The Acolyte flogged me through the streets for stealing a loaf of bread to feed my starving children

At long last, I can stop talking about this show.
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[@SheevTalks]

Just gonna say if you clicked on this hour-long video of me ripping into this show as one of the worst pieces of Star Wars ever made, and the first 3 minutes where I defend one tiny thing about it has somehow convinced you I like the show, you’re an idiot. I’m not being nice about this one. I’ve gotten too many of these comments. If you watched the opening and concluded that I like The Acolyte you’re a fucking moron.

[@storymaster21]

Because Kylo Ren knock-off (no I will not use his name) is Vernestras ex padawan and she was the one that both created him and put those scars on his back.

[@Bob_99.1]

Starwars fan hivemind moment

[@tcorkern75]

The problem with your first 3 minutes is that you hand wave legitimate criticisms and act like they don't matter while acting like your superior to those who do criticize these things. The reason the Mundi cameo and fire in space things blew up is because these are examples of the writers not caring at all. Literally, all it would have taken is for the writers to do a Google search, but they couldn't even do that. The only one you kinda have a point on is the actor mixing up Luke and Anikin, and even then, you just ignore the other reason that clip was criticized. The problem with his statement is that he was completely misrepresenting Star Wars, trying to make it some morally grey story when the series is as black and white as it gets. Also, there's a part where you say other critics are focusing too much on these details. I don't know the other critics, but i know with drinker that's just not true. His criticisms for those scenes were small parts of his videos. He did the same thing you're doing with this video, but you're trying to make yourself seem superior to him and the other critics. It gives off major. "I don't like the acolyte, but I'm not like those other people who don't like the acolyte I'm one of the good ones" energy and overall makes you seem condescending to people who otherwise would agree with you.

[@storymaster21]

@@tcorkern75 you can fire a gun in a vacuum because the flames are contained and come internally. Fire can burn in a vacuum as long as fuel exists to ignite it. In the show the flames likely burned from internal ignition sources.

[@jeniskindof]

You ok? I mean you watch the acolyte so I should know the answer to that but it sounds like you're pretty upset not trying to tease you or anything this is genuine concern.

[@insomniacnerd5592]

The Acolyte poisoned my water supply, burned my crops, and delivered a plague upon my house.

[@fissilewhistle]

It did?

[@jackallaster7710]

​@@fissilewhistle yes

[@evilbird4012]

@@fissilewhistleno, but are we going to wait until it does?

[@fissilewhistle]

@@evilbird4012 I say… we tip something over!

[@sinistersweet5236]

​@@fissilewhistle Ok, now what???

[@thepebbleinstitute7702]

Acolyte joins the now concerningly large group of shows in which “if the character correctly explained the situation the story would break” is a dangerous drinking game.

[@RC-qf3mp]

It’s like watching an episode of the Brady Bunch. Only poorly written. Half the plots were somebody misunderstanding listening in half the conversation of two other people. 🤦‍♂️

[@theimpersonator7086]

Got to give credit to the writers, the Star Wars Soap Opera cinematic universe is of to a wonderful start /s

[@ValyrianPrince]

Lol Witcher blood origin says hi

[@Tarimoth]

That was a proper "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve"

[@GerardMenvussa]

It's called Star Wars: the Alcoholic for a reason.

[@payton.a.elliott]

The shot of Plagueis reaching out of the cave like some kind of cryptid found footage is some top tier Star Wars comedy.

[@josephgibson5902]

The Patterson-Qimir film?? Second Surgeon's Holocron?? Myakka Sith Ape pictures??

[@AzayBae]

I have seen people refer to Plagueis in canon as a gooner in the goon cave 😂

[@herotyranus6540]

@@AzayBaelol Eckhards Ladder

[@LunarStateGovernment]

Darth Crackhead the Fent

[@mrreyes5004]

Which is even stupider when you realize that it doesn't even make sense for him to be doing that spooky crap. Like, yes, he's a menacing Sith Lord... but he's also a devoted scientist in biology and his civilian identity is a leading shareholder in a massive banking organization. Plus, he has PLENTY of reason to want Smylo dead ASAP... so why tf would he be chilling in some rank cave?

[@PineappleDealer37]

Sheev after the first two episodes: eh, its not so awful Sheev right after: I am no longer sober.

[@thejollychap]

Not this time. First two episodes in, Sheev and I were already horrified.

[@PineappleDealer37]

@@thejollychap lol

[@dr.bright6272]

Sheev after the first two episodes: I'm sobering up

[@ZayJayPlays]

Disney loves making Anakin less and less special. First, his sacrifice was rendered null and void after bringing back Palpatine, and now, we find he's not unique in being born by the force.

[@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS]

His sacrifice was about saving Luke. The Chosen One prophecy was a retcon George did

[@Mortimer_RS]

​@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMSis funny how all of Star Wars' story is constructed on retcons.

[@swissarmyknight4306]

@@Mortimer_RS THIS GUY GETS IT

[@haku8135]

@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS Do you not know what a retcon is? He killed Palpatine to save his son, the reason he did it doesn't matter to the prophecy that says he'll destroy the sith and bring balance. There's no retcon here. We just learn something additional to add extra context to the character and scene by finding out there was once a prophecy that Anakin would destroy the sith. Because regardless of his scuffed dialogue, George IS a creative storyteller that actually knows what the fuck he's doing.

[@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS]

@@haku8135 retcon means to recontextualize

[@danielcarithers3345]

The Acolyte jammed my glove compartment shut so that when a police officer pulls me over for speeding and asks for my registration, I’d be unable to open it and they would arrest me

[@butcherpete2286]

The acolyte snuck into my car and crammed it full of drugs and illegal weapons so when I get stopped I'm getting 25 to life.

[@dragonshiny7321]

The acolyte beat my dog and called Peta so that i could get sued for animal abuse

[@GabesEdtiz]

The Acolyte slipped a pill into my drink and had me wake up in an old, run down apartment with my shirt off and pants unbuckled.

[@ardentlyconfused3503]

The Acolyte stole my soul at a Quik Trip last Saturday and sold it on the dark web for $0.39

[@butcherpete2286]

@@ardentlyconfused3503 thats what you get for going to a quiktrip

[@MichaelB-jw5po]

To paraphrase Trey Parker and Matt Stone: "In a bad story, this happens and then that happens. In a good story, this happens *because* that happens."

[@MacBreezyy]

This is allll I was thinking of watching this show. Leslye is legit a talentless hack. How/Why she got this job I couldn’t tell you. If KK was an actual feminist you’d think she’d avoid associating with any aspect of the harm Weinstein wrought on god knows how many women. I just wanna be entertained bro. Idc about DEI characters, writers etc. I just want quality entertainment. If HotD can cost like $20mil more and have me enthralled start to finish and be TWICE the length of one acolyte episode… Ya fuckin blew It in so many ways. Insane shit.

[@jack-of-a-few-trades]

To elaborate a bit more on that same point (because I have seen the clip and it lives in my mind rent free), what Trey Parker said was: "We can take [story beats], which are basically the beats of your outline, and if the words 'and then' belong between those beats, you're f**cked." "What should happen [between every beat] is either the word 'therefore', or 'but'."

[@noahmaldonado5461]

How in God's name do the South park creators know how to write a better story than star wars executives

[@nmr7203]

​@noahmaldonado5461 Because South Park is widely regarded as one of the best written TV shows all of time, of course they know how to write amazing stories.

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

_Because_ rather than _and then_

[@LunarStateGovernment]

I am definitely going to get a bumper sticker saying Kathleen Kennedy Sold My Cat For Fentanyl. That’s a hilarious line

[@RC-qf3mp]

Unrealistic. Like Kenny, Kennedy would rather just get high off cat piss.

