The 7 Biggest Arguments in Destiny History

[@CastleContent]

Ok I disrespected Gohan by using Goku in the 4th phase my bad 😂

[@centrevezgaming4862]

I got forum banned for criticizing the leadership and management because someone took offense to it when it was my rights as an customer to give satisfactory feedback about the service and you can’t do that anymore due to insensitivity and current year policies in the entertainment industry because now companies can claim hate speech and harassment if anyone criticizes them that Lead me to boycott Bungie because I had enough of getting censored and banned for adding my frustration and voice so including by deleting the app from my phone and playing other games.

[@Mark-vy5qs]

​@@centrevezgaming4862bro what

[@Forcer69]

I’m actually surprised you could narrow it down to 7, when we get that many controversies a month

[@CastleContent]

Haha didn’t want a 2h movie 😅

[@sopcannon]

@@CastleContent u mean a Rick video

[@hhaste]

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[@HazmattMorningstar]

​@@CastleContentqqq

[@espadafive302]

Omg people are dumb. If I’m dedicated my time to increase my tank build I want to be invincible! I don’t want to be weak and die quickly. Wanna make enemies hard. Improve the AI and make them harder to fight. Adding modifiers or increasing health don’t make them tough. Just more a bullet sponge.

[@aloofawoo5115]

the only thing we lost with the activision split was the massive manpower provided by them, the absolute disgusting greed is still in the game

[@Honed-]

its almost like.... they where the greedy ones from the start.

[@stoneycooper9758]

​@@Honed-nah both companies were to blame for the greed.

[@bailey32brooks]

bungie showing new levels of greed with 10 dollar shaders in solstice

[@cynthiahembree3957]

@@bailey32brooks Yup it's sad honestly. I always found it suspicious that people wanted to blame it on activision when other games I played were also made by them or a company partnered with them. A lot of those games were no where near as greedy as Destiny

[@Mugiwara2k]

Nah, the greed is actually WORSE now that Activision is gone, if you can believe it or not. I have no problem saying I was one of those people that foolishly thought that the split was a good thing and would improve the game and lessen greedy tactics… As we can all see, that mindset was completely wrong and it actually looks like Activision was the ones keeping Bungie in check. Never in a million years would I have thought I’d be pining for the days of when Activision was in the picture, but I guess it just goes to show you should be careful what you wish for.

[@jordancarlson6556]

Regarding sunsetting, I think it’s acceptable for weapons, but absolutely inexcusable for actual gameplay content. All the prior paid DLC and the base story of Red War should definitely still be playable. The guns, generally speaking, are replaceable.

[@kylerichardson836]

100% aggre

[@blackfox5056]

taking away guns was mostly fine since they took away both op and garbage, but taking away 80% of my armor with some 65+ rolls was very not cash money

[@JeffreyBlenman]

Yeah, it seems like Bungie didn't consider that taking story and activities out of the game is removing something people paid for. I don't like it with seasonal content, but at least I know to expect that. No one knew when they bought Destiny 2 for Day 1 that all content they paid for would just vanish. "Thanks for the money! Sorry you didn't get it on sale!" -Bungie

[@ThePalebloodDoll]

yea, weapons are okay i guess, but the fact that they removed pretty much HALF the fucking game that we PAID for and the fact that they also sunset fucking armor of all things as well was dumb asf

[@EmeraldEmsiron]

im not sure how much this matters but all the sunsetted content happens to be with what bungie and activision were still together to make

[@imbreaden]

Number 1: whatever Saltagreppo tweets about today

[@CastleContent]

Lol true

[@papugianfru]

Why is everyone hating on him, he only gives opinions and feedback about the game and it's mostly for the best, I guess the casuals hate him the most because of fear that the only weapon they use gets nerfed or when some broken glitch gets fixed, it's so stupid to hate someone for that reason. Sorry for my bad english btw

[@JTB-1]

​@@papugianfruah yes, the pro.

[@xd-xt2cn]

​@@papugianfruSalt is literally the most elitist player of D2, even more than Elitist Datto, bro wants to nerf Well Of Radiance when it's perfectly fine

[@papugianfru]

@@xd-xt2cnbut why not?? Its been meta since the release of it, you can just stand on it and you won't die, it makes everything less challenging and because of that encounter are also build around wells where is almost necessary to use it

[@rampage0092]

Day 1 raids should be hard. I have no issue with contest mode lasting all weekend, but there should be some legit difficulty for the pinnacle content. Let the higher end players get their challenge, and they’ll come back with guides and even join lesser skilled teams to help them get their clears. A new day 1 raid shouldn’t turn out the way RoN did.

[@thrilla72]

I genuinely believe that RoN was a dungeon that they turned into raid because they rushed this expansion. Notice how all the encounters can be done with 1-2 players doing the mechanics and the ads are just so numerous that it creates challenge

[@rampage0092]

@@thrilla72 I do like that they brought a raid back that you can have the hero moments again, where one player can get you home, so I am willing to look past this one but please give us a legit challenge with the next two. I had some high hopes for Lightfall personally, and it didn’t meet them. I think the only reason I’m not as over the game as others are is because my personal life doesn’t allow me to game consistently right now, and I’ve already taken a pair of long breaks as a result of real life responsibilities.

[@thrilla72]

@@rampage0092 Good for you. This thing is too basic, it's not even one person bringing you home but one person doing everything, like the boring Crota boss battle

[@_-Envy-_]

​​@@thrilla72nd the fact that it can be soloed flawlessly is kind of odd.. I believe all of the other raids have some mechanic that requires at least 2 people whether that's opening a door or reading a symbol that only one person can see but requires somebody else to do it

[@thrilla72]

@@_-Envy-_ If you assume that it was a dungeon initially, which is designed to be solo'ed flawlessly. It isn't strange at all!

