The Absolute State of Gran Turismo 7

[@Roflwaffle16]

Hey guys, please note: This video was written and recorded before the most recent update. A few things have changed but not so drastically that I though it would be necessary to re-edit it. Here’s a rundown: - The handling model has been adjusted. Whilst a lot of cars feel more stable and predictable, including tuned road cars, which I showcased in this video, the issue is still there in the background. For instance, the 512BB I used as an example is still pretty awful to drive. - The Performance Point calculations have been adjusted. In the few specific cases of it being obviously broken it does appear to be resolved however this is highly situational and I wouldn’t be surprised to see that people have found new ways to break it. IMO the idea for how the PP system works in GT7 (basically, running a simulation of the car on a track and determining the PP based on it’s relative lap time) is flawed and will always leave room for exploitation given how a human can drive a car in different way than what the simulation might expect. If anything else has changed significantly please let me know!

[@GoombaWasTaken]

They’ve actually added an NSX GT500 car its in the Honda section of brand central.

[@gearmeister]

The faster 500pp cars which I've tuned before the update have been adjusted. I was using them in The Clubman Cup + to test their performance. About 60% now have over 550pp...these cars were the fastest. There's still some engine swap cars that are hidden gems for 550

[@XxWarmancxX]

The handling got worse since the last update.. how do cars both understeer more and become simultaneously more slippery and unstable at the same time? Impossible to drive on pad for most road cars now

[@ArumesYT]

PP system is still broken. Maybe I just found an exception, but a fully tuned Honda Beat '91 *with* 500+ bhp engine swap has *less* PP than a 135 bhp stock engined tune.

[@gearmeister]

@@XxWarmancxX I've updated my wheel so it made a difference. Also, the force feedback settings are critical for the right feel depending on which wheel you have...there's a setting on sensitivity which if you don't set it to 5 the steering of the car will not have the correct response

[@csbr75]

It makes no sense for GT to try to become the oficial FIA e-sport platform if they refuse to add modern GT3 cars. We are still using 458s while the 488 is getting put into retirement by the 296

[@alphamaledriveshard]

I always felt guilty for liking the main menu layout from the announcement trailer more than the one from the final game. It felt so much more vibrant and rich in detail. The final one just looks like a clipart.

[@KevinJDildonik]

Japan has a general problem with really out of date graphic design. Which puzzles me to no end. The PlayStation main menu... Ribbon... Thing... Is just awful in so many ways. It looks like a $20 DVD player. Little things like never pre-fetching content intelligently so you keep getting loading screens even three menus deep into buying DLC. Nintendo is just as bad. Trying to use the Switch store sometimes feels like using a Dreamcast to browse the internet. Then to something like GT7... Even Starfox on SNES made the lips flap when the characters talked. The GT7 menus look more like a cheap anime porn game you'd find on Steam than a AAA big name console game. Just change the talking head to say "What are you doing step bro?"

[@54car]

I thought iI was the only one. It felt like an updated version of the GT4 menu, but in HD. Very stylish, like it would age well but kind of nostalgic. This one being rendered might date it down the line imo.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@54car seems like GT7 is far outdated even compared to GT HD Concept.

[@DonaldVale]

​@@purwantiallan5089 using "outdated" makes you look like Beetlejuice Jesus Christ. Also stop ignoring comments you're making yourself look even dumber!

[@DonaldVale]

​@@purwantiallan5089 Okay you're just going way too far.

[@amvma5000]

I'm a livery creator and out of the 800h i have on the game I've spent around 500 on the editor. I can't stress enough how absolutely dumb is the fact that I can't make decals the same color of the actual car - so you either pick a cool color but can only do masks over it or you have to use a 'standard' color and be able to make corrections to other decals. It's such a small fix but would make an incredible difference.

[@Roflwaffle16]

Yep, basically creating mask layers and having decal paint be unified with regular body paint (so including metallic, pearl, chrome, iridescent etc decals) and it would pretty much be perfect. I didn't talk too much about applying decals because honestly I think GT7 does it way better than any other racing game I've played but for sure it can always be improved

[@littledramaboy]

@@Roflwaffle16 I have to disagree here, I've used the Forza Horizon 3 & 5 livery editors wherein (as opposed to GT Sport & GT7) you could group layers together. A very simple feature. When you were done on one side, it offered to copy the decals to the other side for you. There's more to complain about, but I've sold my PS4 since, and I'm happy to have done so. GT7 was a disappointment in more ways than it was entertaining.

[@urbanscarecrow]

Bro. Go outside

[@scottd7222]

​@@littledramaboy 😂 I guess as a livery editor sim it falls short but playing on ps4 is a mistake

[@Euer_Hochwuergen]

its not a small fix you dont understand the problem...

[@AKK5I]

Ironic because GT Sport, imo, did more things to the franchise than 7 has. It brought the advent of online racing. Had a new ambient - industrial theme throughout the game that succeeded the jazz and lounge/bossa nova of the past games, it did this within a unified and cohesive manner and it still had more original race music than GT7.

[@youtubeaccountlol4942]

I kinda miss GTS every now and again - With FH3 and Payback getting stale fast, Sport was the right game at the right time

[@jrojassengard2586]

I really agree, the soundtrack, the main menu. The build-in community aspect was also better handled imo.

[@andruzznaist.n.g5135]

Weren't you saying GTSport was lacking and it was bullshit back at the time?

[@jrojassengard2586]

Because it is. Don't get me wrong l have a love for it and its innovations, but that doesn't mean it's not a horrible Gran Turismo game.

[@youtubeaccountlol4942]

@jroj assengard also valid - for me it was just enough at the right time. I was a freshman in college so it was perfect for doing license tests w all the homies

[@rinchanmeow]

I can't wait for SUVs to be added to use them in the single event you'll be able to race them in. Clearly the time it'll take to add them will be well spent /s

[@moonshine3041]

In the 2022 state of play for GT7, Kaz said how GT7 was a game for both long time gran turismo fans or for people new to the series, but it seem's that its more focused on new players and non car enthusiasts rather than returning players.

[@mowglippml]

One thing that bugs me in the UI is how some menus let you back out by pressing Circle, but some menus require you to then press Cross on the Exit prompt. It's all very inconsistent

[@BawesomeBurf]

I had a similar issue with GT Sport. It felt like the different menus were worked on by completely different teams that had no communication with each other.

