The Abyssal Crusade - When The Imperium Invaded The Eye Of Terror At The Behest Of A Chaos Saint

[@frankfrankerson782]

"What the fuck, they're not allowed to do that!" - Abbadon when he's on the recieving end of a crusade.

[@Jamhael1]

"What part of 'No world beyond my rule. No enemy beyond my wrath' you didn't understood?" - Emperor of Mankind

[@shadowofhawk55]

FAILABBADON!!! (Kharn kicks down the door!!

[@jacthing1]

​@@shadowofhawk55Abbadon: *girlish scream*

[@Archon3960]

His lore-friendly (non-memey) reaction would probably have been laughing his ass off. That, or the "Crusade" was a blimp on Chaos' radar. ;/

[@Randy-jw3vh]

What's he gonna do? Cry to his daddy. 😂

[@stephenconroy5908]

Zapp: "We made it through Kif! How many men did we lose?" "All of them." "Well at least they won't be able to mourn each other."

[@bc9402]

To be fair to this idea, the crusade Surprisgly did cause quite of bit damage and razed quite a few demon worlds. Now in the grand scheme of things, this is pointless as the warp is basically infinite as far as mankind is concerned, but hey, they got further than what anyone expected. Credit where credit is due.

[@robertnelson9599]

If the Crusade was legitimate, a better idea would have those 30 chapters wait around Cadia so they could help stop future Black Crusades.

[@irontemplar6222]

Its far from pointless, but the issue is that the marines in question didn't really know what they were doing. I mean originally the Eldar actually successfully captured the Eye of Terror during the 13th black crusade before it all got retconnium.

[@elysiankentarchy1531]

​@robertnelson9599 the Imperium already tried that. Something like a third or a fourth of the involved chapters went Chaotic.

[@totalNERD-eo7wx]

@@elysiankentarchy1531 I believe that would be the Astartes Praesus founding, which _"only"_ 1/10 fell to chaos corruption

[@catsareevil101]

It needs mentioned that before this crusade the traitor legions had fallen into one of their periods of fighting each other rather then raiding the Imperium for the most part. Where as after the Crusade rampaged through their backyards they are alleged to have started attacking the realm of mortals more often. The inquisition flat out denies this version of events, but make of that what you will the crusade was a massive net loss to humanity. EDIT: The ending of the story never made a bit of sense to me either, so full points for discussing that.

[@Rellana1]

The story makes no sense to me. Trying something like this with say the Dark Templars would result in a immediate revolt. They've been known to disappear inquisitors that pried where they weren't wanted. Going to war with them has been done before,by the Space Wolves,and that didn't end well for the Inquistion.

[@bushraahmed386]

! Ñbhuk opppytf

[@KalashVodka175]

Honestly it wasn’t a net loss. Its a huge symbolic show off that even those who hide in the darkest reaches aren’t fully safe from Imperial retribution.

[@gp-1542]

Given how much the inquisition lies about their own history, for good reason, i have a feeling they realize that them burning the enemies backyards might just remind them “oh hey those bastards are still alive”

[@jayturbo3844]

@@KalashVodka175​​⁠it’s one of if not the largest ever gathering of Astartes since the Horus Heresy with just about the combined strength of three entire legions being almost entirely wiped out/getting corrupted (also the largest corruption of loyalist Astartes since the Heresy). Chaos would welcome the Imperium trying to enact this sort of retribution more often

[@Fulgrim2]

You just know the Four in the warp took a few moments to laugh their asses off at this.

[@EXRazeBurn]

Honestly the timing of that gargantuan fleet the instant the Judged entered the Warp in and of itself is pretty damning to Bassillius. There is NO WAY the forces of Chaos could have compelled THAT many of their divisive and contrary forces into that immense of a fighting force unless they KNEW for a fact the exact time and place the forces of the Corpse Emperor were going to be. The bastard played everyone.

[@agnaraed]

A video on which chapters have actually SURVIVED penitent crusades and how would be cool. Like how the Blood Swords were sentenced and the Star Dragons, the absolute bros, joined them on it willingly out of the bond of honor between the two.

[@Archon3960]

Or the "Heretical" Chapters in the Badab War. 😎

[@Marinealver]

Laminators

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

⁠@@Marinealverwho the heck are the Laminators??? Do they laminate things?

[@mbp1652]

​@@Azorees-oj5zrlet's just say they have a run of bad luck....

