The Acolyte is a failure, sadly.

[@DB6195]

It’s time to accept Andor not as the ray of hope but as a project Disney expected to fail and therefore managed to escape meddling

[@Starwolves57]

sad, but probably true.

[@Dani-kq6qq]

There is no meddling, the showrunners, writers and directors are just bad at their jobs.

[@TearDownGenesis]

@@Dani-kq6qq facts. Acolyte is an example of something that needed studio meddling. someone to realize early on it was way off the mark and correct or replace the show runner. Honestly i see Lucasfilm's problem not as too much meddling and instead too relaxed. Insufficient vetting and not enough checking on things.

[@merikano2985]

Make a good point about Star Wars going back to animation... When it comes to stuff like this you either know what your audience wants or you don't. Joss Whedon is a horrible person (and I am happy he is blacklisted) but did he bring comics to the big screen successfully? Bryan Singer (also blacklisted and belongs there) gave us Wolverine and the X-Men. Two giant franchises that successfully went from comics to the big screen. Going back to Star Wars, Jon Favereau (sorry for butchering the name) has a solid idea for the space western Mandalorian and the first two seasons are considered the best along with Andor and Clone Wars. But I don't recall him planning a third season or a movie. And there's a video that details George Lucas' sequel trilogy plan and it couldn't have been more different than what we got. He heavily criticizes Force Awakens because it's a clear ripoff of A New Hope. "Why would I want to recreate A New Hope? I made that movie, it did well, here are my new ideas for the future..." But JJ Abrams did do that, and when Ryan Johnson did his take with The Last Jedi - some things were cool others weren't but they were fresh. Then Abrams comes in for Rise of Skywalker and (with no other ideas) brings back Palpatine and making the bad guy a good guy and a big space battle with Death Star lasers and just - Oi. Hacks, complete and utter hacks. I'm sure Kathleen Kennedy isn't a fan of Deadpool and Wolverine but guess what, the number one Rated R box office hit of all time now. It's not rocket science, individuals either know what you're doing or you don't.

[@Ahsoka-Tano]

I don’t agree. Disney invested far more in Andor than most of the shows, it’s the most expensive Star Wars show so far. I think it’s a misconception that corporate suits like KK are dictating the minutiae of plot points and character work. The people most responsible for the success or failure of these shows are the showrunners, writers, and directors and it’s time we start recognising their hard work or lack thereof.

[@Capt_CrimsoN]

Why can't Disney just maintain the quality of stuff like Andor? What is the issue? It's like they've got all this talent sitting there and they continue to waste it.

[@sluggerbutter]

bc talented writers and show runners aren’t behind these things it’s ppl in suits that went to law school their parents paid for

[@tjmcfadden5137]

@@Capt_CrimsoN I wouldn’t say Disney has talent as it seems the main directors and producers they hire to helm these shows aren’t fans of standing Star Wars and want to change it to what they want. Essentially piggybacking off of George Lucas and many authors and video game developers of the past.

[@astrotheultimate]

Because not every show is or should be andor. Not every show is the sopranos or breaking bad.

[@steel749]

Andor & Rogue one are the best star wars media since the Disney acquisition, not counting video games. In my opinion

[@Capt_CrimsoN]

@@astrotheultimate It's not about the content. It's about the quality. I never said every piece of Star Wars media has to be like Andor, but that the quality should be.

[@tbphillips9649]

Not surprised and not sad at all, just disappointed

[@Chilling_Chilling]

Insert *TWERKING Nepo Baby* pretending she's being "held back by the system" 😂😂

[@MatthewMKF]

The failure of one, the failure of two...

[@warwolf88]

the failure of many😊

[@tbphillips9649]

@@warwolf88noooo I wanted to say that

[@nathanial8587]

the failure of manyyyyyyy (I actually don't want the next shows after that to be failures, PLEASE let Skeleton Crew be good) edit: oh wow I actually wasn't the first one to use it, darn it!

[@warwolf88]

@@tbphillips9649 my bad brother lol

[@tjmcfadden5137]

@@warwolf88 come on man “the failure of Disney” was just waiting to be used

[@rockystudiogaming]

Disney not flopping the entire star wars franchise speedrun: *IMPOSSIBLE*

[@Whatsausername44]

Andor is right there jackass

[@Chilling_Chilling]

Maybe their next series can be about a *coven of TWERKING witches* whose rich European daddies buy them their way into stardom, but they still have the audacity to pretend they're being held back by "the system" because I'm sure that would be a very successful show in this timeline 😬😅

[@Hongobogologomo]

I don't know why they won't just quit and sell it to a more faithful holder. Just greed and ego

[@classicforreal]

Not hiring an editor with a fursona: IMPOSSIBLE

[@erinfincher7676]

I don’t think the show was a failure. I’ve heard a lot of negative things about the show. But I think people are being way too critical, what people should remember is that the Star Wars franchise wants to sale toys to kids.

[@Beaker709]

Just about every movie or TV series has "hiccups," plot holes, continuity errors, etc. Most viewers don't care about or don't notice them IF the plot grabs and keeps their attention. Related to this, fans will lose interest if it feels like the people behind the media view it as just making content - like The Acolyte felt. For example, I will admit that a lot of the Extended Universe is bad but still go back to read/watch it again because you can tell they cared about the universe they were contributing to.

[@MajorReynolds92]

exactly this, there was plenty of bad stuff in the EU (now Legends), and when they de-canonized it, it was their opportunity for a clean slate, to pick out and re-introduce all of the good things while pruning away or fixing/improving all the bad things, instead they went in the precise opposite direction, canning every single thing that made Legends content good and enjoyable and bringing forth every aspect that could be considered bad and cranking it all the way up to 11, all the while pretending that what they've presented is good simply because it's "new and different" and has the Star Wars label slapped on the side like a piece of flex tape

[@Beaker709]

@@MajorReynolds92 And when they did steal from the Extended Universe, they picked the bad ideas. For example, cloning Palpatine in TROS is straight from the Dark Empire comics.

[@DarthPrime52]

@@Beaker709 Somehow… Dark Empire did it better.

[@Beaker709]

@@DarthPrime52 Great reply... you know your lore...

[@victorcates9330]

Hiring Headland was questionable. But it seems like she was able to hire writers who were also inexperienced or didn't know star wars. If you had an experienced show runner, then maybe they know what works in terms of slicing up a narrative into chunks. Maybe an experienced show runner would know how to get the best value out of the budget. If Disney is handing her CRAZY money, they should probably have seen a script or have someone on set to make sure Headland wasn't going in a weird direction. I think she claimed that she increased the role of the stranger. For that to be the case requires that she had freedom to improvise. Making changes on the fly seems like a good way to get your script to contradict itself. When Disney fended off investors trying to get a say in decisions, they had Lucas say something like "Making magic isn't for amateurs". It apparently isn't for Disney either. At a basic level, the accolyte has mysteries that don't quite work. It's not Memento. But it's missing too much narrative for people to care. Audiences can only operate on the information presented to them. It's a more straightforward way to generate tension. Qimir killing the wookie after Mae betrays him? Why? As presented, Qimir doesn't have a specific grievance against these specific Jedi. THe murders of Andara and Torbin maintained distance and were things he had an indirect stake in. He wanted investment from Mae. If Mae has betrayed him, then he could kill her with relative ease compared to overtaking her and overpowering the experienced wookie. The most charitable explanation is that intended to fill in plot holes in season 2 or by releasing additional content. Then you could have Qimir having some indirect connection to Brendok via a comic book. You could fill in Mae's threat of telling the Jedi what she knows with a Star Wars adult film. But that requires that they don't understand how an audience relates to a work. If the audience regards something as a plot hole, it's a plot hole. Lucas said "making magic isn't for amateurs". Implicitly, it's a craft. So omitting key information or characterisation needed to make the audience care is something you can catch. You can submit a TV show to mechanical testing by asking "What is this about? Does it work?". That way you don't accidentally come up with an 180 million dollar ode to evil.