[@vvoof2601]

@@BawesomeBurf And with GT7 they fired the better of the teams.

[@luichinplaystation610]

Is a hybrid version

[@rockman1811]

Don’t forget 2 player split screen is STILL BROKEN AND THEY KEEP ACKNOWLEDGING THE FACT THAT ITS STILL A KNOWN ISSUE. Literally broken since release

[@CasioTurbo]

The funny thing is, GT6 had a proper paint system that previewed the car with the paint you wanted (Although you still had to get a car that has the paint you want to use for unlimited times)

[@purwantiallan5089]

Agree. GT6 is somehow a little better than 7 in this department.

[@CasioTurbo]

@@purwantiallan5089 Honestly I think its better than GT7 overall. But thats just an opinion

[@CLA82529]

And you can customize the speedometer too. GT7 feels like a few steps forward and a lot steps backwards.

[@Celatra]

@@purwantiallan5089 gt6 was in some ways the best gt don't @me

[@DonaldVale]

​@@Celatra endurance races are a joke in this game. Checkmate.

[@johnsyeats2044]

In addition to the great points you made about the stability of modified road cars, another issue is that they are not truly competitive against true race cars in events with fuel usage. If you bring a modified road car to race against the Gr.4 cars in a 700PP event, for example, you either have to pit a lot more frequently than you would in a Gr.4 car, or you have to short shift so much that you leave several seconds of lap time on the table for the entire duration of the race, which makes it less fun. It doesn't matter how much you lighten the car or reduce engine power output to maintain a performance balance close to the other cars, you just can't go as long on fuel. This is likely realistic in the sense that most road cars will have a tank capacity of anywhere from 55 to 90 litres, where race cars are more likely to carry somewhere in the region of 120 litres, but the question is: Why isn't there an option to buy a racing fuel cell in the tuning shop? Maybe even restrict it to cars that have had a certain level of weight reduction applied. This would go a long way to allowing modified road cars to get closer to parity with their racing counterparts in races with fuel usage, allowing for more interesting and varied car choices. At the end of the day, isn't more variety a better thing for everyone?

[@Roflwaffle16]

Yes, great idea! That is quite annoying. I find something similar with say Gr.3 cars when you put a turbo kit on and it just tanks the fuel usage. I mean turbos generally make cars more efficient but it's making more power so I guess that's realistic...? Either way it means that the upgrade barely does anything because you then have to turn your fuel map way down in those WTC races just to get to the end. Realism is good except when it needlessly contradicts enjoyment and makes certain features redundant...

[@aaryeshg.6526]

There is a similar issue like this all the way back in GT2. For example, if I want to do the rally events with say, a WRX or WRX STi of any version, I can tune it up, and its fairly competitive with most rally cars (except for Escudo ofcourse). But if I buy a Forester, because why not it is an SUV, I cannot upgrade it to even the same level that a WRX can, hence not competitive enough. Why restrict an SUV that is based on a car with same running gear? I don't understand.

[@Appletank8]

@@Roflwaffle16 Realistically if you're taking in more air, you're also burning more fuel. Turbos only really save fuel if you simultaneously downsize the engine and don't run so much boost you run fuel rich. But baffling, getting a bigger fuel tank for racing is also "realistic", so who knows why they've randomly nerfed road cars there so hard.

[@kirby1225]

that's how it has always been in Gran Turismo. And it is realistic but only because the upgrades you get are limited like in GT4 you can only get so much downforce compared to racing cars with the wing upgrade and any stock downforce a car may have.

[@marcusoppong1024]

While you mention that the car list is a smaller complaint in your opinion, it is a really big issue for me. As much as I love racing in high-speed cars, the GT experience for me was starting from the bottom and being there for a while. There's a reason that the Toyota Yaris/Vitz, Mazda Demio, Suzuki Capuccino and Nissan Cube are memes in the community: it's just surreal yet you could race in them and sometimes against high-performing racing cars and somehow win. Sometimes, you WANTED to race in bottom-tier cars just to show off your skills, humiliate your AI competiton, just to have fun or all of the aforementioned. And that's what's seriously lacking for me: the selection of everyday cars of the past and present. After all, some of these "mundane" cars are iconic in parts of the world. Where's the Renault Twingo? Peugeot 206/406? The freaking Mitsubishi Eclipse? Pretty much all common Mercedes? Any Fiat cars outside the 500? Audi A2/3/4/6/8? I know nearly all cars were taken from GT Sport to have a roster in the first place but it clearly shows that the car roster for GT7 wasn't purpose-built for the GT experience you usually expect.

[@Roflwaffle16]

That is still very true and was always part of the classic GT experience. I suppose it's more that the game is so deeply flawed in many other ways (structure, progression, events, rewards, AI, etc) that even if they added all the cars we could ever want tomorrow we wouldn't be able to enjoy them in the same way as the older games. The idea is that we need to put more emphasis on the fundamental issues first as a priority and then really focus on things like the car list as a secondary complaint

[@melonenstrauch1306]

1:31 I can't express how much I love you for playing "Urban Fragments" right there. R4: RIdge Racer Type 4 (Yes I will spell that name out) was an absolute work of art. The style both in the visual and audio departments is perhaps I've ever seen in a racing game!

[@SHIIFUTO]

That first piano notes... instant nostalgia

[@shira_yone]

I don't even play it in my childhood, and I still vibe with the great timeless music.

[@OX-1856]

I can still hear R4 Ridge Racer Type 4

[@CrashExhibition]

Such a great game. Preferred it to GT at the time 😅

[@MaxNCheesey]

and a solvalou drippy car in the screen

[@elFulberto]

One more example of meaningless limitations is split-screen multiplayer. Many people claim it is irrelevant and nobody uses it but my 5-y.o. son and I love to race together and we haven't saved up for a second console and TV set yet. Anyway, this feature is present in GT7 but they inexplicably removed the option to use cars from your garage for split-screen racing. That means we cannot choose a couple of weird junkers, tune them, slap stickers on them and then face them off against each other in a race. Our only option is a small selection of cars suggested by Polyphony. Which is even weirder since the garage was available for the split-screen mode in Sport and really didn't need to be changed much at all.

