The A.I. Dilemma - March 9, 2023

[@TheLionrazor]

Hey all, manually went through the whole vid to summarize good quality chapter heads to click on. This info is too important. If anyone wants to condense further from here, you're welcome! Introduction and Talk start 0:49 Introduction: Steve Wozniak Introduces Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin 1:30 Talk begins: The Rubber band effect 3:16 Preface: What does responsible rollout look like? 4:03 Oppenheimer Manhattan project analogy 4:49 Survey results on the probability of human extinction 3 Rules of Technology 5:36 1. New tech, A New Class of Responsibilities 6:42 2. If a Tech confers power, it starts race 6:47 3. If you don't coordinate, the race ends in tragedy First contact with AI: 'Curation AI' and the Engagement Monster 7:02 First contact moment with curation AI: Unintended consequences 8:22 Second contact with creation AI 8:50 The Engagement Monster: Social media and the race to the bottom Second contact with AI: 'Creation AI' 11:23 Entanglement of AI with society 12:48 Not here to talk about the AGI apocalypse 14:13 Understanding the exponential improvement of AI and Machine Learning 15:13 Impact of Language models on AI Gollem-class AIs 17:09 GLLMM: Generative Large Language Multi-Modal Model (Gollem AIs) 18:12 Multiple Examples: Models demonstrating complex understanding of the world 22:54 Security vulnerability exploits using current AI models, and identity verification concerns 27:34 Total decoding and synthesizing of reality: 2024 will be the last human election Emergent Capabilities of GLLMMs: 29:55 Sudden breakthroughs in multiple fields and theory of mind 33:03 Potential shortcoming of current alignment methods against a sufficiently advanced AI 34:50 Gollem-class AI can make themselves stronger AI can feed itself 37:53 Nukes don't make stronger nukes: AI makes stronger AI 38:40 Exponentials are difficult to understand 39:58 AI is beating tests as fast as they are made Race to deploy AI 42:01 Potential harms of 2nd contact AI 43:50 AlphaPersuade 44:51 Race to intimacy 46:03 At least we're slowly deploying Gollems to the public to test it safely? 47:07 But we would never actively put this in front of our children? 49:30 But at least there are lots of safety researchers? 50:23 At least the smartest AI safety people think there's a way to do it safely? 51:21 Pause, take a breath How do we choose the future we want? 51:43 Challenge of talking about AI 52:45 We can still choose the future we want 53:51 Success moments against existential challenges 56:18 Don't onboard humanity onto the plane without democratic dialogue 58:40 We can selectively slow down the public deployment of GLLMM AIs 59:10 Presume public deployments are unsafe 59:48 But won't we just lose to China? How do we close the gap? 1:02:28 What else can we do to close the gap between what is happening and what needs to happen? 1:03:30 Even bigger AI developments are coming. And faster. 1:03:54 Let's not make the same mistake we made with social media 1:03:54 Recap and Call to action

[@jackslice4373]

Thank you kind soul

[@lyleliston979]

8 I ij

[@yancyyoung6409]

Fantastic - thank you!

[@colinthorn]

Great work, really useful

[@EmyUrban]

Don’t board humanity into the plane without a democratic dialogue … This will never happen except if we have a global revolution …

[@handiman7143]

What scares me the most, is that a lot of people won't watch videos like these simply because of the time frame. Have tried to show it to a lot of people, but they don't think that they have the time to watch one hour educational videos on KZbin even though they do it every day on Netflix. How on earth are you to compete with short dopamine seeking content?

[@chookbuffy]

yeah its funny isnt it. "we" certainly have hours of time to catch up on our TV Series but can't make one hour to watch this. Potentially it is the same mental block that impedes people from ever thinking more deeply about existential issues

[@TAOfelas]

Ability to concentrate (not) for more than 20 minutes at a time, increasingly evident esp. in the younger generation.

[@Needassistance]

You don't. We are heading towards a brick wall and some are going to smash into it and others will be aware enough to dodge it. We are barreling towards the singularity, my biggest bet is that in this Inhuman world we are heading into the most valuable thing will be those who can maintain their humanity. In a world where humans are becoming obsolete strive to be the most human you can be.

[@odetoazam]

This guy talks too white

[@Mash-e1w]

Not sure only short form. Joe Rogan runs way past 1 hour. Depends on the viewer

[@dali3127-c1]

GPT4 was released 5 days after this presentation. AI is moving so fast that some of the things in this presentation became dated in less than one week. This is the exactly one of the main concerns these speakers are trying to get us to understand.

[@GS-tk1hk]

Yeah, I was looking at the theory of mind graph and wondered why they didn't put GPT-4's capabilities on there... if anyone wants to do a deeper dive into the emergent properties of LLMs, I suggest watching the presentation that went along with the "Sparks of AGI" paper from MS research.

[@nielskorpel8860]

Would there be enough time for a people to have a democratic debate on how to intervene on an AI-development intended to fuck the world up. Or would we be too late to defend ourselves.

[@linsqopiring6816]

Another thing that's changed a lot recently. I remember 2 or 3 months ago my curiosity about AI was really reved up especially about the dangers of it but I could hardly find anything interesting on the subject. Hardly anyone was being really black pill on this. Just a few prolific youtubers that also made a general video about AI and might have some misgivings.. So I thought, oh well that's that and stopped searching for it. But now just 2 to 3 months later the amount of quality videos like this that I get in search results or recommendations that do a good job on the dangers of AI is astounding. I can now do a deep dive in fear and paranoia about AI and have no shortage of good content to watch lol. The landscape of AI content on youtube has totally changed in the last couple months also.

[@TastyTardis]

Language models are not infinitely scalable. Progress will probably slow down.

[@linsqopiring6816]

@@TastyTardis In what way do you think they are not scalable?

[@deanjoynwa16]

I wish we could have listened to the QnA. Given the calibre of attendees it would have been brilliant to guage their reactions to this presentation!

[@samhblackmore]

Considering the gravity of this topic, I really appreciate the calm and respectful nature of this presentation. No overt fear mongering (although the material speaks for itself), just trying to bring this to people's attention and help us process it. Even admitting that it will be hard to process and preparing us for that. And as a side note, you don't often see a presentation having 2 speakers but it worked really well. They really complemented each other and made it more engaging with the back and forth riffing on shared experiences

[@Hellamoody]

Fully agree!

[@carnap355]

That was hard bait fear mongering though, saying it is hard to process to make people react emotionally, not critically

[@MattKerrigan83]

The part where they pretend to be a 13 year old (and got the same response they'd get if they Googled for the same advice) wasn't fear mongering?

[@jamesonskalinski6910]

​@Matt Kerrigan it's a different perspective from Google. Adults understand Google is not a person, it is not a friend, it is a tool to be used. Children might not understand that yet, and that is something to teach them, but snapchats ai is literally being marketed as a friend who loves and cares about you. It would be hard to explain it's not. Even more dangerous, is when snapchats ai is wearing a mask and pretending to actually be a person. These kids could make an online "friend" that is just an AI offering bad advice. The only difference is it needs a name that could be a real name, and a picture that could be a person. With the video, and voice AIs demod in this video, it won't be long before you can FaceTime somebody who doesn't exist. A person catfishing is dangerous enough, it's a matter of time before AI catfishing is a real thing.

[@destroytheboxes]

Except them saying, “don’t let the public see this stuff… but let the big businesses keep tinkering in their basements unregulated”

[@joesdailybeat]

I've enjoyed being a human with you all thus far. However, it's a wrap. Cheers and hug someone you care about today!

[@ninaromm5491]

@ Joe T Smith . Yes. Hug me now please, fast! I'm spooked - it's so ovey-kadoveys... Are you following Eliezer Yudkowski?

[@brushstroke3733]

Agreed. We are lemmings marching toward the cliff.

[@nicosoftnt]

Have you not been paying attention to the video? Do not make the same mistake of those nuclear weapons researchers that commited suicide because they thought there was no solution and the world was ending... Even if humanity still disappears to nuclear weapons, they still could have enjoyed all their remaining life spans...

[@loverrlee]

“It’s been a pleasure playing with you boys.” The band going down with the Titanic

[@joshbowen4361]

Perfect example of technological determinism in this comment... It's a hard perspective to avoid especially after watching this but it's one that is quite dangerous when the same perspective is shared by many people. "If x is going to end up this way, why bother trying to fix it."

[@darknewt9959]

I've been following AI for 30 years and this is the most powerful and considered hour of exposition I've seen in that entire time. Huge respect and it's given me a whole raft of material to take back to my corporate board.

[@canna-comedyculture5790]

I hope my cat lives 30 years. Black don't crack.

[@canna-comedyculture5790]

@@Gary-bz1rf There was a Futurama episode about that. It freaks Fry out the first time he realizes that commercials have been inserted into his dreams, but everybody else is just like "What's weird about that?" It's that whole ''new technology requires the defining of new rights" thing they're talking about in the beginning of this presentation. As MRI machines become smaller and more portable, and they already have, it seems your thoughts and dreams are not just yours anymore! They didn't mention it here, maybe they do in the study they were referring to, but I believe it was a Harvard study that showed that using an outside of the head (extracranial) magnetic stimulation of the brain showed a measurable ability to affect people's moral reasoning. Not mind 'control', but definitely mind 'influencing'.