[@GravityFalloutPines]

Why is this some revelation? Everyone has known this for months

[@Meme_Lord]

Exactly, and also people saw it coming months before it even came out

[@simonlawrenson6972]

We didn't know this, we suspected it. Now we know.

[@MWBalls]

If you see a dog squatting in the grass, do you suspect that a turd is coming, or do you know?

[@RetroCube]

@@MWBalls If you're familiar with the dog and that it has a pattern of taking a dump every time it sits out there, then you know it's going to do it again. Everytime Disney hypes up something to do with Star Wars nowadays, it ends up being trash. They hyped up Acolyte and we saw from the trailers concerning things, so we knew it'd flop. Andor was only amazing because Disney thought it wouldn't perform well and basically ignored it.

[@DylanSmith-kc2gc]

Because it’s a nightmare balancing act to not be labeled as either a shill or a toxic fan, and I think eck is pretty measured, but perhaps a bit cautious to not come off as toxic. The editor’s note and his disclaimer at the top is a good example of their trepidation in the matter. Being said I support eck.

[@XieRH1988]

Acolyte is the first star wars disney+ show I completely skipped. I was at least going to wait till reviews were positive before jumping on board and those positive reviews never came

[@ComCommie]

It's actually fun, people are just hating on it because of imaginary culture war reason while it's actually just a mid series

[@CullenRick]

@@ComCommie Sorry, but it just isn't. I was watching it - but it had no impact, the lead really struggled to act (perhaps if she put the same amount of effort into acting as she did attacking fans, she's have done better - but that "rap" suggests that even then she is wanting) and I gave up mid-season. A shame as there were ELEMENTS in there that I liked, and some of the supporting cast really were doing a great job with what they were given.

[@skydragongaming7840]

I skipped it as well , i only saw the "the power of many" clip on twitter. Thats where i cringed so hard i laughed but also cried because i was wondering who even approved that show. I dont regret not watching it.

[@CyberMonkey03]

@@ComCommieeven my dad and I didn’t like it, and we like the prequels

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@ComCommieIt isn’t fun. There is no “fun” element about it. It has one redeeming quality in the fights and they take up only 10% of the screen time at best.

[@SignoftheMagi]

One of the key problems with the Acolyte is that Disney, and especially Kennedy and Iger, want their own "Disney"-owned identity on the franchise. Thus, The High Republic. They are pushing SO hard on this, but instead of coming up with a detailed and well-written plan, they are using a checklist on what they thinks works instead. This is why the writing is SO bad, Disney only wants to use the formula to produce media quickly. The problem is, The High Republic just isn't doing all that well. In fact, its books are still being outsold by reprints of old EU books to this day. But that doesn't matter to Kennedy and Iger. They pumped all the money and resources they could into The Acolyte, hoping it would be enough to be the fundation of their version of the franchise...and it fail miserably. Most of the fandom see the show as a joke at best, and 40 million per episode is just an insult. The High Republic simply doesn't have enough people wanting it to justify viewership alone, and DW is no longer a franchise that fans feel they need to see. Skeleton Crew MIGHT work. MIGHT. If they tap into that old Spielgerg-style 80s hero kids vibe, but it isn't going to be enough either. And the buzz around a trilogy about Rey is going over like a lead balloon. I don't even see the Mando movie doing all that well. Disney needs to really think about what they are doing, throw the checklist out the window, and focus on simple, dynamic storytelling with fun, dynamic and emotional characters. AND TURN THE DAMNED LIGHTS ON!

[@KyleDavis328]

I mean, as long as the Rey trilogy is all produced with the same creative at the helm it can't be _worse_ that the ST... Which isn't a high bar by any means, but still...

[@dreemurrprince]

@@KyleDavis328 disney has done the impossibke before only they could make something worse than the narrative catastrophe of the sequel trilogy

[@Maryondo]

That reminds me when Luke Skywalker was featured in The Mandalorian. They didn't tell KKK about it and she got really mad when she learnt about it, and blamed the producers of The Mandalorian, for the fact that her High Republic book series start didn't perform that well, because they added Luke 😂

[@4str0m3ch]

Mate, The High Republic is great. I and my son are loving the books. I read the MG and YA books with him. We were super excited about The Acolyte but it was riddled with issues, despite having some decent moments. Overall, the print media has been killing it. I can't think of a single recent title that wasn't a fun read.

[@4str0m3ch]

@@Maryondo Source for that?

[@tarfeef101]

The biggest problem was the main characters. They never seemed to have a strong identity or relatable drive people could get behind. Osha was briefly "someone who decided the jedi order wasn't for them and was living her best independent life", and then that was all dropped. After that, she never seemed strongly motivated til the very very end. Mae was a angry girl for "some reason", then was an angry girl because of a childish resentment borne from her own actions. Not super compelling. Everyone around them was more interesting

[@austinbaccus]

Ironic that the show getting so much hate for the shoehorned diversity is also getting a bad review because none of its characters stood out

[@thebigcheese8715]

Sol was by far the best character but they killed him because even when given the opportunity to defend himself when his life is at stake he still can't say anything beyond "I did the right thing". He could have easily explained that the mother turnt into a freaky smoke monster and was evaporating Mae but instead whenever he had an opportunity to defend himself he can't provide reason to justify his actions. Seems like a rather important detail that for all he knew he was under attack or that the Coven was being unnecessarily confrontational and no intentions of a peaceful resolution. The series had potential but instead we got walmart special nightsisters, a bunch of jedi knights that were slaughtered like the younglings in ROTS, and a guy with the communication skills of a 7 year old.

[@DLR24]

They’re diverse, that’s all that matters.

[@Tomreese130]

Tony Gilroy and the Andor production crew need to be brought on for future Star Wars projects. Andor is quite literally the only Disney Star Wars production to have legitimate, HBO levels of quality. It baffled me how Leslie Headland pitched this show to KK, got $180 mil and created this garbage.

[@Aetoski]

IF only Andor were actully good star wars lolol... its not even good writing.. its boring and makes TERRIBLE Sci-Fi decisions. The only thing interesting abou that era with is the Fall of the Democracy.. and yet we get Senators eating family dinners and buttering up bankers... nothing in the senate! lol not to mention how DUMB it is to use Human Labor on an ultra Top Secret project when Droids and incredibly advanced factories/machinery exists

[@ForsakenKrios]

Tony Gilroy has no desire to do anything outside Andor, and all the power to him for that. If he was brought in to other projects, who’s to say they would be right for him? And if he’s forced into more of a streamlined production schedule, won’t the quality suffer? I’ve never been a big Dave Filoni fan, but it’s plain to see he is being crushed by having to be attached to so many projects all at once, the quality is suffering. You can argue he should delegate more (I agree) but it doesn’t change the fact that there can be a limit to how many things someone can work on at once.