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

@@mbp1652 so they’re cousins of the Lamenters?

[@Lalle524]

It only took 7 years for you to finally cover the Abyssal Crusade after talking about it aaaaaaaall the way back in 2016's introduction to 40K.

[@victoriencharnot555]

Maybe we'll soon get the video on Malekith that he mentionned in... What... 2018 I think ...? Edit : I checked he actually mentionned in november 2019 when doing the Shadow Warriors so it's been merely 4 years

[@Archon3960]

Hey, you kept track. Congrats! 😊

[@kieranh2005]

Well, he's been a little busy doing little things, short videos like... Vraks.

[@elysiankentarchy1531]

The Loremaster is never early, this is an established fact.

[@akuinator6350]

Whatever you think about the strategic rationality of this military endeavor, you have to admit that it makes a lot more sense than Erda deciding to just throw unprotected infant demigods into that same place because it was that time of the month or something.

[@M_Giga]

The greatest woman moment in the 40k universe

[@fus132]

"Erda?" Sounds like cringe fanfiction to me. Don't bring up non-cannon please.

[@NChia-fr4ll]

I think her being a bad parent fits well in the Big E family

[@ryanreyes4622]

because growing up in comfort to wage a war to unite humanity was cruel and unusual

[@darkwater72]

​@@fus132 Erda is definitely canon. She's in the Siege of Terra series.

[@robertwalker5794]

Arch in his Eye of Terror lore vid: “I think I’ll make an Abyssal Crusade video at 60k subscribers” *7 years later and at 200k+ subscribers* releases Abyssal Crusade video Never change Arch old boy. Never change.

[@NDA8666]

Someone needs to tally up every time Arch has done this lol ngl it's a nice Easter egg everytime I listen to one of his older videos 😂

[@SirMarshalHaig]

Fascinating to think, that the warp is the dark mirror of the galaxy, but the Eye is a mirror of the Imperium. Just like the dark crusades, this bright one had to fight against a well defended entry point, like Cadia but seemingly only fleet based, so that a few remains of the crusade could break through and attack an entire dark Imperium of worlds in a reverse of Abaddon´s crusades.

[@THINKMACHINE]

The one big thing that proves the saint was an operative of chaos is simply that he brought massive, sweeping change. A certain chaos god would very much like that, whether the change is for the worse or not is irrelevant. Whether the man even knew that his actions served chaos is irrelevant.

[@TheHej2]

Through the gates of hell As we make our way to heaven Through the Chaos lines Imperium victoria

[@KyleJordanGaming]

Hypno-training for years, now we’re ready- Deep Strike! As The Abyssal Crusade begins, We’re the first Barge through Warp, shields the first ones to fall, Yet Void Shields have fallen before! In The Warp they will pay- with their souls as the price, Honour Rolls written today, In this hellish dimension, know his Light still remains! Astartes- advance through the breach! Fire the Broadside, a torrent of shells, Emperor calls- The Traitors will fall! Through the Rift to Hell, As we fight our way to Heaven, At The Emperor’s side! *Terra Victoria!* 🤘

[@mikewaterfield3599]

Bruva Alphabusa had the best line on Goge VanDire. His name screams cartoonish bad guy.

[@thechazz3230]

What i find most absurd & grimderp about The Abyssal Crusade is that there is not a single word of any large scale space marine tardrage in response to it. Like i refuse to believe that there would be any less than 100 individual chapters to either threaten, or fully commit to open rebellion after hearing 30 fucking chapters were wrongfully forced into a Penitent Crusade. Hell The Templar & Fists should have immediately went full tard rage upon hearing this shit. The Sons of Dorn fucking despise mortal tomfoolery like no one else.

[@bc9402]

To be fair, the inquisition did their whole edict on the man responsible and the guy in question was already dead. As for the space marine chapters that went in, remember that they choose to do this, as a lot folks trusted saint basilicus. So even if the other chapters got mad, what is there to get mad at? The main culprit is dead, and your fellow cousins in a manner of speaking, did this to themselves. As for the mortal admistration, that was 8 centuries ago. Tragic as it is, there is nothing that can be done.

