The Absolute Worst Scene in the Entire Duggar Show

[@logalogalog]

Jim Bob has held the two jobs that probably have the highest reputation for untrustworthiness: Used Car salesman and Politician.

[@thebjm1967]

I know right!? That’s a great point!

[@LisaKoffler]

Absolutely! Jim Bob is now stuck paying Josh's legal fees!

[@FeechLaMannas]

Ol Lego hair head is going to bankrupt his small army paying for all the prison appeals of that depraved fuck Josh. Hope he meets his fate in general population posthaste.

[@mollyrice1578]

Add in religious leader and you’ve got the full set! 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@LisaKoffler]

Jim Bob wanted to start his own "cult church," but he wasn't successful!

[@cmmmmmhmsh]

This family disgusts me. Poor Anna was conned and married off to sex offender. Shame on Jim Bob and Michelle for allowing it to happen when they knew what he did.

[@brennathecatlover4360]

She was fine with the marriage she knew what he did like she takes her kids to see him she’s not innocent

[@kimberlyritenour9489]

Also so did her parents know . I would have allowed that.😢

[@cynthiaconner8601]

Anna was his "working model" And Jimbob gave him a book, " Before the Wedding Night." like 30 minutes before they got married.. so is Joshua a speed reader..also the creepy smirk he gives..

[@virgosbonnet7896]

No she wasn’t. She initiated the courtship. She introduced herself to Pest at a ATI conference after she read a newspaper article about the Duggar’s then watched a few episodes of the show. She was a fan who married her crush

[@troyboy4645]

Your disgusting

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh insisted in an interview that he married Anna for her "purity," but he's NOT so "pure" himself! HYPOCRITE!

[@cleftheart1969]

EXACTLY 👏🏾 💯 it's not that he messed up is that he never owned up to it 🤨

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh did BOTH!

[@goingunder2548]

Men saying they want a 'pure' woman always creeps me out, it's like they want to date a child - oh wait

[@LisaKoffler]

Some men are exactly like that! Don't forget child marriage, where a man is MUCH older! That's enough to creep ANYONE out!

[@boci122]

@@cleftheart1969 yep, and that most likely he's been absolved from it some how. And Anna, nothing is wrong with being a mommy who wants to have a lot of kids. But, she once said that dealing with all that Josh did was like being in labor, and just breathing through each contraction. It makes me very sad, that this is the only way she can compare pain.

[@kellyewhiteside709]

Jim bob you protected josh but never protected your daughters. Talking about that in a children’s church

[@LisaKoffler]

The IBLP cult is patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! They're blamed for EVERYTHING, and that alone is absolutely disgusting!

[@punkylynneramone1981]

Favoritism.

[@LisaKoffler]

I couldn't have said it better myself!

[@JessicaT-uu1of]

Exactly. Jim Bob and Josh are sick men.

[@LisaKoffler]

I just wish the two of them could be together in the same jail cell!

[@laureljade3476]

this aged like milk.

[@LisaKoffler]

You said it!

[@07Flash11MRC]

So has Josh himself...

[@LisaKoffler]

YES! Prison can also cause premature aging!

[@divotno]

Oh it was rotten as it was happening we just didn’t know it.

[@orsitheawesome]

Raw milk on a hot day

[@haleypierce82793]

I hope Josh never gets out of prison ever.

[@LisaKoffler]

Cousin Amy hopes the same thing, and so do I!

[@katscratchfever3506]

@@LisaKofflerthen why didn’t cousin Amy say something well before she did? She’s just as sick for keeping that family secret.

[@LisaKoffler]

Kat Scratch Fever, Cousin Amy and her mother, Deanna were "kept in the dark," just like everybody else! After learning the truth, they were angry, and even stopped talking to them! Sometimes, people have to make heartbreaking decisions, and the sickest part is when your relatives aren't straight with you about things like this!

[@ukmary1968]

Maybe he can celebrate shanksgiving

[@LisaKoffler]

WHOA! That's a good one!

[@cynthiaconner8601]

Have you ever kissed someone you thought was it, and after that kiss, you're like "nope not happening." Imagine kissing at the altar, and you're stuck with that person and it ain't stopping at kissing...

[@LisaKoffler]

YUCK! That's one of the reasons I chose to stay a lifelong bachelorette!

[@user-gh2fo9pw2b]

Lol😂you have a point! Plus, I didn't make choices that stuck from a teenager until 25'ish! Thank heavens I didn't get stuck marrying my first crush, yikes! Nor, any other teenage choices that also wouldn't have worked!

[@LisaKoffler]

Shell, I've kissed boys and men, and that doesn't make me "immoral!" Only CULTS think like that!

[@nicolettemoore7711]

The point is in the waiting there's passion. And if the intimacy isn't right you learn and teach each other and have a deeper intimacy in your marriage and more of an open honest intimate communication with each other. It's actually beautiful. Just these cults teach it only with their coined phrases and don't truly explain and express the reasons behind it. It just generic

[@LisaKoffler]

Nicolette Moore, the IBLP cult is called FAKE Christianity, and ALL cults are FAKE! I absolutely agree with you that you need to have SOME intimacy in relationships when considering whether or not to marry someone! MOST people fall in and out of love several times before establishing a lasting relationship!

[@MiniCatMasteFan4547]

The ending said it for me " I won't have to be on my cell phone as much" knowing now what he's into 😡

[@LisaKoffler]

He spent MORE than enough time on his cell phone looking at child pornography! YUCK!

[@LoveKillFear777]

I was just about to comment this. The last sentence has a much darker meaning now that we know the truth. Sick ogre. 🤢

[@LisaKoffler]

kissthestars, Josh was BORN "a sick ogre," and he'll die that way!

