The Acolyte flogged me through the streets for stealing a loaf of bread to feed my starving children

At long last, I can stop talking about this show.
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[@SheevTalks]

Just gonna say if you clicked on this hour-long video of me ripping into this show as one of the worst pieces of Star Wars ever made, and the first 3 minutes where I defend one tiny thing about it has somehow convinced you I like the show, you’re an idiot. I’m not being nice about this one. I’ve gotten too many of these comments. If you watched the opening and concluded that I like The Acolyte you’re a fucking moron.

[@storymaster21]

Because Kylo Ren knock-off (no I will not use his name) is Vernestras ex padawan and she was the one that both created him and put those scars on his back.

[@Bob_99.1]

Starwars fan hivemind moment

[@tcorkern75]

The problem with your first 3 minutes is that you hand wave legitimate criticisms and act like they don't matter while acting like your superior to those who do criticize these things. The reason the Mundi cameo and fire in space things blew up is because these are examples of the writers not caring at all. Literally, all it would have taken is for the writers to do a Google search, but they couldn't even do that. The only one you kinda have a point on is the actor mixing up Luke and Anikin, and even then, you just ignore the other reason that clip was criticized. The problem with his statement is that he was completely misrepresenting Star Wars, trying to make it some morally grey story when the series is as black and white as it gets. Also, there's a part where you say other critics are focusing too much on these details. I don't know the other critics, but i know with drinker that's just not true. His criticisms for those scenes were small parts of his videos. He did the same thing you're doing with this video, but you're trying to make yourself seem superior to him and the other critics. It gives off major. "I don't like the acolyte, but I'm not like those other people who don't like the acolyte I'm one of the good ones" energy and overall makes you seem condescending to people who otherwise would agree with you.

[@storymaster21]

@@tcorkern75 you can fire a gun in a vacuum because the flames are contained and come internally. Fire can burn in a vacuum as long as fuel exists to ignite it. In the show the flames likely burned from internal ignition sources.

[@jeniskindof]

You ok? I mean you watch the acolyte so I should know the answer to that but it sounds like you're pretty upset not trying to tease you or anything this is genuine concern.

[@thepebbleinstitute7702]

Acolyte joins the now concerningly large group of shows in which “if the character correctly explained the situation the story would break” is a dangerous drinking game.

[@RC-qf3mp]

It’s like watching an episode of the Brady Bunch. Only poorly written. Half the plots were somebody misunderstanding listening in half the conversation of two other people. 🤦‍♂️

[@theimpersonator7086]

Got to give credit to the writers, the Star Wars Soap Opera cinematic universe is of to a wonderful start /s

[@ValyrianPrince]

Lol Witcher blood origin says hi

[@Tarimoth]

That was a proper "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve"

[@GerardMenvussa]

It's called Star Wars: the Alcoholic for a reason.

[@payton.a.elliott]

The shot of Plagueis reaching out of the cave like some kind of cryptid found footage is some top tier Star Wars comedy.

[@josephgibson5902]

The Patterson-Qimir film?? Second Surgeon's Holocron?? Myakka Sith Ape pictures??

[@AzayBae]

I have seen people refer to Plagueis in canon as a gooner in the goon cave 😂

[@herotyranus6540]

@@AzayBaelol Eckhards Ladder

[@rollinghouse7140]

Darth Crackhead the Fent

[@mrreyes5004]

Which is even stupider when you realize that it doesn't even make sense for him to be doing that spooky crap. Like, yes, he's a menacing Sith Lord... but he's also a devoted scientist in biology and his civilian identity is a leading shareholder in a massive banking organization. Plus, he has PLENTY of reason to want Smylo dead ASAP... so why tf would he be chilling in some rank cave?

[@PineappleDealer37]

Sheev after the first two episodes: eh, its not so awful Sheev right after: I am no longer sober.

[@thejollychap]

Not this time. First two episodes in, Sheev and I were already horrified.

[@PineappleDealer37]

@@thejollychap lol

[@dr.bright6272]

Sheev after the first two episodes: I'm sobering up

[@danielcarithers3345]

The Acolyte jammed my glove compartment shut so that when a police officer pulls me over for speeding and asks for my registration, I’d be unable to open it and they would arrest me

[@butcherpete2286]

The acolyte snuck into my car and crammed it full of drugs and illegal weapons so when I get stopped I'm getting 25 to life.

[@dragonshiny7321]

The acolyte beat my dog and called Peta so that i could get sued for animal abuse

[@GabesEdtiz]

The Acolyte slipped a pill into my drink and had me wake up in an old, run down apartment with my shirt off and pants unbuckled.

[@ardentlyconfused3503]

The Acolyte stole my soul at a Quik Trip last Saturday and sold it on the dark web for $0.39

[@butcherpete2286]

@@ardentlyconfused3503 thats what you get for going to a quiktrip

[@MichaelB-jw5po]

To paraphrase Trey Parker and Matt Stone: "In a bad story, this happens and then that happens. In a good story, this happens *because* that happens."

[@Shooopdawooooop]

This is allll I was thinking of watching this show. Leslye is legit a talentless hack. How/Why she got this job I couldn’t tell you. If KK was an actual feminist you’d think she’d avoid associating with any aspect of the harm Weinstein wrought on god knows how many women. I just wanna be entertained bro. Idc about DEI characters, writers etc. I just want quality entertainment. If HotD can cost like $20mil more and have me enthralled start to finish and be TWICE the length of one acolyte episode… Ya fuckin blew It in so many ways. Insane shit.

[@jack-of-a-few-trades]

To elaborate a bit more on that same point (because I have seen the clip and it lives in my mind rent free), what Trey Parker said was: "We can take [story beats], which are basically the beats of your outline, and if the words 'and then' belong between those beats, you're f**cked." "What should happen [between every beat] is either the word 'therefore', or 'but'."

[@noahmaldonado5461]

How in God's name do the South park creators know how to write a better story than star wars executives

[@nmr7203]

​@noahmaldonado5461 Because South Park is widely regarded as one of the best written TV shows all of time, of course they know how to write amazing stories.

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

_Because_ rather than _and then_

[@insomniacnerd5592]

The Acolyte poisoned my water supply, burned my crops, and delivered a plague upon my house.

[@fissilewhistle]

It did?

[@jackallaster7710]

​@@fissilewhistle yes

[@evilbird4012]

@@fissilewhistleno, but are we going to wait until it does?

[@fissilewhistle]

@@evilbird4012 I say… we tip something over!

[@rollinghouse7140]

I am definitely going to get a bumper sticker saying Kathleen Kennedy Sold My Cat For Fentanyl. That’s a hilarious line

[@RC-qf3mp]

Unrealistic. Like Kenny, Kennedy would rather just get high off cat piss.

[@jasonnewbery]

@@RC-qf3mpthat’s feminists fentanyl

[@ashen-one--x]

😂😂😂

[@Shadow-In-The-East]

Average Star Wars fan.

[@rg3721]

After Acolyte my disabled neighbour finally got up and went out the window

[@RC-qf3mp]

At least some thing good came out of The Acolyte.

[@alexneff]

Always a blessing to watch someone tranformed into the force

[@StevenZissimos]

Wow 😂

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

now they're even more disabled

[@hispanicyoutubeperson6100]

Y’all are funny as fuck 😂

[@lacolem1]

Eh, the “Anakin blew up the Death Star” was about more than getting lore wrong. His whole point was that there was no right and wrong in Star Wars. Which is flat out ridiculous. Every supposedly flimsy nitpick has context to explain the visceral reaction to them. Star Wars fans are not idiots, despite the narrative. If the story were good, it would be easier to let stuff go.

[@wolfsruhm]

but alone that argument fall completly flat, considering the fact that the Death Star was a planet destroying moonsized mobile weapon platform, that at the moment of it's destruction threatend to erase another, let's emphasise this, ANOTHER planetoid fromt he universe, and also Luke had been drafted into a military group that was basically in war with the ppl that used said weapons platform to blow up plant(oid)s. You know there is a reason why soldiers are exempt from murder prosecution when they do the killing in their line of duty. Granted in the eyes of the empire the rebellion was not a legitemate organisation, and if they have gotten their hands on Luke (before he learned the ways of the force, and surrendered himself to Vader on Endor), would have tried found guilty and summerily executed them for the 'murders' of the personel on their deep space mining platform

[@Hank..]

"It's not the actors fault for not knowing the lore" then maybe he shouldn't be talking about the lore

[@haku8135]

@@Hank.. That's not even fucking lore. That's THE FIRST FUCKING MOVIE. There's LORE, and then there's, the basic plotline. The fact he knows the name Anakin, and he knows the Death Star, means he's trying to pretend he's a star wars fan in this interview and doesn't at all realize where he's wrong, but is being wrong with confidence. He says this SEVERAL TIMES as well, it wasn't just an oops where he said Anakin instead of Luke.

