The Aftermath of Talking to Graham Hancock on Joe Rogan: A Reply to the Haters

A reply to the bad faith harassment campaign against me orchestrated by Dan Richards (DedunkingPast) and promoted by Graham Hancock after my appearance on Joe Rogan. I will be limiting comments on this one to reduce trolling and harassment. #RealArchaeology is better than this aggressive pseudoarchaeology
Chapters
1:30 Graham's response to the debate and his lack of evidence
5:23 Graham wanted the debate
6:45 Did I con Joe Rogan and Graham Hancock?
8:46 Dan Richards (DedunkingPast) and his harassment of archaeologists
12:20 His fans get in touch with my employer to get me fired
13:17 Dan is knowingly slandering me. Falsely accusing me of violating the law
19:03 Ice cores and metallurgy
26:50 Dan is a dishonest KZbinr, not an archaeologist
28:56 Address to Graham Hancock
35:44 Graham Hancock's former fans
Thanks to Jonida Martini for video editing and graphic design. Thanks to Milo Rossi and Dan Fallu for useful feedback on this video. Thanks to Hüseyin Çınar Öztürk for allowing us to use his music, Birthday song for a friend: / birthday-song-for-a-fr... .
Keywords: Graham Hancock, Joe Rogan Experience, Archaeology, Pseudoarchaeology, Anti-intellectualism, ice cores, Dan Richards, Dedunker, DedunkingPast

[@FlintDibble]

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[@julianshepherd2038]

Graham's Doors to Perception need rehanging.

[@doogmann]

why do you need money , are you to dumb to live of taxes? , dont forget , the ones who made racetheory and killed the jews apparently in the 20tiest century where scientists too ?

[@wombat5274]

​@@Maputi_na_Kalabaw What shady stuff have you seen from Flint?

[@pepepepito623]

This is getting old.(ah!)go and dig a hole ,scratch a rock ...

[@timmysvensson4902]

Part around 3:50 where Grahamn argues about how he is being taken out of context and wasnt talking about 1900s industrial revolution for his lost ancient civilisation.. uh didnt he write the Mars Mysteries hinting his "visitors and spreaders of cultures" were from Mars? Havent read the book, just summaries - anyone correct me if its wrong

[@miniminuteman773]

Great video Flint. Your performance on the debate was outstanding and I was happy to see it remain civil (mostly) and cover a lot of great topics and info that you were well prepared and versed on. Even Joe did a pretty damn good job moderating in my opinion considering Graham is a long time friend. Needless to say I was disappointed to see what was a long overdue, largely respectful and incredibly thorough debate between these spaces devolve into such a shitshow afterwards. It was shocking and reprehensible to see some of the accusations (not to mention literal lies) that were slung at you afterwards. Good on you for making this video, clearing up the accusations and fighting to keep this thing on the rails. I tip my Indiana Jones hat to you.

[@FlintDibble]

My hat is tipped right back at ya!

[@LoreTunderin]

@@miniminuteman773 a wild Milo appears! Can't wait for more Dark Routes 😍

[@Sambraz316]

@miniminuteman773 omg! I found your videos rights after the debate. Between Flint and the Milos, I can say that my brain has fully opened.

[@arak5502]

​@@FlintDibble Hi, great video. Will you also make a video on Bright insight? Because he has also lied about you and archeologists. His lies about Gobekli Tepe are also really bad.

[@RorchaksRevenge]

I know I'm among "mainstream archaeology" when milo and flint are here. Shame SHAME lol

[@quinn0517]

"That multiple-hour documentary I produced with Netflix took me out of context." 😂

[@FlintDibble]

*spits milk*

[@raindeer9787]

Exactly 😂 "They took me out of context because I didn't properly clarify what I meant by not adding in the *needed context* in my own scripted show" 🙄🙄🙄 They didn't take him out of context, he didn't provide it! 😮‍💨

[@brookejon3695]

Graham Hancock: "Me took me out of context!"

[@blukeish]

WHICH MY SON COMISSIONED

[@AncientCreature-i2o]

​@@FlintDibbleI recently discovered your channel and work. First I would like to thank you for sharing your knowledge. Second, I believe you bested your opponent on the JRE podcast with vigor and skill. You are clearly the more learned man, and you believe in letting evidence and facts determine your perspectives. Well done, indeed.

[@celsus7979]

" if only archeologists looked for evidence of chanting" -Graham Hancock

[@FlintDibble]

@@celsus7979 ommmmm

[@res_gestae]

@@FlintDibble i think graham would like Euripides' Bacchae!

