The 808 and 909 clone in ONE box! // Don't Buy it.

The Novation DrumStation is probably one of the rarer drum machines or drum rack units i've ever come across. I've wanted one for ages, and they always seem to slip passed me, and eventually i convinced myself i didn't need it. Now that i have it i Love! It uses ASM technology with digitally models analog waveshapes and sounds to recreate the sounds of the original Roland TR-808 and Roland TR-909 drum machines. I think it's an incredible alternative giving you access to both machines at once.
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[@user-im1ux1tf9h]

Ricky: "Do Not Buy This" *hits play* Me: I need it Now

[@kvmoore1]

I had a Drumstation V2 model like the one you have. I sold it back in 2010 and have regretted it ever since. The one thing I missed the most about it is how hard and deep that 808 bassdrum could get and the fact you could play the 808 kick chromatically across the midi keyboard. That thing had my beats KNOCKIN'!!!!! However. I have a nice assortment of 808 samples in an MPC now plus I have two original TR808s, a Behringer RD-8, and a Roland TR8-S. As a result, I don't see myself ever buying another Drumstation again. I don't need it. Thanks for the review!!!

[@quietandpeacefulman]

I’m a big fan of the DrumStation and BassStation rack. I have both and never tire of what they have to offer - hands on fast voice transforming as soon as the sequence gets going. Just enough depth to allow flexibility but not get lost in menus and tweaks. Separate outs going into separate channels of my analogue desk means individual eq, compression and effects. It is a fun and immediately satisfying box of tricks. Marry up with the BassStation and we are magically transported back to 1994 which is no bad place to be

[@FuZZbaLLbee]

Already have the 808 an 909 in a box called the TR-8 😀

[@RaverOperatorGeeza]

@Elsa ♪ get stuffed with your spam links. Nothing to do with music "Elsa". do one!!

[@issmodissmo1485]

I sold my tr-8 last week. It's a cool machine.

[@RaverOperatorGeeza]

@@issmodissmo1485 new as a producer, or inexperienced is more accurate now I guess, but what's wrong with using samples? Hopefully you recorded your TR-808 sounds before it departed from your arms! 🤗

[@jimmywheelo]

@@issmodissmo1485 everytime I sell my TR8 I end up buying another one months later

[@Mike-tg7db]

and 707 and 727 and 606. it's all you need!

[@floatinganarchychannel3204]

Really nice to see producers like you talk with lots of passion, keep up the good vibe

[@birdFEEDER]

Love my Drumstation(!!!), have had it for decades now, surprised you didn't mention that the pitch can be tied to velocity, so a subtle, microtonal increase in pitch can be heard for fills and whatnot as you drive velocities between 100 and 127, best on snares of course, but also interesting on toms & hats.

[@lexluther7378]

Yeah I still have mine(the V1 which I just recently upgraded the chips to the last version v1.3). It’s definitely raw but once you put some processing with it, the sky is the limit. The distortion processing on it is good. I’m using it with the Edisyn patch editor on my Mac to make my own presets. Glad you’re loving it Ricky.

[@mint909]

I LOVED my Drumstation! I would use a Roland TR-626 [which I bought for $75 at the time] to trigger mine. So, I had the 808/909 sounds but programmed them like the OG machines.

[@westerncivilization]

That's a great way to do it. Cheers.

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

Honestly the TR-626 is the most slept on Roland drum machine, period. That thing is the shit.

[@supermonkeycollider]

Had one for a decade and one of my all time favorites. Running these from a TR505/626 was the move back in the 90s.

[@gudmundurThor96Nr2]

I got myself a Jomox airbase99 a fantastic drum machine, people say it is 909 clone, but it is it's own thing.

[@blakecasimir]

All the 90s Novation racks are great even today. A little saturation and they still have so much to offer. But watch out for those buttons. They suck and need servicing.

[@ben1210]

On the plus side they have amazing customer service, bet they have great advice for servicing and will send spares if they have any hidden away

[@lynchseanm]

Love this. I’ve wanted one of these for a while and I just found one on eBay with a bent rack ear. I got it $159 😀

[@bzprod]

I've always wanted one of these so it was awesome to hear it in action! Another good 1u drum machine - In the late 80s Akai made a 1u drum machine called "XE8". I picked one of these up recently for super cheap and it's an absolute blast (harsh so needs to be tamed). It has that S1000/S3000/MPC3000 punch. I'm not sure why these rack units went out of style, but they're really fun. Thanks for sharing it!

