The Accuracy PROBLEM No One Wants to Talk About! Accuracy Problems SOLVED!

[@leskelly5783]

That's why I switched from compound to recurve. Don't have timing problems

[@debraadkins2447]

Go back to your good old Excalibur that way you won't have access to problems to worry about Excalibur recurves is the way to go keep life simple and kill more deer

[@daveypenland6527]

That's one reason i love my Excalibur grizzly 😊

[@tythomps]

Man I almost commented "TIMING!!" in the first video of this series. Bravo to you though Rich! I know you're not a "tinkerer", but your methodical steps and process of elimination, and ability to single individual things out was commendable. And your documenting and ability to present as a story is first rate.

[@Deathbybunjie]

I should have filmed the timing part, but was really just learning it. Maybe next year I'll film the whole thing. Thanks and thanks for watching!

[@charliebeaver6771]

It'd be nice if ALL the compound crossbow makers would publish each model's specs for ATA and timing and put some kinda reference mark on their cams so the specs can be checked by the OWNER.

[@craigwagner7157]

Rich, I use a silver sharpie and a paying card along the limb to scribe a line. can do this for both resting and cocked. This will guarantee in the future you have factory settings. Most locations you take to have a string replaced will have no clue or way to factory time. I did this on both my compound and cross bow. I know your a northern boy, but next time you use the iron skillet, make a batch of corn bread to pull up all those flavors. if you like things a little sweet, add 1/4 cup of sugar to the mix. i think you would have tossed the hoagie bun to the birds!

[@chrisruzsa2798]

Yep that makes sense you should make intros again for your videos they were fun. And yes change one thing and it is a trade off somewhere else. So glad you got it figured out. You will be come an expert with this machine.

[@gramps5157]

Timing is everything!

[@Deathbybunjie]

Indeed!

[@justinsidervag8008]

Yeah , that's one thing I miss since going Excal. It's been years since I seen the guys at the bow shop . Wonder how they been ?

[@Deathbybunjie]

I wouldn't know LOL I did this myself 😅

[@mrmichaeltscott]

I haven't even shot a crossbow yet. Bought it. Buying all my choices then I'm going to zero it in. Videos like this ( series) so helpful. 👍

[@one-eyedarcher]

Glad you got it figured out Rich! I was having the same issue with my Vapor. ATA and timing were waaaayyyy off. I just put a new string and cables on it and am in the process of timing it now. If you want some fun come over and time my 4 cable system and get the cams level. Fun fun fun... 😄 😳

[@TORREX-A.D.]

The dowel is great

[@HeadtoTailBBQCooking]

Glad you got it squared away 👍🏻

[@howardchapman800]

That will be the first thing I check if mine starts doing weird shots thank you for the info

[@BackyardBroadheads]

Same here with the learning. I just bought a press and changed some barnett strings and cables today, it was fun and educational.

[@Deathbybunjie]

Man that's cool

[@frederickbierweiler8020]

You do a great job Rich sharing what you have learned, where else covers the meterial you do-none- Have so enjoyed your channel and looking forward to more videos,

[@thestraitgateway]

Very informative, thank you kindly and God bless

[@LongbowKelly]

I’m glad you got it figured out Rich

[@srj263]

So much for my idea that it was a scope issue. Glad you resolved it.

[@Deathbybunjie]

The scope was a challenge but all good on that front now

[@mariusbuciuman307]

Always learning something from you Rich. A

[@boomerrangerron]

Glad you got it resolved and quickly! When's the 60 yard challenge shoot?

[@aaronchaltraw6750]

I’m glad you found the issue! Had the same issue with my Barnett 410 Ghost. Now I have a Ten Point and I’m hoping it’s not an issue right away.

[@philiplang1361]

Glad you have it sorted out.

[@gavhope2867]

Well done rich, compounds are a little more work, but very rewarding I can't shoot long range groups with my high end recurve as I can with my compy, 👍

[@neabowhunters8107]

Glad it’s fixed sir.

[@oldgrumpyhunter]

Well done Rich.

[@seregill13]

I love your confidence, I'm terrified of working on my compound crossbow. Only one way to learn though.