[@jasonnewbery]

@@RC-qf3mpthat’s feminists fentanyl

[@ashen-one--x]

😂😂😂

[@Shadow-In-The-East]

Average Star Wars fan.

[@rg3721]

After Acolyte my disabled neighbour finally got up and went out the window

[@RC-qf3mp]

At least some thing good came out of The Acolyte.

[@alexneff]

Always a blessing to watch someone tranformed into the force

[@StevenZissimos]

Wow 😂

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

now they're even more disabled

[@hispanicyoutubeperson6100]

Y’all are funny as fuck 😂

[@aitchisondaniel]

The writers are so dumb that they think a bartender can describe a human well enough to quickly identify her in a galaxy, but don't use 'genetic strands match hers perfectly', as identical twins.

[@mrreyes5004]

There's also the pre-established fact that _genetically-identical clones_ still have different signatures in The Force. We saw this all the way back in _the FIRST SEASON of The Clone Wars show,_ where Yoda made a point that the Clone Troopers (all identically created from Jango Fett except the Bad Batch) each have different Force presences that tell them apart. Obviously, this isn't a factor with the bartender thing, but it should still be pathetically easy for any Jedi *_(SOL)_* to tell the twins apart as adults with clearly-separate personalities.

[@Invidious-Gamer]

@@mrreyes5004 That also could have been the source of another conflict within the show if the jedi who did the initial investigation couldnt sense the difference and didnt believe sol when he told them Osha was innocent. It literally takes two seconds to come up with a more creative story

[@iivin4233]

Genetics and cameras do not exist in Star Wars. I have to keep telling people this. Clearly they teleport through space by magic, just as some individuals jump high and push good with magic. The sub-light aspect of their space travel is clearly powered by coal furnaces driving massive steam engines. You don't get it. This is the only way 90% of Star Wars makes sense technologically.

[@katyatiu908]

First they stole your kidneys, then your cat, now they are starving your children 😢 my condolences

[@Scagguy4014]

And returned for his pancreas !

[@bigdoubleu117]

It's crazy how powerful they made Smylo Ren. In Knights of The Old Republic, it took the ENTIRE Jedi Council to erase Revans memory... And yet, here's just Smylo doing the same with very low effort.

[@mrreyes5004]

I'd also like to point out that even then, Revan was SEVERELY wounded beforehand (barely kept alive by Bastila) and comatose to boot. So it's not like his body or mind were in any healthy state to resist the Council's erasure. And _even then,_ the erasure was far from perfect and Revan had vivid flashback visions in at least a year's time. While Smilo can just do it to anyone currently awake and well without serious consequence for years.

[@ForsakenKrios]

@@bigdoubleu117 Erased his memory is a bit of a stretch. He obviously still had his memories as later entries show/this fact is pivotal to their stories. They gave him a new identity. His mind was wounded so they couldn’t just wake him up and interrogate him. I don’t have a problem with memory wipes as part of the force (Kreia does this on the regular/or clouds peoples minds), it’s just a matter of like you said the circumstances and the amount of effort.

[@billjacobs521]

@@ForsakenKrios That is precisely why I hate Kreia--she can just do all sorts of random Force BS without an ounce of apparent effort.

[@InfernoCleric384]

@@billjacobs521 To be fair, didn't Kreia only partly erase the Disciple's memories? She just took a small memory on top of camouflaging herself from him, which doesn't even compare to completely erasing someone's memories.

[@wil1234111]

The titles of these breakdowns never get old

[@vaggos2003]

Quickly, let's all ask Sheev how he'd rank them. The outcome will be hilarious.

[@JumpierNewt8956]

"Wait for context" is the same shit as the orange alien saying "Good question, for another time" and then it never came.

[@SenhorKoringa]

They literally called the one Korean guy “Seoul” JK Rowling ass name

[@jackallaster7710]

I thought it was Saul

[@snortsalineoflavender]

I thought it was soul💀

[@Dullahan161]

Moshe Goldwicz, the first Jewish Jedi

[@roguexxrenegade]

bro his name is Sol. Cry about anything else pls.

[@SenhorKoringa]

@@roguexxrenegade Oh wow they changed the one letter damn you really got us man

[@viciousbagel]

i would make a joke about a cw live action version of this show but tbh i think that would be better than what we got

[@insensitive919]

That would be great! We could have Rachel Maddow play an alien

[@anyaabusable9888]

I'm not up voting this comment only because you're at 69 upvotes and I am a child.

[@fionarras4736]

Imagine a Farscape Type Version. Really scurrilous Aliens as Jedi doing Things. Might seem a bit low quality but it would still be better than what we got now. Hell even a CW type cop procedural in the high Republic would have been better.

[@blue-vr8dd]

at least CW shows tend to have some charm most the time. it dies out after a while but the Acolyte had the charm of a mole rat on the sex offenders list from the get-go.

[@Mccs-ei3in]

180M budget just evaporated into this piece of garbage

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

“Reduced to atoms…”

[@seeinred]

Bold of you to assume it's not just money-laundering scheme at this point.

[@Mccs-ei3in]

@@seeinred as much as it’s memed on it’s the most logical thing that’s happened to the money

[@seeinred]

@@Mccs-ei3in oh i'm not meme-ing here. Whatever is the reason these shows are continued to be made - and with these kinds of budgets - the reason can only be external.

[@someguy4405]

Just imagine how many goats 180M could have bought for poor families in Ethiopia. Imagine. Imagine all the goats.

[@commanderrico8892]

The Jedi after that episode: “We didn’t start the fire, it was already burning before we entered the building”

[@KingoftheBashful]

I really hate how complacent Disney SW fans have gotten over the quality of this show because I know for a fact that Disney/Lucasfilm could put out much better content. They showed that with Rogue One, the first season of Mando, and especially Andor. So it pisses me of that the Acolyte not only brings out the worst of the franchise, but you'll have tons of people defending it because "sW fAnS hAtE EverThINg."

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

2/3 of those were made by Tony Gilroy.

[@theimpersonator7086]

Yeah, while never perfect by any means, it feels like SW Video games in particular nailed a good balance for frequent, but good quality content like KOTOR Duo, OG Battlefront 1 and 2, etc

[@Сайтамен]

First season of Mando was bad. Especially the finale

[@pwh1981]

@@Lobsterwithinternet If there's any prescience left in Lucasfilm, they should keep Gilroy on as a retainer of sorts to train/assist/review other writers for other projects. I'm not sure if Gilroy wants to do any other Star Wars projects after Andor season two, but I know I'd be doing everything I could to keep a writer of his pedigree around to elevate everyone else. Gilroy clearly has a very solid grasp of writing as a craft; something that has been severely lacking from every other project coming out of Star Wars this past decade.

[@anyaabusable9888]

​@@pwh1981 at least use him as a bloody script doctor!

[@WarDog276]

Knowing the lore and respecting the lore is the difference people mean but can't articulate

[@himbobaggins9673]

This has been the only argument what the hell are you talking about

[@ZeSheepShippa]

32:06 The reason we never see Palpetine use the force neuralizer trick in the OT or prequels is because he actually uses it all the time and we just can't remember it

[@basileusbasil4041]

nice

[@ABenAbides]

😂😅

[@dahannes6739]

I mean he does it in Revenge of the Sith with Kenobi right?