[@parkerreidy1211]

Sunsetting was understandable for SOME weapons at the time, like lunas howl/not forgotten, recluse, mountaintop, and revivoker. Legendary guns that were either so good that you had to use them or had perks that we’re definitely exotic tier of power. My big issue with sunsetting is that the guns from the first few seasons after shadowkeep dropped remain sunset, and those had really good looks on them as well. And not to mention a lot of the guns that got hit were just destination guns

[@CFEKOSMOS]

Resilience definitely needs to go back to 40. Even at 100, you still die WAY too fast in end game.

[@armedhyde1448]

I think the answer to day one clears is what they've done with reprise raids - normal contest clear + challenge contest clear. Each awarding their own emblem.

[@roundraccoon6141]

What if they put your completion time after launch on the emblem.

[@catneedslogic9836]

I think the raid controversy could have a video to itself in how messed up the rabbit hole goes. So many players don't play raids due to their difficulty and the inability to get a team. However destiny 2 vets who know how this game works can learn the raids faster as they may have a team or have experience enough to join other players. I've met so many newer players scared to go into raids with all the kwtd posts and I've seen many experienced players get angry at newer players trying to join and learn. (There is merit to both sides.) Destiny tried to make a sherpa system that is better than nothing but is still awful. Now some better players will help newer players by getting them through the raid, they won't teach them though, they will carry them. If someone gets carried it will create 2 problems, problem A: sherpas that do teach will no longer teach this person due to not getting a sherpa number out of it. problem b, the player gets a skewed idea of the raid being ad clear when it is in fact mechanics based. Another problem is how hard the raid should be. It's often I see people say that certain raids are too hard (vow, gos, etc.) while on the other hand the better players say every raid is easy. I think it's a matter of not only perspective but how you were taught. There were many people I have taught gos to, and I've heard a handful of them say "why did the person that teach me the first time make it sound so confusing." And this said person would then think the raid is easy. However if they never had that experience they would think the raid is hard. I don't think the raids are that hard, and I think if newer players were taught well, and put some time into them they would think the same. One last problem I want to address is teaching is difficult. We often are trying to make a nice environment for the people we are teaching, and are constantly getting judged if we don't know everything. A lot of my friends who do want to teach raids are too scared to start because they don't have enough experience in teaching the raids. There really isn't enough incentive for most sherpas to get past that therefore it's just easier to carry someone through the raids. Raids are tricky and I really hope they make a better sherpa system.

[@chillidari-9392]

Raids in D2 are not difficult. Anyone can easily learn them and if a new players wants to learn them they can join a sherpa or make their own learning group and if everyone isn't running around in rares and random legendaries then they will clear in the session. Anyone who says D2 raids are at all difficult outside of contest out themselves as having never played another game with any kind of raiding content, cause D2 raids are the easiest in the industry. And then RoN came out and sunk that bar even lower!

[@imslamming]

honestly the only time i've seen someone get angry at an inexperienced player is when they're joining a KWTD run without knowing the mechanics and then expecting a carry instead of trying to learn

[@catneedslogic9836]

@@chillidari-9392 I don't think you read anything I said.

[@catneedslogic9836]

@@imslamming From what I've seen, the newer players are frustrated that they can't learn a raid because there's only kwtd posts. Awkwardly enough, they can make a post themselves, I do believe they are too scared to do so.

[@austin5801]

I think the in game LFG could possibly fix that, plus maybe additional loot for the Sherpa besides an emblem.

[@Thatfpsguy]

Heres one for you Bungie only does charity events so they can avoid paying taxes ....

[@jesseritchie9282]

Oof

[@GloverGaming3]

Regarding RoN vs KF, part of the difficulty at the time of KF's release was trying to balance around Divinity. After it got nerfed, they probably felt that the bosses in RoN didn't need to be as beefy, but maybe walked it back a bit too much. And Thunderlord doing double lightning strikes at the time also wasn't helping RoN's case

[@MrMegaloco14]

RoN is the first genuinely bad raid in destiny history, the low difficulty is just the cherry on top of the shit cake so it wasn't really a salvageable situation for bungie anyway

[@itsharibonph]

@@MrMegaloco14 There are much worse raids than RoN; for me I just abhor the lore of it

[@MrMegaloco14]

@@itsharibonph i just can't seem to enjoy RoN... Even the loot is bad

[@horrorpleb249]

@@MrMegaloco14 I agree with your opinion to an extent. But I think conditional finality was at least one of the good things to come out of this mid as hell raid. Aesthetically wise, the raid itself looked amazing but the mechanics made it feel like a raid built for new lights (now that is technically a good thing since new lights have something they are more guaranteed to complete but its also a DLC raid so they gotta put in the cash.) The only time I found it difficult is when nezarec kept throwing his void attacks at me, those things hit like a truck (even on contest with like void resis he just did not care)

[@yashugoyal1772]

But the bosses having low HP pools isn't the only problem, the mechanics are too simple for a raid, and that's just stupid.

[@rentedmule169]

If we are being honest a large chunk of what made Day 1 RoN so accessible came down to Starfire making the bosses less of a DPS check. In previous Day 1s many teams could not get the DPS for Caretaker or Warpriest but Starfire would have trivialized that.