[@Archon3960]

​@@bc9402Plus, the Vorpal Swords had already killed everyone. 😊

[@silent_stalker3687]

It’s a big place To spread word you have to compete with both space and time, so yeah taxation really is the best method to know if a world is in trouble or not And marines don’t pay taxes

[@MistuhRobe]

I like to think that the Judged survivors that reemerged did have concrete intel of Basillius' treason, the fact that he was alive, and where he currently lived; and that they were arrested for investigation by the Inquisition. But during their time in custody, the Astartes knew that he was still alive and didn't want to wait potentially years or decades, during which time he may slip away- especially if the forces of Chaos knew the Judged had that aforementioned intel. So they managed to escape custody, jetted off to Bassilius' palace to assault it, and when the Inquisition inevitably caught up with them, they saw all the Chaos paraphernalia about his abode and had all the proof they needed. The Vorpal Swords' and others' survival could be repayment for their glorious- if radical- actions.

[@WR288]

I'm surprised they found 30 Emperor worshipping Chapters willing to even entertain this. Suspect most Astartes would've told the Church to stick that idea up somewhere very unpleasant the second after hearing it...

[@thorveim1174]

the space wolves at the very LEAST would have laughed the demand away. And the Dark Angels, especially so close to the heresy.. oboi

[@shanehudson3995]

They didn't. The Head of the Church was a heretic and condemned them to do it. Most fell to Chaos.

[@Archon3960]

You'd be surprised at how quickly most Astartes Chapters accused of Heresy would jump on the chance to clean their name. Short story, Warp Storms occured in their home turfs, and the Ecclesiarchy accused them of being impure. Their Chapter Masters proposed a Crusade of Penitence, and Basileus said "Good idea, but you'll have to go into the Eye of Terror!" And then, hijinks ensued. 😂

[@Psychoangel-d23]

@@thorveim1174 it´d be in the lines of "Oh look he mysteriously died. what a shame." and that would have been the end of it.

[@NovaXXX7]

The chosen of the Dark Princess are blessed with supernatural charisma.

[@_Ekaros]

30000 space marines seems like awful waste to throw away...

[@ChazTheYouthful]

Don't worry they are all wonderfully tended for in the warp under the kind and pleasant authority of the blood god, the bdsm god, and the disease god.

[@moxtordoki96]

​@@ChazTheYouthfulwhat about the squid god

[@JustSomeWeirdo]

@@moxtordoki96we don’t talk about Bruno

[@Anbutou]

Especially vs a force that counts that number as initial contact losses

[@logangrimnar3800]

Well, they couldn't send 40k marines. It would be a bit too other nose now, wouldn't it?

[@KiithnarasAshaa]

"For what purpose would one ever ever go into supreme-death-hell to do anything? ...Unless you are an Ultramarine or something." - Big E

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Noice TTS reference. Outstanding. Love it.

[@jacthing1]

If emps had heard about this from Kitten...well Terra probably would have ceased to exist

[@CantusTropus]

One of the coolest parts of the second Battlefleet Gothic videogame is when you get to sort-of recreate this (successfully!) in the unfortunately non-canon Imperial Ending. The systems you fight over in the Eye of Terror contain multiple references to the Abyssal Crusade, usually involving massive amounts of Loyalist Space Marines meeting gruesome fates.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Whoah, spoilers. Haven't seen that far into any LP that I've watched. I don't mind this spoiler though, just motivates me more to go watch that.

[@loke801]

It gets worse/better (depending what faction you play) when you realize the number of planets and resources destroyed in the eye doesn’t even matter seemingly when the 8th black crusade was launched about 500 years later. So any minor good it could have done was null and void.

[@thechazz3230]

You're thinking of The Warp. The Eye cannot just regenerate like The Warp does. While it holds many benefits of the warp, it is not fully the realm of Chaos. It still must obey some rules of reality, that is why corrupted mortals are able to not judt survive, but thrive in that _hellish_ place.

[@MrEmiosk]

Considering that most traitor warbands/legionares was at the seige of terra. They are by and large warriors, seige masters, master duelists and carrying gifts of the warp to a man. A single chaos marine is equal to most space marine squads in just how dangerous, devious and strong they are. At least that was how it used to be even in the 41st millenium. To many only centuries has passed since the herasy. many of the fleets Chaos wields are by and large the very same ships that they used to run havoc across the galaxy under Horus. The first few black crusades the marines participating the herasy was mere years perhaps a decade past, while for the imperium over three thousand years had passed. So when it comes to numbers, by and large, Traitor Chaos suffers no losses or upkeep costs while in the eye. hence why the black crusades happen so far in between. They build their numbers over what they see as decades, using resources and manpower income thay flows into the eye over centuries and millenia.

