The $5,000 Guitar Pedal RIPOFF... what have I DONE?

[@MusicisWin]

Glad to be back! Hope you enjoy this fun little video. Love you guys!

[@vortex4344]

Does that program get me started on playing leads faster? Also idk why the website ain't loading

[@baldbearded9601]

Good to see you back on your feet! Stay safe man! We need you for a few decades still 🤘

[@declanl2167]

Welcome man

[@mark65mc]

Just signed up. Paid for the full year and saved a little more. Thanks and Happy New Year!

[@Jke-bg4yu]

Welcome back, looking quite well

[@wolfpac1970]

I noticed a slight difference, but not enough to justify paying $5000 over $29.

[@cocosloan3748]

For his level - its Centaur or nothing at all! And you know what? He deserves it ! His ear is so bored of those imperfect pedals - he got 150 of them ! If he's satisfied with the richness of the sound - than his search for rich perfect sound pedal is over ! I was surprised that they cant make pedal with same sound with todays electronic parts - (close just doesn't cut it)

[@SpacemanXC]

Too bad the graphics cards from Wish aren't as good as the pedals.

[@dog61]

For his level, sure. But the klon clone pedal is 90% of the way there a fraction of the price. Great option for schmucks like me. :)

[@SpacemanXC]

@@dog61 Nothing like poverty to drive the need for counterfeit goods. I love my SamChung Gallaxcy 8+. I use it to take pictures of my sweet Chibson Res Paur.

[@johnyang799]

They are exactly the same. The first few parts the settings are not the same on both. Try closing your eyes after 6:52.

[@gavinpearcey]

It's almost like all pedals are made out of the same inexpensive resistors, capacitors, transistors and integrated circuits...

[@rexterrocks]

It's very true that when you look at the value of the components used there is a huge profit margin. I find it funny when it says 'hand-wired' as a selling point because even the cheapest 'made in China' are hand-wired and soldered.

[@j_freed]

Sort of! That's saying very little though. You sometimes look at a 2% difference that makes a difference. It's like with guitars, doing a fully proper nut and fully worked frets etc. makes the guitar physically 99.8% the same as before, but those piddling minor differences can have a lot of leverage in the overall usefulness of the gear (playability and tone.) Small physical differences are amplified, literally. Obviously, there's a 'mass' market for players of guitars who settle, eg. who always use the raw and rough factory setup and never try a good guitar tech. Then there's another 'boutique' market for guys who want all their guitars spot on, want to try every overdrive and compression pedal etc. The cheap guys save money and they also support the majority market.

[@gavinpearcey]

@@j_freed there's a big difference between pedals and proper guitar finishing. Properly levelling the frets and filing the but and setting the action aren't mass producible things. A circuit board with solder in components is. All of the fine work is done once in the circuit design. There is no special soldering technique or way to wire a pot to the board to make these comparible.

[@JaOzrenRadovanovic]

@@gavinpearcey Filing the but!!! 😂🤣😂

[@pahwraith]

@@j_freed but will anyone be able to tell after your sound is recorded and mixed? I doubt it. Which is why i buy cheap clone pedals

[@reno145]

I would love to hear a demo where the cheap one claimed to be the real deal, and the real one was claimed to be the cheap one. At the end, reveal the switch and see how many people admit to bias of liking the cheap one just because they thought it was the expensive one.

[@tboysrocknroll9252]

Exactly...

[@Andy_Guitar_Nerd]

I think you are right

[@BlueTitan7]

You can tell it's darker and a bit muddy so to speak, but people do fall for the hype 100% correct. :)

[@Andy_Guitar_Nerd]

@@BlueTitan7 I ordered the cheap one ....and payed 36 USD so I can test the clone "klone"...on my plexi next week.....I give you feedback what I think....i won't have no compairison with real 5000 usd pedal....but...i got afew old boosters and a solo dallas so i will hear a bit whats goin on

[@backlogbuddies]

The clone sounded a bit muddy but i liked that sound a bit more.

[@ericmacho7452]

I'm 45, been playing guitar for 30 years. Immediately went to Wish and bought that Klon clone upon seeing this. It just arrived today and I am over the moon. LOVE this pedal. It's the sound I've been trying to create with my other pedals for 3 decades. Best $30 I've ever spent

[@batsumoto]

Thank you Eric I'm ordering it right now

[@ericmacho7452]

@batsumoto I purchased a 2nd one. Both sound identical and work great. I cannot imagine how anyone would not be satisfied with the sound out of this thing for $30. Or $100 for that matter.

[@-jank-willson]

can you send link to the wish page?

[@billward2264]

I see more than one on Wish at different prices- are they all the same? If they are different, which one did you get?

[@Cosmo__Kramer]

I got one from ttone on wish..it's the good one with the green circuit board..and it doesn't sound that good..my boss sd1 sounds 100 times better ..it's unusable to me​@@billward2264

[@sittingduck4602]

"Someday we sell this and we go on vacation." - Tomo Fujita

[@thatguitarist7]

The man with a plan

[@ColdToiletSeats]

pretty sure wish just devalued the shit outta that pedal lol

[@mattamagiera]

The original is just so rich sounding. The wish one is quite tinny in comparison but still sounds pretty damn great for (lets call it) 30$

[@ColdToiletSeats]

@@mattamagiera no doubt theirs a tiny ass difference but you can prolly tweak the amp a bit and get them even closer ... unless you're rich theirs no point in buying the real deal

[@mattamagiera]

@@ColdToiletSeats thats what I told myself when I clicked “buy now” lol

[@douglasjarnagan3835]

The smaller one sounds thinner. Sounds good, but the $5000 has a fuller sound. That said, I'd never spend $5000 on a pedal.

[@anupjsebastian]

yeah the wampler tumnus is pretty much identical. The tumnus deluxe is even better. I wouldn’t say its cheap but it is priced normally.

[@cristiangongola8138]

@@anupjsebastian Thank you for your suggestion! It's good to know about these other options!

[@LuiTunes]

It doesn't sound $5000 fuller than the other one :P

[@randylester8274]

@David Wang lol I have a investment you can buy at an awesome price I am selling all my shares of the Brooklyn bridge!!!! The word "Investment" is used to justify price in blatant ripoff. Any time someone mentions "Investment" while trying to sell RUN RUN RUN

[@Lantertronics]

The clone at the same knob setting was quieter. And louder will sound fuller. I bet if he had just cranked the volume of the clone slightly they'd be near identical.

[@carsonthompson8637]

Tomo: has expensive overdrive pedal Also Tomo: always plays clean

[@Floydandsome]

bruh moment

[@j_freed]

Overdrive is the gateway pedal to distortion, yes?

[@okalright3941]

@@j_freed no. Over drive is it's own unique sound and so is distortion. Over drive does as the name suggests and over drives the amp making a unique sound. Distortion just distorts the sound

[@CrazyCow500]

play as good as Tomo and all you'll need a guitar and an amp

[@leehanson1416]

1. He's Tomo. He got his Klon at retail, because Tomo. 2. Tomo has clean, and then he has "clean", which the very edge of distortion.