[@svenkampen1647]

I think that is fair criticism of the comment, to claim that star wars was ambivalent towards good and evil when it always made sure to make sure it was very clear that the murderous authoritarian faschists were the bad guys and then deliver some insane whataboutism is ridiculous, but fandom really did get hung up more on the fact he got the guy who blew it up wrong.

[@JumpierNewt8956]

"Wait for context" is the same shit as the orange alien saying "Good question, for another time" and then it never came.

[@ZayJayPlays]

Disney loves making Anakin less and less special. First, his sacrifice was rendered null and void after bringing back Palpatine, and now, we find he's not unique in being born by the force.

[@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS]

His sacrifice was about saving Luke. The Chosen One prophecy was a retcon George did

[@Mortimer_RS]

​@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMSis funny how all of Star Wars' story is constructed on retcons.

[@swissarmyknight4306]

@@Mortimer_RS THIS GUY GETS IT

[@haku8135]

@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS Do you not know what a retcon is? He killed Palpatine to save his son, the reason he did it doesn't matter to the prophecy that says he'll destroy the sith and bring balance. There's no retcon here. We just learn something additional to add extra context to the character and scene by finding out there was once a prophecy that Anakin would destroy the sith. Because regardless of his scuffed dialogue, George IS a creative storyteller that actually knows what the fuck he's doing.

[@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS]

@@haku8135 retcon means to recontextualize

[@aitchisondaniel]

The writers are so dumb that they think a bartender can describe a human well enough to quickly identify her in a galaxy, but don't use 'genetic strands match hers perfectly', as identical twins.

[@mrreyes5004]

There's also the pre-established fact that _genetically-identical clones_ still have different signatures in The Force. We saw this all the way back in _the FIRST SEASON of The Clone Wars show,_ where Yoda made a point that the Clone Troopers (all identically created from Jango Fett except the Bad Batch) each have different Force presences that tell them apart. Obviously, this isn't a factor with the bartender thing, but it should still be pathetically easy for any Jedi *_(SOL)_* to tell the twins apart as adults with clearly-separate personalities.

[@kingbash6466]

I really hate how complacent Disney SW fans have gotten over the quality of this show because I know for a fact that Disney/Lucasfilm could put out much better content. They showed that with Rogue One, the first season of Mando, and especially Andor. So it pisses me of that the Acolyte not only brings out the worst of the franchise, but you'll have tons of people defending it because "sW fAnS hAtE EverThINg."

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

2/3 of those were made by Tony Gilroy.

[@theimpersonator7086]

Yeah, while never perfect by any means, it feels like SW Video games in particular nailed a good balance for frequent, but good quality content like KOTOR Duo, OG Battlefront 1 and 2, etc

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

First season of Mando was bad. Especially the finale

[@pwh1981]

@@Lobsterwithinternet If there's any prescience left in Lucasfilm, they should keep Gilroy on as a retainer of sorts to train/assist/review other writers for other projects. I'm not sure if Gilroy wants to do any other Star Wars projects after Andor season two, but I know I'd be doing everything I could to keep a writer of his pedigree around to elevate everyone else. Gilroy clearly has a very solid grasp of writing as a craft; something that has been severely lacking from every other project coming out of Star Wars this past decade.

[@anyaabusable9888]

​@@pwh1981 at least use him as a bloody script doctor!

[@Mccs-ei3in]

180M budget just evaporated into this piece of garbage

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

“Reduced to atoms…”

[@seeinred]

Bold of you to assume it's not just money-laundering scheme at this point.

[@Mccs-ei3in]

@@seeinred as much as it’s memed on it’s the most logical thing that’s happened to the money

[@seeinred]

@@Mccs-ei3in oh i'm not meme-ing here. Whatever is the reason these shows are continued to be made - and with these kinds of budgets - the reason can only be external.

[@someguy4405]

Just imagine how many goats 180M could have bought for poor families in Ethiopia. Imagine. Imagine all the goats.

[@quantumvideoscz2052]

The thing with Ki Adi Mundi's retcon is not the age itself, that's just the hilarious part. The terrible part is that because of this, Mundi now has information that he was never meant to in any way know. So when he says in The Phantom Menace (which is very much canon under any official interpretation by Disney) that Sith haven't been seen for a thousand years, he's lying. But it doesn't make any sense for him to do so.

[@haku8135]

It's not that he CANNOT be older in Phantom Menace, it's that he's IN PHANTOM MENACE. They specifically chose THE character that said the sith haven't been seen for a THOUSAND YEARS, and less than ONE of his race's lifetimes ago, apparently, he was literally included in a massive incident regarding a SITH showing up and slaughtering FOUR jedi masters which he was involved in covering up by concealing it from the Jedi Council! Which he is now ON. There was NO reason to bring him into this show, AND TO ADD TO IT, he's not supposed to be BORN in the first place, so they had to make multiple ABSURD changes just to have a fucking cameo. It shows clearly how shit this show is, and how it has NOTHING of its own to offer. Then the last episode makes it SO MUCH WORSE because YODA is also involved in this situation. So they're just assassinating all the characters.

[@Animefanboy4life]

And him lying caused Qui Gons death because he shut that sith down and they didnt send more jedi to help fight maul. And yoda also having knowledge means they just hated qui gon and wanted him dead cause he was probably acting like Sol wanting to train this boy and they didnt want to deal with that again

[@buttertool6211]

If Bazil doesn't turn out to be Darth Bazil then I will announce that Disney in fact, has no balls

[@cayenneta]

real

[@PineappleDealer37]

Darth brazil

[@bigdoubleu117]

It's crazy how powerful they made Smylo Ren. In Knights of The Old Republic, it took the ENTIRE Jedi Council to erase Revans memory... And yet, here's just Smylo doing the same with very low effort.

[@mrreyes5004]

I'd also like to point out that even then, Revan was SEVERELY wounded beforehand (barely kept alive by Bastila) and comatose to boot. So it's not like his body or mind were in any healthy state to resist the Council's erasure. And _even then,_ the erasure was far from perfect and Revan had vivid flashback visions in at least a year's time. While Smilo can just do it to anyone currently awake and well without serious consequence for years.

[@ForsakenKrios]

@@bigdoubleu117 Erased his memory is a bit of a stretch. He obviously still had his memories as later entries show/this fact is pivotal to their stories. They gave him a new identity. His mind was wounded so they couldn’t just wake him up and interrogate him. I don’t have a problem with memory wipes as part of the force (Kreia does this on the regular/or clouds peoples minds), it’s just a matter of like you said the circumstances and the amount of effort.

[@billjacobs521]

@@ForsakenKrios That is precisely why I hate Kreia--she can just do all sorts of random Force BS without an ounce of apparent effort.

[@katyatiu908]

First they stole your kidneys, then your cat, now they are starving your children 😢 my condolences

[@Scagguy4014]

And returned for his pancreas !

[@wil1234111]

The titles of these breakdowns never get old

[@vaggos2003]

Quickly, let's all ask Sheev how he'd rank them. The outcome will be hilarious.

[@WarDog276]

Knowing the lore and respecting the lore is the difference people mean but can't articulate

[@dreux_]

wasn’t the whole Ki-Adi Mundi drama actually about his “Impossible. The Sith have been extinct for a millennium.” line in the phantom menace being contradicted?

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Part of it.

[@SheevTalks]

That was the actual valid argument being made. The other wasn’t 😂

[@Sines314]

​@@SheevTalks from what I understand, Mundis species having a shorter than human lifespan was actually important to his character, so that might actually bother some people who liked him as is. That's why it's different from Kenobi aging REALLY fast between RotS and ANH. Kenobi's age doesn't all effect his character. Mundis does. I don't care about Mundi, but I can definitely see the problem.

[@SheevTalks]

@@Sines314 Don’t remember anywhere in the movies where his age/lifespan had anything to do with his character/story. If you’re referring to the extended material from the entirely separate continuity, then fine. But then the point becomes moot.

[@Geekezf]

Other than that..how a guy that would sit on the council would hide an info that, 100 years ago sith did came back even as a solitary incident. That info would put them on alert and make the jedi careful of every suspicious move. Green bald lady might hide it but not Ki Adi mundi. The whole plans of Plagueis and Creamy Sheev would be busted at worst, even more difficult to apply than it already is at best.

[@simplegarak]

29:30 - Actually even before TPM, in episode 6, RotJ, Jabba replies that he's immune to Jedi mind tricks. It goes that far back.

[@ForsakenKrios]

You can always say someone is strong enough to resist it. The problem came with George making the Toydarians immune with Watto saying he’s Toydarian and that’s why mind tricks don’t work on him. He could’ve been boasting to my knowledge it was just treated as a racial trait - which is a bit of a problem for lots of reasons.