[@jimdaniels7531]

Not sure TG wants to be a showrunner again, he's made comments about how demanding it is. And he shortened Andor's run from 5 to 2 seasons because of this. But hey, maybe bring him in as a script advisor. The main thing hurting many of these shows is weak scripts.

[@SwagSwagSenate]

​@@jimdaniels7531Andor was always planned to be 2 seasons from the beginning. The whole 5 seasons thing was just an option they thought of while filming season 1 but inevitably declined on.

[@superiorrule34]

To no one’s surprise.

[@rockystudiogaming]

ofc

[@JTReviewsPlus]

I get everyone has a right to their own opinion but 7.5/10 is waaaaaay too generous lol

[@MrSpajser]

nope, if you aren't grifter and rage-baiter.

[@idlecom]

@@MrSpajser idk 7.5 is a really good rating tho

[@MrSpajser]

@@idlecom for him is too generous and it's not true.

[@c.s3369]

Yh this show is a 2/10 maximum. They get a 2 for choreography and fighting. Apart from that I don't see what was good

[@Havokiy]

The video starts at 0:01

[@AnjelMartinez-cl8mj]

No, it starts at 0:00

[@RockyCooper-qj7dy]

@@AnjelMartinez-cl8mjno it starts at 0:02

[@kenny.-.9087]

Thanks babe

[@danielniehues2681]

This is false

[@superdougie4637]

Ridiculous! It actually starts at 0:09

[@CraitMerc]

I will say what I have many times before: Andor is the blueprint. A show written by professionals and written like traditional TV. They need to scrap the low runtimes and the show-but-actually-a-movie approach.

[@OhChrumbs]

I think the problem both Star Wars and the MCU shows are facing is that they've been pumped out on a production line to keep a steady flow of content coming to Disney+. But people are wising up to the fact that even the better shows are really solid in the first couple of episodes, but then they kind of droop and meander their way to an often unsatisfying ending. People are losing trust that starting to watch one of these shows won't be a waste of time. Disney needs to knuckle down and produce a few very tightly written shows that keep people's interest all the way to the end. Because if they can't regain that trust, nostalgia bait will only keep people's interest for so long.

[@MrSpajser]

Back then, in old EU times, new source materials were coming like from factory and fans don't have problem with that, now is big dumpsterfire according to these gusy.

[@magorostravsky5732]

Problem Is not mass production. Problem is, pushing politicks and agenda nobody but few weirdos care for.

[@liaml.e.5964]

Yes, sadly The Acolyte was a disappointment of astronomical proportions. The writing is abhorrent, the acting is terrible, the makeup amateurish, the costume design is mediocre (there are many Cosplayers with a fraction of their budget who perform 1000 times better), they disregard the lore, and all characters are one-dimensional at best. The only positive aspects it had for me are: the choreographies (a little outlandish but very well executed), the sets and the alien designs (I loved what they did with the Neimoidians). Such a pity, I've wanted a Sith centered show for AGES and this is what we got...

[@Makocat]

How could they make a really good series in Andor and not hold onto that level of quality and storytelling? Oh wait, they had something even better in mandalorian that appealed to even outsiders that never cared for starwars and ruined it eventually. This is just the norm with Disney. And like the sequels, it's all a bunch of missed opportunities and wasted potential. That's Disney, and Starwars, as a brand now. All good faith is gone at this point. Chances are all but spent. People are starting to move on.

[@achaudhari101]

Mandalorian is not ruined.

[@AAhmou]

​@@achaudhari101 Season 3 was where the series hit rock bottom.

[@achaudhari101]

@@AAhmou No. That was a season people were either petty over Gina getting fired or were too stupid to not know what a co lead was.

[@CaptainFordo21]

@@achaudhari101season 3 was abysmal from a writing and directing perspective.

[@Cthulhuwarlord]

@@achaudhari101”no one else is allowed to have an opinion I don’t share!”

[@M3g4UBERn00b]

I genuinely don't understand why Disney struggles so much to just write stories that make sense and have good characters

[@pascalmohtaschem3405]

I think most of the stories aren't bad per se, but they can't get the writers to make them compelling. What's worse, there are quite a few great stories in the books that they could just adapt and blow everyone's mind. Don't know why they don't do that.

[@Paddy6]

I actually said "thank fuck" when the the last episode ended. This show is an abomination, the fight scenes were pretty dope tho.

[@brandoncoradi9557]

Agreed the combat was easily the best part

[@mattd5240]

That's the only compliment I can get from people whenever I ask them why they like the show. It boggles my mind.

[@Chilling_Chilling]

Maybe their next series can be about a *coven of TWERKING witches* whose rich European daddies buy them their way into stardom, but they still have the audacity to pretend they're being held back by "the system" because I'm sure that would be a very successful show in this timeline 😬😅

[@NoAddedWater]

nah bro the scene with mop dude’s head getting snapped was the most violent we’ve had in a while from Disney

[@mattd5240]

@NoAddedWater Sure. But is that enough to make the show good?

[@GrievousReborn]

It has been confirmed by Disney that the acolyte will not be getting a season 2 all of the reverse review bombing in the world from the critics could not save this show

[@darkside6526]

Leia: "The Acolyte is a failure" Han: "I Know"

[@Rensune]

Eck, WHAT is honestly sad about a sub-par trainwreck (of a studio) maiking bad product? The only sad thing is thst they're still in business.

[@SoranotRoxas]

Not surprising, and not sad. We saw the writing on the wall as soon as episode 3 happened 😅

[@tmytyson]

8:46 I feel like this whole thing is a long setup to how Eck just wants more Genndy Tartakovsky Clone Wars.

[@ProtoNeoVintage]

Don't we all though?

[@DCPTF2]

Oh wow who couldn't have predicted this

[@StraitEdgeArt]

This is a win in my book. Creating a product that no one likes? Stop making the product. Star Wars isn't the problem, shows like the Acolyte are. Star Wars needs to be an event, few and far between, with at least near-perfect writing. Go back to the prequel days of tie-in novels/comics/video games and quit the show formula. Mando works as a Western, not as a long-winded quest story. Andor works as a tangential narrative to Rogue One but Cassian has so much history that they are going to have to cram into one season. Disney needs to see the writing on the wall here. It is impossible for a committee of people to be in control of Star Wars and it succeed, not one vision is being seen through anymore and it is most apparent now more than ever. Dump the High Republic, dump the Sequels, dump the nostalgia that is fueling New Republic era because many things are just rip-offs or callbacks to better Star Wars and even other movie franchises. Get one person who has a vision in command and let that person work with help from audio, visual, editing, actors. Anything more and you will have more Frankenfilms and shows with no heart or soul. It is ok to take inspiration from other works because without this notion, Star Wars wouldn't exist. However, we need to have a through line of how each part of the world of SW works and not keep adding rules or changing canon or baiting a reboot, etc. I think the beginning of the end was Last Jedi, but more the reactionary changes made after than the events of the movie. Stop hiring activists to make your movies, hire people who want to make movies. Activism is great, but I don't care for the hamfisted attempts at activism in main storylines. A character can care, can want justice, but make sure its related to the world they are in not something so analogous to modern politics that it makes my eyes roll. Lastly, if I see another Bait-and-Switch narrative or an attempt to circumvent expectations and say "Jedi are actually bad because example A", or "Imperial narrative is actually a Rebel defector narrative after 15 minutes, sublot B" I will cease paying attention to Disney's attempts at end-of-life-care. Pseudointellectuals are running the shows now, especially when it comes to morality. It's really simple: Jedi are good, Sith are bad. Blue is good, red is bad. Freedom is good, imperial dogma is bad. Stray from this once, and you get the Sequels, stray from this twice and you the get Acolyte, three strikes is not good so don't let it happen again. If Disney cares so much about voices being heard, and they make crap, let your voice be heard and just don't watch. Most people that watched the Acolyte care about Star Wars, most people that enjoyed the show need to have a talk with a therapist or take an IQ test.

