The Aftermath: 10 Years Of Lies

[@Avery-ut3yb]

Hello everyone. Avery here. TLDR: I’m not trying to provoke any more drama or issues. I’d rather not do an interview or respond beyond this message unless I feel an absolute need to. I do not want to continue this drama further than it has been pushed so far. For people that want to read a long ass message- I haven’t seen the original video or watched the interview on KZbin. I popped in for the interview when it was live and left it at that. The fact is I don’t want attention. At all. A few people have commented on here why I didn’t respond on KZbin or discord or twitter or anywhere else really. The simple fact again is that I don’t want attention or drama. I’ve given space to everyone from the videos for weeks unless they reached out, since the day after the live reading, in hopes of not only moving on myself but giving everyone involved the same opportunity. This is not ffxiv drama any longer. This is the people in my life’s personal issues with anything I’ve done or didn’t do towards them. If any of them have anything to say to me personally, I implore them wholeheartedly to reach out now. Miranda did yesterday. Which gave me a good opportunity to apologize to her. And afterwards have now cut contact once again and made it clear that was the case. Maddie and I never saw the name pop up in discord that I remember anywhere so.. Trevor, Thomas, Terry , whatever you were called in the video, if you have anything you want to say to me consider this an open invitation to contact me. And if all you want is your space then I won’t intrude on that in any way. I can’t give either side the satisfaction of saying the whole video was fabricated, it wasn’t and I did lie about things. Or that it was completely true. I won’t be watching it. Or rewatching the interview on KZbin. I know the pain I caused op. She told me so herself and I’ve apologized so many times I’ve lost count. That’s enough for me. I don’t need to relive it and read the comments to feel remorse. I’ve expressed it a thousand fold. I know the pain I’ve caused others as well and if given the opportunity would love to apologize to them also. So for both sides of the comments saying she could be lying about it all, she’s not. I’m sure there’s truth. And the ones that constantly say I’ve already stated it all as true. I lied. I have no idea. It might be. But again, without watching, I couldn’t tell you if every last thing on the video was true or not. I’ve seen comments talking about me responding in the comment section of the other video’s. If they said they were me, it wasn’t. This account was made the day of the livestream if there’s a way to check that, I don’t know. And it’s the only alt account I have on KZbin. All of this to say I’ve done my best to not continue this. I’d rather not. I am desperately trying to give anyone affected by any of my actions whatever they need and genuinely hope everyone affected heals. Like I said, if that takes infinite space you’ll never hear from me again. If that takes closure or you just want to tell me off, call me. I’ll listen and answer anything you want to know. It’s true I wanted an interview. I asked for it after watching ops because at the time I wanted my own voice out there saying my side of the story. Out of respect for op I decided to deny it instead. I wasn’t forced into this decision. I chose it and still am today. This may be a frustrating reply for some people since I’m not sharing my side of anything. And I’m sure my side would differ, everyone’s perspective is different. But I just genuinely just want this to be over, continue to peruse growth, and for everyone involved to heal. If anyone who knows me has something they’d like to express I hope they reach out and let me know. You have my number and if you don’t want me to speak, start the conversation with that. Im not interested in sympathy, I don’t want goodwill. I just want to put an end to the drama and learn from the mistakes I’ve made. That’s my only goals. And please, if not for me asking then for the community and content you enjoy watching stop acting like pathra is being unfair. I chose silence in the hope of the continuation of my life. I’m choosing to speak now in hopes of the same goal and to return the respect I was given. There will be no replies from me to the comments of this post. This is all I wanted to say and I hope the end of this all at least publicly. Thanks for reading if you made it to here.

[@grumpymcgrumpy5085]

Hope you both find closure and peace.

[@Zinodin]

Good and reasonable post. Thank you for sharing :) Good luck further man. Also, side note, it's nice to see a majority being on the same side. We like a bit of gossip, sure, but we just want everyone to be well and have healthy lives.

[@2000mAh]

Get off the internet.

[@BadaBadger]

>I don’t want attention. I never wanted it. >Makes a pinned comment hoping someone will believe you, knowing you just want the attention both good and bad. I know how you work. I know exactly what tricks you try and play for the attention. You’ll never change. Suffer for the rest of whatever you call a life. Edit: YOU AND I ARE THE SAME AGE? ARE YOU NOT EMBARRASSED? I LIVED the NEET life and that was the worst experience i have ever gone through as an adult. Rot in your tent.

[@Tailionis]

​@@BadaBadger I'm sure he will hit the gym, find a decent job, and throw away his beanie 😂. Ok, probably not.

[@obliviouschipmunk6539]

"Why give a liar a platform?" I mean unless every OP before has drunk a truth serum and we just ran out I think that's kind of a moot point. The very nature of this series has probably lent itself to us hearing lies beyond count. I don't think it's fair to cut someone off who wants to give their side.

[@dixonjt89]

Gaahhhhhhh, the mystery of the beanie is going to go unsolved!!

[@DevoutSkeptic]

Frankly I think if one person posts their story, then the "antagonist" should also be allowed to tell their story. People need to remember that there are two sides to every story and that we are always getting an inherently biased account when only told from one side. If you submit your story, you are implicitly consenting to having your story be scrutinized by the larger public.

[@kaileykill]

I agree! You said it so well. Even if there are no "sides" to a story, you can't just have 1 person's perspective and silence the other because you don't want to give them a platform to speak. The OP is basically silencing "Avery" even though they started this by submitting the story. It just isn't fair for him.

[@DevoutSkeptic]

@@pathra That's perfectly fair.

[@kaye507]

I agree, I think even if he's going to lie and just dig himself into a deeper hole... Let him. Also I really want to know what he'd say when asked about the beanie but that's neither here nor there

[@meowtheragdoll]

avery shouldnt need ops permission to be able to speak even if he is going to lie it doesnt matter because we dont know op either they could be a liar too

[@notoriousotaran8015]

This is exactly what I thought as well. If Avery himself doesn't want to release the interview that's fine, but yeah, for all I know OP could be completely making this whole story up. Not saying she is, but she could be for all anybody knows.

[@ReyReyzzz]

This has to be your most extensive drama story yet. It’s literally a trilogy of videos 😭💀

[@dains6623]

peak cinema

[@Wastingsometimehere]

Lord Of The Rings, but "The Precious" is a beanie.

