The Absolute Beginner's Guide to Victoria 3 Economics - Belgium GIGACHAD Tutorial

[@ellisten4696]

important to note that, on top of them just having a really low wage, peasants also only buy 5% of their actual needs, so even if you make goods unbelievably cheap it won't make them buy that much more

[@evostage666]

Thank you for explaining how to fight a chicken sized horse

[@matterhon-ua]

This is the information we never knew we needed I do hope we never will though

[@Emperor045]

So... basically a ostrich?

[@johnk.327]

This is a very good tutorial and explanation of the games mechanics. Thank you, this was exactly what I was looking for.

[@gregmackay5821]

I love the vic3 content! And the fact you edited the content is nice for those of us who can’t fast forward thru 9 hours etc

[@AgaresOaks]

12:21 FYI what's happening is exactly what the tooltip is saying. Those laborers ARE coming from other jobs. A peasant never goes to unemployed first (at least, I've never SEEN a peasant go to unemployed from the farms). What's happening is those other jobs are at the same time pulling in more workers from other places (which will eventually pull from the peasantry). Super productive buildings generally have a higher wage than less productive ones so the usual pattern is you (or the investment pool) builds a super-productive building that pulls from some other lower wage factory that pulls probably from your non-subsistence farms which pull from the peasants. 54:07 Pollution would be a potential reason. If you can't get public health care early the punishment can get harsh after a while. That said, it does take quite a while to get to that point. Also, the real reason you try to transfer wealth away from the upper classes is that they tend to spend it on the wrong stuff. Transport is just impossible to produce effectively most of the game, services are not an efficient job aside from being free to construct, and almost all the luxury goods can't be produced without producing a bunch of other mundane goods they won't consume. If spending were equal it wouldn't matter whether the upper class or the lower class were spending it. (there's also other effects like giving you way more loyalists that give a bunch of small bonuses that make the economy run better)

[@wokealarm6203]

26:20 Great answer for such a hard question

[@StrangeTamer178]

Fr. The comedy in approaching it like an actual relevant Vic 3 question

[@Natpad_027]

I saw the stream and I must say it has been really helpful.

[@derphunk5338]

I like how you bothered to do the voice overlay for the chicken bit lmao.

[@NeoNinja340]

Bro, you are a lifesaver. Thank you so much for making this!

[@theblahj]

bro is making a video on a fake country

[@freidfood3171]

The freidfood party agrees with this

[@Xeno7001]

It amazes me how paradox sdvertises their games as historical and realistic yet still keep those fake countries

[@NB-yu4lj]

You DAMN RIGHT🧐

[@qhu3878]

​@@Xeno7001 ikr, like what the hell is a denmark

[@davigamesp53]

​@@qhu3878yeah fr, next they're gonna be saying stupid stuff like "the finno-korean hyperwar never happened, you're just schizhophrenic"

[@TankerQ_]

thank you man, this is such a helpful tutorial

[@presidentialsystemenjoyer]

57:17 did i see Ottomans casualy invading London?

[@FairyRat]

Great stuff as usual! I'd love to see how you handle Qing in 1.7 and how to go about achieving recognition in a reasonable amount of time.

[@ericposey-vt5ej]

Good job with this tutorial.

[@bim3338]

This is a better description of the real economy, than most people have.

[@galdorofnihelm6798]

I would love to see you play something like Norway, as I really struggle to make them work because of being a subject and very limited resources

[@neutralgoodhuman9255]

Hey Tarkus, you were telling 48:02 that convoy deficit doesn't affect armies, and as far as I can tell it's not quite true. When you select an individual army, there is a tooltip called 'supply' or something like that, and if you hover over it, it says that inefficient supply capacity affects army morale recovery

[@cmLMolde]

Yeah it destroyed my army that invaded England. Supply apparently is needed to keep them combat efficient, who knew.