[@kaplahworm]

Well if not for this, it could have been much less than 500 years, based on what we know that nigh on infinite fleet they ran into could have been the 8th crusade, and they did so much damage to it that they delayed it by hundreds of real space years!

[@elysiankentarchy1531]

​@@kaplahwormFailbadon the Armless: "It is time to attack Cadia again." 30 chapters of Astartes appearing out of nowhere: "Leeroy Jenkins!"

[@REgamesplayer]

@@MrEmiosk That is a common misconception. Time in the eye flows unpredictably. However, for the most part it is just like in our world. 1 second = 1 second in warp time. However, in warp there can be storms, currents and anomalies which can slow down passage of time hence traitors only living decades while millennia passes in real time. Likewise can also be true, mere moments can pass in real time while years can go by in the warp. There is a good story in Lorgar book where his fleet set sail and then come back immediately out of the warp. However, it was all battered and seemingly dead with only handful of space marines surviving and barely clinging to life.

[@badgamemaster]

Saint Basillius could have been a servant of Tzeentch... the Changer's plans something works against chaos, even his own...

[@Archon3960]

I read that he actually was. Then again, 40k lore is often a jumbled mess. 😂

[@NewGuy2534]

I love the fact a (corrupted) Imperial Saint suggested to invade Hell, and the Imperium was like “Seems Legit.”

[@launch4]

While we're on the subject of staggering losses and depressing stories for humanity, I like to imagine that the Saint was acting entirely out of loyalty to the Emperor, the Imperium, and toward the benefit of humanity as a whole, and that the Abyssal Crusade had been commenced toward that end. Only on his deathbed, as his heart beat it's last, he had a sudden awakening of deeply suppressed memories, and as his eyes widened in horror at the reality of his existence and of what he had really done, his final words that croaked from his lips were "... I... am....... Alpharius."

[@Balevolt]

I just realized the Vorpal Swords are now a chapter of Doom Slayers

[@martinford4553]

What makes it great is only two chapters from that Crusade are still loyal. Vorpal Swords is the obvious but the other one i believe is the Doom Legion. Who didnt send their entire chapter, i think they had 400 marines left or something. So if one of their guys survived he would be the doomguy of the doom legion who survived his own doom.

[@victoriencharnot555]

'' Let's invade the Eye of Terror, how hard can it be ? '' Inquisitor Jeremiah Clarksonnus

[@markcoroneos7811]

Sometimes his genius.....its almost frightening

[@Thecommander248]

I don't get the reference. 😅 I thought it was a Donner Party joke, but there certainly was just as much cannibalism.

[@victoriencharnot555]

@@Thecommander248 A reference to the Top Gear UK car show under it's iconic trio of presenters. They would usually receive a challenge of doing something more or less dumb ( varying from '' find and travel to the source of the Nile '' to '' make a limousine out of a regular car ''). This would usually be followed by presenter Jeremy Clarkson saying '' how hard can it be ? '' with predictable results...

[@Thecommander248]

@@victoriencharnot555 Thank you! I appreciate you taking my question seriously.

[@angry_zergling]

"Countless covens of chaos cultists unCovered." That's probably the schoolyard tongue-twister at the schola.

[@HubiKoshi]

Tuska is pointing and laughing at the humies right about now.

[@Sole-Witness]

I always found it difficult to believe that 30 chapters not only listened to the Ecclesiarchy over military affairs, but surrendered themselves under their judgement and actually accepted Basillius' punishment he had in mind for them. Most Space Marines don't follow the Imperial Cult, and many of the chapter don't even consider the Ecclesiarchy an authority they respect, let alone heed to. Most Space Marines don't even like taking orders from the Inquisition, which have way more influence and power to threaten the chapters with, yet Basillius managed to have power over 30 entire chapters?

[@Archon3960]

Well, it's like getting excommunicated in the Middle Ages. Sure, you can say screw the Pope, but you'll stand alone politically and socially. So imagine how bad it can be in _Warhammer 40k!_ 😏

[@sparking023]

Afaik a considerable number of chapters do follow the God-Emperor religion in some way, probably most recent chapters. A Horus Heresy venerable dreadnough would short circuit at the notion tho

[@hammerofolympia3716]

This wasn't a request it was do or be labelled a heretic openly, they had a small chance of surviving the penitent crusade but less so a purge and no chance to regain their honour which Astartes are so keen on.