[@RavanaMuse]

I knew my dream about the beanie meant something

[@RavanaMuse]

Twilight Book 3: Skin Flakes

[@Arupaca128]

I was here. I witnessed peak drama when it happened. PS: im so happy to see min khettos amphitheatre full outside of a seasonal event

[@ZanfisHD]

In my eyes, if OP is willing to submit a story from their perspective, but isn't comfortable with allowing the other person to tell their side of the story, it's very telling that they more than likely left out a bunch of information that paints them in a bad light. They didn't have a problem in submitting the story, nor doing a follow-up interview.. so they can't be hurting that bad, can they? or do they just not want the stress of not being able to control the narrative in their direction. Makes me see these types of stories in a new light.

[@maggie6305]

Hit the nail right on the head. People like OP are master manipulators. Typical ffxiv gamer trait.

[@grumpymcgrumpy5085]

Personally, I think the story was too fresh for Op to share it. Both parties barely moved out of the situation and now this whole thing just stirred the pot again. She should have waiting some time before sharing it and probably not contact Avery at all.

[@kichan]

Yeah, OP needs to stop going back and forth on claiming to not want to talk to him, but has clearly reached out to him on multiple occasions. And Avery needs to accept his mistakes and move on and grow from this experience, OP does not owe him forgiveness. This is just a simple drama series, not Jerry Springer. Sadly, I feel like romances like may be kind of common in XIV, but perhaps not this extreme. I think Avery just got into a position where he couldn't keep making up excuses for OP. I've been in a long distance relationship and I frequent LDR subreddits and forums. It's sad how many people ignore the red flags only to end up in OPs situation. Either the partner dodges them for years, or they do close the distance only to learn what their partner is truly like IRL. My friend depleted his savings for his gf whom he met on XIV. She too lived with him for years without getting a job. He paid for everythingggg for years.

[@ripvanwinkle3432]

I've seen this stuff enough to know not everything she is saying is true.

[@mayumayudreams]

You can do an interview but not live. So you can filter anything that might be inappropriate etc

[@holy9781]

As much as im excited for dawn trail,this makes me even more hype for the new blacklisting

[@dnukkes]

I think the correct choice is NOT disclosing Avary’s side of the tale and this is why. At the end of it all, this is a channel made for entertainment content. I know, in my experience, people (mostly) enjoy drama and gossip, especially when they’re not involved in it personally. I know that people will be quick to say, “there’s two sides to every story”; however, I do feel that you as a content creator walk a dangerous line doing what you do (and I support and commend you for it.) You risk becoming a parrot for people who, potentially, despise each other. If this Avary person is out like OP says, I could foresee them damaging OPs reputation or even yours, because they’re not a genuinely sorry person. They’re manipulative. Attaching identities to this stories makes them dangerous, even with fake names. People will learn who’s who when too many folks get involved. In my personal, non-professional opinion, stick to one sided story telling, and let your viewers take everything with a grain of salt. This is the internet after all.

[@Naoto-kun1085]

I agree, besides, judging by what OP said it's unlikely we could trust anything he says anyways, how would we know what's true or false? It seems like a waste of time to hear what he has to say.

[@inplane9970]

It's sad because now people are saying OP is "sus: for not wanting Avery to spread more lies. They're gonna be the first ones to believe Avery's BS the moment he opens his mouth. I don't think people here have dealt with pathological liars. You cannot let these kinds of people in front of an audience. They will swoon, charm, and tug at your heartstrings until you're they're buddy buddy. You'll act as their bargaining chip and you wont even know it because you're too emotionally-charged at the enemy they want you to fight.

[@HeroMystic]

This is my take as well. Inherently, everyone wants to hear more of a story they are invested in, and this is why we have Drama-tubers who hunt to farm content. It's very dangerous to become youtubers like Keemstar. It's easy to see all of this as just good content, but at the end of the day we are dealing with people's lives and we need to keep this in mind.

[@kellevichy]

@@Naoto-kun1085 Why should we trust anything OP says? How is it fair to listen to one and take their word for it and not even hear the other? Bad take. seriously.

[@ninetailedfox579121]

​@@Naoto-kun1085Why would you judge what OP said? We have absolutely zero context to know OP at all. For all we know OP could be Avery and is trying to flip the roles around.

[@Gaoull]

I personally find it a bit hypocritical to send a 10 page story to a creator and then do an interview and then state that you are uncomfortable about the person you spent hours talking about having a chance to speak. Pretty scrubby tbh regardless of what you think or know he will say. I do agree that a live interview would be a bad idea though just cuz the two of them do have cause to hurt each other by revealing identities or names. However, I think interviewing him off camera and then editing it for a post would be the most fair thing to do. You said you want to respect both parties. However, you are not respecting him at all by posting two videos of her side and nothing from him. Pretty far from respecting him imo. Of course, if it doesn’t happen, then it is what someone else said. He can always try to post his side on his own somewhere else. I’m sure someone will find and share it while it’s still fresh lol

[@meowtheragdoll]

factsss avery needs ops permission to speak too even though she sent her story to pathra who has 30k subs and then said he could post a video on his own channel that has like 0 subs lol

[@Fearno]

Well said, Pathra. First thing I did was check the discord since I opened the vid and got the notification at the same time that it was uploaded. XD It's been awhile since I checked the server and I was surprised. But yeah, as much as I'd wanna hear more, you made the right move to put an end to this story, I was lowkey worried since OP mentioned this was recent, that her and Avery would watch your vids together, and ofc... him popping up into chat. SHIT GOT REAL, like MORE THAN EVER. But damn, that beanie will be a bigger cliffhanger than Lambo Lala's fate. 😭😭😭😭

[@sterrlittapryros8245]

Lambo Lala is still the best story. Nothing could beat that

[@maxcrp5595]

I think it's unfair that they refuse to interview Avery, the right to answer is fundamental, and it could be a way to express himself and get in peace and fine with it. However, I imagine the reason is because some of the people would have then sided with him, falling for his "lies" (at least I guess I would consider this lies after that story) and that drama would have continued and get bigger and bigger, which is a bad thing for OP and Avery, they both need to move on.