[@shrouded8797]

​@@ForsakenKrios How is it a problem?

[@billjacobs521]

@@ForsakenKrios It could just mean that his race are so focused and pig-headed that mind tricks don't work. Especially since Watto didn't actually know he was dealing with a Jedi, so I always took it to mean "You can't trick or bully a Toydarian, we're a stubborn lot. Like Scots."

[@GoniMineCraft]

After watching a lot of Acolyte critics, hearing them point out how the space witches stronghold being located at a mountain being "to obvious to be unnoticed" reminded me of Wizard City from Adventure Time. The difference is in the ladder, the city was buried inside a magical cliff, that will temporarily disappear if a local says "Wizards rules" in front of it, thus granting granting access to anyone before it reappears. A kids cartoon made a decade ago did a better job at establishing a secret society of magic users than a modern day 180M USD series for "mature audience". 😬

[@viciousbagel]

i would make a joke about a cw live action version of this show but tbh i think that would be better than what we got

[@insensitive919]

That would be great! We could have Rachel Maddow play an alien

[@anyaabusable9888]

I'm not up voting this comment only because you're at 69 upvotes and I am a child.

[@fionarras4736]

Imagine a Farscape Type Version. Really scurrilous Aliens as Jedi doing Things. Might seem a bit low quality but it would still be better than what we got now. Hell even a CW type cop procedural in the high Republic would have been better.

[@blue-vr8dd]

at least CW shows tend to have some charm most the time. it dies out after a while but the Acolyte had the charm of a mole rat on the sex offenders list from the get-go.

[@commanderrico8892]

The Jedi after that episode: “We didn’t start the fire, it was already burning before we entered the building”

[@JoeyP7998]

100% chance this gets posted to Star Wars subreddits, no one watches it, and everyone dismisses your whole video/argument because you’re supposedly “alt-right”. Even though you are criticizing in good faith. Been seeing that happen a lot the last couple months.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Yeah man, crazy times we live in...

[@silverprimus321boi9]

Welcome to the longman club folks, have a seat and enjoy the drinks

[@herotyranus6540]

@@silverprimus321boi9tbf many long man reviewers are nutjob alt right anti-woke losers.

[@JasonSlazak]

disagree with first point. The "anakin blowing up the deathstar" line is not the main issue. The main issue is he acts like he likes star wars when he obviously knows nothing about it and it's disingenuous. Harrison Ford regularly got things wrong about the movies he was in but he made it abundantly clear he didn't give as shit. Which is something I can respect as opposed to the former.

[@brad5426]

Harrison earned his right to say he doesn't care about Starwars anymore because he has been a part of Starwars for decades. I guarantee if an actor from Disney starwars said the same thing now they would be drawn and quarterd.

[@brad5426]

The only exception I can think of is Bill Burr from Mandalorian but his role was a side character.

[@thomasredmin3412]

Respect is a strong word for Ford, but the primary point is something I just forgot about; guys a hollywood actor is two faced and lied! I could never expect this from someone Leslie cast!

[@hellothere2464]

except the actor literally said he’s a newer fan and he clearly just mixed up luke and anakin’s names

[@thomasredmin3412]

@@hellothere2464 I understand your point but doing it twice in different interviews means that he firmly believed he was correct. Tell me how many franchises you are a fan of and don't know the main characters name and I'll repeat back to you the franchises you are not a fan of (this is meant in a joking way. if you name several ensemble cast movies with 10+ main characters i will simply cry alone and not respond)

[@SenhorKoringa]

They literally called the one Korean guy “Seoul” JK Rowling ass name

[@jackallaster7710]

I thought it was Saul

[@snortsalineoflavender]

I thought it was soul💀

[@Dullahan161]

Moshe Goldwicz, the first Jewish Jedi

[@roguexxrenegade]

bro his name is Sol. Cry about anything else pls.

[@SenhorKoringa]

@@roguexxrenegade Oh wow they changed the one letter damn you really got us man

[@tziminadisnt]

The problem with Charlie Barnett is not that he got the lore wrong, but that he believes to have a bigger grasp on the themes and morals of Star Wars better than the other fans...whilst getting the fucking main characters wrong. That shows a level of ignorant arrogance that perfectly represents what's wrong with the industry. Harrison Ford not caring is one (sad) thing. But we don't have a interview where he says that Peter Parker is as bad as Thanos because he used to sell weapons. If you intend to disagree with a decade old theme, you better be able to fucking back it up.

[@wolfsruhm]

The thing is Ford nver claimed to care for Star Wars, actually in all interviews pertaining about Star Wars he always told: 'It was my job to do it, and so i did!' Does it matter he didn't like the character he was playing? No. Does it matter he was heavily in favor of Han dying in Empire? Also not. he still did a banger job during his performance. Also to those who claim that all he ever did was playing himself in hsi role.... You ppl never watched those movie clearly. While indy and Han had a view similar character traits, Dekkard is a completely different person, and So is Dr. Kimble in 'The Fugitive'... and i could go on and on. Granted i have not seen every movie Ford is in, buit from what i have seen, so far the only lackluster performance he gave was in Enders Game. Heck his performance in FA, for a role he hope to never had to play again, was still pretty good, despite the bockshit of a script he was given.

[@fenrirunshackled4319]

Adding onto the fact that Mundi would have suggested a rogue jedi during TPM, master Sifo-Dyas is missing so they even have a prime suspect.

[@NickLysander]

I liked your discussion of Sol's "failure" and I agree with it. I thought the show banked way too hard on the audience loving the witches and didn't do enough to earn that love. It's funny, because I remember feeling the almost same way about the Nightsisters when the CIS and Sith turned on them in TCW/Tales. Feels like Disney really really wants this "Force witch" thing to stick.

[@KingBuilder525]

I remember that episode of TCW. The writers probably expected us to side with the night sisters but I wanted the poor droids to finally get a win for once.

[@mrreyes5004]

Fr we saw the Nightsisters brainwash a decent man (Savage) into a hulking mindless monster and forced him to kill his own innocent brother, just for an unnecessary plot to kill Dooku. Literally, as in, Talzin already having Dooku's hair for the voodoo doll meant that training Savage to kill Dooku was entirely unneeded (the only reason Dooku survived the voodoo doll attack was because Grievous was conveniently in the right spot to stop it). Meaning that all the suffering and mind-rape that Savage endured was, in every way, for nothing. Besides Merrin and maybe Ventress, Star Wars just does NOT know how to make witches into sympathetic characters.

[@Dullahan161]

They were banking too much on the audience to be stupid enough to believe events that clearly do not happen to support the witches. Also I noticed in some scenes with asha and oso (whatever) that they don't act all too differently, as both are quiet. Makes me wonder how many reshoots were done and if they just used the same scenes but changed the character in them

[@ZeSheepShippa]

32:06 The reason we never see Palpetine use the force neuralizer trick in the OT or prequels is because he actually uses it all the time and we just can't remember it

[@basileusbasil4041]

nice

[@electricbayonet2]

58:43 What happened to Torbin was horrific (very good summary, btw), but now I’m even more pissed at how everyone in the show (and no small number of its defenders) treat him like he has an equal share of the ‘’’blame’’’ for what happened on Brendock. In an even _slightly_ better written version of this show, the fact that Mae kills him (and in such a sadistic way) would have been a major turning point for most characters, especially if it took place later in the season than episode fecking _two._ Sol would see his guilt at what had happened and his resolve to bring Mae in alive harden. What Aniseya did to Torbin was evil. What Mae did was compounded evil. Whatever mistakes Sol made in the past, someone truly innocent and suffering has died for it. Before, the mission was to bring Mae in. Now it’s to put her down. For Mae, it would be when she sees herself as too invested in her mission to turn back. Her plan to seek clemency with the Jedi would be insane after what she did because there would be no reasonable way to overlook it. This could be further reinforced with a fight against Sol post-Torbin that sharply contrasts one pre-Torbin. Whatever openings and vulnerabilities Sol may have had before are gone along with his defensive style, and Mae realizes to her horror that their last fight (and implicitly her fight with Indara) only went even remotely in her favor because of Sol’s now-vanished compassion. The fight ends brutally with something like Sol taking off a hand or snapping an arm, and Mae’s newfound fear and barely-escape would drive her further to her Master as she realizes just how inadequate her power is and is terrified of being found wanting ever again. I could go on, but this has gone on for a while and is rapidly turning into thinly-veiled fan fiction.

[@ethanmoon3925]

The one benefit to this show is that it serves as a creative writing prompt for thousands of fans because it BEGS for rewrites.