[@BobofWOGGLE]

@@dahannes6739 thought the PT novels kinda implied he was doing it all the time to the whole jedi council

[@dahannes6739]

@@BobofWOGGLE honestly I don't know what I meant with that Commerzbank because I cant of the scene where he does it with Kenobi😪

[@GoniMineCraft]

After watching a lot of Acolyte critics, hearing them point out how the space witches stronghold being located at a mountain being "to obvious to be unnoticed" reminded me of Wizard City from Adventure Time. The difference is in the ladder, the city was buried inside a magical cliff, that will temporarily disappear if a local says "Wizards rules" in front of it, thus granting granting access to anyone before it reappears. A kids cartoon made a decade ago did a better job at establishing a secret society of magic users than a modern day 180M USD series for "mature audience". 😬

[@claireh4756]

I used to get nightmares as a kid. I'd wake up so scared, and the way I learned to cope was to revisit the event in my mind, and rewrite it so nothing scary happened. I feel like some Star Wars fans have been probably been doing something similar to cope with how much of a nightmare it's become

[@Stop_Gooning]

I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over and through me. When it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

[@simplegarak]

29:30 - Actually even before TPM, in episode 6, RotJ, Jabba replies that he's immune to Jedi mind tricks. It goes that far back.

[@ForsakenKrios]

You can always say someone is strong enough to resist it. The problem came with George making the Toydarians immune with Watto saying he’s Toydarian and that’s why mind tricks don’t work on him. He could’ve been boasting to my knowledge it was just treated as a racial trait - which is a bit of a problem for lots of reasons.

[@shrouded8797]

​@@ForsakenKrios How is it a problem?

[@billjacobs521]

@@ForsakenKrios It could just mean that his race are so focused and pig-headed that mind tricks don't work. Especially since Watto didn't actually know he was dealing with a Jedi, so I always took it to mean "You can't trick or bully a Toydarian, we're a stubborn lot. Like Scots."

[@BobofWOGGLE]

@@shrouded8797 Watto makes no mention of toydarians being especially clever or mentally sharp, which would be the "usual" way of attaining immunity to mind tricks. If toydarians are immune regardless of mental acuity there's an implication of deeper mind-trick mechanics than originally presented.

[@TecnoButter]

If Bazil doesn't turn out to be Darth Bazil then I will announce that Disney in fact, has no balls

[@cayenneta]

real

[@PineappleDealer37]

Darth brazil

[@NickLysander]

I liked your discussion of Sol's "failure" and I agree with it. I thought the show banked way too hard on the audience loving the witches and didn't do enough to earn that love. It's funny, because I remember feeling the almost same way about the Nightsisters when the CIS and Sith turned on them in TCW/Tales. Feels like Disney really really wants this "Force witch" thing to stick.

[@KingBuilder525]

I remember that episode of TCW. The writers probably expected us to side with the night sisters but I wanted the poor droids to finally get a win for once.

[@mrreyes5004]

Fr we saw the Nightsisters brainwash a decent man (Savage) into a hulking mindless monster and forced him to kill his own innocent brother, just for an unnecessary plot to kill Dooku. Literally, as in, Talzin already having Dooku's hair for the voodoo doll meant that training Savage to kill Dooku was entirely unneeded (the only reason Dooku survived the voodoo doll attack was because Grievous was conveniently in the right spot to stop it). Meaning that all the suffering and mind-rape that Savage endured was, in every way, for nothing. Besides Merrin and maybe Ventress, Star Wars just does NOT know how to make witches into sympathetic characters.

[@Dullahan161]

They were banking too much on the audience to be stupid enough to believe events that clearly do not happen to support the witches. Also I noticed in some scenes with asha and oso (whatever) that they don't act all too differently, as both are quiet. Makes me wonder how many reshoots were done and if they just used the same scenes but changed the character in them

[@yokesplooge2852]

Aniseya-"Someday, those noble intentions you all have will destroy every jedi in the galaxy” Also Aniseya-"By the way i'm letting you take my daughter so you can teach her to be a Jedi."

[@quantumvideoscz2052]

The thing with Ki Adi Mundi's retcon is not the age itself, that's just the hilarious part. The terrible part is that because of this, Mundi now has information that he was never meant to in any way know. So when he says in The Phantom Menace (which is very much canon under any official interpretation by Disney) that Sith haven't been seen for a thousand years, he's lying. But it doesn't make any sense for him to do so.

[@haku8135]

It's not that he CANNOT be older in Phantom Menace, it's that he's IN PHANTOM MENACE. They specifically chose THE character that said the sith haven't been seen for a THOUSAND YEARS, and less than ONE of his race's lifetimes ago, apparently, he was literally included in a massive incident regarding a SITH showing up and slaughtering FOUR jedi masters which he was involved in covering up by concealing it from the Jedi Council! Which he is now ON. There was NO reason to bring him into this show, AND TO ADD TO IT, he's not supposed to be BORN in the first place, so they had to make multiple ABSURD changes just to have a fucking cameo. It shows clearly how shit this show is, and how it has NOTHING of its own to offer. Then the last episode makes it SO MUCH WORSE because YODA is also involved in this situation. So they're just assassinating all the characters.

[@Animefanboy4life]

And him lying caused Qui Gons death because he shut that sith down and they didnt send more jedi to help fight maul. And yoda also having knowledge means they just hated qui gon and wanted him dead cause he was probably acting like Sol wanting to train this boy and they didnt want to deal with that again

[@sab3redg333]

​@@haku8135And to make it worse in the extended canon they themselves decanonized ki adi mundi's is specifically detailed to have a short lifespan plays into his character as his race's males were dying out faster than they were being replenish leading to him having multiple wives. Again they chose the one character with this detail that honestly pisses fans off in addition to everything else

[@dahannes6739]

Who cares about thst tho​@@sab3redg333

[@iivin4233]

It's true about this and about the space fire that Sheev seems to have just missed what the actual criticisms are. That is ironic coming from him, who constantly complains that people are just missing details in movies and misunderstanding his arguments. Have you ever seen space fire, by the way? It's amazing to look at. Making both the less visually interesting and less scientifically accurate choice to should not be our standard.

[@lacolem1]

Eh, the “Anakin blew up the Death Star” was about more than getting lore wrong. His whole point was that there was no right and wrong in Star Wars. Which is flat out ridiculous. Every supposedly flimsy nitpick has context to explain the visceral reaction to them. Star Wars fans are not idiots, despite the narrative. If the story were good, it would be easier to let stuff go.

[@wolfsruhm]

but alone that argument fall completly flat, considering the fact that the Death Star was a planet destroying moonsized mobile weapon platform, that at the moment of it's destruction threatend to erase another, let's emphasise this, ANOTHER planetoid fromt he universe, and also Luke had been drafted into a military group that was basically in war with the ppl that used said weapons platform to blow up plant(oid)s. You know there is a reason why soldiers are exempt from murder prosecution when they do the killing in their line of duty. Granted in the eyes of the empire the rebellion was not a legitemate organisation, and if they have gotten their hands on Luke (before he learned the ways of the force, and surrendered himself to Vader on Endor), would have tried found guilty and summerily executed them for the 'murders' of the personel on their deep space mining platform

[@Hank..]

"It's not the actors fault for not knowing the lore" then maybe he shouldn't be talking about the lore

[@haku8135]

@@Hank.. That's not even fucking lore. That's THE FIRST FUCKING MOVIE. There's LORE, and then there's, the basic plotline. The fact he knows the name Anakin, and he knows the Death Star, means he's trying to pretend he's a star wars fan in this interview and doesn't at all realize where he's wrong, but is being wrong with confidence. He says this SEVERAL TIMES as well, it wasn't just an oops where he said Anakin instead of Luke.