[@toweypat]

Hahaha, what a funny joke, but surely Mr Hancock doesn't think ancient peoples made stone monuments with chanting--oh. Oh.

[@matthewsmolinsky5605]

@@toweypat I mean, you can't prove they DIDN'T chant those blocks into place. Or, you know, make the stone melt and then just form it like clay.

[@kryptonianguest1903]

​If they could do that, what destroyed their civilization? And is their bane still out there? 👻👽​ @@matthewsmolinsky5605

[@SubtleSalmon]

While there is currently no evidence of Dan being a good faith actor, I’m sure if we just looked harder along the coast line or in the Sahara we’d find some eventually

[@FlintDibble]

Hah!!!!

[@someone-w9n]

Well, the whole thing is that we didn't find anything to prove his point. He's just living in his own fantasy story. It's like saying aliens surely exist because we didn't check the whole universe, well, they might not exist as well, we might be alone. Ever think of that. Similarly, we might find nothing, or find evidence for something completely different. And so on.

[@Anthro006]

Absolute masterful response!

[@Jebediah1999]

Why don't they pony up the money for their own field expeditions if they really think the evidence is there. My god Joe Rogan has the money. Maybe they could get it off him. They can go to Antarctica.

[@nerveagent1905]

​@@AgentM3tallionwhich one?

[@Big_ten]

My conspiracy theory is that they thought you’d be an easy win for Hancock. They saw the hat, said “this guy seems goofy, should be easy”, and then you showed up and just absolutely dogwalked Hancock. Essentially, old school anti-nerd discrimination was their downfall.

[@FlintDibble]

@@Big_ten hahaha wouldn't be surprised either

[@AsusSusu-o3x]

Yeah, it's super annoying to see how Rogan kinda shows what a dick he is, especially when it comes to actual science stuff.

[@kevinmcdonald6560]

often the advantage conspiracists have over academics is that they can be more experienced as public speakers and know how to cater to the biases of untrained audiences ...my guess is that hancock thought his usual buzzwords and joe rogan's anti-establishment biases gave him an easy dunk...and it all gloriously backfired

[@44theshadow49]

The only profession you can still look cool with a hat in is archeology ngl

[@slmott399]

​@@AsusSusu-o3x you need only go back and listen to how Joe treated the primatologist Alison Elgart when she called into the Opie & Anthony show (to try to correct his misinformation) to see how he truly feels about academics challenging his narrative. He was vicious, cruel and completely dismissive of her expertise and experience.

[@karlarden6260]

Here via Miniminuteman. Good grief, it’s so plain to see who is sincere and who is not. Keep it up, Flint.

[@J1mmy_Creat3s]

same!!

[@colexxiii]

he supports the destruction of gobekli tepe i wouldn’t call that sincere. he’s a WEF puppet

[@hanzzel6086]

Ditto!

[@stargazer1998]

Hola!

[@GoldenHarpy]

Present!!

[@zr1f903]

Dibble has absolutely shat on Hancock and that other weirdo 😂

[@FlintDibble]

@@zr1f903 hell yea

[@LoreTunderin]

Dan Richards knowingly leaving up false information with the intent of slandering you is leaving him open for a lawsuit.

[@louisjov]

When the dude is accusing him of stuff that could actually get him fired also, that's a legitimate basis for a slander lawsuit

[@MossyMozart]

@LoreTunderin - Can Dr Dibble at least get a cease and desist order to get Richards from ever talking about him again?

[@BlockDefender]

That's not how it works at all; you can't make anyone retract anything, nor sue if they thought it was true at the time. Otherwise Flint would have retracted the plethora of racism accusations he's casually thrown around-- the same ones he clearly doesn't believe in enough to defend on Joe Rogan, downplaying his legacy of slander instead of owning up to it because he knows it's shameful. Besides, Dan has said that he was wrong about some aspects of what he said which literally is a sufficient retraction by all media standards.

[@LoreTunderin]

@@BlockDefender you realize you're just perpetuating it and making it worse, right? When Dan admitted ON VIDEO that he was leaving up videos with claims he knew to be wrong, for the express purpose of showing Flint "what it feels like" to have bad info about you out there, it's an admission of slander and proves actual malice.