[@LunnaHime]

Her entire story has holes in it and the desperation of trying to stop Avery to have a voice kinda comes across as she is the one who is lying and trying to alienate Avery from FFXIV. You can't claim one side is lying if you are not willing to hear the other side. Ages are weird, time are weird. You need to be more careful before taking sides for your own community.

[@QuarrelOfTheCave]

Pathra, you earned a huge amount of respect from me for making this decision and sharing your perspective. It would be so easy for you to draw out every angle of this story for the sake of content creation. Instead, you are taking a considerate and caring position. Not many folks would do that. There will always be people who latch onto drama and become obsessed with it. From one WoL to another, thank you for closing the book on this. You're correct, OP needs space. And even if he did originally want to be interviewed, Avery needs space, too.

[@susanoo8468]

I think Avery should definitely say his word. It’s always suspicious when one side doesn’t want the other to be heard. I believe he is most definitely a liar but we can’t get one half of the story it just isn’t right

[@pathra]

Avery made a reply and it’s the pinned message of this video.

[@pehpunkt]

I think that you’re taking what OP said for granted without giving the other side a chance to speak on the topic which makes it incredibly one sided. OP could have as well made stuff up or interpreted other things in their own way and I think if you can get both sides of a story you should do that. Otherwise you just offer a platform to people who want to be toxic publicly to others.

[@christianboustani8284]

If it were me, I'd give him the interview. I think its only fair he's allowed to tell his side of the story. Plus... We gotta know about the beanie. That's a question that needs to be asked!

[@zito3912]

If she knew that 'Avery' would go on to manipulate other women, why would she think it was a good idea to tell him that she is sharing their story with a popular ffxiv creator, after everything she‘s been through? I would feel very uncomfortable even messaging him, let alone letting him know that i‘m sharing the story with thousands of people IN THE SAME COMMUNITY?! Didn‘t she think he would try to involve himself and try to share his story if he is such a crazy guy? OP shouldn’t have put out this story to Pathra in such great detail to then tell avery, the supposed crazy maniac about it, to then act offened and worried when he tries to share his views, like..?? smh 😵‍💫

[@INeosIRex]

Even if someone is a liar you can not give only one out of two partys a platform to voice their opinion or thoughts on the matter. I think even if OP is uncomfortable with the idea of an Avery interview it does not take his right away to be heared if he wants to be heared.

[@DEATHPALLYZ]

I get it, but at the same time its sorta messed up having one persons story painting a horrible picture about someone and then silencing them by ignoring their side of the story. That would kill me on the inside if she actually was just telling a partial truth. Its weird that she told him shes submitting a story but than says "YOU GET NO SAY IN IT AND YOU CANT VOICE YOUR SIDE!" Messed up. At the end of the day he could lie about it but it wont change anything but at least he gets to speak his story. This can be setting up the channel to be a potential place for the actual offender to voice lies and silencing victims.

[@SparkLisA]

More I think about it, the more I feel she just wanted her 15 minutes.

[@astergreen6858]

idk I think it's only fair to hear the other person's side of the story. I'm not calling op a liar or anything like that but it's only fair, even in court both sides of the story are always heard out. after all it's all though op's perspective, the other side obviously has their own.

[@meowtheragdoll]

@@pathra yeah, after he was denied by the OP to be able to speak which is the issue.

[@Noah-gn2gu]

I don’t think it’s fair to allow people to submit their stories without the antagonist’s consent but then not allow the antagonist to do the same. That said, I do think it’s the right choice to just move on. People have become personally invested. Which I don’t think is the intent of the stories, right? Basically, I think it might be worth considering the format of submissions. Forcing more anonymity can prevent situations like this. Just something to think about.

[@pathra]

Avery made a reply and it’s the pinned message of this video.

[@kellevichy]

@@pathra That's not the same thing, will not have the same reach, and you know it. It's low and unfair.

[@suparicky8889]

The OP opened up about her drama and there are always 2 sides she can't stop someone from saying thier side makes it sound like she maybe hiding something?

[@nayoppi]

what a great way to finish a 'drama' chapter. ty pathra for this amazing video!

[@0fluu0]

He went in her discord and literally said "yeah Ops story is true". Since the videos came out he's stalked Miranda. If Avery gets interviewed this is what will happen: he's going to indeed own up to it, like he has done inside Pathras discord as well, and then people will watch him and go "oh wow, how introspective" and thats how he garners his next victim.. its not that I dont want him to say is bit, its just that I sincerely worry for whoever whos gonna pity him.. I think liars of this caliber can only do more harm than good by getting a platform to spout more lies. And please jote that Avery agreed on that. In Pathras discord he said he retracted his request to be interviewed if it would do more harm than good so... its a free country; if Avery wishes to share he sure can. But i dont feel comfortable if it gets a platform because i meekly stood by.

[@drizzlree]

Oh finally someone who can see the bigger picture. Not just the naive "need to hear both side of the story". I really dont see the point of having to hear the side of somebody who used to lies a lot. Like you said, its only giving them the platform to gain sympathy when he should receive none. Feels like everyone who said its not fair just want to waste their time to have the tea and drama without thinking further.

[@trout825]

@@drizzlreeit’s not naive. What’s naive is submitting the story, then telling him about it and acting like her side is the only side. Why say anything at all if you only want one side of the story. It’s naive to think this is the whole story.

[@ranouma147]

@@trout825Well Avery already said OPs side of the story was true.

[@markup6394]

@@trout825 We'll never learn the whole story because, and this is nothing against any OP that ever submitted a story: we, the audience, have no way to ever confirm if these stories are real. We have to be content that we will always only have part of it and fill in the gaps with what each of us think might have been true or at least a proximity. You think, someone who supposedly lies his head off at every turn would tell us the truth? This is anonymous, in case you have forgotten. OP told Avery, that she submitted the story which is fair. On his part, he could've just ignored it and live out his life. Nobody else knows its about him, exept his friends. Why offering an interview? There is nothing for him to gain - exept (!) a huge (!) platform with thousants (!) of people listening in. Yes, its naive to think that people are only beholden to "the truth". They are beholden to themselves and their truth, and after everything he has done (admits to it, too), there is no reason to give him the power to potentially sway sympathy to his side. - Also, the fact that OP offered to arange the other persons in this story to tell their part (aka, verify her story) should tell you something. It is one thing to submit a story and forget about it, quite another to do an interview and get scrutinised by this community, that not always respectfull and friendly. The interview with OP could've backfired just as easily.