[@AmberGNoExcusesMinistries]

The last sentence was very strange but some of your comments were unnecessary. Jesus dying on the cross would be in vain if he didn't do it for Josh too. I hope he repents and truly seeks forgiveness. Remember repentance is turning from a sin. He needed to be jailed.

[@LisaKoffler]

AMBER GARCIA, Josh was BORN "a bad seed," so his parents are only PARTLY to blame! People like Josh are NOT capable of "repenting!" You have to remember that the Duggars are part of Bill Gothard's IBLP cult instead of a REAL church! They use Bill Gothard's IBLP "Cult Bible" instead of the "authentic" Holy Bible that REAL churches use! BOTH God and Jesus Christ HATE cults! Josh only got 12.5 years, and that's NOT long enough!

[@rhichey]

It's weird how much Josh's wife looks like his mom and sisters

[@Nat-lb8nu]

Omg I was literally just about to comment this she looks just like his mom

[@kristenjensen2589]

It's only weird to us, outside the cult, and any other sane person...

[@rhichey]

@@kristenjensen2589 ok lol

[@missmoxie9188]

That IS weird

[@LisaKoffler]

My late parents were lookalikes, but I turned out to favor my father's side of the family!

[@jilliancollins]

That is sick. Jim Bob giving him a book to Josh for his wedding night knowing full well of his past with his sisters . Gross.

[@LisaKoffler]

I watched the wedding episode, and that book Jim Bob gave Josh before the wedding was full of profanity! I thought I was going to be sick! I also learned something about Anna not walking properly during their honeymoon, and I didn't even TRY guessing what Josh did to her on their wedding night! Whatever it was, it had to be BEYOND sadistic! GROSS!

[@amybess]

Remember, they're on TV. TLC wanted us to cringe.

[@LisaKoffler]

TV or no TV, it makes NO difference! It's STILL "cringe" as we speak!

[@aileenmccarthy8660]

Jim Bob saying a woman takes time to get in the mood made me laugh so hard cuz I was thinking, no, your wife is probably just not attracted to you. She’s probably repulsed, and tired from bearing so many kids.

[@sr51463]

According to the IBLP it does not matter if your wife wants to or not or if she is in the mood she has to make herself " Joyfully available" to her husband anytime he wants or she is sinning against god.

[@LisaKoffler]

The IBLP cult is patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! The wives are expected to behave like sex slaves and baby factories! Being "joyfully available" 24/7 is NOT POSSIBLE!

[@indiag89]

It does take time for women to get in the mood. That’s why there’s so many jokes online or women turning their husbands away

[@LisaKoffler]

IndyGirl, I know what you mean! In Jim Bob's case, he's always had bad breath! That's enough for Michelle to turn him away after having 19 kids!

[@hanatemonstas4485]

⁠@@indiag89To be fair, that’s mostly in traditional and conservative circles

[@emilyberry1985]

Imagine never hugging your parent fully, I can’t stop thinking about that every time I see videos of the duggars. They very rarely give each other real hugs. Maybe I’m a physically affectionate person, but I can’t imagine side hugging my mom or dad with space in between the arms, and that’s the only highest form of affection I can expect from them. My parents loved on us, hugged us, and held us.

[@abigailmarshall5302]

It's common once you're an adult. Especially if it's between son and dad

[@LisaKoffler]

I've done BOTH regular and side hugs all my life, and I'm an affectionate person myself!

[@trish3603]

@@abigailmarshall5302Nah, I hug my parents and I’m an adult. And not some fucking side hug bullshit. Genuine hug.

[@dottiesunshine8339]

​@@trish3603"some fucking side hug bullshit" SAY THAT LOUDER 😂 for the unhugged people in the back 😂😂😢

[@trish3603]

@@dottiesunshine8339 YES 😂

[@juliaedlund4107]

At this point he knew what Josh had done to his sisters. Absolutely no excuse for them protecting him.

[@LisaKoffler]

You need to be commended for saying that! There's NO excuse for protecting "Golden Boy!" Thankfully, he's now in prison where he belongs!

[@SomethingSomethingg]

I guess the excuse is they're all part of this ridiculous cult and they probably thought God had SAVED him. Religion is so messed up.

[@SuperSaleAlarm]

1:23 Foreshadowing that they would choose the children's sanctuary to have a discussion about sex 2:51 Josh Duggar admitting to his dad and national TV that he doesn't need pictures of sex (porn) because, "I got enough"

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh got MORE than enough while growing up! I even considered the possibility that Jim Bob and Michelle didn't lock their bedroom door, and Josh snuck in and watched them having sex!

[@drrush3421]

Good pick

[@mariomaker4life312]

Do you know what bewilders me about this whole thing is that the funny thing is is that now that I’m older when I’m watching this because I was like 11 when I watch this I’m not looking back at it and I’m like it’s kind of funny how they only open room in that entire church was the children’s section like it’s just so bad and kind disgusting honestly yes I don’t know if that part was completely coincidental or staged.

[@LisaKoffler]

I watched their TV show to learn how supersized families worked, and I learned that they made their own homemade soap! I asked myself WHY it wasn't used to wash out Josh's brain and mouth! After learning that they're part of Bill Gothard's IBLP cult instead of a REAL church, everything started to make sense after thinking about this scene! It's a miracle I didn't throw up!

[@lolkthnxbai]

My favorite is the "won't be on the cell phone that much" at the end, makes me remember the report of Josh watching porn on his cell phone while driving.