[@Roflwaffle16]

IIRC you need to 'favourite' your cars in your garage and then they'll appear as options in split-screen

[@DreadJester448]

Another little thing that drives me crazy is not being able to change between dirt and road tires in the race menus, and it just locking you out of event menus if you have the wrong tires equipped on your car. If i'm driving a road car and want to do a dirt time trial, it literally doesn't let you into the race menu to change your car if you have road tires equipped. You have to go all the way back to your garage and swap cars and then go back to the race afterwards. Same the other way going from dirt to road. Drives me insane. Also, why NOT let me drive on dirt with road tires??? Edit: should clarify I think this only applies for time trials, not events

[@InsomniRacer]

You can go into car settings on the menu before you enter the event. No need to go back to garage.

[@DreadJester448]

@@InsomniRacer if only you could. Try it, doesn't work for time trials, doesn't even let you go into the race menu with the wrong tires on your car. You get stuck at the track layout choice menu

[@InsomniRacer]

@@DreadJester448 Yes sorry I just noticed this yesterday. Another annoying thing that needs to be fixed.

[@RustyBadgeUK]

Boils my blood...this f**king game man!

[@Supersupra87]

I totally agree with you on many points! The thing that irritates me the most in single player is that the career mode is so bad. There are great tracks like Le mans, nurburgring and they only added a few shitty races. Why not add 2h, 4h, 24h race mode with day & night cycle, weather and more and give a nice payout...unlike the custom races.

[@gearmeister]

Because "shitty" races attract Millennials who don't even drive cars, but there's a Cafe where everyone has had too much coffee & blabber incessantly ☕ 🤣🤣🤣👍

[@YoloTub3]

Imagine doing the 24h race and losing some of a progress due to bad connection 💀

[@vvoof2601]

@@YoloTub3 I'd still rather they put those events in. That would suck, but that's the risk with modern games.

[@ochiamu]

I miss having a gauge tachometer in the external car view, havent seen that since GT3.

[@GranBreaker_]

You can't imagine how much I'm looking forward to the Finale of this series because the future of the franchise now scares me more than ever before. "The Pinnacle of the GT Journey" my ass

[@andruzznaist.n.g5135]

That's not gonna happen, either you like it or not, GT7 is a commercial success and given that, sony and poly will still make GT games. The future of the franchise is not at the hands of a youtuber's opinion.

[@pacifistduck9615]

@@andruzznaist.n.g5135 Certified 5th grade comprehension level moment

[@Tomani02]

2:38 Some Daiki Kasho songs are remastered / re-recorded but I agree that it was pretty disappointing to not see any new songs from him.

[@Lux_Klonoa]

Ah, I see you beat me to it already. =P

[@jewelsvevo8153]

Something that has always saddened me about Gran Turismo as an Aussie fan is the lack of Australian Cars and Tracks In terms of tracks we only ever see Bathurst and with cars we only got a couple Falcons, a Monaro and a Commodore I understand to have quality models and tracks it takes a long time to make but I just wish we'd get some love because we haven't gotten any since GT6

[@gearmeister]

I feel ya.. I wish they'd go all out & add an Australian Supercar pack much like all the trouble they went to in order to aquire NASCAR for GT5, only I feel like the Supercars would be a more timeless addition & not a one trick pony like NASCAR

[@scottd7222]

If only this game just went to PC with an editor it would be the greatest game ever made. To have a community mod mode similar to AC in a game as solid as Gran Turismo would be other worldly ngl 😂

[@spacesharkarzul6069]

Bathurst or Bratwurst as we jokingly call it is absolutely one of the most amazing flowing tracks in the game. Love everything about it!!

[@gamtax]

I see Gran Turismo 7 as car gallery and not car racing game. They could have make GT7 with various real-life championships, Supercars, LMPs, GTEs, JGTC, old GT500 and GT300, Group A, Group B, Group C, Group 7, Group N, BTCC, DTMs, etc or fictional championship in older Gran Turismo like All Stars, Turbo Races, FF battles, FR battles, etc. Now GT7 is just a car gallery, racing is just an addon, not a core component.

[@TheFurryInShambles]

​@damarfadlan9251Its weird GT6 didn't have any recent V8 supercars at the time at all considering Kaz said he was planning to add V8 Supercars in GT5 but couldn't cause he was told to release it already so why didn't he do that in GT6??

[@shiki8437]

I love how most of time other games hidden gem ost is bc the fight or sfx are too loud that player can bearly heard it, But in GT7 is bc dev put it at the menu that most of people will skip it and start the race ASAP.

[@JackWhelan1988]

A garage that you could actually fill with the cars you own in-game, could walk around, that would auto-fill with memorabilia from the brands would be awesome. You'd end up with a space that looks like Jay Leno's garage, for example. I have no desire to cruise through the cars that I own as it stands. If I could see the cars, in situ, all together in such a way, I'd spend hours oggling my collection and wanting to add to it. It would be a way of making some of the more niche cars a bit more desirable, too.

[@pedinhuh16]

Believe it or not, GTA is the only game that scratches that "walk around a filled garage with many cars that I bought and own" itch for me.

[@JackWhelan1988]

@@pedinhuh16 The closest thing I remember to it were the old ‘trophy rooms’ on games like Tiger Woods golf and the like. Could see all the things you’d won - was v satisfying.

[@elFulberto]

Not sure if the console could handle ALL of your cars loaded in a single scene. But I agree having some space where you could showcase your cars could be awesome.

[@aaryeshg.6526]

@@pedinhuh16 TDU had a similar thing as well. GRiD 2 kind of has it where you can see some of your other cars in the background but not as intuitive as GTA and TDU's where you can poke into every car of your garage.

[@dudebro484]

TDU2 gave you that orgasmic vibe. I mean you can have a literal fucking waterfall in your garage while ogling your collection of supercars from the early 2010's and shit.