[@Tarkusarkusar]

From my experience, that tooltip simply lies. Your army will still recover morale even without any support, but to be fair, I haven't like, sat down and tested it. I just know that I've used undersupplied armies to win battles overseas before

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Excellent tutorial! I gotta say I really hope they develop the diplomatic and military game further. Being able to manipulate glitches and grow a country like Belgium that quickly with a handful of clicks is not satisfying gameplay in my opinion. In Vic2, it was very difficult to take core European states without causing endless war and tanking your economy, which made for a satisfying challenge and overall more diplomatic realism.

[@yeeyee5057]

At some point i realise that the only vic 3 player that's watchable are you, generalist gaming, and economist plays

[@Wormopera]

And the worst one by far is ludi

[@genew3452]

This is because Tarkus, General and Economist actually take time to explain what they are doing in detail, whereas most V3 content creators skim over what they are actually doing and just summarize the highlights to show their "achievements" for an entire run in a 20-minute or less video.

[@jakobfruergaard-roed4532]

Carpathian knight is goated too

[@yeeyee5057]

​@@genew3452 not just that, it's just a fact that nearly all of vic3 KZbinrs are clickbaiting cockroaches that are 'durrr green number go up!!!1!!' or 'hurrr durr waaaghhh!1!!1!!!!1!' or 'me exploit game mechanics me smart smart'

[@QuisUtDeus828]

​@@yeeyee5057 pdx youtubers in general

[@tomkmb4120]

This video was so useful bro, thank you. On the subsidizing of buildings - when they're struggling to employ and you subsidize...do you need to keep track of when they've 'turned it around' so you can turn off the subsidy, or does the game do that manually once they've reached a certain level of productivity again?

[@coltodude5778]

They stay subsidized until you turn it off again

[@josejaimes-ramos1546]

I feel a few national industries is fine for nations with a huge deficit of taxation capacity. In places like china you get almost no taxes from industries until you resolve that.

[@hilr01]

Some good explanation, thank you.

[@cuff1626]

Thank you for this video! Recently got back into victoria 3 after the DLC and to my surprise been enjoying it but been sucking at the economy aspect Edit: after watching video i decided to play russia. Had a bit trouble with bringing down the landowners and just decided a civil war was worth it in the long run. And for first time i got number 1 GBP and power rank!

[@reverendnon5959]

How did you win civil war, i tried, but Landowners have so much power, shich means milirary too

[@jumpingeagle568]

Thank you so much for the video, although I'm not a complete rookie, I still managed to learn a lot. Yet there are some confusions that were not covered in the video, would be great if you could answer them. 1. When my country is not laissez faire yet, do I always prefer to privatized factories for the sake of higher throughput? 2. In the late game, should I prioritize on building more construct dept or lower taxes? Esp. when I turn laissez faire with very low interest rate, it's very hard to decide when to build more construct dept. 3. When I balance all commodity prices in the market, what to build next? Is it the factory with highest average revenue?

[@wonkyslipshod1925]

for 2: the major inflection point is that you should start lowering taxes when you start running out of Peasants, and you do this so that your standard of living goes up and you can get more migration and so that you put more money into your consumer economy (services, clothes etc will rise in price which stimulates your economy)

[@wonkyslipshod1925]

for 1: you always would prefer your own capitalists to own your building shares, the case where you want to have your country own buildings is when you have an overlord like finland or South africa starts. you would rather get some money from not privatizing your buildings if another country would buy up those industries (the AI stores tons of investment pool money). which is the one case where interventionism is better than laissez fair.

[@jumpingeagle568]

@@wonkyslipshod1925Thank you pal, that helps a lot!

[@Beachdudeca]

The idea is if possible , have the bulk of your farms / resource gathering in colonies / unincorporated states and funnel the raw materials back to your 2 States.

[@veovis523]

Bro, I think they were referring to actual live chickens, not the processed bits that we eat.