[@jolenepayne1378]

Josh is a MASTER at playing the part; one way w the wife and/or family….AND A COMPLETE PREDATOR WHEN OFF ON HIS OWN🤯🤬😳🤢

[@LisaKoffler]

I've always HATED 2-faced people!

[@evelynjane4354]

He was a predator with the family. Just not when cameras were on. The fact they knew what he did. Then did this talk. Is disgusting.

[@LisaKoffler]

Evelyn Jane, you're absolutely right about that! It's absolutely disgusting in MORE ways than one!

[@Emper0rH0rde]

But he's *not* a master at playing the part. I was *repulsed* by him when my mom and younger sisters watched this show *as it aired,* before *anyone* outside that bubble had *any idea* what Josh had been up to.

[@LisaKoffler]

Ruben T, you're NOT alone! After learning that the Duggars were part of Bill Gothard's IBLP cult instead of a REAL church, along with learning about Josh's crimes, I was shocked beyond belief that he was able to convince Anna's parents that he was son-in-law material!

[@cynthiaconner8601]

One more comment...did you see the irony in Jimbob taking Josh into the kiddie ministry room to talk about sex? He almost slips, "ive had enough....I'll have a working model.

[@allisonalves6967]

Yeah, like?????😳

[@LisaKoffler]

"A working model?" I nearly threw up when Jim Bob gave Josh a book that was full of profanity before he married Anna!

[@CriticalPopulistAnarchist]

I’m late but either way, Josh Duggar’s computer was found to have images and videos of CP.

[@LisaKoffler]

Eddie Broderick, you're NOT late! The Duggars use "Covenant Eyes Software," but the filters weren't strong enough, since Josh was able to get around them! It's absolutely disgusting!

[@CriticalPopulistAnarchist]

@@LisaKoffler that’s not the worst part. The worst part is, he somehow got access to Daisy’s Destruction. If you don’t know what that is, then don’t look it up because it’s VERY DISTURBING.

[@HolyKoolaid]

Josh be like, "Oh, I know all about how that stuff works. Tried it out on my sisters."

[@LisaKoffler]

YUCK! He also abused Anna and ALL 7 kids!

[@LovealwaysCarol]

The more I have seen this video, the more convinced I am that Anna was married off for the financial gain of her entire family. I can't believe he only got 12.5 years.

[@LisaKoffler]

That's NOT the case! The marriages are semi-arranged, meaning that potential future spouses CAN say no! Kaeleigh Holt said no to Josh and Marjorie Jackson said no to Josiah! The IBLP cult has this distorted idea that "marriage fixes everything," and the Duggars especially thought that marriage and parenthood would "cure" Josh of his sick behavior, but he only got worse! The 12.5 year prison sentence is nothing more than "a slap on the wrist!"

[@LisaKoffler]

Anna's parents are worse than the Duggars - especially since they only gave their 8 children 15 minutes per week to talk to them about their feelings! They're part of Bill Gothard's IBLP cult instead of a REAL church! It's patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! Anna WASN'T "married off for financial gain!" The marriages are semi-arranged, meaning that potential future spouses CAN say no! Kaeleigh Holt said no to Josh and Marjorie Jackson said no to Josiah! It's NOT about money, it's about this cult's distorted idea that "marriage fixes everything!" Jim Bob and Michelle thought that marriage and parenthood would "cure" Josh of his disgusting behavior, but he only got worse! I absolutely agree with you that 12.5 years is NOT long enough, and Cousin Amy thinks he should be in prison for life, and so do I!

[@LisaKoffler]

BOTH the Kellers and the Duggars are "money hungry," and the IBLP cult also has this distorted idea that "marriage fixes everything!" Jim Bob and Michelle thought that marriage and parenthood would "cure" Josh of his disgusting behavior, but he only got worse!

[@LisaKoffler]

My late paternal grandmother told me that money can do terrible things to people, and she was right!

[@Rumpelstiltskinsdaughter]

He’s like, Josh I need to talk to you about the Dark web! 😂😂😂

[@rubenbriseno5728]

You can only surf straight sex not gay sex because no no noooo that will bring real shame lol

[@LisaKoffler]

The Duggars used "Covenant Eyes Software," but the filters weren't strong enough - especially since Josh was able to get around them!

[@delilah2839]

Hahaha 😂

[@jamhousestudios5596]

Anna deserves so much better

[@LisaKoffler]

The IBLP cult doesn't allow divorce, despite a few of Anna's siblings doing so! I absolutely agree with you that she deserves so much better, but she's "too abused and brainwashed" to understand that!

[@sweetcanada17]

@@LisaKoffler- and she’s too undereducated to be able to see that. Probably it would also make it ridiculously hard for her to try to make it on her own, without Josh’s family.

[@LisaKoffler]

sweetcanada17, a few of her siblings left the IBLP cult, just like a few of Josh's siblings did, and they DID offer to help her, but she "blocked" everyone! That was her worst mistake, and she's now paying a terrible price!

[@sweetcanada17]

@@LisaKoffler - that’s in big part due to her being undereducated and severely brainwashed.

[@jamhousestudios5596]

@@LisaKofflerI’m a Christian I believe in Jesus. Not ashamed of that. These principles they follow are not God based. These people are insane. Jim bob has completely ruined Michele’s way of thinking and her life and she can’t see it and Josh did exactly that with Anna. It’s insane and dare I say a form of control

[@laurarussellmusic]

Nothing like your dad telling you he wants to talk to you about the "birds and the bees" in front of the woman you're about to marry. So awkward.

[@LisaKoffler]

It's MORE than awkward! It's absolutely disgusting!

[@pantaleimona]

What he needed to "understand", Michelle, should have begun with holding him accountable.