[@comet30265]

I miss driving the 2000 Mustang SVT Cobra R in GT3. Wish they would bring that back

[@MrSilnev]

Pointlessly restrictive...that's a good way to describe Polyphony Digital. I remember in GT5 there was a glitch that allowed you to remove the rear spoiler from cars. This was a pure cosmetic thing that Polyphony patched out of the game. There were other bugs at the time but the spoiler deletion took priority. The same thing happened with another glitch that let you repaint cars that usually couldn't be repainted. It was mostly used to repaint a re amemiya rx7, yellow to resemble the car from Initial D. Like the spoiler that was patched out the game pretty fast. In terms of the car list, I can't complain too much about it but I do think there are some odd choices to it. Like there's the Mclaren F1 GTR, The Mercedes CLK GTR but then there's the Porsche 911 GT1 Road Car....why? Why not get the race version to round out the set? Also it really annoys me that after 10 years the fan car variants of the Red Bull X1's have been completely omitted. I can understand their omission in GT Sport but in GT7? Why? They bring back the Chapparal 2J but not their own original race car design? Same goes for the Formula Gran Turismo. In an era of user created liveries, not bringing back a generic formula 1 car seems like such a mis-step.

[@dankmemebunny]

Man your videos are surprisingly high quality for the low views they have, I thought it wouldve had 200k views on the other vids.

[@someonetookmynick]

HE DONT MISS. POLYPHONY, HIRE THIS MAN.

[@Dic_Justice69]

Would be cool if the developers can add the gt 1, 2, 3 and 4 menu music in the free updates along with a option where you can change the music in different sections of the game to whatever you like

[@NicholasAllen666]

Would be great if that happened!

[@sukairain240sx]

I added menu music from previous GT games but only on GT5-6 since you can add custom playlist to races and menus

[@rickygrenadier6303]

Something to note on the OST: Some Daiki Kasho songs have been remastered (as in, re-EQd) like 5OUL ON D1SPLAY and SURV1V3. You can hear the difference with good headphones

[@tech10k14]

What drives me crazy is when wanting to record a video of my new livery in the dynamic scenes bit... all you then get is 'helicopter at 10,000 feet', ' dark silhouette at night', and 'There is my car! Oh... it's vanished around the corner'...

[@Bahraini_Carguy]

26:30 ironically, GT7 barely has any SUVs & Crossovers in the game. In fact, the previous entries probably had more. Personally, i find Kaz's words & interviews to be really inconsistent and often contrary. In that exact article for example, he mentioned that a lot of fans are complaining about them not adding cars from classic GT days and in respond, he says something along the lines of "we have to embrace the future with new cars and what not" yet they somehow continue to add mostly cars from the mid-late 20th century. There are a lot of other things i want to talk about but I just don't have the time nor effort to make an hour or so video on GT7.

[@TheFurryInShambles]

When he meant embrace the future, he was talking about Vision GT cars 😂

[@MOVGAMES.]

2:35 Quick correction, a good amount of the Daiki Kasho tracks in GT7 ARE remixes, notably Soul On Display, Surv1v3, What To Believe definitely are off the top of my head. Day To Live and Break Down are too after going back and rechecking.

[@Smashvillain]

This is actually the second remaster of What To Believe as well. GT6 had its own remastering.

[@MOVGAMES.]

@@Smashvillain Can't say I remember it sounding any different in GT6, some OST uploads on KZbin for some reason incorrectly use the GT4 Prologue Demo Mix but in game it was the usual GT4 one as far as I can remember.

[@racelegend799]

You missed the biggest thing GT7 is missing: NO REAL FRANCHISE/CAREER MODE! It's truly anger inspiring considering it was one thing that was sold prelaunch that the game would have.

[@josephmatuszak3855]

The base dampening adjustments changed, check out a Gr.4 tune now, and look at the dampening specifically. Adjust spring rate and sway based on roll center and weight.

[@sukairain240sx]

I greatly appreciate you diving in and looking into the flaws of Gran Turismo's most recent release. I hyped myself for getting this game until I didn't due to the online only feature, cafe race feature, and general progression that made me feel that I didn't want to put time into a game like this. Funny how the recent discovery of cheats in GT4 made me go back to playing the series I grew up with.

[@juni_2452]

There is something that i have noticed while using a wheel, if you lose control of the car and you let go of the wheel, the wheel tries to correct the car to the center of the track. Sometimes i've spun, let the wheel go, the car is perpendicular to tarmac and the wheel turnes the car in the direction of the track. I've never had a wheel before but it feels really weird when that happens, also that never happened to me irl, but i assume that it definitely doesn't happen

[@LordofDestruction123]

It's self-centering torque. The front wheels want to go straight, even if the car is not going straight. In daily commuter driving, you may see some people exit a corner by simply relaxing their grip and allowing the wheel to spin back to center before grabbing the wheel again. It works the same if the car is oversteering. The friction of the road surface will point the tires in the direction of least resistance. If you watch some IRL drift videos, you'll see some drivers just let go of the wheel, wait for it to spin on its own into the countersteer, and then catch it. The difference in GT7 is, unless you're using a direct drive wheel, your FFB wheel will not spin fast enough, so the car will oversteer too much. You must manually throw the wheel into opposite lock.

[@juni_2452]

@@LordofDestruction123 i know what self-centering torque is and i do that thing where you let go of the wheel at the end of a corner irl. But in game it feels like the car wants to turn it self in the direction of the race track, for example, i expect that if i spin and let go of the wheel and the car is perpendicular to the track the wheel will swing side to side but that doesn't mean it will end up parallel to the race track, i expect it to go where the path of least resistance is, but in the game when i let go it really feels like there is someone driving the car and trying to get it back to the center of track . Btw i only use ABS in gt7. I don't really have this issue in dirt 2.0, maybe i'm going crazy😂

[@LordofDestruction123]

@@juni_2452 assuming you have steering and countersteer assists disabled, you shouldn't encounter anything like that. I would expect there must be some coincidence between the wheel you're using along with the car and any elevation changes midcorner at whatever track this is happening at. But as I said before, unless you're using a direct drive wheel, your wheel will not spin fast enough for any throw and catch drifting to work. The motor just won't be strong enough for that. So the feedback won't be realistic in certain situations.

[@simply-komeiji]

I don't mind GT7 using Old Music, it gives players from who played it at gt5 or gt6 a feeling of nostalgia, and gts did the same thing too, except music wasnt originally composed for the game specifically.

[@bcat300]

I just want to see kazunori yamauchi and his team to react and respond to your videos. You make a lot of good points.

[@HumbleGuyGaming]

So basically one feature I wish that would've came back was in multiplayer lobbies( not sport lobbies) and that would be the ability for the talking through voice in a lobby, I loved chatting with random people in lobbies when I'd go play multiplayer but now it's reduced to PS party. Or having to type out a long message to people in chat.