[@inplane9970]

@@trout825 Because we only need one side? Avery already admitted the story is true. Everybody in Avery's circle attested to that and real consequences came as a result. Why do we need his side? So he can garner sympathy? Show how he's a nice guy? Where is this support coming from lol

[@UnoDosTres-qn4lm]

I think people need to remember that just like the “Antagonist” of these stories we don’t know anything about our “protagonist” OP could be just as bad if not worse than Avery so pls just because there side of the story was read to still take things that are read with grains of salt

[@inplane9970]

Hence why everything is anonymous. People can't go witch-hunting. All that matters is that the situation is dealt with in their personal matters and everyone moves on.

[@KaileyKittyx]

I assume OP is just as bad based on their responses to people in the comments. They're very defensive and manipulative. I take everything that person says with a grain of salt after all this.

[@MsRuneGirl]

@@inplane9970people can absolutely go witch-hunting because OP sent these videos to Avery’s entire bloodline and family, as well as his circle of real life friends. Every single person in his real life as well as online life knows about this story, without knowing the other side. OP made sure that this story did not just stay online and through ff14.

[@MsRuneGirl]

@@inplane9970People did go witch-hunting. OP sent this entire story to Avery’s family as well as all his online friends AND real life friends. Every single person he knows in real life, people who don’t even play ff14 or use discord, have found out about this video.

[@ninetailedfox579121]

​@@inplane9970Except that it isn't anonymous. The OP told a lot about Avery, such as what server they were on and how he plays/talks, chances are that people who know him may know who is being referenced.

[@csrjjsmp]

It’s so nice to see your drama videos again my squiddly widdly

[@naru6929]

Think this is the best decision regarding the Interview with avery. I hope he gets help and becomes better and that op can also move on from the experiences ToT

[@RvnWolf]

I'm afraid you are wrong on that context, every story has two sides. Just as Avery is capable of lying so to does Op can. Just saying seen enough Drama vids and contraversy videos, example Yakirasuu, a once popular vtuber who got exposed for being a horrible person. Lying and ruining lives because the public only took her side and not bothered listening to the other side until the massive exposure from multitude of sources in google docs exposing Yakirasuu. But its up to you really about the interview.

[@ilitsa]

I might sound rude with this and its not my intent, but it's kind of sus that OP is ok spilling her side but against him giving his. Makes me wonder if something wont add up or is being misrepresented in OP's story... That said, I respect your choice, this was a wild ride of a story

[@0fluu0]

I can send you every dm ever. I care not. My story pans out. I worry for the safety of people watching avery own up to his mistakes. I worry theyll be victimized next. Ive seen it happen. He is currently stalking "Miranda" after he stalked me for weeks. That.. is why. Not because its sus. Because nobody is safe from this literal maniac. If that makes me look sus, i dont care. Small price to pay for the safety of other women. I want no one to go through what i went through.

[@dogfacedangel6291]

I agree w u OP as someone who has been the victim of stalking and seen close ones who have been lied and cheated on it rly doesn't matter what Avery says. I don't think she would tell a anonymous story with incredible detail to slander someone. At the same time gorl I hope you are healing from ur idealised reality of someone shattering many of us can relate to being that anxious attachment person in a relationship at one point what's important is how u move fwd. Stay safe 💙

[@inplane9970]

@@0fluu0 Honestly you may need to because people are already siding with Avery and they haven't even seen this man yet. They're supporting a hypothetical nice guy simply because he "respects people's wishes." Like damn the bar is buried 6ft deep nowadays.

[@ishirutaekakura308]

I feel like if there was any misrepresentation, Op would've said harsh things and really add more to make you hate him, but I did not get that feeling at all. If anything it felt like Op was honestly not wanting to be horrible but wanted to share her story, there's a good reason for not wanting for his to be shared. I don't even think it's about sharing his part but more than a way to try get closer to Op again, I don't exactly wish hell upon him, but you can't trust someone who literally a compulsive liar.

[@veambeam]

The guy is a manipulator and liar, what do you think he's going to do during the interview lol no way I'd give him a chance to explain himself

[@EnderiumTCG]

Dude should be allowed to give his side. OP wanted it out in the public but now she doesn't? That's a little weird, no? She gave up her "space" by making this story public.

[@CTN404]

I agree! Let’s give these guys their space. I wish both of them happiness and healing

[@cruximissa]

it's a right choice about you don't interview him because I think he'll use this chance to get close with OP.

[@Everdred]

So OP is allowed to tell her side of the story, and Avery is okay with it, but when Avery gets a chance to tell his side, OP says no? Girl you are about as biased as can be right now, i cant believe you!

[@crocomallow]

i think op needs to examine how she got into this situation in the first place, waiting 10 years, taking care of this man. Even if she thinks this interview and story were therapy, it clearly is not. She constantly allowed someone to push her boundaries. There was no threat, no anything... she could've left Avery throughout those years and never spoken to him again on discord but she continued to believe in this? How does a grown woman believe in something like that? he barely even gave any proof? and she decides to sell her horse and lets all her dreams go away for this weirdo WHO IS ONLINE BTW? and she's still TALKING TO HIM!!!

[@crocomallow]

this is not a matter of "LOVE" and ill do anything for "love" it's a matter of loving yourself enough to know you shouldnt have to put up with this shit

[@BenkaiDebussy]

I can sympathize with someone making these kind of mistakes. It's basically the relationship/love version of a gambling mindset - someone becomes so enamored with the possible ideal outcome, even if it's extremely unlikely, that they make big mistakes. The concerning thing is that, after the fact, the OP frames the situation as "I was manipulated" instead of "I made some really unwise decisions." Avery likely never would have ended up in her house if she hadn't pursued the idea so aggressively. Of course, Avery himself is even more at fault (since he still lied a lot, either directly or through omission), but it doesn't change the fact that this situation couldn't have happened without a lot of extremely dumb decisions on the part of the OP.

[@ninetailedfox579121]

On the other side, how badly was she stringing him along for him to keep on going after all those years? I know that there are simply some crazy people in this world, but more often than not when someone gets that obsessive neither side is entirely free of blame.