[@svenkampen1647]

I think that is fair criticism of the comment, to claim that star wars was ambivalent towards good and evil when it always made sure to make sure it was very clear that the murderous authoritarian faschists were the bad guys and then deliver some insane whataboutism is ridiculous, but fandom really did get hung up more on the fact he got the guy who blew it up wrong.

[@user-gm4kv2my4u]

Yup even without the flub In what world is blowing up the death star even remotely immoral? There is no shade of grey when it comes to the Death Star. That thing is a weapon of mass destruction beyond comprehension. But even that is not the reason it needed to be destroyed. The real reason it had to go - at all cost - was because the empire was so freaking evil that they would use the death star for what amounts to an *interrogation tactic.* The killed billions if not trillions of people. For what? For information? Just to test and flex their power? When you factor in Rogue One, you realize the Empire have been using the Death Star on a regular basis. The empire had made it clear. They would use this weapon at any time for the most petty of reasons. So it had to be destroyed. At all cost - including the cost of the lives of the people that were on that station.

[@darienwest4748]

I, too, wondered why Bazil sabotaged the ship for no fucking reason even though he's supposed to be helping Sol. So I looked up a Collider interview where Leslie Headland explains why: "I think he’s kind of like, “What is going on with this guy?” I love Bazil, I wanted to give him a hero moment. I wanted Sol to be completely on edge." What the fuck??? This doesn't explain anything! Actually, if there's one thing this explains, its that the showrunners actively don't care about cause and effect. They just want things to happen for the sake of it, to get their action figures into the right positions, and don't care about the setup required for this to actually happen.

[@dreux_]

wasn’t the whole Ki-Adi Mundi drama actually about his “Impossible. The Sith have been extinct for a millennium.” line in the phantom menace being contradicted?

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Part of it.

[@SheevTalks]

That was the actual valid argument being made. The other wasn’t 😂

[@Sines314]

​@@SheevTalks from what I understand, Mundis species having a shorter than human lifespan was actually important to his character, so that might actually bother some people who liked him as is. That's why it's different from Kenobi aging REALLY fast between RotS and ANH. Kenobi's age doesn't all effect his character. Mundis does. I don't care about Mundi, but I can definitely see the problem.

[@SheevTalks]

@@Sines314 Don’t remember anywhere in the movies where his age/lifespan had anything to do with his character/story. If you’re referring to the extended material from the entirely separate continuity, then fine. But then the point becomes moot.

[@Geekezf]

Other than that..how a guy that would sit on the council would hide an info that, 100 years ago sith did came back even as a solitary incident. That info would put them on alert and make the jedi careful of every suspicious move. Green bald lady might hide it but not Ki Adi mundi. The whole plans of Plagueis and Creamy Sheev would be busted at worst, even more difficult to apply than it already is at best.

[@Stop_Gooning]

*waves hand* "Vote yes on Proposition 2" ~Palpatine, mind controlling the entire Senate

[@electricbayonet2]

58:43 What happened to Torbin was horrific (very good summary, btw), but now I’m even more pissed at how everyone in the show (and no small number of its defenders) treat him like he has an equal share of the ‘’’blame’’’ for what happened on Brendock. In an even _slightly_ better written version of this show, the fact that Mae kills him (and in such a sadistic way) would have been a major turning point for most characters, especially if it took place later in the season than episode fecking _two._ Sol would see his guilt at what had happened and his resolve to bring Mae in alive harden. What Aniseya did to Torbin was evil. What Mae did was compounded evil. Whatever mistakes Sol made in the past, someone truly innocent and suffering has died for it. Before, the mission was to bring Mae in. Now it’s to put her down. For Mae, it would be when she sees herself as too invested in her mission to turn back. Her plan to seek clemency with the Jedi would be insane after what she did because there would be no reasonable way to overlook it. This could be further reinforced with a fight against Sol post-Torbin that sharply contrasts one pre-Torbin. Whatever openings and vulnerabilities Sol may have had before are gone along with his defensive style, and Mae realizes to her horror that their last fight (and implicitly her fight with Indara) only went even remotely in her favor because of Sol’s now-vanished compassion. The fight ends brutally with something like Sol taking off a hand or snapping an arm, and Mae’s newfound fear and barely-escape would drive her further to her Master as she realizes just how inadequate her power is and is terrified of being found wanting ever again. I could go on, but this has gone on for a while and is rapidly turning into thinly-veiled fan fiction.

[@ethanmoon3925]

The one benefit to this show is that it serves as a creative writing prompt for thousands of fans because it BEGS for rewrites.

[@ardentlyconfused3503]

I hate that this show praises a woman for mind graping a child and then puts all the blame on the victim. Portraying his eventual suicide as justice served. It’s disgusting and way too many people are okay with it

[@mrreyes5004]

Nah, please go on cooking by all means. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I have read _actual fanfiction_ of Star Wars with far higher quality than Headland's $180 million atrocity. Mae getting beat that bad by an enraged Sol would also perfectly fit a great part of the Jedi Code; they hold back in fights to spare their enemies _because_ Jedi know how dangerous their skills are when let off the chain. So Mae getting a serious wake-up call that she actually _can't_ 1-v-1 a Jedi Master going all-out would be a great demonstration of that point. I mean, hell, _I'm_ starting to think about doing my own rewrite of the show with actual characters and logical plot (try to make Jecki, Yord, Vernestra and others into actual people, sensible domino-effect story beats that cause and effect each other, etc). Not sure where I would post it if I ever do, but I might just borrow inspiration from this awesome brainstorm. Much thanks for taking the time to put out some great ideas for a much better story than what we got.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

There's kind of a funny subtext that the scene though. As long as a white man is content to float serenely in his bubble of privilege there's absolutely nothing the black woman can do to him. The only way she can make any progress is if the white man just gives up. What an empowering message.

[@jackjones2454]

Honestly I would love to hear more. Cause this actually sounds like interesting stuff for characters and conflict. Go on, do what a multi-million dollar company cannot.

[@Li_tells]

I hate it when I really want to laugh at a bad movie or series, but the reviews keep making stupid anti-woke jokes instead of reaping into the actual damn story flaws. And I love it when our boy Sheev Talks is here to be reasonable and save the day. Thank you for your work, sir.

[@Durgemann]

1:02:29 Want to CONSOLE? The only reason she needs consoling is _because_ of him. He killed all of her friends/colleagues then spent the entire next episode goading her into giving into the dark side. There's no "sorry I killed all your friends" conversation, nor any remorse for doing so. Any attempt to "console" would just be him exploiting Osha's vulnerabilities because he created them. I mean, a manipulative sith makes sense. It's a trait I'd expect from a sith lord. But it seems like everyone involved behind the scenes doesn't realize what's going on here and thinks he's just being kind and caring, and that makes it so infuriating.

[@wolfsruhm]

it's 50 shades of Grey all over again

[@hk1371]

See, that's the issue with this show. They have literally written it that if you just shift the theme to seeing the Sith as bad, then that scene would have made us go "oh no! He's manipulating her!" as a genuine way of fear. But the way the show ACTUALLY WANTS TO present it (as well as how it wants to portray the Jedi as the big bad) is that it's a new relationship and we should be happy.

[@nothingman7163]

I am very sick and tired of poor writing and misplaced superiority complex getting in the way of proper story telling & interesting concepts from playing out in a good manner. The idea of two sisters being essentially the Yin & Yang of one another with their life experiences eventually resulting in a direct flip could have been very interesting. Plagueis messing around with emaculate birth before perfecting his craft with Anakin could have been incredibly interesting. We live in a time of endlessly deep pockets and shallow efforts.

