The 5 Most Underrated Starfleet Ship Classes

[@simonkerr1899]

The Ambassador had a very brief appearance in DS9 at the battle of Worf 359 in the opening minutes.

[@mrfleagal]

I also really like the Norway class, and that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I am from Norway, nope, totally not that. in all seriousness it is a really nice ship.

[@thegreenmanofnorwich]

I like it as a design, but I'm not sure I really like it as a Starfleet ship.

[@benperez6454]

It's always been one of my favorites just because of how it looks

[@88porpoise]

To me the Norway looks great at a glance. But the more I look at it, the weirder the split structure seems to be. It really feels like something is missing from it.

[@enoughothis]

I love the look of the NX refit. It bridges the gap between the bare bones NX-01 Enterprise and the later ships of Starfleet, by adding a secondary hull.

[@jamesabernethy7896]

Totally agree on the NX- refit. Even though it shares a look with Akira which is favourite design. I hate the standard NX class. That secondary hull makes it feel Star Trek and I love it. Also, I saw a picture of a Miranda in the TOS style and it looks awesome.

[@mattwho81]

I like the idea zephram Cochrane designed his NX-01 Enterprise in his rather blurry look at Enterprise-E. Heck, he even stole the name!

[@enoughothis]

@@mattwho81, that would mean that the distinctive shapes of Starfleet ships wasn't the product of some design process to find a superior ship but rather was a self-fulfilling prophecy about the destiny of the United Federation of Planets.

[@SchardtCinematic]

The Olympic class has the look of what it's supposed to be. A Hospital in Space. It feels medical in its look.

[@sirtaron]

I like the sabre class. It is shown only a few times but I think it is a good little ship.

[@winkles2314]

“This is going to ruffle some feathers.” *proceeds to not really say anything controversial*

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i had to give warning given the response on my defiant video.

[@winkles2314]

Venom Geek Media 98 Well that's because you were WRONG is your Defiant video REEEE

[@haroldcarfrey4381]

The dominion war was the last deployment of the last of the Ambassadors, none survived

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

thats probably most fitting and makes sense, as it is something of an odd one out, its not quite heavy enough to be a battleship, but not light enough to work with the cruisers, similar to what happened to 2nd and 3rd rate ships of the line. too heavy but not enough firepower.

[@lanebowles8170]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 What is your opinion of the use of the Ambassador class USS Excalibur from Star Trek: New Frontier? I personally liked it and the series.

[@xarglethegreat]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 the 3rd rates, specifically the 74s were the preferred type during the height of 'the age of sail' essentially being the standard battleship, with most navies having one or two 1st rates at most in a fleet, the 74s were found to have the best combinatin of firepower, agility and durability with the 100+ gun 1st rates being somewhat more cumbersome. it helped that the superior rate of fire of british crews gave RN 74s the same EFFECTIVE firepower as a 1st rate

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 So basically battlecruisers?

[@SchardtCinematic]

I always loved the Enterprise C. It should have had it's own series along with Sulu on his ship

[@erictheblue7256]

Thanks for revealing the Nimrod class. This is my first time seeing it, and it generated the same feeling I had the first time I saw the Telsa Cybertruck. Both designs were so unexpected I couldn't form a like or hate opinion and just scratched my head. I've really come to like the Cybertruck design over time, and I think I'll form the same impression of the Nimrod eventually.

[@deaks25]

The Ambassador class and ships of that era I've seen referred to as the 'Lost Era' because there is that huge period of time that bridges the TMP (Miranda, Constellation, Constitution) era and the TNG era and is one of my favourite periods to think about. The Warp Delta to me has always looked like it may have evolved from the Phoenix; the hull with a pair of nacelles sticking out, which is a great bridge between the NX-designs and the first warp ships humanity would have built. The Olympic is far, FAR less offensive than the Jeager class. It's a nice throw-back to the Daedalus. It's a design that's never upset me. Starfleet's advantage is they try out different designs and ideas and I can imagine designers re-visiting designs from the past for new ideas, in this case the Daedalus. The Norway class looks a bit awkward and weak with that space between the nacelles, but I like your reasoning; a fast, a relatively heavily armed (For it's size) interdictor frigate makes a lot of sense in the Anti-Borg fleet. Fits the Intrepid class design language as well.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

im glad you agree.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

I like the Olympic and Norway too - though they never really justified the big gap, at the rear, enough, perhaps. Olympic maybe just needed a more rounded underside? I still don't really mind it, though. Nimrod looks too grey, too modern and too generic, in some ways. Niagara-class would have been a sight to see, and the Cheyenne, even more so.