[@giantm2323]

I miss my old xe8…. The limited number of sounds always took me out of it though

[@RickyTinez]

I've never heard of that one! I'll have to check it out. I used to have my MPC 4000 sitting on a huge rolling rack case and it was my tower of power. I made so much music and had sooooo many sounds to choose from because it was all Midi'd up! Rack gear is amazing if the menu interface isn't a single button and left and right arrow haha

[@cheveresanr]

do you still want one? I've got one for sale

[@channelite]

My Drumstation came back to life when I paired it with the Digitakt.

[@ourmindzdj]

This sounds really nice. Would be really interested to hear how it sounds stacked up against the Behringer 808 & 909 analog remakes. More in terms of character

[@jamesmorton7938]

Bought one too two weeks ago so far found time to play with it for five minutes, love it! It’s got girth!

[@lineoneL1]

I have both the drum station v2 and original bass station (complemented by a Roland MKS-50) in a 3U flight case as my little "mobile" inspiration station. All you need for when the mood strikes. I love rack synths!

[@SPAZZOID100]

I had one. Sounded good, but the limited polyphony on a drum module was unacceptable to me.

[@devmiles]

I’ve had one for a long time and it’s a very useful and good sounding unit. Controls are tight and flexible.

[@guitarbombdotcom]

Had one of these in the '90s, they did two versions and I had the second version which is the one you are using in the video. They are not the best sounding to me but are certainly useable. I always found the 909 tones pretty weak, but I had a 909 and the Jomox Airbase, both are a lot better and have more depth. If you can get one cheap, then the Drumstation is okay, but it has to be cheap.

[@wackerburg]

I agree. For 2-300 bucks it's a great machine, saves space and it also is more fun than using samples. Had one for years. Sequenced it with an MPC 2000 or the TR-626. I also used lots of different sample packs, well-made and paid. That being said, I pulled the trigger and finally bought the original machines now. After like 25 years of using the sounds. I did not realize HOW MUCH I was actually "socialized" on TR-909 drums. Basically since I was a teenager. So I bought a 909 about two years ago. Yes. Had to pay the price they cost now. I questioned myself whether all this money was really worth it. Those doubts never crossed my mind after I started using it. It is not only the sounds, but also the workflow which adds greatly to the result. But somehow the sound is much more powerful compared to the aforementioned way of using samples. I primarily settled on "Samples From Mars" and "Goldbaby" for these. Yes, I am aware of other alternatives, looked into those, did not like them. I AM NOT INTERESTED in discussing this further :-D Yes, it would be nice if the prices were lower, but these machines are no Jupiter 8s or Yamaha CS-80s. I am still floored how much punch a 909 has. The myth that it needs to be processed with EQ and compression to achieve that is not true imho. You need to use it "right" and then it just stomps. Love it to death. After that experience, I watched a documentary on the 808 and kinda fell in love with it, too. Totally different machine in my opinion. Sounds cute, pleasant and nice yet present at the same time. Like a way "nicer" kind of power compared to the 909. So I expected a real 808 to be also way different to using samples and looked for one. That was one year ago. I found a great unit, which is serviced and calibrated now. With the 808, samples are even more off from the actual machine. What a difference, I do not know why that is. For instance, the 808 produces signals up to and past 100kHz easily. I did not expect that from a 40 year old machine. It is fun to use, yet quite different from the 909. And the kind of workflow also yields different results. Both machines are pretty demanding from the following chain in my experience. Too much power to handle. Recently, I used my computer as an FX machine and the plugins were really not up to dealing with that energy coming from the 808 whereas decent hardware reverbs, delays and EQ/dynamics even add to the great sound. I think most producers nowadays have no real experience with these machines any more, just like I didn't know what to expect before actually using the originals in depth. As I said again, I do not know why and how the old units do what they do. And yes, I wish they would be cheaper or I bought them a few years back. But then again it is what it is and to this day if you REALLY want the 808/909 experience, you have to buy these. I do not regret those purchases, especially since prices even went up a little - so the money is not lost, for sure.