[@mrreyes5004]

Seriously, there was potential right there for a decent story. How about instead of Mae killing Jedi because of a tragedy that _was HER OWN fault,_ it could've been a Tai Lung-type story where the Jedi brought up Mae and Osha under the false belief that either of them could be the Chosen One. Mae would instead of taking revenge for the Jedi throwing her (and I guess Osha) out after they realize that she in fact ISN'T the Chosen One. Boom, a more compelling motive AND a proper exploration of the whole "um, maybe Jedi be flawed" concept. Hell, maybe even have Qimir's backstory be a sort of parallel to that. Perhaps he USED to be Plagueis' Sith apprentice, but eventually grew fed up with the Sith's attachment to their long-term plan and left to pursue his own freedom. With Plagueis then hunting Qimir down both to punish his rebellion and to stop him from accidentally letting the Jedi know about the Sith. There, we have at least some kind of commonality between the twins and Qimir, with one twin following his descent to the Dark Side and the other twin holding strong and remaining allied to the Light Side. Or something like that, I'm just spitballing ideas for a maybe-fanfic better than the "canon" garbage we got.

[@Brother_Piner]

Not to be pedantic, but immaculate birth refers to being born without original sin, or the stain of sin. Virgin birth, or miraculous birth in the case of non-virgins, refers to being born without a biological father via a supernatural force.

[@valx7586]

Plagius didn't create Anakin, Anakin was born the year Plagius and Sidious tipped the scales of the force toward the dark, when Plagius found out he was terrified that he had gone too far and that the force pushed back by giving the Jedi their chosen one Source: Darth Plagius by James Luceno

[@fenrirunshackled4319]

Adding onto the fact that Mundi would have suggested a rogue jedi during TPM, master Sifo-Dyas is missing so they even have a prime suspect.

[@JasonSlazak]

disagree with first point. The "anakin blowing up the deathstar" line is not the main issue. The main issue is he acts like he likes star wars when he obviously knows nothing about it and it's disingenuous. Harrison Ford regularly got things wrong about the movies he was in but he made it abundantly clear he didn't give as shit. Which is something I can respect as opposed to the former.

[@RoachChaddjr]

Harrison earned his right to say he doesn't care about Starwars anymore because he has been a part of Starwars for decades. I guarantee if an actor from Disney starwars said the same thing now they would be drawn and quarterd.

[@RoachChaddjr]

The only exception I can think of is Bill Burr from Mandalorian but his role was a side character.

[@thomasredmin3412]

Respect is a strong word for Ford, but the primary point is something I just forgot about; guys a hollywood actor is two faced and lied! I could never expect this from someone Leslie cast!

[@hellothere2464]

except the actor literally said he’s a newer fan and he clearly just mixed up luke and anakin’s names

[@thomasredmin3412]

@@hellothere2464 I understand your point but doing it twice in different interviews means that he firmly believed he was correct. Tell me how many franchises you are a fan of and don't know the main characters name and I'll repeat back to you the franchises you are not a fan of (this is meant in a joking way. if you name several ensemble cast movies with 10+ main characters i will simply cry alone and not respond)

[@PJ-Creativity]

So funny how when they try and portray the Jedi as good people they make them look like maniacs and war criminals, but when they attempt to show their corrupt side they make them seem good and reasonable. They really can’t be bothered to do anything right huh?

[@iDeathMaximuMII]

It shows you how they have a twisted sense of what's "correct" & "bad".

[@jamesmccarthy552]

When Anakin joined the dark side; he lost his wife, he got burned alive, and barely survived as a puppet to emperor. When Osha joined the dark side; she got a hunky new boyfriend, got her "revenge", and escaped the jedi with zero consequences

[@valx7586]

In all fairness there's a fair few Sith in legends like that, its just not very good for a fleshed out story

[@takumu781]

@@valx7586 bane killed a republic soldier and his father, then joined because well the republic didnt care and would have thrown him in jail, I dont see the need for someone to have to lose everything to fall or join the sith

[@valx7586]

@takumu781 agree, if it was always the case it takes away the emotional hit when it happens in the stories we like

[@varickgoss4322]

5:11 Jedi are trained to accept loss so mentioning his team dying before the Jedi's mortal rival returning is crazy

[@nihluxler1890]

The reason R5 blew it’s cap the instant he tried to take a step is because he, like pretty much everything in the Jawas cargo, is junk. Most droids they happen to stumble upon wouldn’t have the maintenance standard of droids assigned to a diplomatic vessel. If anything it’s more surprising Owen didn’t pick both R2 and 3PO from the get go, or that he specifically needed both an astromech and a protocol droid in the first place.

[@wolfsruhm]

he probably picked the R5 unit because it had a lower price then R2, which obviously was in a better shape. And only with the R5 blowing up he could have gotten the R2 for the same price (if not even with a ) due to being sold a broken product

[@HEHEHE_I_AM_A_SUPAHSTAR_WARRIA]

Making Qimir and Osha some sort of Reylo 2 sounds like a terrible idea because within the show's own logic Osha has no reason to like this guy considering Yord and Jecki should still be innocent in her mind and the only reason she even joins him is because he would've killed Mae otherwise. The dynamic should obviously be an uneasy one where Osha will inevitably try to betray Qimir whose fully aware of the risks of taking an unwilling apprentice. Plus Qimir being a Sith means that any romance that does occur should be taken with a grain of salt since he's obviously manipulating her to get what he wants, whatever that is. So if they tired to actually make it romantic and not "manipulator is taking advantage of an unstable Osha" would be awful

[@tziminadisnt]

The problem with Charlie Barnett is not that he got the lore wrong, but that he believes to have a bigger grasp on the themes and morals of Star Wars better than the other fans...whilst getting the fucking main characters wrong. That shows a level of ignorant arrogance that perfectly represents what's wrong with the industry. Harrison Ford not caring is one (sad) thing. But we don't have a interview where he says that Peter Parker is as bad as Thanos because he used to sell weapons. If you intend to disagree with a decade old theme, you better be able to fucking back it up.

[@wolfsruhm]

The thing is Ford nver claimed to care for Star Wars, actually in all interviews pertaining about Star Wars he always told: 'It was my job to do it, and so i did!' Does it matter he didn't like the character he was playing? No. Does it matter he was heavily in favor of Han dying in Empire? Also not. he still did a banger job during his performance. Also to those who claim that all he ever did was playing himself in hsi role.... You ppl never watched those movie clearly. While indy and Han had a view similar character traits, Dekkard is a completely different person, and So is Dr. Kimble in 'The Fugitive'... and i could go on and on. Granted i have not seen every movie Ford is in, buit from what i have seen, so far the only lackluster performance he gave was in Enders Game. Heck his performance in FA, for a role he hope to never had to play again, was still pretty good, despite the bockshit of a script he was given.

[@itzjetlife3639]

just went thru a rough break up i needed this vid thanks man

[@vaggos2003]

I'm sorry for what happened to you. I hope you're doing better now, my friend.

[@breakpoint1875]

I stopped watching star wars things a while ago, but your commentary in general is really good. As a side note, i fucking love these over the top titles lmao, i die laughing every single time

[@alexmaverick6647]

I can’t believe that they changed Glup Shitto’s birthday in this show 😡

[@PaiSAMSEN]

49:15 That kind of argument against the Jedi is the same as blaming neighbors for calling CPS on a family after hearing numerous adult shouting with children crying, then children leaving house with sign of physical injury. ...like, what the fight are you supposed to do? Sometimes the sign are so obvious it's become irresponsible to ignore.