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 you got to understand that Starfleet didn't make these top a lot of these top-of-the-line chips they only made six galaxies before wolf 359 they had the parts for six more there's only going to make 12 the nebula class they might have had 10 of those and maybe they made 20 or 30 of the ambassador you know and 10 of them were destroyed at Wolf 359 maybe a couple got destroyed in the border wars but mainly the board of wars was fought with like Constitution refit that's what happened to those and excelsior's and reliant class and that was good enough Starfleet didn't have no major enemies you know they had like a hundred excels 200 reliance you know and that's all they needed until wolf 359 and then they realize they had to up at their game now they might have started making if they had any parts for any ambassadors then like they did the galaxies they probably slapped them together quick as they could and updated them I think the ambassador did operate a lot in the Dominion where we just didn't get to see it I think Starfleet made maybe about 40 of them and they was going to make maybe 20 galaxies and maybe 30 nebulous and that was it but they never needed that many oh and the Cheyenne remember they made Cheyenne's and New Orleans and they just didn't need you know these big chips these big powerful ships because the Klingons were allies and the Romans wasn't going to do nothing until the board came and the Dominion and then they started cranking out you know ships as much as they could but they want to make the new kind of defiance and the sovereigns and all that s*** but it took longer to make those and they had parts they still had excelsior parts they still had Galaxy parts so instead of making galaxies they make nebulous it was quicker and they can harm the nebula to the teeth and why make ambassador when you can make a nebula and arm the nebula to the teeth I always like the nebula better than the Galaxy I'm sorry if I could have my pic of s*** for the Dominion or I'd probably want a nebula arm to the f****** teeth plus they're comfortable as hell like the Galaxy I'd say the ambassador would be comfortable too see I think the ambassador was part of the golden oldies fleet it let the golden oldies

[@mahmoudsalaheddine8358]

@@venomgeekmedia9886i was surprised you hadn’t compared the Warp Delta to the Venture Star space plane.

[@austinvieira8720]

I laughed so hard when you said the Olympic class lol it's also my guilty pleasure! I love it's design, something so fascinating about it!

[@DarkestVampire92]

The main reason the Probert design wasnt used was not because it looked too much like the Enterprise D, but because it was too expensive and time consuming to make for a stingy-budget CBS TV show. They had to build it and get it ready for filming in as little time as possible, and at the time those curved shapes just werent easy to make. But yeah, 100% with you on the Nimrod class. Hell, i started writing a novel about the Nimrod class simply because there was so little about them, we never got to see them properly used, and their cool design is only seen in the background... i feel its more deserving of a frontline role.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

I would say that the Freedom, Kelvin, Federation, Walker, and Dauntless classes are 5 more ships that are underrated and under utilized in favor of spamming tens of thousands (I'd guess 30,000) of Mirandas and Excelsiors.

[@richjordan6461]

Only thing I can figure is that the Miranda class accidentally had a superior shield design outcome, superior to even new ship classes. A happy accident that pushed Starfleet to keep building them. Same with Excelsior and its engines or something.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

@@richjordan6461 actually I believe it wasnt shields...but production speed, the more advanced ships cost alot more resource and time wise, while the miranda and Excelsiors are more cost effective since they needed an army NOW...not in years, days, to get the same nubers with the more advanced ships would result in the shipyards being overrun.

[@jamesabernethy7896]

You saying that it looks like a beefier Constitution made my so happy because I've always felt that. Everyone compares it to the Excelsior but I never saw the similarities or the evolution between them. The evolution towards the Galaxy is obvious. The gap between C being destroyed and D being launched... there has to be a story there!

[@philtkaswahl2124]

Olympic feels like a flying hospital, so mission accomplished.

[@randybaumery5090]

06:02-- its a definite salute to one of the early concepts for Kirk's Enterprise whenever the show was being pitched.

[@stevenmyers6439]

I grimaced as you said the Olympic class haha. Each to their own though.

[@davidponseigo8811]

The Warp Delta also called the Ganges or Neptune makes me think of a 22nd century Defiant Class. Put a couple of pulse phasers and a couple of torpedo launchers and there you go.

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

I remember the first time we were introduced to the warp delta ship was in the Star Trek Enterprise episode 'The Expanse' when it and several other ships came to the aid of the Enterprise when it came under attack by a Klingon Bird of Prey under the command of Duras.

[@wargodsix]

Ambassador would make a great ambassador transport makes sense

[@erol2245]

i think it would be too big to be an ambassador ship, but i agree.

