THE $60 SAGA: Why I Have No Faith In Total War Pharaoh Anymore

[@TheTerminatorGaming]

To be perfectly clear I haven't played the game yet, I don't know if it's fun or not, if it's worth $60 or not, but as a long time and currently avid Historical Total War player I have watched all of the footage and gameplay so far, I've read all of the material on the game so far and I am simply not impressed. Maybe I'm being too harsh, and genuinely hope I'm wrong, and despite a ton of missing features and cultures I really hope Pharaoh is actually a decent enough Historical game. But I now seriously doubt it.

[@BiRaitBec]

We have been given tons of material to look at, we are no fools, we can now discern very well what the game is gonna feel like and it is already something most will skip.

[@gabrielalejandrodoldan4722]

No eres tan duro con ellos, esta empresa esta podrida

[@TheManofthecross]

I think the sea peoples are those from say itially gaul or other cultures on the western side of the meddertrainian. who took to the sea and launched there attacks.

[@DGPStudios]

I will no longer buy any melee focused title based on the warscape engine. 10 years and it still fails to depict formation combat or collision.

[@ian69williams]

Welcome to the club not going to buy this.

[@Orendiz]

Remember don't let the fact that CA removed the saga title from their minigame fool you into thinking that it's anything but a saga title.

[@AstralJumper]

They have done a lot with their marketing, including re organizing the presentation of new Warhammer DLC to make them seem lager.

[@SSR2902]

No I think it is a main title. And I think you should stop expecting more for a while. Even if it is a title like Medieval 3 you should not expect more. And frankly I dont know way there is so much hipe for med 3. I hardly see a reason way it would be much different because its called that.

[@Orendiz]

@@SSR2902 You had me in the second half ngl

[@kingarthur7250]

Pharoah looks just like troy. Dumbed down battles etc. I want medieval ...shogun..or empire. I hate troy..3k and wh3...l want old Total war back..a Rome 3 etc...I want to zoom in see a actual battle not a blob of cartooney looking people hitting air and randomly dying. I've stopped buying tw and instead waiting for manor lord

[@Orendiz]

@@kingarthur7250 You wont get total war back my friend. Your med3, shogun3, empire 2 etc will be like rome 2, like warhammer, like 3k and like Pharoah. This is the direction they chose for the franchise becouse it appeals to a wider consumer audience. Hoaping they will go back to when the games were good is ignoring how CA communicated what they think about their playerbase (like the fact that history is too boring and not exiting compared to warhammer for a total war game) and how total war has been doing for the past decade.

[@quillo2747]

Pharos were known for their dynasties, so lets forget about families and dynesties and make the leader imortal

[@AlexiusDejan]

Worry not people, they will release more factions to fill out the map in 25$ race packs, oops i mean faction packs.

[@darthnihilus6211]

You optimist

[@SplendidFactor]

Remember to pay 40 Dollars to play the Mesopatamian campaign, and 35 dollars to play the Rise of Persia separate campaign!

[@IceniTotalWar]

Well we no longer need a crystal ball to make these predictions do we 😁😁. Unfortunately this will be proven true.

[@TheSejuice]

you mean content that people enjoying the game can buy and you can ignore? ok ret@rd whats the problem there? are you just one of those creepy incel racist, oops i means idi0t

[@niktnicniewie7057]

Don't forget about blood and gore dlc for 10$ xd

[@Chocosuchti]

I do not understand why CA can't combine all the good of past games. - Diplomacy of three kingdoms - map size of Rome II & Attilla - Trade from Troy - Naval from Napoleon (I understand way different time period) - Unit interactions of Shogun II You have the source codes - You know what people are asking for. How can you forget feedback from one game to another? LIke "oh we hear you want to be able to trade citires, sure I hear you" and then you remove naval or dumb down diplomacy... WTF

[@HowlingWolf518]

I think your mistake is assuming that CA's devs carry over from one historic game to another. CA Sofia made the Rome 2 DLCs and Troy, and being a B-team, likely has more interns and a higher turnover rate than the "main" studio.

[@EmergencyChannel]

Too busy making Warhammer games now, historical games are an afterthought..

[@rasmusjrgensen1566]

Medieval 2: Kingdoms expansion had 4 extremely unique campaigns, tons of new units and very different factions. This game looks like it's offering less than that, while costing more than double.

[@looseleaf8859]

we've gone down the dark gaming timeline where the now expectation is to release half baked unfinished games to squeeze the most money out of us possible for the least amount of content, and it just gets worse for the more greedy lead and passion-long-drained companies like CA has seemingly become. I hope we get out of this hole in the future as a society, this new social contract is a crappy place to be

[@Meat312]

M2TW appears to be on par with the scope of factions and size of map offered in TWP. The expansions for M2TW were sold individually offering basically "sub-games" for good chunks of change. Perhaps re- doing the old play-books.

[@chubbyninja89]

Oh do shut up. Quit acting like Medieval 2 was perfect without flaw, because it wasn't. Most of those "new" units were little more than just reskins of existing stuff, such as armored swordsmen and the like. I'm just sick of people bitching about CA daring to try new things, while you'd all whine if a Medieval 3 wasn't all but perfect.