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh was BORN "a bad seed," so his parents are only PARTLY to blame! IF Josh was held accountable the very first time he committed his crimes, everyone's lives would have been so much easier!

[@brittanidoesitall]

Bruh when he said “it’s like legos” 🥴

[@kellyn6123]

Watching that scene all those years ago and knowing what we know now, is just wow. But Josh always weirded me out. I always sensed something was off about him. Apparently I was right.

[@sr51463]

the smugger duggar

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh was always smug, and the proof is in his mugshots!

[@user-gh2fo9pw2b]

How does monster deserve a girl with purity, like Anna, when he wasn't pure? Who wants chewed gum Joshua?

[@LisaKoffler]

YUCK! Josh was BORN a monster, and he'll die that way! He insisted in an interview that he married Anna for her "purity," but he's NOT so "pure" himself! Thankfully, he's now in prison where he belongs!

[@LisaKoffler]

YUCK! Josh was BORN a monster, and he'll die that way! Anna ALWAYS deserved better than him, and it's sad that she's "too abused and brainwashed" by the IBLP cult to understand that!

[@LisaKoffler]

YUCK! Josh insisted in an interview that he married Anna for her "purity!"

[@user-gh2fo9pw2b]

@@LisaKoffler Soooo disgustinggg 🤢 What really upsets me is that thee girls are all brainwashed about purity, Daddy even gives them a purity ring 🤮 yet, some family member in the cult steals their purity. That has to be devastating to these girls! Their whole worth for a future spouse has been taken from them! When the girls are on their monthly cycle, they are supposed to leave a lamp on, you know, cuz the men won't have relations with them cuz men feel its dirty. Look at the Willis family, they had a show on TLC, they were a family band, big family, home schooling etc. Well the one daughter turned her Dad in for SA. Husband and wife type penetration SA. Come to find out, it was also happening to her other sisterssss anddddd brotherssss! Yup, Daddy is in prison ☺ Same with some polygamist cults, Amish.Too many to name! Homeschooling is a big cover for every kind of abuse! My cousin home school her 2 kids, the kids excel, are in co-ops. But, I feel there should be a national standard of guidelines and tricky psychological tests should be adminstered in a facility, at random times, to check in on these children. Josh is so sick, how many victims does he really have? He was always surrounded by young kids and babies. Remember cousin Emily was on the show as Anna's Momma helper. Poof, that teenaged cousin just vanished. Evaporated! That's about the age he likes them!

[@moneekodunze7602]

Sometimes you won’t get the “main point” 🤯 How dismissive!

[@LisaKoffler]

People in cults are exactly that way!

[@valoriebritton2047]

Anna could write a tell all about Josh and the duggars, and then be able to support her kid's..and, divorce Josh!

[@LisaKoffler]

The IBLP cult doesn't allow divorce, despite a few of Anna's siblings doing so! She has to leave the cult first in order to divorce Josh, but she loves him TOO MUCH more than their 7 kids, and it's absolutely disgusting! She's also NOT smart enough to even CONSIDER writing a book! It's tragic!

[@jannabailey5262]

Anna's father knew all about what Josh did. Even with that knowledge he signed his daughter off to the Jim Bob cult.

[@sr51463]

Sure. He wanted to glom on to the Duggar fame and fortune. The Kellers were living very poor in a tiny house.

[@LisaKoffler]

Anna's parents are worse than the Duggars - especially since they only gave their 8 children 15 minutes per week to talk to them about their feelings! Bill Gothard founded his IBLP cult and he makes the rules, and Jim Bob Duggar and Michael Keller take "orders" from him, and that means it's called "The Bill Gothard Cult!" BOTH of them were very poor, and Anna WASN'T "signed off," because the marriages are semi-arranged, meaning that potential future spouses CAN say no! Kaeleigh Holt said no to Josh and Marjorie Jackson said no to Josiah! This cult has the distorted idea that "marriage fixes everything," and Jim Bob and Michelle thought that marriage and parenthood would "cure" Josh of his disgusting behavior, but he only got worse! When Josh cheated on Anna, her father said: "Well, King David had an affair." They don't allow divorce, despite a few of Anna's siblings doing so! It's absolutely disgusting!

[@LisaKoffler]

It's called the Bill Gothard Cult! That's because Bill Gothard founded his IBLP cult in 1961, and he makes the rules, and Jim Bob takes "orders" from him, and so does Michael Keller! He did NOT "sign Anna off!" The marriages are semi-arranged, meaning that potential future spouses CAN say no! Kaeleigh Holt said no to Josh and Marjorie Jackson said no to Josiah! BOTH the Duggars and the Kellers started out poor, but this cult teaches that "marriage fixes everything!" Josh was BORN "a bad seed," so his parents are only PARTLY to blame! They had this distorted idea that marriage and parenthood would "cure" Josh of his disgusting behavior, but he only got worse! Thankfully, he's now in prison where he belongs!

[@LisaKoffler]

It's the Bill Gothard cult! He founded his IBLP cult and he makes the rules, and Jim Bob Duggar and Mike Keller take "orders" from him! Money or no money, it makes NO difference! Anna was already in love with Josh, and he DID tell her about his past, but neither she nor her parents gave marrying him a second thought! It's absolutely disgusting!

[@LisaKoffler]

You mean Anna's father signed her off to the Bill Gothard cult! Bill Gothard founded his IBLP cult and he makes the rules, and Jim Bob and Michael Keller take "orders" from him! Money or no money, it makes NO difference, because Anna's father is SICK!