[@wargodsix]

@@erol2245 back in her primary service days yes but tng and later then no becuz it’s a older ship so it’s only upgraded so much, I think they didn’t build anymore post ds9 becuz to many of the saucers were refitted For star bases

[@danielboatright8887]

@@wargodsix They likely stopped building them prior to TNG.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

They seem to have built them from around 2318 to 2335... (going roughly off registries, Alpha and Beta canon)

[@wargodsix]

@@danielboatright8887 yea it was mostly what was still left they still used the hulls for space stations don’t fix what’s not broken they used the basic saucer from it for Jupiter station

[@davidponseigo8811]

The Ambassador Class has always been my favorite.

[@Intriguing1998]

The first Star Trek ep I ever saw was yesterday’s enterprise. Loved the ambassador ship ever since

[@penguinmaster7]

the ambassador class bridges the gap between the constitution and galaxy classes better than the excelsior class. it looks like that perfect mix of both designs. super beautiful ship, wish we saw more of it. that said, the ambassador class is my oc Captain M'Trasi's class of choice, specially commissioned with up-to-date technology and features. the holodeck is big enough to simulate an entire city with pre-loaded programs such as early 21st century tokyo, Risa powerboarding, and "date night with Dr. T'ana". speaking of lower decks, Boimler is actually his number one.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

Wait... the Olympic is your weakspot...the Olympic is a fine medical ship

[@tomaspabon2484]

My guilty pleasute is the Curry-Class. I LOVE the unorthodox layout, it's carrier role and its neat-o naming conventions.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly fabulously well done and very wonderfully informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the 5 Most Underrated Starship Classes of Starfleet and I myself love them all each and every one of them, And I myself own each and every one these Starship's from Eaglemoss Die-cast Models and an Olympic and Ambassador from Micro Machines and I also have model kits of the Ambassador class in 3 different scales and one of the Warp Delta in 1:1000 scale!; Any ways a job very nicely spectaculary well done indeed Sir!👌.

[@jimmyg7757]

I totally agree with the mention of the Norway class. It’s a class that deserves just a bit more light on it.

[@t4rv0r60]

It is star trek and very indeed canon. We dont need fake fans here, thanks.

[@barrybend7189]

I would love a Battle cruiser variant of the Olympic class. Give it Voyager's warp cores and it's secondary hull full of phaser cannons and go full on Age of sail galleon on enemy ships.

[@HardlyQuinn]

Don't like any of the sphere ships but I appreciate why people could

[@Arcboltkonrad13]

I actually really like the Olympic class. I wish STO would update the design and get us a proper T6 variant of it.

[@90lancaster]

I suppose if I had to really look for something to complain about I might suggest the ship has a bit to many windows to be safe. But it's not a combat vessel It does look a bit like a microphone with nacelles but I don't dislike it - it's a suitable homage to the Daedalus class.

[@trevorfilis537]

I designed a starfleet ship for myself that was spherical but ended up abandoning it. After this, I think I am going to go back to it and flesh it out a little more, make it look better. This has inspired me.

[@merafirewing6591]

I was expecting an space Liner, but not a hospital ship.

[@brandonwachter2264]

Yes!! Yes. The Olympic class. I am with you brother. Thank you. I've always loved the Olympic and obviously had to defend it lol. I dig it. I designed a spherical hull,4 nacelle (Heavy/Battle cruiser) for the Federation back in the day. That's how much I love it. Edit: Also see Minuteman class vessel.

[@descendinguniverse]

I`m still not sure whether they really thought USS Veangence was going to be something cool or just wanted to mock ST fans, like let`s add an extremely powerful and large ship on Federation standards with the most generic design and name haha. Also agree with #4, in fact I think all ENT-era ships deserved more screen time and such, Vulcan, Andorian, etc.

[@90lancaster]

If you read the Eaglemoss Blerb for the Nemesis - you get the impression of what it would operate like as a fully crewed ship and all it's various features. It does have one thing a bit broken in it - but that maybe down to set design and poor writing - which is to do with the main cargo entrance/shuttlebay doors - or rather it's lack of them. They also don't show what knocks the Enterprise out of warp well enough for most people to catch what is going on - but it is it's semi-autonomous heavy drones that knock the ship out of FTL but you can only really see them if you slow the footage down really slow. The non-warp drones she has dozens off the phaser ball turrets, the hanger bay placement - the moving armour - it's all very interesting to me.

[@shanenolan8252]

Olympic me too . It's a hospital ship yes it echoes daedalus class it's cool. Hospital ships are mentioned in ds9 they gave 25 of them to the romulans during the dominion war

[@beansproutnow]

Just found your channel, great stuff sir!