[@pasqualegrieco9913]

Actually if the circuit is the same and the components are the same then there's no difference between them. The little differences is due to capacitors tolerance (no capacitor can have an exact perfect value, but the value is in a little range around the target value) so the sum of all the caps imperfections gives to the pedal it's fingerprint. I mean, also two identical 5k pedals may sound a liiitle different

[@Lantertronics]

BINGO.

[@stoneysdead689]

But they're not the same because the original Klon has a black gook that's put over the circuit boards to prevent ppl from doing precisely what you're saying. You can't see the circuits. That said- whoever made this one got really close by just listening it seems. There's a difference in the way they sound but- it's nowhere near the difference of what they cost. The problem is- now there are tons of Klon clones- how do I know if I'm getting this particular one?

[@couscousdude2991]

@@stoneysdead689 the goop can and has been removed and there's klon schematics all over the internet. You could even build your own if you really wanted an exact circuit copy.

[@stoneysdead689]

@@couscousdude2991 Yeah- now they have software too that will analyze the circuit for you- you don't even have to see it. I ended up buying a 23-dollar Mosky clone that sounds so much like this 7G pedal if you close your eyes, it's really hard to tell the difference. The original is a tad brighter but, that's about it. JHS did an online test with the two and the guys actually picked the Mosky as the one that sounded best when they didn't know which was which. I think the tone he's achieving in this video that I like so much has more to do with the amp and guitar he's using than necessarily this pedal.

[@couscousdude2991]

@@stoneysdead689 Yeah, I also watched a video of someone profiling the KTR with the Neural DSP quad cortex neural capture and it got pretty close. Highs and mids were a little off but it's crazy how close it was in 1 tap.

[@JakeGiguere]

Glad you’re better Tyler 🤘🏻just came from the Instagram livestream

[@StamateTudorGuitar]

Did he have Covid?

[@snow15243]

@@StamateTudorGuitar yep.

[@JakeGiguere]

@@StamateTudorGuitar He had extensive Covid pneumonia

[@jhonatas5104]

I had no idea, I am glad he is doing better... stay safe everyone

[@treetopjones737]

Guitar shop sales guy: "OF COURSE the $5K one is BETTER."

[@bassicly4250]

@Rad!. wtf are you talking about ?

[@Mephilis78]

@Rad!. Don't worry, I know what you're talking about. I know why it's like that too.

[@TheDilla]

@Rad!. go outside. take a walk. If that doesn't work seek help.

[@messagedeleted1922]

@Rad!. Yet you didn't go to the police? You protecting someone?

[@MFKR696]

@@bassicly4250 I don't think even *he* knows what he's talking about lol.

[@Roomfulofgear]

Honestly, when the drums kick in... nobody can tell the difference.

[@1thess523]

Or the bass 😂

[@sparkyguitar0058]

That's why I'll keep my $85 modded Soul Food. May not be $5000 klon but sounds close enough especially when combined with modded Blues Driver or/and bias modded older Tube Driver.

[@j_freed]

@@sparkyguitar0058 - the funniest thing is guitar players try to 'clone' with the Klon, versus working with good stuuf that's accessible to them. 'No, this pedal will MAKE my sound dude!' - -Nobody notices or cares.

[@dodmusic9255]

I bet some people cannot tell the difference when your Strat is in the middle position or neck position in a live setting.

[@jonkuenning]

Or in a P&W setting and guitars are almost mixed out completely haha

[@misisipimike8020]

I can imagine having the cheap one on your board on stage at a club gig and having the whole board get stolen, all because someone mistakes a $29 pedal for the real thing

[@-jank-willson]

its too small compared to the original

[@lionelanderson2368]

You just made a case to buy the $29 pedal. Imagine having the original one on your board on stage at a club gig and having the whole board get stolen....Take your pick. Given the choice, wouldn't you rather have them steal your entire board with the $29 pedal?

[@misisipimike8020]

@@lionelanderson2368 you’re not wrong

[@christopherhansford6876]

Especially when they even copy the logo.

[@livefreeordie1776]

There is another klone that is the same size as the original I have it. It was 200 bucks though. Play it every day

[@lukeempson7517]

Welcome back!!! So glad to see ya up and healthy again!! Love from Sweden and all the family! Stay safe, you and Bethany!

[@johnhorgash9031]

Just got my Klon Centaur clone today through Wish. I wasn't expecting much at all. All I have to say is holy...........mackerel!!!! This thing is sweet! The Other overdrives and distortions that I have don't allow the voice of the guitar to come through the effect. This Klon clone is just fantastic! Its not too overdriven but not fuzzy at all. This is the sound I have been trying to find for 45 years! I'm blown away!

[@jesuslovesyou2616]

Jesus Christ died for your sinsss

[@johnhorgash9031]

@@jesuslovesyou2616 Yes He did! And I am very very grateful!!

[@dej69]

@@jesuslovesyou2616 there is no bearded guy in the sky lol

[@louiscyfer6944]

i am surprised you didn't get the wampler tumnus. it consistently beats the real klon in blind tests. i had a real one. got the tumnus and sold the real one. they are almost identical bit the tumnus is a little fuller on the bottom.

[@johnhorgash9031]

@@louiscyfer6944 I just took a chance on the clone and I really like it. It may be that my Peavey amp is a bit bottom heavy and lacks a bit of treble.I did consider the Tumnus but went for the clone instead.

[@What_The_Heal]

Lol. They missed the chance to call this Klone.

[@bleckybob]

I built one based off the original circuit a while back. Actually built two of them. And I included a katana modded clean boost in the beginning circuit, I called it the Klone. And use the Klondike logo over it

[@jronjonnsen4947]

Klon is already clone in german.

[@classicarchivegold]

@@TFT-bp8zk grow up, man. we're talking about guitar pedals from china here.

[@DaroriDerEinzige]

@@bleckybob Could you post your schematics somewhere? I would be kinda into that stuff, also because I've some Electrical Engineering Moduls in my Course and I think, many things you learn better/faster if you experiment with them. Thanks.

[@bleckybob]

@@DaroriDerEinzige man I’m so sorry, it’s literally been 12 years...I have no idea where the schematics are. I think I printed them out. I sold both of them a while back too. :/ sorry mate

[@mysteriousnova600]

the $5000 one sounds like a slight amp adjustment away from the $30 one. As someone who collects things I know that it feels cool to own "the real deal" so it really comes down to if you have the excess cash to throw at it.

[@velcroapple6813]

Might call this a Klon Artist. I’ll see myself out...

[@Roberto06111]

looooooooooooooooooooool

[@fish-typething6639]

He has reached comedy.

[@seongomez4903]

Well done

[@Kpapa91]

One may also say that there have been klon artists for... Centauries.

