectively the worst era of Eastern Conf. history

[@seanflaherty1225]

@@YungMustard yeah but you're forgetting lebron's age. MJs first few years in the league he was in his early 20s. Lebron led the cavs to the finals at age 22. You're going by what year they were in the NBA when the age is much more relevant. 22 year old Lebron > 22 year old MJ.

[@seanflaherty1225]

@T Mitch other legends have benefited from a weak conference. Look at that teams magic played in the western conference. Much worse than lebron's conference. One year magic didnt even play a team with a winning record until he got to the finals.

[@kalaminfask6616]

one of the most under rated players in nba history is scottie pippen without scottie he would not have won any of that silver ware he has but we really all know who is da real goat its MJ

[@Humble_808]

My problem with the LeBron - MJ debates isn't the debate itself, it's the fact that people overexagerate both of them. Yes, MJ was good, but he also had 2 DPOY level players on his team when he was a DPOY player himself, so saying "he went against harder competition than LeBron" shouldn't really be a thing, imo. Yes MJ was good, but he wasn't "contributing to winning basketball with the wizards".. Those wizards teams were 37 win teams. Yes LBJ was good, but he wasn't fucking Mesiah during the playoffs like most make him seem. Yes he went against worse competition than MJ in the playoffs, but he also had a much worse team. Yes LBJ was good, but you can't say stuff like "look at the early cavs teams, they won 60 wins when he was there and became lottery teams when he left, same with the heat" I mean...duuhh...Ofc, if you build a team that's SPECIFICALLY meant for LeBron to prosper, then you take him out, they're gonna be bad. It's like you make a car, then take the engine out and expect the car to still run. I think that the difference between the help MJ had vs the teams at the time should negate the fact that LBJ played in a weaker conference. MJ with 2 other DPOY all-stars vs mostly 50+ win teams since the 1st round = LBJ with 2 other all-stars that are known for having under-average defense vs mostly under 50 win teams.

[@ultibolt3286]

I see you watch Dom2k

[@UncleYakuza]

Humble Jordan was injured which is why the wizards records weren’t that good

[@YungMustard]

Humble For starters, competition is relative. Jordan never had 2 DPOY caliber players on his team, because everybody who actually did research about the dynasty, knows that Dennis Rodman was only elite defensively in 96, and in the other 2 years he wasn’t the same, and offensively became an extreme liability. Looking at Bron, he had Dwyane Wade & Chris Bosh, sure they aren’t DPOY caliber, but they were still great defenders. Hell look at this season, his teammate is probably gonna win DPOY, along with players like Danny Green, Dwight, JaVale & Avery Bradley. MJ’s teams were good, but HE was the difference between them being the best team in the NBA, vs a average team 2nd round exit in the Eastern Conference. As far as his time in Washington goes, I clearly stated that they only won 37 games, but they won 19 games the previous season, and the year he left they dropped to 25. So say what you want, there was a positive impact towards winning on that team he made

[@YungMustard]

Humble For starters, competition is relative. Jordan never had 2 DPOY caliber players on his team, because everybody who actually did research about the dynasty, knows that Dennis Rodman was only elite defensively in 96, and in the other 2 years he wasn’t the same, and offensively became an extreme liability. Looking at Bron, he had Dwyane Wade & Chris Bosh, sure they aren’t DPOY caliber, but they were still great defenders. Hell look at this season, his teammate is probably gonna win DPOY, along with players like Danny Green, Dwight, JaVale & Avery Bradley. MJ’s teams were good, but HE was the difference between them being the best team in the NBA, vs a average team 2nd round exit in the Eastern Conference. As far as his time in Washington goes, I clearly stated that they only won 37 games, but they won 19 games the previous season, and the year he left they dropped to 25. So say what you want, there was a positive impact towards winning on that team he made. I don’t know why MJ is the all time great out of all them that people of this generation choose be misinformed about, we move tho

[@Humble_808]