[@mackenziebeeney3764]

I’ve developed an appreciation for the Norway watching your videos, and seeing it as having a role in the fleet. I used to think it was just a reimagined or more armed Intrepid.

[@jamesmagill5433]

Good discussion on these starships.

[@jinsetayinsei4146]

With great valor, I shall draw mine saber and face peril with thee, for I, being like-minded, find the Olympic class appealing, though for differing reasons, perhaps. Logistically, a sphere is superior to a saucer. Even if the sphere is the 'starship' part with the nacelles in what I'd call the tertiary hull and the secondary hull was the hospital, I'd still be happy with it. I'm pretty sure this is fan lore, but its my personal preference to run with it; The Ambassador proved an engineering failure shortly after entering service. She was given a very powerful warp core with a simple and robust distribution grid. This made her secondary systems the last to fail, but the Ambassador's primary systems failed to properly exploit the potential of her core. Her shields could be reinforced by the deflector, but the emitters were indirectly connected via relays. This was the same for weapons and even life support. These relays made maintenance an unpleasant beach. Records from the Enterprise C's destruction worsened the Ambassador's questionable reputation and showed her best quality was that she could take a beating. Fixes to the Ambassador's design flaws made her too costly, and with the possibility of a renewed Romulan threat, Starfleet decided to wait for a new class in which to commission an Enterprise and scaled back production of the Ambassador. There's a lot of presumption is this, but it offers a decent explanation as to why a second Ambassador didn't get named 1701D and why an Enterprise wasn't commissioned until 15 years later. No complaints for the Delta V. She looks just fine. The Norway? It would be nice if that gap was for a detachable module. Then I wouldn't care one iota. She is a gorgeous little ship that deserves more attention. The Nimrod... I'd prefer the nacelles to be beefier, but otherwise not bad. Next to the Discovery, the Nimrod almost follows the same design theme, but would really look like an alternate faction ship compared to the original curvy designs. To be frank, it looks like someone stole Starfleet designs rather than alternative. It reminds me of the earliest Orion designs. Since you have alien vessels, its hard to be an alternate faction without looking alien. To that end, you should make slight changes to normal faction ships to make them look 'alternate'.

[@Ecki_Meerschweinchen]

It's very illogic that the flying hospital is 3-hit, but if the olympic class had stronger shields, id should really be used more often. E. G. It could save rescue capsules from being shot.

[@justin3415]

I always liked the Ambassador class and always felt they fought in the War,but where held in the rear guard defending core worlds.The Olympic class isn't bad. It reminds me of a Ice-cream scoop.The Norway and steamrunner,Sabre are pretty cool.Those classes remind me of the defiant.Great video

[@manuelbrunner299]

My Top 5 in such a list are: Ambassador Class, New Orleans Class, Norway Class, Intrepid Class (ENT Era) and Steamrunner Class.

[@90lancaster]

i LIKE THE Norway class as it looks like it might be able to land on a flat surface with it only needing some little legs in the nacelles.

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

The Olympic class is _awesome!_ I love spherical primary hulls. I literally squealed in glee when I saw it in Lower Decks 😂

[@joshuahadams]

The low, mostly saucer ships from the early Federation/Earth, the NXs, Deltas, and Freedoms, are all cool as hell. The later callbacks with the Akiras and Norways add on to that.

[@t3rr0talabode52]

Not generally a fan of discovery, but even I have to admit that the Nimrod class looks awesome. Good work. Also, my top 5: 1. Saber (designed in the same role as the defiant, that says a lot of it's petigree). Slightly larger, but really good bang for your buck. Large enough to do some multi-role duties in peacetime too. Nice looks. 2. Streamrunner, 3. "Venture" class mission scout (Data's ship at the beginning of inserrection). Smaller than the Delta flyer (40 metric tons lighter) with a very nice design. Type six phaser arrays, although its slower speed might indicate a weaker power plant. Still, in my opinion THIS is what Starfleet shuttles should aspire to be in terms of looks alone. For a small ship, it looks GREAT. I take one look at it and can say "that's a small ship from an advanced sci-fi civilization, it looks like it means business. Pods are nice, but the hybrid wing look has me hooked. 4. Akira: Galaxy class, but smaller, more maneuverable, loaded with torpedoes, less crew, and hangar space. Also hangar space makes it better for multirole as well. While it's known as a good ship, I think many people don't realize how good of a ship it is. If I had the chance to produce a Prometheus or a Akira class vessel, I might choose the Akira, depending on the situation. And with the Prometheus being the writer's attempt to make as OP a ship as possible, that's saying a lot. 5. Intrepid: (controversial) while Voyager showed it could survive, I think it simultaneously underrated the firepower/effectiveness for such a ship. You do NOT want to face a squadron with intrepids in the battlegroup, not with those weapons at that size. That thing has the same type of phasers as the galaxy class, better torpedoes than the galaxy class, is MUCH faster, and is 1/6th the size. While we don't know how much more or less power output the intrepid class can put into the phaser arrays, I doubt it's 1/6. Pound for pound, that's an effecient ship, and I think having every other Voyager episode wrecking/disabling it underscores its abilities.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i do like the Venture shuttle, and its a nice departure from the 'space vans' we normally get