[@LinkIsMine]

I think this was a good message to send Pathra. I think both OP and Avery need to finally move on from that experience, no longer contact each other, and just wish each other the best moving forward. I can understand why you didn't want to share Avery's side and drag this on further when it was very clear how Avery felt about everything in the comments he left and I also didn't want to see Avery being bullied by people in the comments even more than he already has because of his mistakes, and I didn't want to see OP being dragged further as well. This video was a good call. 😌👍 Sending love to Pathra, OP, and Avery and wishing everyone the best~ ❤

[@cutecatsfunnyshorts]

A story needs 2 sides not just one... talk to beanie boy let the public get his side aswel and maybe he will explain the beanie

[@Punkadelic2112]

I disagree with everyone saying we should hear both sides in this case. This dude is known to be one of the biggest liars in the game. The fact that OP offered to have other witnesses of Avery's lies to speak instead says enough. Time to letthis go.

[@Punkadelic2112]

@@silchas I repeat, then, since it seems you missed the point: She offered to have other people speak up about the case. People that know him longer than her.

[@csrjjsmp]

@@silchasif Avery were a liar and wanted to correct the record he could say so. If he chose not to speak then either the story is true or he does not care to contest whatever parts may be false.

[@csrjjsmp]

@@silchas yes he chose to change his mind that is not the same as being forced not to speak. We can tell people whatever we want it’s up to them whether they listen

[@ninetailedfox579121]

​@@csrjjsmpJust because in this one instance it ended up being a mostly accurate story doesn't mean it always will. Making a habit of taking the OP at face value and not allowing the other person to speak their side will cause people to see that as an opportunity to slander others with no reprocussions.

[@PrayLuna]

Yea we should just move on from all this..

[@KaileyKittyx]

Lets pretend the story was bashing OP and not Avery. We know damn well that OP would be in the comments/discord demanding to have their side heard. They are already in the comments antagonizing everyone and telling us to basically shut up if we have an opinion on their story. If Avery was the one who sent in a story first and OP was the one being told by Avery they weren't allowed to speak how would OP feel? OP was looking for attention and they got it. Just not the attention they wanted because of their own poor behavior in the comment section.

[@xavier2698]

I just recently followed your channel, not hearing both side is kinda weird, like only one voice can be heard? I dont want to judge, but OP in that story also had red flags and the fact that Avery is so respectful, he should be able to be heard after being expose in discord like that, I think its sad that since he has a very bad image and all because of one side of a story, I could be wrong and yet just curious why both voices cant be heard.

[@pathra]

Avery won't do it also without OPs permission. He also wants to respect OP's wishes

[@xavier2698]

@@pathra Oh that makes sense, thank you for letting me know, I love the channel keep up the great works!

[@kelsors]

Pathra I think you made the right choice not doing a follow up interview with Avery. Although I would love the content, platforming him would only cause problems for OP and give him an opportunity to lie. He is still free to post his own video or write a twitlonger or whatever so its not like he doesn't get a voice or a chance to respond at all. Wishing the best for OP

[@DICEBOY22]

TAKE OFF THE BEANIE!!! WHATS UNDER THIER?!

[@valcristgallant]

Would've been cool to hear his side of the story so we can get the full picture. As they say... there are two sides of the story and the truth. Makes me wonder if there was something there that OP didn't want out there. We will never know and it will forever be a one-sided story.

[@morbadaso]

Extremely unfair stance to take because you just assumed that what OP said was correct. If OP had decided to go public with the story, it's only fair that Avery gets to put forward his views as well. You just assumed that what OP said was correct and truthful. What if OP was uncomfortable because she hasnt been fully honest? Very yikes...

[@IzzetNilson]

If it were up to me, I'd tell Avery to submit the story and if you ever get around to it then you'll get around to it. Just like everyone else.

[@pathra]

He most definitely can write in his own story, or write a google doc, or tweetlonger or make his own video. No one is stopping him from his own freedom of speech.

[@IzzetNilson]

@@pathra Exactly!

[@mimo0024]

@@pathra i wish more people understood this.

[@LilololXD]

Hey Pathra! Since ff14 has allowed na and eu to travel to ociana, couldnt it be possible to have a video/stream when you are there? Because i think you have viewers all over the world who would love to be there in person (ff14) during a story

[@kaileykill]

It's not fair for OP to have a voice and Avery to not have that same courtesy. OP is a cheater, vindictive, and has been nothing but rude in the comment section when anyone has a different opinion. Everyone involved in the drama story are replying to comments even days later which means they are constantly watching for new comments. I think OP should get therapy. They have obviously not grown from this experience and are using it to get back at "Avery". Sending videos to their dad is absolutely crazy. So what he lied to you for 10 years? You are gullible, naïve, and not ready for a relationship if you couldn't see the CLEAR red flags. Cheated on your irl boyfriend for someone you met online and then act surprised when you get burned? It's called KARMA. Please please PLEASE get professional help. This isn't healthy behavior.

[@dnukkes]

You’re sitting mighty high right now with this commentary. Life isn’t always black and white, and moral high ground when confronting a stranger isn’t a great stance.

[@zito3912]

You made kendrick lamar look like a 12yr old wannabe rapper, DAMN 😂 bar after bar i‘m your fan though

[@kaileykill]

@@dnukkes I also didn't put my whole drama story on the internet for the world to criticize. I can say however I feel with the information I was given.

[@inplane9970]

The way you just assumed OP entire life is not healthy. You're equally hateful and weird for calling this karma. Genuinely seek help girl.

[@inplane9970]

@@kaileykill No identities were exposed on the story though. The only ones who know "Avery" are the ones directly affected by his lies. His own family, his exes, his generous roommates and friends, OP and her parents, and whoever else. Exposing him of fraud and debauchery isn't "getting back." It's called due diligence. Also, karma? Really? Did Avery send you?

[@goth.bunny.]