[@mihalacheandrei926]

If Medieval 2 would have come today it would be the same price, as it would be the other way around. Costs will go up, understand this won't change. The problem is the lack of content for the price, not that it costs double compared to a game released in 2006.

[@Enkabard]

This is even smaller than 1/4th of DLC for Medieval 2, you cannot make this shit up, we are doomed

[@crabgamer3671]

The immortal faction leader is one of the worst things to happen to total war, Bring back dynamic faction leadership with a family tree

[@MrTreefoz]

Indeed. It only works in Warhammer, and even THEN, only for SOME leaders.

[@PNX034]

IMO this should have been an addition to Troy with map expansion and gameplay improvements

[@steyn1775]

Just like Napoleon total war should have been an dlc to Empire Total war

[@PNX034]

@@steyn1775 💯

[@kapitankapital6580]

It was originally supposed to be a DLC for Troy, but they realised nobody played Tr... I mean that the scope of the game was just too big to contain to a simple DLC!

[@IceniTotalWar]

It most likely was a Campaign expansion pack that got held back from Troy.

[@foster5188]

@@steyn1775 thats why napoleon was always more popular than empire huh?😂 stop acting like total war had any drama before 2013

[@KellyBomaye]

Hit the nail on the head. Couldn't have said it better myself. As someone who loves the Bronze Age and knows the potential it has for an incredible TW, this isn't doing it justice.

[@Self_Helpless]

Might as well stick to the Bronze Age mod for Attila 😂

[@HiggyBoyo]

I simply don’t understand how they fail this hard, even when the fans of historical total war games tell you what they want, I’m just going to stick to my modders for Attila and Rome 2.

[@appletree8981]

Same here. Modded Attila over these lame saga titles

[@RoulicisThe]

Rome 1 (the original, not the remake), Med 2 and now Attila have some of the best mod roster out of any game out there. Endless stream of content to have fun with

[@RigobertosTacoShop]

and the biggest bullshit is they refuse to go back and optimize Attila.. :(

[@fusrodah8627]

Don't forget Rome 2 with DEI and age of bronze@@RoulicisThe

[@RoulicisThe]

@@fusrodah8627 Indeed, especially relevant considering the topic of the video ^^

[@boplax123]

It's so sad to see how far CA and our beloved franchise has fallen. Ironic that they forgot how to make good historical titles when CA practically popularized the genre and made it mainstream. 😢

[@boplax123]

@@TheSejuice What the actual fck is this inc3l doing here?

[@eodyn7]

ummm Age of Empires?

[@LinkLegend0]

​@@eodyn7different gameplay loop and scope.

[@pieternoordenbos]

CA needs a competitor to become a marketing orientated company instead of a prodct orientated company.

[@IceniTotalWar]

We need this sooner than later .

[@darkprometheus]

thing is i'm not sure that is possible in that it would still be a total war-like game. I wouldn't know where to really begin when it comes to what CA actually has copywrited/trademarked when it comes to their games

[@macobuzi]

Exactly! They are in a too cofortable position to be creative.

[@azoniarnl3362]

I stepped over to Paradox games for my strategy needs, and have never looked back at Total War since.

[@miceliusbeverus6447]

@@azoniarnl3362 Well, most Paradox games are super broad and "realistic" by the historic names and features used, but usually shallow and repetitive when it comes to the way of thinking needed to play and win... I generally prefer Civilization (V or IV), they seem simpler or more "gamey" in terms of the number of elements, but actually do require making tough decisions, carefully weighing different options for expansion, avoiding unnecessary wars, etc. Any of those is deprived of battles RTS, anyway... And for a pretty deep simulation of ancient strategy, you might check out Aggressors: Ancient Rome for instance...

[@TheAchilles26]

The Bronze Age is a criminally underrated era. Sadly, it's looking like TW Pharaoh is going to continue underrating it.

[@ablibaba6423]

What the hell were they thinking when they were designing anatolia? Hatti have nowhere to expand. We'll be fighting other hattians 90% of time… +selling us dlc's without telling us what are they about.

[@POLITICUS-DANICUS]

Hitti

[@kayamkara6138]

Hitit@@POLITICUS-DANICUS

[@SignalLost730]

We? You mean you. I'm not wasting my money. If you want them to start listening to the community, stop spending your money on garbage. Quality has to go up as a result. It's that simple. It's not like we have a dozen other installments to play for half the price.

[@teeheeteeheeish]

The moment I saw the trailer I knew they would botch this tremendously. They could have called it "Total War: Bronze" and included everything you were talking about. The Bronze Age was incredible, and there is enough mystery surrounding it that really cool liberties could have been taken. Such a tragedy.

[@jacobwoods6888]

Very true

[@saber2802]

would've been cool if we could get bronze age China, something few talk about I feel.

[@CommanderRedEXE]

So... Total War Rome 3. Kinda the entire point of not making yet ANOTHER Bronze/Classical era game. Already had Rome 1 and 2 for that.

[@teeheeteeheeish]

@@CommanderRedEXE No.... just no. You are way off. That is not even close to the same era. The power dynamic is completely different, and eastern-centric.