[@Tarkusarkusar]

oh, really? DAMN now the entire discussion has gained an immense amount of nuance (I was intentionally misinterpreting the question to be funny lol)

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Pretty sure chicken nuggets are mostly made of corn and meat glue

[@robanson32]

17:06 “They (capitalists) that we needed wood because we were building a tooling workshop so they preemptively started building a lumber camp” Do you have a source ? I’ve never seen any dev commentary or documentation that suggested they take into account queued building demand into build/purchase decisions. Ie you have 10 tools queued up so I should build some wood. I only know of them building off predicted earnings.

[@erdemsekerpare]

The intro made me sub, no matter the content it is. :D ---- yeah paragon is horrible on making tutorials on their games. ----

[@dwikurniawan9041]

Can u form Indonesia earlier than historical as Dutch East Indies? This month is our anniversary of independence😂😂 hope u willing to do

[@cheeki3998]

hey i have a question that maybe you'll see and hopefully answer : first, lemme preface by saying i literally have 1,000.1 hours on V3 (i just checked my steam) and this still confuses me, and also this is the first and only Victoria game that i've played, but ive played almost every other PDX game, especially CK3 (with double the playtime) and Stellaris and HOI4. so, my question is pertaining to the investment pools. im writing this comment now while the game is in late october 2024, and the game is in version 1.7 i think... - firstly, the way i understand investment pools (and moreover, economic systems in general) is that, generally, you want to build buildings that produce goods that are parallel, so to speak, with your economic system. food buildings with agrarianism, industrial buildings with interventionism and lasseiz fair. firstly, please confirm or deny if that is accurate and maybe add some further thoughts if you have any on this topic. - secondly, im confused on what exactly the investment pool is and especially ISN'T used for. i know it's used for private construction and also for purchasing buildings listed for privatization (unless you have that game option turned off, which i dont), but i thought it also was supposed to compensate you when you built buildings that are parallel to your economic system... yet i never notice my budget being compensated when i build those parallel buildings. am i just buggin? or am i understanding incorrectly? or overthinking it entirely? thank you (to anybody who can answer this) for your time in reading this and i hope it makes sense enough :^D

[@MagaldiMateus]

They were clearly talking about chicken the animal. And as such you should consider horses the size of the animal. No matter how small you can make it when turning it into food.

[@sasi5841]

I got started with eu4 as trebizond, and didn't play any other tag until i managed to get the komnenoi empire achievement. Then i played byz until forming rome. Now in vicky3 i did several campaigns as greece to eventually do WC as BYZ. I dont plan on playing any other tags until i acheive that. Haven't been successful yet though because my computer slows down heavily 40 years into the game. I highly recommend greece for beginner players. Especially with the balkans flavor mod

[@Pokeeko]

I did a recent Byz run this patch, it was pretty damn succesful but a WC will be really hard haha, if is worth anything i had like 300m gdp on 1880 I think?

[@sasi5841]

@@Pokeeko impressive gdp

[@Pokeeko]

@@sasi5841 had a lucky unification and a couple bankrolls that shot me to the roof, making a power block sooner than later and getting the migration thing was what helped me mostly as all the byz zone lacks good amount of pops

[@sasi5841]

@Pokeeko my go to strat is to set interest on arabia and subjugate oman (which has territorie sin north india and persia. Then annex sistan/bampur and baluchistan. Since I now border Punjab and sindh, I use help from a GP ally to annex Punjab and kashmir, then annex sindh on my own. I do all of this before fighting the ottomans. As for techs, I rush the military tech tree using the yoyo research method to get enlistment offices and the get mass conscription law (I almost get national guard on the side). Now with just the 3 starting states plus the 4 annexed states, I could inflate my conscription number to 300 or more units, this make the AI think I have bigger army then russia. Also since I rushed mil tech I end up with one of the best army quality. With my inflated conscript number I can used yoyo sways to subjugate much larger countries for pretty much no infamy, or threaten GPs like US, UK, France, or Austria. As for Russia/prussia, I prefer to ally them and join the Russian power block.