[@LoreTunderin]

@@BlockDefender admitting you're wrong isn't a retraction, you have to also make a reasonable effort to remove the information you know is false so it doesn't cause further damages. You may be confusing it with a newspaper that obviously can't recall previous issues that were already distributed, so the best they can do is to print a retraction that clarifies what they got wrong. When websites and content creators are found guilty of libel however, they need to remove the offending media / article / post if it's within their power to do so, as there's no guarantee any future visitor of that page will see the 'correction' that was published later. To find someone guilty of slanderous libel, you need to prove they knew what they were saying was false, and that it was said with actual malice, and that it caused damages in some way. Dan literally admitted to all of these in the clips taken from his on channel: he admitted he knew the info was false and that he was leaving it up with the intent of harming Flint's reputation by 'showing him' how it feels to have false information spread about him. If I were Dan's lawyer I'd be smashing my head on the table right now.

[@Fade2GrayOG]

Conspiracy Theorists: Why don't 'experts' ever engage with us? Are the cowards? Expert: Engages in conversation Conspiracy Theorists: *RUIN HIM!*

[@FlintDibble]

💯

[@HeatherWP]

I’m of the opinion that genuine archeologists have spent too much time engaging with these people. I don’t know that it’s necessary. I say that the best way to dispute their claims is to keep putting out genuine archaeological findings and information. I believe that alone would disprove, discredit and discourage these people. Archaeologists can simply make videos showing the facts that go against their claims.

[@robcanisto8635]

YUP

[@kcbarbo78]

⁠@@HeatherWPunfortunately, these bad actors have a substantial audience and do major damage. You have someone like Rogan with his massive platform, spreading misinformation to millions of listeners. You have Hancock peddling books that become bestsellers. You have Netflix offering this nonsense to millions of subscribers. We’ve sadly seen the consequences of science illiteracy in recent years, so the temptation to respond is understandable.

[@volfan911]

@@HeatherWPagree completely.

[@ediik96]

Hancock wanted this debate so bad and at the end of it he was regretting it. He just shut down argumentation, cross his arms and childishly insist we have to dig deeper for some evidence.

[@FlintDibble]

@ediik96 yup, that matches some of my thoughts

[@glenwarrengeology]

@@ediik96 Thats why you don't debate with stupid people, they always win, then shit on the table.

[@spigwrigs9268]

He was really bad during this debate, he didn't bring up any good points and didn't really have any good rebuttals. It seemed to me that the whole racist thing gurt him a lot and that brought up all the years of hate that had grown because of all the other accusations and name calling, it was like he didnt go for a discussion, he went to confront dibble and it clouded his thinking.

[@ediik96]

​@@glenwarrengeologyunderrated subcomment 😅

[@ZerglingLover]

@@glenwarrengeologyI actually think that this debate was incredible. It convinced thousands of Rogan’s followers that they were wrong, which is an incredibly difficult thing to do. Sure, Hancock himself was a petty little baby at the end of it all, but the debate itself was very positive for real archeology.

[@NORTH02]

Been waiting for your response to these two🎉

[@FlintDibble]

oh yeah. been too long coming

[@iluvtacos1231]

"I am an alternate historian. I happily call myself a psuedo archeologist." Welp, at least Dan owns his lack of intelligence.

[@FlintDibble]

Exactly

[@compwiz101]

Funny, most alt historians stick to writing "what-if" novels instead of attacking archaeologists for disagreeing with their clever theory on the Confederate States of America using dinosaurs as their means of locomotion

[@The_Jiant]

​@compwiz101 it's a pretty common tactic, after all. Someone could probably do a super-cut of Ben Shapiro saying "let's say..." followed by a truckload of bullshit at a rapid enough way to trick people into forgetting all of it is nonsense he made up.

[@garymaidman625]

Being a pseudo archaeologist or pseudo academic of any kind doesn't point to lack of intelligence per se. Actual academics can become pseudo academics. It's all about the methodology or lack thereof.

[@mnomadvfx]

@@garymaidman625 From what I have seen since becoming aware of it more often than not becoming as pseudoscientist is more about grift than methodology. The success of Hancock shows that it's a much easier way to make money than breaking your back breathing in dust bending over an excavation trench for hours a day. IMHO that's exactly why Hancock himself got into it after learning about Eric von Danicken's own success decades earlier. Chariots of the Gods was even mentioned in John Carpenter's sci fi horror film The Thing in the 80s.