[@yaboiportch]

The Acolyte stole every left shoe I own and took a dump in my spice cabinet

[@dzigayu4944]

I'm pretty sure at this point there's a competition amongst LucasFilm writers to see who can get away with doing the most damage to the lore and continuity.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

It's not just that and if that's just what they were doing it would be annoying but not insulting. Their worst sin is creating a bunch of absolutely awful TV.

[@Hepheat75]

I can't believe this show has a weirdly passionate fanbase. Not shaming anyone for liking the show, but I'm just confused as to how someone could like this disater of a story.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

I'd imagine more than a few people who "like" it actually don't and are just defending it for political reasons.

[@leetom5281]

Wait until they release the new Grandmaster "Rey" Movie. What an insult to Luke Skywalker

[@Stop_Gooning]

Who? You mean that grumpy old fraud?

[@mac1991seth]

Nonononono. No. Sheev. If an actor has got the gall to make the claim that Star Wars is about some moral relativism, there is no good or evil, everybody is doing some wrong, he better has the receipts to back it all up. Don't school me on a subject if your evidence is based on the most flimsy, incompetent way you remember the story. And that's it. If Charlie gets some basic facts about the Death Star, Luke and Anakin wrong, maybe he should shut the heck up and stick to acting. Otherwise it's hubris, incompetence and another instance of Hollywood bubble speaking out of the rear end. And the Ki-Adi Mundi debacle? It was never about the birthday "in a vacuum". It was that they pulled the man into the story that contradicts what Ki-Adi Mundi said in The Phantom Menace. It turned him into a liar or another incompetent, ignorant, oblivious Master.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Not to mention makes all the deaths on Geonosis on his (and the Jedi Counsel’s if Venestra told Yoda at the end of the series) head(s).

[@mac1991seth]

@@Lobsterwithinternet You're absolutely right, but the thing is, even if Ki-Adi didn't know about Quimir "the Sith", the Phantom Menace scene should be changed to: "It can't be Sith, maybe you fought another rogue Jedi. Master Sol went crazy about 80 years ago, killed a whole lot of Jedi, including his apprentice."

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@mac1991seth Along with changing how the prequels look as there should be Jedi Inquisitors all over the place monitoring all these ‘rogue orders’ and such along with the Jedi being locked up like the Mages are in Dragon Age.

[@donovan4222]

@@mac1991seth “maybe he should shut up and stick to acting” Lmao what do you want him to do then? Not answer interview questions? Also, Ki Adi Mundi was a terrible person and already incompetent…and he didn’t know about any Sith…

[@mac1991seth]

@@donovan4222 Lmao, what do you want Harrison "I don't care" Ford to do then? Not answer interview questions? I don't know, maybe he should've prepared to not make himself look like a donkey. There are options on the table other than "Anakin blew up the Death Star". If you really, really, REALLY need some Z lister to take part in an interview on Star Wars Celebration, that should've been a lay up, maybe don't feed him moral relativism and dubious talking points.

[@AimlessSavant]

A fire that looks to be in an atmosphere when it clearly isn't has more to do with the quality of the production than the plot. Its a quick easy way to put fire on the ship instead of actually considering what a flame looks like bursting from the hull into a vaccum. It doesn't destroy the world by itself, but in tandem with other descisions it is noticable enough to weaken the investment because of it being a cheap solution to a problem.

[@donovan4222]

@@AimlessSavant Every Star Wars since a new hope has had fires in space…

[@anyaabusable9888]

​@@donovan4222 but you only need fire extinguishers in an atmosphere. Otherwise, you just, you know, turn a valve.

[@AimlessSavant]

​​​@@donovan4222explosions in space are not the same as a literal open flame in space. Fire can exist in space, but it doesn't look like a campfire with a slight breeze.

[@donovan4222]

@@AimlessSavant They literally are. Balls of fire shoot out of every ship that gets shot in Star Wars, a giant fireball swallowed the millennium falcon in the Death Star, ships catch on fire and go down all the time. The Malevolence was ON FIRE for like 2 whole episodes of TCW show flying through space, like active burning fires, with droid fire crews putting them out both inside and out. In those same episode, Anakin lost 2 clones when a Y-Wing blew up after smoking, then catching fire and exploding.

[@billjacobs521]

@@donovan4222 They are literally not; if you blow apart a container full of oxygen and fuel, you will absolutely get a fireball, yes, until the fuel and/or the O2 runs out. But this is different from a "literal open flame in space."

[@DagothLeb]

I'm more excited to watch your videos than actual Star Wars media nowadays

[@Darkstar-qb3dh]

Ki-adi Mundi being alive in this show is an issue because the sith have been extinct for a millennia, but now he is part of the group that knows, SO IT IS DUMB!!!!!

[@SouthpawLP]

Him being a part of the group that knows is the issue, not him merely being alive. If he were, say, in the background, or in a scene where he's clearly NOT part of the group that knows, his species' life expectancy being different from Legends isn't itself an issue. Hence what Sheev said about people getting lost in the weeds about a detail that ultimately isn't material to the real issue.

[@hoos3014]

Not only does Ki-Adi-Mundi NOT know about Qimir, the Sith have obviously not been extinct. Being wrong is the only thing Ki-Adi-Mundi has ever been good at.

[@donovan4222]

He doesn’t know anything that the rest of the order doesn’t know…did people even watch the show?

[@billjacobs521]

@@donovan4222 Uh, he knows that an evil Force-user has been going around killing master Jedi--while this doesn't AUTOMATICALLY mean Sith, it should certainly set off alarm bells, as not too many other Force users are other thees, and especially not ones able to 1v1 a Jedi Master. Did YOU watch the show?

[@donovan4222]

@@billjacobs521 Did you not watch? They pinned it all on Sol…so why would they assume it’s a sith who hasn’t been seen in hundreds of years?

[@Nacho2003YT]

Yeah, the memory wipe thing pissed me off as well. Literally the only other character we had ever seen do that was a fucking Mortis God

[@advancedstupidity5459]

Pausing for a minute to address your point about R4 breaking down being a contrivance and therefore a writing flaw. I actually totally disagree, and I'm not just trying to blindly defend my beloved OT. The moment with R4 doesn't exist to create drama and tension, but to build on the lore of Star Wars and develop its characters. 1. It establishes that Jaws are like the Temu of Tatooine. They're scavengers that choose expediency over quality or integrity, and it shows in their product. It's more than reasonable to assume that they sell door to door because if they didn't, moisture farmers would just go into town and buy from a trusted vendor. The Jawas are a cheap and convenient option if you need serviceable droids and you're not too concerned with how ethically they were obtained. We see the interior of the sandcrawler as well and it's just a big pile of junk. Hell, look at the method by which they captured R2. Blasting a droid with a weaker constitution with one of those stun guns could easily cause a droid to malfunction. R4's bad motivator only further enforces the already established concept that Jawas are shady. 2. This scene further develops R2 and Threepio's relationship. After having an argument and splitting up, they are joyful to be reunited when they're captured by the Jawas, only for Threepio to say NOTHING when Owen chooses R4 instead of R2. If R4 hadn't broken down, Threepio would've abandoned R2 with the Jawas. Then when he gets Luke to have Owen buy R2 instead, he immediately holds out over his head. This is because Threepio is a bitch. The film goes to great lengths to show this character trait time and time again. It's a great little scene that does so much more than you implied. The real contrivance is that both R2 and Threepio ended up on the same sandcrawler when they went opposite directions.

[@ApophisTw0Thousand6309]

"The real contrivance is that both R2 and Threepio ended up on the same sandcrawler when they went opposite directions." And really how much of a contrivance is that? How many sandcrawlers are out there combing the same area of desert? And R2 and Threepio were going in exactly opposite directions. If they caught him first, they'd just followed his tracks in a mostly straight line right to R2.