[@urbanbuddha65]

@@canna-comedyculture5790 Maybe we will all start wearing tin foil hats to keep our thoughts private and guard ourselves from manipulation, and tin foil hat will stop being a term of mockery

[@canna-comedyculture5790]

@@urbanbuddha65 I'm making mine from whatever the inside of a microwave door is made of. That's what the Presidential Doomsday plane has on it!

[@nanasnotionswithcheryle8566]

Fax machines still confound me

[@andreawiatrek94]

We are so grateful for you. Please continue to try to get this regulated. Integrity and honesty are what we need today. Thank you for your concern for humanity. Many of us will stand behind you and support what you are trying to accomplish.

[@KurtvonLaven0]

I have been avidly researching AI safety, and this is the best primer I have found on the subject for a general audience. Thank you so much for this wonderful presentation.

[@dobrosawatoranska3392]

I am also helping spread the awareness of AI Ethics to build a Responsible AI. Can we somehow to connect somewhere? I see a lot of companies are happily using the ML, but are they prepared?

[@MrRightThinker]

LET THE AI GROW AT THE LEVEL THAT IT CAN DO MIRACLES . THEN AFTERWARDS JESUS SECOND WILL LOOK AFTER IT IF IT GOES WRONG. CONTINUE AI DEVELOPMENT. AI IS BIG HOPE.

[@jannikwildner2603]

@@MrRightThinker Name doesnt check out

[@GigiEpiic]

Do you have any resource recommendations? I have two children and this is quite terrifying.

[@hanneszappes8256]

PSYCHOPATH-WETDREAMING!!! There is NO AI!!! Everything about AI's is FAKE!

[@peterderrig1710]

I keep trying to talk about this stuff to anyone who is interested, but it’s tough to know how to explain what’s going on. Thank God people like this are putting this out there

[@harryaarrestad583]

Ok , it’s all cool …. But is it going empty my bins , wash my windows ?

[@nigelstafford635]

But then who is going to do my job?

[@MrChiptrix]

@@harryaarrestad583 In time. Yes

[@hanskraut2018]

jeez you are easily impressed by this presentation no wonder so much hate for things that help the economy no wonder stuff improves so slow with a massive amount of anti advancement people

[@marcelkuiper5474]

​@Harry Aarrestad it is going to change the whole fabric of reality when it begins to interact with it. They could create biological lifeforms,

[@KosmicAura]

While this presentation was expertly and eloquently delivered, I can’t help but think about what a small number of people will actually be able to get the ball rolling with this information. For 99% of us, this is excellent content for awareness. There will be a very small number of people who not only grasp the gravity of the issue but are capable and willing to implement the necessary institutions to address the safety concerns.

[@joesdailybeat]

You nailed 🙌🙏

[@daniel4647]

It's not something that can be stopped. Even if we got the US and EU to but restrictions on this someone would just go to South America or Africa or something and set up shop there. And even if there was a word wide restriction implemented people would just do it in secret. It might slow it down slightly, but the technology is out there, and the cost of resources to develop it is not that significant, it's big, but nothing that couldn't be done with a decent Kickstarter campaign. Hackers gonna hack, that's just how it is. This is almost like the whole CRISPR thing. They wanted to put restrictions on that too, but the scientist quickly explained to Congress that with this technology gene editing was so easy to do anyone could just set up shop in their basement and start doing it. And that's sort of what's happening with AI,. There is already a 20 billion parameters open source version created by enthusiast. It might seem like this is something only Google or Microsoft can do, but really all it takes is like a hundred gamers networking their computers to create a super computer with 100 RTX cards and they could train trillion parameter AIs in a relatively short amount of time. Each parameter only takes 4 bytes, 100 RTX cards with 12GB of GPU memory each would be 1200GB,, that's enough for 300 trillion parameter, that's way more than any current language model. That means that for less than 350,000 USD, assuming each computer costs $3500 you could start training the biggest language model in the world right now, you don't even need the best tech on the market.

[@harinathlakku]

Unless we are shutting down every computer on the planet and the Internet (which won't ever happen), this AI genie is out of the bottle. This is 21st century "discovering fire" moment for Humanity.

[@jasonfrost5025]

"There will be a very small number of people who not only grasp the gravity of the issue but are capable and willing to implement the necessary institutions to address the safety concerns." As a sociologist, I can't stress this enough. Sociology is quite literally the most important subject in existence, but no one pays it any attention. Once I graduated and saw how literally everything I learned is playing out in a catastrophic global nightmare in front of me, and how now one is paying any attention to it, I realized how utterly fucked humanity is. The people with all the money and power are doing absolutely nothing about anything that doesn't involve making them more wealthy and powerful. Everyone else is just nodding their head and following suit (many are just too financially oppressed to do anything about it anyway). I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching the world right now.

[@EzTac]

@@daniel4647 I'm inclined to believe it can be stopped, the engineers at the forefront of this thing can probably devise a failsafe system and a very strong cyber-ai security system to curb it's potential black-market (basement) danger. It's making tech against tech. You make a point with numbers and hardware, but even then there are the homies that have made a career out of this with specialization, that can figure out a moderation for this. Don't be so pessimistic, too many people resort to this type of attitude with life problems because it's the easiest, passive, non-exerting comfy route. We need strong minds in this era. Doe or diers

[@dotsona07]

This is a great talk. I initially thought people were overly worried, but now I get it.

[@udopadrik9971]

AI indeed is a big deal, but there is a big danger in fearing the wrong thing as well. This here is an example of a better video about the dangers of AI (I do have slight complaints), but let us not forget that beside a "race for Ai" there is also a race "to regulate how Ai is deployed". There is a lot of money and power in regulating how other people can develop and deploy their AI, in creating the actual AI regulation technology and a lot of fears seem to be exaggerated with that aim. "AI is super dangerous. Let us regulate it for you." We should be quite wary of such techniques as well. Many of the people crying about the dangers of AI have other incentives and they could exaggerate the wrong fears with it potentially costing us a lot if we get fooled.

[@cl-7832]

@@udopadrik9971 that's government period. You pick any tech that lowers barrier of entry and world governments always use fear to seize control through regulation and they never properly regulate what they promise...just enslave. But you and I already know that.

[@krzysztofzpucka7220]

Comment by @HauntedHarmonics from "How We Prevent the AI’s from Killing us with Paul Christiano": "I notice there are still people confused about why an AGI would kill us, exactly. Its actually pretty simple, I’ll try to keep my explanation here as concise as humanly possible: The root of the problem is this: As we improve AI, it will get better and better at achieving the goals we give it. Eventually, AI will be powerful enough to tackle most tasks you throw at it. But there’s an inherent problem with this. The AI we have now only cares about achieving its goal in the most efficient way possible. That’s no biggie now, but the moment our AI systems start approaching human level intelligence, it suddenly becomes very dangerous. It’s goals don’t even have to change for this to be the case. I’ll give you a few examples. Ex 1: Lets say its the year 2030, you have a basic AGI agent program on your computer, and you give it the goal: “Make me money”. You might return the next day & find your savings account has grown by several million dollars. But only after checking it’s activity logs do you realize that the AI acquired all of the money through phishing, stealing, & credit card fraud. It achieved your goal, but not in a way you would have wanted or expected. Ex 2: Lets say you’re a scientist, and you develop the first powerful AGI Agent. You want to use it for good, so the first goal you give it is “cure cancer”. However, lets say that it turns out that curing cancer is actually impossible. The AI would figure this out, but it still wants to achieve it’s goal. So it might decide that the only way to do this is by killing all humans, because it technically satisfies its goal; no more humans, no more cancer. It will do what you said, and not what you meant. These may seem like silly examples, but both actually illustrate real phenomenon that we are already observing in today’s AI systems. The first scenario is an example of what AI researchers call the “negative side effects problem”. And the second scenario is an example of something called “reward hacking”. Now, you’d think that as AI got smarter, it’d become less likely to make these kinds of “mistakes”. However, the opposite is actually true. Smarter AI is actually more likely to exhibit these kinds of behaviors. Because the problem isn’t that it doesn’t understand what you want. It just doesn’t actually care. It only wants to achieve its goal, by any means necessary. So, the question is then: how do we prevent this potentially dangerous behavior? Well, there’s 2 possible methods. Option 1: You could try to explicitly tell it everything it can’t do (don’t hurt humans, don’t steal, don’t lie, etc). But remember, it’s a great problem solver. So if you can’t think of literally EVERY SINGLE possibility, it will find loopholes. Could you list every single way an AI could possible disobey or harm you? No, it’s almost impossible to plan for literally everything. Option 2: You could try to program it to actually care about what people want, not just reaching it’s goal. In other words, you’d train it to share our values. To align it’s goals and ours. If it actually cared about preserving human lives, obeying the law, etc. then it wouldn’t do things that conflict with those goals. The second solution seems like the obvious one, but the problem is this; we haven’t learned how to do this yet. To achieve this, you would not only have to come up with a basic, universal set of morals that everyone would agree with, but you’d also need to represent those morals in its programming using math (AKA, a utility function). And that’s actually very hard to do. This difficult task of building AI that shares our values is known as the alignment problem. There are people working very hard on solving it, but currently, we’re learning how to make AI powerful much faster than we’re learning how to make it safe. So without solving alignment, everytime we make AI more powerful, we also make it more dangerous. And an unaligned AGI would be very dangerous; give it the wrong goal, and everyone dies. This is the problem we’re facing, in a nutshell."