[@DrKarmo]

Probably the greatest loss the imperium ever suffered, even considering the horus heresy Ay arch you should do a video on Warhammer Fantasy's Crusades against Araby

[@danteredgrave5238]

Whoever had the brilliant idea to invade a place that makes your head pop the second you enter it had to be possessed by tzeentz himself!

[@KyleJordanGaming]

Nah, they had just been playing a lot of DMC and were hyped up on boomer white Monster.

[@ohamatchhams]

@@KyleJordanGaming DMC's OG Dante (not the 2013's DmC donte) would permanently killing chaos gods like boss stages against Mundus since DMC1

[@KrimzonFlygon1]

Random Ork: OI! DAT CHAOS GIT IS MINE TA KRUMP! FIND YER ZOGGIN’ OWN! Random Vorpal Sword: Orks? Here in the eye?! How? Why?

[@Archon3960]

*_TUSKA KEEPS KRUMPIN' ON!!_* 😂

[@thesecondguywhoknowsthings7154]

I feel like it would be more a head nod and just leave each other alone cause they got shit to go kill

[@nightingale4632]

I think maybe the grey knights purged the saint, then to cover it up the vorpal swords were inserted as a myth?

[@UGNAvalon]

Meanwhile, the Maelstrom: “Oh, thank the gods! I really dodged a bullet there!”

[@drarsen33]

My thought exactly. If few chapters almost pacified it, imagine 3 legions.

[@MrLolguy93]

Failbaddon the Armless : "Boy, am I glad that's not me"

[@quazar5017]

9:23 "People who they owed money, people who they simply disliked, or troublesome neighbours." yeah, it's funny how often these three overlap-

[@Archon3960]

"Wait. What do you mean by 'Huron was right?'"

[@TheMartinezSasquatch]

Shekelberg?..

[@reigninoel]

On second thought, let's not go to the Eye of Terror, 'tis a silly place.

[@travisayson3220]

I do appreciate the perspective you've given on Saint Besillius himself. Many other videos seem to take the Vorpal Sword's word as gospel on the guilt of the Saint's treachery, but you take the time to review the circumstances of their claim and the good that Besillius had done for the Imperium. It could very well have been that whatever evidence found was fabricated by demons or misinterpreted, it's only a shame it was never brought to light what the Swords found that would implicate Besillius as an outright traitor.

[@Kamina.D.Fierce]

Whether he was innocent of being a servant of Chaos or not, it doesn't change the fact that it was his idea and actions that sent those chapters in there and led to 26 of them turning. He might not have been a full traitor or he might have, but the repercussions of his actions would no doubt be enough for them to want him dead and erased.

[@nottodisushttoagen1309]

22:05 Seemed somewhat strange to have that part of the story without a change in music, I'm so used to the "Arch Battle Theme" used during the Badab, Vraks and Horus Heresy series that it was somewhat jarring that the usual "chill" music is being used during such an event.

[@JimmyStiffFingers]

I agree. Never liked this background music. Not atmospheric enough and annoying.

[@otaviolobo7989]

Damn... Im pretty knowledgable of 40k and still find myself learning new stuff. I didn't know of this one.

[@1xoACEox1]

It worth noting "Vorpal Sword" is the weapon Alice in Wonderland must use against the Jabberwocky, a being of pure evil that must be slain so good can prevail. The Vorpal Sword is the only thing that can slay a Jabberwocky. Very on the nose writing that the one Chapter to survive is called that and brings down the saint. All of Wonderland is inside Alices mind. The Jabberwocky therefore the seed of evil that exists within all of us. The saint was the Imperiums Jabberwocky, evil from within. He was totally an Agent of Chaos. They would never send Chapters into the eye for redemption. Especially Chapters already weak in faith. Them turning was the only outcome.

[@KameSennin4209]

Just wanna point out that the black templars were out there bringing the fight to the the eye of terror before it was cool.

[@FLMKane]

PURGING WITH MY KIIIIIN!

[@balazssimon1647]

9:30 "inconvenienced" That's a nice euphemism for "being torturend and/or burned alive".

[@sparking023]

This crusade was the equivalent of breaking an icecap with a power tool. You think you're making progress, until you look up from the hole you dug in. And the Astartes still went on the mission to prove their worth. Now, I will headcanon that the fallen marines were scooped by the aspect of the Emperor and made into the Legion of the Damned, just because they're hella metal edit: also, didn't Leman also Leroy Jenkins his way into the Eye of Terror?