[@IndigoRoses7]

Maybe Josh should get a copy of that book for his new life with Big Bubba in the prison cell. He's somebody's "buddy" in there now

[@user-gh2fo9pw2b]

"JB....That you will go and be sensitive to her." Josh: I didnt hear that part, Dad, think I had wax in my ears. And, I have amnesia about the loyalty song.

[@LisaKoffler]

WOW! MANY people have their own ideas on what Jim Bob and Josh said to each other, and your ideas gave me a good laugh!

[@danabaker996]

Jim Bob does a lot of blinking when talking and is uncomfortable. I suspect Jim Bob has a few secrets of his own. Josh didn’t get individual attention - breeding ground for a predator. Then his parents covered for his horrible deeds early on Porn and molestation). Then it escalated to full blown sexual deviancy.

[@RoyalBlue4486]

Josh DID get individual attention though. More than any other Duggar kid has every gotten. He was always treated as special and chosen.

[@Lovedlittledove]

I’ve never seen a grown man so uncomfortable with talk about sex… we as a family are religious which is why we know to talk to our kids openly and appropriately so they can’t protect themselves and know when they are ready. This family is so warped.

[@LisaKoffler]

Jim Bob and Michelle made the decision to join Bill Gothard's IBLP cult instead of a REAL church! Josh was BORN "a bad seed," so his parents are only PARTLY to blame! EVERYONE has secrets, and Jim Bob is NO exception! I was 12 when my late mother discussed sex with me, and I was shocked and furious that most of the other kids at school didn't know as much about sex as I did, since their parents didn't talk to them like my own mother did, and I'm forever thankful that she wasn't uncomfortable discussing sex with me! As for Josh, he was "Golden Boy," since Jim Bob and Michelle loved him TOO MUCH, and now that he's in prison, Jim Bob is stuck paying his legal fees!

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh was BORN "a bad seed," so his parents are only PARTLY to blame! Josh was the "Golden Boy," and his parents loved him MORE than their other 18 kids! As for talking about sex, many people are taught that it's "a taboo subject" that can be discussed on your wedding day, but not before, and IF their daughters come home pregnant, they "punish" them! In the case of the IBLP cult, EVERYTHING - especially sex - is "warped!"

[@NicoleShalan-ue3yw]

Josh practiced on his sisters, & the parents knew. ☠️

[@LisaKoffler]

YUCK! Josh didn't "practice" on his sisters, but he STILL inappropriately touched them!

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh didn't have sex with 4 of his sisters, he touched them inappropriately!

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh DID touch his 4 sisters, but he didn't have sex with them!

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh didn't "practice" having sex with his sisters, but his parents DID know that he had issues!

[@isabelled.7732]

“It’s like legos.”

[@LisaKoffler]

"Legos?" I don't think so!

[@nineinchthread]

I feep like the parents also deserve the blame

[@smittykins]

They should have turned Josh in and gotten him real help the first time it happened.

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh was BORN "a bad seed," so his parents are only PARTLY to blame! People like Josh can't be rehabilitated, and they should have turned Josh over to the police the very first time he committed his crimes!

[@evelynjane4354]

@@LisaKofflerthe cult they are in pretty much teaches boys to be that way.

[@LisaKoffler]

Evelyn Jane, the IBLP cult is called FAKE Christianity! It's patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! It's absolutely disgusting!

[@LisaKoffler]

Evelyn Jane, the IBLP cult is patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! Thankfully, there's only 1 Josh Duggar! Hopefully, his 9 younger brothers thought about his behavior, and are trying not to repeat his mistakes! John-David said in an interview that he told Josh he didn't want to be like him anymore, and Joseph was devastated that Josh led a double life!

[@whereisCarmenSandiego]

Knowing what we know now- the fact that they chose to have this crash course on sexuality in the JUNIOR CHURCH (aka children’s church) makes me sick

[@laurawoods-roller5331]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@BillyAlabama]

This family needs professional help. With the way dad just ignored the situation you can’t count on him to do the righ thing. Straight jackets will be required. Bring assorted sizes.

[@LisaKoffler]

Don't you mean life jackets to avoid drowning? Jill is getting professional help for her own mental health, and I wished her siblings joined her!

[@patriciaburger8138]

This did not age well. There is so much to unpack that is wrong about this segment. JB deciding it was time to instruct Josh on ‘the birds and the bees’ when he KNEW his son had abused his younger sisters and ignored that! Just happily marrying his pedophile son off to some poor, meek, unsuspecting girl! And then selecting the JUNIOR Church room to have their father son sex talk! JB telling his son that women communicate differently and implying it’s pretty well next to impossible to understand the point a woman is making. Ugh🤮

[@Music4EverKanekavi]

"sometimes women talk so many details, you dont even see their point, i pray you find that point" WTFFF

[@LisaKoffler]

Jim Bob is NOT as smart as he thinks he is, and neither is Josh! They BOTH need to be in the same jail cell!

[@kristenjensen2589]

Why is Josh nearly on the floor while Jim Bob is looming over him like the biblical patriarch he thinks he is?

[@LisaKoffler]

Bill Gothard founded his IBLP cult and he makes the rules, and Jim Bob takes "orders" from him! He THINKS he's "God," but he isn't!

[@LisaKoffler]

Bill Gothard founded his IBLP cult and he makes the rules, and Jim Bob takes "orders" from him! WHY Josh is "nearly on the floor is anyone's guess, and BOTH Jim Bob and Bill Gothard think they're "gods," but they're NOT!

[@LisaKoffler]

Bill Gothard founded his IBLP cult and he makes the rules, and Jim Bob takes "orders" from him! What you're seeing is CULT behavior, and it's sickening! Bill Gothard is a false prophet, and he THINKS he's "God," but he isn't, and neither is Jim Bob!