​@@YungMustard I agree with everything you said right here. I might've exagerated a bit with the claim that Rodman was a DPOY player, but even with his best days being, arguably, behind him, he was still an all nba caliber defender. Let's not forget about Ron Harper. From what I know he was a pretty good defender as well. He wasn't no Gary Payton, but he was still good. Bron did have DWade, but you can't tell me he was still at his peak when LeBron came. As for Bosh, he was just a big body that could move faster than most big men at that time, and I dont think that makes him good enough to be compared to what Rodman was to Jordan, Rodman could help Scottie and Jordan and let them take some days off on defense. Danny Green and Avery Bradley are, imo, good defenders. Similar to what Ron Harper was on those Bulls teams, but JaVale can't really be put in that category tho. I mean, yeah, he's a decent defender, an athletic 7 footer. He should be good....for those under 18 MPG that he plays. He gets in foul troube WAY too much and WAY too quickly. Both MJ and LBJ are the defining factor for any team they played on, but let's not compare the teams that LBJ played with for most of his career (those Cavs teams BEFORE the Heat years) that he consistently won 50+ games, with the 2nd best player being people like Iglauskas, Mo Williams, Larry Hughes, etc. Building around MJ is easier, because his playstyle didn't demand the ball 90% of the time he was on the court, unlike LeBron. His playstyle allowed them to LET Scottie PIppen take on that playmaking role, to LET Rodman grab all the boards. Put LeBron on those teams and I almost guarantee you that Scottie's numbers will go down and Rodmans PPG average would go up. Same with the other roleplayers. That's the reason that LeBron can get trash teams to more wins, compared to MJ. MJ is more of a ceiling raiser, compared to LeBron, who's more of a floor raiser. Shout out to BSOLZ.

[@Ty377951]

Fire 🔥 video

[@kylelowry1521]

Mj developed Scottie lol

[@MrUlee]

“He would average 40+” “He was a good/average three point shooter”

[@bilzkhan3029]

Mr. Ulee he was a average 3 point shooter

[@JeffersonSteelflexx]

He probably could average 40+ in this much more offense focused, fast paced game, although it wouldn’t be necessary and most likely detrimental to his team. And if he was coming into this era where the three pointer was a huge focus I don’t doubt he’d be a decent shooter, it would be something he’d probably work on.

[@jaydagawd2966]

Jordan averaged 30 points in the most defensive area of basketball and I’m sure he would have developed his three point game if he was born to play in this area

[@onlywopp]

Jefferson Steelflex put him on a roster in 2k he never averages 40 I’ve done this multiple times and u can’t average 40 on 2s and freethrows most he averaged in my 2k sim was 36 with 60% shooting

[@MrUlee]

Jaydagawd 296 nope

[@DJDREXTV]

Lol. You compared 1 for 9 first loses to finals loses? Wow.

[@Deandrehoops]

Did michael havr to go agenst the golden state worriers

[@flmvnny]

i agree with this video but you seem to be bashing lebron a good amount

[@dylanh1416]

Great video

[@vuknikolic4679]

Yeah people act like Lebron had tougher competition but for the 17 years of his career the best player he faced PRIOR to finals was young Paul George in Indiana whilst Lebron was on a stacked Miami Heat superteam

[@Maine03]

Vuk Nikolic thats would make sense if he played most of his career on Miami what about the other 13 seasons

[@vuknikolic4679]

​@@Maine03 well go check teams he played before finals in Cleveland. The best player by far is Dwigth Howard who has arguably better career than Paul George but is not better player overall. The second best player is Chauncey fucking Billups - no disrespect to him, he is great but not even comparable to guys Jordan faced prior to finals. Just compare them in the all-time great list. larry bird, mark price, patrick ewing, charles barkley, drexler, payton, isiah thomas (original) etc vs paul george, dwight howard, chauncy billups. You can add Derrick Rose there, he was great but he lasted for 2 seasons. Again, no disrespect to these guys but they are not even close to the levels of Jordans opponents. Lets be real.

[@im_waffles2920]

@@vuknikolic4679 I don't think there is an argument actually for Paul George over Dwight honestly...

[@vuknikolic4679]

@@im_waffles2920 yeah, i think you are right. Dwight was a beast back then. But the point is still there - compare Dwight with any of these players Jordan played against, he's not better than them...

[@im_waffles2920]

@@vuknikolic4679 yeah of course. Dwight is not better than Hakeem, or Patrick Ewing, or Karl Malone, and that's just big men honestly.

[@UncleYakuza]

Speaking facts

[@JmanTV647]

Actually in 92 Phoenix was led by KJ and tom Chambers Charles came the next year and they won 10 more games

[@DJDREXTV]

Damn you a LeBron hater... Let both be great. Oh don't forget Kareem.

[@o_chilvers6929]

I’m not saying the competition was bad but if you go back and watch the tapes the players just aren’t as good as they are today, and the defence was absolutely horrible, i’ve been watching a lot of Michael Jordan tapes and oh my God he got so many easy buckets that wouldn’t been allowed today and The rules fit Jordan’s game perfectly because of the zone rules they made iso players like mike to thrive.

[@tj5180]

U probably watched cherry picked videos on KZbin. Jordan had to face tough defense in the 90s but still was a domiant scorer. Ask anyone in the 90s they would tell you how good 90s was. Ever since the rules change it's easy to score in today's era.