[@kevinmccalister4602]

Leman said he heard rumors of something called the tree of life and that it could revive the emperor from the throne fully healing him back to his Horus heresy levels of power. He headed off into the warp to check it out but that he would return either when he found the tree or when the imperium was about to fall. So basically the 40k end times. If he ever returns before then it’ll be because he gets spit out of the warp to get him to stop beating up demon princes.

[@daywither927]

Well, the Age of Apostasy would more aptly be named "Age of Heresy", considering apostasy is abandonment of the true faith altogether while heresy is only disregard of established doctrine. Like reading a wrong book. Or turning your pope palace into a giant hanky-panky dungeon.

[@KyleJordanGaming]

You’re not wrong. Bad example tho. Giant hanky panky dungeons are pretty much mandatory for the elites in the Ecclesiarchy. Kind of like California.

[@dcbluenose1873]

Very cool and underserved lore topic from the loremaster.

[@Archon3960]

I already watched Majorkill's and other loretubers' take on it, but Arch did say he'd cover it eventually.

[@iulian943]

On a schale from 1 to 10 this is like a cleric trying to burn down a heretic village by herself ...

[@Archon3960]

And today, the Imperium makes possibly its dumbest mistake ever. 😂 Which is saying something considering the Age of Apostasy. P.S. No, Big E. isn't dead, we have gotten confirmation of this time and again, Arch. And the version where Basileus was killed by a very angry Doomguy is my headcanon. You can't change my mind. 😎

[@TKUltra971]

I'm sure Gulliman did a face-desk when reading this archive lol.

[@Archon3960]

Yeah, he probably went whiter for a second reading about this. 😂

[@shanepatrick4534]

Sweet, more lore from Nordic Butters.

[@Azrael1st]

Living with the imperium is like living with an abusive father.

[@inquisitionagent9052]

For real. From time to time you get some semblance of care and protection. But its mostly just being treated like sht

[@YOUPIMatin123]

Still make more sense than Ring Of Power or the last season of GoT

[@leonemaledetto1500]

Low bar indeed

[@4realm8rusirius]

Abyssal Crusadd went abysmally

[@Pukeyray]

Get's convicted and is told to go through the sphincter of the Chaos realm to destroy it. And they're like "For da Emporah."

[@civosborne]

(Sees blood angels doing there thing). ......everything looks good here, carry on.

[@brandonmyers1400]

Invading the eye of Terror ...that sounds insane Count Me In lol

[@robertocarlosvillanuevaver9689]

Very interesting subject. Thanks for this, Arch. Learned a lot despite already having read of this before.

[@metroidhunter2559]

I remember, when i first read about the abyssal Crusade in the Codex (I believe it was the Chaos Codex) I thought what hardcore Badasses these judged where. Then when I dived deeper into the Lore of 40k and started to realize how to the Immaterium "works" I realized these poor Space Marines where damned from the very Start. This Crusade was doomed to fail because as long as the Chaos Gods reign in the Eye of Terror they can make and destroy Planets at their Leisure, let aside the endless Legions of Demons of the Four.

[@demoulius1529]

The eye of terror is not the same as the warp. They can create anything they want in the warp. But when it comes to real space they need something to actually be there first.

[@pyerack]

The Imperium casually just up and tossed thousands of space marines into the foulest pits of hell to fight INFINITY itself. Honestly it's a miracle any of them survived at all.

[@KyleJordanGaming]

Basilius would’ve been a rockstar in the Biden DOJ.

[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

Oh my what a magnificent long con, my hat is off to St. Basilius...

[@Redneck-kw6hh]

Gotta be the best Lore channel on youtube this.

[@Feralzen]

The Emperium is a huge experiment by the Emporor on how far you can go on bad ideas...

[@jamesjosep4393]

I sincerely cannot wait for these kinds of videos!

[@irontemplar6222]

Maybe calling your crusade the "abyssal" is an ill omen.

[@Archon3960]

An ill arc of omens. 😂

[@TauShasla]

abysmal naming convention

[@irontemplar6222]

@@TauShasla that's the imperium in general.

[@UGNAvalon]

“Let’s call our paradisal worlds ‘Krieg’ & ‘Damnos’ ! Nothing could go wrong with that!”

[@demoulius1529]

Pretty sure it got the name retroacrively.

[@timmorin6657]

I'm having trouble imagining chaos worlds with civilian populations, especially an industrialised population with technology and everything.