[@dullaverage1667]

Yeah, such weird camera angles here. Nearly Hitchcock inspired. JBs voice is so oddly mannered. Plus his truths and wisdoms are dismissive and downright peculiar. 'Gotta listen to her some, before you two........well ya know' grin one chuckle. hands J the puny book. At least they didn't toss in the humping on the pee-wee golf course. ptl.

[@gyges5495]

Aww so innocent - then convicted of child pornography

[@jamhousestudios5596]

He already knows about the birds and the bees. And the flowers and trees

[@LisaKoffler]

YES HE DOES!

[@hxnter3305]

And cheese pizza

[@LisaKoffler]

And his porn addiction

[@andrerogers9961]

Putting the candle into the candle holder is pretty much it.

[@LisaKoffler]

YUCK!

[@boldwarrior2196]

Birds and bees at that age really

[@LisaKoffler]

That's how CULTS work!

[@Lollilocks888]

3:05 “It’s not about getting everything you want when you want it.” The fact that even had to be clarified 💀

[@taracat7723]

Lovely Anna....stuck now with kids and a prisoned husband who is a SO..too bad

[@telltale9072]

She isn’t stuck She chooses to wait on him

[@LisaKoffler]

She's "stuck by choice," since she loves Josh TOO MUCH more than their 7 kids! It's sickening!

[@girloffaith16]

This aged like milk. Anna, GET OUT

[@katscratchfever3506]

“I got a little present I’m gonna give him…” is is another one of your daughters?

[@LisaKoffler]

Let's hope that's NOT the case! Josh abused Anna and ALL 7 kids!

[@joanna7350]

I want to punch Jim Blob and Josh into oblivion right now. Seeing this scene, knowing what he know now, makes my blood boil.

[@LisaKoffler]

You're NOT alone! Cult or no cult, this sort of thing is STILL inexcusable!

[@markg0410]

Realizing what this kid did (and was going to do in the future) makes it all the more creepy.

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh was BORN a creep, and he'll die that way!

[@laurad324]

Adult chairs but he has Josh sit in kid chair for the sex book.

[@LisaKoffler]

I couldn't BELIEVE he did that! I thought I was going to be sick after learning that the sex book was full of profanity!

[@caseycat]

​​@@LisaKofflerwhat do you mean "profanity"? Like are they cussing like sailors in the book? Honestly the book is not as bad as it sounds, aside from some weirdness and bizarre chapters, it's pretty explicit in its descriptions which is to be expected for a book about how wedding nights go. I find Josh Duggar's actions FAR more profane then a book about sex written by an old Christian man.

[@LisaKoffler]

caseycat, yes! That's EXACTLY what I mean! As for the Duggars, they use Bill Gothard's IBLP "Cult Bible" instead of the "authentic" Holy Bible that REAL churches use! Josh was BORN "a bad seed," so his actions really are FAR more profane! Bill Gothard is what's called a false prophet, and the Duggars worship him, NOT God Himself!

[@LisaKoffler]

Absolutely! Bill Gothard NEVER married and had kids, and that's NOT surprising, since I can't imagine anyone that would want him for a husband and a father!

[@wishingyoupeace]

This is what happens with porn addiction. Leads to increasing perverse desires.

[@madie3199]

I can’t believe how weird this is. I didn’t think it was weird at the time but is was. Josh is so disgusting.

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh was BORN "a bad seed," so his parents are only PARTLY to blame! I always thought Josh was "unrealistic" in his thinking when it came to marriage, and he insisted in an interview that he married Anna for her "purity," but he's NOT so "pure" himself! His hypocrisy alone is absolutely disgusting!

[@wangson]

I wonder how long it took for Michelle to appreciate Jim Bob's "cherishing" of her corn wagon...

[@LisaKoffler]

"Corn Wagon?" YUCK! I think Jim Bob just appreciated Michelle giving him 19 kids!

[@boci122]

I didn't think too much about this wedding when I first saw it. Yes they were very young, but they were both legally adults, so as cringey as saw it, it was their business. But looking back now, their campy wedding, the way Josh kept driving home the fact that he wanted Anna to be a virgin, and the creepy opera singing.....gahhh... Also in like the next episode, when they are on their honeymoon in Florida, they stayed at this beach house, that had like three bedrooms and Josh was just grinning like a crazy person when he told the show how he and Anna had sex in every one of the bedrooms. And she looked so embarrassed, and like she never wanted to that many times so soon, but he made her, and bragged about it like a middle schooler...

[@macseth]

The candle into the candle holder

[@LisaKoffler]

YUCK!

[@tegtots]

I think we can all agree that the real crime was the matching hideous striped polo shirts. (Obviously I am being facetious; this entire thing, especially in context, is beyond gross).

[@markryaniversen]

Raising kids like this is abuse. Sheltering your kids from everything. As young boys, you see boobs (btw, Im gay) and giggle. As you get older, you do things to self. So if you dont allow your kids to even see someone's knee, I would think Josh used his sisters as his "experience." I say that word because a normal teen looks at porn or something like that and turn out normal. Having him sheltered and not seeing anything I think made him the way he is. I think the parents should be prosecuted for withholding the info and letting "prayer" camp be a punishment.

[@nancydrew1882]

I actually agree with you. The parents created this monster. Afterwards they still sheltered him! Such a disgrace!