[@ardentlyconfused3503]

I hate that this show praises a woman for mind graping a child and then puts all the blame on the victim. Portraying his eventual suicide as justice served. It’s disgusting and way too many people are okay with it

[@mrreyes5004]

Nah, please go on cooking by all means. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I have read _actual fanfiction_ of Star Wars with far higher quality than Headland's $180 million atrocity. Mae getting beat that bad by an enraged Sol would also perfectly fit a great part of the Jedi Code; they hold back in fights to spare their enemies _because_ Jedi know how dangerous their skills are when let off the chain. So Mae getting a serious wake-up call that she actually _can't_ 1-v-1 a Jedi Master going all-out would be a great demonstration of that point. I mean, hell, _I'm_ starting to think about doing my own rewrite of the show with actual characters and logical plot (try to make Jecki, Yord, Vernestra and others into actual people, sensible domino-effect story beats that cause and effect each other, etc). Not sure where I would post it if I ever do, but I might just borrow inspiration from this awesome brainstorm. Much thanks for taking the time to put out some great ideas for a much better story than what we got.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

There's kind of a funny subtext that the scene though. As long as a white man is content to float serenely in his bubble of privilege there's absolutely nothing the black woman can do to him. The only way she can make any progress is if the white man just gives up. What an empowering message.

[@jackjones2454]

Honestly I would love to hear more. Cause this actually sounds like interesting stuff for characters and conflict. Go on, do what a multi-million dollar company cannot.

[@nothingman7163]

I am very sick and tired of poor writing and misplaced superiority complex getting in the way of proper story telling & interesting concepts from playing out in a good manner. The idea of two sisters being essentially the Yin & Yang of one another with their life experiences eventually resulting in a direct flip could have been very interesting. Plagueis messing around with emaculate birth before perfecting his craft with Anakin could have been incredibly interesting. We live in a time of endlessly deep pockets and shallow efforts.

[@mrreyes5004]

Seriously, there was potential right there for a decent story. How about instead of Mae killing Jedi because of a tragedy that _was HER OWN fault,_ it could've been a Tai Lung-type story where the Jedi brought up Mae and Osha under the false belief that either of them could be the Chosen One. Mae would instead of taking revenge for the Jedi throwing her (and I guess Osha) out after they realize that she in fact ISN'T the Chosen One. Boom, a more compelling motive AND a proper exploration of the whole "um, maybe Jedi be flawed" concept. Hell, maybe even have Qimir's backstory be a sort of parallel to that. Perhaps he USED to be Plagueis' Sith apprentice, but eventually grew fed up with the Sith's attachment to their long-term plan and left to pursue his own freedom. With Plagueis then hunting Qimir down both to punish his rebellion and to stop him from accidentally letting the Jedi know about the Sith. There, we have at least some kind of commonality between the twins and Qimir, with one twin following his descent to the Dark Side and the other twin holding strong and remaining allied to the Light Side. Or something like that, I'm just spitballing ideas for a maybe-fanfic better than the "canon" garbage we got.

[@mac1991seth]

Nonononono. No. Sheev. If an actor has got the gall to make the claim that Star Wars is about some moral relativism, there is no good or evil, everybody is doing some wrong, he better has the receipts to back it all up. Don't school me on a subject if your evidence is based on the most flimsy, incompetent way you remember the story. And that's it. If Charlie gets some basic facts about the Death Star, Luke and Anakin wrong, maybe he should shut the heck up and stick to acting. Otherwise it's hubris, incompetence and another instance of Hollywood bubble speaking out of the rear end. And the Ki-Adi Mundi debacle? It was never about the birthday "in a vacuum". It was that they pulled the man into the story that contradicts what Ki-Adi Mundi said in The Phantom Menace. It turned him into a liar or another incompetent, ignorant, oblivious Master.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Not to mention makes all the deaths on Geonosis on his (and the Jedi Counsel’s if Venestra told Yoda at the end of the series) head(s).

[@mac1991seth]

@@Lobsterwithinternet You're absolutely right, but the thing is, even if Ki-Adi didn't know about Quimir "the Sith", the Phantom Menace scene should be changed to: "It can't be Sith, maybe you fought another rogue Jedi. Master Sol went crazy about 80 years ago, killed a whole lot of Jedi, including his apprentice."

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@mac1991seth Along with changing how the prequels look as there should be Jedi Inquisitors all over the place monitoring all these ‘rogue orders’ and such along with the Jedi being locked up like the Mages are in Dragon Age.

[@donovan4222]

@@mac1991seth “maybe he should shut up and stick to acting” Lmao what do you want him to do then? Not answer interview questions? Also, Ki Adi Mundi was a terrible person and already incompetent…and he didn’t know about any Sith…

[@mac1991seth]

@@donovan4222 Lmao, what do you want Harrison "I don't care" Ford to do then? Not answer interview questions? I don't know, maybe he should've prepared to not make himself look like a donkey. There are options on the table other than "Anakin blew up the Death Star". If you really, really, REALLY need some Z lister to take part in an interview on Star Wars Celebration, that should've been a lay up, maybe don't feed him moral relativism and dubious talking points.

[@darienwest4748]

I, too, wondered why Bazil sabotaged the ship for no fucking reason even though he's supposed to be helping Sol. So I looked up a Collider interview where Leslie Headland explains why: "I think he’s kind of like, “What is going on with this guy?” I love Bazil, I wanted to give him a hero moment. I wanted Sol to be completely on edge." What the fuck??? This doesn't explain anything! Actually, if there's one thing this explains, its that the showrunners actively don't care about cause and effect. They just want things to happen for the sake of it, to get their action figures into the right positions, and don't care about the setup required for this to actually happen.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

*waves hand* "Vote yes on Proposition 2" ~Palpatine, mind controlling the entire Senate

[@claireh4756]

I used to get nightmares as a kid. I'd wake up so scared, and the way I learned to cope was to revisit the event in my mind, and rewrite it so nothing scary happened. I feel like some Star Wars fans have been probably been doing something similar to cope with how much of a nightmare it's become

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over and through me. When it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

[@MrNoscopeJones]

My problem with the interview was not that Charlie said that Anakin blew up the death star. My problem with the interview was that he thinks that Luke blowing up the death Star somehow is a morally ambiguous thing to do. I'm 90% sure that he's just making a reference to Clerks when he says that and that it wasn't a thought original to him anyway. And frankly, i think the idea that blowing up a planet gun thats about to kill everyone you care about is somehow "morally gray" is ridiculous

[@wolfsruhm]

Exactly just the idea that blowing up a heavily armed, planetoid destroying mobile weapons platform as akin to plunging a a whole (known) galaxy in to turmoil that costs trillions of trillions of lifes, and also result int he construction of said mobile weapons platform that just a few days to a weeks prior to its destruction destroyed a planet jsut for the laugh of it, can only be considered absolutely tonedeaf and ignorant.

[@advancedstupidity5459]

Pausing for a minute to address your point about R4 breaking down being a contrivance and therefore a writing flaw. I actually totally disagree, and I'm not just trying to blindly defend my beloved OT. The moment with R4 doesn't exist to create drama and tension, but to build on the lore of Star Wars and develop its characters. 1. It establishes that Jaws are like the Temu of Tatooine. They're scavengers that choose expediency over quality or integrity, and it shows in their product. It's more than reasonable to assume that they sell door to door because if they didn't, moisture farmers would just go into town and buy from a trusted vendor. The Jawas are a cheap and convenient option if you need serviceable droids and you're not too concerned with how ethically they were obtained. We see the interior of the sandcrawler as well and it's just a big pile of junk. Hell, look at the method by which they captured R2. Blasting a droid with a weaker constitution with one of those stun guns could easily cause a droid to malfunction. R4's bad motivator only further enforces the already established concept that Jawas are shady. 2. This scene further develops R2 and Threepio's relationship. After having an argument and splitting up, they are joyful to be reunited when they're captured by the Jawas, only for Threepio to say NOTHING when Owen chooses R4 instead of R2. If R4 hadn't broken down, Threepio would've abandoned R2 with the Jawas. Then when he gets Luke to have Owen buy R2 instead, he immediately holds out over his head. This is because Threepio is a bitch. The film goes to great lengths to show this character trait time and time again. It's a great little scene that does so much more than you implied. The real contrivance is that both R2 and Threepio ended up on the same sandcrawler when they went opposite directions.

[@ApophisTw0Thousand6309]

"The real contrivance is that both R2 and Threepio ended up on the same sandcrawler when they went opposite directions." And really how much of a contrivance is that? How many sandcrawlers are out there combing the same area of desert? And R2 and Threepio were going in exactly opposite directions. If they caught him first, they'd just followed his tracks in a mostly straight line right to R2.