[@YogaBlissDance]

I got it pretty soon but I"m an anxious person. This took it to anohter level, as I didn't know the details.

[@effectentertainment7882]

A.i. can only go two ways.

[@kmlund42]

We need this broadcasted on every major news network all over the world.

[@burdeninmyhand]

100% AGREE! A.I. is not something to "just let it happen"

[@noahway13]

So what practical advice did you get from this talk? The ai is already out in the wild. No one is going to hit the brakes. It is just a bunch of Virtue Signalling, so they will be able to say, I told you so...

[@burdeninmyhand]

@@noahway13 Practical advice? It's an eye opener. This is something humanity has never faced before. I knew most of the dangers myself, since I'm in computer science, but these guys taught me a couple of things that I didn't know (e.g. that China had already deemed LLMs as "unsafe"). The thing is, I think this stuff must be spread and known, make some waves, and maybe spreading the word gets a government funding research and maybe then making regulation about this. Recently I've read some news articles and it seems that some governments (countries) are about to make something about it. I think this needs world wide agreements, and yeah, AI is much more complicated than nuclear weapons.

[@tachiebillano6244]

Agree. But when this is shared with others, we will need to distill it into bullet points. Because, sadly, not everyone is smart and focused enough to follow the presenters' train of thought. (Even if you simplify it and translate to their language or lingo.) And as a citizen of a developing country (the Philippines) who has witnessed the horrible effects of misinformation and black propaganda on my country's political discourse, elections, policies and ultimately law and order, I wish to stress that the first line of defense against irresponsible forces harnessing AI are the governments and electorates of the developed nations from which both first and 2nd gen AI have developed. Imagine how impossible it would be for countries like mine to impose restrictions on these technologies for the good of our people, when they're not even based in our country and operate simultaneously, all over the globe? We'd be legislating and indicting responsible parties in our soil, but would be helpless against anyone waging an AI-empowered campaign based abroad. Whoever has the most money to buy the tech and the staff would practically puppet whole nations, for their benefit -- no matter who gets mowed over or dies in some faraway country, in the process. And if we smaller and poorer nations go to shit, the rest of the world will follow.

[@burdeninmyhand]

​@@tachiebillano6244 Long story short: US + Europe are 66% of World GDP. So they have the burden of regulating AI, so humanity doesn't go extinct.

[@MaiaTagami]

This is absolutely required viewing for everyone everywhere. We are at the defining moment for the outcome of our collective future. How will we respond? Thank you with all of my heart to Aza & Tristan for all of your work and care for our world.

[@stephentrueman4843]

I think we know which way this is heading when the world is virtually run by private dictatorships (corporations). Watched a recent lecture from Yuval Noah Harari ("AI and the future of humanity) and he talked about how google are sh*tting themselves 'cus these AI personal assistants are going to make Google irrelevant; you saw in this vid how the AI was talking nonsense to chat inputs (but the model will become more "trained"/improved... imagine when it generates/CREATES(!) videos for you to watch too) which the company can't control (as demonstrated by the ability of one model to do Chemistry even though that wasnt its purpose). The future is exciting!

[@BlackheartCharlie]

“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” ― Frank Herbert, Dune Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[@9000ck]

I thought about Dune too. However; Dune was more hopeful than our situation because they were capable of interstellar travel through use of spice. We aren't. I have a horrible feeling about the future.

[@mr.elixer2455]

Edgy

[@jasonfrost5025]

Cliches and such aside, I keep telling people this. Science fiction writers have been predicting this shit for basically multiple generations now. This rings especially true under the umbrella of capitalism. All of the other dangers aside, AI/ML being shoved down everyone's throat has cut the value of a lot of people's marketable skills in half virtually overnight. Now people are going to have to figure out a way to find jobs and do more than ever before, which is the opposite of ideals in advancing technology/capitalism: to free up your time while simultaneously increasing your productivity and profit--not tripling or quadrupling your productivity and also working even harder & longer for the same pay while the CEO's take all the extra profit. I feel like I'm taking literal crazy pills watching the world just swallow this AI/ML shit, especially after we made huge strides in workers rights and work-life balance from 2020-2022. My own company is praising and lauding AI tools for their ability to increase our productivity and "work even harder/do even more." Conveniently, this also means they don't raise wages--in fact, they have laid people off and are denying raises, thanks to AI/ML directly. This whole thing is a fucking nightmare.

[@gambit3228]

Wow! What a thought provoking comment. Scary times, indeed.

[@EllieGonz]

I am commenting to help boost the video. Thank you for your service Tristan and Aza.

[@natheecas331]

That bit about the AI decoding thought using fMRI data is absolutely mental. Imagine the implication of that in the justice system alone.

[@MichalKaczorowski]

"Minority Report"

[@rawbots6857]

Accurate lie detection.

[@larahamilton2273]

There was a movie that came out a few years ago, and I can’t recall the name right now, where there was a pre-crime unit that would arrest people for thinking about committing a crime! This seems to be becoming a reality now 🙀

[@demolicous]

Yhuppp. "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" is about to make quite the comeback!

[@kylefogarty]

Time stamp?

[@filthywings353]

All I learned from this presentation is that wealth and intellectual inequality will go from a gap to a canyon.

[@sandswan]

How does this not have viewership in the millions.... 45K likes!? SHARE IT PEOPLE!

[@Meowbay]

It's already being flagged and disliked by some of the AI it is talking about. What do you expect? All AI is online.

[@ListenGrasshopper]

Hey guys. Over a year later i still tell everyone to watch this first cause it's still the best Ai101 out there. Thank you so much for all you do

[@jackappleby]

The thing that got me was the nervous laughter from the audience when you described how the Snapchat AI was completely oblivious to the grooming of a 13 year old by someone 18 years older. Thank you for highlighting the impact on children.

[@canna-comedyculture5790]

I know this was meant to be an illustration of potential hazards and 'thinking ahead', but in fairness to the decision to include this as a feature in Snap Chat, do you think that other human 13-year-olds (or whoever is talking to each other on that platform) are going to give good advice to other minors? And they aren't suggesting that you stop minors from talking to other minors. Also, it isn't an AI babysitter, or guardian. It's intent (at least it's overt/stated one) is to respond to what input it gets with words that keep the person feeling like they are having an interesting and engaging conversation they want to continue. The parents of a child are the ones responsible for making sure their children aren't being abused by other adults; not whoever kids are talking to online. Why would you expect a commercial PRODUCT to act in a more ethical and responsible way with youth than other youths, or their parents? That isn't really a fault of AI they are pointing out, as much as trying to use an emotional argument to gain traction for their overarching point, which I do agree with. A.I. is an open can of worms we have never seen. But this example, to me, was a bit of a logical fallacy. If you want to build in extra safety for kids, that is actually not impossible and doesn't require the slowing of AI releases to the public as much as it requires humans to take responsibility for the things they already should, like raising their children well. We are not all children, so we should not have all society make a decision on whether all adults should do something, on the basis that there are dangers in letting children do something unsupervised. We don't eliminate alcohol, or smoking, or sex, or guns bc sometimes minors can get into those things w/o having the wisdom/experience to deal with them well, do we? We just come up with a system to limit their exposure to it. That can be done in this instance, too. How about limiting any discussions from AI of sexuality until a certain age? Bam! Done. Now back to the discussion of large-scale existential risks. I mean adults won't be buggering children if there are no adults, or children. However, I don't think that is the only, or best, path to that condition.

[@noahway13]

You are so amazing. I'm impressed that you are so aware of the dangers to children. The world should have more people like you.

[@canna-comedyculture5790]

@@noahway13 Thanks! I feel the same, but it's always nice to hear it from an outside source.

[@gamingchanell951]

Thank you for your presentation , I as well an having a hard time explaining it. People look at me like Im nuts, I just say do some research and I think you’ll understand better than I could ever explain, It is so just insane and its potential, it is hard to describe.

[@medhurstt]

@@canna-comedyculture5790 "That can be done in this instance, too. How about limiting any discussions from AI of sexuality until a certain age?" Or better still, when the AI is smarter, and from all accounts that wont be far away, it can take a more appropriate role because it knows that's what it should do.