[@saber2802]

@@CommanderRedEXE Rome 1 in terms of setting is closer to the modern day than the bronze age

[@raul-km6mq]

this game should be named bronze age and have 8 cultures at least. CA is selling this game in pieces

[@colink563]

Sea peoples mechanic will be exactly like Thrones of Britannia where you hit some random victory condition of the long campaign or total victory whatever, then they will show up after a years turn and try and raid your cities and occasionally capture them. More often then not this likely will just cause the game to crash.

[@perfectpushup13]

I saw in a video review (can't remember by who) that the Sea peoples will send a few half-stacks randomly to attack your settlements, that seemed to be the most we can expect from them at this point.

[@TheSejuice]

explain what you would expect from them ret@rd?

[@PinHeadSupliciumwtf]

Legend said he's not going to touch it because it is based on troy and he hates the gameplay (especially the battles) of that title.

[@gamingforever9121]

@@PinHeadSupliciumwtfbecause Troy sucks

[@xer1858]

I have lost faith in whole total war, i am just hoping for Ultimate General American Revolution which just seems like my dream

[@thesiberianproductions3748]

Yeah, I just wish ultimate Generals games were moddable.

[@JAubrey11]

Ultimate General American Revolution > You name it! I really hope this one will do what Total War Games refused to do since the mechanic overhaul they implemented with all this warhammer stuff. Just deep strategic decisions and immersive tactical battles...

[@princeimrahil6557]

UG is an awesome series

[@hectorvonkobra3951]

Sadly, I assume the lack of enthusiasm at CA/SEGA to create empire 2 total war stems from [insert nonsense indentity politics here] due to [insert woke explanation that identifies why the sins of old colonist countries are worst then the sins of colonised countries] and also [insert reason why modern day game studios desrie profits above quality. Where quality means more man-hours].

[@collencal4662]

@@hectorvonkobra3951🤡

[@Pigraider268]

Honestly the campaign map and mechanics could be good for some sort of Richard Lionheart and Crusaders vs Saladdin campaign mod

[@d.cirovic1695]

The map seems great for that. Sadly modding has become so hatd for total war that we womt see these mods.

[@Baebon6259]

@@d.cirovic1695 hated by CA/SEGA not us gamers.

[@mafproductions5005]

​@@Baebon6259 Because they are becoming tired of being constantly humiliated by hobbists that do a better job for free 😂😂😂

[@thesiberianproductions3748]

Watching some of the gameplay from other youtubers I came away with the impression that both on the battle and on the campaign there is a lot of stat min and maxing going on. Like Ramses can quite literally just move across the entire map if planned right. Lots of potential for goofy exploits instead of meaningful decisions.

[@Orendiz]

stat min and maxing started all the way in empire, was starting to show in shogun 2, and was made the main focus in rome 2 and onward. Attila had its stat min maxing reduced but that's about it. Their game cateres twards casuals that just want to accumilate as much stats as possible and paint the map.

[@Njordin2010]

Arcade fantasy and expensive small DLCs

[@CecilXIX]

Agreed. In the OG games you had one or two buildings, and maybe your general could pick up some traits to help with command stars or morale. Now we have to spend time coming up with templates for buildings in order to min-max the stats, which I could do without.

[@simpsondr12]

​@@OrendizI kind of agree with you until you say "casuals"... buddy I don't think casuals are the ones looking to min max stats.

[@Orendiz]

@@simpsondr12 They do, becouse it's far easier to stack buffs and look for units with better stats And fight battles where your army wins becose it's jacked on steroids rather then to make armies based on complex strategies. Watching numbers go up and winning based who got the stronger orc rather then who played it better is peak casual gamer.

[@antalito3047]

I mean I really want Medieval 3 but looking at the records of CA in the last few years I’m concerned that even if they’d do it, it would be done in an awful CA way. So I’m starting to settle with the idea of not getting M3 and hoping some competition of CA will arise and sees the potential to make a similar game🤔

[@Kaiserboo1871]

They’d make Richard the Lionhearted and Saladin legendary lords capable of wiping out entire armies by themselves once fully upgraded.

[@apc9714]

Try 1212 ad mod for Attila

[@marcusantoniuskase9770]

Civalry for rome remasterd is fantastic

[@astaringdog5547]

@@Kaiserboo1871don’t forget 25 dollars for a new Kieven rus faction that’s a copycat of the Byzantine with 3 new units

[@timurpodcast4379]

But seriously, what on EARTH is that campaign map!? So much missed potential yet again... Great video!

[@JohnSmith-wo2fz]

The potential is still there, but it's been carved up and you'll have to buy each piece separately.

[@paulseed1065]

EA uuuu i mean CA. :D@@JohnSmith-wo2fz

[@Guy-Mann]

They fully intend to sell you every blank space on that map and the people who lived there. Not new units or anything. Just the same dudes in a different coat of paint. Just thirty bucks every month or so for a year and you'll have the whole map to play in! Fun with modern mainstream gaming!

[@TheErtagon15]

@@TheSejuice You can just say retard, retard.