[@Bladsmith]

@@ApophisTw0Thousand6309 That and they both move at like 1-2mph lol

[@billjacobs521]

Also, it's not really a contrivance since R4 being chosen first IN THE FIRST PLACE was arbitrary. Uncle Owen could have just bought him initially and then the story would have continued just the same; him choosing R4 was just as much a contrivance as R4 breaking, really--it was something that happened to create an interesting interaction.

[@haku8135]

@@billjacobs521 I'm pretty sure Sheev just doesn't know what a contrivance is. There's a difference between a contrivance and a coincidence. Like by his definition, literally anything happening in a movie is a contrivance because someone wrote that it happened when it could have happened any other way. A contrivance is when the universe BENDS to force the plot into an unnatural direction. A plot HOLE is when something IMPOSSIBLE happens in order to serve the plot. Examples. A contrivance is OSHA being arrested and then put conveniently on a ship manned by droids where one of the prisoners has the ability to hack droids with his brain. Basically that whole scene is a contrivance actually, her surviving the crash ONTO A PLANET out of hyperspace is probably a plot hole, but I'll be generous and say it's peak contrivance. A plot hole is Rose teleporting next to Finn's ship and crashing into him to stop him from suiciding in the laser then Finn impossibly carrying Rose all the way to the base in an open, white field that kicks up red dust with every step, with dozens of walkers armed with turrets looking RIGHT at them and they get back in without so much as a scratch. Totally impossible, plot hole. A scavenged droid breaking less than 3 minutes after it's turned on and moves around, is certainly not a contrivance.

[@nihluxler1890]

The reason R5 blew it’s cap the instant he tried to take a step is because he, like pretty much everything in the Jawas cargo, is junk. Most droids they happen to stumble upon wouldn’t have the maintenance standard of droids assigned to a diplomatic vessel. If anything it’s more surprising Owen didn’t pick both R2 and 3PO from the get go, or that he specifically needed both an astromech and a protocol droid in the first place.

[@wolfsruhm]

he probably picked the R5 unit because it had a lower price then R2, which obviously was in a better shape. And only with the R5 blowing up he could have gotten the R2 for the same price (if not even with a ) due to being sold a broken product

[@thomasredmin3412]

Sheev's opening scrawl about people complaining about minute details like Ki Adi's age as if getting all the details wrong writing A PREQUEL isn't the most horrifying possibility for fans because it means that the author of the script can and will harm established characters and lore. At this point, Sheev's entire beginning was "hey guys I hate this story for its WRITING hahahaha so don't group me into the people who hate the story for its writing AND IT HURTING THEIR CHILDHOODS" and its not the first video to do this (if you include podcasts, of which I watched all of them, past tense) Don't forget that during his opening he ALSO said that people being angry at actors for not knowing incredibly core and basic simple easy to understand facts that, no Sheev, they should know even as an EXTREMELY casual "***fan*** coming in". The fact that no one corrected him the first time and the actors not having any knowledge whatsoever of the franchise is a WARNING SIGN. Sometimes they are wrong. Not here. Why didn't anyone, I don't know, tell him? Why didn't they cut that statement out of either of the videos? If the answer is they don't care, that's the issue

[@SheevTalks]

I think you misunderstood my point. An actor not knowing a piece of SW trivia and a character being alive at this point in the timeline when there’s nothing canonically saying they can’t be are NOT examples of writing problems, and that’s why I don’t uphold them as issues.

[@thomasredmin3412]

@@SheevTalks I don't consider it trivia to know the main character's name tl;dr Mundi isn't said to age slower than humans in the prequels, so implied canon and non disney canon say he shouldn't be in acolyte, and maybe disney canon but I stopped reading those after a rebels novel I see. I've been a fan for a while and we agree on writing problems not being only those that are explicitly stated, and include those implied. In my opinion (and possibly faulty memory), on the council in the prequels everyone bar Yoda's species are pretty much considered to age normally. Mundi looks like an older man but hasn't lived 10000 years and defers to Yoda for wisdom, even acts brash, and looks like a big headed human. The other aliens that don't show aging as clearly show it through voice and are all very clearly at a stage in life like middle aged or something, like Dexter isn't 1000 years old he's just an adult. In my opinion and based on established lore, if not canon, and implied canon, Mundi should not be able to live the extra hundred years when he appears in acolyte, and I consider that a story issue

[@anyaabusable9888]

To reiterate, Mundi serves no story purpose whatsoever. He's only here to character assassinate the Jedi Order. More. Insert the "Stop! he's already dead!" Reaction gif here.

[@dissraps]

You think most actors sit there and nerd out about MUH LORE? Knowing who blew up the death star has literally no relation to his character, his performance, or anything to do with him. Him being able to ERM AKSHULLY some sweaty neckbeard about what species Yoda is is completely irrelevant to acting. I hate to break it to you but most actors don't care about the franchise they're in. That's why they're ACTORS and not NERDS because they're A C T I N G

[@billjacobs521]

@@dissraps Yeah, except he claimed to be a fan and was lecturing the audience. I don't care if he's an actor or a janitor; if you're going to claim greater knowledge, then get the most basic facts wrong, then you're an idiot.

[@Darkstar-qb3dh]

Ki-adi Mundi being alive in this show is an issue because the sith have been extinct for a millennia, but now he is part of the group that knows, SO IT IS DUMB!!!!!

[@SouthpawLP]

Him being a part of the group that knows is the issue, not him merely being alive. If he were, say, in the background, or in a scene where he's clearly NOT part of the group that knows, his species' life expectancy being different from Legends isn't itself an issue. Hence what Sheev said about people getting lost in the weeds about a detail that ultimately isn't material to the real issue.

[@hoos3014]

Not only does Ki-Adi-Mundi NOT know about Qimir, the Sith have obviously not been extinct. Being wrong is the only thing Ki-Adi-Mundi has ever been good at.

[@donovan4222]

He doesn’t know anything that the rest of the order doesn’t know…did people even watch the show?

[@billjacobs521]

@@donovan4222 Uh, he knows that an evil Force-user has been going around killing master Jedi--while this doesn't AUTOMATICALLY mean Sith, it should certainly set off alarm bells, as not too many other Force users are other thees, and especially not ones able to 1v1 a Jedi Master. Did YOU watch the show?

[@donovan4222]

@@billjacobs521 Did you not watch? They pinned it all on Sol…so why would they assume it’s a sith who hasn’t been seen in hundreds of years?

[@yokesplooge2852]

Aniseya-"Someday, those noble intentions you all have will destroy every jedi in the galaxy” Also Aniseya-"By the way i'm letting you take my daughter so you can teach her to be a Jedi."

[@Durgemann]

1:02:29 Want to CONSOLE? The only reason she needs consoling is _because_ of him. He killed all of her friends/colleagues then spent the entire next episode goading her into giving into the dark side. There's no "sorry I killed all your friends" conversation, nor any remorse for doing so. Any attempt to "console" would just be him exploiting Osha's vulnerabilities because he created them. I mean, a manipulative sith makes sense. It's a trait I'd expect from a sith lord. But it seems like everyone involved behind the scenes doesn't realize what's going on here and thinks he's just being kind and caring, and that makes it so infuriating.

[@wolfsruhm]

it's 50 shades of Grey all over again

[@hk1371]

See, that's the issue with this show. They have literally written it that if you just shift the theme to seeing the Sith as bad, then that scene would have made us go "oh no! He's manipulating her!" as a genuine way of fear. But the way the show ACTUALLY WANTS TO present it (as well as how it wants to portray the Jedi as the big bad) is that it's a new relationship and we should be happy.

[@Fatsaver]

Your smiley thumbnails are everything lmfao

[@AimlessSavant]

A fire that looks to be in an atmosphere when it clearly isn't has more to do with the quality of the production than the plot. Its a quick easy way to put fire on the ship instead of actually considering what a flame looks like bursting from the hull into a vaccum. It doesn't destroy the world by itself, but in tandem with other descisions it is noticable enough to weaken the investment because of it being a cheap solution to a problem.

[@donovan4222]

@@AimlessSavant Every Star Wars since a new hope has had fires in space…

[@anyaabusable9888]

​@@donovan4222 but you only need fire extinguishers in an atmosphere. Otherwise, you just, you know, turn a valve.

[@AimlessSavant]

​​​@@donovan4222explosions in space are not the same as a literal open flame in space. Fire can exist in space, but it doesn't look like a campfire with a slight breeze.

[@donovan4222]

@@AimlessSavant They literally are. Balls of fire shoot out of every ship that gets shot in Star Wars, a giant fireball swallowed the millennium falcon in the Death Star, ships catch on fire and go down all the time. The Malevolence was ON FIRE for like 2 whole episodes of TCW show flying through space, like active burning fires, with droid fire crews putting them out both inside and out. In those same episode, Anakin lost 2 clones when a Y-Wing blew up after smoking, then catching fire and exploding.