[@baadtaste1337]

Skill based match making: No noobs getting stomped on and t-bagged for the umpteen time in PvP said: "its part of the process" The sweaty players all of a sudden had to play each other and did not like it. Gone where the days of easily crushing the opponents

[@PapaMidnite__]

They're either mad because they gotta really work for their flawless with SBMM or be mad that they get an less than stellar teammate against a 3 stack without it. There's no pleasing these mfers

[@A.Froster]

Yeah, sweats will play each other with horrible connection until they don't anymore because nobody likes a laggy experience and suddenly PvP population becomes too small , so you will still get matched with the few remaining ones. This is literally what happened during the first year of D2, blueberries don't know anything as usual LOL

[@baadtaste1337]

@@A.Froster Good to know we have experts like yourself to tell us the gospel truth ;-) PS. connectivity is an entirely different problem

[@syl_ster230]

My problem with Resilience is that is is absolutely mandatory. I have cleared raids Day 1 with little problem, but to this day I am sitting at only 1 RoN clear because I get kicked from LFGs for eunning 100 mobility as a hunter with *only* tier 7 resilience.

[@9minty]

casuals: elitists 😡😡😡 elitists: casuals 😡😡😡

[@steveeymann6374]

I think resilience is fine but the hunters definitely need some help given we have to usually have at least 3 stats we need high. The real problem with destiny right now is balance between classes and ability spam. The only person in a team with a sunbracer warlock having any fun is the sunbracer warlock.

[@yasininn76]

That's because warlocks are supposed to be more powerful in their abilities? Instead, we get the slowest class ability animation, the shortest melee range and got our Starfire protocol nerfed to kingdom come. Not that I care as a void lock, but on that matter, I'd like to use my damn nova warp without doing shit dmg and possibly to get my handheld nova back

[@ravenschihl4038]

@@yasininn76 warlocks in higher tier content born to wizard forced to heal :) alright but seriously why is that the warlock the ability spamming class have some of the longest ability regeneration and least worth melee abilities that are not solar? and also have some of the worst supers in the game.

[@aaronwerk]

If Bungie will allow us to do the same damage to the champions as we did pre-Lightfall, then they can make T10 resil give like 15% DR. Nowadays champs on Legend difficulty require twice as much reserves spent on them to make them finishable.

[@Half-lifegunnar]

As a elitist in destiny I feel like new players shouldn't be considered in the day 1 raid experience they do not have a wide range of weapons, gear, and builds to be doing a day 1 raid. With contest mode enabled its basically a master raid with out the surges and what not. Day 1 raids are the pinnacle pve challenge and show never be dumbed down to casuals. Its honestly one of the last hardcore challenges in the game beside solo flawless dungeons. Give people something to strive for the game is too easy as is and as a result people come and go all the time

[@zay_c15]

if bungie is really worried about the difficulty of a raid then they should just bring back prestige mode for raids and have day 1 be on prestige difficulty, at that point any established player should be able to do it, even casuals

[@zanzion3873]

The input choice controversy is one purely of Bungie's own making. Matchmaking in any player versus player mode with any SBMM or competitive angle should be done based on input first and foremost. Controller against controller and MNK against MNK, no mixing of the inputs whatsoever. When you queue for a match you should be locked into using whatever input you are using. If you want to play crucible with a friend in another input... tough luck. Go play Team Scorched or something.

[@Gkowi]

I think sunsetting weapons could have worked if all weapons were static rolls. When you have to grind like crazy to get that one god roll, it feels so bad to lose it.

[@JohnDoe-hj9fh]

I've never understood people saying using a controller is easy because then why not just use a controller yourself? Movement feels a lot better on a controller I doubt anyone would disagree with that so if they're saying aiming is easier too then there's no reason not to use one, but yet they don't

[@xd-xt2cn]

About day 1 Raiding, I think the difficulty mostly depends about the mechanics of the raid itself, for example Deep Stone Crypt, to this day is still very hard to grasp the mechanics of it if you're a relatively new player, while RoN is literally just, connect the dots, 2 people can do it while everyone else is on add clear, even on the 3rd encounter only 4 people are doing the mechanics contrary to for example Obelisks or Exhibition from VoW

[@chillidari-9392]

What's hard to grasp about DSC mechs lol. DSC mechs are the kind of mechs you would find in a WoW levelling dungeon

[@boatsfa2015]

SBMM is great if your K/D is below 1.0, most players. SBMM is pain if youre above 1.0, most often, long term, less casual players.

[@cupasaza495]

For the contest mode raid portion, you talked about how contest Root of Nightmares had a 44% completion rate, but you have to remember, it's Root of Nightmares. It's the easiest raid in the game right now. Even the Planets encounter, the one encounter with an insane difficulty spike for some reason, is the easiest of the "Difficulty Spike Encounters" from other raids.

[@BirdmanEnFuego]

Question: Why isn’t there time-based matchmaking? Like, one pool for players who’ve spent less than 100 hours in Crucible and then a pool for everyone else. Basically, it would be Bungie saying “You’ve had 100 hours now to ‘git gud.’ Now you’re on your own.”

[@rickyhuxedurp5440]

When it comes to resilience, my personal opinion is that the other stats needed something to make them worthwhile as well, such as perhaps mobility, allowing you to cast your class ability and super faster.