[@volt7cooltangs701]

When I owned OG 808 & 909 originally back in the 80s I had my 808 midied up and clocked them off Steinberg Pro 24 then Cubase sequencer. Then I got the very good Roland S-550 rack sampler and sampled them. Then like many others at the time I sold them for not much money. 1990. Yes, they are absolutely beautiful and tactile objects and wonderful things to use but at the time they just took up too much of my studio space. Sound wise you can get, match or beat the sounds, software or samples and modelling but I suppose nothing beats the whole experience of the OGs. The Roland Boutiques TR-08 and TR-09 that i have now are affordable, small and are a lot of fun. I suppose the biggest difference is the lack of individual outs. The TR-09 is very, very close in terms of sound. The TR-08 is there apart from the hi hats that lack the metallic fizz. The rest of the 08 sounds are great. Very Nice vid Ricky. I like the early Novation stuff.

[@PK-ct1bm]

Biggest issue is the timing via midi. It is always sloppy. We had one of these back in the days. As we had no access to 808s or 909s we headed over to an MPC. That one did the job. Apart of the timing issue, they nailed the sound quite good. I remember I spent lit. DAYS on water and cigarettes jamming with the drumstation and an ATARI ST. 😅

[@mudsh4rk]

All of the 90s 1u Novation stuff is pretty nice on its own terms. I've been trying to convince myself to sell my Bass Station Rack for years because I have other, "better" analog synths that cover the same ground on paper, but it just has a specific kind of lead sound I can't get from anything else and I use it all the time.

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

Had one of these back in the day. Definitely great for its time. Nowadays there's not much point in getting one unless you find it SUPER cheap since there's so many other options.

[@robertross7491]

Was just walking back - thinking about a sample set of at least 30+ variations on an Airbase clap with processing eq/ distortion/ fx. Those contemporary composers have the handle on spectral variation - we should be in there establishing the subtle options of humane touch. Mr.Tinez on the zeitgeist.

[@StephenMcLeod]

I just bought it because I refuse to be told what to do. Take that.

[@steepmike7872]

One of my live setups is a Dstation, A station, and Bass station in a tiny rack. Such an amazing and powerful combo.

[@quietandpeacefulman]

I have all 3 sitting cosy in my small rack. Each one is amazing in its own right. Together they are a powerhouse

[@lo-firobotboy7112]

I've always loved the Novation Drumstation and orginal Bass Station.

[@Schilliebillie]

I still have mine! Lovely thick sound. Thanks Ricky.

[@mikeb2575]

I used to own one of these, great machines apart from one fatal flaw. When using and editing it used to reset back to the factory sound, effectively losing all your edits, even after saving... I now own a TR-8s which is so much better...

[@distantcomets]

My new year's resolution was no new drum machines but for a few minutes, you were really messing with my willpower, sir. (Don't worry - I'm good now. My AR Mk2 was like "ahem! I'm right here!")

[@Claidheambmor]

Just got one. Love it. It's a keeper. Beautiful, crunchy, raw.

[@EnigmaState]

I love my Novation Drumstation V2. I thought I'd get rid of it when I got my Behringer RD-9 but I still prefer to use the clap from the DrumStation and the fact you can tune it too

[@krewcialofficial]

I bought and resold this a couple of times, but the user interface is jurassic compared to the options we have today. Plus you need an extra interface and cabling to operate it. A TR8 sounds at least as good and is much more spontaneous to program or mess with. Basically, Roland made these Novation drumstations obsolete when they released their range of TR's. And that's even before I remembered the voice stealing.

[@supermonkeycollider]

I love working with note stealing, mute a sequence part and all of a sudden new stuff happens!

[@subs4794]

Its a VST in a rack using old DSP.

[@SPAZZOID100]

@@supermonkeycollider ?????

[@stephenkyburz6529]

The drum rack I always wanted was the Jomox AirBase...I know you're a big novation fan, but those Jomox kicks are so evil !

[@mauriziomauricone]

I still have my V1 but have not used it for at least a decade. My copy was a little noisy, especially on the toms. Replaced it with a JoMoX Air Base. Had a lot of fun with it.