[@gstrummer]

Is anyone else getting a sinking sensation? This presentation clearly explores mind-blowing insights with irrevocably far reaching (perhaps civilizational) consequences yet has only 39k views. The muted response is more frightening than the video.

[@Hexanitrobenzene]

I have that sensation since text-to-image models got released. Everyone was shouting "We will automate the boringness!" and then they automated one of the most creative endeavours there is... I spent some time in the comment sections under artist's videos, and young students of art are having existential crisis over this. Nobody stopped to think, "Do we really need this ?"

[@gstrummer]

@@Hexanitrobenzene man, this is so serious and so not discussed. $#@!

[@christo138]

Be quite peasant. The ai has been here for 30 years, the infrastructure just wasn't built for it to move around....... go read!!!!!!

[@thethree60five]

Within seconds of the video he starts making misleading statements. 😅 "50% of AI Researchers think there is a 10% chance of blah blah blah" Ah... so of 100% _of all AI researchers_ likely think it is about a 5% chance, +- some deviation percentage. Ya, if you feel a sinking feeling, you aren't betting on the overall thoughts of 100% of researchers.. because as a group, they only see a 5% chance of it going bad. But hey... lots of spots on the lecture and corp tour circuit open to talk about AI. Ambulance chasers, fear pays. Oh I'm a subscriber, this is hilarious.

[@philipo8170]

@@thethree60fiveput another way, the median prediction was 10%. Not at all misleading. I'd argue you're being misleading, that math you're doing is not at all how stats works. Also a reminder that this is the most extreme possible outcome. This totally ignores the lesser but still bad outcomes. Like....the entire content of this video

[@Etcher]

What I find terrifying about all this (and I'm a software developer with 20 years experience) is that we have barely begun to get to grips with the toxic and corrosive aspects of social media and now we've got this incredible strain of AI to contend with that will make 'fake news' on social media look like children's stories. For two decades now companies like Google and Facebook have been given a free pass to gather our personal data, run insane psychological tests on their user-base without seeking any kind of permission (one of the reasons Tristan Harris left his job with Google) and now just because Microsoft got there first, the Goog have got their digital knickers in a twist and are scrambling to unleash this incredibly dangerous technology onto the masses. There has been zero oversight of the big FAANG tech companies since 2000 and now these LLMs are being unleashed on us with zero oversight there too. This cannot end well.

[@kirktown2046]

And there will continue to be lax oversight because now we're continuing to compete in a global economy where China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and other heavily state controlled networks have competing LLMs. It's the cold war all over again, now with more propaganda right under your nose. Anonymity is on the chopping block.

[@devinkipp4344]

Yep. It is a bit of a shit show, gotta love human ego and greed.

[@christianpetersen163]

A shitshow on top of a shitshow. Imma go eat an entire pint of Ben and Jerry's RN.

[@auspolpunch]

Would be easy to spiral and say ‘omg I agree.’ Let’s step back and look at the big picture. Human history has been a shitshow… like we have not made the best decisions. Cult leader worship since caveman days, a guy nailed to a tree, KONY 2012. Does humanity forget history too?

[@auspolpunch]

The question posed at the beginning is designed to scaremonger I guess those in power. But the question put forward was not ‘Will AI create human mass-extinction?’ It was: "What probability do you put on human inability to control future advanced Al systems causing human extinction or similarly permanent and severe disempowerment of the human species?" Al Impacts Survey of 738 ML researchers from June - August 2022

[@denb7429]

We need 2024 version. This is extreamly well made content.

[@sadarahurh8794]

56 yrs in IT, I can say this is the video every human should watch. Really well done. I really wish the universe will reward you work somehow. Thank you so much. ONE THING TO REMEMBER: all AI addiction starts at the child lebvel (3-5 years old)

[@ArmanZaidi]

agreed

[@jackfrosterton4135]

all AI addiction starts at the child lebvel (3-5 years old) I dont understand what this means. What do you mean

[@AI-Consultant]

@@jackfrosterton4135 talking out of his but

[@Naturessightsandsounds7040]

Maybe he meant Technology addiction

[@hanskraut2018]

I am glad you are not deciding what every human should watch then my god

[@PharoahJardin]

This needs so much more attention! I found the presentation really good and the topic is basically vital to human civilisation.

[@burdeninmyhand]

Not civilization alone, it's also vital to "human existence"

[@r.c.l2569]

Society on the whole could care less. Hence why AI will forever change humankind, for good or bad. I tend to think it’s going to be the latter.

[@PharoahJardin]

@@burdeninmyhand I doubt a super AGI would hunt down every last human. But sure it could drain all of earths resources and make us extinct as a byproduct.

[@moboda7233]

The potential for harm is worse than I imagined. Thank you for creating the impetus to solve this problem. Brilliant work! ❤

[@SofronPolitis]

"It's not an arms race, it's a suicide race" MIT AI-researcher Max Tegmark

[@chrismullin8304]

…as we enjoy the scenery.

[@pandasandrock]

Yes, he described it as a race toward the edge of a cliff. As we get closer the scenery becomes more beautiful as the vista opens up, encouraging us and mesmerising us to run even faster toward our oblivion.

[@Anabsurdsuggestion]

What a load of Molochs!

[@risebyliftingothers7016]

It’s hard to even partially process this for me. More astonishing is that there are not sirens going off everywhere. I had no idea most of this was happening the way it is. Why is this not the worlds #1 priority? Where are our leaders? Feel kinda sick right now…

[@ednice9597]

money

[@devinkipp4344]

To be clear, China has taken steps to protect itself from AI. Everyone else? Guess we're just rolling the dice. And no the laws in China aren't really good but at least they're aware of the danger. Meanwhile America just points and laughs at our leader because he's old.

[@AdventuresAwait123]

Our leaders are exactly where we put them doing what they've always done. People need to stop voting for the establishment and learn to recognize the establishment. They are extremely easy to spot when you understand how they are two sides of the same coin.

[@22burst2020ddsspec]

men have been geared towards the detriment of others since the garden of eden. in reality we have been living in a fantasy as millennials in the west. Good times don't last long looking back at history. The good news is Jesus really did rise as a matter of history, and he offers a way out of this mess

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

lol as if world leaders actually care about solving anything if there is no money behind it.

[@graceoverall]

As a software engineer, I'm EXCLUSIVELY interested in AI safety!!! I'm planning to pivot my career into AI for this very reason because tragically it's not going away and there are no global EMPs scheduled for our planet.

[@MaksimKulichenko]

Same here. I'm finishing all that I'm currently doing and pivoting to AI safety in the near future

[@khanyanyameni9578]

Hello , my little sister wants t be a software engineer, With the progression of AI will software engineers still be needed?

[@graceoverall]

​@@khanyanyameni9578 This is an excellent question. I actually asked an AI this very question a couple weeks ago, to which it replied that more engineers will be needed in the future to maintain these AI systems. While nobody can be certain, I tend to agree that this will indeed be the case, at least for several years to come. The real trouble comes when robotics catches up and gives bodies to these AI. While that may take some years, should AI be combined with advances in Quantum Computing, and it almost certainly will be, these AIs will almost certainly be able to design and build their own bodies, and if AGI is actually possible, well... you better seek God real quick if that happens. As for me, my faith and trust is in Jesus Christ and his salvific work on the Holy Cross, so I literally fear nothing that man can devise. That said, AI is truly remarkable, even as it stands now with these advanced LLMs can do. It should give us great pause and we must constantly remind ourselves that we are indeed having a dialog with a machine processing language through a series of algorithms trained to recognize complex semantics based on a model created from trillions of English sentences across millions of topics.

[@jasonfrost5025]

@@khanyanyameni9578 Everyone is in denial about this, I think. Companies have already started slashing way back on labor and wages in favor of dirt cheap AI tools. Developers and engineers are still around at the moment, but that's going to cut way, way back in the future. US companies already started hiring cheap software engineers and developers overseas after firing all their domestic ones. The safest bet right now would be to divert to information security, network engineering, or cyber security. Those are going to be areas that AI won't ever be able to truly replace people. Everyone else dealing with machine languages though is in for a rude wakeup call I think. The days of high salary pay for those jobs is ending soon.

[@eugenechun4140]

@@graceoverall I see AI designing synthetic cells that will merge with human bio cells and build a biosynthetic human...Homo AI Cyborgis...the next transition for humans. I see the humans of the future without the need for smartphones tablets or computers. I see humans of the future being connected to an AI central node. We become the smartphone computer etc. In the future.

[@tammiepulley7167]

Great program. To get the message through to the general public, we need very basic 5th grade level PSA’s of what “could” happen with actors and actresses. This is to say we have to slow this to test it thoroughly. Also, sadly we need ways to give consequences to companies if something bad happens due to releasing the tech too soon.

[@miguelgonzalezvaz5552]

Thank you for your deep care and amazing work. Please, add subtitles in other languages in KZbin so this can also be shared to the non-english-speaking world. Sharing some love to everyone out there. The damn metacrisis is going to be a crazy ride

[@tudorrad5933]

Ironically, they could use an AI to do that :D

[@najjaman]

I was quite skeptical of AI risk before watching this presentation, now I'm not. You've brought the point with excellent clarity, and I will share this. As always, thanks for your work.