[@sweetdrahthaar7951]

You really should win some thing for that comment👍🏻

[@Monter_Man]

Two days out of the hospital and he’s already being a mad guitar scientist.

[@chowder1272]

Maybe this was just an unfinished video that he worked on before he got the virus.

[@OriginalKingRichTv]

@@chowder1272 he got the virus😮

[@elliotfletcher8842]

@@santafemikez9694 More like dexametalzone, amirite

[@MarySpender]

God damn boy. Crushing it when you SHOULD BE IN BED RESTING. Killer work. x

[@josephsdsu1]

Why resting? Was he sick?

[@paweorszulik1511]

@@josephsdsu1 yes, covid :/

[@at0mbalm]

@@josephsdsu1 Covid

[@fistinair1979]

@@josephsdsu1 he was in the ICU with Covid

[@louiehamel7675]

Goes to show, this is what KZbin means to him. Gotta say, I respect that a ton. Appreciate the dedication Tyler.

[@electricladdyland]

You need to do a blind AB test. You're playing harder on the Klon for starters. Also knob position will not equate - go by ear. Level was lower on smaller pedal with same knob position. I'm not sure there's any significant difference between the two.

[@nicwilson89]

Yea, the tolerance on component values will mean that you can not set the knobs to the same position and get exactly the same sound, it'd even still be slightly different if you cherry picked parts between two real klons, whether or not it'd be perceptible to the ear. You can use much more expensive .1% components but that's a massive waste of money and would lead to a massive build cost. Gotta play around with the knobs to find the same sorta sounds between the two

[@zaporoshti3392]

I think putting a compressor pedal in front of these two would make the comparison more reliable as there might also be some differences on the picking.

[@peik5569]

The $30 one sounds close enough for me lol

[@midnightshroud527]

Absolutely agree. And I'm not even lol.

[@sweetdrahthaar7951]

Can’t you just bump the treble on the amp or guitar and get back with the fake one lacks?

[@rdds4108]

Me too lol

[@zeke_meyer]

Sounds good enough for the audience at least

[@benterpsma8469]

Yup!

[@samtertipis7219]

$5000 dollars for a pedal... I don't even have $29.

[@jodymcdougle8810]

Me either, brother. What kinda gear are you using on such a budget?

[@MusicisWin]

DM me your address on Instagram @musiciswin I'll send you a Wish Klon

[@ChichIndustries]

@@MusicisWin ur the goat

[@christerolsborg7797]

@@MusicisWin thats awesome 😄

[@joetarry9059]

@@MusicisWin what a king !

[@pyromaniak678]

There's a difference for sure, but talk about diminishing returns

[@zachshipstead5247]

lol, yeah. $4950 for a slightly brighter tone when there is no bass, no drums, and I'm looking directly at which pedal is on.

[@behemothokun]

Yes. Tbh, unless in a direct comparison, I don't think I or most people for that matter can tell the difference. Good luck hearing it in a mix or live Band setting and be able to tell whether or not an original is doing the work.

[@nostringsattachedmusic]

For sure, and add to that: good luck hearing it in a live mix and knowing whether it's any Klon, or some other pedal, or a digital modeling thingy.

[@j_freed]

Everything with instruments is diminishing returns. People are analyzing this "joke" video in such a silly, reductive way. I bet 70% of them are listening to the audio comparison on the tinny, hyped-up speaker of a handheld device. 🤦‍♂️

[@Silicon_Audio_Labs]

There's a slight volume discrepancy due to one pedal being plugged into the other. Once you adjust the klone up a couple dB it matches exactly. I own both BTW.

[@fredzep01]

I thought that exact thing, you can't have the dials set at the same level, they will have definite discrepancies in their output levels. I thought if he levelled them properly, they would have been almost the same, just like you said yourself.

[@XxStonedImmaculatexX]

That’s actually a good point especially for the original although isn’t it supposed to have a built in buffer? Or both have buffers if they’re supposed to be the same? I think a better test would have been to have each tested individually instead of having them on a single chain.

[@jlindsay0709]

On top of it Josh from JHS makes the point that the part tolerances are going to be different. You can’t just make them sound the same by using the same the setting. This even goes comparing a real Klon to another real Klon. They are going sound different until you dial them in. A klon or now even a KTR are just collectors items. There is nothing mystical about the Klon. Talked with an electrician engineer and talked about Bill’s story about the rare Russian diodes that he has. He just started laughing at the whole idea. So the only great thing about a real Klon is the origin story you get to tell as a collector.

[@dewil7313]

@@XxStonedImmaculatexX It does have a buffer yes, and I bet the clone has aswel.

[@CarlosVargas-cn7rx]

Last hour news: Klon Centaur prices drops to $1000 and Wish Klone prices increaces to $50

[@raspberryjuiceentertainmen719]

“Don’t judge the centaur by the size of his sword” amen brother

[@oFFtheWall518]

That's not a euphemism.

[@raspberryjuiceentertainmen719]

@@oFFtheWall518 anything can be a euphemism if your minds dirty enough

[@BennieTarrMusic]

These big ทiออะrs!!

[@TheVoiceofUnreason]

I always find my Klon Clone to be the Centaur of attention at any gig.. 🧐

[@squirtcobain477]

👏👏

[@johndextersantos9541]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@zizzinpuss]

Nice one:)

[@ANTHONYFERNANDO]

This guy survives being on a Covid ventilator, then immediately gets back to the grind. Absolute beast. Glad to see you back and healthy dude!

[@kellykent131]

Tyler, you were sick with Covid and pneumonia? Dude I’m sorry. You sound well on this video. Get better and get some rest my friend. Happy New Year to you and Bethany.

[@TheSaxyG]

It's okay, he HAD to disregard all health and safety guidelines for the LIKES and the SUBS!!!! Literally, he'll want his simps/subs around him just to keep the deafening silence of his own mediocre talent from killing him.

[@jduke916]

I love how Tomo has a klon, yet only plays clean tones.

[@ronaldessi]

He does use it actually, you mostly see him using clean cause it's the easiest for students to follow

[@stanislavmigra]

and?

[@admirable_kon5083]

If you listen to his albums, like Put On Your Funk Face, you'll hear him playing overdriven Funky music quite often. I don't think Tomo pushed that gain knob really high, like Tyler does, though.

[@277southtombob]

The cheap one isn’t bad at all. I actually like the Klon for the cleaner tones, if you have a amp with a good clean channel they’re really transparent for crunchy sounds and the Wish on did very well on the lower gain setting.

[@galacticpills]

You giving this to someone who didn't have the bucks to buy it makes me respect you even more man! ❤️

[@drewsalter]

I had two original Klons during the day and they sounded as different as those two.

[@larrybethune3909]

Da'faq? Where's my Wish app?

[@j_freed]

That's hilarious, and relevant. "Stop merely doing what other people do, just see why they do it and then do what's working for you."