[@rhondaandrew1764]

Great job on tuning. I checked on mine,killer xtinct

[@littlewoody5539]

Rich I see you buying a new crossbow next year happy hunting.

[@loulage941]

Timing that's the Gotcha that no one talks about try to find timing videos not so much. I had to go to cabelas and take pictures of new crossbow cams and string position on the shelf to help me set mine. When i put a new string i shoot at least 50 shots before i do timing sometimes string stretch.

[@Deathbybunjie]

That's a neat tip! Thanks!

[@charliebeaver6771]

Good to see you got it figured out Rich! Now that you know that is what the problem was... just keep a close eye on your measurements periodically. Saves headaches in the long run but you already know that. NOT taking anything away from Scorpyd...... that's why I like the timing dots on my Ravin R10. A quick look to see that my timing dots are split in the middle with the cables and a quick measurement with the tape for my ATA and I know whether everything is in spec or not. The MAJOR advantage you you have over me with the Ravin is you can do all of your twisting/changing of string and cables without a press whereas I have to put mine in my press.

[@jeff507]

That’s the way to follow through Rich! It’s just a process of elimination. The problem with going high tech is that there are a lot more processes to eliminate. 😆

[@jrd8640]

I do the same thing on my vertical bow but with a screwdriver

[@user-dw4ci1ut8j]

I really like your videos. However not choice of bows, ha ha. I shoot 2 no brainer crossbows. Ravin R10. WR Black Hawk xt. Timing stays true. Glad you figured out to shoot the 150 Swhacker.

[@Deathbybunjie]

Lol the problem with timing was my fault, not the xbow haha, I changed cables and had to figure out how to do it right. Live and learn lol

[@robertb.kolarjr3692]

That's why I advised the mission bruh...

[@Deathbybunjie]

Mission is good stuff but this went pretty smoothly though.

[@donches7637]

One thing I have never seen anyone talk about is limb balance. This has to do with the relationship of the limbs (Prod) to the stock (tiller). This affects the difference of where the serving string is to the flight rail groove between a cocked and uncocked crossbow. As you pull the trigger on your crossbow, imagine you marked a spot on your serving string that is exactly centered between your flight rail groove on the tiller. Another word, right where the nock of your arrow rests on the string. Now shoot your crossbow. Now look at that mark you made. Is it still centered on the flight groove rail? This is where limb bolt adjustment comes into play. This especially important on a reverse limb crossbow like the one I shoot, as it has a 17.5” power stroke. This is how I measure it. Using a paint maker with my bow cocked, I mark two spots on the serving string where it rests on the trigger latches. These two marks will be about ½” apart from each other. The trigger has two latches that hold the string. The arrow nock rests between these two latches. Now I fire the crossbow and observe where these two marks end up in relation to the flight rail groove. I make adjustments to the limb bolts accordingly. It is critically important that as you string travels down the stock’s flight groove, that that marked spot on the string stays centered along it’s entire path.

[@Deathbybunjie]

It's an interesting thought but it's not much of an issue. On a compound crossbow, the cams are making that adjustment for you. That's what keeping the limbs in time means. On a recurve crossbow, that is why you use a flat nock so it can slide down the rail against the string. That is why if crossbows aren't accurate, the first thing I look at is timing or the nock.

[@donches7637]

So are you saying limb centricity is not important? If the limbs are not balanced about the stock, it will cause string creep to the left or right as I described. Are you saying it is not a big deal if the serving moves sideways as the crossbow is being shot, as it will just slide freely across the nock of the bolt? It won’t cause any issues as the bolt travels down the flight rail groove? I found it to be an important factor in accuracy. Have you ever attempted to measure what I described? Crossbow manufactures have adjustable limb bolts for a reason. Neither of my limb bolts were bottomed out when I received my crossbow brand new in the box. They both had about a 1/16” gap.@@Deathbybunjie

[@Deathbybunjie]