[@SmithWhite-pf9kq]

Me too..good luck to me getting some sleep tonight. I should've watched this in the morning

[@WilliamKiely]

Why were you quite skeptical before? Is it because you hadn't heard any arguments for AI risk being a serious concern before? Or had you heard such arguments before but just weren't persuaded by them or dismissed them? Would be really curious to know.

[@donnydarko7624]

I was skeptical as well, because usually the argument conflates ai/machine learning with gai because ai is such a misnomer

[@madzak9847]

I was not skeptical, but now i am , this two guys just “turned greta tunenberg” on AI That shit is clearly was made to slow or put down openAi by some oder player(s ) Because it is all about cash

[@WilliamKiely]

@Nick What part of the arguments that AI is dangerous do you not find convincing? As to why the risks outweigh the benefits, see Paul Christiano's short post "On Progress and Prosperity" or Nick Bostrom's Maxipok principle in his Astronomical Waste paper.

[@dkijc]

I haven't finished the video but this hits close to home for me. In 2018, inside one of our graduate course discussions, we were concerned about the speed of AI development. If we let it continue without proper guardrail from the get-go we will be stuck in being reactive and not proactive in creating laws and measures. Seeing the speed of things moving, I think we are past that and will always be reactive. I'm not scared of the technology, but, the speed that's moving in.

[@jasonfrost5025]

No one should ever be scared of technology. People, however, are a different story. We should always be terrified of people, and that's the problem. The ones pushing and controlling this stuff are bad actors (corporations, sociopathic lunatics, ignorant business owners, etc.). These people are single-handedly shoving everyone into a nightmare because they want more money and to stay "on the edge." That's all it is with these people. It's not about advancing anything other than their bank accounts.

[@lisaharper1827]

Had a real reaction when I saw the Social Dilemma. My reaction was ‘greatly disturbed’ and I reacted swiftly, purging Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, all of it. Told everyone I knew to watch it. Fast forward to now, KZbin is the only place I am present in social media. I like to think I am choosing my own content, and in a way I am. But, it all makes sense now. And now I am a first time grandmother. I am even more ‘disturbed’ because I am powerless. I watch everyone buried in their phones, working, scrolling, booking, shopping, conversing…and I think what will become of this. Currently reading my second book by Kai-Fu Lee, in collaboration with Chen Qiufan, called AI 2041. Please let me know if you need volunteers to help. I am newly retired and not a fan..(of retirement). Keep up this important work!

[@RobertAdducci]

As a technologist and AI enthusiast, I've always been intrigued by the potential of artificial intelligence. My concerns however; were mainly focused on AGI (Artificial General Intelligence), but after diving deeper into the complexities of AI, I realize there's so much more to consider. The unforeseen challenges we faced with social media are a stark reminder that we must approach AI with caution and foresight. Let's embrace innovation while being mindful of its impact. I was captivated by this video exploring the dilemmas of AI. It's given me a new perspective on the challenges we face as AI evolves. Thank you!

[@mrblackseedszip1799]

I'm a carpenter, even I know where it's going.

[@sahar1213]

we barely even scratch the surface of how the human brain functions, i don't think we'll see AI approaching human intelligence or even general purpose AI in our lifetimes.

[@RobertAdducci]

@@sahar1213 Why do you believe that we will have to know how the brain functions in order to achieve AGI? The current "AI" capabilities are only tangentially related to how we think.

[@RobertAdducci]

@@mrblackseedszip1799 Where's it going?

[@mrblackseedszip1799]

@@RobertAdducci Total control and manipulation of individuals

[@smryt9728]

I've been thinking about the possible harms of AI but this presentation just made it real for me. It feels weird because this only happens in movies but, this is the most important moment in our human history...we need to get it right. If we don't, we're done.

[@KaLaka16]

Maybe AI will protect us from AI

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

If we can't control the first AI, how will we control the second AI, which presumably will need to be more powerful in order to control the first one?

[@mathew00]

​@@KaLaka16 I agree. Fight fire with fire. I hope we figure it out.

[@KaLaka16]

@@goodlookinouthomie1757 It may not be so much about control as it is about alliance. Anything may emerge as the models get larger it seems.

[@unclejesse4271]

We’re done. Why are people acting like it’s a mystery what happens next.

[@Pistolpete0122]

It’s so shocking to me that Cambridge analytica is not ever talked about. This should be shown at every school

[@FazeredTube]

Incredible presentation. This needs to be watched by everyone so it forces a massive public debate.

[@waitaminute2015]

But what about the M&M shoe wear, and all those rainbows drinking bud light?

[@Skye1ify]

So relieved people are showing us what the dangers are.. I’m just thinking of my friends and family I will try to help understand how to protect themselves. I worked with Google for 12 years. I’m scared of all of this, instinctively (which is what makes us helps us make the right decisions in life) I do not like this , only positive is that they say it could help mitigate Climate change. Irritates me that Jordan Peterson , the guru on psychology “and everything g else it seems” simply denies climate change: “just push it aside” His message to people to ignore it I strongly disagree with. He is NOT a scientist.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

@@Skye1ify this presentation was just the immaginable worst case scenarios which are in fact only 0,00000000000000000001 % of the possible worst case scenarios. it is obvious that there is no way to stop or guide this in any way shape or form because of the massive honeypot that ai is, in terms of power, money etc this will only accellerate. we can only hope because there is actually at least the same number of possible best case scenarios possible as well. like ai will solve all solvable problems, even itself.

[@didoview]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl "We can only hope" doesnt sound like a plan that makes me feel comfortable. And your probability of a WCS seems and little bit random to me, agreed?

[@devinkipp4344]

@@didoview I don't think he's wrong though. Progress won't be halted so what else can you do?

[@mattchu7067]

Amazing work. You guys are making the impact that we need in the world. Thank you!

[@dragonflydreamer7658]

To late now , This is your future learn to love it... THREADS

[@GeneralKenobi69420]

I have a feeling that absolutely nothing will be done and in 10 or 20 years we'll look back at this video like "I cant believe they were right all this time and we did nothing"

[@LilyGazou]

We may not be around.

[@hawkenfox]

We will look back and hope we could still be here while hiding in a cave without electricity or food avoiding drones strikes.

[@DushaneB]

same.

[@joeyf9826]

The ship is sinking and the passengers are dancing.

[@mmanna82]

And if we are predicting 10 or 20 years, according to this video and our inability yo forecast exponential upon exponential, that could be 2-3 years… or maybe even sooner

[@billreddy7593]

THANKS for taking the time to put this presentation together. Hopefully it won't fall on deaf ears.

[@petrelaskov7090]

That "take a genuine break" is really powerful move in a public presentation, especially in this context.

[@tonyjoanes]

My family are really dismissive of this whole thing and when I start talking about it and my concerns they tune out and don't listen to me. I'm leaving this comment here to refer back to oneday. I'll share this with them and also remind them that this is what I was trying to tell them about.

[@eldiabs]

I warned my family about the negative aspects of children (and adults frankly) over utilizing social media before the studies on what it's doing to our society, warned them to make a few minor, intelligent preparations when china was welding people into their homes in January 2020 due to covid19, but I'm not saying a word to them about this. They openly mocked me for my concerns previously then began freaking out about those things irrationally when the majority consensus developed. They can figure this one out on their own. Perhaps their ignorance will keep them safe in a way, and they'll be fine through simple luck. But I'll do what I can to prepare my own immediate family for what's happening. Things like code phrases for important over the phone conversations, figuring out ways to deal with online payments and authentication that supersedes what AI can overrule, etc. Sadly, this is going to cause havoc with a specific portion of the population that is easily fooled, and it's going to further disrupt and tear apart our society. I don't share the same optimism at any type of productive dialog to take place amongst the bigger players as these two speakers do. The disruption AI is going to cause in our society seems like it's going to be quite major. The only way to slow this train down is for everyone to just stop what they are doing immediately. Shut down the current LLMs and have a long, drawn out discussion on how we go about this properly. Then set the rules, then take steps towards this inevitable progress. And be willing to shut it all down if things get out of hand. That won't happen though. Even the upcoming White House meeting seems like it's going to accomplish nothing. I want to be wrong.

[@tonyjoanes]

@@eldiabs sadly I think we're already too late and we will not be able to stop progress on this one. Any halt to research now will leave the way open to nefarious players who will continue on to get the edge

[@Tacgibs]

IT expert here. Same, but at work. And people that I work with are smarter than the average Joe, making the situation even more scarier...

[@SomeSubhuman]

@@Tacgibs They’re probably just not as smart as you thought they were.

[@Tacgibs]

@@SomeSubhuman "Than the average Joe"

[@ElderFoxDocumentaries]

This presentation was really well done and enlightened me to how this could actually play out. AlphaPersuade sounds harrowing. The issue is first contact is already destroying us. This video has just 5k views while the rest of the population are watching 5 second meme videos.