[@KutsuuG]

Yep good list. Everyone of these got me wanting to voice my opinion 🤣

[@flaria185]

Ngl I think of day 1 raids as end game content similar to trials in pvp. Expecting to complete contest mode raid for newer players is weird to me cause they wouldnt expect to go flawless in trials as a new player aswell. I dont think this is being elitist cause I myself havent done any day 1 raid clear because of time issues. But maybe I just think of it too highly, but RoN is easier than the wicked implement quest lmao

[@dylan1193204]

The real issue for RON in my opinion was lack of diverse raid mechanics that led to a simplification ( and reduction of difficulty) that stems from only 1 raid mechanic controlling 3/4 of the raid. With one raid mechanic, which was not a hard to understand/operate/ communicate, it created a situation similar to “spire of the watcher” where it feels like they put 60-70% of the creative process in the aesthetics and only 30~% in the raids combat/mechanical design. To be real RON is a “pretty” raid. But other raids in the past had more mechanics and as such had more moving parts to work with. These moving parts created a systematic difficulty based on understanding, implementation, and most importantly communication between players. In RON’s case you really only need 2-3 players in the fireteam to have a working understanding of the mechanics to complete the raid with 3 add clears. Raids like SCOURGE required everyone to have a role and working understanding to be able to complete challenges.

[@majormoon4300]

I feel like the amount of encounters makes the completion percentage tank. Also the time it’s allowed, but that graphic showing RoN and Kings Fall completion was eye opening. Although, KF technically has 7 different encounters to gain loot, RoN has only 4. I was part of that 4.8% that completed Normal KF and Challenge mode, we were stuck on Warpriest challenge for 8 hours due to the inconsistent brand stealer timing to pickup, to steal. It was very challenging and I’d like to see Wrath of the Machine follow the same format. 24 hours for a normal run, then challenges. The main argument is for new raids, which I see little to no problem it being 48 hours post launch. It gives everyone ample time with bugs and sleep (which is very important, especially for casual players) RoN was very easy don’t get me wrong, but with a new raid coming out I feel like if they added more encounters to a new raid with a 24 hour mark with challenging mechanics (see Last Wish but without the vault) It would be a slam dunk. This is long as hell but to wrap up, challenging mechanics, handful of encounters like KF, Last Wish (no vault) and players new and experienced alike can definitely get along.

[@ImMrMes33ks]

Best solution I can think of is drop the master raid with the normal one day 1, two different day one raid emblems and make the master version actually difficult so new players will be weeded out and the vets will get the reward scratch itched. But I bet someone will be upset with that solution

[@noahhunt8575]

I think PvE content shouldn't feel like work and torture, especially when you have new players who don't want to spend weeks getting the perfect armor with the perfect stats and leveling them just to have them become irrelevant the patch just after it. PvE shouldn't be torture. It should be challenging on harder content like GMs and Raids, but not ripping your hairs out hard.

[@RaccoAttacko]

Day 1 raids, new players can't expect to be able to do this peak high level of PVE content. Its a joke that people get upset about it. Day 1 raiding should not be accessible to noobs. Speaking as someone that has never been able to Day 1 raid, I do not mind this at all. I think the ceiling for this content should be high.

[@imbreaden]

I had to look twice lol! The thumbnail made me think it was a scheduled video 😂 glad it wasn’t

[@ELTRYHARD]

Day 1 emblems should have always remained 24 hours and raids should be difficult. I don’t have most of the day 1 emblems, but it was always something to chase for and I was never that disappointed if I didn’t come out with one because what’s fun is the challenge of the marathon. I was able to get Vow’s within 24 hours so it was disappointing to see what the percentage success rate on that one became in 48 hours. RoN was a joke, there was no challenge and no marathon.

[@chillidari-9392]

Preach brother

[@suzanned5859]

Is your ego really that vulnerable that you can't stand a few extra people, including some who had the bad luck to be unable to stay connected, getting the emblem. It's an emblem. Are you really chasing an accomplishment and craving a challenge or just sad to share your ego emblem.

[@ELTRYHARD]

@@suzanned5859 Yeah, it’s an emblem, so why do so many want it to become 48 hours when it was fine as 24? Let people who want a challenge and marathon have this emblem. You can get your clear the next day.

[@prussiangoose800]

i respect you w guy

[@donb7519]

If ut has to be 24 hours then it should also be on a day where more people can take advantage of the full 24

[@ProfessorBalth]

On the Day 1 raiding thing. Personally it's just a genuinely insane argument to say that the pinnacle of high end PvE content should be available for a raid one time for 48 hours. At that point it's a disservice to the high end players. Advocate for a Contest mode difficulty select instead. Or make it so both Normal and Contest mode are available on the same day, make it so raid rings are gor contest mode only. I dunno I just think there's a way bigger variety of options on what to do.

[@GainingDespair]

With resistance I think it depends who you are as a player. Do you minmax? Do you use the most meta of builds every season? Are you designing your characters, weapons, and mods around a play style? If this group than yes resilience can be very strong as you already have a lot going for you. Or Are you the type who doesn't care, you don't care about sandbox, you don't care which subclass/mods work well this season? Do you like the weapon you like, and the subclass just because they are your favorite to play? Are you playing the game for fun (putting enjoyment above DPS)? If so than its likely not OP for you, as you have little working for you. You are either one, every player is either one, you can be either one at any given point but most tend to either maximize/master the mechanics in game to their benefit, or they simply play to have fun and don't care about much else. This can easily explain the 50/50 as these two types of players are very easy to spot in game.

[@SkyeBerryJam]

As someone who's never going to get a day 1 raid emblem, I don't really see the issue with maybe making the day one raid a harder version for the veterans who want that challenge to really grind it out and then releasing normal mode after the emblem is unavailable? It's not like new players need exclusive day 1 emblems, they've already missed out on a ton of rare emblems what's one more

[@imaginesomethingedgy]

I remember when i first learned that some people called oryx back and not front, and when i asked the team i was with it started a war.