[@MastermindAtWork]

I find it crazy, since you mentioned the game UI. I remembered in early showings of GT7 the games menu originally looked like an HD version of Gran Turismo 4 before the one we currently have. Look at the older Sony State of Play events, its mind-boggling knowing that we've been robbed of that.

[@shutterant]

Thanks for this insight. I've been holding off buying GT7 for over a year now in the hope that the game would be more complete by the time I got around to buying it. As the price dropped to a more affordable level last week, I went out and bought it anyway. It's still too early for me to judge fully as I'm still working through those damn menu books but I definitely have mixed feelings. My first impressions are that GT7 seems to be a missed opportunity. It could have been the best GT game in gaming history but it feels like it fell a little short in places. Maybe the game development was hampered by having too many cooks involved (i.e. death by committee), or maybe the pandemic killed the production momentum. Maybe they just ran out of time and the only way to finally launch was to recycle old assets. I don't know. My only hope is that the game will continually evolve and that PD takes on board constructive critiques like this directly from the fan base so that they can deliver what we truly want, rather than just what they want.

[@gertinewoord1887]

Well ,its their game and its up to you to decide if you want to play it or not.

[@LateralTwitlerLT]

@@gertinewoord1887 "thE Sky iS bLuE aNd waTER iS wET!" Thank you, you're very helpful.

[@shutterant]

@@gertinewoord1887 Oh, I've already decided that I want to play it, for now. I'm over 90 hours into Gran Turismo Sport and just over 15 hours into Gran Turismo 7. I want to persevere and peel back the layers. But what type of game would you enjoy the most? A game made by a company that only serves the vision of the company over the needs of the player, or a game made by a company that listens to the community and prioritises the needs of the player to realise a collective vision?

[@jogabonito8989]

6:37 I actually love Lenny Ibizarre's music, One World is actually one of my favourites. Listening to the entire song and feeling the calm vibes while watching beautiful cars go by is so therapeutic. I much prefer GT Sports slow burn playlist. As a game, with the daily car rewards, it made me appreciate cars and racing more than the GT7 and its poorly executed cafe menus.

[@prabeshgurung1067]

About the GTS menu soundtrack, I actually found it fitted very well with how the menu either shows history or the scenic car views, going to the animated versions when left on standby. This wouldn't work in other GT games due to the purpose of their menus, but because S was a spin off and didn't focus on that single player progression, it had a more atmospheric menu.

[@j.marston]

GT Sports' entire soundtrack was sublime and I even go as far as calling it my favourite GT soundtrack. PD not putting them into GT7 is criminal.

[@mikem0898]

The absolute state of Gran Turismo 7 is when you can't do anything because your internet connection dropped, or you're just kicked-out (before patches, glitched-out even) out of single player races

[@MrDanMoss]

You've nailed it on the head! As a lifelong fan of the series (My first PlayStation game was Gran Turismo 1), this is the first Gran Turismo game I've uninstalled. In the never ending strive for greatness they've lost the genuine fun and the magic that made this series as legendary and as unique as it once was.

[@AL71B]

Great video. Never realised there was so much music in the game, even if they are carried over. Always seems to play the same stuff for me. Very good points about GT Auto and the livery editor, it’s very very frustrating to put it politely. Myself and others have often said, how did PD include some stuff from GTS but not others? Remember saving lobby settings? Replay menu. Tons of stuff was not included, it’s as if the people developing the game didn’t actually play the game, otherwise they would have realised. There’s other frustrating UI stuff too. And they still haven’t fixed the lag/twitching cars in lobbies.

[@juliemittel3931]

the re-paint system in GT7 is about the same as an F1 game making you jump out of the car and change each tire by hand during a pit stop, as opposed to simply pitting in.

[@SpikeTheLucario]

I think it would've been kinda cool if they made songs unlockable, and once you unlock them, you can use them anywhere.

[@DSS.Yamikage]

Most important missing feature for me Time Trial does not play race music. It's a easy function and I don't get it why it's missed since day 1. I do time trial most, it's annoying. I just want to drive my car at nur, if poly's employee see this comment, add in back to game, please.

[@MarlonH8]

My worst gripe related to customization in GT7 isn't even mentioned here. I have slow upload speed (1Mbit/s), which makes it so even if I'm just applying a simple repaint, it takes a handful of minutes to transmit the new "livery" to their servers.

[@donnycorn3086]

looking at the brand central cutscenes, I was really expecting the kind where we can visit each dealerships on foot like Project Gotham had.

[@Zerobeat2004]

To be honest, considering there were a lot of cars ripped/updated from GT6, I’m surprised they didn’t update all of the detailed interior cars from GT5/6. There are a lot of popular cars missing from GT7. Ford Mustang GT S197 Dodge Challenger SRT8 Fisker Karma Oldsmobile Toronado Jay Leno Alfa Romeo TZ3 Audi R10 Ferrari FXX Isuzu 4200R Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package Scion FR-S Tesla Roadster Lexus IS F Racing Concept And that’s not to mention the NASCAR models, Ferrari Formula 1 cars, the Super GT cars from that era, WWII Volkswagen models, and ESPECIALLY all the GT Award winners.

[@ollyclass]

So good the songs include Ducati. Tourist trophy 2 confirmed?

[@Ryan--G]

I just wanted a Ford Escort to upgrade (a true legend/classic), but my options are an ST, RS, F150, or various Mustangs. Ford got shafted here 😂

[@Agent_Onocaid]

I would like these tracks. Silverstone (All layouts) Albert Park Zolder Misano (GT) Zhuhai Sydney Motorsport Park (All layouts) Donnington (All layouts) Hockenheim (All layouts)

[@captainzib]

I love how gorgeous the cars are but would happily play a game where the car models look PS2 GT4 quality, but you can run a full Le Mans or Nurburgring 24 hour grid.

[@glencooley66]

Just a day, losing my favourite game. Two of the best GT songs that just made the game for me. It's weird that they stopped licensing mainstream music :(

[@eins2001]

It costs a lot

[@glencooley66]

I get that but they spent a lot when it wasn't as large a franchise?