[@AlexBallMusic]

So long before there was Roland ACB there was this? Don't think I'd ever paid attention as to what this was. I know the Bass Station of course, but I don't know why I didn't look into the Drum Station. Thanks for the vid!

[@blakecasimir]

Worth keeping in mind they made iterations that added polyphony, e.g. the D Station.

[@RickyTinez]

Thanks for tuning in man!

[@westerncivilization]

this in combo with the rack bass station were in a lot of studios

[@MrzodiacBE]

Always loved the Bass Station and Drum Station. Sold it years ago. Bought a new Bass Station 2 a few years ago and last year bought a tr8s, which I love tbh.

[@carstensorensen154]

Great video as usual and on a device I had not noticed. If the second-hand price is too steep, then Softube's Heartbeat does almost the same (but of course in software ;-)

[@lilmarktube4773]

I have the later silver D-Station and Love it

[@colindavis2113]

Gotta tr8s and it’s pretty dope. I’d like to get and rd8 and 9 cuz the sound of those 808s and 909s are a little better but the tr8s is excellent. This is much cheaper though. This is sick cuz it’s the main kits I want. Would love a tr8s vs. novation video. Thanks for the dope vids again and for fueling my never ending GAS! I’m freakin broke man cuz I spent all my money on gear!! stop doing this to me man!! 😂

[@fasterdetail]

used tr909 ext inst to trig 808 sounds on drumstation..also ab both 909 and drumstation 909 and they are spot on with the difference of more sound adjustment on drumstation..this is a real deal rack unit.

[@segfault-berlin]

Could you do a video on programming this thing. I picked up one of these 6 months ago for a great price, but don't find myself using it much because I find it frustrating to program from the DAW.

[@bobtronic73]

I had one of these in the late 90s together with an Access Virus. Good times 😊

[@HouseJackBuilt]

Bought this thing 10 years ago for €50. The same year someone gave me his Akai S2000 for free... Those were the years :-D

[@jadewagenaar2431]

Hey Ricky Inspiring as usual!!! Not sure if I missed a video where you explain it or maybe need to finally commit to joining the member list BUT Why are you rocking the laptop of late? Any particular reason or just trying to change it up? *Beat Baking Session Engaged*

[@static-audio]

Had one 15 years ago... regret selling it now lol. For 808 and 909 I use my old akai s1000 which sounds great but a pain to change variables.

[@cheveresanr]

do you still want one? I've got one for sale

[@gin-sonic]

I always looked at this module but quite frankly I am really happy with using samples. I do have the RD-8 and consider the RD-9 but on the other hand you can get many plugins that provide the same vibe.

[@AJ_Reynolds]

Plug-ins just don’t quite do it for me. There’s something about real analog drums that feels more 3D and alive. It’s subtle and I probably wouldn’t notice on other peoples tracks, but when it comes to my music, I feel analog satisfies me more.

[@SPAZZOID100]

@@AJ_Reynolds this module is digital.

[@AJ_Reynolds]

@@SPAZZOID100 yes I know. I was replying to someone who said plug-ins provide the same vibe as the RD-8 and RD-9 which are analog.

[@gombles]

Hey Ricky! You rock.

[@RaverOperatorGeeza]

Was gonna post something similar myself! No need now :)

[@Rompler_Rocco]

Always wanted one, super impressed with how well they nailed the character in a digital rack 💯

[@cheveresanr]

do you still want one? I've got one for sale

[@Rompler_Rocco]

@@cheveresanr I wish I could say yes! Things are just too tight right now. But thanks for asking!

[@maxceelen2202]

8:00 the clap, rimshot, cymbals, hats, cowbell, maracas and claves are samples. The other instruments are ASM

[@michaelpierce3264]

Ricky don’t forget you can record knob recording movements

[@MattGreerMusic]

I used to have one of these. I remember it sounded quite authentic to my ears. I sold it when I got my RYTM but it was a good product.

[@bakerbakerbaker305]

the 909 sounds authentic to me from this video

[@bakerbakerbaker305]

it’s crazy how many alternatives there are for an affordable price wow

[@peaterrepeater4441]

You could map a drumrack to it (with external instrument in the cells) to use it with Push´s Drum-Sequencer, just as you would with the included Drumracks.