[@CloudParadox-is1jc]

chaos is chaotic.. what's more chaotic than a planet with all that ish on it.. there are a couple chaos gods that could have ALOT of fun with that.. god of change and god of sex/drugs/rock lol..

[@OBIONEBARRONI]

*Can you PLZ PLZ PLZ post more stories of judge dread. I want to hear about the dark judges, and Satan arising in mega city one.*

[@Yandarval]

These sort of stories about how ships are sent into the Eye for centuries. They amuse me. GW always forgets that the ships are crewed by Humans, not Astartes. Even at the start of the crusade. Those 30,000 are not enough to fully crew even one medium or larger ship. So, said Humans did not go mad or otherwise died somehow?

[@bc9402]

I just assume that their decendents are usually the ones that take over. And yea, I assume they too also took massive losses during that crusade, and were probably down to a bare skeleton crew or randos by the end of it. That be a cool side thing no? “I was born during this crusade in the eye of terror, my great great grandfather was one of the orginal crew that went in with the avenging angels at the beginning.”

[@Cassandra112]

well its like the chaos worlds, etc. where do they all come from? "we destroyed 400 chaos worlds, fought and endless chaos armada." no idea where they came from. who is building these endless chaos fleets? how are any regular humans alive in here? you know the writers aren't keeping track of numbers. they just invent fleets and hordes when they want them.

[@Archon3960]

Some of these GW lore topics, like total army numbers, are indeed Grimderp. 😂

[@bc9402]

@@Cassandra112 On the chaos one, that’s easier to answer, since time works differently than real space, not to mention the logic of demon worlds, it’s very much possible that you can have quite a few populations of lost humans from various points in time that got stuck in the warp and became corrupted. There’s a book I recall that takes place on one of these demon worlds. As for resources, again the whole weird thing about time, can make it so that a few centuries of build up and maintenance, was only a few decades in real space. Hence why black crusades keep happening, but never one after the other, usually spaced out between certain periods.

[@HF7-AD]

I imagine the ships keep their geller fields up, it's also a transitional area between the warp and realspace, probably not as corrupty as the full deal

[@Marinealver]

The Innocent shall be condemned as Guilty and the Guilty shall be declared Pure.

[@MidWanker-Minis]

This happened in the book ‘Eye of Terror’ also.

[@korova15]

Praise the emperor it’s friday and Arch has given us another 🔥 video. Been a fan for at least 6 years now. Back when you were ArchWH. Keep it coming Arch, my retirement plans include enjoying your videos while I relax in a Florida senior care facility with a cigar and a glass of brandy. And my twice daily dose of fiber to stay regular.

[@thetruth45678]

Is there room for one more aboard? I wouldn't mind getting off this planet. For the Emperor, of course.

[@-SRM-]

Isn't there a series Arch said he'd be starting about now? It's the one with the thumbnail "Okay! I'll do it!" I need my series man lol. I've played The War for Badab, Horus Heresy, and The War for Armageddon to death.

[@shadowofhawk55]

I think he said it’d start earliest about now. Odds are it’ll be a Christmas present.

[@bc9402]

You just reminded me that I gotta finish the badab war

[@Dr.LightMarker5613]

I'm jonesing man, I need my lore fix, these small hits of loretynal ain't cuttin it no more, I need that GOOD SHIT! 😂

[@UGNAvalon]

Off the top of my head: Sabbat Worlds Crusade?

[@Purpura_Miles_18_10]

Eye of Terror is Imperium of Man in reverse. We need more stories from there. These Chaos Empires would be interesting to know about.

[@rebirth5362]

Small nitpick: Confederation of Light existed before Sebastian Thor

[@RevanR]

Much like the OG Chaos Gate ending

[@thuzan117]

Hey Arch, any chance we could get a video on Imperium Nihilus? an entire half of the Imperium cut off from the Astronomicon and under the authority of Chapter Master Dante is quite interesting and I'm not aware if there has been much information lore wise on how it operates.

[@GUMMRUCHK]

If they had turned traitor the Imperium would have essentially given Chaos 30,000 new Marines. lmao

[@ottovonbearsmark8876]

Alright but what if that first Chaos fleet they ran into wasn’t waiting to ambush them, but was massing for a major raid into the Imperium. Maybe it was actually a noble and well spent sacrifice that saved countless souls. #FreeBasilius

[@Norbert_Sattler]

Maybe the he was both a saint and a traitor. He could have started out as one and then be corrupted into the other. Or more likely, the real saint could have been assassinated and replaced with a chaos cultist, surgically altered to look and sound like the saint well enough to impersonate him.