[@gamtax]

@@glencooley66 Maybe they spent a lot on licensing cars that no one will use.

[@littledramaboy]

Here are a few of my gripes: If GT7 is a 2022 Racing Sim: Why can I not pan the camera around my car/the cockpit? Why can't I set the camera sensitivity to more than "bare minimum"? Why is the menu for purchasing upgrades so unintuitive? Why are differently colored wheels not grouped together in the customizing shop? Why is there so little variety in wheels, which are car-agnostic? Why can't I group or copy decals in the editor? Why do all cars (even 4WD) keep spinning out or sliding, even under high grip/low power conditions? Why are the licenses and the races so damn hard (almost impossible after the Alfa Romeo menu)? Why does 200km/h still feel like 50km/h? Why does the AI keep using the PIT maneuver, or just pushing me out of the way? If the GT7 economy is good (and not focused on microtransactions): Why are certain cars so expensive (even in terms of real money)? Why do I earn so little when I race? Why do I get the absolute lowest prize 95% of the time in the roulette? If GT7 is a "return to form": Why can't I sell cars? Why do I have to wait for older models to be included in the Used Cars rotation? Why can’t I just race and buy whatever I want? Why is the music so uninspired? Why do I have the café man giving me tasks and showing me presentations like an MS Teams call with my boss? Why is there so much emphasis on brands, and so much marketing material? Why is everything locked unless you go online?

[@MattyT_86]

I just want all the JDM golden nuggets and every single little hot hatch ever made. GT2 had so many interesting cars.

[@scottoleson1997]

I like SUV’s in racing games because it’s a little glimpse into driving more challenging cars with lots of power, like how in Forza Motorsport 4, they introduced hybrid and electric cars to the series, but didn’t put the Honda CR-Z or Prius, Volt, Leaf, etc. in any other Forza. Extremely unfortunate as I think a Nissan Leaf or Prius going around the hotwheels tracks in Horizon or just using one in a drag race is hilarious, but sad that they haven’t been reintroduced.

[@rinchanmeow]

Would be fun to have a video series about forza also, lol. Another series that's gone far down the drain

[@mrctuned2844]

From a real automotive tuner perspective, I personally love how realistic the upgrade parts are. Putting expensive suspension on your car doesn't in itself make it faster or better. It requires time and an understanding of how to set it up.l properly. I like how PD did it in GT7, because it means that not just anyone can throw parts on a car and make it too fast. It's usually faster to master a factory road car then to just throw parts at it and expect it to be better. It makes factory spec cars more attractive in that sense. And if you want to make a beast out of a road car, it's going to take time. I see this all the time in my tuning shop.

[@Roflwaffle16]

I'm not doubting that to be the case IRL, my problem is that for a game it gets needlessly complicated and not fun unless you already have an in-depth understanding of tuning in GT7, which is ironic considering it's been stated many times how one of the goals of GT7 is to get new people into cars and helping them to understand tuning is part of that. Also when we consider how broken the 'performance point' system still is (such as sometimes putting on better suspension and brakes will decrease your car's PP level but it'll still be faster over a lap) it becomes even less intelligible for beginners. With the example I showed, no amount of tuning that 512BB will fix the issues. It is fundamentally broken, as if the game didn't anticipate people putting high-grip tyres and low, stiff suspension on so it simply can't handle it.

[@Strings95]

Music licensing has sadly just become a problem with modern gaming, caused by greedy music labels and the streaming excuse. The days of a modern soundtrack accompanying any game seems to be over, until AI can create license free music of a quality that is better than the stuff that has to be paid for currently. As for up to date cars, perhaps polyphony would make more people happy if they ran polls on what cars players actually want before investing the considerable time involved in making the 3d model and the sounds and the physical emulation of the car. But honestly, most likely we will get sophy in gt8, and have to wait for gt9 before the full benefits of AI generated objects find there way into the Gran Turismo work flow. But if you look at what is happening in unreal engine, perhaps there will be a new driving franchise that does use all the new technology and gives us a racing game that is better in every way than what we have at the moment.

[@GT_Electro]

12:11 for the menu I think it was a technical choice because the PS4 would not have managed it, I point out that with a PS4 the fan does not prove to go and it takes its time to load a menu, which is absurd it is as if on GT4 as soon as we entered the career the fps dropped to 40 I'm sure of it now but I think Sony forced the game to be made on PS4 and not just on PS5 by leading the developers to redevelop maps because the minor console couldn't handle them However I also liked the style of the trailer more a touch towards GT4 but at the same time modernized

[@MUSTDOS]

In a way; we're not racing in the main menu so the dip shouldn't matter much. It's one of those moments when aiming for people who are away from your audience.

[@rinchanmeow]

Gotta love the 8th gen consoles, the gift that keeps on taking. Take me back to when the old consoles got a completely different version of the game instead of holding back the new gen for so long that there's hardly any point to owning one

[@dylanbauman3894]

i litterally discovered your channel today and i love it, please continue to produce content and giving your opinion because i agree a lot with you

[@Dstinct_HaKai]

I’m pretty sure all the Daiki Kasho songs were re-recorded for GT7. None of them sound exactly like the older versions of themselves. At least the ones with Johnathan Underdown and Ray Hikari on the vocals seem to be re-recorded.

[@jeffbarnard348]

The VR garage is EPIC, it's exactly as you've mocked up

[@swedtv6739]

What turned me off a lot is the removal of the export to usb function from the media gallery for no reason whatsoever. That was a good way to export the high-res images but nooo, it had to be removed since being there forever.

[@s727r]

That cardigans song is taking on a different meaning now.

[@ArcadeStriker]

Maybe the GT8 intro will be the GT movie lol

[@gretchcat6862]

Someone at PD really needs to see your videos. I really hope word gets to them or the community get so tired of their crap that they finally have to change something. I find myself just sitting in menus because I want to race but the bots are way too easy (even though I’m on hard difficulty) and online is only fun for a few races. Pretentious is a great term for where the game has gone and as much as I want to keep playing the game, every time I start it up I sit there soulless, and then just play GT on PSP instead

[@Vermilleno]

The reason why I will never play GT7 is the stiff chase camera that is glued to the car.