[@brianhouston5368]

It's almost as if CA made the conscious decision to phone this one in, and cut down on the work required in order to get a new game out the door. The world of Pharaoh feels so limited and lifeless. So many missing cultures. Major missed opportunity. Oh well, hoping that this fails hard and fast, so we can move on to whatever the next historical Total War will be. And of course, most of us are hoping for either Medieval 3 or Empire 2 next, but neither of those will work if CA is just looking to phone in another half-assed product....they need an all-hands-on-deck, genre-pushing effort to be the games that fans want. They can't fake it and expect to sell products any more. Many consumers are wise to the old capitalist tricks these days.

[@masterDanila100]

I agree. Developers already crated Warhammer total war for fantasy setting. I want to see normal historical total war like in total war Attila.

[@gogogomes7025]

It's like the game is made by people who actively dislike hystory.

[@tylerman39]

at least they can spell it

[@yurisc4633]

@@tylerman39 🤣

[@gogogomes7025]

@@tylerman39 😑 (not gonna fix it though)

[@odlfmariner470]

​@@gogogomes7025i respect that

[@thewhitedoncheadle8345]

you mean the leftie liberal soyboys

[@maunz5791]

Even the limited unit variety in shogun 2 felt much richer than here. There were swords, spears, bows, guns, cavalry, cannons and catapults, and even special stuff like ninjas, rocket launcher units, heroes, monks and more. It had spectacle! Pharao has clubs and sticks in front of sand.

[@angryhermit4291]

Archers chariots and more chariots

[@TheSejuice]

yeah they should add in orcs and nukes right idi0t, just make up units to keep idi0ts happy

[@bloodrance]

@@angryhermit4291 like warhammer chariots behave?

[@wolfensniper4012]

It feels like the Samurai Rising dlc, although i love the Gen-Pei age better than Warring States, the units are horribly scarce

[@IceniTotalWar]

As a long time Total War player (Shogun 1 ) I used to be an optimist about the amazing potential of the Total War series, then something really, really bad happened in a place called Horsham, UK. And now i'm a pragmatist and just expect the worst , thanks CA for not disappointing on that front for quite a while now 😬😬😬😬

[@TheSejuice]

go back and play shogun 1 for ever then ret@rd, then show a single game series that does better than even that

[@IceniTotalWar]

@@TheSejuice Thank you for your attempt at insulting me, try harder as you failed to succeed this time.

[@JackChurchill101]

I'm from near Horsham, and have also been buying these games since medieval 1.... I think placing your HQ in one of the most expensive areas to live/work in the country ("oh but isn't Sussex lovely") is exactly why they created a new studio in the Balkans.... far lower relative costs, for the same games. It seems Sofia will do the historic games and Horsham will work on 40k moving forwards.

[@kshitijkumar9094]

As an old total war player, to methese new games don't even look like total war anymor, every new game they cut some feature from previous ones that actually made total war good and don't fix obvious issues like AI for example

[@stevengibson4773]

​@@TheSejuiceYou don't have to play Shogun 1 because Shogun 2 exists which is the pinnacle of the series.

[@BIGluisluis]

How is it that 23 years later the battles in Total War are smaller instead of bigger? This is bizarre

[@MrTreefoz]

Or even the same size with different/improved mechanics?

[@BIGluisluis]

@@MrTreefoz the need for big battles with easy ways to control it is essential, its 23 years later and the battle are the same size

[@zackzebedi561]

I was waiting for you or Legend to do a video on this because the other content creators that work with CA cannot say what they really think for fear of losing the good graces of CA. I'm glad you are around to freely voice your opinion

[@kapitankapital6580]

Honestly, I don't believe that they are lying. Exaggerating, maybe, but I think they genuinely have positive feelings about it. The human brain is remarkably good at convincing itself that what is convenient is true, and when you get the game for free (and your livelihood depends on the game being good) it's very easy to ignore the obvious flaws. These "content creator partners" are not seeing these things from the same perspective we as consumers are, and you cannot rely on their opinions to be accurate to the experience you will have.

[@tchoupo786]

Maybe it depends from the country too, in France and Belgium content creators affiliated with CA are like "its meh af"

[@IceniTotalWar]

The content creators who work for* do have positive feelings about the game as they gain, 1000's of viewing hours, 10's of 1000's of new Subs and a boat load of revenue from being in the Insider program .

[@zackzebedi561]

@@kapitankapital6580 Yes I also believe they are not lying but they are also not telling the whole truth which is misleading.

[@agonsfitness7308]

Access journalism is a blight on the media industry.

[@Lutz2]

The only interesting thing on Pharaoh is the exact same thing they took from Troy, the Resource System. I don't understand why they didn't make more of it.

[@hamzaasif8136]

I'll definitely buy this game once they release all of the map and culture expansions and when the game and it's DLC packs will be on sale in steam winter or summer sales. Not gonna pay 60 USD for an unfinished game on release.

[@stonerllc7585]

You're not wrong. I've been around since the beginning and CA has really laid an egg this time! I play MTW2 with mods mostly. It's the best 'new' content out there

[@IceniTotalWar]

Seriously "new" still applies to Med 2 as many great mods are still being made and older one's keep getting updated. Even Rome Remastered is getting a boost from a lot of new top quality mods and ports of original Rome 1 mods .