[@bt42_howitzer]

Honestly.. I just want Star Wars that is: entertaining, cares about the original established lore, and doesn't feel the need to try to push being different on everyone

[@xghostx9715]

I just want more animated shows.

[@BluntBrothersProductions]

@@xghostx9715yeah, but I just want good stuff, no matter what format. I know that sounds dumb, but it’s very, very easy for these shows and movies to NOT be half-baked and trash, yet that seems to be the new standard. I just hope Andor S2 is as good as season 1… I hope

[@RegginaldRiglet]

This is exactly it. Fun, entertaining stories that still respect what’s come before. It shouldn’t be rocket science.

[@BrayOfTheDonkey]

Wouldn't that be mind boggling for Disney Exec's, we went back to the O.G setup and we are getting praise and money!! lots of money!! Gonna be interesting when KK finally retires and the process as to who will fill her position, they better not screw that up for the successor

[@teamtundra2619]

Wdym

[@Gemstonehits]

I do not believe there is a future for star wars under Disney. The environment is too corporate for lucasfilm to take risk, and with risk you lack the creative spark that drove Star wars and the EU to blow like it did. A future separate from Disney is the path frankly, though I doubt that would happen.

[@steve223311]

Thankfully they cancelled it!

[@worldwanderer91]

No Sith it was an absolute cluster Force of a failure

[@Ostrichesarecool]

Beautiful use of ST lingo 😂

[@hunterpdx7061]

I love Andor as well; it's just so well constructed. It's Star Wars for adults. Ahsoka had some missteps but also has potential. I care about what happens to her, Ezra and Sabin. The Acolyte I did not watch because nothing about it interested me and just looked so underwhelming. I'm not really caring about Skeleton Crew, either. About the only things I am interested in are the next seasons of Andor and Ahsoka and the next Mando project.

[@davidordaz5251]

Yeah i liked ahsoka and andor but the acolyte didn’t interest me either though

[@randytessman6750]

Why Disney doesnt use the EU stories that have already been popular and build off one of those. Personally would love to see series of Darth Bane or maybe one covering Darth Sidious from child to senator.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

That's crazy that Andor didn't get more views. Amazing show. And with all the complaining by everyone about Acolyte on social media, you'd think they were all watching it. Guess they were just regurgitating talking points then, huh. Go figure.

[@mitchaxness2305]

The Acolyte was the Disney+ show I was most excited for, as it was being sold as how the Sith began to come out of hiding and eventually conquer the galaxy. Headland said she wanted to show the basis for Darth Maul's TPM line "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi." This show was not that. If it would've been focused on the Sith characters - Darth Plagueis as the master and his apprentice Qimir searching for an acolyte to help him kill his master - that would've been closer to what the show was sold as. Imagine the Jedi investigating why bodies with lightsaber wounds are being found across the galaxy, and trying to figure out who could possibly be committing these murders when Jedi are the only known lightsaber wielders in the galaxy.

[@conbomb420]

Disney cares more about political brownie points than storytelling. The main problem though is they hate the heros journey it's a basic set up that works it's been around forever and there's a reason why it works. People like it when the little guy overcomes the odds look at Luke went from farm boy to galaxy saving Jedi knight but he didn't just pick up a lightsaber and was like cool I'm the best now no he got his ass kicked by a wompa and had to go through training with Yoda in a swamp training we saw. Rey just becomes a Jedi no real hardship no real climb to get there she's pretty much a Jedi her first movie Luke could bearly move a lightsaber in his second.

[@kodyw2960]

While there were a few things I thought were cool, I didn’t find anything I’d call good. This was the first piece of modern Star Wars material I legitimately hate. Not dislike, hate

[@SpottedHares]

and which skin tone did you see that made you hate it?

[@MrSpajser]

because of ?

[@kodyw2960]

@@SpottedHares and this is why I hesitate to give my opinion and rarely comment. Because it automatically results in assumptions that my problem stems from race or gender identity of the characters rather than from legitimate criticism of writing, plot, direction, etc.

[@lewatoaofair2522]

At this point, I’m just numb to this….Zombie Star Wars. Some would be quick to say “Star Wars is dead”, but I don’t think y’all know what “dead” implies. Star Wars is obviously not a “dead franchise”; it’s still getting official media. What it’s missing is the soul that made it special, intriguing, and captivating. That lack of a soul doesn’t mean it’s “dead”, more so “undead” or “zombie”. Think The Simpsons, when was that show last good? The soul of that show lives in those early seasons, and their corporate daddies (Fox (now Disney (fuckin’ hell))) wanted to milk its popularity dry, soul or no soul. I heard the term “Zombie Simpsons” attributed to this. It’s a terminology far more befitting to any franchise that anyone on the Internet calls “dead” with haste over any perceived soul-deviation.

[@achaudhari101]

It's not a zombie franchise either.

[@Gemstonehits]

Have you seen the emplemon video released on SW?

[@themecking]

this is an excellent way of putting it, when I first heard they were going to make another movie all those years ago I was incredibly excited, but as each movie and series comes out, with a few exceptions, that excitement diminishes until at this point I just don't care any more.

[@achaudhari101]

@@themecking Apathy is brain rot.

[@hariitokyashimoto3458]

What puts me off is that Disney screwed up so much about the franchise and expects me to invest money into a subscription that I literally would not benefit from (because I don't care about their other stuff) - especially when the New star wars quality is sub par.

[@Cameron39829]

Sadly??! Are you high

[@FillenNaymeer]

The fact disney succeeded in making people use language like "it was bad but..." is what drives me nuts. Bigotry is terrible all that sucks everyone knows that But a star wars fan saying this show sucks a brown star and disney subtley (or not so subtley) implying thats alligning yourself with bigots is discrediting actual bigotry. And in my humble opinion, is more bigoted behaviour than fans expressing their discontent over an awful cringey show Which also brings me to the point where people use the argument that "the ratings are too low" as an indicator of bigotry. No, thats just the final straw after a series of star wars failures. And also, more importantly, im not a film critic. I have like 4 tiers of show. Amazing, good, meh, and i just wasted my time watching bs. If something falls into the 4th category it gets a 0 from me. Its not worth the watch. And thats the acolyte

[@ValyrianPrince]

They have weaponized empathy. I can come online and cry bigotry to cover up my shoddy work that I got paid MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR IN ADVANCE. Folks will eat it up and turn agains fellow fans in some sort of righteous sympathy. It makes me hate the corporations more. There’s no incentive to do solid work anymore. Breakdown and explained channels will explain stuff you should do on screen, websites will write positive articles for you and creators will condescend and label any criticism as lacking nuance or invalid cuz people didn’t use nice words.