[@spacesharkarzul6069]

Love it! Yep there has been many features cut from the older games. Alone like the group function from GT Sport for decals. Lots of stuff doesn’t make sense to me, the payouts and all of custom races included. And the worst thing about always online is the applying of a livery. I’ve got a friend who makes super detailed livery’s and gets super into it, recreating some historic ones to great detail, yet his worst enemy is “applying 33%”. He has rather bad internet and at some point, the Gran Turismo servers simply cuts the server connection, because it takes too long and he is stuck in an infinite loading loop. unfortunately, closing the game at this state, seems to lock him out of GT Auto for a couple days, to the point, where he cant access the livery editor anynore. We also do a little "550PP Amateur world Series" cup league thing where the condition is, everyone must use race tires, 550PP max. the Mazda Atenza XD is broken af. you put tuning parts into it and it looses PP like crazy or gains little to nothing. Aero parts make it loose PP as well. we tried to rebuild the set up of one contestant and somehow the car has more torque than the Tomahawk (something with 91 kgfm I think) at the Le Mans race of the league we discovered, that at least online with our configuration, wind apparently only has two settings there. blowing from north or east. if you copy a set-up, it doesn't copy the gear box settings for some players. and tires get cold/warm. yet there is no way to fetch that data out of the mfd. you need some 3rd party app to read it. if you set the weather to have light rain, and later dry, it sometimes rains like out if a shower. or doesnt rain at all. in any case, that was a very interesting video and I've very much enjoyed the series thus far ^^

[@matiblaster8923]

Oh, my images were used for this video. That's a nice surprise :D

[@vstaritz]

I don't know if this is a controversial opinion or not to be fair but i was hoping they would bring back "non-premium" cars. I brought this up once when they announced GT7 and Jimmy Broadbent basically answered me "quality over quantity, get rid of them". But i would disagree, not with the idea itself but with the added context of game development added. One of the things that made GT so appealing was the fact that so many people could find their own car in it at least the Japanese and European. With the used market there was a seemingly endless supply of oddities and rare gems to stumble upon and make your own. While there is an argument to be made about the presence of old models encouraging devs to be lazy and not make new models but in the context of video game cars i don't think it's such a concern as for a given games development cycle there are probably 3 or 4 model years coming out of just about every car. Does it really matter if the e46 M3 looks dated if it means you're getting more newer BMWs on top of it. Besides, playing GT6 or even GT4 emulated with upscaled graphics will show that these old models can look brilliant just by upscaling textures and just running them in a new game engine. In an ideal scenario imo, GT7 would have had all (license permitting) cars from GT6, and the newer models added, with let's say a good selection of the more exceptional older models being remade. This imo is what would have allowed them to build another single player experience that was as engaging as the older games. To my understanding, the only limitations with this idea is again licensing costs and conditions, disk space and what i think matters to them most, multiplayer balance. Balance is hardly a consideration in single player since the game basically requires you to overpower you car to win the chase, and they could simple ban old models from ranked play online. It's still incredible to think we can have as much as 400 cars so well made into one game but at the end of the day "quality over quantity" quickly loses it's appeal if you don't have a truly compelling experience with these cars. GT7 and mostly every GT imo never had AIs, a narrative or the level of realism that would keep people driving for very long without the added appeal of having so many cars to experience.

[@Roflwaffle16]

I think it's certainly an interesting discussion to have and nowhere near as black and white as PD would have you believe. The thing about Gran Turismo is that it was never the most 'realistic' simulation, it never produced the best racing, but what it did have was an interesting and diverse world of cars to explore and enjoy. That, to me, was always one of the biggest appeals of Gran Turismo. Fast forward to today and we have these ultra-detailed models that far exceed anything that have come before them. We're now at the point where we can distinguish individual stitches on a dashboard or tiny markings on headlights and taillights, but it really needs to be asked if anybody (beyond just the super-anal) really cares and, more importantly, if anybody would even notice if they didn't draw so much attention to it? It really makes you wonder if the sacrifice is worth it when managing to shave even just one month of the process would allow them to make vastly more cars than they currently do. Just because they can make car models to this level of detail doesn't mean that they necessarily should. Even still, the real failure of GT7 is how they use the cars they already have. Let's not forget that GT3 had roughly about 180 cars and still managed to be much more of a complete game than GT7 is and probably ever will be. How they use each car is so important, so when you see that there are literally no events for Gr. 2 racing cars as well as many classics which have their prices inflated so dramatically, it's just embarrassingly bad game design.

[@ba2724]

Ah, another vid to reinforce my frustrations with all things GT. Thanks again.

[@bilbobeuli]

I’m really glad that I found your channel, you hit the exact same spots I’ve wanted in GT videos. It was one of my favourite gaming franchises but they seemingly dropped the ball since GT6 onward. Short rant: Not even talking about the content or the game specifically, but why the hell do you release the game for the PS3 when the PS4 was already out and NEVER make it available for the newer console. Jesus Christ… I’ve just come around playing the game in the past few weeks because I finally found a working dual sense controller for the PS3, because GT games don’t even accept the PS4 controller on the PS3…

[@SicSemperBeats]

You forgot one major issue with time trial that made me stop playing the game. When you're in a PP category, you literally can't scroll past 50 times. So if you practice alot and want to compare times between tunes and cars you literally can't only the first 50 or so times per 100pp level. Its like the game was designed by people who never touched a video game

[@michealhybrid1473]

imagine giving us all the gt5-7 music but refuse to give us the goat gt3-4 music.

[@ACardboardBox1]

Oh, some GT3 music is there….in the replays after you finish a race.

[@euphoriaggaminghd]

Imagine thinking gt5 - gt sport music isn't still amazing

[@UltimateSuperSaiyan]

​@@euphoriaggaminghd the thing is though, there's barely any bgm to begin with. I'm always hearing the same 4-5 songs in the menus and in the races, GT5, 6 and even Sport had so much more great background and racing music

[@XxWarmancxX]

Gt5 and gt6 had great music, it's sport where it all went south.

[@ArturKwaszyn]

@@UzumakiNagato "The all topic of music during racing is pointless to me, as you can use spotify" I don't know dude, there's plenty of people who got hooked up on the game because of the soundtrack. I fell in love with GT1 back at the end of the 90s because of its iconic menu sounds. Then, there was the GT2, with classics like The Cardigans or Rob Zombie. It was perfect. I could play all night while listening to Dragula. I can safely say that GT1 and GT2 soundtracks were 50% responsible for my love to the franchise. Then, there was Forza Horizon 4 - my first FH on Xbox. I adored the soundtrack there - Sister Cities, Deathwish, Run for Cover. I spent at least 50h just driving around the map, listening to the rock radio station in this game. Music is very important.