[@jereboy2005]

I lost faith pretty swiftly after they announced it. They revealed the factions and that basically confirmed the limited scope. And the fact that the factions were all leader names rather than regions/kingdoms led me to believe we'd be getting legendary lords like Troy again. Sad to say since then most of what they've revealed hasn't really done anything to get me hyped. I do like the resource trading and I really like the pillars of civilization leading towards the collapse. But not enough to overcome what I don't like.

[@rorschach1985ify]

The game itself is already bland as fuck with limited factions and focus on leaders you dope.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

Historical Immersion is killed the moment you introduce legendary lord mechanics.

[@mrgopnik5964]

I was actually quite excited to play some of the factions in the Bronze Age… unfortunately they were Assyria and Lydia -_-

[@taxavation]

Really wanted to play the Hittites Elam and Urartu and only 1 of these made it in. I can maybe understand them cutting out Elam but Lydia, Assyria, and Urartu really would add a lot to this bare-bones game with only 3 cultures

[@thedukeofdeathpt6262]

"I'm sworn to carry your burdens".

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

The fact their opening trailer had a dung beetle rolling dung for majority, was more than enough a message that we had another stinker on our hands.

[@ryansta]

The video with 2 beetles fighting over a ball of dung perfectly tells you everything you need to know already. There's another 5 Beetles and more dung off screen but they're DLC

[@hanswurst-gp7pi]

A shamefur dispray this game is!

[@SeaHusker54]

It’s crazy how Total War games from 2008 - 2012 look, feel, and play so much better than these newer titles. I know a lot of people love the Warhammer series but I miss the true historical era games.

[@Kalenz1234]

Warhammer fans have a love/hate relationship with the games. It took them until warhammer 3 to add a land/fly button for flying units 🙄

[@ryanwade6052]

Yep. Taking this off the wish list. Thank god for a great modding community to keep historical still going.

[@fede98k54]

Can I also say how I hate that we no longer get differing starting positions in newer total wars? All factions start with 1-2 settlements, a small army, or they're a horde faction. In the case of Three Kingdoms this made some sense, as China was facing great decentralization at the time, but supposedly this game begins at the apex of the bronze age, before the collapse. The starting factions should be sprawling empires, it should be a sort of Attilla experience. Imagine playing as Dynastic Egypt and starting with an immense empire, sprawling from Lybia to Syria to Ethiopia, with massive armies and loads of money, and see it all decline over the following turns as natural disasters and conflicts begin to take their toll. Very powerful but costly professional armies of chariots become harder to replace. Then the sea people arrive, and it's a gruelling war of attrition as your elite armies are slowly destroyed, knowledge is lost and you have to rely on simpler technology and military units:, you pass your turns trying to barely survive the collapse - now that would be an experience. But if you do manage to survive the apocalypse, then the world is your oister.

[@DB4331]

That's a good point. Hadn't even thought about that.

[@barrelgames1658]

At this point I’d honestly be happy with a good excuse from CA. I just cannot fathom how you can be so disconnected from one of the most vocal player bases For a game

[@TheSejuice]

there is ret#rd, it isnt the main team making this, mtw3 or empire 2 from this team, you would be sitting here complaining they were making it. just ret@rds

[@stonebridge157]

Don't hold your breath there friend

[@Jonez.12]

I love the time period and I love the beauty of the map and the battle maps. I love both historical and fantasy Total Wars. I really liked Troy and I'm glad this game looks like it aesthetically. The map is big if the number of settlements are the same as Rome 2. I think it lovely to see this area in such detail. However, I'm very disappointed by the fact that Mesopotamia and Greece/Western Anatolia are probably gonna be available as dlc. The map even if big feels incomplete and we are gonna end up paying at least 100€ to get the full experience of the game. This is such obvious corporal greed, especially comparing to what old total war titles were offering for less money.

[@marcinniedbaa4122]

I wonder if we get only two major powers and smaller map so devs can make us pay for DLCs..

[@Ben-fk9ey]

Booted up Rome Remastered for rhe first time in a while and jumped into a custom battle to check the units out. I'd been zoomed in for a bit and when i zoomed out the enemy cavalry had flanked and killed all my archers and backline troops. Junped into another with a phalanx wall, as the enemy saw my line they immediately went to overload one flank and forced me to pivot and manoeuvre the line. This was all so incredibly refreshing after playing the latest Total War games, I'd forgotten what it's meant to be like.

[@KingstonKingdom]

I'm always someone who prepares for the worst case scenario and that helped me out here I wasn't ever expecting too much from this game and sadly it seems I may be right

[@thanemoeller8309]

As a historical fan myself, I am certainly bummed to see the fantasy elements of the Warhammer franchise bleeding over into Pharaoh. It's cool for a premise that is entirely make-believe, but I really just want a stepped-up version of the Historicals of Old.

[@alexanderhearth8141]

Terminator : let’s fund our own Total War. If every member of our community took the 50 dollars toward an independent studio I’m confident we can make the game we seek.