[@DagothUr69]

All these SW youtubers always say WOW SHOW IS GREAT, then when they get over themselves and see reality, the see disney as the trash it is. They’re just slow to achieving self thought

[@Thrak2502]

Different take: Disney+ needs to lean into the TV movie concept. The Acolyte would have landed much better as a two-hour (or less) movie. Same might be said of Kenobi.

[@michaeltracy8749]

It did suck

[@MTBJJ2001]

I agree with almost everything you said. One of the last rational critical thinkers on KZbin. Especially in the Star Wars community

[@generaltron]

My reply to the title.... Not sadly... It failed as expected. Everyone knew going in with headland being who she is that this was going to be a dumpsterfire and thats exactly what it is. Just more continued character assassination of established core characters in the ip...

[@orangypteco8858]

Can't believe certain people tried to gaslight us into thinking this show was some kind of holy grail and not a complete fucking joke

[@hakimzane]

This ☝️

[@SpottedHares]

i can't believe some dumb ass are trying to gaslight is into think killing this show wasn't part of a lot of people politic agenda?

[@ValyrianPrince]

They’re still trying to

[@Korsav0]

Water is wet

[@rockystudiogaming]

hm yes, water is water

[@jakelaurence30]

Nah water isn't wet. Water makes things wet

[@HolyCrusader5]

@@jakelaurence30 its both, depending on what way u define the word: "wet"

[@kobblestonemc]

@@jakelaurence30 Adhesion is making things wet; cohesion is making itself wet.

[@historybuff1993]

I’m a bit of a Star Wars apologist and have enjoyed a lot of other content that has been released that other viewers may not have liked as much. Unfortunately the acolyte was the first time I didn’t finish a Star Wars title. I didn’t think it was as bad as others thought. But the biggest failure of the acolyte was it was just boring and I couldn’t stay engaged after the 5th episode.

[@leopard2690]

I'm just not ok with hack writers spending hundreds of millions to write subpar shit.

[@sliceofheaven3026]

I think the problem is that the directors and showrunners of Star Wars movies and tv series seem to be decided on the basis of idelogy rather than being fans of science fiction in general. For example Rian Johnston really wasnt the right person for Star Wars but I think he got along fine with Kathleen Kennedy. After him there has been a string of directors who seemingly got into some trouble with Kennedy and so those projects were handed to other directors or scrapped entirely. To me it seems like Kennedy is the type of person who likes micromanaging things even when it seems that she lacks the creative vision for doing stuff like that. The problem is also that either Lucasarts or Disney wants the high republic era to be the one that replaces partly the current era and the old republic era of Star Wars since I think its the only intellectual property of Star Wars that is wholly created by Lucasarts at the Disney era. Though from what I have heard the book sales of the high republic era have kinda gone down over the months.

[@VictorKiithsa]

I see it as a good thing Acolyte failed. Its the only way corperations learn they need to stop whatever it is they are doing. Reviews and fan out cry doesn't matter. It's all viewership, which equates to money. The only way to make disney change how they are treating star wars is to have them suffer financially untill we start seeing what we want, or they release lucasfilm (including its IP's) to be independent again.

[@sparkycjb]

I love, LOVE Andor (the show). Which is weird because I don't actually care about the character of Andor, but I think he is more of a vehicle for the story to be told more than the point of the show.

[@OwentheKingofDudes]

"""Sadly"""

[@BigFatSeal10]

Guy is very biased

[@rileymosman2808]

I think Andor's hook *slight spoiler* was the fact that he did a murder in the first episode. That unexpectedly dark moment made me want to keep watching.

[@jimdaniels7531]

Yeah, we hadn't seen that kind of scoundrel behavior since Han shot first in ANH. Definitely a refreshing moment. Gotta say though, it was Cyril talking to Chief Inspector Hyne that really grabbed me.

[@shakey2023]

I think the biggest issue is just the basic concept. The high Republic is an inherently flawed idea. The classic" is this the most interesting time in our characters life if not, then why aren't we writing about that" argument. The High Republic has no major wars, no familiar characters with a couple of exceptions of people we've seen way too many times. I hate to say it, but peaceful, prosperous times just aren't fun to watch on a TV show. Compare it to the Old Republic era. Sith Empire, thousands of force users fighting each other, awesome combat lots of drama, it's just far more entertaining. Oh, and no space. Witches giving virgin birth. I wasn't a big fan of that when they did it with Anakin, and I'm still not a fan of it now. I just think it's kind of boring.

[@idlecom]

I agree. The high republic was boring from the start. I really tried to give the books a chance, but they simply were terribly boring. Flat world building, predictable stories and bland terrorists as their main villains.. To invent such a boring ass setting when you got the fan-favourite of the old republic just laying around is just... idk I have no words for this.

[@alexbaker4056]

For me the biggest issue with most of the recent Star Wars series is that they seem to write based on cool things they want to see rather than focusing on a cohesive story. Kenobi was, for me, the worst offender. Fortress Inquisitorious was a great example. It's Vader's fortress, but the main characters have to rescue the princess so security is laughably bad. We have to have the bad guy menace the hero, so we have a child being tortured, but she's princess leia so of course she can outwit Reva. They have to escape, so we wind up with kenobi wearing an oversized trench coat with a child under it. It'd be great to have a strafing run by speeders so we'll put that in, even though they'd wind up flying into the rear wall of the hanger. And finally they have to escape, so we'll have multiple people jump into a two person speeder. The writing team for the acolyte seemed so intent on the evil twin/switcheroo that it required too many characters to make decisions and take actions that stretched credulity. I remember the moment Sol went from "I don't believe Mae is alive" to "I believe you Osha" and it felt so jarring. There wasn't enough material, or engaging characters to fill the series length they went with and so dragged out a weak plot with boring protagonists and antagonists. Sadly even when they're onto a good thing, Mandalorian for example, they squander it, season 3 felt very rushed and slap dash.

[@jimdaniels7531]

Agreed, and it feels like this trend started with JJ Abrams. His focus on cool moments rather than compelling moments has cast a long shadow ever since TFA. I mean, even the animated shows knew how to develop great stories. I showed my gf the Nightsisters arc in TCW after we had watched (and generally felt let down by) Ahsoka. She loved it, and I was surprised at how much plot, action and tensions were in those episodes.

[@ragerkeaton18]

Oh boy do I have news for you..

[@mattrohwer7855]

Disney has never had a game plan since they acquired Star Wars. They've just been coasting on low-effort fan service and brand recognition. The Mandalorian S1-2 and Andor should not be the exception.

[@YT0091]

Acolyte was truly an abomination of a Star Wars project. I almost feel guilty for contributing to a complete viewing of the season. So many times I wanted to just quit but I'm a Star Wars fan, so I pressed on. I'll never watch it again, that is for certain. Where I have and will watch every other production a second time at a minimum.