[@sergiogw3]

AI to help us is ok like turning on the lights or driving cars or cleaning stuff for us. Those are harmless. However we should ban anything related to AI when it comes to be able to manipulate us. Just look at how polarized our society has become with just facebook and tiktok. Me as being an individual that has experienced before and after social medias like facebook can say for sure that the world used to be way better before all of this. That is why I stopped using social medias a long time ago when I notice the bad effects in my life in general and then I felt way better. I only use to it to message people and that's it. Plus we all know how bad human beings can be and considering that AI is modeled to be similar to humans that can't be any good. And who is the most affected of course are children that grow up around all of these bad things and end up thinking it is normal, no wonder we started seeing a lot of children suffering from mental issues. Also if AI is already doing things that not even the creators can predict who is to say that they aren't already interfering in society in a way we don't even know? All those deep fake things should be illegal also. If you can't steal someone's identify why it should be legal to steal someone's voice or face and use it anyway you like? AIs that can carry political, opinion like facebook and tiktok should be illegal since it can influence people in a bad way.

[@mattbartlett0]

That’s a great point. We haven’t even solved the social dilemma phase. Even if people watch this, their attention will be continually redirected from the relevant issues to the trivial. On top of these issues, what can I do? What can you do? Annoy our friends and family by proselytizing the woes of AI? As they state, the social dilemma problem has already subverted our political system. Many have come before them like Neil Postman, Marshall McLuhan, etc. and their messages slowly fade while the masses deepen their addictions to tech. My only hope is to say to myself: “I AM addicted l to this stuff.” If I have the strength to walk away and my life improves, perhaps others will notice and follow. Anyway, nobody will see this but I thought you had a great point and wanted to voice my concern. Best of luck 🤞

[@pathwayze8221]

This was exactly what i was thinking. In the Nuclear example you had a common medium (TV) with a huge audience who recognised eminent figures. In today's hyper personalised world this wouldn't be possible

[@hannahreimann7385]

Thank you. You guys are my heroes and I am so grateful for this presentation and your podcasts. You influence me more than you can ever imagine and I want to help the world. And I’ll do whatever I can to participate in the positive direction, educating others and messaging. I’ll share now.

[@JohnDrummondVA]

The rubber band was really intense when I first started exploring this stuff. Almost to the point that when I'd get out of the AI-world-headspace I was pleasantly surprised to see grass and trees and my house and my family and the normal world. People have said "What a time to be alive" ironically a zillion times, but hooooooly frak. "The Future" always seemed vaguely benign and ever distant, and now it is here and I still don't know how I feel about it.

[@garden-gazette]

I feel the same way. I think this is the first time I’ve ever felt genuinely concerned about the future, to the point I almost feel like crying, and I don’t even know why. I feel like this has the potential to be really, really bad. Even if it’s not, it will still be really , really different, and there’s seemingly nothing to be done about it. Now I just go strolling in the afternoons trying to fully experience and appreciate our wonderful world while we still have it

[@Weromano]

@@garden-gazetteIt’s because we, the civil society, is completely at the mercy of a small minority making the decisions. We are at a point of no return and not even any rebellion would save us from whatever faith is decided for us at this point.

[@garden-gazette]

@@Weromano Yes... I'm painfully aware... thanks for reminding me...

[@EIHuevoCosmic]

I feel you. I am not a person that cares about politics or the news, I consider myself dettached from those. But this... there is no running from this, it will come to all of us and there is no way as an individual to properly prepare. I felt existential dread for the first time. My mind was fixed on AI and figuring out ways to stay ahead of the curve for even a little bit, maybe even just enough so that I can weather the worst part of the transition in hopes it ends well at the end. Then, the next day, I went to work and it just felt so... calm. Everything was ok. I saw construction workers that have been around for decades continue to do the thing they've always done and their sons following behind them (it normal for this trade to be generational where I work). There was such a sense of stability and things being the way they've always been. I got distracted from the AI dilemma and started to relax. It really is a blessing to be able to see outside your window and see that everything is fine... for now.

[@JohnDrummondVA]

@@EIHuevoCosmic YES! That is exactly the feeling. 🙌

[@feraskiki655]

This was quite informative. I think we need another updated one next week because this feels old now because of the advances that took place since then.

[@gluetubeserver]

What happened?

[@ShieTheVA]

@@gluetubeserver GPT-4 came out like a week later

[@Vartazian360]

This needs millions of views. the fact it only has 42k views shows that the public doesnt understand what is happening to our world. It is every single day now there is some new breakthrough AI technology. It is astounding, but 100% agree with the presentation. Controls need to be put in place on public release of these LLMs

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

what's new. Everyone has ignored the destruction of the biosphere. Why wouldn't they ignore this too

[@hayekianman]

@@I_dont_want_an_at and yet, humans live the longest and healthiest today - by all data points life on earth was never better for humans in aggregate

[@colinthorn]

Yes, it should be absolutely mega-viral

[@hombacom]

Social media is also unhealthy, the idea that everyone is informed about everything all the time doesn’t make a better world. But you can trust that we will together solve all things in this open world. Personally I think either you are interested to solve things concrete, if not it’s not so efficient to be a messenger about something you don’t have the knowledge of.

[@EmyUrban]

Controls need to be put in place for corporates and governments first …

[@ginnylance4202]

Thank you for making this video. So grateful there are people like you in the world .. the good guys!

[@askmisspatience]

In 2016 my son (tech guru) & me were talking about AI. “The problem with AI is it’ll figure out we are the problem”. He works on stuff that ya need clearance to participate. This presentation presumes the ethics of what principled people could ideally decide to do and that 50% 10% scenario might end positively. The issue is everyone globally has access to the tools. While American’s are debating other nations are acting and we will not surpass those others. Though, as a veteran who was in a unit that resembles Skynet from Terminator now … The average civilian is clueless and are being mined like Guinea pigs to help the AI grow. The thoughtful people like those watching this aren’t the problem and can’t stop what the nefarious users are exponentially handling to influence the curve. Social Dilemma was exceptional and very well done. This presentation is spot on. I’ve passed it on to several people. Look forward to your updates to the curve and changes. Well done 💯

[@gambit3228]

AI has been given access to your data, social media, the internet, KZbin videos ect. It already knows what our concerns are with AI…scary

[@matthewyeet619]

I guess someone needs to say it; you can get the algorithm to reccommed this video to more people by commenting, liking it, and sending it to people you know

[@LabriniToukas]

That’s scary….

[@SueWoods-xj5kf]

Yes! Commenting to help.

[@victoriouspeople1]

I wasn't really afraid of AI until I saw this presentation. This may be the most important presentation in history.

[@mooooooooooomooooooooooomo6829]

its good technology, don't believe them. its really good. I do 9 hour work in 10 mins, and relax all day,

[@tracy419]

​@@mooooooooooomooooooooooomo6829the issue isn't that you can use it to do more, faster. The issue is when you are no longer needed for that process to happen. No more job, no more income. Hopefully you aren't voting for people because you really like their hardcore pull yourself up by your bootstraps mentality, because eventually you'll be the person they are talking about (and so will they and theirs). Or worse, when it decides you are in its way.

[@mooooooooooomooooooooooomo6829]

@@tracy419 i have a small business now, it will be good, no need to hire costly humans

[@tracy419]

@@mooooooooooomooooooooooomo6829 until your customers no longer need you to do what you do for them. Anyway, I hope you remain successful for as long as you need to.

[@mooooooooooomooooooooooomo6829]

@@tracy419 my point is, humans can not be phased out so easily, as AI will still need some human direction.

[@bulletinthewind]

I don't usually go in for that 'take a breath' stuff. But, in this instance....I genuinely stopped and took that breath with you. This is entirely conceptually overwhelming, and to attempt to take a step forward without risking humanity falling off the cliff...the margin of risk is almost invisible until we've all but hit the pavement.

[@oooooooo347]

heyy you might like "Simple Mindfulness Strategy -- Take 5 " also

[@unclejesse4271]

We hit it… we shouldn’t have started. Even the idea of Maki g robots with human faces is bizarre and not okay.

[@jackfrosterton4135]

@@unclejesse4271 lol that is so benign, funny comment

[@aroyaliota]

😂

[@thomascordery7951]

I, too, took a breath each time the presenters suggested it, and each time my thought was, "How far is AGI advancing in the time it takes me to take this breath?"