[@davebignell773]

Wasn't there an Intrepid class in DS9 - if I recall, the USS Bellerophon, the flagship of the Starfleet Admiral who was working with Sisko? For an Admiral to choose an Intrepid as his flagship says a lot about the capabilities of that class.

[@imperiumcommentingnetwork4677]

If the galaxy and constitution class adopted a kid, the ambassador would be it.

[@markhanford9395]

I like the Olympic Class Hospital Ship too. I like seeing a well rounded fleet.

[@robertcampbell6349]

+1 for the Olympic class. It's an homage to Matt Jefferies' early sketches for the TOS Enterprise, which became the Dadelus class.

[@realamerican7626]

the main reason we don't see the Norway-class is because after first contact, the computer file for the Norway was corrupted and the file could not be salvaged. The class was meant to be seen a lot in DS9 Dominion war.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

Then why not make a new file

[@realamerican7626]

@@paulrasmussen8953 probably because it was to late to make one since 90% of the battle scenes for DS9 were already filmed. And second, do you have any idea how hard and long it takes to make something like that?

[@paulrasmussen8953]

@@realamerican7626 they had images

[@realamerican7626]

@@paulrasmussen8953 to model even a runabout costed thousands of dollars and dozens of work hours. Thats why you see so much reused footage. To redo the model just wasn't worth the time or money. It is sad, but thats how it works.

[@brandonwachter2264]

Ambassador class was criminally underused. It was a very great design. With all the Excelsior & Miranda variants still in use. I was always like "where the hell are all the Ambassador class vessels?!"

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

The Olympic Class is a ridiculous design it looks like a 24th century update of a Daedalus Class which is why it was so easily destroyed in the TNG Season 7 2 part episode 'All Good Things' where in an alternate future a ship of the Olympic Class was under the command of Beverly Crusher/Picard but I guess it's no surprise as Starfleet seems to be nostalgic as they built the Akira Class which is similar in design to the NX Class the only difference is the position of the warp nacelles where with the NX Class the warp nacelles were positioned on pylons above the Saucer section where with the Akira Class the warp nacelles position was the same but reversed with them slung under the saucer section.

[@BigHistoryBuff44]

I would love to have seen more of the Ambassador class. seemed like it was the 'Galaxy' of her day.

[@richjordan6461]

How many times did we see an Ambassador on screen? I'm asking because I don't know

[@RichtorLazlo]

Nova class, loved it before I seen it on screen and haven’t seen it Sense. I one hundred percent agree with the ambassador class, pretty big fan of the warp delta, but where is the Daedalus class it should had been in enterprise somewhere from time to time.

[@jonm3427]

As seperate human factions go, I kinda like the idea of there still being humans out there who are still as Ferengi-like as our current politicians, preachers, and business owners are. I like the idea of conflict between them and the Federation.

[@thefishoftruth235]

The Olympic class is actually a great design in my opinion

[@ryank5424]

I believe that an ambassador class is mentioned in the TNG episode conspiracy but we never see her :( . would have been neat to see it once in a while instead of always an excelsior (nothing against that class by the way.

[@brucenadeau2172]

just that there was not many ambassador as excelsior which was in production for 80 years

[@lanceheaps581]

Ryan K you are right Walker Keel’s ship was the Horatio an Ambassador class. All that is seen is the debris of the Horatio.

[@lanceheaps581]

@@brucenadeau2172 I doubt the Excelsior was actually produced for 80 years. It is more likely that it was like the Nimitz class aircraft carrier that was produced for about 35 years. However the last Nimitz will probably still be in service into the mid 2050s. 35 year production run with 50 year service life gets you to still being in the fleet 80 years after the first Nimitz was produced. Excelsiors were probably produced from the late 2270s until the late 2320s. Probably have a service life of 75 years so you would still see Excelsiors in the fleet until the late 2390s early 2400s. However I doubt their production run was more than 50 years.