[@dizehjvegnomis]

thanks marmar, your suffering does not go unrecognized and your work is appreciated!! 😸

[@Red_Oliver]

1:37 So by the ratings chart though, the worst show up this point was Andor. Which is in fact the BEST of all the shows on that list. Can't account for viewer tastes.

[@veltonalt]

Almost everyone who watched Andor loved it. Its just that its a starwars show without lightsaber or og characters and most people didnt even give it a shot. Really a shame

[@MrSpajser]

@@veltonalt The same problem are with Acolyte. No Skywalker no praise, brainrot moment.

[@jimdaniels7531]

Would love to see total views for these shows over time, not just what numbers they hit during release weeks. I'm betting that Andor would rank a lot better like this, considering that the numbers went up over its run as word of mouth slowly spread.

[@rogersnick17]

It felt like it was more for the director than for the fans. That's a fatal flaw for a narrative.

[@zmzzmzmzzm]

the problem wasnt no hook, it was poor writing written for children, i felt my brain cells dying off while watching it i really dont know how else to put it other then it was like watching one of those childrens tv shows

[@jimdaniels7531]

Agreed. And this show, about the Jedi failing and there being two sides to every story, about what good and evil actually mean, really needed a strong script that could properly explore the subtleties. Instead we got something that felt like it was written for the CW.

[@Tex_actual]

Acolyte was fucking horrible. The writing and acting was so damn bad. I literally could not get past the first 20 minutes.

[@CWCvilleCop]

You said "sadly", but I am not sad at all.

[@techguypaul]

You know what all the other shows have that the Acolyte doesn't? A main character from a previous movie or show. Lots of casual fans simply want to see characters they already know. Obi-wan, Ahsoka, Boba/Mando, and Cassian were all major pulls that fans want to see more stories from and Acolyte didn't have a single one, just a couple very brief surprise cameos.That is definitely a big factor in the watch numbers. The Acolyte is not a bad story (and no amount of haters screaming in the replies will change that). Was it drawn out a bit, probably. This season probably could've been 6 episodes. But with Disney wanting 8 and Leslye wanting to have room for another season, she probably only had enough story for another 5 episodes, which would've left her another 5 episodes short of a second season (plus the finale we got was probably a better cliffhanger to end the season on anyway). It absolutely deserves a second season to flesh out the things it setup (Plagueis, Yoda and the Jedi, Osha and Mae, and even Mother Koril). A big name like Yoda or Plagueis will draw fans in and give the Acolyte what all the other shows have had: character recognition.

[@andsmith3780]

Sucked from day one. Don't care about lore controversies, woke controversies or any of that stuff. Just an obviously garbage show put together by subpar producers and directors. We all knew it, and got whined at and fingers wagged by everyone who wants to happily la0 up whatever shit they spit out that says "SW" on it.

[@jbroadway12]

I’ve stopped consuming starwars content since acolyte ruined it for me, but I came back JUST to leave engagement on a acolyte hater video

[@jonny45k44]

But by every imaginary metric... It did amazing!!! Oh wait

[@SmugStick]

I liked it :/

[@ValyrianPrince]

Sadly

[@Thee_Sinner]

Sadly? lol

[@BigFatSeal10]

Hes clearly biased, probably a liberal who is forced to like everything twitter says

[@andystevens7557]

You called it; CANCELLED!

[@sithazzazzin7329]

Let's be honest. The general public normies could care less about the lore or a hook. The Mandalorian seasons 1 and 2 were popular cause of Grogu/baby Yoda. It became less popular as soon as deep lore got involved.

[@kristophervanvarenberg526]

If you don’t mind any “minor” lore hiccups, then Star Wars fandom is not your thing, my apprentice…

[@quantumtheo]

So... one of the things I see new SW apologists say is "more star wars is good star wars..." and this show, and many other abominations Disney has made are great examples of how making something bad takes away from the good of past movies/shows. It dilutes the overall goodness of the overall star wars story..... More bad star wars makes star wars as a whole even worse... more good star wars makes star wars as a whole better. This show... makes me want to put Star Wars away for 10 years and come back to it and remember the good stuff and ignore the, what is now, huge pile of crap that Disney has expelled. Stop making excuses. One of the only positive comments I'm seeing so far out of the first 42 for this video stated "I didn't regret watching it." WHAT A GLOWING, WONDERFUL REVIEW! Let me just run and watch it RIGHT NOW! /sarcasm for those who cant tell. That is just about the worst thing you could say about this. To put it another way... the OT, prequals, CWs and Rebels (and many amazing video games like Jedi Knight 2 and Academy, Rogue Squadron N64, KOTOR... plus EU books by authors who really cared) are like a steak dinner with all the fixens. Acolyte, Obi-Wan, Boba Fett, etc...... it's like cold, day old mcdonalds that if you microwave is barely palatable. Does it fill you up and offer some sort of nutrition? Yeah.... but it won't be a very enjoyable experience and you'll most likely feel like crap after eating it. A good steak dinner with all the fixens (my for example, your meal will vary in this metaphor) fills you up, gives you good nutrition, and, if you didn't stuff yourself too much, will leave you feeling good. It's time to put Star Wars down for a while.... it's time to let it go. George Lucas was a genius. He made us wait... and sometimes delayed gratification (getting really hungry) with something really worth it (the steak dinner) makes for a truly amazing, mind altering experience. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

[@achaudhari101]

Screw your Ted Talk since SW shouldn't die.

[@quantumtheo]

@@achaudhari101 Wow, you really make me want to change your mind with your friendly response. Where did I say SW should die? I absolutely did not. That's a misrepresentation and you owe me an apology, sir.

[@achaudhari101]

@@quantumtheo You kind hint it due to wanting to be "let go".

[@quantumtheo]

@@achaudhari101 I preceded that statement with "put it down for a while." Don't know how much clearer I can put it. I absolutely did not even hint at it. Again, that was disingenious and you misrepresented me.

[@SpottedHares]

@@quantumtheo people who aspire to victim hood always demand apologies for pointing out how big of a peace of shit they are.

[@JustJohn505]

Disney saw this specific video and look at what happen the next day

[@Lead1121]

Sadly? It's happily a failure. We need it to fail so Disney sells the property to someone who will do it justice

[@simonlawrenson6972]

Star Wars is raking in huge profits. One show failing is not gonna make Disney sell it, plus switching out one corporation for another probably won't change how the property is handled. Disney has the most resources, and so has the greatest potential to produce the best Star Wars content.

[@War450]

@@simonlawrenson6972 Here, take this copium tank since yours must be running low.

[@beskamir5977]

@@simonlawrenson6972 Literally anyone including my dogs could make better Star Wars than Disney.

[@2railnation]

​@@simonlawrenson6972There's been reports Disney may not have even made back the $4B they paid for it. Not sure what huge profits you're making up.

[@TheSuperRatt]

@@War450 Corporations only care for profits, my friend. They will do whatever they think will make them the most money, and that means producing metric fuck-tons of shlock that the lowest common denominator will eat up. It's not just happening to Star Wars, either.

[@Gr33nAv3ng3r]

The problem with the Acolyte was bad acting, bad dialogue, crap storyline, focusing on stuff no one cares about (those random twins)

[@Thissentenceisfalselosers]

“Sadly”

[@Tnova9]

What are the 'minor lore hiccups' in your opinion, Eck?