[@classicarchivegold]

Good point. It's like anything, even identical twins are not the same. Everything a little different. When mama makes gumbo, it's always good, but sometimes she uses a little more spice, depending on her mood, even though it's that same damn gumbo recipe. Let's just see these pedals live in a room. I want to hear that on a big stage, then we'll know if these clones really cut the mustard or this is just some kind of trick from wish---maybe buy two of these clones and compare them to your klons, then compare the two clones against each other. let's see how well these Chinese manufacturers have this down to a science.

[@sgredsch]

im interested in how you know they sounded different when this is over the internet over a different guitar and a different amp.

[@vandal_dk]

@@sgredsch If you have two and they don’t sound the same, that’s what different means.

[@jasonstone1046]

You're also running a buffered signal from the wish klone into the centaur itself which makes a subtle difference in tone itself. Great comparison!!

[@BrySquatch]

I bought the Wish pedal after this video and haven’t looked back. It really sounds amazing. I even bought a Wampler Tumnus and a Mythos Mjolnir (both $200 pedals) to try “upgrading” from it but it turns out I like the Wish Klone better 😅 It just sounds really open with a sparkly upper range and a warm rich lower midrange that sounds great with any guitar just feels so good to play. You did a public service with this video. Wish ain’t no joke! 🤘🤘

[@ryanguffy4739]

Thanks for posting this comparison, I was wondering how it stacked up against the Wampler.

[@emielv7677]

It doesn't sound all that bad actually 🤷‍♂️

[@richardwilliams3497]

If you’re not looking at the screen you can barely tell the difference honestly

[@emielv7677]

@@richardwilliams3497 well. There's definitely a difference. But it doesn't sound bad 🤷‍♂️

[@tommj4365]

I preferred the Chinese one at the highest knob settings, as it was warmer and less fizzy, but on the other examples it sounded dull and less dynamic compared to the original. Not so much that a few minutes more tweaking would get much closer though

[@qwertpoiuy430]

Honestly it sounded pretty weak compared to the original one. It was not as punchy, almost anemic. And it was very messy when a lot was going on. Having said this, 29 bucks is definitely cheap enough to make it a great deal.

[@b0iledb4bies]

if it was worth 5,000 dollars then i feel like it shouldnt just sound "okay" or "not that bad" it should sound a m a z i n g

[@segazora]

*distortion* : 'this is my clean sound'

[@freddyhamel9921]

I lol'd at that too. Clean is relative ok?

[@thesociophobe8425]

That's mostly what I use a Klon for, my "clean" tone just breaking up and getting slightly dirty.

[@mvyper]

Where is his beard?

[@JohnShalamskas]

@@thesociophobe8425 Most people probably use their klon in this way - as a clean boost (low pedal gain) with some mid push in the EQ. There are many better sounding distortion pedals.

[@thesociophobe8425]

@@JohnShalamskas I run the Klon a bit dirty so it's not a clean boost, but it then goes into an OCD for overdrive, a Rat for distortion or a Russian Big Muff for fuzz. My "clean" tone is relatively distorted to start with because of the Klon, but it's just one of 12 pedals in the chain.

[@FakingANerve]

I don't think I would ever be able to justify spending $5000 on a pedal. It sounds great, but it sure as shit doesn't sound "$5000 great." 😬

[@WhiteCranK]

True!

[@d24isDURIAN]

If it has good resale value then you can always make some of that money back, Maybe even more.

[@freedustin]

@@d24isDURIAN that's a big if. if it takes years to sell, you wasted a lot of time for a tiny profit. not worth it.

[@Lawrence330]

@@d24isDURIAN That's prospecting, and it's garbage. It drives up demand and takes useable products out of the market so "investors" can resell them to other "investors" like a Ponzi scheme. They literally wrote a whole Toy Story movie about it. Pedals just wanna be played, man. I'm hoping that the market will fall apart for vintage 60s cars and guitars and whatelse like it (mostly) has for 30s and 40s relics. All these people buying up stuff from their "glory days" hoping to sell it to other nostalgic fools....yeah, those people are dying, Gen X'ers don't remember that stuff, they have their own nostalgia. The market moves and a whole lot of somebodies are going to be left holding the bag at the end. I have a bud with a fully functional Model T that he couldn't sell for more than my Jetta, anyone who kissed a girl in one in high school is long dead, now!

[@TranscendentBen]

If I ever pay that much for a pedal it better come with AT LEAST one PRS guitar.

[@chrisose]

The difference in sound is likely down to the quality of a couple of relatively cheap components. Certainly not enough to justify the premium price point on the Klon.

[@natebeattie8945]

That's the part that boggles my mind. When all components are made to such high tolerances, how do they even sound different?

[@chrisose]

@@natebeattie8945 Actually, all electronics are not created equal. You can get parts with higher tolerances (more accurate) and it is known that some manufacturers components just don't meet their published specs. The difference of a couple of percent in a component can make a huge difference.

[@StaticFanfare]

The wish pedal actually sounds fine, not nearly as good as the real one of course but it surprised me.

[@FlorentChardevel]

Better value for the price, easily.

[@albineriksson1641]

@@FlorentChardevel but is it 120 times better? i mean it's kinda insane with the price difference

[@StaticFanfare]

@@FlorentChardevel Exactly, there's no way ANY guitar pedal is truly worth five grand. The real deal only sounds a bit better than the J. Rockett Archer in my opinion.

[@onitvideoproductioncharles9102]

@@StaticFanfare yep

[@HigherPlanes]

If that pedal company were smart they would have put out a real $5,000 pedal and a fake $29.95 dollar pedal that looks and sounds exactly like the real pedal.

[@TheDoug2103]

ive had a guitar in my hands my entire life, and unless something is wrong with my hearing, the only differences there are are the ones we are forcing ourselves to hear because we want to hear them. its just parts, and they have revearse engineered this thing pretty damned good

[@lukemadden4434]

This man has been out of ICU for less than a week and is already making videos, such dedication

[@peterwinters8587]

what happened?

[@jeffdubuque5622]

i did`ent know he was down with the sickness.

[@lukemadden4434]

@@peterwinters8587 he had covid and was in ICU for a while

[@peterwinters8587]

@@lukemadden4434 thanx for update

[@Forest_Fifer]

Probably recorded beforehand.

[@JeanFrancoisDesrosiers]

I bought a DIY kit a while back of that circuit, same enclosure as shown, built it, it sounds awesome.

[@gordontubbs]

When you think of it as a "K-style overdrive" it makes the cut, hands down.

[@autistichead8137]

Exactly

[@barnics]

Pretty good for

[@NRVOUS-]

I dont think anyone is gonna be able to tell the difference in a mix. 29$ all day

[@guitarz99]

nobody in the crowd will notice or care

[@MirlitronOne]

I always thought it sounded about $30 good, but then, I build most of my own pedals.