[@toweypat]

Mr. Hancock can say "I was talking about advanced map-making, such as computing longitude, not technology." But of course, our civilization first accurately computed longitude with a series of extremely sophisticated timepieces, constructed with quite accomplished levels of technology (metallurgy, chemistry, etc.).

[@compwiz101]

Clearly he meant an advanced 19th century level of chanting to make maps appear

[@mnomadvfx]

The sentence isn't even correct anyway. Map making IS a technology. He tries to hand wave stuff we take for granted as not being technology so that he can sell tech that doesn't exist as the indicators of this magical non existent civilisation.

[@LesterBrunt]

Man that whole "you guys had ancestral bones at university" is so dishonest. That is his way of getting 'back' at you for daring to call some of Hancock's sources racist.

[@FlintDibble]

yup... ridiculously transparent lie

[@alpacapunch9238]

Yeah that whole argument. It was slimy how jre didn't allow dibble to explain his point. Stonehenge isn't debated, Rome isn't debated. But heaven forbid anyone in Africa or mesopotamia did anything without intervention.

[@franciasii2435]

Egyptians were (probably) black so they had help from aliens. Mesoamericans are kind of tan, so they had help (from aliens) Mesopotamians are getting there. Did a lot of it themselves, but still lacking "the skills", and "brainpower" Now... Stonehenge..? Well, the inhabitants of British isles were white, so they definitely had the know-how. 0% chance of aliens. "Why is everyone saying my theories are racially charged??" - the schmuck who believes all that

[@AlbatrossRevenue]

Look, I'm trying to hear both sides of all this. I really don't like how Dan carries himself in these arguments and the BS he says sometimes. But "daring to call Graham's sources racist"? Ok. What do you think of smoking and chewing tobacco? Bad for your health? You know, the nazis started that whole movement. It was part of their supremacist agenda. Oh I'm not calling you a nazi if you believe that. I'm just pointing out it was promulgated by nazi ideology. If you support it, you're supporting what was a nazi movement. But I'm not calling you a nazi. Don't take me out of context. That's absolutely ridiculous. There's no reason to bring up the nazis. The fact that the anti-smoking movement started with them is irrelevant to the facts of the arguments against smoking. Separating facts from individuals is crucial to having honest, good faith debate. Flint trying to weasel out of it with "well, I never (directly) called him a white supremacist" is as much BS as the stuff Dan has said. Good on Joe for not letting him off easy.

[@captainspalding6383]

Why are people (you) still talking about this ? You missed the boat... the Hancock Hating is old... been done... it's over... that is unless you got nothing else to talk about

[@kiaraneves8852]

Came from Milo's post on YT community. Thank you for all you've been doing in the interest of good science and education! Subbed and began watching your videos!

[@FlintDibble]

💯 rock on

[@Mark-jy6xd]

Follow the money. Handcock makes a living from selling books that fund his tourist adventures. The more controversial and fantastical claims he has, the potential for higher book sales. He would have vanished into obscurity if it weren't for his 10 appearances on JRE. Keep your chin up Flint and ignore the hate. You did awesome work on the podcast.

[@bucklberryreturns]

"Follow the money". Careful now, that's sounds like conspiracy theory talk!

[@Eye_of_Horus]

@@bucklberryreturnsconspiracies drive history. Kind of a mistake to equate all conspiracies with automatic falsehoods. I don’t even think conspiracy theorist is the right name for these people, I’ve seen them called alt history sellers, and I think that fits better.

[@bucklberryreturns]

@@Eye_of_Horus I wasn't equating Hancock and his like with conspiracy theorists exactly, simply highlighting that the phrase "follow the money" is key to many whacko ideas pushing global domination by shady organisations, peddled by conspiracy theorists. The idea in those circles that "So many times we've been proved right!" is akin to a stopped clock. It's much, much more often you're correct calling it bollocks than not. As such, I mostly default wild claims to falsehood, and accept willingly when I am incorrect. As for correct naming schemes, I'll stick to conspiracy theorists when it fits (which it can when saying "academics are hiding....etc"). Alt history sellers I also dislike for this particular field, as there isn't an alternative history. There's fact and fiction. Historical fantasy would be much more fitting.

[@bucklberryreturns]

@@Eye_of_Horus Replied. Disappeared. Ugh. I was speaking specifically about that term, not the broader context. It is a common phrase used by such folk, much like "do your own research". I wouldn't call them alternative either tbh, there's correct and incorrect. Alternative facts is new age spin. Maybe historical fantasy would be better? Merlin, Atlantis etc. Fantasy until any evidence is provided besides stories. As for "conspiracies drive history", what does that even mean? I never mentioned anything about automatic falsehoods.