@donches7637 relax! All I am saying is that the manufacturers took this into account and that's why they recommend certain nocks and that's why they invented cams for compound crossbows. It is not the big issue you make it seem. the limbs on Bunjie have been ratcheted down tight for 14 years and it just shot a woodchuck at 81 yards. I am sure the string slid on that nock left and right all the way down the rail but the arrow was dead on. On the compounds I have, the nock grips the string more but the cams keep those limbs in time. That's their job. If they don't do their job then you adjust timing, you don't loosen up the limbs. Loosening up the limbs on a crossbow seems like a good way to injure yourself. I want them ratcheted down tight. Granted, some manufacturers like Mission allow for that but the vast majority of them they should be tight. It's not that this isn't an issue, it's just not one that you and I need to worry about as crossbow users. This was a topic in a podcast I did 2 years ago btw, interviewed crossbow manufacturers and retailers who talked about this. If it were a big deal, we wouldn't be hitting dimes at 60 and beyond LOL 😆

[@frankbrowning328]

Any compound crossbow can have timing issues. Also all crossbows can have brace height issues and string stretch which will affect accuracy and point of impact. Once accuracy issues are found there is a check list of items to check to identify the problem. A compound crossbow of any make requires more attention to detail in maintenance than a recurve crossbow. That being said, a properly maintained compound crossbow will shoot exceptionally well at 60 yards. I have 3 compound crossbows and all are capable of 1 1/2''-3'' groups with broadheads at 50 yards. Even my inexpensive Killer Instinct Boss 405 will group most broadheads into 3'' at 50 yards. With field tips my Scorpyd Orion and my Mission 360 I've shot 1 1/2'' 3'' groups at 100 yards. I'd never shoot a deer at that range but its fun to target shoot at long range.

[@rhondaandrew1764]

Did you save your settings

[@Deathbybunjie]

Yep 😆

[@reallife2849]

I wish my more expensive crossbows had timing lines stamped into the cams as the cheaper killer instinct, take’s me a minute to check and correct timing. My hypertac 420 brand new fired 6 bolts and the knock point was off 1/8 inch to the right of the barrel , groved my bolts, knocks and took Finnish down to bare aluminum 8 “ in length close to knock point on the string , new strings and cables seem to get its stretch in the first 6 - 12 shots , it might help if bow shops stretch the strings and time them before selling them . trouble is I don’t know exactly where each cam belongs, when I can figure it out I will make timing lines for field timing.

[@Deathbybunjie]

The scorpyd has holes drilled in it, do you have anything like that?

[@reallife2849]

@@Deathbybunjie yes , the holes are hiding under the limbs on both cams , thanks for replying 👍🏻 . I can actually see part of one of the machine drilled holes

[@chucksmith5002]

Thanks Rich that was very interesting

[@LizardKing513]

Glad you worked it out!

[@dana44169]

You may want to put a drop of oil on each side of the cam bearing that is in the center of each cam.

[@dana44169]

I own the scorpyd deathstalker and tremor both of these crossbows have the new medium let off cams and I am able to time the cams and change out the string and cables without a bow press and it is rather easy.

[@debraadkins2447]

Recurve crossbows are the way to go I crew compounds too many whistles and Bell and thanks to go wrong

[@renneroutdoorsunedited4458]

First again!! Lol🤣 Rich, do you know when I have my KZbin up and then decide to post?? 🤷🏻‍♂️🤣🤣🤣

[@Deathbybunjie]

😆😅

[@CatfishCody]

I had this issue after changing S&C on my XR. Trial and error with cable twists

[@aaronmeeks1155]

Excalibur + Recurve = Simple!

[@JohnGreyman]

Would like to know more about the wood block you used. My back up xbow was spot on and now its not. I took a shot and it flung the right side limb silencer off and it has not been right since.

[@Deathbybunjie]

Got silencer replaced?

[@JohnGreyman]

@@Deathbybunjie I did. Its just the rubber part that goes between the limbs. Ive herd them called silencers or dampners. Its on my back up barnett str. I bought it last year before I went on a multi state hunt in case I had an issue with my main bow. I didnt want to be out of state having already paid for license and tags ( up the creek with out a paddle) and bot having a working harvest tool. While zeroing the str it flew off. After that I could not make a solid shot with it past 30 yards. Took it to a archery shop and they said the cams were in tune. Idk.