[@choi8611]

“And some day we sell this and go to vacation”

[@gottab5381]

I’m the 100th like!!!!!

[@jmtrainz2582]

No, buy a car!

[@Noumenon4Idolatry]

Buy a plane.

[@doctiberius2717]

😫Clone sniffer !

[@MarkToast99]

The Wish pedal is missing something, but it's not missing THE something that makes this pedal so captivating. I can't believe there's actually something on Wish that sounds this good

[@moreblack]

Ikwym, it sounds "smaller" but on stage with the amp cranked, that's not gonna matter.

[@rookmaster7502]

Essentially it has the same electronics as the original, so a very similar sound is to be expected. And as the original didn't contain any unusually expensive electronic components, copies of it don't cost much to make.

[@-jank-willson]

@@rookmaster7502 there are special diodes in the original klon that are hard to find nowadays. All the klon clones (klones...?) like this one that you can buy for cheap use modern diodes that are made differently, that is why they have a thinner sound than the original klon.

[@dickgitaar2012]

Try a Mosky even cheaper, Try a TC Electronic... even better than the original...

[@chriss9340]

Unless you actually have both to tell the difference, you would never know. The poor man wins.

[@Lawrence330]

And what are the odds that a) people can pick it out in a mix, and b0) most of your audience cares or even knows about pedals? Poor man wins, indeed. My most expensive pedal was $200 new, and most of the rest were $30. I'll pay a company (or a person) for good work, but prospecting is a non-value-added activity, and I try hard to not support it.

[@diegolorenzen2003]

The clone, with it being a little darker, almost sounds like it was made for the brightness of a single coil, while the real klon is a bit more dynamic. The clone is definitely a good copy of the real klon IMO.

[@WolfMountford]

Definitely!

[@chattanoogahardcorearchive]

And its from wish

[@sacredgeometry]

Its literally just turned down a little/ quieter, more output and it would have sounded identical

[@blablablablabittybla561]

Klon clone?

[@Lantertronics]

I think if he had cranked the treble and volume knobs just slightly he would have gotten them to match.

[@boolosboi7503]

The Clone Clon sounds a little less “full”. I think the original Clon has a sort of richness the other one didn’t have.

[@thierryschlagdenhauffen9216]

Right, but is it worth the extra bucks?

[@Roxanneredpanda]

yeah it has about $4,967 sorts of richness

[@boolosboi7503]

@@thierryschlagdenhauffen9216 Hell no. You’re better off getting a normal Santa Ana Overdrive from Fender for a Dumble Overdrive from CNZ Audio.

[@petelucchini1168]

Boolos Boi::: I would change the Pots and some internal parts to higher end parts and see if one can get it ti wake up. I bought one from Ebay last year and i was not impressed with it. I have the Gold Klon from years ago, it sounds kick ass but not worth what they are selling for now.. Sort of in the Dumble romance wine cellar category. None have been made in years so now it gained a rep.

[@see-em-ex]

You can always fatten it back up with an eq somewhere later in your pedal chain

[@rickhill6277]

I know it’s been a year but I got turned on to this Wish Pedal about 6mos ago and I paid $65 including shipping and it’s Great! Always On! Thanks man please keep up the Good Work. Love your channel and content! Cheers from Salem, Ohio.

[@EricSaltMusic]

My initial thought was just "that doesn't sound as meaty as the original". but for 1% of the price? think just adding a bit more reverb will help and totally worth it.

[@zfxpedals]

"duller" is a good description for the Klone, but it still sounds really good. There's something special about the original though, just because there is The Klone is a lot more logical to have on your board if you're playing out anywhere

[@freesk8]

You would have to watch an original Klon all gig long. You would have to worry about it getting swiped all evening long. Better to have the cheap copy with you out in the world.

[@Alaskandsm]

Duller, and narrower. I say that because the original has this fullness that fills the sonic space where the clone just seems like it falls short. A bad example is the original sounds like surround and the clone is in stereo... just something missing.

[@Lawrence330]

It's probably a cap change away from sounding brighter, or maybe just bringing the treble or tone knob up a bit. Either way, you can get great, useable tones for $30.

[@zfxpedals]

@@Lawrence330 I was thinking the same. Probably just tolerances on one or two components.

[@filtertheblood]

95% as good as the original I'd say.. Im buying one after seeing this.

[@lassiejr2115]

Yeah I don't even play Guitar buy I know a deal when I see It > I can double my money >Or pawn it off as an original >

[@beigela]

@@lassiejr2115 ew

[@mikeryan2454]

I was like "yeah it's pretty damn good but why not just buy the TC Mojo Mojo for the same price". ..then I heard the cleanup test and now I'm for sure putting one on my board.

[@lowkeykeylow5526]

@@lassiejr2115 don't be a scumbag

[@tbone8358]

@@lowkeykeylow5526 just report him for “spam/scam etc” It’s definitely not legal to sell clones off as “the real deal”

[@rkelly62]

I bought a kit on Amazon for around $40. Upgraded the diodes, charge pump and some of the caps and it sounds great. Cost me around < $50 all together.

[@saxonsteve]

Hello! Tell me more about this Kit and how u changed out those things for an upgrade.

[@rkelly62]

@@saxonsteve The kit is from ama zon (TTONE Klone Vintage Metal Pedal Enclosure Overdrive). The parts upgrades were things that I have from other builds that I do. Parts that I know are really good quality from StompBox Parts. I used 1N34A diodes that I really like. Other KLONE builds I have done, I have also used D9Es. I also used a LT1054 charge pump, again from StompBox and I swapped out the Treble 3n9 cap for a 6n8 for a warmer tone response. I wish the kit had a parts list and better wiring diagram, but overall, it sounds great!

[@thedaver8]

"Someday we sell this and go on vacation." LOL Tomo is a savage!

[@mickmay630]

I read your comment like, right when he said that

[@brodykrafka]

My wife got me a Klon clone for Christmas. Retails for $59 and sounds so good.

[@namnworbyargaming]

Which one is it?

[@brodykrafka]

@@namnworbyargaming the Nu-X Horseman. So far I’ve been running it as a clean boost at little to no gain. But when you get anywhere from like 2/3 to full gain, the drive truly kicks ass.

[@CyberChrist]

She's a keeper ^^

[@LousReview]

nice wife

[@ROVAKAN]

you have a cool wife man , buy her a drink

[@j.r.r.tolkee7000]

The good news is that you can resell the Klon for a bonkers profit.

[@TheCleansingx]

if anybody is buying yea

[@anthonynicholson5523]

Not after this video

[@mr.fancypants698]

Why is it worth 5k?! It's not like it was used by Kurt Cobain or anything, and I can get that same tone outta a boss blues driver, or super over drive...🤔🤨

[@sparkyguitar0058]

@@mr.fancypants698 Cause it's a "KLON"!