[@billjacobs521]

@@donovan4222 They are literally not; if you blow apart a container full of oxygen and fuel, you will absolutely get a fireball, yes, until the fuel and/or the O2 runs out. But this is different from a "literal open flame in space."

[@alexshepherd1283]

I think it's a mistake to say the jedi (during the flashbacks) were in the right. It would also be a mistake to say the witches were in the right. The show did such a bad job of explaining everyone's motives that I've just given up on episodes 3 and 7; trying to explain why one side was right is like trying to explain how lighting a stone floor on fire can destroy a generator several rooms away.

[@haku8135]

I agree, but also, the Jedi were interested in the safety and well being of some children in a dark side CULT, that they had reason to believe might potentially be intending to sacrifice them to some crazy force thing. Every time Sol saw the witches interact with the children, it was negative. Their "mother" literally tossed them to the ground with the force, INCHES away from stone steps that they could've cracked their skulls on, for literally no reason at all. She BRANDED one of the girl's foreheads and until the Jedi interrupted them, they were coercing OSHA into accepting the evil brand as well, even though she said multiple times before the ceremony even began that she DID NOT want this. They mind raped Torbin for literally no reason, when the Jedi were literally nothing but honest with them, and only intruded because of the whole children dark side cult thing, which again THEY WERE CORRECT, they stopped her from being BRANDED. That's probable cause, they were justified in entering the compound. This planet has no laws either way, so legally speaking they COULD kill anyone they wanted and the Republic couldn't do anything, because this planet is international waters, but I digress. When Torbin, as a result of being mind raped and having his desire to go home cranked up to 11, went to go get the girls as proof, Sol stopped him and they only entered the compound AGAIN because Sol sensed Mae trying to BURN OSHA ALIVE, which she did because HORN MUM told Mae to get angry and force OSHA into staying by any means necessary, causing her to immediately DESTROY their only way to exit the compound which she then SET ON FIRE. Saying anyone was or wasn't in the "right" doesn't really matter, the Jedi were JUSTIFIED the entire time, and they never did anything ILLEGAL and operated in good faith the whole time. They even requested PERMISSION to test the girls, and the Jedi Council, despite learning how strong these girls could be, told them to leave them alone, but the lesbian witches INSIST if they pass the test they will FORCIBLY take them away, despite the Jedi telling them outright they do NOT kidnap children, and never making any moves TO take them away. The Jedi are absolutely in the right, no, as stupid as all this nonsense is, and it is VERY fucking stupid, the Jedi if you just examine the sequence of events, their motivations and their manner of operation, the Jedi were clearly good people and the witches were evil and caused EVERY step leading to their deaths. I should remind you, horn mum SURVIVED, and she explicitly abandoned her child that "she carried", ditching both twins, despite Mae having ended up and waiting for quite some time near the tree the mum found the girls at HOURS ago so she clearly knows about it. She just ditched them entirely, but she's alive, she teleported away with the retarded smoke monster powers. The Jedi were in the right.

[@Nacho2003YT]

Yeah, the memory wipe thing pissed me off as well. Literally the only other character we had ever seen do that was a fucking Mortis God

[@The_Mongoose]

I'd argue terrible writing is disrespecting the audience in itself. And telling us we aren't allowed to mention the fire in space or the so-far understood age of Ki-Adi is goalpost shifting. All problems are fair game, regardless of size.

[@SheevTalks]

No one said you weren’t allowed to mention fire in space. But if it’s the only thing anyone talks about for two weeks, it gets old. You’re allowed to talk about the Ki-Adi-Mundi thing, but seeing as how it’s not an accurate criticism to make, the point kind of falls flat.

[@hunts4209]

The only bad thing the jedi did was lie, Meanwhile the witches Did stuff like Possessing a wookie jedi against his will and basically causing every single bad thing to happen in those flashback episodes including the fire. Whats with media trying to potray self defense as a bad thing lately?

[@billjacobs521]

Well, Hollywood is a big fan of laws that make self-defense illegal, or at least difficult to justify, so I'm not surprised.

[@Hepheat75]

I can't believe this show has a weirdly passionate fanbase. Not shaming anyone for liking the show, but I'm just confused as to how someone could like this disater of a story.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

I'd imagine more than a few people who "like" it actually don't and are just defending it for political reasons.

[@robertb7293]

Aside from more people knowing Luke blew up the Death Star than can speak English, I see absolutely no problem with the internets full spectrum nit pick of this series. From It's smallest problems, to It's overarching themes. Acolyte deserves every roast. Secondly. I too am tired of being told that the game gets fun 100 hours in. It's like, if they've been busted putting ibis in the chicken, and the beef tastes like kangaroo, but I bet the mystery pork will be to die for.

[@HEHEHE_I_AM_A_SUPAHSTAR_WARRIA]

Making Qimir and Osha some sort of Reylo 2 sounds like a terrible idea because within the show's own logic Osha has no reason to like this guy considering Yord and Jecki should still be innocent in her mind and the only reason she even joins him is because he would've killed Mae otherwise. The dynamic should obviously be an uneasy one where Osha will inevitably try to betray Qimir whose fully aware of the risks of taking an unwilling apprentice. Plus Qimir being a Sith means that any romance that does occur should be taken with a grain of salt since he's obviously manipulating her to get what he wants, whatever that is. So if they tired to actually make it romantic and not "manipulator is taking advantage of an unstable Osha" would be awful

[@dzigayu4944]

I'm pretty sure at this point there's a competition amongst LucasFilm writers to see who can get away with doing the most damage to the lore and continuity.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

It's not just that and if that's just what they were doing it would be annoying but not insulting. Their worst sin is creating a bunch of absolutely awful TV.

[@leetom5281]

Wait until they release the new Grandmaster "Rey" Movie. What an insult to Luke Skywalker

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Who? You mean that grumpy old fraud?

[@lukepauls8847]

the pre hate these shows are getting is just our response to noticing the patterns in the marketing for the poorer quality shows

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

We can't help but be suspicious when the hype for a show is about something other than the show itself.

[@lukepauls8847]

@@BiggieTrismegistus indeed

[@lukew6725]

When the director says that it's going to be "the gayest Star Wars show ever" I think I already have a pretty good idea of what the quality level is gonna be. 😂

[@garuga1512]

It's so sad that the acolyte punished Sheev for trying to provide for his starving family of 10, justice for the grifters

[@dronicx7974]

Not only are Osha and Mae "chosen ones", but they start as good and bad and then both switch sides. They were trying to do wayyyy too much with these two characters and had 0 talent and 0 lore appreciation to pull this off in a way that made sense. It's like they were trying to tackle a billion "smart" themes with these two characters, but all they ended up with is something as surface level as the first sentence in this comment.

[@madvulcan8964]

The acolyte is a hollowed out Ferrari, tires replaced with balloons, inside is gutted, paint is there but it’s the cheap stuff. The only thing that is authentic is the chassis, but even that is made of the poor metal. Despite all those flaws, people still cling to the believe that that piece of junk is somehow still a Ferrari.

[@tangroro]

I'm not a big fan of the "if it's good, I don't care if it's faithful to the source material", because when you're using other people's work, basically getting free publicity and exposure which you didn't help create, there's integrity you must uphold For example, Dune is one of the greatest Sci-Fi novel ever, it's thought provoking and deep, but if someone made a movie adaptation, and changed it completely, made it a Marvel-esque popcorn flick, but it's super great and considered action classic for years to come, will it be ok? I think it'll be unfair to the author and the fans, since Dune will now be forever tarnished with a different image, and it's not what the fans want to see, yet from now on whenever they bring up their favorite fiction Dune, people will only associate it with spectacle and CGI etc.

[@Thulzor]

03:20 It was not what everybody was talking about. It was the only thing the defenders of the show latched onto because they couldn't defend anything else.

[@ValyrianPrince]

Exactly it’s irritating

[@donovan4222]

@@Thulzor Star Wars theory made a whole video freaking out that wookiepedia changed ki Adi Mundi’s birthday to the point where his fans were harassing wookiepedia creators

[@thesixth2330]

@@donovan4222 Theory expressly told his fans NOT to harass anyone EVER. If you think its okay to change the lore of the show while its going on because writers are too stupid to write anything better...