[@Deathbybunjie]

@@JohnGreyman well, the block really is just a measuring tool. You can use a tape measure also.

[@JohnGreyman]

@@Deathbybunjie Thank you. I guess I need to figure out what exactly I need to measure and what measurement distance I need. It has to be some kind of a timing issue. I had it dialed in and was just trying to dial the speed ring in so I could optimize the distance shot. The rubber part flew off and I put it back on. Then it went to a paper plate size group. Locked into to the vise and still an 8-10 inch group.

[@linescum444]

Lol glad you got It figured out ,hail excaliber and long limbers .

[@GrumpyGenXGramps]

Are those Red Hot bolts?? I have 5 that I bought back in 2010 I think. Can’t find em anywhere and I really like em!

[@Deathbybunjie]

They are Parker style Lumenoks. The arrows are deathstalkers. I think Parker made red hot bolts at one time?

[@AlexKurashev]

Rich, shoot it through paper now 😃👍

[@Deathbybunjie]

😆 we'll have to see about that haha

[@AlexKurashev]

@@Deathbybunjie oh, it’s coming! 😃

[@blacksrfm]

Canting and out of time can create some big problems at long ranges

[@cottojn]

Stick to what you know and worked with… Excalibur Assassin 400 TD would have been a prime replacement for bungie.

[@Deathbybunjie]

Stick with what I know...which is a crossbow that doesn't need a crank, such as this one LOL

[@jesseherbert2585]

Outstanding. Had this issue in my old compound, and when you hinted yesterday that you had solved the accuracy issues in Bunjie III, well, I decided to pull the trigger on my purchase. AND you saved me from choosing the Deathstalker as planned (went with the Aculeus to be legal in NY). I hunt in NY at times, and your video on their restrictive regs/specs was something I had not considered. Exceptional service in these uploads brother, may you be well rewarded by the YT algorithms and nature herself!!! Oh, and the fellows at Scorpyd (who responded to ALL my pre-purchase quarries about as fast as their bows shoot) got my order shipped today. This is important-- NY is holding a special early season on antlerless deer in September (10th to the 18th, 2022). So Rich, perhaps you might consider hunting there this fall after all? OF COURSE THIS IS ONLY IN CERTAIN WMUs (but I think a one of them is central NY on the border with Penn). Either way, thank you once more. Most appreciated...

[@Deathbybunjie]

Awesome good luck!

[@mikepatten4512]

Should have got another Excalibur

[@Deathbybunjie]

I don't want a crank

[@minivox7094]

Your accuracy problems are solved! Well, all I can say is it's about time...

[@TheKevinwildman]

Should of stayed with a Excalibur brand, go with a used crossbow to a matrix

[@Deathbybunjie]

I wanted a new crossbow, not a used one LOL. The Slick Black Cadillac suits me just fine 🙂 I'm still learning it but I'm confident I can do anything on this crossbow now.

[@jamesmartin7282]

Wondering why you changed your string after just one season?

[@Deathbybunjie]

I changed it last year from the original just to put the custom one on. Then I changed it this year because serving was worn. I'm a once a year kinda guy lol

[@rickyrygg7188]

Whoo hoo !!!!

[@joshuahammond2321]

Can you help me on something buddy I sight my crossbow in at 20 30 and 40 yards dead on and next week comes by I shoot it again and it be way off even at 20 yards the scope screws are tight as hell and everything scopes good one to so I don't know what's the problem maybe some bolt or screw lose on the crossbow on not just pisses me of don't even wanna go hunting because u don't know if will miss up or something like it is

[@Deathbybunjie]

Is it off in terms of elevation, up and down, or is it off in terms of windage, left and right, or both?

[@joshuahammond2321]

Off in both idk whats wrong

[@Deathbybunjie]

@@joshuahammond2321 that could be a lot of things if it's both. I think you need to have that checked out by someone in person. Way too many options for me to guess online LOL but I wish you the best!

[@andrzejtaramina2709]

In the words of Metallica: Timing, Nothing Else Matters! lol

[@dpmautomotive1758]

A compound cross bow is no more than a compound laid on it's side all them adjustments are just as critical