[@Icesteel100]

The very first split made me grin. I have nothing against resilience giving damage resistance, 30%, 40% even more, am fine with it. What I disslike, is that the same stat is class stat for titans. Which means, other two have to invest into more stats overall. It feels a bit weird, its the same as if mobility gave something special, for example much faster reload speed for guns, or recovery adding automaticaly triggering overshields when your health would drop criticaly low. See my point? I do not really care about resilience giving what it give, but that one class just scored jackpot.

[@sombrashadow0013]

I absolutely had no idea about the Zero Hour funding. Thats crazy

[@ForeverLaxx]

With regards to Day 1 raids, there is one specific individual (whom I will not name) who will never be happy until their team is the only team that has the emblem. It will be a tall order, though, since said person's team is basically always having to 5-man those Day 1 raids by virtue of being forced to field this person. As this video pointed out, though maybe not intentionally, that the Day 1 raid issue isn't even necessarily the 48 hour window. The issue is that the raids might be getting easier or the playerbase as a whole is getting more competent at figuring out Bungie's extremely limited bag of tricks (which is probably why Bungie's usual go-to for "difficulty" is to turn things into sponges that sling nukes).

[@SlongestKongest]

Please tell me who Me

[@chillidari-9392]

Look lil man just because you're shit doesn't mean you should make things up to cope. Grow up!

[@abitofsupport601]

So would you say that Root of Nightmares was properly scaled and is a good raid to set the difficulty standards by?

[@ForeverLaxx]

@@abitofsupport601 Nope. Completion time and completion % are a testament to that. It relied way too heavily on deceptive wipe mechanics that weren't nearly as complicated as first perceived. I'd venture to say original King's Fall, while probably a tad overdone regarding mechanics, is about where the difficulty should be.

[@knightowljr3340]

The final shape raid needs to be more difficult than Ron. First encounter only needs one person to do a mechanic. However, Vow’s encounter where everyone has to do a mechanic is a bit much in my opinion, mainly because you can’t show people what they need to do easily. I’d be down for an encounter like that if you could walk around the arena without starting the encounter. As far as day 1’s go, I think there should be separate rewards for 1st ever clear, day 1 completion, and if Bungie extends the time limit on challenge mode, there should be a different, less impressive reward for teams who complete it after the first 24 hours

[@dr.blast__2713]

Sadly im starting to think that bungie was the problem and not Activision

[@tortino56]

Will never understand why the studio can’t work on Saturdays 2 days a year for the raid races, if they’re worried about overworking give the team a Monday off that week

[@just.some.dud3]

Bungie just needs to change new raids to 3 emblems: 1st 24 hrs, contest mode (first 48hrs) and any clear. That solves the issues for most players i think.

[@generalnawaki]

SBMM is the only reason I do go into crucible. getting pubstomped over and over and over again is not fun, there's no "process" of getting better if you are pooped on all game every game. If being made to play against people in your own skill level breaks you, well then maybe you were never that good at the game to begin with. edit: 10:53 Aetheon is literally as easy as, Left ftont. left read. right front. right rear. middle front. middle rear. how fuggin hard do people need to make that?

[@sevenlexar]

This exactly. If you're only 'good' because nine times out of ten you're pubstomping inexperienced people, you're not actually that good. You just like being a bully. I was one of those Constantly Getting Pubstomped people and I've hated crucible ever since, to the point I wish it wasn't even in the game.

[@generalnawaki]

@@sevenlexar Same. at least the most recent seasonal exotic didn't make us enter crucible just to get our hands on its catalyst. I would have disassembled the damn thing right on the spot if it had.

[@sujo8880]

I don’t care about the emblem, but Day 1 contest should be hard and shouldn’t be designed around new players. ITS NOT MEANT FOR THEM TO COMPLETE IT WITH EASE. Also: Destiny was better with Activision SBMM is bad Oryx is at the front of the ship Good day

[@planelattice2783]

I blame bungie for dividing the community on the topic of sbmm, they can easily resolve the question if it’s good for the game or not by just showing us player numbers before and after sbmm is enabled.

[@negan2714]

Sunsetting was and is the biggest mistake Bungie ever did with D2. I also feel it was forced brought on by them. They said in a TWAB along the lines of "no one wants to use the new weapons we spend time and resources on" well when they give them bad perk combos it's beyond me why no one uses them. Then with that being the criticism shield they went full steam ahead. If pinnacles were the problem then do away with just those not everything in the entire game.

[@Jamesentmt]

front and back sides of a room is dependent on the focus of the objective. I won’t be accepting anything else.

[@parkerreidy1211]

The SBMM shouldn’t be a thing for QP/IB. Those two modes should be focused on getting to games quickly. Comp should focus on your rank in the comp playlist and trials…this is tricky. You need a complex system that takes into account, skill, your card, flawless numbers, and win loss ratio for the week. I shouldn’t be going up against a team that is on lighthouse game on my very first game, I also believe that if you go flawless more than once then you should play people similar to you. But then you have win resetters, to witch they need to look at there win/lose/flawless ratios to determine if there resetters. If someone has 400 wins but like 4 losses and no flawless, then they should be put into a different pool

[@Spinworth]

If the Activision split showed us anything, is that Bungie was going into the grave that itself was diggin', everyone jumped to D2 thinking "no more greed Activison nice" then they deliver the most stupid "expansion" ever and nearly killed the game by Season of the Worthy, lets not forget Lightfall's story and Season of Hunt which was like 2 months without story content in a fucking expansion + season combo

[@johnrobertson6302]

About day 1 raids, for me I don’t care. Got burnt out of raids in EQ2 and WoW, tried a couple in D1 and just decided that they weren’t fun for me.