[@RNDM-nd7tj]

they need to give us empire 2 or medieval 3

[@al-muwaffaq341]

Lol nah they’ll mess it up 😂

[@ZubiForce]

Just to correct, the Minoans were no more by the end of the Bronze age as they had been conquered by the Myceneans who replaced them as the de-facto traders for Crete and other Greek ilands.

[@DavidWilson-sh1cs]

Love the honest review mate. I was so let down by what I've seen. It's like they don't want to make money

[@Genesis115]

I want to see the Attila/Rome 2 art style return. Bloody, gritty, and with realistic mo-cap fighting animations. :(

[@Eldorik]

With the size of games these days, why can’t we have a dynamic map where you can zoom out to view the whole kingdom and zoom in when you wish to move your armies and fight battles. Watching your armies move across the map, every man in line. Would look much better than simple icons being moved around.

[@thedukeofdeathpt6262]

So... like Paradox games?

[@Eldorik]

@@thedukeofdeathpt6262 nope still just a bunch of icons moving around

[@Cabrito11]

our salvation as total war players will be the modders

[@HeisenbergGR]

Terminator you are the voice of historical Total War fans... We want a true historical Total War with new realistic graphics, AI, mechanics etc. WE WANT A MEDIEVAL 3!!!

[@ericlalancette967]

I totally hear you. Having studied the very complex layers of the Bronze Age Collapse, and still very interrested by the work of people like Eric H Cline, I had high hope for this game once I heard about it. Now it just doen't make any sense to exclude the Minoens and Myceneans, and you also nailed it by mentionning the very intricate trade system that was the backbone of this era. Jeeezzzz...I'm disapointed, I was anticipating this game...Thanks Terminator.

[@TheTerminatorGaming]

❤️❤️

[@GusingtonOne]

Well done. I give you respect for broadcasting your opinion so strongly. And I agree with you on most of the points here.

[@pigeonman6434]

Not putting Elam a state that waged the first ever recorded war in human history (Sumer-Elam war) in a Total *WAR* game is a 500 IQ move ngl

[@SchizoFoxN7]

I will say I have greatly enjoyed Thrones of Britannia lately. If you love using heavy infantry like me you’ll have a great time😂

[@skush9146]

the battle maps and combat in thrones were some of the best, the campaign is why it failed

[@DapperProf]

I will be interested to see how many Sofia office employees show up on Hyenas' credits when it comes out.

[@highdunker7740]

Great video man, just one small correction. The minoans had already collapsed by the time that the game takes place. We could have had Mycenaeans though

[@tillercaesar-kq4ou]

Yea I was thinking that too but they could throw the Minoans in too why not lol

[@TheTerminatorGaming]

Thanks for the correction ❤️

[@jlajeunesse7234]

Please wait ! Be patient ! Many DLCs will arrive at very very great prices to complete this Total War Game !

[@tomstott4389]

I think you hit the nail on the head by describing it as essentially half a saga game for a higher price

[@AnimeFan-dl4qd]

sounds like the catchphrase in Attila: Lose all your hope I personally had no hope to begin with. All the planned dlc and I saw one for increasing the map size-only with all of them the game will be kind of complete. And even then, the ai will have the same issues like in Troy.

[@kjh4096]

Man hearing about dynamic weathers makes me wish for the day we get Medieval 3 and mid fight with soldiers clunking around in there heavy armor a storm rolls in and bogs the ground. I wish they stopped with releasing a new game every year and spent multiple years making games the fans are asking for. The problem with these yearly releases is that they just abandon them after a year. Three kingdoms was actually good but they abandoned it. Troy they decided to go epic only for the first year killing of the majority it's playerbase despite the game imo being pretty decent like goddamn that world map was a step in the right direction but now abandoned entirely. Thrones was something I wanted for years but they did it in every wrong way possible and abandoned it instantly. I love the warhammer series honestly the best sandbox experience I've had but they're now killing it with there overpriced dlc. I know I'm ranting now but it's sad to see this happen to a game series I've invested so much of my life in.

[@kapitankapital6580]

I was playing Empire the other day and noticed that at the start of the battle it was raining but then it stopped part way through. Turns out "dynamic weather" has actually been a feature in Total War games for years now, just that like everything else in Pharaoh they're marketing a basic feature as "new".

[@darkprometheus]

@@kapitankapital6580 yeah dynamic weather has been but it has only been a cosmetic thing for the most part or had very rudimentary changes like to arrows if it was foggy. What he's mentioning above is something like Agincourt where you arrive at the battlefield and the ground has been wet from a weather effect and thus heavy armor struggles to operate in that mud.

[@aightimmaheadout3573]

i always loved trading and it’s sad that trade is always so disregarded in games

[@maddlarkin]

Games companies got stuck in a wrong mindset when it comes to selling their games a long time ago, I think the issue started with the habit of calling customers fans or a gamers, there is an inherent assumption that a fan will spend money on a series they love regardless so why put in the effort, or listen to feedback or make any effort to engage. This worked well enough for a while, gamers ate a lot of shit, but now its coming round to bite them in the ass, there are a lot of other games out there and if they dont compete or give the customer what they want they can and will go elsewhere

[@darkprometheus]

Nah i think it has more to do with the culture now at gaming companies. many companies take the path of least resistance and less money which means reusing as much of their previous assets and mechanics as possible instead of developing new ones. The prime example of this is Assassin's Creed.