[@Bladsmith]

@@ApophisTw0Thousand6309 That and they both move at like 1-2mph lol

[@billjacobs521]

Also, it's not really a contrivance since R4 being chosen first IN THE FIRST PLACE was arbitrary. Uncle Owen could have just bought him initially and then the story would have continued just the same; him choosing R4 was just as much a contrivance as R4 breaking, really--it was something that happened to create an interesting interaction.

[@haku8135]

@@billjacobs521 I'm pretty sure Sheev just doesn't know what a contrivance is. There's a difference between a contrivance and a coincidence. Like by his definition, literally anything happening in a movie is a contrivance because someone wrote that it happened when it could have happened any other way. A contrivance is when the universe BENDS to force the plot into an unnatural direction. A plot HOLE is when something IMPOSSIBLE happens in order to serve the plot. Examples. A contrivance is OSHA being arrested and then put conveniently on a ship manned by droids where one of the prisoners has the ability to hack droids with his brain. Basically that whole scene is a contrivance actually, her surviving the crash ONTO A PLANET out of hyperspace is probably a plot hole, but I'll be generous and say it's peak contrivance. A plot hole is Rose teleporting next to Finn's ship and crashing into him to stop him from suiciding in the laser then Finn impossibly carrying Rose all the way to the base in an open, white field that kicks up red dust with every step, with dozens of walkers armed with turrets looking RIGHT at them and they get back in without so much as a scratch. Totally impossible, plot hole. A scavenged droid breaking less than 3 minutes after it's turned on and moves around, is certainly not a contrivance.

[@JoeyP7998]

100% chance this gets posted to Star Wars subreddits, no one watches it, and everyone dismisses your whole video/argument because you’re supposedly “alt-right”. Even though you are criticizing in good faith. Been seeing that happen a lot the last couple months.

[@Stop_Gooning]

Yeah man, crazy times we live in...

[@silverprimus321boi9]

Welcome to the longman club folks, have a seat and enjoy the drinks

[@herotyranus6540]

@@silverprimus321boi9tbf many long man reviewers are nutjob alt right anti-woke losers.

[@user-gm4kv2my4u]

Of course. We live in the era of tic tok where anything that goes longer than a minute is TL:DW. I've made comments that would of fit in KZbin's old 500 character limit back in 2007 and had people accuse me of writing a "wall of text."

[@mikester8171]

Last thing anyone needs in a video essay is a southpaw segment

[@SouthpawLP]

Cry about it.

[@Fatsaver]

Your smiley thumbnails are everything lmfao

[@chronixcz4680]

disney is making it hard for me to want to be a jedi when cooler powers like this exist

[@garuga1512]

It's so sad that the acolyte punished Sheev for trying to provide for his starving family of 10, justice for the grifters

[@robertb7293]

Aside from more people knowing Luke blew up the Death Star than can speak English, I see absolutely no problem with the internets full spectrum nit pick of this series. From It's smallest problems, to It's overarching themes. Acolyte deserves every roast. Secondly. I too am tired of being told that the game gets fun 100 hours in. It's like, if they've been busted putting ibis in the chicken, and the beef tastes like kangaroo, but I bet the mystery pork will be to die for.

[@YurrickLamhfhada]

You know, I always thought of Torbin as just feeling extra guilty about what happened on Brendok somewhat unnecessarily, but when someone else calls what Aniseya did to him "rape," it opened a whole new perspective. And now I can only see Torbin as a victim, a victim that no one offered to help and his suicide is now a way to rid himself of the pain of his burdened past. :(

[@stonerbland256]

Solely referring to Qimir as "Jason" is my favorite bit of the year

[@BrainSlime38]

Thank you Sheev Talks for reminding me that I shouldn't get Disney+

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

You should still sail the high seas to watch it though. If you don't you're missing out on a great comedy.

[@hatuletoh]

Yord VPN repeatedly saying Anakin blew up the Death Star is akin to saying "in the words of Don Corleone: 'go ahead, make my day.'" It just means that person is functionally illiterate about pop culture, which is fine, but such people should avoid talking about the subject they know nothing about, especially to express opinions that contradict the established lore they know nothing about.

[@wisdommanari6701]

That doesn't fucking matter because as an actor he did a phenomenal job. He does not have to know the Lore as long as he knows his lines and can' convey the character well what he did that's all that matters.

[@ApophisTw0Thousand6309]

@@wisdommanari6701 When you do the press circuit and get basic facts about the universe you acting as a part of wrong while attempting to speak as some kind of authority on the themes of that universe, you are going to get made fun of. That's how it do.

[@hubertwaliszewski5740]

It's funny how Plageuis is the second character to be made older in the disney canon, given that he would be a kid, if this show stuck to the original thing. Also, why Plageuis. Why not Tenebrous. I think that cameo would've been much cooler and when I heard 100 years before Phantom Menace I thought about him.

[@tehy123]

Bruh, "who blew up the death star" is not some obscure SW lore, it's something anyone could tell you. Plus it's a follow up on the last dumb thing he said, meaning he (or his PR guy) definitely should've been prepared. And it's a stupid statement even if he got it right! This is definitely proof that something ain't right.

[@jordan1savage]

keep up the good work sheev, always a solid deep dive, hopefully helps more people unpack how bad this show was

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

The acolyte broke my legs and trapped me in their basement.

[@NahodnáHruška]

Sheev's video titles are for some reason more interesting than the shows he makes the videos about.

[@gimzod76]

I know it's a very minor thing but anyone else find it rather hilarious that the witches are using bows and arrows in universe where blasters are commonly available. I mean English longbowmen had warped arms for a reason.

[@donovan4222]

@@gimzod76 plasma bows are a pretty common weapon for the night sisters and zygerrians in Star Wars

[@Bannschwert]

I mean... I can accept it. They don't live on a high tech planet, they can probably just build bows themselves, etc. Maybe there is also a meditation aspect to it, as there is e.g. in Japan, where Kyudo is part sport, part meditation. That would fit with Force witches.

[@mrrdirty6198]

​@@donovan4222 I could accept it, if it was a sci Fi bow. It's just a regular bow, with a red tipped arrow. Which makes it hilarious.

[@donovan4222]

@@mrrdirty6198 Lol I guess energy for the bows wasn’t in the budget

[@madvulcan8964]

The acolyte is a hollowed out Ferrari, tires replaced with balloons, inside is gutted, paint is there but it’s the cheap stuff. The only thing that is authentic is the chassis, but even that is made of the poor metal. Despite all those flaws, people still cling to the believe that that piece of junk is somehow still a Ferrari.

[@victorc8855]

at this point i'm half cheering for star wars shows to continue sucking just so we can continue getting these incredibly entertaining videos thrashing the show

[@kingDowahs]

These titles are getting better and better, and more accurate

[@betrayfate9772]

Out of everything in this show the thing that bothers me most how how quickly they seem to fly around the galaxy as if you can go from one end to the other in like five minutes

[@citizenvulpes4562]

I mean....They sorta kind of can because of slip space travel

[@tangroro]

I'm not a big fan of the "if it's good, I don't care if it's faithful to the source material", because when you're using other people's work, basically getting free publicity and exposure which you didn't help create, there's integrity you must uphold For example, Dune is one of the greatest Sci-Fi novel ever, it's thought provoking and deep, but if someone made a movie adaptation, and changed it completely, made it a Marvel-esque popcorn flick, but it's super great and considered action classic for years to come, will it be ok? I think it'll be unfair to the author and the fans, since Dune will now be forever tarnished with a different image, and it's not what the fans want to see, yet from now on whenever they bring up their favorite fiction Dune, people will only associate it with spectacle and CGI etc.