[@mr.fancypants698]

@@sparkyguitar0058 Explain the hype to me, about "KLON"... Because, as I said before, you can get that same tone, and it's under $100bucks, by boss pedals.

[@FrankJmClarke]

They sound most similar with the knobs on 10, so the main difference may well be the taper of the pots. So 12 O'clock on one is 10 O'clock on the other perhaps.

[@LSDMTHC42069]

Welcome back Amongst the Living Tyler, Love you homie 😄

[@petersage5157]

The Klon was reverse engineered a long time ago; I'm actually surprised it's taken this long for Shenzhen Klones to come to the market. With the exception of the clipping diodes, it's mostly jellybean parts, and even if you can't get your hands on some NOS germanium diodes, it's easy to get near enough the same clipping with Schottky diodes and a resistor.

[@superpieton]

Germanium diodes are still produced and still available : AA138, AA113, AAZ15, 1N60, OA85, OA90, AY103K, etc...

[@petersage5157]

@@superpieton Only references I've been able to find claim to be NTE branded, NTE's own website says they don't make them anymore and offers substitution component references, and none of them are available from the reputable scumbags. At any rate, I stand by my former assertion that you couldn't hear the difference between a pair of schottky diodes + resistor and a pair of germanium diodes.

[@JohnShalamskas]

@@petersage5157 The 1S188 diode forward voltage drop is 1.0 volts, so look for a replacement that has a 1 volt forward voltage drop.

[@petersage5157]

@@JohnShalamskas In which case, you'd want something like two pairs of 1N4448s to get the required voltage drop. (Curious that most germanium diodes are reputed for their *low* Vf.) Or maybe a pair of infrared LEDs. A small tail resistor will still help simulate the softer knee of the germanium PN junction. The higher voltage drop of the 1N34A used here opens up a lot of options for asymmetrical clipping, which many would consider an improvement over Finnegan's design. Shove some second order harmonics in there to warm up the tone!

[@davebutler3905]

Wow! Someone who knows what's under the hood! All these amp sim pedals seem very crude! I'm trying to make something more refined but my electronic skills are rusty... And my eyesight for soldering...

[@oliphant3727]

The clone does not have the harmonic sheen as the original, but I bet adding a treble booster after the clone would get you there! IMHO

[@ExpatZ266]

Bounce a Super Sweet in front of it, that'll kick up the harmonic content in a really nice way.

[@jonthehermit8082]

Maybe, would be interesting to try.

[@DruNature]

i hear a harmonizer or something doing some low end awesomeness too though, theres some wizardry in that klon

[@phililpb]

The copy was not as good. But it is low quality at lowest possible price. Im sure you could match the original for less than $100

[@shredvansshredquarters]

One of the first gen Icarus Boosts from Caroline Guitar Co. will do JUST THAT fam. Holler if you want one. I have the spec. SILVER and RED one. I thought it would NEVER leave my board BUT my new preamp from my endorse, is a clone of the Integrated Preamp from TC Electronic and is MONEY with the 18v supply. It was THE FIRST one to sound "better" than the Icarus. There is a new gen Three Knob Icarus out that Im sure is more doper. BUT we will seee!

[@jalmonsalmon]

I built 2 about 6 years ago with the now almost impossible to find OA126 Telefunken diodes. Amazing pedals and cost me maybe $37 or so each to build : )

[@makogearsolid8002]

Any chance u have schematics or anything to help, I’ve always wanted to learn how to build a pedal

[@jalmonsalmon]

@@makogearsolid8002 StuMac has a nice klon kit you should try!

[@makogearsolid8002]

@@jalmonsalmon thanks brother

[@saxonsteve]

Hello! I found these diodes. Can you suggest anything else? Thanks 😊

[@kilgoretrout321]

The differences are minute enough that the ear quuckly adjusts to them, and a mix or a recording could cover up or contextualize whichever pedal so they sound great.

[@corruptedstudiosentertainm3455]

Yeah, actually it's close enough that if you've got a good ear, you could probably fix it up with VST plugins to sound nearly indistinguishable to even a trained ear, and then save them as presets for whenever you use this pedal.

[@j_freed]

I'm split on this, to me the Klon sounds way less buzzy and midrangey - compared to the copy it's more smooth and open with lusher harmonics. To my ear the copy sounds more 'stressed' and the dynamics are harsher, the transients are rougher. You can't EQ for original harmonic content, whether it's a pedal, a voice, or an acoustic guitar. You can fake together a mix to sound 'balanced in frequencies' but that is not the same as originating real timbre or harmonic content. All unicorn chasing with tone is obviously about harmonic content and dynamic response of amps, pedals, and guitars. People chase those rare Dumble amps -those amps were actually built for specific players so if you did find one for sale a particular old Dumble or 60s Vox AC30 or Bassman might not even be the right amp for your personal tone chasing goals and your playing. And rarer isn't better... it's fun to play in some funky little amp and get a sound out of it regardless. That concludes today's lesson.

[@PNWGuitar]

I bought the same clone. The pedal is actually very well built, surprisingly. It did show up in a cardboard box that was falling apart from being wet but the pedal works and I have had no issues, I'm wondering If modding it could get that extra 10% of richness out of it.

[@andrewhardardt9851]

Dude. Great logo. As a designer for 30+ years, I'm thrilled to see someone who's thinking outside The Musical Box [and the fox on the rocks...]

[@brakemcgaughey5724]

Genesis for the win

[@youcantharrylove]

Not sure if the two units are level matched but, to my ears, the original unit has more clarity, definition, focus and depth. The bulk of the sound is replicated in the knock off but it lacks the nuances that the original has. Great vid btw!

[@kylemohney7552]

Perfect for gigging without risking losing an extra $5k if your gear gets stolen

[@BossHossStudios]

My thoughts exactly

[@AlexIsiv]

the differences are so small that you can make the bootleg version sound just like the original with just a few eq corrections in post production.

[@visiontranscend60]

Exactly. The actual drive part is identical.

[@AAllinsonNN]

What are you listening to this through? You cant add eq to make up for lost transients or less harmonics. If the only thing you're hearing differently is muddiness or an eq curve, you need to listen on something more transparent.

[@visiontranscend60]

@@AAllinsonNN the breakup is about identical.within 99 percent accuracy. What Alex is referring to is slightly different frequency curves heard. But not really any differences in dynamics or characteristics of harmonics other than very microscopic variations in the timbre of the harmonics. And any such differences may just be due to different ages of components within the devices. Getting an accurate clone of a brand new Klon and done in china is not hard to do. They are also cloning EMG pickups now dead on by using the same materials.

[@j_freed]

DEPENDS. You can't make up lack of complexity using EQ.

[@visiontranscend60]

@@j_freed lack of complexity was not what needed to be made up for. Tibral content is the same or close enough that one can't tell. The only possible issue we are hearing is potential amplitude of certain frequencies. Ironically enough, to me the clone sounds better.