[@donovan4222]

@@thesixth2330 I’m just debunking the claim that “no one was upset about the birth date” theory clearly was and so were many of his fans. Also they didn’t change any lore because Mundi didn’t have any canon birthdate

[@thesixth2330]

@@donovan4222 thanks for the clarification. Although I disagree that Mundi had no DOB. HE appeared in Episode 1, he definitely exist in canon and as such has a DOB. Also they gave it in a book I believe. I realize that Disney made all old canon irrelevant as 'Legends' but they don't even follow the lore that they are trying to create. Its garbage writing by people who don't know or don't care about what the IP was. The issue is what it was, is what the established fans liked about it. The reason I thought Disney purchased Star Wars to begin with. To have access to the largest fan base in sci-fi cinema. And Theory was not really upset about the DOB, it was more about making the Jedi Counsel a bunch of idiots as now there is a self-declared SITH before the Phantom Menace, something Mundi said was impossible. So are he and Yoda re grossly incompetent, stupid, or complicit. Where do I even Start? Its pure Garbage bud. thanks for the convo :)

[@storymaster21]

The memory wipe ability really breaks everything. Instead of Obi Wan being like "If you strike me down now I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine..." Vader could just be like: *gestures with hand* you will forget everything, your name is Tim, you live in North Dkota andd you cannot control your bowels." Tim: Poop m pants!

[@fauzanabdulkahfi957]

There is a thing called force barrier buddy

[@wisdommanari6701]

​@@fauzanabdulkahfi957not in the movies. It doesn't matter if it exists in books and video games

[@fauzanabdulkahfi957]

@@wisdommanari6701 it exist lmao there is a reason obi wan got ragdolled in force contest while Anakin was rarely got force pushed

[@Dullahan161]

This show is a tragic story of a man being punished for doing the right thing. Saul was acting in sepf defense and scapegoated by the green lady

[@yaboiportch]

The Acolyte stole every left shoe I own and took a dump in my spice cabinet

[@charlesman8722]

You do know that Luke blowing up the death star is casual knowledge right?

[@sassenspeyghel4155]

*Anakin 🙄

[@donovan4222]

@@charlesman8722 The actor doesn’t need common knowledge, they just need to act well. They don’t control what the character says or does or the plot.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

Well he's technically getting the event right, just the name wrong

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

It was the whole rebellion that did that Luke is just the guy that manage get the job done. It is weird that people think he single handlely destroy the death star

[@billjacobs521]

@@SWANSWAN-nc7ds He did--he single-handedly fired the torpedos in that destroyed the Death Star, a very difficult shot in the best circumstances. @donovan4222 The actor also didn't need to start making arguments to defend the show, that's not his job either, yet he did, and he was stupid, so we mock him for not knowing something everyone and their mother is aware of.

[@PJ-Creativity]

So funny how when they try and portray the Jedi as good people they make them look like maniacs and war criminals, but when they attempt to show their corrupt side they make them seem good and reasonable. They really can’t be bothered to do anything right huh?

[@LyricalXilence]

So let me get this straight. The show wants to paint the Jedi as bad....for defending children?

[@breakpoint1875]

I stopped watching star wars things a while ago, but your commentary in general is really good. As a side note, i fucking love these over the top titles lmao, i die laughing every single time

[@Crim-kun]

if you cant get the small stuff right the low effort very easy ro fix to borders on laziness to not get it right how do you expect them to fix bigger mistakes beause they will not get it right the first time enough thats its rare. while it take alot of sand to make a beach its still sand small mistakes pile up and when you have a budget with 9 digits in you are expected to do work worth those 9 digits

[@betrayfate9772]

Out of everything in this show the thing that bothers me most how how quickly they seem to fly around the galaxy as if you can go from one end to the other in like five minutes

[@NiohArcadia]

I'm loving the length of these titles 😂

[@vaggos2003]

We need to rank them based on how much Sheev hates each thing he reviewed.

[@ChoseeComprende]

There is third option about Plagueis you didnt mention ... That he is just there, for the sake of cameo. He had no purpose, and Leslye had no plan with him ... she just could put him there, so she did ... end of the story.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

She's all but confirmed that Smylo Ren is Plagueis apprentice.

[@Sornemus]

What do you mean by "different continuity"? Ki Adi Mundi was present in prequel films. They are Canon. The Acolyte events happen at roughly 100 years before that. And this show is also Canon. So any reasonable person would be surprised to see some otherwise very human-like character to live that long. Canon only ever established that Yoda species are lond-living, and that's it. Any other is presumed to be same as humans. So the question stands - why the heck is he alive? I don't care what Wookiepedia retconned there - because if I only watch films and TV series of Star Wars, I will have no clue why this character transcends centuries.

[@SheevTalks]

You’ve made up an arbitrary rule that all species *must* be presumed to have the same lifespan as humans unless told otherwise, and are now mad that they didn’t adhere to said arbitrary rule. The irony being that Mundi being alive 100 years prior to the prequels IS canonically establishing his species can live that long. The same way TESB having Yoda say he’d been training Jedi for 800 years was THAT movie establishing canonically that his species lives for centuries. Do you see how that works?

[@LordRevan-vi2op]

@sornemus by different continuity he means legends. It’s completely fine for a species to live longer than a human. His age isn’t the issue, his character being there is.

[@tehrulefoo]

@@LordRevan-vi2op My understanding from following the whole Mundi controversy is that even in Disney canon Cereans dont live much longer than humans and they just stated that Mundi was an 'exceptionally long-lived' one. But the issue isn't that they changed some background character's age. What people are mad about is them doing it for a cheap cameo in a bad story where it makes no sense for that character to be there in the first place.

[@gimzod76]

I know it's a very minor thing but anyone else find it rather hilarious that the witches are using bows and arrows in universe where blasters are commonly available. I mean English longbowmen had warped arms for a reason.

[@donovan4222]

@@gimzod76 plasma bows are a pretty common weapon for the night sisters and zygerrians in Star Wars

[@Bannschwert]

I mean... I can accept it. They don't live on a high tech planet, they can probably just build bows themselves, etc. Maybe there is also a meditation aspect to it, as there is e.g. in Japan, where Kyudo is part sport, part meditation. That would fit with Force witches.

[@mrrdirty6198]

​@@donovan4222 I could accept it, if it was a sci Fi bow. It's just a regular bow, with a red tipped arrow. Which makes it hilarious.

[@donovan4222]

@@mrrdirty6198 Lol I guess energy for the bows wasn’t in the budget

[@blacklistedpirate4169]

unfair hate!?!?! have you not seen the show? shit wasnt hated on nearly enough

[@SheevTalks]

Doesn’t mean all the hate was fair. Use your brain please

[@blacklistedpirate4169]

@@SheevTalks they can get "fair hate" when they decide to make a fair show instead of the shit streak they are on

[@SouthpawLP]

​@@blacklistedpirate4169You don't have to critique in bad faith in order to hate something, and valid problems don't justify bad faith.

[@Dullahan161]

This show was HORRIBLE. Only good part was Saul

[@TriariusMetzer]

I think you down played the lack of knowledge on the lore for an actor to know. I think you have a decent reasons why you think that way but i just disagree overall. If you are trying to get hype for the show fumbling the lore is like kicking the fans in the shin. The fans will pay attention but they are not happy. The issue i have with the actor messing up twice and not understanding that they messed up. It shows they don't care about the role/IP. Its a pay day and i have worked jobs for a pay check and let me tell you i did just enough to scrape by. I don't blame the actor as i will agree he doesn't need to put in the extra effort but then the director/higher-ups has to put in that extra work to make sure they get the best from the actor. The people in charge should make the actors aware of the basics of the IP. They should make the actors know enough and its clear they didn't. This is why its so important it shows the failure of the people in charge. It also show the lack of care and passion the actor has for being actor and wanting to get into the role. They need to know the basics from the main cannon. Specially if being a spokesman for the brand. This is why its such a massive failure to me it shows the people in charge didn't care and the actor didn't care particularly because those in charge didn't care. Those feelings then will spread to others on set and soon noone is giving their best.

[@billjacobs521]

How do you not know the most basic stuff, yeah. Also, I agree; the argument is that he was obliged to be there to hype the show, orders from above, but those same orders say he can both screw up basic facts and ALSO take a dump over the moral theme of the entire series? No, he's just an idiot.

[@TheREALSimagination]

Little Platoon pointed out that Sol knocks out Mei because she's trying to contacxt the Council (he didn't say if he believed Sol had figured if she was Mei or not). I hadn't considered that, for obviously odd reasons, though it's still confusing.

[@42Mrgreenman]

52:50 Just noticed another weird nitpick, if any of the jedi were to unalive themselves, it should have been Kalnakka, as we see by Torbin's scars, Kalnakka used his claws when he hit him, and even though he wasn't "In control" It's still a cardinal sin in wookie society, and would be a neat callback to Zalbaar's arc from KOTOR...

[@prometheus4257]

The worst part of all is that the big picture plot of the show is really cool and asks some really interesting lore questions. The problem is that its so bad about details that you can't be sure which questions (if any) were seeded by the writers and which are plot holes.