[@deadcat4454]

RoN I orginally planed on being my first raid to complete day one, by the end of the 48 hours I had just barely started the second phase.

[@zettarin]

On the topic of Oryx room. The way my group does it is that we callout the name of the person on a plate instead of going L1 or R2

[@Yumais]

That's how my group has done it since D1 lol

[@aurawolf2221]

A lot of my friends who still play Destiny (I abandoned the franchise after D2) say that things apparently got better after Bungie's Split from Activision because Activision was apparently the problem with the greed of D2.

[@kodemasterx]

I quit Destiny 2 and started playing Warframe, I know they are two different games but they are similar in in structure, funny enough Digital Extreme proves Bungie wrong in many ways... Warframe has been on the market for 10 years now, instead of removing old content like Bungie did in 2020, DE remastered it and made it better, every weapon since the game launched is still in the game, sure they vault prime Warframes but that doesn't mean they are removed, you can still get them by trading with other players. Also, the game had an engine overhaul which made the game look better and run smoother, meanwhile back in 2020 Bungie was blah blah blah with their engine overhaul and look what happened, PVP is barely playable and theere's server maintenance almost every week, Warframe is a much bigger game made by a fraction of the amount of employees at Bungie, it seems like their only focus is in cosmetics on eververse. When the final shape goes on sale I will buy it, I got sick and tired of the senseless and repetitive seasonal grind.

[@randomguy1706]

they need to bring the fucking res back to 40%. you SHOULD NOT be getting fucking 2 tapped in hero nightfall, that is just idiotic and bad game design and makes new players never even bother trying to do one.

[@roundraccoon6141]

I don't think anyone can argue that resil is strong in pve. If you think about when you go into a master dungeon/raid or even the legend versions, or legend campaign. I think most people would consider that you are literally throwing if you don't have at least 90 resil maybe 80 at the least. No one even cares much about your other stats, just resil. This makes me think it is a bit too strong even after the nerf, but I'm indifferent about a nerf.

[@ryanbennett2806]

Forgot one...one word...Mountaintop. Or rather, 'content locked' and 'time limited' weapons. As well as weapons which can be rather tricky to get as they are locked behind 'endgame' content AND require RNG (pre-nerf Vex Mythoclast anyone?) Incredibly overpowered weapons which are locked behind a piece of content where very few people like to play it. Then, when someone has it, it is so oppressive that you don't need another weapon. Lets face it, part of the reason they did sunsetting is because of problematic weapons like Mountaintop. There is a reason we've not seen a return of these kinds of 'special' playlist weapons with their original perks. They are simply 'too strong' if you don't give their special perks to other weapons. Remember how strong Desperado was originally when it came out? Now it is 'meh' to situational at best.

[@kelvinwarburton2558]

A simple fix to fixing the crucible is to use the dial from Dears of Eternity to spin up and choose a weapon and every player gets the same weapon to use the weapons all have the same stat and that is the only weapon you can use, simple.

[@ImpatientPlatypus]

This is genuinely the worst idea that I have ever had the displeasure of my eyes seeing

[@xyeona9624]

I don't have a problem with resilience being strong, I love damage resistance, I just hate that mobility is so useless. Recovery is good, resilience is great, only mobility has no real use outside of reducing dodge cooldown. This makes modding for hunters a lot less convinient than for the other classes as they have an easy dump stat that hunters lack.

[@Cobalt_IX]

Raids, especially new day 1s, aren't for newer players, you could get all the gear you needed for RoN in under 24 hours on a brand new account, that ain't right 😂

[@samanthaprzybylski5526]