[@Stoically_Broken]

The wish one sounds compressed/stepped on to me but $5000 is to much for any pedal imo.

[@classicarchivegold]

Oh please. $5000 is nothing to pay for quality. Everyone knows the price of everything these days, and the value of nothing. If you want that sound, that's what it costs, it's not about a pedal or the gear itself. It's about what it DOES. Joe Perry has THREE of them. Think about it.

[@tomothybahamothy]

@@classicarchivegold 😂

[@j_freed]

Duh, the $5000 price tag is irrelevant because you can spend 95% less buying an equivalent pedal.

[@atomicfront]

Remember when Joe sold his Les Paul for drugs and got a lot less than $5000. Then whined to Slash to give it back to him? I don't think Joe Perry is someone who is all that smart.

[@classicarchivegold]

@@atomicfront You're right he sold his famous Les Paul, but he kept his Klons. Should tell you everything. Case closed.

[@Ppuffdiddleydangdoof]

That was one of the most informative (and funny) videos I've ever watched. First, your tones are absolutely gorgeous. Second, I found myself nearly salivating about owning a real one, it sounds so good. But the differences between it and the clone are so small, I could never spend $5k for the original. This is like when Andertons compared a $7,000 Les Paul against a $700 Epiphone. Was there a difference? Yes. Was it worth spending the extra $6,300? Not really, unless you're a rich rock star. We're so lucky to have so many smart, talented people on the web teaching. It's awesome when they're also hilarious, (see Greg Koch)! Thanks Tyler! And you may have a side career as a stunt double for John Leguizamo. You look like his younger brother.

[@cookq]

The original definitely has more high end harmonics. I'd like to hear the original and the "wish" pedal against a Wampler Tumnus please. It's the best of the Klon clones that I've ever heard. The Tumnus is definitely a space saver on the pedalboard too.

[@thomasarussellsr]

Will the cheap one hold up for a mega concert or overheat, though? We know the original Klon will hold up over time. I say open them up and compare the guts. Let us see if the Chinese did their own thing, or attempted to copy an original on the inside as well.

[@daviddavidon9203]

the "bad horse" by Tone CIty is damn amazing

[@nelsonw2096]

I love a space saver!!!

[@johncraft2995]

The Tummus and J. Rocket’s Archer are very good sounding Klones. Wampler used to have his pedals built in Paducah, Kentucky. Not sure where they’re made now.

[@jeffdale3912]

I closed my eyes and couldn't tell when you switched from one to the other. Probably not 100% exact, but the differences aren't worth $4970.

[@Mastertexter]

That's exactly what I as going to say. I DO actually hear a difference. As he said himself... the bootleg-china-version sounds a bit duller. But not 4900$ duller. So I would definitely keep that real Klon as an investment and maybe sell it one day to go on vacation or something :D

[@1thess523]

@@Mastertexter exactly, that was my first impression but when he cranked the gain it sounded a lot closer to the 5K pedal

[@genebuesking5101]

@@Mastertexter It always sounded to me like the original just had a little more bass oomph to it, just slightly.

[@j_freed]

Would you accept $4899?

[@place_desjardins]

I would be interesting if he compared the internal parts of the actual and clone copy. I'm guessing the cloners copied the original, but with cheap transistors and potentiometers.

[@limpneckmike]

The actual klon has a little more clarity, but it’s definitely not worth spending $5,000 to get that clarity.

[@liamplunkett5100]

Its not really about the sound with the pedal anymore. It's more about the flex

[@brushcl]

Also remember that unless you are absolutely sure the volume output is the same, it’s not an apples to apples test. Volume matching is the trickiest part of all of this. That said, the Klon to my ear sounded better at all settings than the knock-off. But that Knock-off is pretty great for what it is. Makes me wonder if I would pay $100 for a Klone vs $29. The Klon seems more harmonically complex at lower volume, for example. But at the 3/4 knob positions there wasn’t as much difference for me. But again, the volume output of each and how it’s driving the preamp is also a factor. The Klon enclosure is a work of art all its own, and for me that makes it more valuable, just maybe not to the tune of 4K.

[@Lantertronics]

I think the original Klon had pots with custom tapers; if the clone isn't matching that exactly you'd get some variation. The germanium diodes are supposedly magic, but really the rest of it is just standard components. I suspect that if he had just cranked the volume on the clone a bit people wouldn't be able to tell which is which in a blind listening test.

[@GaugedFreak10]

The knockoff sounded a little fatter. I actually like the clean tone of the knockoff a little better.. what?!?

[@nestled2813]

I actually agree with you I think the clean tone sounds better on the knockoff. but I still think the tone of the real one with gain sounds much more open and unique.

[@jholdener44624911]

@Fender Bender Amazing listening to this from a Computer that has compression from the actual design of audio to record this streaming into your headphones, You actually have to be sitting in the same room this guy is to even do a comparison , But people will tell you how great a pedal will sound

[@walterkersting6238]

That look on his face when he realizes that she P is about identical…

[@ebaythedrummer4644]

Are we just not going to talk about his shirt saying "Insane klon possie"

[@Ndlanding]

I appreciated it. Just didn't think to mention it, much like I don't often mention newsreaders' cleavages. Especially the men's. oh, sorry. Are they called "anchors" now? Whatever.

[@ericwaltersmith]

I want the shirt!!

[@Ndlanding]

@John's Candy I meant the newsreaders, not the jugs.

[@justinlawesome]

Whoop whoop

[@BennieTarrMusic]

The ICP uses $5,000 pedals in their music.

[@bennettshapiro2965]

I love my $20 Mosky Klon clone. Does it sound exactly like a vintage Klon? I have absolutely no idea. Do I love the sound I get out of it? Absolutely. I had a client in the studio the other day who tried it out, and ran out and bought one himself. So, it's not just me. I constantly think of Duke Ellington when it comes to stuff like this. He said, "if it sounds good, it is good." I try to let that be my guiding principle.

[@displaychicken]

I find pedals fun and I’ve had my share. I must say, since I started playing clean and just working on my technique, it’s been very liberating. All I have is a strat, a guild archtop and a Fender Princeton Reverb. I’ve given up chasing tone and now chase technique and it’s a lot more rewarding.

[@dantursi8026]

The copycat is muddier. There’s a dirty unclean sound with the lows. Still, not bad for 50$

[@riverlicense1217]

You can buy 100 copycats for the price of the original. The copy cat is worth every cent, imho.

[@0sgtmay0]

Undoubtedly the cheaper knock off is not as good as the real Klon. The question i have is, what does the manufacturer of the real Klon pedal have to say about the Chineese knock off stealing their logo and trying to pass off this as a real Klon?

[@chain872005]

@@0sgtmay0 They can't do shit about it really, it's China.