[@theblackcanadian2261]

I did it

[@robertbarnes4666]

jordan is not the problem with the whole goat concept he did his part to make his case the problem is that just like every other possible goat his case has a few holes and people make excuses or just deny the holes in the jordan as goat theory they will stomp all over other greats while pushing him up and that gets to be galling he was great but so were a lot of other players that said this will not change too many people have a vested stake in his perceived place as goat to ever allow any flaws to be shown

[@phoka3477]

Bro i agree wit all ur points except the jordan not making it past 1st round argument is used by lebron fan simply to defend AGAINST the jordan 6/6 ring argument, which is y both are bad arguments

[@jackwhalen3849]

Thank you so much for these videos, these kids that were born in 2012 trying to say that LBJ is the goat is really annoying. There was even some stuff that you left out of here, like the fact that the only other all star MJ has played with is Scottie Pippen, while LBJ has played with Kyrie, D Wade, Chris Bosh etc. I think it's undebatable that MJ is the goat, and if you don't think so, you are a clown. This video has pleased my heart

[@prodsahota]

Lol oldhead

[@jackwhalen3849]

YoOoOooO I'm only 15 lmaoooo

[@im_waffles2920]

@@prodsahota great comeback to a sound argument.

[@blackassassin2265]

U know Jordan played against good comp if the Knicks were good😂

[@trellgotbeatz3599]

Lmao facts😂

[@jojolit2628]

I disagree with the first opinion because if we’re talking about finals opponents the teams that LeBron went up against are better imo because of evolution the NBA in LeBron’s Era especially if you look at kd warriors and spurs at their peak now LeBron would’ve won against the Mavericks if he didn’t choke or Against Warriors in 2015 if Kyrie&Love didn’t get injured tbt Jordan is Jordan I’m not taken anything but Jordan did admit without Scottie he doesn’t get his 6 rings everyone knows they needed each other imo LeBron has more competition and had more super teams

[@enriquejimenez8322]

He did what mj did not do

[@PowderHeight]

Where is the face cam? 🤔🤔

[@im_waffles2920]

He said that people were complaining about it.

[@o_chilvers6929]

Unpopular opinion: LeBron will end his career the goat

[@paulmbuko8526]

Lool he had weak competition without question, he always had the better team, when he left basketball the first time. His time went to game 7 of the ecf. That lets you know that without Jordan the bulls were as good as the other teams in the league. Add Jordan of course they’d be unbeatable

[@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7]

Paul Mbuko everyone make that mistake it was the semis and that rlly proved Pippen was the real deal there were a few additions and they were coming off a three peat Jordan left his mark on that team no doubt Phil def had a great system

[@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7]

Paul Mbuko besides it was known that they overachieved when Jordan came back the next year they were 34-31 js

[@tj5180]

Found a another bronsexual in the comments. Mj had to go through tough teams like the Miami heat who won 60 games and were lead by hardaway also Alonzo mouring and rex Chapman even PJ brown Jamal mashburn and Dan marjele. They were coached by pat riley a hall of fame coach. Including the Knicks who were stacked defensively and lead by Ewing, John starks. Same team that almost beat MJ in 1993 and in a 7 game series in 1992. Magic had shaq,penny Horace grant Brian shaw and nick Anderson. Even the Pacers with Miller probably there toughest opponent who took Chicago to 7 games. Theres also the hawks who were lead by Wilkins Moses malone Kevin Willis spud web. Not to mention in 1997 they had dikembe and one of the best defensive guards mookie, 20 PPG Steve Smith including Christian laettner. Lebron has so many cake walks which is why he reached the finals 10 times. Sonics and jazz were better then spurs and would have beat them. Only opponent lebron faced that was better then Jordan's Is the warriors

[@bperez003]

Mj is the goat. And I Fuckin love Lebron, Lebron is my mj

[@Ckproduction03]

To prove Jordan did have weak competition in the finals or in general (compared to the Bulls). If you take the teams Lebron faced in the finals vs the team's Jordans faced in the finals, Lebron's finals team has a 50 point higher net rating. It's literally not a competition. To add to this the East has won 4 out of the 10 times in the last decade, which means the east (to get to the finals) actually isn't as weak as people proclaim. Jordan faced good teams but Lebron simply faced better. So the weak competition narrative is true, don't get it twisted. That's coming from someone who really does appreciate Jordan.

[@madara792]

The 4 teams stat is misleading since 3 of those teams was Lebron-led. And the Eastern Conf. was historically and objectively the worst era of all time during that era.

[@Ckproduction03]

bt. It’s not a misleading stat because it’s still an eastern conference team winning. It’s near 50%

[@Ckproduction03]

The Pistons, Celtics, Bulls, and Pacers team are all extremely underrated teams because of Lebron.