Getting stomped in literally ANY pvp game is a canon event and no developer should intervene too much on that. Babying people because they refuse to learn or try is what kills games. It doesn't have a challenge, and it becomes extremely boring. I didn't learn how to really use mods until like after season of Opulence, I played pvp with no targeting mods at all until shadowkeep. I got rightfully stomped but my aim got so much better and then slapping those mods on make me feel like pvp got way easier for me. I found some reddit post that delved into all the mods and I learned that you do not want anything below 30 and that single reddit post literally taught me the game properly. I wasn't bad at pve, I ended up getting the Shadow title and I ran that raid flawless twice, couple of petras, me learning the mods and them getting changed didn't make it feel like it made it too easy, it made it feel like a breath of fresh air. A little break from fighting for my life constantly. There is still a challenge harder content, where I am treating pve like pvp and having to peak champs and such. GIVE ME BACK MY SUBTLE CALAMITY PLEASE I AM ON MY KNEES I genuinely hope there will be more mechanics added, more things to do in game that isn't just shooting enemies. I loved the fishing but it could really be touched up on, and there could be a lot of things added that give guardians more things to so. I have no idea how anyone else would feel, but I would no life pvp just cause there was a duo mode (crimson days) or I'd spend all day doing SRL if I could, I want to show off my sparrows, they feel so useless at times. Sometimes I will literally just go driving around in the overworld finding paths and ramps and doing tricks and such. It raises my hopes so high seeing sparrows in activities and seeing pathways in areas that very much resemble a track. Them having the day one emblem available for two days was the best thing they could have done due to have bad the servers were. I was pissed when I found out you had to do the reprised raids twice, I just left after learning that. The ROOT raid was pretty hard for our team. People forget that good players all group up on those days and newer players or "bad" players are constantly left behind, and that happened pretty badly for ROOT. The only way some people were able to get the day one was to hop from team to team because at some point it becomes very obvious that the team isn't going anywhere anymore. That is literally all the Destiny 2 Discord LFG server was filled with, people alone or in duos/trios looking for people halfway through the raid. I think the loud minority of players that play this game more often than they should be often go over those new to the game or those that aren't as good, thinking that they are the larger population of the game when they really aren't. That itself is harming the player-base as a whole and just general playability. You have people leaving in droves cause they are bored, they want more, yet when people make suggestions or talk about past events that got them to play more, they are constantly harassed by this loud minority and basically silenced. Its really bad on Facebook with this especially, seeing new guardians constantly be harassed or treated awful for asking questions or needing help by these veteran players. Like I'm all for a challenge, and I said I wanted to see more mechanics and such, but there is a point where it does become too difficult for the newer player, or players who simply don't have the time to put in 5000 hours of Destiny 2 alone. I really hope to see a balance in it, along with the 48 hour "day ones" for raids simply because I missed out on several simply because I kept getting kicked from the servers so much that it ended up taking too long. All our veterans can be done and offline resting, allowing others a chance to actually connect. Or those who can't get off work the first 24 hours. Let people have a chance and honestly, I wanted to avoid the term but its incredibly hard to do so when the literal definition is being done against new and casual players so constantly, but ya'll gotta stop gatekeeping. Ya'll gotta stop being so hateful that other people got an emblem or an emote. You'd think this behavior and mentality would have stopped with the Calus Toast emote and how bungie when about that. I earned that emote like bungie wanted and then a literal week later I went and helped idk how many people through a title card that just gave you the emote. I didn't and couldn't give two shits that they got it the "easy way". Some of ya'll need heavy reminders to what it was like for you when you first started, or a chance at being in the shoes of a player who just isn't good. Its okay to let people have some things lmfao, just know when enough is enough and not to go too far with it.

[@samanthaprzybylski5526]

let me know if there's any type or grammar mistakes in the replies I'm too tired to proofread atm

[@ballpython365]

Bungie needs to consider trying to increase player population with content that isnt pinnacle end game content. It doesn't make sense to try to get new players into the hardest content anyways. Day 1 raids should never have been pushed towards new players, it is intended to be the pinnacle of Destinys PvE endgame. Use something else to get new players in, and let them discover what the hardcore players are doing once they are in. Seems pretty simple to me...

[@blueguy2128]

Bruh how is it at half? I rarely notice I'm "resilient" and I'm at 100. Id say it's not strong enough from my own playing experience.

[@npeer2005]

How about 2 playlists for crucible? One with sbmm and one without?

[@zetenypapp5048]

Idk if its possible or not but, what if there was an sbmm button that u could switch on-off? So the new players can turn it on and who doesnt want it can turn it off. Change my mind.

[@WeinerWonderlad]

Noobs and new players would turn it on. Good people will turn it off. Since only good people would turn it off, they would match each other which would basically be the same as if it was on anyway

[@stopomccampet]

hunter is true love and the best for me. But if you look really into it there all are great classes.

[@Sorcerer_Lynx]

Number 1: Resiliance is strong, i had no idea it does so many things. The damage résistance is totally normal for something called resilience. But it shouldn't be a big factor in PvP. To make a comparison, hunters are a bit like scouts from tf2 mixed with spies, warlock look like medics and a bit of soldier while titans look like heavy and demoman. It make sens to separate them in differents "armor resistance classes" in TF2 because every class have different weapons, not in Destiny 2 so for balancing damage resistance in PvP should also be the same when not having a status effect. Number 2: Micro transactions are ok if they are just cosmetics. For DLCs its another subject, raid keys shouldn't be to buy on top of the DLC the raid is from though. Number 3: The problem isn't sbmm, it never is. The problems are how the skill is quantified and that casual play should be separated from ranked. I don't know how to improve the skill part of sbmm but separating the playlist between casual and ranked for every mods of play, that should be done. Just make a menu like classic or legendary for the campaign difficulty but for casual or ranked before choosing the activity like carnage or capture the flag. Number 4: ... are you serious... ? The game is out since so long and there is terms for manythings that only players who were in the community for long enought would understand. Like Blueberries. But callouts aren't really a thing yet ??? ... In a way thats impressive i guess. Number 5: Do the players complaining about that knows that powercreep is in every video game since decades ? 'Cause thats embarrassing for them. Of course past exotics should remain usable, but they are the exceptions, not the norm. Number 6: Keep calm, use what ever you feel the most confortable with (expect cheats), get good. None is better than the others, just play, keep calm, get good. The skill issues come from between the controller/keyboard and the chair. And also, like solarlight show on TF2: controllers can do flicks like mouses with a well set gyroscope. If your controller have one at least. Number 7: Just continue doing like with the latest one, its good now.

[@TheHypochrisy]

One tiny point, Protective Light is still in the game. It's now called Emergency Reinforcement.

[@Gjerda]

watch to the end to see catgrin ❤️🙏

[@HannyaHalo]

I myself wasn't really on either side of the argument when it came to the damage resistance buff on resilience. My main problem was the scaling being completely out of wack. The Difference between tier 1 to 5 is 5% but from 5 to 8 is 10?! My main suggestion was to rebalance the scaling on the damage resistance on top of a slight nerf because to be honest 40% was just a bit too much and I suggested 30. And would you look at that when the patch notes finally rolled around they nerfed it to 30% on top of rebalancing the scaling on different tiers of resilience. It honestly felt really good to be right on the money when it came to the changes.