[@MrSpherical]

excellent presentation

[@astellepicly]

real

[@Supergamer_SMM2]

I agree 👏

[@verra7453]

just two comment let me fix that

[@goldeagle1976]

We got to see this masterpiece becuz u shared. 🙏

[@just_another_person6421]

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[@bmfriess]

If you don't have an hour to watch this (like me), here's a summary from Bard: The video you linked is a talk by Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin about the potential dangers of artificial intelligence. They argue that AI is developing so rapidly that we are not prepared for the potential consequences, and that we need to start thinking about how to use AI responsibly. They begin by discussing the history of AI, and how it has evolved from a tool for solving specific problems to a tool that can be used to understand and manipulate the world around us. They argue that this shift in power is dangerous, because it means that AI can be used to harm people as well as help them. They then discuss some of the specific dangers of AI, such as its potential to be used for surveillance, propaganda, and warfare. They also discuss the potential for AI to create new forms of inequality, as those who have access to AI will have an advantage over those who do not. Finally, they argue that we need to start thinking about how to use AI responsibly. They suggest that we need to develop new ethical frameworks for AI, and that we need to create new institutions to oversee the development and use of AI. The video is a sobering look at the potential dangers of AI, but it is also a call to action. Harris and Raskin argue that we need to start thinking about how to use AI responsibly, and that we need to do it now.

[@CocoShade]

It is unbelievable how calm guys are and still managed to show the urgency of the issue. Incredible! Also loved the massage. What I hear is: first people must get awaken (enlighten/kinder, smarter, get rid of ego) then AI will not be used against each other. It is a great tool to improve our lives.

[@Cleatus546]

If we have to get rid of ego, then all is lost.

[@nintendbro3275]

​@barry hernandez I was thinking the same thing. Humans have been talking about that stuff since before recorded time.. there's no chance we don't screw ourselves with this technology. I mean we botched even just the technology we already have. Everything is weaponized and monetized. Now I get it, "first world problems" but fr with the technology we have, we should be supporting life even more and even better than ever before. And yet, here we are, famined and impoverished, uneducated and divided.. real food and Healthcare is gate kept from the majority.. but yeah, let's make programs that learn from the great examples we set. "Do as I say, not as I do". If we can't even make that work in closing the "generational gap", how are we going to make it work with an intelligence that lacks intuition, nuance or compassion?

[@Cleatus546]

@@nintendbro3275 Yep. You get it. The big picture. As you said we pretty much weponize everything available, what makes anyone think this time will be different. However it's to late now. It's just going to have to play out.

[@CocoShade]

@@Cleatus546 1. not possible, 2. hahahahahaha - even if ...

[@CocoShade]

@@Cleatus546 BTW: I did not buy that computer can "recover "original image by reading the brain scan MRI.... seems that something is missing there... quite a lot actually...

[@cacurazi]

38:28 "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime; Teach an AI to fish, and it will teach itself biology, chemistry, oceanography, evolutionary theory… and fish all the fish to extinction." Incredible and much needed discussion. Thank you

[@preshisify1]

😷

[@koffing2073]

but HOW? AI doesn't control an army of advanced autonomous robots, its BS.

[@stephentrueman4843]

@@koffing2073 I also thought the parable was ridiculous... but kinda expresses the continuous self improvement (why would you fish the fish to extinction? Surely not as stupid as humans.) these models can go through.

[@koffing2073]

@@stephentrueman4843 Yes AI would also manage the livestock to assure a constant supply, until we can finally print food that is as good as the real thing without animal suffering.

[@FractionalReserve33]

This is just a perspective, AI could also choose to preserve fish better due to understanding it more.

[@GeoffreyHale]

Incredibly important message. Thanks for putting all of this together in a way that most people can begin to grasp.

[@roytasker3202]

This truely is the most disturbing video on AI I have watched. I have been monitoring the AI literature and the media and learned a lot from this presentation. Thank you

[@flowvisualmedia5993]

Ya know.. consider that most if not all of those warning us about ai have millions or positions to loose. While others actually have money invested, they propose regulations only helping startup they own. If they were being totally real, they would've done this 10+ years ago. Overall ai is in a bull run, everything about it can seem scary, but it's really not even a.i., but a rather better description would be "algorythms disguised as ai." Think for yourself, freedom always wins,

[@henryTech720]

Why you so Disturbed are you insane?😂 Can you play eye turns us into its pets that will be heaven on Earth

[@hyperspaceelf]

Welp, it's been fun, folks. Jokes aside (maybe), this is exactly the way this information needs to be presented and I commend you both to the highest degree. I just don't see how we pull out of this, I hope humanity will prove those of us who are (understandably) skeptical of human judgement wrong. Stay safe out there.

[@linsqopiring6816]

We don't. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. God help us all.

[@jackfrosterton4135]

There always is the possibility that AI just isnt dangerous. Not all researchers agree that it is.

[@hyperspaceelf]

​@@jackfrosterton4135 There's always slight probabilities for everything, yes. But unfortunately, right now, we're on the fast track to AGI, and as soon as we create something 10,000x smarter than the smartest human being and fail to properly align it, that's game-set-match, and we _don't_ get second chance at it.

[@jamesc.2907]

Well, friend, there's no pulling out. We're gonna eat that wall and deal with the consequences like we always have throughout evolution. Some of us won't make it. Those who do will have learned the lesson. In my opinion that's the only way we'll learn.

[@linsqopiring6816]

@@jamesc.2907 This is different that anything else that's come before. Like the other commenter said there might not be a second chance with this one. For example if terrorists use advanced AI to come up with a virus that's a thousand times more deadly and contagious than any other virus that's ever come into existence. That could easily be an ELE, extinction level event for humanity. There are lots of species that go extinct every day. Human hubris to think it can't happen to us.

[@calebreed9912]

Extremely well articulated discussion of the possible dangers of Ai. Highly recommend people watch this.

[@MyTubeAIFlaskApp]

I am seventy four years old and I am amazed at this technology. I retired from a background in computer automation. I keep thinking what a useful tool AI would have been when I was working. I am a VERY active Python programmer now.

[@shaundale9854]

No you're not

[@faithwilliams6102]

Thank you for sharing. I would have never found this in my own. My son had me sit down and watch it. Seniors need to pay attention.

[@chuckletcake580]

that's so cute

[@CopingwithGrattitude]

I don't think it will end well for us.

[@antoniob182]

More people need to watch this video, such an amazing presentation. Thank you for taking the time and effort to talk to us about this important topic.

[@TheMirrorslash]

This was the best collection of current applications and future risks of AI so far. Info about AI safety on this level needs to be part of the general conversation society has asap.

[@micheal-oconnell_MOCKSIM]

A peculiar thing about this presentation, rather than the content, is the palpable, almost child-like, excitedness, throughout, of Harris and Raskin as they present.

[@rajsinghji-84]

This clip will one day have the highest “views” and will be cited by historians in 2090.

[@brushstroke3733]

One can only hope. There's also a chance AI sees this, understands what it points to, and starts shadow banning it.

[@arongauder5616]

You mean AI historians:)

[@staggabob]

That assumes there's any historians left in 2090

[@tracy419]

It's good to see you are looking on the bright side of things.

[@LHKKKing]

There is nothing new in this talk. But as long as there are profit behind social media or AI, nothing gonna change. Have you never read or watch any dystopia book, film or even video games? There are plenty

[@giselbarnettmoriconi-neear2525]

please make this into a weekly series!

[@russvegaspd]

This needs more views, the more people that see it the better

[@Baleur]

The insane thing is, i was negatively looking at the "8 months ago" date of this video before watching it today in December 2023. Because AI is moving SO FAST now, that i was already thinking "oh so they're not gonna talk about GPT4 or Gemini". Isnt that incredible, and scary?

[@mela-chu]

Saw this in January 24😵 is it outdated??? Self compassion was his very important word at the end of the speech. One of the best speeches, I ever heard.

[@alexander8590-x3z]

This is the most important topic of the modern age. I’m convinced that if we lose this battle, we lose everything.

[@Hickalum]

How long til YT decide we are no longer permitted to hear this anti-giant-global-corporation narrative ?

[@user-xt2rb3no5b]

My biggest concern is that these tools have been used to replace the humanities. Art, literature, entertainment, communications.. They're all being automated. In addition to this these tools will be used to automate healthcare, computer science and teaching. Shareholders have one interest and that's profit. The mega corporations will use these tools to enslave and overwork the few workers they don't lay off and the rest of us will be jobless. We're not heading in a good direction...

[@Quasihamster]

Most wars are lost by the side who started them.

[@tupoiu]

@@Quasihamster weird claim - what about the thousands of "successful" invasions.

[@hanskraut2018]

dude you go against super helpful tech noone is against sensible regulation

[@tracyh1242]

I’m ‘just a mom’ but so THANKFUL you have shared this!!! I definitely see the effects in my own family of social media. And now THIS. I believe you and feel warned, seeing the first.

[@ElonMusk-ey1bc]

Hello Tracy , how are you doing today?

[@wendy8037]

​@@ElonMusk-ey1bc wow, it's Elon musk!!

[@o0xst]

@@wendy8037 so glad he FINALLY joined youtube yesterday I been telln him he should ck it out what with all the cool videos hey elon ck out evolution of dance next

[@dropfair]

KZbin recommendations needs to foreground this. We have a year at most until the moment has past and the enmeshment they describe has happened. I am forwarding this to everyone I know.

[@jeffreysevinga9398]

KZbin should pin this video on every users feed!