[@FatMarioHeads]

They also protected him from facing the consequences of his actions when he started touching his own younger sisters, instead of doing the right thing by having him go to juvie they had him have a “heart to heart” talk with a cop friend who also ended up being a nonce. Dude was a ticking time bomb when it came to being caught doing what he did, all you can hope at this point is he didn’t hurt his own kids before he was sent to prison, but considering what he did to his own sisters and the fact that his family likes to sweep abuse under the rug, it’s unfortunately possible he did

[@AdelineCowgirl]

Porn is not normal. It's extremely fake and gives people unrealistic expectations. It's actually linked to all sorts of sexual dysfunction

[@bigdave9949]

Are you mentally ok?

[@RoyalBlue4486]

While his parents have to share in the blame, something is mentally wrong with Josh. He has some kind of personality disorder. I truly believe he would have turned out the same no matter who his parents were

[@jamhousestudios5596]

Holy hell he did everything opposite of what his dad said he’d hope Josh would do. And I mean everything.

[@RoyalBlue4486]

What a farce. JB should be ashamed of himself for putting this scene together.

[@LisaKoffler]

With Josh in prison, Jim Bob is stuck paying his legal fees! Serves him right!

[@JenJean1234]

So disgusting to hear this conversation on purity and JB "teaching" him the facts of life, all the while knowing his son Josh had molested his little sisters and a babysitter. Such shameful hypocrisy! 🤮

[@LisaKoffler]

I've always HATED hypocrites!

[@iantempleton313]

Knowing what we know now, this is beyond sick to watch. Also, how TH can you marry someone and never even kissed?! Makes no sense.

[@LisaKoffler]

Now THAT'S the million dollar question! I know that SOME "old-fashioned" people wait until after accepting the marriage proposal to have their first kiss! I've kissed boys and men, but that doesn't make me "immoral!"

[@laceysutton142]

It's not a bad thing. It's just really bad after knowing what Josh has done.

[@LisaKoffler]

Everyone KNEW what Josh did, and covering it up and NOT taking it seriously enough was their worst mistake!

[@MM-jf1me]

​@@LisaKofflerWas Anna aware beforehand?

[@LisaKoffler]

M M, Yes! Josh DID tell her about his past, but neither she nor her parents gave marrying him a second thought! It's sickening!

[@eo9337]

I agree, it’s not a bad thing (the conversation that they had) it’s just bad knowing what Josh had done and how they hadn’t taken seriously the harm that was caused.

[@MM-jf1me]

@@LisaKoffler 🤢

[@jbchristine5846]

This makes me cringe 😖 Go Jim Bob with your acting when your sick son is playing the “ good Christian Boy” 🤮

[@LisaKoffler]

It's a FAKE act, but convincing enough to fool Anna's parents into thinking he was son-in-law material!

[@dominoep]

I found this by searching "Fundie baby voice" after hearing Republican Senator Katie Britt. 😂

[@LisaKoffler]

YUCK! Everyone complains about Michelle's FAKE voice, and it sounds like Katie Britt is equally horrible!

[@landrieadams9510]

"I'll have a working model." 🤮🤮🤮

[@LisaKoffler]

YUCK!

[@LisaKoffler]

That book Jim Bob gave Josh was full of profanity, and I thought I was going to be sick!

[@laurad324]

This all worked out so well…

[@LisaKoffler]

That's true!

[@CEDL4072]

This aged like milk lol

[@LisaKoffler]

You said it!

[@rockhaven4435]

I guess I have mixed feelings about this. Jim Bob is giving his son solid fatherly advice as he's about to get married, which is nice to see. But knowing Josh's history and what came out after this scene was shot, this is kinda cringy.

[@neon_bite]

Not kissing before marriage is fucking wild.

[@jamhousestudios5596]

Why does this sounds like a scene from American pie where Jim and his dad talk. It’s embarrassing and knowing how it all ends it’s sad that Anna really didn’t have a choice and she’s completely unaware

[@LisaKoffler]

Anna DID have a choice, but she was taught to think that she didn't!

[@surfergirl2943]

This is SO WILD 😂😂😂😂 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@LisaKoffler]

IT'S SICKENING!

[@wishingyoupeace]

Poor Anna. She believed all this crup.

[@boldwarrior2196]

Should be talking like that for years before not day before wedding really

[@LisaKoffler]

Some cultures consider sex "a taboo subject" that can be discussed on your wedding day, but NOT before! It's sickening!

[@SomethingSomethingg]

I knew that there was something going on because no family. Is this happy and perfect, especially a large family like this. Whenever you have a large family, there's always going to be serious problems.

[@alishawilkinson3651]

JB said, "It's gonna be a dynamic marriage.". It certainly is!

[@mariaferreras4369]

How sad. The whole mess!

[@LisaKoffler]

That's because they're part of Bill Gothard's IBLP cult instead of a REAL church!

[@LisaKoffler]

It's ALWAYS been that way!

[@Rumpelstiltskinsdaughter]

Oh CRINGE! All CAPS!!!!!

[@LisaKoffler]

I agree!

[@Peacelove1981]

poor anna❤

[@goodcommunitylife]

Josh is a “pathetic” excuse for a father and as a husband! Anna needs to leave Josh in order to protect their children and set a good example! Her children probably already think by now that it is OK to still be with your spouse when they hurt and abuse children.

[@mnsohseven]

Actually good advice

[@tomhoffman8678]

Some wholesome impure marriage they should have never kept what Josh did a secret if Anna's family had knew about what happened before that they probably would have never let her marry Josh

[@LisaKoffler]

Anna's parents are worse than the Duggars - especially since they only gave their 8 children 15 minutes per week to talk to them about their feelings! The Holts helped their daughter, Kaeleigh break up with Josh and they ended their friendship with the Duggars after Jim Bob and Michelle admitted to them that they wanted to use their daughter as "a carrot" to teach Josh proper behavior! The Kellers "stepped up to the plate" after that! Josh told Anna about his past, but neither she nor her parents gave marrying him a second thought, and it's absolutely disgusting!