[@flameforrr8319]

Honestly if they let us customize the music more, meaning allow us to choose the playlist for menus/in-game racing the soundtrack would be so much better because there is a lot of hidden gems in the OST

[@khaotika943]

Another annoyance with the music is that you cannot turn off menu BGM songs like you can with the race BGM. I wouldn't have guessed there were 170 menu tracks because I always hear the same handful over and over. And the song changes every time you change screens/areas.

[@bantuatha]

Even if the finale video is coming, we may get an encode discussion for how far the GT7 updates goes, I had feeling they would add SUV in a future but it had to be more sporty off road like the pickup truck event we had.

[@UltimateSuperSaiyan]

once again all of your criticisms are spot on. I wish you could work for polyphony as a tester or something! keep the videos coming :)

[@bodkillinator]

I think the worst thing about the use of the music is the fact that it changes track pretty much everyrime you enter or leave a new screen. So generally you hear about 5 seconds of the start of a track and then another one starts, it's infuriating and there's no need for it.

[@I-M-Pulsive]

Interesting thoughts. But I cannot disagree more about the UI part. I would cry if it looked like some of the things you mentioned :')

[@terrylu4894]

when you change tyres and suspensions for road cars you also need to change natrual frequency to get decent handeling

[@horizon_angel]

The thing about garage is, they have done something good in GT Sport, with the houses, and pit garage, and stuff, why would they even go back to void.... "To showcase ray tracing" TBH, the one from GT Sport fits more, if they want to showcase the said graphics

[@galliman123]

Anyone remember the music rally...? What a stupid idea and waste of development time

[@drvkc]

I can't wait for your grand finale. May it be your magnum opus.

[@kyuzotatsuya9641]

If the single player experience was decent I imagine a lot of these flaws would get overlooked but the SP it just feels tacked onto GT sport and polyphony seem to have forgotten that games are supposed to be fun (clicking through 25 pages of waffle about a car from "leo" or whoever IS NOT FUN)

[@jimbobbigknob2718]

Your content never ceases to amaze me on how thorough and well put together it is, then that same feeling hits again when I see your sub count, I'm just waiting for the day that your channel explodes cuz it has the potential, or at least I think so :)

[@XxWarmancxX]

Galabria and the remix of the entertainer are the 2 best songs of the gt7 soundtrack. I WANNA HEAR THE ENTERTAINER IN THE DEALERSHIP PD! LET ME FOLD MY LAUNDRY TO THE ENTERTAINER AS SCAPES WITH AN RX7 ARE ON MY TV AND SPEAKERS ;-;

[@DreamOf944]

Thank you for these videos. I haven't played a GT game after GT4. I couldn't easily afford the newer consoles and found the games not appealing enough to strive to save up for them. It sucks to see that one of the game series that gave me the most enjoyment of my childhood (GT2 and 4) has become so frustrating. The repainting is a great example. I didn't mind not being able to repaint cars, it's never been a thing in GT when I played it. But being able to actually go through all the colours by manufacturer and buy exactly what you want perfectly expands the "car catalog you can play with" feeling that I think GT always wanted to convey. But when you go to try and repaint it... What a nightmare. It's worse than Forza! And Forza doesn't even make you jump through the hoops of creating a livery if you just want to swap colours and not add decals. The removal of factory decals annoyed the crap put of me in Forza and now you're telling me GT does it too... Just wow 😂

[@DV-ou1yu]

911 Strassenversion is a great example and the Plymouth Bird. Even worse, we don't get to change strictly stock manufacture paint/decal combos at least like Motorsport. This livery paint job is the worst lol

[@josephmatuszak3855]

Things that still piss me off: -No Horn (ON/OFF) for lobbies -Splitscreen still broke -Roulette (still) -Photomode is just a picture now. In GT6 you used to be able to wander a whole photoscape.... -In "Showcase" notice there is only 1 search option? Also notice, typing a single digit or number, will not yeild search results. -Ya the solo mode races are a friggin joke. They are way too seperated. You'd think WTC 600/700/800 would be on nearly EVERY track, as well as FF/FR/MR/4WD/Clubman.... but naw. -Stock decals should be an applicable feature in livery editor. -You can NOT use multiple metallics per zone. -Decals can not use metallic or special colors. -Some of the 2 piece wheels are not properly coloring (either whole thing gets painted, or shows up fully painted in races)

[@NekoPufferPPP]

Barely anyone even talks about all these little things, thank you so much for pointing them out, I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking the same. A lot of these issues like missing features boil down to the rushed release of the game, which is painfully obvious right from the start. Sure they're updating it and adding some things bit by bit, but, people want a finished product right away, a finished product makes a good first impression, which is everything. I personally don't mind playing a game in its beta stages, but the general population don't, claiming it's not what they paid for. Well, at least every update is free, instead of being paid DLC, unlike most games. You get your money's worth in the long run. (I hope)

[@pajerofan22]

Gt7 should have just kept every car from its previous games. So many unique cars were taken out. Vision gt cars imo dont need to be a thing.And a feature I miss from gt5 is the course maker.

[@MustangChuck]

With regards to Brand Central, I think it would be kinda cool to have a sort of short entrance scene into each brand’s “dealership” that you can skip if you’d like and a semi-interactive “storefront” where you can go to the showroom, visit the museum, etc. Also, I wish there was an “auto play” function for the museums so that you can sit back, relax, and learn about the brand’s history when you feel like taking a break from racing.

[@radiozulu9773]

This such good content for people who like watching really long video essays from obscure communities they aren't a part of. Awesome videos

[@scottd7222]

my favorite song on this the French joint in the Brand central. Honestly I just wish they played more of the brand central music in the main game

[@jdbb3gotskills]

I wish they could add the music from past games and you can select which soundtrack you want to listen to. On top of a new and better soundtrack for gt7. I know that won’t happen but I can dream lol

[@lucwijngaard8413]

I liked Sixtyfour Hippos by Lenny Ibizzare in GT Sport