[@kingDowahs]

These titles are getting better and better, and more accurate

[@hubertwaliszewski5740]

It's funny how Plageuis is the second character to be made older in the disney canon, given that he would be a kid, if this show stuck to the original thing. Also, why Plageuis. Why not Tenebrous. I think that cameo would've been much cooler and when I heard 100 years before Phantom Menace I thought about him.

[@DagothLeb]

I'm more excited to watch your videos than actual Star Wars media nowadays

[@crazyscotsman9327]

For the record memory wiping or memory rub did exist in the Legends continuity and was used. However never used on a force wielder or someone strong willed. The only time I think it was done was to a random dock worker to alter the color of some mandalorians armor (so he’d give a false trail.)

[@sergioruiz733]

Im pretty sure Jacen used it on Ben Skywalker in the Dark Nest Trilogy when he goes to Hapes with him.

[@petrhruska377]

Sheev's video titles are for some reason more interesting than the shows he makes the videos about.

[@daviddavis3939]

The issue of an actor saying something stupid is a problem precisely because it happened on more than one occasion. I know it is hard to spend a single day learning the absolute basics of a franchise that is as big as star wars, and gosh it is just so difficult being one of the faces of a massive franchise installment. The poor baby actor has it so bad. Oh wait, the actual problem is they said it once, and then no one on the production or the interviewers or someone at lucasfilm said to him "maybe don't say that retarded shit a second time. Make your point without the reference or get it right because people care about this series."

[@somethingfunny2199]

That doesn’t make it any less bottom of the barrel. Boo hoo the actor hired for a show set centuries before the Skywalker Saga made himself look like a dumbass, oh well. His learning material should at most be High Republic era media and potentially anything pertaining to the Jedi Order before PM, everything else is extra credit. To pretend something this minute is really that big of an issue is so petty and lazy.

[@Spectre558]

I just think stuff like the 'fire burning in space' tends to be an indicator that the writers/directors don't care about the details of what they're making. Yeah, there's plenty of minor errors even in great pieces of media, but when the people making a show set in space don't understand that fire can't burn in a vacuum (at least not in the way it's depicted in the Acolyte), it's a very bad sign for the rest of the show to come.

[@amusingmoose9924]

I wish I could get the quote right, but it was something like “passion for a project shines through the most in small details” and having worked on a huge spriting mod for Binding of Isaac, I can attest to that being true.

[@hatuletoh]

Yord VPN repeatedly saying Anakin blew up the Death Star is akin to saying "in the words of Don Corleone: 'go ahead, make my day.'" It just means that person is functionally illiterate about pop culture, which is fine, but such people should avoid talking about the subject they know nothing about, especially to express opinions that contradict the established lore they know nothing about.

[@wisdommanari6701]

That doesn't fucking matter because as an actor he did a phenomenal job. He does not have to know the Lore as long as he knows his lines and can' convey the character well what he did that's all that matters.

[@ApophisTw0Thousand6309]

@@wisdommanari6701 When you do the press circuit and get basic facts about the universe you acting as a part of wrong while attempting to speak as some kind of authority on the themes of that universe, you are going to get made fun of. That's how it do.

[@SirShadeyy]

The plot structure of this show was mind boggling. Two episodes made solely for flashbacks placed within the season at times that didn’t make sense. I also don’t fully understand the point of this show. What was the point? What story was being told. I know this makes me sound like an idiot but I genuinely don’t know what story they wanted to tell.

[@gooey7745]

The point of a prequel show is, hopefully, to give us an extra piece of a puzzle we were missing to provide more (needed or otherwise) context on the initial story. So...if the entire story was just "guy mindwipes girl to kill some random jedi, then never tells anyone how to mindwipe and dies while the jedi order also never has a record of said event happening"...what's...the point? Even if this conclusion happened through an actually well-written and nuanced tale...it doesn't serve a purpose...at all.

[@alexlee4154]

I swear sheev its like you get angrier and angrier at no one in particular every video

[@nagger8216]

Yeah, the strawman arguments are starting to get tiring, honestly.

[@mrreyes5004]

Tbf it's justified here when you have shills who seriously defend Aniseya _mind-raping Torbin_ and then the narrative gaslights _Torbin_ as the bad guy instead of her. It's one thing to defend bad writing by claiming "iT's FoR kIds!" (which is still stupid), or that the Jedi are corrupt despite being shown as reasonable. It's another thing to defend a character doing something as heinous as mentally violating a teenager and then that character's death is treated as some tragic misunderstanding, instead of treating it as Aniseya getting her comeuppance.

[@alexlee4154]

@@mrreyes5004 I don't so much take issue with getting mad about the show, I'm more talking about the stuff at the start.

[@hk1371]

​@alexlee4154 I mean, Sheev has a point. The issue is the part people are choosing to make the problem of those parts. Ki-Adi Mundi being alive isn't an issue because Canon and Legends are two different continuations. He can be alive and cleaning the Jedi Temple restrooms at this time. Because it only goes against 3rd party media that isn't canon to this timeline. HOWEVER, the actual issue lies in Mundi being anywhere near the info concerning Sol, Qimir and the twins. Because that directly contradicts with the movies. And the movies are canon in both timelines. With the actor getting a name wrong, that by itself is not a bad thing. But where you should put the argument is in that he was trying to act like her knew better than the fan about the moral stances. Whilst getting basic facts wrong and making a dumb point (no one should be saying Luke was wrong to blow up the death star beyond memeing) The issue sheev is pointing out is that the hate is focused on the small things rather than the entire criticism. Which makes the discourse harder because it just focuses on the "what is wrong" rather than the "why it's wrong"

[@othertalk3313]

Of course you're right about the "Death Star fiasco" in saying that actors really don't have to know that kind of thing, even if it does seem like very basic info (and it is). However... it does become a problem when they decide to stand proudly by this lack of even the most basic understanding of Star Wars while making all sorts of claims about not-so-basic issues such as good and evil, how perspective plays into that, acceptable levels of collateral damage in war, the degrees to which a population is complicit with the actions of its evil (or maybe not evil -- it depends how you look at it) rulers and government, and so on and so forth, and doing all of that in order to say to fans, "Nah, see... The Acolyte is just as good as those old-ass movies... we have captured the essence of Star Wars right here. And here's my go-to example of my understanding of that essence and why you're gonna love this show... [insert aforementioned Death Star fiasco quotes here]" -- Oh, and the cherry on top... neither the interviewer or anybody else on the panel ever jumps in with a quick "Anakin?" as you would do if you suspected it was just a slip of the tongue and wanted to give him a chance to get back on track, with the reason being that they most likely just think he's right, and that he's saying something really profound. They're looking up at such mediocrity. TL;DR version: You're right, but actors are just really f--king annoying sometimes. 😏

[@Alpha23TV]

The Jedi order… a well meaning, disciplined, principled, patient, near flawless and tradition(ed) organization… continues to fall victim to writers that are NONE of those things…

[@notthefbi7015]

This complaint doesn't make sense as the jedi at the time are supposed to be corrupt. I agree the jedi is portrayed stupidly in this show but like they aren't supposed to be good guys rn

[@Alpha23TV]

@@notthefbi7015 I was never aware of the Jedi under Yoda as being corrupt. But ok. Sure I guess!

[@SpaceMan377]

Thank you Sheev Talks for reminding me that I shouldn't get Disney+

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

You should still sail the high seas to watch it though. If you don't you're missing out on a great comedy.

[@Quirrel]

Wow Actor didnt know one of the most basic star wars story things that everyone else knows. Insane that you defend him. Its was not some randon thing that only fans know but the most basic thing like WHO DESTROYED THE DEATH STAR. Cmon man

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

It’s more of a bad look for the project If the actor doesn’t get the lore that’s fine but if he slips up like that on camera then the writers didn’t keep him informed

[@wolfsruhm]

@@KRobinson-ko1ne not only that he made this comment TWIC$E. Whoich means after tzhe first time, noone got over to him and corrected him

[@mikester8171]

Last thing anyone needs in a video essay is a southpaw segment

[@SouthpawLP]

Cry about it.

[@TheJst100]

I 100% agree with the mind control thing. It's taking away someone's agency with their intimacy.

[@donovan4222]

I can’t say I agree with this…do we apply this logic to all mind control/mind manipulation in fantasy then? Like is genjutsu from Naruto the same as SA?

[@tehy123]

Bruh, "who blew up the death star" is not some obscure SW lore, it's something anyone could tell you. Plus it's a follow up on the last dumb thing he said, meaning he (or his PR guy) definitely should've been prepared. And it's a stupid statement even if he got it right! This is definitely proof that something ain't right.

[@victorc8855]

at this point i'm half cheering for star wars shows to continue sucking just so we can continue getting these incredibly entertaining videos thrashing the show