[@storymaster21]

The memory wipe ability really breaks everything. Instead of Obi Wan being like "If you strike me down now I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine..." Vader could just be like: *gestures with hand* you will forget everything, your name is Tim, you live in North Dkota andd you cannot control your bowels." Tim: Poop m pants!

[@fauzanabdulkahfi957]

There is a thing called force barrier buddy

[@wisdommanari6701]

​@@fauzanabdulkahfi957not in the movies. It doesn't matter if it exists in books and video games

[@fauzanabdulkahfi957]

@@wisdommanari6701 it exist lmao there is a reason obi wan got ragdolled in force contest while Anakin was rarely got force pushed

[@citizenvulpes4562]

​@@fauzanabdulkahfi957 Nope

[@Spectre558]

I just think stuff like the 'fire burning in space' tends to be an indicator that the writers/directors don't care about the details of what they're making. Yeah, there's plenty of minor errors even in great pieces of media, but when the people making a show set in space don't understand that fire can't burn in a vacuum (at least not in the way it's depicted in the Acolyte), it's a very bad sign for the rest of the show to come.

[@amusingmoose9924]

I wish I could get the quote right, but it was something like “passion for a project shines through the most in small details” and having worked on a huge spriting mod for Binding of Isaac, I can attest to that being true.

[@Fujisaur]

The acolyte burned our women and rizzed our crops.

[@ChoseeComprende]

There is third option about Plagueis you didnt mention ... That he is just there, for the sake of cameo. He had no purpose, and Leslye had no plan with him ... she just could put him there, so she did ... end of the story.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

She's all but confirmed that Smylo Ren is Plagueis apprentice.

[@MrNoscopeJones]

My problem with the interview was not that Charlie said that Anakin blew up the death star. My problem with the interview was that he thinks that Luke blowing up the death Star somehow is a morally ambiguous thing to do. I'm 90% sure that he's just making a reference to Clerks when he says that and that it wasn't a thought original to him anyway. And frankly, i think the idea that blowing up a planet gun thats about to kill everyone you care about is somehow "morally gray" is ridiculous

[@wolfsruhm]

Exactly just the idea that blowing up a heavily armed, planetoid destroying mobile weapons platform as akin to plunging a a whole (known) galaxy in to turmoil that costs trillions of trillions of lifes, and also result int he construction of said mobile weapons platform that just a few days to a weeks prior to its destruction destroyed a planet jsut for the laugh of it, can only be considered absolutely tonedeaf and ignorant.

[@NiohArcadia]

I'm loving the length of these titles 😂

[@vaggos2003]

We need to rank them based on how much Sheev hates each thing he reviewed.

[@xXMisery7531Xx]

Okay, stop using that emoji

[@wafflingmean4477]

18:38 Thank you so much for playing this clip for this critique lol. It's literally what I think of every time sci fi has a contrivance where literal SPACE seems to be the size of a city block.

[@charlesman8722]

You do know that Luke blowing up the death star is casual knowledge right?

[@donovan4222]

@@charlesman8722 The actor doesn’t need common knowledge, they just need to act well. They don’t control what the character says or does or the plot.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

Well he's technically getting the event right, just the name wrong

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

It was the whole rebellion that did that Luke is just the guy that manage get the job done. It is weird that people think he single handlely destroy the death star

[@billjacobs521]

@@SWANSWAN-nc7ds He did--he single-handedly fired the torpedos in that destroyed the Death Star, a very difficult shot in the best circumstances. @donovan4222 The actor also didn't need to start making arguments to defend the show, that's not his job either, yet he did, and he was stupid, so we mock him for not knowing something everyone and their mother is aware of.

[@WillFredward7167]

Thank you for calling out how messed up the two instances of mind violation were. And based on how the show presents the aftermath, it seems the writers genuinely didn’t think it was that bad

[@LyricalXilence]

So let me get this straight. The show wants to paint the Jedi as bad....for defending children?

[@Thulzor]

03:20 It was not what everybody was talking about. It was the only thing the defenders of the show latched onto because they couldn't defend anything else.

[@ValyrianPrince]

Exactly it’s irritating

[@donovan4222]

@@Thulzor Star Wars theory made a whole video freaking out that wookiepedia changed ki Adi Mundi’s birthday to the point where his fans were harassing wookiepedia creators

[@thesixth2330]

@@donovan4222 Theory expressly told his fans NOT to harass anyone EVER. If you think its okay to change the lore of the show while its going on because writers are too stupid to write anything better...

[@donovan4222]

@@thesixth2330 I’m just debunking the claim that “no one was upset about the birth date” theory clearly was and so were many of his fans. Also they didn’t change any lore because Mundi didn’t have any canon birthdate

[@thesixth2330]

@@donovan4222 thanks for the clarification. Although I disagree that Mundi had no DOB. HE appeared in Episode 1, he definitely exist in canon and as such has a DOB. Also they gave it in a book I believe. I realize that Disney made all old canon irrelevant as 'Legends' but they don't even follow the lore that they are trying to create. Its garbage writing by people who don't know or don't care about what the IP was. The issue is what it was, is what the established fans liked about it. The reason I thought Disney purchased Star Wars to begin with. To have access to the largest fan base in sci-fi cinema. And Theory was not really upset about the DOB, it was more about making the Jedi Counsel a bunch of idiots as now there is a self-declared SITH before the Phantom Menace, something Mundi said was impossible. So are he and Yoda re grossly incompetent, stupid, or complicit. Where do I even Start? Its pure Garbage bud. thanks for the convo :)

[@Garek_George]

Kickass! Been SO waiting for this 👊🏽👍🏽❤️

[@OveranalyzingStarWars]

I agree with basically everything, but I gotta "overanalyze" and say the Pinocchio footage matched so well with your dialog that I had to stop and acknowledge how top tier this editing is. Idk how you do it with such a long video, my hats off to you sir

[@Adog00]

I have been waiting, your majesty.

[@lukepauls8847]

the pre hate these shows are getting is just our response to noticing the patterns in the marketing for the poorer quality shows

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

We can't help but be suspicious when the hype for a show is about something other than the show itself.

[@lukepauls8847]

@@BiggieTrismegistus indeed

[@lukew6725]

When the director says that it's going to be "the gayest Star Wars show ever" I think I already have a pretty good idea of what the quality level is gonna be. 😂

[@josecarlosmoreno9731]

@@lukew6725 It's annoying when people in charge openly say they're pushing woke shit and then some segment of the public actively lies about how the shows/movies aren't woke and the criticisms are just -ism and -phobia, etc.

[@counterhitasmr9196]

I forgot that Abigail Thorn was in this show. It's a shame that her star wars gig had to be The Acolyte lmao

[@johnsementa9844]

The acolyte took me wide of 24 years and took everything in the divorce settlement

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

The whole thing with Torbin is just disgusting he's got mind graped and the whole thing driven him to the point of suicide and we suppose to side with the witch cult. The people writing this doesn't understand how moral work

[@danielallen4450]

The acolyte turned my rivers to blood, infested my home with frogs, lice and locusts, killed my livestock, rained hail over my country for three days, gave all the livestock boils, turned the land dark for three days, and killed every one of our firstborn children.

[@Crim-kun]

if you cant get the small stuff right the low effort very easy ro fix to borders on laziness to not get it right how do you expect them to fix bigger mistakes beause they will not get it right the first time enough thats its rare. while it take alot of sand to make a beach its still sand small mistakes pile up and when you have a budget with 9 digits in you are expected to do work worth those 9 digits