[@Eye_of_Horus]

@@bucklberryreturns yeah sorry I just assume when people use those terms these days as sort of an insult it implies that conspiracies never happen. We know from history that conspiracies are a constant. On the micro and the macro scale. That’s what I meant from the drive history. Usually it’s not so clear when your in the time period, but years later historians piece things together. I agree they are not alternative, there’s literally no truth to their ideas. Though people know what you mean when you say it. Be great if there was a better description. I forget his name but the guy from world of antiquity has started calling them alt history sellers or peddlers. I thought that’s kind of clever, because they are selling you the lie. It’s their job.

[@Spamlett]

You smoked Hancock so hard that you put the anti-academy industry in retreat

[@FlintDibble]

100%

[@matthewsmolinsky5605]

like a sausage

[@zalaiparaszt]

I don’t think so… If you still have a functional brain… Both side have holes on their side of the story… I would be more happy if 2 real scientists sitting together to discuss this…

[@chaboi685]

​@@zalaiparasztDibble literally has a PHD in archeological sciences. It's just that every other qualified scientist doesn't hold the same views as Hancock. You will never have 2 different "Scientists" debate this. Just a scientist and a conspiracy theorist or if you prefer Hancock's term "Pseudo archeologist"

[@MorganNull-uj6uu]

@@zalaiparaszt2 scientists aren’t debating this because they’re smart enough to know it’s stupid

[@fightshrub8872]

John Hoopes is an absolute sweetheart. He was super helpful when I was doing an assignment on psuedo-archeology and myths.

[@raindeer9787]

No wonder that guy hates him so much 😂 Good for John!!

[@gnostic268]

He has been very rude to Native people on social media and at a speech he gave at he Museum of the American Indian which is available on KZbin. I and several other Native people were policed by him where if we disagreed, he immediately blocked us. It's ridiculous to study Indigenous people in North, Central and South America and then pull the Eurocentric superior brain b.s.

[@mnomadvfx]

He's great on Facebook too, had a few back and forth comments with him on that FB group he runs.

[@Bbill9908]

I appreciate that MiniMinuteman pointed me in this direction. I thoroughly enjoyed this and look forward to delving through your other videos. Thanks to you both!

[@Romanplaystation]

Same here. Stopped watching Rogan years ago, but this was well worth dropping back in for. Big up, Milo, for the heads up.

[@elizabethstuart8401]

Even if you were a celebrity this thing about finding ways to insult you for sharing knowledge would still be unreasonable harassment.

[@FlintDibble]

@@elizabethstuart8401 100%

[@benjamin2629]

I hadnt heard about you before Stefan Milo mentioned your debate, but you have some great content that I now enjoy watching.

[@FlintDibble]

@@benjamin2629 thanks!

[@Stelios1fan]

I have to say that you are being far more polite than I could ever be in your shoes. My responses would be chock full with every swear word in existence.

[@FlintDibble]

@@Stelios1fan hell yea

[@sampagano205]

@@Stelios1fan mine probably would have ended in me saying I'd see Dan in court.

[@Thom4ES]

Cursing is more flexible than swear words..." may your dog bone turn to lime green jello !"

[@iluvtacos1231]

"You would fail my classes if you took them" That may be the harshest thing you said this whole video 😂

[@FlintDibble]

Honest tho

[@haroldgrey134]

I'm really disappointed with Joe after your episode. He doubled down on professing his belief in the Hancock theory in later episodes. I wish he'd have you on by yourself to talk real science and real archaeology. He's had other scientists on, but when it comes to archaeology, despite all the facts & fantastic work you did passionately advocating for real archaeology, Joe just "wants to believe," like Mulder in the X-Files, in the mysterious. It scratches that itch. 😂

[@howard385]

Joe seems like a good guy but he is easily swayed by whichever "academic" he is interviewing at any particular moment. Graham Hancock is on his show all the time so that is who he believes.

[@TheLotusManFILMs.]

@@howard385 Joe seems like a good guy who is easily swayed by 100's of millions of dollars... he's a grifter.

[@computerman84]

Rogan is tool, in short all he cares about is money that he makes from his channell.

[@wombat5274]

Joe talk real science. Lol!

[@codymoon7552]

​@@howard385 joe is like a 13th century Mongolian war lord who brings in "wise men" from affar to explain the universe.