[@sasi5841]

@Pokeeko the highest I have achieved was 70M GDP with 30M pop by 1852 on my most recent run. Granted I use heavily moded files (including doubled max innovation, double construction from construction sector, more max weekly construction progress, liberate countries as subjects, great revion mod, better politics/economics, etc.)

[@RagnellAvalon]

26:20 you know chickens are animals that chicken nuggets and strips are derived from as produce, right? Like. They're called 'chicken nuggets' because they're nuggets of chicken meat. And your answer really implied that you were thinking of 'chicken nugget/strip-sized horses' since you never refer to a live chicken, just the product. ... right? The VO was for a bit, right?

[@MissFeatherstone]

Liked and subbed for the chicken-horse analysis

[@Chrissnessable]

I’d love to see a Russia guide like you did with Japan, no cheese, etc.

[@Drakrath]

Idk if this is addressed, but why do I struggle to gain manpower in my armies? Even when I play a large population nation I struggle, is it due to the job not being lucrative enough and I need to have high/very high wages? Or is there a way to train faster other than trying to get new training methods/the state decree (which doesn't really help me fast enough in my opinion)?

[@Tarkusarkusar]

Generally speaking, if you're having hiring issues for the army, it'll mostly come down to losing more men than you can recruit in a week. You can increase how many get hired by increasing the "training rate" number, which I believe is only increased by the decree. You may also have trouble recruiting if you're putting your barracks in places with lots of discriminated pops. Officers can only be created out of non-discriminated pops. If your problem is that too many people are dying, try increasing your recovery rate using the mobilization options that consume opium for first aid, I forget their names. If your problem is not enough hiring, you might have too much discrimination wherever you put your barracks or conscripts. I'll do a video about the military systems of the game sometime in the future, can't promise when though, since I have some other projects on my plate rn.

[@Iawait]

Could you make a guide on all things that are about debt in victoria 3 i see that it is a very underutilized aspect. And if you did make a guide on debt could you try to make lore accurate america playthrough (insane amount of debt that somehow keeps getting bigger.)

[@Tarkusarkusar]

I'm not sure what there is to explain that I couldn't do in a sentence or two. Debt is something the government takes on, using the cash reserves of the nation's buildings as collateral. So long as the debt is smaller than a base number calculated based on GDP, and the total cash reserves of all buildings in the country, you won't default. You pay a percentage of interest on your debt, which is put into the hands of the owners of the nation's buildings. Bankrupting is bad. Do not bankrupt. I do take your point though. Explaining how best to utilize debt could be a nice video. The general rule is that if you're taking on less than about 5% interest for your debt, you can basically do whatever you want, and if you're taking more than that, avoid all debt wherever possible.

[@baselal-sukhon9975]

You mentioned that trading is always worse than building in your own country. Is it not viable to import base agricultural goods and building industry, exporting finished goods. All as a way of manipulating industries you want profitable, and industries you want less profitable?

[@epamindgames2047]

Hi! Can you make a tutorial for the luxurious Luxembourg achievement?

[@Priyo866]

Would actually like to see a tutorial with tall gameplay if possible. Without cheesing the game and AI with early colonies.

[@funny_s3an915]

Could you later do a turtorial abt gorvernment like the interest groups, partys, lobbies etc?

[@antxi4624]

It doesnt matter how much workplaces I make or how cheap I make the goods, the SoL just keeps getting worse, someone please help

[@Micha-rb7no]

I like your content

[@versirion3609]

Can you do an in-depth Greece guide please? :)

[@ChrMuslimThor]

Could you do a guide for optimal Scandinavia?

[@Sigmatv-qc9rn]

I got 80 percent literacy as Japan while as a democratic theocracy but whenever I tried to get peasants into real jobs the shogun would rebel even though there barely even popular any help?