[@lukeochs3981]

I just wish we could get a HTW with a similar art style to Rome 2/ Attila and time period between classical-medival. I think a campaign that stretch’s from South East Asia, all of india and tibet and cuts off around the town Aria (in rome 2) would be super diverse and fun to play

[@mkNf-uk8py]

Too good to be true

[@emmanuelito123456]

Creo que es obvio que habrá muchos dlcs de facciones que amplíen el mapa que costarán un riñón. Y seguro que habrá un dlc con seres mitológicos. Cuando Epic les dio el dinero para el estreno de Troy, dijeron que iba para un nuevo Motor... no sabemos dónde está.

[@ImaginaShip]

You and Andy are normally so complimentary of the various DLC and mod content and now you both are voicing your discontent for Pharaoh really says a lot. I wanted to believe in the beginning that Pharaoh was going to have some sort of mind blowing new feature and that everyone was going to change their tune that it isn’t just a reskinned Troy. But now, all it looks like is a less impressive reskin of Troy which is really sad. I sure as hell didn’t preorder and won’t be buying at launch. I figure I’ll wait a year until the “Ramses Edition” comes out with the Mythos DLC so I can recruit Moses to part the Red Sea.

[@TheTerminatorGaming]

Andy is voicing discontent? Where?

[@ImaginaShip]

@@TheTerminatorGaming check out his “Sins of Total War” video. The dude’s always so positive but damn I think even he’s fed up.

[@murder13love]

I feel exactly the same way and removed it from my wishlist about a month ago. I will not be buying it. Massively disappointed with everything about this game. I would have preordered an Empire 2 or Rome 3 😐

[@waggishtickle]

Thanks for this content. It's great that you're speaking out. It really does feel like they're asking more for less right now.

[@JavanPetersen-q6d]

Well shucks I was really excited for a good Bronze Age game. Like you I'm super interested in and study the Bronze Age a lot. Diplomacy and trade was a huge part of keeping civilization together and it looks like they almost totally ignore it. Lame, probably not going to buy it unless something changes or the DLCs are supercheap.

[@Manwu5]

Great content bro once more. Imo Pharaoh TW has the potentional to be a great game but i predict the start will be rough with many problems and lack of content just like Warhammer 3 debut. Atm i have unistalled all TW games and i won't buy or play anything from CA after their ridiculous reply to Winds of Change DLC. Until then i am more than happy to observe what is happening by your wonderful channel. Hope things get better soon.

[@francopereyra6659]

The thing about giving the game a "chance" is that you are ultimatly giving the corps what they want, your money (and if you cant refund the game even better for them), and thats all they care, they dont care about bad reviews as long as peple keep buying their games (and get dessapointed later by how this games are). By the time you leave your bad review, the corps already have the money in their pockets. It's better to just not buy it at all and just ignore it, so in that way they don't get money

[@Kalenz1234]

pirate it. if its good buy it

[@SwampGreen14]

Total War Pharaoh coming out: I sleep Divide et Impera releases beta for the new update: REEAAL SHIEET

[@pedepot]

Was going to be a DLC for Troy, but they somehow decided to sell it at AAA pricing of a full game. Never change CA. Never change. 😞

[@JR47846]

The worst part of ramses is that they gave him the hairstyle of a child

[@bogdan3444]

I was disappointed as soon as I found out they chose the Bronze Age. Seriously now, factions probably had little to no cavalry back then. After playing games like Rome, Medieval 2, and Shogun 2, this just seems so far in the past it’s not fun. I know the worst problem is the way the game is designed but they could’ve made up for it with an interesting time period…or a giant map with tons of settlements

[@marcolosi2572]

Greek will be a DLC... and Mesopotamia also... i can imagine...

[@thecretan1354]

I don't disagree with your points but I'm not waiting any longer for a full historical title to come out. There's a point at which even playing Rome II and Atilla gets repetitive. I did like playing Troy for the campaign experience and setting so I'm hoping Pharaoh delivers on the same vibe. Love your work! :)

[@Duku775]

Wake me up when a real historical TW comes out… I’m going back to bed

[@kavehofraghae1816]

To be fair, the Minoans were a VERY minor faction compared to Egypt at its peak. Pharaoh is an Egypt-centric game. Just the fact that they are including a good chunk of the Eastern Mediterranean makes me happy. That being said, the lack of Assyria is a major let down. If they do introduce major DLC's or expansions, I hope they include Assyria, Babylon, and Elam.

[@RigobertosTacoShop]

I blame Warhammer. Its super popularity killed any chance of a historical TW in favor of a mainstream, casual audience that prefers gimmicky arcade gameplay and mechanics. CA drank the coolaid and there's no going back.

[@thedanelord2329]

Agreed❤ keep op the good work

[@Praiokles]

You see all the 25 coming DLCs in the blank regions on the map...