[@zed011]

Imagine paying 4950 more just to get a slightly better tone.. And guess what, no one will notice the difference in the final mix so.. Absolute win for the clone 😂

[@robertkorn]

The copycat is the EXACT SAME CIRCUIT. The only difference in the sound is variations among components like the diodes. Even the original builder use to go through lots of diodes to get the sound he was looking for, but there is variation even among original Klons due to that. None of them sound better or worse, they are all just slightly different.

[@ericvalverderosado2046]

Just buy the Chinese one instead of buying a pedal worth a motorbike

[@midnightshroud527]

Better still, buy the chinese one AND a chinese replica motorbike of your choice ... They'll both still be there when you get back from your world cruise.

[@aaronsanchezz]

@@midnightshroud527 the replica motorcycle gonna be waaay slower tho lol

[@admiralrng6506]

@@midnightshroud527 you can get a used SV 650 or a DRZ 400 SM with gear with the remaining $4900 something

[@SpacemanXC]

Buy Chinese graphics cards too. I hear they work great /s

[@CyberChrist]

My used BMW 328 was about 20% cheaper than that :P

[@gmanchefboy]

It didn't sound like a 5k vs $39, more like a $225 vs $39. Funny and informative....love it.

[@ReverendRaff]

I think the greatest difference (to my ear at least) was on the "clean" test and when both the gain and treble were waaay up. Still though, way closer than I would have thought.

[@lorenzodappiano4502]

Where can I get the “Insane Klone Posse” shirt?

[@RothingBrain]

Chibson

[@bruhemiancrapsody6392]

chibson i think, they're a satirical brand

[@lorenzodappiano4502]

Thanks!

[@Vivi_9]

@@lorenzodappiano4502 fucking overdrives how do they work?

[@TomHorler]

Where do I find Chibson, I can only see insta and Facebook where do they sell stuff?

[@bernardosilva7306]

Always amazes me when someone cannot believe that two circuits that are identical sound the same :D

[@GreatBurningNullifier]

LOL Are you implying that those two pedals sound the same??! Because they definitely don't.

[@bernardosilva7306]

@@GreatBurningNullifier No two analog pedals will EVER sound the same, even from the same company! Capacitors change overtime, imprecisions on the components can drastically affect the overall sound. POTs normally have a 20% margin of error alone! Do those two pedals sound the same? No. Do two original Klon pedals sound the same? No. Do they do the same "job"? Yes. Identical circuits are "almost" identical in sound, it is simple engineering. If you remove the "bias" of thinking that one "sound" is $5000 and the other is $30, some people will prefer one over the other and some will be the inverse (it is a matter of taste and margin of error on the circuit components).

[@GreatBurningNullifier]

@@bernardosilva7306nah the cheap one sounds like a simulation, the original one sounds way better overall, way more pleasing to the ear, that being said no pedal is worth $5000.

[@bernardosilva7306]

@@GreatBurningNullifier Try a "clone" with better components, for example the Tumnus or the Archer... :D... This cheap one is too cheap, probably have high compromises on parts that have far more margin of error :D

[@GreatBurningNullifier]

​@@bernardosilva7306 That's exactly my point, this is a cheap copy and doesn't sound as good as the original or a "clone" with better components.

[@TomGlander]

"Tone is in the ear of the beholder." Never were truer words spoken.

[@martinheath5947]

The original pedal has entered another world better known as the "art market", ie elite money laundering

[@ibsulon]

The Original is like having a piece of history or an antique.

[@martinheath5947]

@@ibsulon or an artwork

[@juliAnarchist]

$5000 is "elite money laundering"? LOL

[@martinheath5947]

@@juliAnarchist Not the pedal, the "art" world

[@j_freed]

Places to hide your assets so these cannot be tracked like money.

[@LiterallyJustA357]

The Return of The King

[@1Keef]

Definitely a loss of detail and clarity in the knock-off pedal. It reminds me of the loss of detail when we used to make a cassette copy (this really ages me) of a vinyl record. The second generation analogue copy never had the same level of detail. But for $35 I would definitely buy one. In the end it boils down to one question-is the incremental improvement in sound worth $4,965 to you? Cheers and all the best for 2021

[@django-unchained]

Yes a clear difference with the Chinese replica being more compressed and less overtone-shime. But the difference varies from settings. Very very interesting comparison. And the difference in most places is vague and up to the players fingers.

[@titaseafell6520]

4:40 -"This is my clean sound" - Strums some heavily overdriven chords

[@armandomorales3809]

I hate how much compression and eq they do makes the ability to tell the difference harder.

[@EliElland]

Right. I guess he had a 5 watt tv amp on 11

[@mvyper]

He just has to grow a beard, now. 😂

[@garybackstrom183]

Ok I thought the same When I show a clean tone it’s a very clear bell like tone No overdrive

[@JohnShalamskas]

I completely agree, I hate when reviewers never demonstrate a CLEAN clean tone first (*cough* Chapman *cough*.) Yeah, I get it, this pedal is usually used to push an already breaking up amp into harder breakup, but we also want to hear what the pedal is doing to a CLEAN tone as well. Otherwise you are only demoing your amp and not the pedal.

[@geeksquadproduqtionz]

"Wish gets 20,000 orders of that pedal randomly"

[@GlobeZ87]

Ordered three yesterday before I watched this video...It might could be a little delayed delivery after this😂😂😂😂

[@blackfishgaming7145]

I just got one of these cheap ones in the mail... sounds amazing. Best $35 I've spent on gear in a while. I've been collecting great gear (new and vintage) for 30 years. This is legit and cheap. Does it sound like a $5000 pedal?? -Nope, but it sounds really good for a knock-off.

[@partriotsfight5039]

Its pretty amazing what you can do with an MXR 10 band paired with the Klon Clone. I bet with minor tweaking you can get the tone identical to any ear.

[@tompoynton]

It’s just nice to hear someone play a Klon with the gain above 7 o’clock

[@Zobavajaina]

You're the only person I've ever heard of actually receiving their order from wish

[@AndrewCCM]

I got mine after 2 months and a full refund. Ended up with a decent Klon knockoff for free. ;)

[@j_freed]

Shh, it's supposed to be a magical company....

[@johnnygordon5947]

I just ordered from wish have not got anything yet hope I get money back she gate is a scam also

[@BizarrePudding]

Ordered one on 1/2/21 and got it yesterday, 1/15/21...

[@earldaily7107]

Weird bought a head unit off switch years ago they beat every other vendor by at least $50 and don’t remember a long ship time. Honestly I thought I was getting scammed atm but tried it. To bad to hear they screwing customers

[@teamaster592]

The 5k has really something special that is worth to my ears.

[@ianthekirkland]

@Luke Hill and others...Agreed. The differences are subtle, but "one dimensional" is an apt description for the cheaper one. It just feels like the expensive box has richer harmonic layering, particularly at the high end. I think the more important question regards production: If your mics, mic'ing, mix, or mastering suck, neither pedal is going to sound $5,000-awesome. If you can't properly capture and commit that sound then why bother with the price tag?