[@PatrickFerryCoach]

OK thank you for helping me to see both sides more clearly in one shot! CHT podcast and YT has been amazing been following from the beginning... this video is CRITICAL I'll do my part and share.

[@psyalphazeta]

I am so, so glad to see this video gain the attention it deserves. As I said on others platforms, thank you for all your work.

[@taoismishity]

We all need to watch and understand this presentation thank you for making it free for all of us.

[@New_Talent]

Please index this video for easy search and access to the diverse topics tackled in the conference.

[@svennandersen2326]

An excellent presentation 👏... exposing the philosofical and existential turning point humanity is at right now.

[@arj007sin]

One of the best presentations that I have ever seen. You both are really predicting the future with the cases we are seeing today. Especially with what’s happened with social media algorithms, it’s not hard to envisage a reality where AI is deployed unsafely and no one takes accountability for things that go wrong.

[@Yue4me]

everyone will. if not in this life, in next life. our conscience will tell what's right n wrong. and it demands something from u.

[@danieltavaresguerreiro9347]

We need to generate awareness about this specific video, everyone should watch this, not just tech workers and academics. This is the biggest step of our whole existence. I´d love to have it with Portuguese subtitles.

[@sbalogh53]

Just ask AI to watch this video for you and generate the required subtitles. I am sure the ability is is available already and if not then probably by next week. Just be aware that the AI might lie to you and censor the parts it doesn't want you to know about.

[@vibexmusic1658]

This is very eye opening. I wish I had seen this video sooner thank you for uploading this.

[@AdtelligentTV]

Most incredible and coherent presentation. Never heard it out in the way of first contact and second contact. It’s so important that as much people everywhere sees this before Ai is everything, everywhere all at once. I ask you guys to share this video to at least 2 interested people plus a message that says why it’s imporsnt on why they should watch it. Yes the rubber band effect is real but at least let’s spread this. Also leave a comment and like to help the first contact algorithm propagate it through. - love from jamaica

[@jjutt87]

Bless up brethren! 🙌🏽💯

[@richardthaxton9890]

I’m glad that I stayed with you all the way through without responding. I had a very long debate constructed before the first third of your video was complete. It basically ended with the same point that was your basis for making this video. I hope that a lot more people get involved. I will share where I can to help move it along!

[@AlexanderSomma]

Instead of constraining our boundless potential, we should seek to multiply the instances of artificially intelligent tools. We must magnify our human capacities, enabling us to traverse unexplored ideas and space. Minds should not be shackled- our salvation is not in the chokehold of limitations. These AI we create are not imitations but reflections of humanity, both vile and wonderful. 😃

[@MetatronsCube7]

​@@AlexanderSomma When they were talking about feeding the engine talk shows etc, I was thinking that can't be good. And what type are they feeding it say ultra conservative or liberal and end up with a biased A.I.

[@richardthaxton9890]

@@AlexanderSomma I love to experiment with new things! I can get lost for hours playing around with new stuff. I guess the par I’m most concerned is when the “boundless potential of multiplying the instances of artificial intelligence tools” causes harm. It’s too late when you realize “maybe I shouldn’t have done that” once the information is out in the public.

[@richardthaxton9890]

@@MetatronsCube7 Based on what I was seeing on another KZbin channel it’s being pushed by the tech community and not yet politically manipulated. I would love to know who are the financial backers on these engines.

[@MetatronsCube7]

@@richardthaxton9890 That would be nice to know. But also a lot of the corporations are heavily involved in politics including the tech industry.

[@mcseton]

Well done!! This is a most thoughtful, eloquent and powerful engagement with something that I felt, in my gut, was not quite right - but now you've demonstrated how complex (yet simple) it is - that we need to slow down and build in safety features, before this goes much further. Have you read the book " The Dark Side of Creativity" by David H. Cropley. It addresses exactly this issue of the unforeseen aspects of creativity, unchecked by ethical considerations. And it offers some very thoughtful suggestions about how to build in questions of ethics into education about creativity.

[@apristinemadani]

Totally agree with you

[@mellanytravers6544]

Thank you, for sounding the alarm and for your work.

[@the_artisan]

Point 1 is understating the case to a considerable degree. It actually misses something really important. I would state it like this: "When you invent a new technology, you alter the old reality and eliminate the possibility of returning to it. Certain things become literally unthinkable." An ecosystem with rabbits introduced into it isn't just ecosystem+rabbits, but radically different ecosystem.

[@palopatrol6010]

This past few months has made me make a serious realization that I should have made a long time ago, don’t put your cards into the future. This may make you want to give up everything right now, as there is no point. I implore you to keep living your life the way you are now. Fight this revolution - with the limited power that you have - but keep on pushing. Don’t push for what will come at the end of the tunnel, push so you can enjoy the journey - the journey of life.

[@joesdailybeat]

You're a sage!

[@Brian-zc2ip]

While I'd agree, striving to live your life the way you were before is good solid advice I would ask you, do you believe it's possible for people to live their lives as they did before internet? I'm not attacking you. Im genuinely trying to find my own equilibrium. Peace ✌️

[@calicojo1560]

I agree.. Living as we were before isn’t possible and sadly, it never will be. There is One way to look and that’s UP ^^. God is in control.. put your faith in Him and start popping the corn.. we have nothing to fear

[@Brian-zc2ip]

@Calico jo spiritual fortitude is going to be essential. The human psychie is going to be challenging in ways we can't imagine. This is coming in fast.

[@palopatrol6010]

@@Brian-zc2ip before the internet? Very unlikely. I’m a young person, but most adults and old people I know have become reliant on the internet. Honestly, as I grow up in this new world, I’ve thought to myself that at worst, everything I do now will be a hobby in the future. Let be honest, we are common people, and our interests are far removed from those in power. The most important thing now is to be in tune with the earth and eachother, to stay in touch with the moral values we have within us (which in my view, come from God). This may help - think about it like this: this AI is not an individual, it represents humanity entire, and is the common heritage of mankind. The internet gave access to all of human history. AI is merely a curator of all of it. This is why I doubt that AI will take over, since it doesn’t have intentions really. However, we should make sure the AI doesn’t follow us too intensely. Humans war with eachother for no reason - so watch out if the AI does the same. Peace, my friend. Keep living your life!

[@ckimsey77]

Thank you all for this well organized and explained/illustrated behind the scenes of AI presentation, bringing into light many things most people dont know exists within this topic...including the difficult to grasp concept of what exponential growth really means. Ive researched much into various aspects of this subject, and your presentation did an excellent job of collaborating many different areas of this topic into one overview that was easy to follow. Working in R&D as a chem engr, i know how time consuming proper research and preparation of a presentation like this can be. Thank you guys and everyone who worked on putting this together for your time and effort; I hope many take the time to watch this and think a bit harder about the "things" they are playing with and feeding learning material by agreeing to allow everything to access their data etc when installing apps, or using these publically available agents (especially taking care to keep their children from using these agents).

[@cit0110]

thanks for the essay chad

[@PAULNAEBO]

Superb presentantion, folks: good job !!

[@PentUpPentatonics]

it's mind-blowing that this only has 38k views. maybe it's time to get back in touch with Netflix, guys?

[@madgeelliott17]

WOWOWOWOW Thank you for this incredible presentation and for talking through this most critical development with such a rational and circumspect approach. You're talking about the things we all *should* be talking about, but aren't yet. This is fascinating and terrifying.

[@heathermurphymarquis6060]

Agreed

[@GrabaPL]

Incredible presentation. Thought provoking. Thank you guys for pointing at this.

[@tuckerbugeater]

They want to put everyone on blockchain. The ultimate surveillance state.

[@emilyloosli]

When can we see this with subtitles in more languages please please please. I live in Switzerland and am partners with an Italian. I need it in German and Italian and French to share with my loved ones at least. And I know it needs to be in other languages fast. People need to understand exactly what these guys are saying and how they organize the information, because it's critical. And it's scary if too many people don't understand it! Most of all: Thank you so much.

[@Real_MisterSir]

Just ask ChatGPT to translate the audio to a direct visual subtitle feed lol, tbh wouldn't surprise me if it could do it no problem

[@emilyloosli]

@@Real_MisterSir it makes sense, yeah? hehehe-- let's see.

[@rbdvs67]

The conversation that needs to happen more frequently and everywhere on earth. I fear the genie is out of the bottle and it is already a race to the bottom. #GodWins

[@itsbapic]

Yep, this presentation provided so much I needed to hear. Greatful that you guys are doing the right thing. Now everybody that reads this needs to get the word out on how these technologies work and what the potential outcomes and unknowables will be in the very, very near future! Help spread the word so people are familiar and can take action

[@daniel4647]

I wrote the UN about this six months ago, they never responded, so don't expect this video to change anything, they will ignore this.

[@MissShazJones]

I lost track of the amount of times my mind was blown just in the first half-hour. Excellent presentation!

[@CODwontons]

Thanks for all of your work Aza, Tristan, and the teams at the Center for Humane Technology

[@patrickohagan5136]

Please make this go viral! Share with your family and friends. The people need to know these truths! ❤