[@Ckproduction03]

Don’t forget about a 60 win Hawks team

[@madara792]

@@Ckproduction03 It is misleading because it implies that the Eastern Conf. has had different championship teams when in reality, its still just Lebron's teams plus Toronto.

[@haiderhusaini4743]

Sorry but that Lakers team may have won many games in the west, but the west was much weaker than the east. They didn't have Byron Scott in the finals, magic was out his prime, and so was James Worthy.

[@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7]

Haider Husaini I believe magic was second or third in MVP voting that year

[@haiderhusaini4743]

@@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7 by he wasn't tearing up the league like he did in years prior. Byron Scott was the best defensive shooting guard (at the time ofc Jordan surpassed him later). I think if Scott was there, Lakers would have won.

[@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7]

Haider Husaini I don't think Jordan would have had much of an issue with Scott don't forget about Moncrief Dumars and DJ

[@haiderhusaini4743]

@@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7 yeah but dumars was much shorter. I think because of Scott's physical dominance at the 2, he would slow a young Jordan down.

[@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7]

Haider Husaini shorter players often matched up against Jordan so they can somewhat match his insane quickness

[@gapos8212]

LEBRON HATER Spotted. Haha. Calling LeBron fans LeBronSexuals. LOL.

[@vudoodaddie]

MJ = GOAT, LeBrick = goat cheese.

[@ojkills8528]

That’s weak comp Lebron could went thru that east too That’s what being the king of you’re conference does just look at lebronto the stakes don’t get high until the finals and Michael has had easy final comp

[@cameroncampbell1638]

By far the funniest argument against Jordan is that “He played against plumbers.”

[@magicking95]

This younger generation be killing me with that shit 😂😂

[@ike.o6944]

Cameron Campbell Jordan didn’t play against plumbers, but the competition he faced in the 90’s brah.. wasn’t good. It’s just facts.

[@im_waffles2920]

@nKosi Ama Kosi hey man, Dame actually has some flow lol.

[@im_waffles2920]

@@magicking95 those people make all of us younger people look so bad.

[@Mdg426]

It’s a lack of knowledge of that eras players too.

[@o_chilvers6929]

Unpopular opinions: MJ is overrated

[@hustleman8797]

I think MJ is the goat but some Mj fans say ridiculous things like Kevin Love and Kyrie would be better than Horace Grant and Scottie lol

[@mandatrev2992]

Both Kyrie and love are better offensively than pippen but pippen is better defensively. No Knock on pippen but you could argue that both of them are better skill wise aside accolades and resume which pippen is better. But then again Pippen'd defence would fit Michael Jordan's playstyle which is why they won 6 rings.

[@mandatrev2992]

Also if you were to build a team who would rather have as your main player Scottie or love or Kyrie?

[@rayw8363]

You bring up the Utah Jazz as the strong competition LMAOOOO!!! Any top 10 player this decade would DESTROY the Jazz if John Stockton and Jeff Hornacek was guarding them... Stick to your horrible analysis of present day basketball.... Thanks

[@mandatrev2992]

So what did Jordan do? Did he not destroy them?

[@rayw8363]

Manda Trev He did what ANY elite guard would do against John Stockton and Jeff Hornacek

[@mountainofeverest3861]

Pros of the Stockton era disagree with you. Stockton didn't enter the Hall of Fame on a whim. Gary Payton said Stockton was more difficult to cover than Jordan. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnOXnYygpal_j80

[@rayw8363]

MountainOf Everest Nobody cares about that bullshit video... Do YOU think John Stockton... or Jeff Hornacek... Can guard Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, Lebron James, James Harden, Steph Curry, or Kyrie Irving...

[@mountainofeverest3861]

@@rayw8363 John Stockton is the NBA all time steal leader... Who can't play defense according to you. I listen to what Pros say .. Not internet supermen like you.

[@easybreezy9471]

I unlike your video bro because all your points it ain't proving anything. LeBron is the goat for a reason Jordan can't go up against KD and chef Curry in the final he would probably loose against them

[@mandatrev2992]

Individually do you think either Steph or Kd is better than Jordan and Bron? Be honest? I can guess your answer but I want to confirm and then I'll tell you my conclusion?

[@madara792]

You do realise Lebron lost to KD and Curry right? He got straight yammed by KD in 2017

[@easybreezy9471]

@@mandatrev2992 Bron is better than Jordan but Steph and KD isn't. My point Bron competition is stronger than Jordan.

[@easybreezy9471]

@nKosi Ama Kosi excuse me it wasn't just Jason Terry on the team there was Dirk on the team

[@easybreezy9471]

@nKosi Ama Kosi And do you see LeBron loosing to the bad boys Piston with his physical strength