[@lindabishop7824]

Josh getting the sex book from Jim Bob when he knew damn good and well that Josh had been watching porn is the first big lie.

[@Heyhappy-wj2gp]

And he give it to him in the junior church too 🤐😵‍💫🤢

[@LisaKoffler]

I always had this idea that Jim Bob and Michelle didn't lock their bedroom door, and Josh snuck in and watched them having sex!

[@LisaKoffler]

The IBLP cult is called FAKE Christianity! That sex book that Jim Bob gave Josh was full of profanity, and I thought I was going to be sick!

[@LisaKoffler]

Jim Bob is NOT as smart about sex as he thinks he is!

[@mlebrooks]

First kiss across the altar

[@LisaKoffler]

NO WAY!

[@NEDMKitten]

Aged like Milk

[@LisaKoffler]

You said it!

[@pinkcats7533]

How sickening!

[@triciaavery3888]

I think by this time he already knew what to do, word on the street was he was SA his sisters long before he said I DO to her but of course nobody talked about that on the show 🤡 they thought him getting married was gonna fix his disgusting behavior 👺

[@sr51463]

I wonder if he waited for Anna to fall asleep on his wedding night then snuck into the room and touched her ,,,,,lol

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh was BORN "a bad seed," and the IBLP cult has the distorted idea that "marriage fixes everything!" Jim Bob and Michelle especially thought marriage and parenthood would "cure" Josh of his disgusting behavior, but he only got worse! As for the wedding night, I learned something about Anna not walking properly during the honeymoon, and I didn't even TRY guessing what Josh did to her on their wedding night! Whatever it was, it had to be BEYOND sadistic!

[@julietchristman1389]

Poor Anna probably thought she was going to be the example of all the daughters in her family and the duggers... she is stronger than most to keep loving him and trying to continue to be faithful to him.. I don't think I would make the same choice but I hope she is happy with her choice..

[@zoeemuckle9741]

Is no one going to talk about how when he revived the book and Jim bob said there’s no picture in a “sex book” and he said awww man!?!?! Girl he was charged with possession of CP

[@LisaKoffler]

"There's no picture in a sex book?" That's ridiculous! ALL sex books have pictures in them! Thankfully, Josh is now in prison where he belongs!

[@thinkmirror8507]

Poor Anna ❤ led to slaughter

[@user-ur8fn6we7w]

LEGGOS!😅

[@firewalkwifme]

The way you know him and Jim Bob were snickering about this in the most sinister way, knowing all along Josh knows very well about s3x and has done enough horrible things by this time. Also I noticed how Josh says "I think I kinda understand how it works...I think I learned that from-" and is cut off by Jim Bob saying "it's kinda like legos".

[@LisaKoffler]

They're BOTH sick!

[@nicholasyong7051]

Unless their kids....

[@LisaKoffler]

Unless their kids WHAT? MOST of them are breaking away from the IBLP cult, and that's a good thing!

[@elliekate7824]

Part of me thinks he didn’t need that birds and the bees talk…😒

[@LisaKoffler]

He didn't, since I learned something about him finding and looking at X-Rated magazines!

[@Los-pf3bi]

These people sicken me!

[@risefromtheashes6623]

He looks like he's 12

[@LisaKoffler]

REALLY? The same thing was said about Justin when he married Claire! He was 18 and she was 19, and MANY people complained about them being "too young," when they were legal adults!

[@dayaizsexy]

The parents set him up for failure...allowing him to stay in the home after his misconduct towards his own sisters! You can see how disgustingly antsy and anxious he is to be alone with this poor unsuspecting woman on their wedding night. Traumatized into thinking this is the way marriage works.

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh was BORN "a bad seed," and his parents set ALL of their 19 kids up for failure! I learned something about Anna not walking properly during their honeymoon, and I didn't even TRY guessing what Josh did to her on their wedding night! Whatever it was, it had to be BEYOND sadistic, since he DOES have a history of being violent in the bedroom!

[@jenniferhanson3671]

the book clip made me cringe watching it back then, still does, but it's also sick. There was a video of the parents of Josh's first "girlfriend" where the Dad asks Jim Bob if they wanted them to get married to forget about the molesting of his sisters and Jim Bob's answer "Well, yeah, kind of." Sick! 🤢 🤬

[@LisaKoffler]

You can't forget sexual abuse by getting married! The abuse alone stays with people for life!

[@jenniferhanson3671]

@@LisaKoffler I agree! I've been abused by an ex. When another relationship didn't work out, my Dad actually said to me: "You talked about John too much. That's why he broke up with you." I didn't talk about my ex at all. So surprised by my Dad's comment. ☹

[@LisaKoffler]

Jennifer Hanson, some parents THINK they know everything, but they don't always see what's REALLY going on, and your dad was WAY out of line by accusing you of a crime you didn't commit! "John" clearly had NO respect for you and your dad makes assumptions without knowing facts, but you didn't explain what the other relationship was like! Whatever the case, I'm just glad you got out of those terrible situations!

[@grumpycat2489]

That convo should not have been recorded …. Anything for a buck

[@LisaKoffler]

That's Jim Bob for you!

[@DoctorJoanieTool]

SICK

[@johannabender4998]

What an act! Disgusting.

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh is a perverted, disgusting pig!

[@LisaKoffler]

Somehow, Josh was able to convince Anna's parents that he was son-in-law material, and that's absolutely disgusting!