[@kdrapertrucker]

You saw the Enterprise C, that was an Ambassador class ship.

[@duncancunningham5505]

Also the Excalibur that riker takes command of in TNG for the blockade to stop the romulans from interfering in the Klingon civil war was an ambassador class at that point in time

[@RoballTV]

You see one Ambassador class in DS9 but it's the flashback scene to Wolf 359, so I'd guess your theory is right, DS9 doesn't pretend they don't exist, but they do seem to be a class that the Federation just doesn't need to field anymore. Guess it just didn't make sense to keep making them when they essentially spawned the Galaxy class, basically Ambassador V2.0 not long after.

[@saalkz.a.9715]

And to be fair, the Nebula class is in the same(ish) size range and has the same(ish) internal volume as the Ambassador in a more modern and versatile package. Not to mention the fact that the Nebula class is (most likely) much stronger (a special the variant with the triangular weapons pod), so why would SF build more Ambassadors?(and I'm saying this despite the fact that I love the Ent.-C's design)

[@QalOrt]

Ambassador is my week spot, also I do love the Olympic Class, that sphere primary hull is always cool.

[@imperiumcommentingnetwork4677]

really like the Norway class too, and not just because I'm almost half norwegian.

[@Matthew_Raymond]

I think you kind of answered your own question with the Ambassador class. The design is more of a throwback to pre-Excelsior designs, which makes it feel out of place in a fleet dominated by more organic-looking designs like the Excelsior, Nebula and Galaxy-class ships.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

When I first say the Olympic class I did not like it, however it has come to grow on me. As for the Nimrod class, I'm more okay than most for it being "out of place". Section 31 has always been 3 steps ahead of it's peers and a ship that looks like it's belongs in the mid 25th century does emphasize that. Also I like how it's name "Nimrod". It is in reference to the word's original meaning "Great Hunter" and to an extent its modern meaning of "foolish".

[@GRIGGINS1]

The Vengeance is one of the very few ships in Star Trek that harken back to the old days of the US Navy. It is big it badass and it was not defeated in ship to ship combat. Had Admiral Marcus not held back and delayed. It would have outright destroyed the Enterprise.

[@farkelrysunhope6339]

I love this ship too. Looks mean and nothing would touch it in that time line.

[@maximusstarblazer]

The Ambassador class I believe would of been a solid ship class for converting to warships pulled from "mothball" storage and sent to the front lines of the Dominion war. These ships (if they make in decent numbers?) could have been TANKS.

[@markhanford9395]

The Nimrod Class main hull reminds me of the Narn cruisers from B5.

[@90lancaster]

The Enterprise C took a hell of a pounding - whereas the Enterprise D gets repeatedly blown up as someone sneezed wrong. Or Geordi spilled his coffee on a console or some such. I think if the Ambassador Class had traditional angled struts & slightly longer Nacelles it would a heck of a lot like a Constitution class. I kinda like the Niagara as well with it's wacky semi-dreadnought look it has going on with the extra Nacelle. Another oddity I like is the variation of the Intrepid class with a saucer instead of an arrow-head primary hull. (only seen in like one comic)

[@karlmajerus6263]

I also love the ambassador class. This design looks like the constitution and excelsior classes had a baby. The saucer is an updated constitution with an excelsior neck. The front of the secondary hull is constitution and the rear is excelsior. This design predates the Galaxy class by twenty years. Picard said Enterprise c was missing twenty years before his Enterprise launched.

[@jonnybridin]

The Ambassador class was clearly in several ship battles in DS9. Sacrifice of Angels for example. It is relegated to background duty though.

[@mickmellir7107]

About the Nimrod ship u are right about everything but one this is the type of ship that would be "Hero Thief" bait it is the cool bad guy that is just to cool to be working for the bad guys

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yes true. but i feel thats been lost not only in recent trek, but entertainment as a whole. oh for the days when the villains were cooler.

[@mandelbrot5]

The Norway is like the A-10, it's not ugly it's ship built around it's guns.

[@AvroBellow]

The Warp Delta was called the Emmette-type (or Emmette-class if you prefer). The Nimrod-class just looks like an evil version of the Prometheus-class. I personally think that the Centaur-class is also underrated.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

The Emmette is technically a more primitive design, flatter, and closer to a VentureStar, seen only in Enterprise's open credits.

[@AvroBellow]

@@chrissonofpear1384 I thought that the Warp Delta was just a refit using the Emmette's spaceframe but I could be wrong. In any case, it lookslike the T'Liss BOP.