[@AlistairMaxwell77]

had one for a many years . they are a bit noisy , occasionally glitchy if sent too much midi data . the are great overdriven and have a harder less flabby tone than the originals . do you need it ? well do you need anything these days besides a daw and few plug ins and samples? do you want it ? if you have the space the behringer clones would be more aspirational

[@matthiasstock9620]

I had one in 1998/1999. The output level is very low so you massively have to turn up gain on the mixer which increases noise. The tweakability of the sounds is very limited, also the polyphony. When I sent a lot of Midi CC's to it in summer 1999 it went into some kind of "freeze" mode and never get out of it. A few hundred bucks wasted. Never again a Novation Drumstation. I now have a Behringer RD8 MKII and Jomox Alpha Base and both are fantastic.

[@edwardlee8273]

Ricky uploading early in the week - took me by surprise but I still click. Best KZbinr on the whole site - you the man, keep up the good Shit mate

[@RickyTinez]

hahaha i let that one slip! oops

[@Computerrorist]

This machine used to be sitting next to a Jomox X-Base, on my desk 15 years ago. The jomox's bassdrum wiped the floor with Novation's 909 attempt, and had way better feel. Also, the interface of the Novation is horrendous. If I had to choose something like this now I'd go for a Roland TR-8s, or buy one of those Uli 808 clones (gotta love thàt interface though, one is on my desk atm).

[@__teles__]

I was wondering why get a DrumStation when the TR-8 has all the sounds.

[@futurebeats898]

i'd walk away and never come back bro no doubt 1:20 haha

[@stupidamericanpig7357]

you hear about Ricky's new corduroy hats? theyre making head lines!!!

[@G4ZZYP]

On an unrelated topic, if you haven't already....you need to have a play with NI Playbox. I am loving it. Keep jammin

[@RickyTinez]

what... in.. the world... I have to check this out haha it looks so crazy

[@Yahootie]

Hi Ricky, I’d love it if you would do a video on the Paripi Destroyer. You explain things so clearly and the instructions that come with the Paripi aren’t very clear. Thanks

[@npcstewart1441]

I managed to pick a Novation D-Station for the price of a Drumstation. The D-Station has greater polyphony, 9 note as opposed to a measly 5! A very fun unit, especially when individually processed via FX. I like the 909 kit the most, yet the 808 is definitely usable, just not authentic 808 analogue sound yet not like samples or R-8 808 kit but weird early virtual analogue.

[@albertswift]

All Drumstations, (V1 and V2 ) and the D-Station are internally Identical other than Firmware.

[@PerseusTraxx]

Are these rare now? I've had a number of these through my hands over the years and was probably one of the first machines I had. I wouldn't go as far as saying it was a clone as it uses ASM (as you mention) but they're good sounds, decent outputs and great value, though what I went back for each time I picked one up, was the sound of that rimshot!

[@zeusdeux]

Hot damn that crunch! 🤌🏼

[@WoodyAki]

Cool as you like soundwise, but their construction was the pits. Bought one brand new back in '97-'98...within two weeks two of the outputs and half of the buttons died.

[@Hhyperspace]

I gotz the RD-9 and very happy. Can bring it over any time.

[@kevteop]

Someone local to me was selling one of these just before Christmas so I got one for Christmas too! But the power jack has come out and it's in the jungle at the back of my rack and I can't bring myself to wade in there right now to plug it back in...

[@aaronchase1973]

I love my RD9, but not too sure if I have the space for a RD8. So this is tempting to have this give me all the 808 sounds. But finding these for less than $400 sorta just forces you to decide on getting something else, so I see your point. But it’s all supply & demand.

[@AJ_Reynolds]

I’m in a similar situation. Have an RD8 and want to add an RD9 but they’re so big! I love having the sequencer built in so wouldn’t replace the RD8 but it would be nice to have something I can put in the rack.