[@ForeverLaxx]

But then Bungie effectively double-nerfed Resilience and overly punished low Resilience players by scaling combatant damage under the assumption that you had 100 Resilience at all times. They traded one "mandatory" mod for a mandatory stat, which I would argue is way worse as it's far more restrictive regarding builds and takes far longer to grind the right armor for.

[@mrxerxes7947]

Like it or not, sunsetting guns was a positive thing. It made you grind for the new weapons. Lets say a new kinetic handcannon came out: why would I grind for that thing when I have a nice ass Austringer from 5 years ago with similar perks? It drove you to acquire new guns. Some guns should not be sunsetted such as raid weapons. Armor should NEVER be sunsetted because having to grind for the correct role AGAIN is a fucking pain in the balls and IS annoying

[@Royan356]

A bit late to this video, but, how about, Bungie makes an extra difficult contest mode called contest+ or something? If people who are mad, because the game is more accessible to new players, why not make a super difficult contest mode with enemies 50 or even 75 light power ABOVE the contestents. But, knowing the community, day 1 raiders would still be mad.

[@joshuaadkins9820]

Talking about oryx callouts, oryx would be at the back. using basic common sense the entrance to a room building or otherwise is called the front the furthest point from the front is the back. therefore oryx would be at the back of the room.

[@hpfan136]

For me, vault space isnt an issue. I only have 123/600 vault space

[@SkyeBerryJam]

I can't imagine playing some of the newer content without at least 20% resist

[@HannyaHalo]

Honestly when it comes to day 1 raids I think 48 hours is better. Gives people time to sleep and do other things. For a long time one of our friends could never participate because they had work but thanks to the extension we were able to tackle it together just a couple hours after the raid released. Plus if you beat it on contest then you beat it. Even if it took longer you overcame that challenge so to gatekeep the emblem behind a time limit is stupid. BUT the difficulty should be at minimum on par with Vow of the Disciple, RON while did give my fireteam trouble was still a bit too easy for a day 1 raid and I miss the absolute grueling difficulty of something like Day 1 caretaker.

[@Pyzka67]

I mean resil is just wierd right now coz you tell me that 40% dmg reduction form T10+Being on arc with seasonal mod and any armor resil mod gives me around 75% to 85% dmg reduction and i still get 2 tapped while being 1806 in hero nightfall. Im not saying that resil is to weak but numbers are just wierd for me. maybe i don't understand something but at the end of the day i just like to play rather than get in to numbers im to dumb for this

[@StardustAuroraSky]

I got called a hacker from a newer player because I got 2 we rans in a match… I felt so bad. But it felt so good.

[@kashema1810]

Contest mode emblems should be slightly animated or have a glow if you completed it Day 1

[@Septemus_]

That frostbolt callout in vog 😂😂

[@clayaddison949]

Day👏one👏raid👏isn’t👏for👏new👏players👏

[@suzanned5859]

Not sure why anyone would be upset by making the game easier for casuals. If you want a challenge drop your own resistance stat and let the rest of us enjoy more of the game. I got a full time job and suddenly the game began to feel too hard for me. Probably going to not buy next expansion sadly.

[@FallenLegionaire]

destiny 1 was fun for me up until taken king were they put content that I could do previously behind a paywall, destiny 2 was fun up until witch queen and I just gave up on the game entirely

[@UNNYANEMPEROR38]

whats the point of playing as a titan if you don't have defence, its literally the main reason "tank"

[@matthewreed5988]

King's fall challenge seems apropriate RON was a bit lame. I have never done a day one but even as a spectator, RON was not much of an event because contest mode and the mechanics weren't a once or twice in a year experience.

[@azimuth3d211]

Something I don't understand about matchmaking is that my friend and I had a fair trials card the other day got to 6 wins pretty easily but then on our 2nd mercy game we get a stupid pve player with a pve roll auto like where is sbmm there were on flawless game yet we get him and the enemy curbstomp us. I don't get why sbmm was made if it doesn't work

[@Nightstalker3791]

All those Destiny players that were in favour of susnetting somehow didn't see Bungie brining back the same weapons immediately after (e.g. Gnawing Hunger) despite their developers stating difficulty in creating content many years previously. Epic surprise Pikachu moment.

[@tronicalli7587]

Sunsetting could be much less severe if they deleted all past season missions / assets from the game, if they dont do that already that is.

[@bartoniuskrunk2366]

Resilience was always linked to baracade cool down And protective light is technically still available just a different name

[@CastleContent]

Common misconception. At the launch of d2 it wasn’t tied to barricade.

[@Wesker-b7o]

I miss resource gathering 🙂,perhaps I was the only one who was ok with gathering resources, it was ok in d1,why they remove them in d2 don't understand. P.S. imho.

[@mr.dr0bot731]

I find it interesting that Bungie had matchmaking figured out in Halo 3, 15 years ago.

[@BrozvilleRealm]

Fun Fact: Halo 3 and Destiny 2 are completely different games

[@stoneycooper9758]

I fucking hate having Sunsetting. Waste of all the time we put into getting certain weapons.

[@pavimaddy5579]

I 100% support that day 1 raid should be hard. Am I solo Player I don't have a clan or friends who can play with me. I spent so many hours of learning and so many kick out to become a strong player now who can do solo end game content. Even it was hard for me to come this state, I support the game should be hard so that I take it more challenging. Root of nightmare was total disappointment for me when I compare to the learning process of VOW

[@kieronharvey]

Always with you detailed content. 🎉🎉