[@climberly]

Every time I see that medical ship I just can't help but think it looks like a giant Hitachi vibrator. The fact that Beverly Crusher is the captain doesn't help dispell that image either.

[@AceofCairne]

LMAO, work that vibrator doctor.

[@glyrr]

Well vibrators use to be used by doctors for medical reasons.

[@climberly]

@@glyrr what do you mean used to? My girlfriend says her doctor uses one on her all the time.

[@richjordan6461]

Hahahaha. Its almost the color too

[@sagesheahan6732]

For me, I love the way the Yeager-class looks. Thats be in my top 5. As well as the Niagara, the New Orleans, and the Norway.

[@Watcher1134]

Ambassador-Yes Warp Delta-Season 5 Olympic-Yay Norway-Why didn't you return? Nimrod-Awesome

[@danielboatright8887]

The Warp Delta was a real shame, one of the early warp capable combat ships from earth, it would have been awesome if they explained it was short range, lacking an antimatter reactor and having an impulse fusion reactor that generated plasma and power for warp, replying on deuterium fuel tenders to go further distances. That would also further fit in Balance of Terror when Scotty says the clearly warp capable Rom BOP has simple impulse... it lacked an antimatter reactor as well. That alone could have helped ground the Enterprise era as not the same tech with a different name and an episode or two of it malfunctioning before it just works like we got

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah, i tried to include that in my Romulan War series with starfleet learning the importance of supply and logistics

[@danielboatright8887]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Well to be fair, it wouldnt be a new lesson. Many of the naval traditions of Earths wet navies would have transitioned to Starfleet quite nicely, such a logistics hurdles for ships.

[@rodneymcgeejr1842]

The ship referenced as the "Warp Delta" was also called the United Earth/Pre-Federation Intrepid class

[@haroldcarfrey4206]

They where used in DS9, but they suffered serious losses. More and more Miranda, Excelsior, Ambassador, and even older vessels appear later in the Dominion war as losses mounted.

[@BigJeremyBeyer]

The Norway Class looks like they started building an Intrepid, but they didn't have all the parts they needed, so they improvised.

[@jorgedavila4920]

My guilty pleasure ship is the Oberth class

[@igncom1]

I'm a big fan of the Nova-Class. Little poor science ship, never meant to be away from home.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i like it as well, i really love the more angular/ sharper aesthetic, and its far more capable than its predecessor.

[@ryanmonument3992]

Love the Ambassador class. It's my fav Next Generation styled ship (I find the Galaxy an ugly, bulbous design...just looking at the thing you can tell it probably handles like a drunk elephant). The Ambassador class just has this sleek and elegant look to it. Far and away my fav Next Gen ship. Ultimately I much prefer the movie-era design aesthetics, where the ships looked like ships and not flying lava lamps lol.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah the ambassador works as a Jumbo Connie.

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

Ambassador class was less of a warship then the Excelsior class which was the last "true" warship class the federation put out before the "long peace". they were more explorer and diplomatic ships, that fell out of favor during the cardasian boarder wars. Upgrading Excelsior classes and using them as heavy torpedo cruisers, they were cheaper, tougher, and better flag ships for admirals

[@danielboatright8887]

Ambasador Class, my headcannon anyway, was a short lived design because once the cardasian wars ended the tech had advanced enough that newer designs were on the table, and they just were not built for that long or in large numbers, and as many of the techs of TNG came about or were refined further, it was easier to focus on the Nebula class and the upcoming galaxy class, ao the ambassador class just never had the numbers built to be widely seen, a few dozen federation wide tops maybe. Dont get me wrong, I love the ship, its one of my all time favorites, but being one of the early array based phaser armed ships and coming during a change in eras of shipbuilding, it just never got produced in bulk.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah certainly once the dominion war comes round, its like why build a ambasador when you can build a galaxy.

[@danielboatright8887]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Its not an obsolete ship, by any means, but its an out of production older model, albiet one that still has decades of service left in it thru refits. By the time of TNG/DS9 Id even downgrade it to medium or light cruiser to reflect that its an aging design. And yes, the excelcior was pretty much spammed, but it was also one of the best ships for a long period without radical advances in the systems, where the Ambasador lacked that stability in allowing it to remain a mainstay.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Hence why Beta canon updated some, like the Excalibur and Exeter, to keep operating a bit longer, I suppose. (ala New Frontier novels)

[@pt29999]

Nothing wrong with the Olympic, I think the Daedalus looks cool

[@jeremycaufield8605]

It’s Constellation class for me, wish it had more screen time.