[@sergedotcom]

Sick, never see this on used listings in LA at a price im willing to drop on it

[@josh4590]

How does this stack up to a Roland TR8 or 8s ?. Those are also analog modelling

[@steepmike7872]

as a lover and user of both. The TR8 is more immediate and has a lot more live playability. Both sound great but sound different. The Drus station is CRUNCHY as its pretty low res compared to the tr8. The tr8 sounds fantastic but I usually use outboard effects to get it to slam the way that I want. I do that with the Dstation to.

[@isaac.anthony]

i had a Drumstation until i bought a TR8s, and had no problems letting it go. It's not a bad substitution for samples if you have a good sequencer.

[@lab-by-the-sea]

When i had the 1st Bassstation Keyboard i wanted that Drumrack so badly (colour seemed different when it first came out), but could not afford it....

[@GoodfaYou]

Pair mine with Electribe Er-1 to sequence and layer sounds

[@elenastaworski9384]

whats the best functioning sequencer for drum machine?

[@kefamo83vr]

is it possible to control the drum station with a midi keyboard? thanks

[@voodoohex72]

had one back in the day. Sampled it and sold it. Now I use samples and tr8s.

[@CP4700]

Ordered the new hat ! Cool !

[@ashorii]

dude how do you keep / clean that Push! It's pristine..

[@NIKMuzka]

I think i paid less than £80 for one off these back in the early 2000s. 808 and 909 in a rack was heaven

[@baddriddimworkshop]

I'm from the french european illegal free party rave culture. 25 years ago, companys like novation,

[@isaacanthonydj4124]

Before i bought the TR8S, my Drumstation and a ER1 were a dope combo. TR8S is the best drum computer i've owned, don't miss the drumstation...

[@isaacanthonydj4124]

or the ER1 LoL

[@isaacanthonydj4124]

TR6s would be WAY better than drumstation, so if you're spending that much, you're doing it for the prestige of ownership, LoL

[@isaacanthonydj4124]

Jeff Mills of the Novation Drumstation right thur! LoL

[@Hennesg]

Hey Ricky Im just wondering what your musical journey is/was. Did you learn instruments at a young age? Can you read notes do you know alot of music theory? Did you maybe study or try to study music at university?

[@BIGPUN4EVER]

How do I set up the midi so I can play it with my Maschine mk3?

[@baddriddimworkshop]

What's that sequencer drumpad thing he's using please?

[@sammadden5540]

If this goes viral Novation gunna release it

[@user-ry5rl9og3f]

What are your thoughts on this vs a Behringer RD-9?

[@devondetroit2529]

You’d have to be crazy to buy one of these today

[@bradenrodriguez5183]

Ricky is your s2400 gathering dust or what? about time for an update man!

[@Jvssvl]

Great video Ricky. I’m a new viewer, could you tell me the name of your headphones please?

[@Death_By_Media]

Yeah Novation port the D station engine into the circuits 😉

[@chrisolley2762]

We used one of these on a song which became a minor hit.

[@gin-sonic]

and btw what happened Ricky, your video popped up earlier this week :-D

[@rockmanrock3984]

"Not samples". Hmm, I say. Even in the Drumstation manual they admit some sounds e.g. clap are pure samples. I suspect the other sounds aren't pure DSP modelled either, I think they're layered sampled elements like the 808/909 versions that Roland did for the R8 cards. One of the giveaways is the noise source in the snares, it's sampled noise, same on every hit. The "modelling" bit is that you can blend it with the drum skin tone/sample and adjust decay and tuning. Overall it's a useful box if you can get it for a low price but these days the modern 808/909 options from Roland and Behringer are much better.

[@chrishall5985]

Ive Had 2 of them. Theyre cool b/c its 1 rack space, flexible multi out, midi to din synch conversion clockout. BUT its not even remotely as good as many smaller euro rack drum modules. The overall sound is not nearly as girthy as a good analog module

[@henommusic1229]

Wait... What day is it again? Does this video mean that I'm off tomorrow?

[@matthiastilly5480]

My bread & butter drummachine! I love that ugly beast!

[@smacksalad]

I'm with ya, stop buying shit me! :) Still havent unboxed the reel to reel I bought weeks ago :)

[@earlsfield]

What is it that you do in Novation again?

[@k-g-p]

"NO! Don't buy it!" ... And he bounces his head. 😀 😍 Yeah, just take my money.🤪👍