[@cadettrudell1122]

One is that the jedi are just bumbling incompetent dumbasses and also the most powerful group in the galaxy

[@snakem8ker]

​@@cadettrudell1122was that not the whole prequel trilogy

[@SpottedHares]

@@cadettrudell1122 a yea the dumbass that found out the sith made that army they were leading that had control chips in their brain that could force them to kill their Jedi commander, the same group that just kept on like nothing change. The jedi order rune Lucas was rather incompetent and foolish.

[@idlecom]

@@cadettrudell1122 that is in line with the writing of the high republic in general. The Jedi rest on their successes from the far past, while having lost their way, needing to find it again to avert crisis.

[@cadettrudell1122]

@@snakem8ker no, they were just outplayed by palps

[@GamingPanda5748]

They gotta stop having multiple directors, have one director with a vision and people to provide ideas and feedback

[@youtubeisapublisher6407]

What EXACTLY was good about the acolyte, Eck? WHAT were the good character moments? I know you don't like to be negative but who exactly do you benefit with this vineer of positivity? You DO know that the people who made this show vehemently hate you right? This show was made explicitly to exclude you and continue to dissolve the lore made by previous generations of Star Wars stories. There was nothing good about the show and it deserved to fail, because it ought never to have been made in the first place.

[@legobi_wan_kenobi]

Jecki and Qimir were great, the duels were great, the KOTOR 2 style depiction of the Dark Side/Light Side divide was great, all the ships/environments/costumes/makeup/alien species designs were great, the slow transition from a series showcasing the HR-era Jedi to a series illustrating the corruption and fall of a good-natured person into a killer was great see above, literally any scene with Jecki and Sol, and any scene with Qimir and Osha I imagine he 'gains' the ability to see things objectively and not succumb to hate and toxic fandom wars, isn't it interesting that after the treatment that the prequels got in the media and from the fandom at large back in the 2000s, the exact same thing is now being done to the Disney-era Star Wars shows by the same people who insist that the prequels are secret masterpieces wrongly maligned by a society that didn't understand them - I guess some things never change. "This show was made explicitly to exclude you and continue to dissolve the lore made by previous generations of Star Wars stories" - sounds like you have a victim complex and have difficulty rationalising fictional stories with your day-to-day life, I hope you get better soon

[@floriantieger491]

The acolyte is in my opinion one of the worst series I have seen. Dialogues were boring and uncomplicated. At many points they said what they or others were doing, thinking and feeling. The sets were uninteresting. For the jedi temple there was one room with two walls, no camera change, nothing. Some of the forest scenes were blurred so you couldn't see anything. Bad costumes. The lightsabres just look strange. Uninteresting story. What do I care about two girls? Give me more about the Sith, much more and not five seconds of plagueis. Illogical and incomprehensible actions of the characters. One moment they want to kill each other, the next they don't, then they do, then they don't. Speaking of illogical, cut trees fall upwards. Plus the logic gaps that have now appeared, but they are still a minor problem which I can accept, but anyone who says this series is good probably hasn't been paying attention.

[@cgreen7157]

Ultimately, the blame falls on Kathleen Kennedy. She is the one who hired directors with completely different visions for the sequel trilogy and didn't force them to coordinate a story. She is the one who goes through directors like a chain smoker goes through cigarettes and constantly announces movies and shows that never get made. She is the one who hired Rion Johnson. She is the one who hired Leslie Headland and OK'd the story. She is the one who marketed Stars Wars by saying, "The Force is Female". She is the one who tried to make the High Republic era a thing (while ignoring more interesting periods), and she is the one who who said that none of Star Wars legends is cannon, while also saying that Star Wars stories were hard to come up with because there was no source material to work with. Under her leadership, the latest Indiana Jones movie lost hundreds of millions of dollars and the new Willow series was apparently so bad that it was removed from Disney+. I am baffled that she is still employed by Disney. Did she hire Headland (Harvey Weinstein's previous secretary) just so she had enough dirt on Hollywood elites such that she couldn't be fired? Sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory, but I am running out of alternative explanations...

[@simonlawrenson6972]

Headland was a good writer. I don't think the failure of The Acolyte has much to do with the show itself, more to do with a) marketing, b) the fact that Disney pumps out new shows constantly, and c) the fact that it doesn't have much connection with any other Star Wars characters. I mean seriously, there were no recognizable characters until the final episode with Yoda. People watched Kenobi because of Obi-Wan, people watched Andor because they liked Rogue One, people watched Ahsoka because they like Ahsoka, people watched The Book of Boba Fett because of Boba Fett, and people watched The Mandalorian because he looks like Boba Fett and they have a baby Yoda (and also because it was the first live action Star Wars show). So they are going to be fighting an uphill battle with a property that has no previous connections to other characters. I bet if Yoda played a more active role in this series, that it would've been much more successful on that basis alone.

[@brandoncoradi9557]

@@simonlawrenson6972I don’t agree with this at all, rogue one was all new characters and I loved it. The acolyte had some of the worst writing I’ve ever seen, none of the main characters were good besides Sol and then they just decide to throw away everything he tried to do

[@SpottedHares]

@@brandoncoradi9557 lets be honest you review the writing based on the skin tone of the writer.

[@brandoncoradi9557]

@@SpottedHares what are you talking about? Tbh I have no idea who the writers are for either show/movie and tbh I don’t care what color they are, I care if they can write a good story! What part of the writing about the acolyte did you think was good?

[@brandoncoradi9557]

@@SpottedHares the acolyte had such a good story it got renewed did you hear? 🤣

[@DaringDan]

It's insane how few people have watched Andor. It's a fricking masterpiece.

[@meepmeep8035]

I want more unique stuff like Acolyte, sad to see it turn out this way

[@jimdaniels7531]

No doubt. The franchise needs to be expanded to include more characters and settings. Hope Disney doesn't learn the wrong lessons from this.

[@khandimahn9687]

I wanted to like the Acolyte, I really did... but the writing in it was so bad. The core story was fine, but I don't know how the scripts were approved. There were just so many problems, from the first episode to the last. I really, really hope they learn to put quality before quantity going forward.

[@DarthDevorin]

Funny how they marketed it as "Frozen meets Kill Bill," yet were unable to incorporate any of the good stuff from those films.

[@JahillMC]

I don’t think they can get Tony Gilroy back as he is adamantly against making more Star Wars because of how much time and effort it is. But if they can get other established TV writers/directors/producers like Andor had (or just take the ones from Andor who are willing) and trust them to make a new show, I think we could end up with more shows that approach Andor’s quality.

[@jimdaniels7531]

Put TG in charge of reviewing scripts and making suggestions. That's basically how he got pulled into running Andor; he was not originally attached as the showrunner. But just having him there to point out flawed scripts would go a long way to improving quality.

[@barricadedpurifier]

I’m glad Acolyte failed. It shows that if you disrespect the source material and lore, general audiences and the fans will hate it.