CAN WE JUST KNOW WHATS UNDER THE BEANIE? THATS THE ONLY THING WE ARE CURIOUS ABOUT

[@Krankhafter]

honestly my theory of the beanie (after having my own unwashed beanie ex-boyfriend LOL) it that it was probably a security blanket kind of thing. I had an ex-boyfriend who did the same thing and it was something caused by severe anxiety/depression and the beanie made him feel safe. His head was normal underneath but like he had the same skin flakes because he would never wash the beanie and he slept in it because it made him feel safe. He showered and everything but when you're wearing a dirty thing on your head almost 24/7... yeah. I was young lol so I didn't really know how to approach it (also I met him online and similar to OP didn't know about the beanie until we met lmao and i was trying to be understanding but yeah it was gross 😫.)

[@Ascalonir]

Pathra this is your decision. I understand you dont want to upset OP but on the other hand i believe Avery deserves to be heard as well. I dont think its up to OP to decide or influence you on this matter.

[@ochicore]

No matter how bad a situation you were in with another person, you can always look back and see how you could have done things differently to make things a tiny bit better out of a crappy situation. So if you sound like a saint in your story with no wrongdoings, personally i think you are full of it

[@SparkLisA]

They didn't say they were a saint, though. They literally admitted to cheating on their IRL boyfriend

[@inplane9970]

@@SparkLisA And she apologized to the other exes of Avery, which she didn't need to because it was done without her knowledge. It's pretty clear people are rage-baiting for more drama at this point.

[@kaileykill]

@@inplane9970 Nobody is rage-baiting, we just think OP is full of it, as the comment above said.

[@KaileyKittyx]

Op is playing the victim card when anyone says anything other than "poor you, you victim". Definitely thinks she's a saint in all of this and is trying to silence us just like she did to Avery when he initially asked to be interviewed also.

[@inplane9970]

@@KaileyKittyx Avery stop liking your own comments.

[@LunaKazaLucia1992]

Not going to lie OP telling Avery she will be submitting a story then refusing to let anyone hear his side of things is honestly sus. Like I get it why give someone who has been known to lie a chance to lie more but all of it was just too perfect of timing. OP apparently didn't want any contact with this person but contacted them and they so happen to be watching the very day and reach out right after the interview? Too many things not adding up. I am sorry that OP dealt with this but you have to allow others to tell their side of things to so we can decide for ourselves who/what we wish to believe. Can't say your side then insist the person you reached out to doesn't.

[@pathra]

Avery won't do the interview without OPs permission. He also wants to respect OP's wishes as well

[@meowtheragdoll]

yeah avery needs ops permission to speak too i guess lol sounds like op is the real manipulator

[@Z-to-E]

This is no longer "ooo gossip with my girly 💅" , this is a full on traumatic life event in someone elses life.. As much as the story was wild and intense, i found myself feeling horrible after it all. I dont want to know more. This is a good call, thank you for being mature and reasonable about it

[@heliusi8935]

it's disappointing that we wont get the other half of the story

[@ねこ男の子]

Be mad at Avery for revoking his wish then? Lol. Can't be disappointed by Pathra when she's been very transparent.

[@KaileyKittyx]

@@ねこ男の子 He didn't revoke, OP told him he wasn't allowed to and that she wasn't comfortable with it after she sent in an essay about him. He is being a little b word and doing everything OP says which makes me rethink who the real manipulator is.

[@ninetailedfox579121]

​@@ねこ男の子If anything we should be mad at OP. Writing Avery's life story and then claiming that she's uncomfortable about letting him talk is textbook manipulation. Something tells me that she didn't care about whether or not he was uncomfortable when she sent in the story.

[@kroenyx]

AINT NO WAY

[@Lizard14]

I could be wrong, but I don't think the interviewing, even with the OP of the stories, can be healthy long-term. I personally wouldn't do them if I were in Pathra's position. As a viewer, I would rather just listen to the story and leave the other details, and also people's voices, to my imagination, not dwell on it too much and move on. Having new and more personal information coming in from interviews, specially from recent situations like this one...I don't know, I get the feeling that could eventually escalate badly, both for the people involved and for viewer's reaction.

[@pathra]

Yea it’s looking to be like that might be something that may happen in the future. The interviews get people too invested in a certain story which can have pros and cons of course

[@weikel2000]

I do agree with OP that a liar shouldn't get a platform, especially since he was able to lie so convincingly lie for 10 years. We don't know who he really is in game or IRL, and based on what was said between the story and the interview, they don't seem to have any in game friends who could connect the dots and figure out who Avery really is, so unless OP releases Avery's real identity to where it can actually affect his reputation, there's no need to hear his side. Like many others I am interested in hearing his side, just for the spectacle. But then at what does the back and forth stop? Shouldn't OP get a chance to respond should Avery make accusations? There becomes a huge risk of it spiraling out of control and members of the community taking sides and clashing. I've seen plenty of dramas play out in my guilds before and it can quickly get carried away and tear communities apart. It's best to end it before it has any chance of getting that far.

[@xavier2698]

How do you know if OP was telling the truth? And maybe I heard it wrong but he out himself, so pretty sure people starting to knows who is Avery, its a thin line for sure, I agree liars shouldn't have more chances to lies, but we dont know who is the real liar in that story and probably will never know, so both having a chance to tell their side is fair imo

[@weikel2000]

@@xavier2698 Unless Avery were to confirm everything OP said, then we wouldn't know who's lying anyway. It would just be a he said, she said and will likely end up with a good chunk of community arguing about who they believe. Not good for anybody. And as far as I can tell, Avery hasn't outed himself. He has just taken on the fake Avery name in order to to have a voice in this. Also, if he outs himself, that's on him...that's why I said unless OP divulges that information, OP and Pathra have done their part to ensure his actual identity isn't known. Avery can live his life without anyone else finding out who he really is, both in game and IRL. If he chooses to out himself, he won't by anymore deserving of a platform here than he does now. If he wants to be heard that bad, then he can find a platform somewhere else. But it really is best for Pathra and her channel to keep these dramas one sided. Like I said, things can very easily spiral out of control when people start taking sides. In the interest of keeping that from happening, this is the last I'll say about it. Feel free to respond, I welcome your final thoughts on the matter, these are mine.

[@inplane9970]

@@xavier2698 I guess we'll have to interview Jasper, Maddy, Miranda, and OP's parents too.

[@christianboustani8284]

​@@xavier2698What if Avery never existed and it was Lambo Lala all along?

[@xavier2698]

@@inplane9970 Or just move on and stop interviewing OPs, Imo its dangerous to stay neutral when we only hear one side of the story and should just stick to the story without interviewing anyone.