[@leube13]

How did you go about learning all of this? Yes i know actually play is apart of it... but these mechanics- did you just sit down and read the wiki and dev dairies until you knew them in and out

[@bretthuff8971]

I’m effectively able build up a strong laissez faire economy that dips into strong institutions with managed low tax deficit spending, but I’m never able to translate that into a militarized war engine so I can get more pops and resources. Got any tips?

[@MaxIrvine]

It literally is as simple as spamming out units, it’s not that complicated

[@DiMitryV5]

What is better for example smaller nations, professional army or national militia. Also what army comp is the best, i always fail wars even tho i'm tech ahead and have more troops then the enemy. Could you help me. Thank you in advance :)

[@Tarkusarkusar]

It depends. In general, national militia will give you a larger army, by sheer size, but it'll be harder to raise, and a ton more expensive. You might need months to raise your full conscript army, while a professional army can be raised in just a few days. In terms of composition, infantry have the best defense, artillery has the best offense, and cavalry has the best occupation speed. If you need to hold a front, use 100% infantry. If you need to win close battles, use 50% artillery and 50% infantry. If you know you're going to win a battle anyway, but want to win more land per victory, use 50% cavalry, and 50% infantry.

[@DiMitryV5]

@@Tarkusarkusar thank you, will try it out, this will surely help me

[@Dækvy]

I also was watching the stream, and actually got some useful answers to my questions! 5:15 also, thanks, Tarkusar, for actually digging deep for this one, even though it's not very important in the grand scheme of things

[@OddReal]

watched a bit of the VOD but fell asleep I already had a Belgium game going before this and I managed having over 200 million GDP while having no lands (not including puppets because I had most the Arabian Peninsula as puppets) besides the core belgium states, I only had to make the United Netherlands in 1930 because the lack ports was hitting.

[@alexbogdanoff1514]

Really helpful info, thanks, but the last 20min are demotivating… so many exploits and things that do not make sense. They need to fix and balance the game.

[@democlem]

I can’t find the horse-sized chickens and my nugget tower keeps falling over…am I winning yet

[@michaelcook6288]

With patch 1.8 you will have to remake this because it's no longer valid. All I do is keep starving myself and my pops. The game is WAYYYYY different now.

[@larsprophitius2968]

Made a video about south Netherlands

[@Skiddla]

20:17 this part kind of implies that irl rich pops hoard their money?? i don't know of any rich people who let their cash sit under the mattress. its in stocks, bonds, or at worst banks, all of these return to the economy. even if they did remove their cash from the economy and freeze it, the effect on currency value would be deflationary because the velocity of their frozen money is zero.

[@verisimuli]

🤓

[@keglez4924]

its good

[@infini_ryu9461]

What is a Belgium? Isn't that a biscuit?

[@reverendnon5959]

Russia guide, please

[@lema0925]

Hi, It's me again, complaining about midnight streams Bye

[@Afinati]

Any country, you say? Dahomey run.

[@Sam1838-i8j]

Play as sikkim

[@Andaraxi]

Day 7 of asking Tarkus to play Arabistan

[@Kasaaz]

The more I learn about the game the more I appreciate the underlying systems, and the more I despise the UI/UX. It's like trying to play piano wearing boxing gloves.

[@0sm1um76]

You know, I have like 250-300 hours in HOI4. I hated the UI in that game for easily the first 150, but eventually by like 200 hours I sort of realized there are relativley few things that take more than 3 clicks to get to. Some things suck like the division maker, but compared to something like Stellaris where designing ships takes like 30 clicks it's vastly superior. I think Victoria 3 is similar in that it has a ridiculously complicated UI, but I think the game is just intrinsically complicated as fuck, and for what it is I think it's pretty good.

[@Kasaaz]

@@0sm1um76 The problem isn't so much the actions in Vic3, it's finding the information you need. It's incredibly convoluted or spread out and split up over multiple interfaces.