[@МенМаатСет]

0:52 nobody ask for? NOBODY ASK FOR?! This is the BEST and the most interesting time period! All total war fans must be excited about Bronze Age!

[@crashfire718]

I agree with you. This is interesting time period. In my opinion would be cool too Total War: Wars of the Diadochi.

[@curtbrackenrich7883]

The Victorian age is what shaped our world today, SO much history happened in one century, yet CA refuses to touch it? More melee in the middle gameplay, no thanks.

[@KellyBomaye]

Hugely interesting time period, done no justice. So he is still correct in saying, "no one asked for". I've wanted a bronze age TW for years but I didn't ask for this.

[@sethwoll6240]

CA: Hey guys! We listened to you and made a new historical Total War game with all our atrocious business practices included! But with plenty of things never seen in a Total War game before that don't impact gameplay at all! And even less elements than older titles! Total War Fans: Thanks! We hate it already!

[@geemoney89]

It’s depressing how far Total War has fallen. There was so much potential. They’re turning into the grand strategy version of Madden

[@DillonWaffles]

Just bought Rome 2 because it was on sale and I went straight back to Rome Remastered. I just want Rome 1 mechanics, with the updated graphics. The city viewer, tactical map and population systems were badass. Or if they would make an Empire 2 they’d have every Total War fan lined up to buy it, we’ve been asking for years lol. Idk what the higher ups are thinking at CA, but they definitely haven’t been listening to the community.

[@simpsondr12]

Literally never play Rome 2 vanilla. I got it near launch and that's the only time I've played it without mods. With mods it's pretty good though, Divide et Impera in particular.

[@SymbolicLogic24]

They're going to release a fair amount of DLC and if the latest WH3 DLC is any indication of how they plan to handle it then it's going to be disastrous.

[@anderskorsback4104]

When they said the game would be about the Bronze Age Collapse, I never for a moment thought that Creative Assembly would put out a game with actual game mechanics that could properly represent the economic disruption and resulting civilizational decline caused by the breakdown of trade networks in the area. But to not even have a trade system on the level of Empire TW? Damn, that's failing even my already-low expectations. A proper Bronze Age Collapse game should have game mechanics that result in organic transition into the Iron Age, with iron being something that's available from the start but not worth it until bronze becomes unviable due to the disruption of trade in tin and copper.

[@Marchochias]

It's comical how this comes out more than 10 years after Rome 2 and yet has less content than an underwhelming expansion pack for a historical title 10-15 years ago would have had. Creative Assembly clearly lost most of their best people years ago...or maybe decades ago. They really haven't pushed the envelope on anything since Rome 2 over a decade ago, and that had its own fair share of issues which were really never resolved whatsoever in following titles. Hell, titles like Warhammer actually removed naval battles and had vastly worse siege battles than Rome 2...for some unknown reason.

[@enesbilge1646]

Thanks for making our voices heard Terminator!

[@Shadow.24772]

"BUt 1T'$ iNdUstRY staNdArD" - Quote CA somewhere, to someone

[@attila2246]

This aged incredibly well. Absolutely spot on take. It's a shame CA doesn't have you on their board of directors.

[@CookingwithLuna101]

Aged but its not optimistic. Things can change

[@Sebod95]

Honestly at this point im happy that they havent listened to the fans and actually made M3 or E2, because im 99% sure they would screw that up and it would be a giant dissapointment.

[@kelvinleigh1296]

I used to buy all TW games but I have no bothered with Troy and i won't be bothering with this one. What I really want is a better Rome, Rome 1 (the original not the horrible remastered version) was pretty good. With all the modernisations that CA can do to it taking what they have learned from other games it could be an amazing reboot to kick start the love again.

[@joeytoofly5139]

Remastered didnt really change much besided graphics and some unit balancing. They improved the ui a bit. Why didnt you like the remaster?

[@icarus8359]

I just get the feeling that whoever ran CA back in the day was actually proud of what they created, and now they are just about rinsing the fan base for cash. I realize they sometimes over reached as with Empire, but that was a symptom of their ambition, and I for one kind of like that. I feel sorry for the teams who create these formulaic , production line games, I bet they dreamed of creating stuff like this but now have the corporate boot firmly on their necks. Shame. I didn't buy Troy and won't buy this. New management and a return to caring about the product please.

[@jpvet5411]

In other news, Shogun 2 is on sale for cheap in the Steam store! 😉

[@Carnakrox]

In my view this game is not targeted to veteran total war players, but to the players that get Troy free in epic, I know a lot of people that never played any total war game before and the first contact with the franchise is Troy, so making a new game based on this make sense for me.

[@Asealkaz]

I get that these kingdoms are the biggest and most prominent in our record of the Bronze Age at this time but the map and factions could be expanded WAAAY more. We know of the Bronze Age cultures in Eastern, western and Northern Europe and facsimiles of these groups could be added. I’m sure there’s plenty of info for subsaharan Africa at this time too. Expanding the scope of the game in this way would do wonders to remove the “saga” feel from this game.

[@TheSejuice]

just get a clue egypt was a river, the map is far bigger than it should, you idi0ts need to decide you want real or pretendsies maps