[@mizuwisver9141]

It's kind of sad that I'm looking forward to the blacklist update, but also something we definitely need. Edit: I think we should move on from this, better that way, I don't like seeing people turning against each other ☹

[@bridavenport7091]

i think that both sides should be able to tell their story. there is always two sides of the story and our stories are often biased in our favor. its kinda wrong to only allow one persons story to be told and not give the other party a chance.

[@pathra]

Avery won't do the interview without OPs permission. He also wants to respect OP's wishes as well

[@bridavenport7091]

@@pathra i still think it's weird for OP to put this guy on blast, tell him you're putting him on blast, and then deny it when he wants to tell his side of the story. he seems respectful so its just weird.

[@0fluu0]

Give this guy a chance and he walks away with your life.. master manipulator. My omky reason for it is ecause i currently am in touch with his other ex, who he now is stalking relentlessly. He will just middle his way into some sympathy somewhere. And then victimize the next. This guy is not some weirdo on the internet. It's a criminal, a literal criminal that stole money and lied to people, to some for 20 years straight. Nobody is safe from this.. so yeah. No

[@0fluu0]

I didn't put him on Blast. If I did that I would ve shared his full name. His address. His character. I simply did what others do: share drama anonymously with pathra.

[@kaileykill]

@@0fluu0 You literally sent the video Pathra made to Avery's father. That's putting him on blast. You need to give people the benefit of the doubt that we are not as gullible as you were when dealing with him. We can make our own conclusions about people just like we have with you not letting him have his own say.

[@boonetolbert9539]

I can understand the situation but it's hard to say you're a unbiased person when your actions are picking aside. OP trying not to allow the other person to talk is a huge red flag. On the other side, Avery should not be given a space to use you as a way to talk to OP. It's a tough call.

[@pathra]

I picked the side of what I believe is best for my channel and to stop any further drama between them. I am definitely getting disheartened that people can’t trust my decision of what I believe was right for me and my channel. A lot of people see red right now also and are only thinking that Avery wants an interview and don’t realize he decided not to do one anymore cause he knew it would traumatize op more and this would never end and become a back and forth ordeal.

[@boonetolbert9539]

@@pathra people will have their opinions but don't get too disheartened. We are here because of your content. While some won't like the outcome they will still be here because you have good stories and openness.

[@Wastingsometimehere]

This whole thing is kind of weird. Perhaps both need to accept this being over.

[@lightninggamereviews]

Somehow better than the godfather part 3 EDIT: I completely respect your decision, however not hearing both sides can give people the false perception of taking sides. I would hope all of your fans know that you arent like that. I am not you so I cant put mysef in your headspace. If it were me, I would do it but with a ton of disclaimers.

[@pathra]

Avery didn't want to do the interview unless they had OP's permission also.

[@cozyfloret]

@@pathra you should make a pinned comment stating this!

[@pathra]

Avery made a reply and it’s the pinned message of this video.

[@cathmorr89]

i couldn't agree more with your decision and reasoning

[@twistedshapeshifter]

Sounds like OP probably lied bout some stuff if she's so against him sharing his side lmao

[@meowtheragdoll]

this is what im thinking because they are fighting everyone in the comments about it and calling themselfs a victim

[@Bon-Gi]

Kind of sketch and unfair that the OP doesn't want you to interview Avery. There are always 2 sides to every story. One person get's to tell theirs but the other doesn't? Not fair IMO.

[@SemekiIzuio]

Glad you didnt. These type of liars like the attention...

[@meowtheragdoll]

op could be a liar too, we dont know either of them

[@xbostonboyiZfirex]

I was kinda hesitant to really say it but I keep getting your videos in my feed. I have met some very toxic and been hurt very badly on my 7+years on this game. Catfished, stalked, abused. you name it honestly I would love to share my stories with you as it might be peak content. And maybe I can write out these events and put it behind me. If there anyway to tell you these stories let me the best way to contact you. C: have a nice day!

[@pathra]

To submit a story you go into my discodd: discord.gg/pathra then read the disclaimer then send me your story in my dm once you’ve written it up

[@ennairaayanie9585]

In law, there is what we call due process. Parties are accorded the right to be heard. But this is waivable. How I see it, avery is waiving his right to be heard by depending this "right to be heard" to the permission of OP. Kudos to him for being respectful to OPs wishes. Even if I agree that he does have the right to be heard and shouldnt even have to ask for OP's pemission, it is him who personally does not want to speak without OPs permission. Whether or not OP gives her consent is a different story and issue altogether. The fact remains that Avery does not want to talk without OPs permission. And whatever OPs reason is for not allowing avery to speak and the reason for avery's decision to ask for OPs permission, only they know.

[@Infloun]

The OP is a narcissist. Doesn't want anything to do with "Avery" but tells him and acknowledges his being. It's not out of respect or anything for Avery that she told him she submitted this story. She still has feelings for him. They're both toxic for each other.

[@natdomo]

Ngl it was pretty weird that OP told Avery O.o like why??

[@ishirutaekakura308]

Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to interview Avery, while yes it would be interesting to hear what he has to say, it's more that.. this could be an attempt to make Op show interest in him again, like being hopeful of that or maybe seek some form of pity? I mean I am going rightt in with this mindset and rather be honest on what I think, especially the whole thing with him saying about hearing her voice on your video and using that phase he says, it kind of makes me feel uneasy, but I suppose others might not see it that way.. Which I do understand Op contacting Avery to let them know they was submitting the drama story and how it seems to give him hope because she contacted him, it's more that she didn't want to share that without saying anything about it to Avery. But I think Avery should really just focus on bettering himself, and accept that him and Op don't have a future.