[@traviswebb7585]

I always got the impression that the Ambassador class came out as they were Starting development on the Galaxy class. So I don't feel that a lot were made.

[@spergicide97]

I love the your list for the most part. For number one, I don't like the idea of Section 31 being a big organization with its own fleet, but I do agree that it looks fantastic. Its only flaw (aside from being it a horrid space battle scene) was the fact that it is actually called nimrod class.

[@imperiumcommentingnetwork4677]

In Star Trek Legacy (video game) the warp delta is also known as a Jupiter class. (in the uu mod)

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

others call it the ganges. i think delta is simple enough.

[@foresta-2684]

The steamrunner is my favorite One critique I have is that you said this may ruffle some feathers and its my opinion. Too much it came across as annoying and unconfident Aside from Thant this video was alright

[@DavidFerriday]

I figured the Ambassadors are on extremely long term missions past the fringes and this is why we don't really see many of them in TNG/DS9. Maybe 10 year+ missions.

[@danielboatright8887]

The olympic class ai think works for its purpose of medical ship, or even other support roles like a mobile repair ship, the spherical hull moves more travel to turbolifts, allowing specef lcocations to be reached far faster, which would make life easier for a medical ship, a giant hospital capable of triage on a mass scale, perfect if a planet suffers a calamity.

[@kdrapertrucker]

On the Olympic class ship the secondary hull looks very much like the cargo ships from star trek: the animated series. Which makes sense IRL U.S. Navy hospital ships are based on modified commercial hulls.

[@gregnevels8111]

I like the Olympic class as well as the Daedalus class ships.

[@g.c.brooks7214]

I agree the Ambassador class is massively underrated. From what I've heard they damaged the filming model which is why we didn't see it that much.. I would've thought once they went to CGI they would've had it in the Dominion war battle sequences since it seems the Ambassador is more of a warship than Excelsior or the Galaxy class.

[@davidshafer1872]

I have to nope you there with the nimrod. If it's from discovery then it doesn't really exist.

[@Peaceforall20111]

I LOVE THE OLYMPIC, it is a kinda shameful but I love it also. I would love to see the inside of a hospital ship All that matters is what u like who cares who others think

[@casbot71]

The Vengeance would have worked if they had gotten rid of the Saucer Section and made it basically a variation on the Galaxy class Drive Section. Just cut off everything from in front the negative hull space in the saucer and carry back the cuts to remove the rest of the saucer, but keep the bridge and the top of the neck - yes that leaves the bridge even more exposed than in a traditional Saucer and Secondary hull, but it would _look mean…_ The weapon arms can either be mounted in the Primary hull or just enough of the Saucer can be kept to house them flush with the bridge and the Saucer is just wedge which enables the missile (?) arms to have amazing coverage, even to the rear. And cutting out the main Saucer loop would make the ship look more manoeuvrable and lithe, and make the Nacelles more prominent. It's now almost got a Bird of Prey look with a ready to lunge impression. A powerhouse that isn't a stationary Captial ship in a battle, but something that can get advantage on any ship while packing more firepower than a giant Battlecruiser. I'd like to see a mock up of that, just snap the front off a model.

[@TheDetailsMatter]

Perhaps I've just spent too much time watching old Blake's 7 reruns, but when the first visual for the Olympic class came up ( 6:00 ), I dared to hope someone had lifted a ship design idea from that... *_other_* Federation. To wit: A spherical engineering module housing both powerplant and warp engine cluster, a narrow, elongated wedge as the primary hull, and 3 enormously OP heavy weapons mounted on dorsal port & starboard and ventral outriggers in fixed aim along the forward axis of horizontal flight. Pure antiproton energy lances, or possibly even point-singularity cannons. Also bristling with secondary weapons, armored hull plating, and layered forcefield defense screens. Ordinarily crewed by several hundred, but sufficiently automated to allow a very small cadre of officers (say, seven of them) to operate all key functions should the need arise.

[@NanNaN-jw6hl]

1:00 -- casually mentions that the list might ruffle feathers; logo is very birdlike, plus emblazoned with the English word "WINGS" .... HAH! XD

[@Macintoshiba]

I'm relieved. I really thought you were gonna use oberth as number 1

[@rorymcclernon4674]

I really wish they used the ambassador a lot more in the shows.

[@Michael_H_Crabtree]

One reason I liked the Olympic Class was because we didn’t get a lot of new Federation ship classes during TNG, or at least, ones that weren’t half destroyed.