[@davidmiller1354]

The best 40k lore on youtube.

[@lysytoszef]

An operation so stupid, from start to finish, that even the Inquisition was forced to retroactively do something useful for once.

[@Thecommander248]

A priest got ONE HUNDRED chapters to allow themselves be examined?! No wonder this dude was a saint...

[@snakeplissken1754]

Me: You cannot end chaos forever you can only ban it's forces for a period of time. Imperium of men: "Hold my beer, we send thousands of astartes into "hell" to test this theory." Me: "that's one hell of a stupid idea" Imperium of men: "we call that Monday. Don't worry you just got drafted..."

[@Pandarian300]

"few innocents" more like "few" millions if not billions "innocents" given imperium size.

[@ForgottenHonor0]

It's moments like this that keep 40k from becoming gold-tier in my eyes. "Let's send a crusade into the Eye of Terror!" "Great idea! What could possibly go wrong?" Pure skub.

[@bc9402]

To be fair, a crusade into hell itself? Dumb yes. Badass. Also yes.

[@fus132]

That's (rather naively) assuming that they were expected to win.

[@Archon3960]

The Imperium is often its worst enemy. 😂

[@unofonseca2862]

Tzeench going:" just as planned"

[@oldered5663]

2:10 Goge Vandier was barking mad..... Don't you mean "DOGE VANDIER WAS BARKING MAD"????

[@Balrog4242]

rofl "Yes it's a bad idea. But I posit that the bedrock of the Imperium is... bad ideas."

[@henriquepereira479]

Dated imperial codes but recognizable? Did you mean "they are older codes lord vader but they check out"? Haha

[@roastbeef4918]

Doomed Crusade? Sounds like Blood Angels successors business.

[@Analog_Mind47]

There should be more Warhammer stories set in different millenia not all crammed into the later half of the 41st like most of GW's are

[@silent_stalker3687]

It’s in the early 30k like the alpha books, to early and mid 31k Dark imperium Then we see all hell break loose with the emperors vision for mankind by 40k Some books are set in different areas or span longer times like the priests of Mars books

[@jadenprice1463]

My prayers have been answered. WOOOOO!!

[@Sanginius23]

Best WH40k content out there

[@alextheman3330]

Thanks for the lore today arch I’ve been listening to you since I came back from my time in the marines in 2015 Keep up the great work brother! You got real marines out here who appreciate your videos!

[@oscarb4822]

When saying you'd follow a leader to the gates of hell comes back to bite you in the ass.

[@elitereptilian200]

Arch, mate.. I need and/or demand, yes, I do, that you make a video about the Lamenters penitent crusade!! I imagine I am not alone in this need/demand!! Much love & thank you for these videos!!

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

He did the Lamentors, and Chapter Master Valrak stole the art.

[@elitereptilian200]

@@JoshuaKevinPerry He has? Only lamenters content I've seen from Arch was in that one series I just forgot the name of but the Lamenters were just a tiny portion of that series and didn't touch their penitent crusade.. do you happen to remember the name of the video you talk about? Edit: and yeah I remember Arch talking about the stolen art in that series.. such a freaking scummy thing to do..

[@elysiankentarchy1531]

​@elitereptilian200 Arch made a video about them years ago, just type in Arch Lamenters. It doesn't cover their penitent crusade though.

[@elitereptilian200]

@@elysiankentarchy1531 yeah unfortunately it is their penitent crusade I would like to hear from Arch, his gift at and style of storytelling would be amazing fit for the Lamenters penitent crusade..

[@JPLOWMAN2]

It would be one hell of a coincidence if the chaos fleet that the crusade fleet encountered had been planning to invade the Imperium at the same time the Judged were invading the Eye

[@josephkalscheur5160]

In my head canon, the first and most mythical story, where a saint and hero of the imperium is actually a still living chaos agent, nearly a millennium old, continuing to pull strings to undermine the imperium in the long run; that’s totally what happened. Up to, and including the Vorpal swords storming his palace and personally ending him and then sending him to the sun. That is grim, that is dark, that is 40 K.

[@thebigm7558]

Does this video count as the 60.000 Sub special?

[@zaqzilla1]

The Inquisition, "You mean we get another reason to commit genocide?"