[@0fluu0]

I love how you all are here for the sensation of it but please remember that while youre sitting in your comfy chair, seceral lives are very affected by Averys choices not just mine but his exes and friends too. I find it bizarre to see how easily people forget that. And as said in the interview, the first chance he gotafter swearing he wouldnt lie, was lying again. Avery is incapable of the truth. Whatever comes out of his mouth is a fabrication.. and if it doesnt seem like it then who knows in a decade or so it might. Real fun when that happens yeah

[@zito3912]

The first setence made me think you were asking for a 5$ donation for kids in africa 😂

[@goropanckechi3028]

yeah people seems to forget about collateral damages and focuses only on the 2 main characters of that story

[@meowtheragdoll]

you literally sent in the story to a youtube channel with 30k subscribers and then say several lives are being affected when you started all of this by sending in your story for attention

[@TheOneTrueOfficialLordGod]

If you didn't want this to happen, then I'm sorry but you really should not have brought this to the ffxiv equivalent of keemstar

[@baywee]

I mean OP also is not a trustworthy person. She literally emotionally cheated on her irl partner of how many years for a man she met on a random gacha game. What did OP expect to come out of that relationship? xD

[@molovesmusic567]

it’s very commendable that you ended this drama. it doesn’t need to be further drawn out, but i wish the best for everyone in this story!

[@flipsyder]

Personal opinion, I think due to the timing of everything and the two parties involved, leaving the story and closing the book as a proper choice. As much as we would’ve wanted to hear the other side if it caused that much disruption on one party vice the other then I personally wouldn’t want that on anyone. Maybe if this happened years from now where where history and time would’ve taken place then a possibility would be there. 10 years is a lot of time The hard part is that, to be truly neutral both sides would have had a story heard. I feel that only hearing one side of it tips a scale of bias, slightly cause we have more understanding on that side vs the other. And to that defense, the story was submitted by that party. As to most I hope that the audience enjoys the story as a story and as nothing else. Regardless of hearing more from one party or another.

[@GusPagan]

Well, Avery, Jasper and Miranda can upload their side of the story to youtube if they want to. I'm sure people wouldn't mind. 👀👀👀👀

[@lyoutheinugami7918]

smell something fishy

[@MetsuNoShin]

The only way I would want an Avery interview is if he gets on cam and unveils the beanie and gets literally grilled by you. Other than that, I think it’s unhealthy to feed into avery’s attention seeking. He obviously has issues.

[@yalo3162]

I mean I would say both parties are allowed to tell their side because of “what if the first one lied?”, but if you have verified proof, and if the second party isn’t saying “it’s a lie, please let me tell my side.” then I guess it doesn’t matter.

[@whimsyweasel]

I just want to know what's under the beanie. Text response is enough.

[@xxlosomxxlo3603]

Im here for all of this..

[@dains6623]

who knew this would become a trilogy lol

[@airynod]

On the highest point of moral high ground, I think it is unfair to not let Avery to speak out. From a bystander perspective, since we aren't there, there is a chance that what we heard is different from what happened. Not saying that as being sceptical about OP. That being said, if OP portrayed Avery somehow accurately, I don't think Avery speaking out is a good thing for him. The result will only be one person being hurt, or both people being hurt. Hope everyone involves can have a closure.

[@pathra]

Avery won't do the interview without OPs permission. He also wants to respect OP's wishes as well

[@airynod]

@@pathra No...I am not asking for it or trying to push for it. I am just saying that out of the sense of being "fair". We are just listener, not playing judges. Sure it is up to them to decide if they want to share or not.

[@hakaiuchiha4515]

Its weird that I can kinda smell the beanie from the UK

[@yxiin5711]

Think OP and Pathra made the right decision to not interview Avery. The process of an interview was iirc Pathra asking story senders meanwhile Avery presented himself to have a say/want an interview.

[@MeowMeowington]

I DID NOT EXPECT A TRILOGY

[@AA-ly5pu]

You've done the right thing by not covering this any further. Out of all your drama stories, this one had the worst outcomes for the people involved. It's a very personal series of events that honestly goes beyond some funny online drama. It doesn't surprise me that Avery wants to be known and wants an interview as people like that typically crave attention, be it good or bad. Intervierwing OP's friends is also a horrible idea as it's just dogpiling at that point and has nothing to do with FFXIV. At that point it's just personal grievances that should be kept private/offline.

[@ninetailedfox579121]

A bit late for this as I just found this channel, but I would just like to point out that only offering one side a chance to speak is a _really_ dangerous precedent. Not giving platform to a liar is not possible, as without reciepts there is no way to know which side is the lying side. It is really easy to make stuff up in order to slander someone, and not giving them a way to defend themselves if they so choose is really not a good thing to do.

[@Eliyanyx]

Bro was nice in your discord but wasnt nice in your youtube chat

[@saralimalourenco]

it's not so much about curiosity or good content but a basic fair act to allow both parts to tell their side of the story. Honestly I'm pretty disappointed. I don't think I feel comfortable watching more of your content if only the part that is the fastest to reach you is allowed to share their story. Sems pretty unfair and unethical imo.

[@irogt]

The idea of people wanting an interview with Avery reminds me of the people who were trying to find the Baby reindeer stalker. People are messy b**ches always looking for spilled tea, but they forget that they aren't owed any type of closure when it's another person's life. I'm glad you didn't do the interview.

[@irogt]

@@pathra Thank you. While I understand you're not interviewing him, it's also great that you're not trying to hide anything. The transparency is very very admirable.

[@LottiDottiGames]

Nah, that’s kinda weird to me. OP loses some credibility by denying the other person to tell their side of things. Can’t just play victim and then leave it at that, cause what if you’re lying too?? People continue to baffle me 😅

[@teddypixels441]

I definitely think it's a good idea to close this chapter of story time and move on. Nothing good for anyone involved- you, OP, Avery, even the chat- will come from continuing down that rabbit hole. Best of luck to everybody, and I hope y'all have a good week 👍

[@sleepiestofall]

The trilogy I never knew I needed

[@partyinn3040]

good call Pathra. Avery is only going to try and do damage control and likely open up another cans of worms. Besides really needs to move on.

[@inplane9970]

This. He's going to lie and people are going to eat it up because they want to believe in contrary information. They want more drama to feed on and play devil's advocate, even if it's in favour of a literal con artist and criminal. The most we should ask for is receipts, but that's still going really far into legal territory. I doubt people will believe in OP then since so much evidence has confirmed Avery is a liar.

[@delvedarkstar7846]

Leave the past in the past, nobody is there anymore.

[@rjhick1]

I honestly have no idea wtf is going on with this story lol

[@Navilovesmuffins]

I'm glad this video came out! I was curious about Avery's side of the story

[@Navilovesmuffins]

@@pathra oh thank you for letting me know! 💙