[@jonathanward3633]

@@barricadedpurifier what lore and source material was disrespected? I don't want to sound like a douche, I am more than happy to agree to disagree, I just haven't heard anyone explain what lore was actually broken without them mentioning Ki Adi Mundis birthday

[@barricadedpurifier]

@@jonathanward3633 Take a look at Anakin’s birth. The reason why Jedi like Qui-Gon Jinn believed Anakin to be the literal Chosen One was cuz he was a miracle, born from immaculate conception through the force according to Anakin’s mom. In other words, a virgin birth similarly to real world Jesus and Virgin Mary except in this case it was the force and not God. The Chosen One prophecy in Star Wars is estimated to be at least 11,958 BBY, or earlier. They were waiting an extremely long time for the Chosen One. Meanwhile, you had a literal Witch Coven creating children from the force-DO YOU NOT SEE HOW LORE BREAKING THIS IS?! The Acolyte takes place a hundred years before Phantom Menace meaning that they were essentially doing this over and over to replenish or grow their numbers. Anakin’s birth was unique in which he was the only mortal born from the force through a virgin mother. And yet, with the “Power of One, the Power of Two, the Power of Many”, they were able to create essentially tons of children. Looking at the size of the cult, it appears that they’ve been doing this sort of thing through generations upon generations. Chosen ONE emphasis on the word “One”, and yet the witch cultists streamlined the process essentially creating a factory of Chosen Ones making Anakin’s birth not unique as now it’s shown that there are others like him born from the force and through mothers without fathers. Do you see it now? Anyways, I hope Acolyte isn’t canonical and we can go back to Anakin being the one and only instance of the concept of immaculate conception.

[@barricadedpurifier]

@@jonathanward3633 Take a look at Anakin’s birth. The reason why Jedi like Qui-Gon Jinn believed Anakin to be the literal Chosen One was cuz he was a miracle, born from immaculate conception through the force according to Anakin’s mom. In other words, a virgin birth similarly to real world Jesus and Virgin Mary except in this case it was the force and not God. The Chosen One prophecy in Star Wars is estimated to be at least 11,958 BBY, or earlier. They were waiting an extremely long time for the Chosen One. Meanwhile, you had a literal Witch Coven creating children from the force-DO YOU NOT SEE HOW LORE BREAKING THIS IS?! The Acolyte takes place a hundred years before Phantom Menace meaning that they were essentially doing this over and over to replenish or grow their numbers. Anakin’s birth was unique in which he was the only mortal born from the force through a virgin mother. And yet, with the “Power of One, the Power of Two, the Power of Many”, they were able to create essentially tons of children. Looking at the size of the cult, it appears that they’ve been doing this sort of thing through generations upon generations. Chosen ONE emphasis on the word “One”, and yet the witch cultists streamlined the process essentially creating a factory of Chosen Ones making Anakin’s birth not unique as now it’s shown that there are others like him born from the force and through mothers without fathers. Do you see it now? Anyways, I hope Acolyte isn’t canonical and we can go back to Anakin being the one and only instance of the concept of immaculate conception.

[@barricadedpurifier]

@@jonathanward3633 Take a look at Anakin’s birth. The reason why Jedi like Qui-Gon Jinn believed Anakin to be the literal Chosen One was cuz he was a miracle, born from immaculate conception through the force according to Anakin’s mom. In other words, a virgin birth similarly to real world Jesus and Virgin Mary except in this case it was the force and not God. The Chosen One prophecy in Star Wars is estimated to be at least 11,958 BBY, or earlier. They were waiting an extremely long time for the Chosen One. Meanwhile, you had a literal Witch Coven creating children from the force-DO YOU NOT SEE HOW LORE BREAKING THIS IS?! The Acolyte takes place a hundred years before Phantom Menace meaning that they were essentially doing this over and over to replenish or grow their numbers. Anakin’s birth was unique in which he was the only mortal born from the force through a virgin mother. And yet, with the “Power of One, the Power of Two, the Power of Many”, they were able to create essentially tons of children. Looking at the size of the cult, it appears that they’ve been doing this sort of thing through generations upon generations. Chosen ONE emphasis on the word “One”, and yet the witch cultists streamlined the process essentially creating a factory of Chosen Ones making Anakin’s birth not unique as now it’s shown that there are others like him born from the force and through mothers without fathers. Do you see it now? Anyways, I hope Acolyte isn’t canonical and we can go back to Anakin being the one and only instance of the concept of immaculate conception. The witch coven spits on the Chosen One prophecy. It’s insane and YT should stop removing my replies whenever I refresh.

[@barricadedpurifier]

@@jonathanward3633 idk why KZbin keeps removing my comment reply but to summarize: Anakin chosen one, immaculate conception (virgin birth through the force, no father). Meanwhile, the witch coven spits on the prophecy.

[@thedpend]

i think a good indicator of how well Skeleton Crew will do are the nielson numbers for Young Jedi Adventures tbh..

[@smack5472]

Honestly I'm tired of flawed Jedi and the Jedi Order in general being a punching bag. We need some heroes to actually look up to. Get back to basics with good vs evil. Also, stop making live action TV. Plan out a new movie trilogy that has nothing to do with any existing cannon. No more Skywalkers.

[@MrSpajser]

yea you get new period with acolyte and fans shit on this

[@RasakBlood]

No amount of money saves bad writing. They needed to tell good storys with a star wars skin that respects the star wars world. They just ended up pumping out bad writing and "remember this?" content. Remember they made a star wars movie trilogy without a plan for the over all story.

[@dogofwar6769]

No... no... it's not sad when someone makes a terrible version of something you love. It was a bad show. Simple as.

[@ComCommie]

It was mid, people are just hating on it because of imaginary culture war bullshit

[@beskarbaron6503]

@@ComCommie Okay then, tell me what the main motivations of Osha and Mae are?

[@SpottedHares]

@@beskarbaron6503 Mae, get revenge for the people she feels responsible for killing her family. Osha, find and save her sister from the trouble she gotten her self in. It we this out in the first two episode that air back to back. You'd have to be an idiot, or just plain lying about the show to have not noticed that.

[@DashhunterLP]

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[@BigFatSeal10]

@@ComCommie You are coping dude its a truly terrible show and you and the guy who made this video are treating it with kid gloves because of said culture war. Its made by liberals so none of you can say its bad lol

[@gungan5822]

Ahsoka was boring and lame. I can't even conceive of the path that takes the character from the animated version to the stoic boring live action version. Kenobi was equally lame.

[@kirby7294]

I don't understand why we need repeated lessons to tell us that we have a serious problem. Star Wars has had flop after flop (hyperbole) and yet everyone tunes into the next project expecting it to be miraculously good. A sick tree is only going to produce bad fruit. Andor is the exception, but Kenobi, BOBF, Mandalorian, Ahsoka, the Acolyte. I had no hopes for the Acolyte, I have no hopes for Skeleton Crew or any other star wars project. Star Wars is in a bleak state and lying to ourselves every time a new project comes out saying "maybe it will be good" is not working.

[@GGBlaster]

I watched the first episode, to at least give it a shot, but it just didn’t really captivate me. I think I was hoping for an exploration of the Sith rule of two culture: the plotting, the scheming, the attempted backstabs, and some commentary on how they manage to get away with it. Instead, it plays more like a murder mystery, which isn’t inherently bad, but in this case it just didn’t win my interest.

[@anthonygagan4398]

Can someone for the love of god show me where they spent 180 million dollars? I guess she learned from Weinstein about embezzlement

[@JoshBeach]

Lol Plagueis' inclusion was my least favorite part by far. Other than that it's one of the best and most interesting pieces of Star Wars media I've seen lately, it's definitely good