[@Sambraz316]

I LOVE FLINT DIBBLE. I WOULD STILL BELIEVE GRAHAMS BULLCRAP IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU!

[@FlintDibble]

hah thanks Sam!

[@Sambraz316]

@FlintDibble No, thank you seriously. I was fully down the rabbit hole, and you convinced me without being arrogant or rude or dismissive like Graham. I hope for nothing but great things in the future for you. Thank you!

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

@@Sambraz316 Welcome to "the light" Sam...I've been confronting these "numb-nuts" for decades now. it has been gratifying to witness figures such as Dr. Dibble now engaging with numerous ultracrepidarians in a timely manner. The internet has facilitated this interaction, although it has also regrettably allowed their deceptive practices to proliferate rapidly, making it difficult for many to address the issue effectively.

[@danb239]

​@@Sambraz316genuinely curious what other than the lack of domesticated seeds convinced you? I think Graham did poorly in the debate and is too old to stay on point and articulate his arguments. Graham also acted pretty immaturely at times. I feel like he took out his frustrations of his past experiences with archeologists on Flint.

[@Sambraz316]

@danb239 I think the Sahara desert debate from Graham started my doubt. Putting the burden of proof onto the Archeologists for some reason. Then, Graham flat out, admitting there was no physical evidence. Then, when Flint pointed out the amount of sunken ships that had been found and how well they stay preserved and not a single ship provided a speck of evidence to Grahams theory of his "advance civilization" who traversed globally. That planted a lot of little seeds of doubt, and that's when I started looking into it further.

[@ElevatedThoughtsPod]

Awesome job, Flint. It’s terrible dealing with coordinated attacks from online hordes. You always come with all the receipts, citations, and spend a ton of time embedding it right into your videos!! Keep this up brother - you are making a serious impact.

[@FlintDibble]

@@ElevatedThoughtsPod thanks!

[@smacksavemarthaassociation5092]

“I was conned into thinking realistically by actual evidence! It’s not fair!” Man I hate it when that happens. In all seriousness amazing job. It’s one thing to argue with someone and another entirely to actually change their position, even if it’s just a little. Huge respect to you for doing that with someone as influential as Graham Hancock and spreading some real science.

[@louisjov]

First time I'm this early! Thanks for your hard work Flint. The respectful debunking tone you had on Joe Rogan was refreshing

[@FlintDibble]

thanks Louis!

[@yo_mama6414]

This DeDunking Dan Richards guy drives me googledybunkers

[@MorganNull-uj6uu]

I’m straight googledybunkers

[@Thom4ES]

Hihi .. ( is' googlydybonkers ' good or bad ? )

[@yo_mama6414]

@@Thom4ES I’m not so sure myself, nor is most of Milo Rossi’s viewers, or even Filip Zeiba himself

[@smitinathan]

I am so sorry to hear about the harassment you have endured. Thank you for your honesty and transparency about your post-Joe Rogan experience.

[@FlintDibble]

@@smitinathan thanks Smiti!

[@UnassimilatedRG]

It's insane what you've had to deal with simply for sharing your expertise with people who say they want the truth. As an ex Hancock fan, I just want to say thank you for keeping on putting real archaeology out there for us in an understanable way!

[@FlintDibble]

@@UnassimilatedRG thanks RG!

[@LeSingeDeMars]

Don't waste too much energy interacting with this dude. Your work is far more important than him. I hope Graham Hancock is going to do the right thing.

[@samuelalvarez_art]

I find Dan's approach so frustrating. Because he really does throw out petty insults and rage bate. It reminds me of when I was a child and my brother would tease and pick on me until I snapped. At which point I would be told off for retaliating. In the same way as a brother, he knows what will make you snap, what will frustrate you and uses that to their advantage. I subscribed to Dan's channel early on, and watched many of his videos, at a time when he was less opinionated, however as of late I have been unable to watch his content due to the pure toxicity that emanates from them. He pretends to be balanced, and based in pure logic. But he is immensely biased.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Dan is delusional and unhinged. He knows he's a closet Hancock apologist but he's desperately trying to play the role of honest supporter of science.

[@sailormatlac9114]

Your discussion about the old grains on JRE was probably the most productive part of your participation in that discussion. Graham couldn't play on that field and Joe was genuinely fascinated by was you brought to the table. In recent months, I've seen several YTubers who call themselves "independant" researchers citing you and your studies in a positive light and giving them a wider platform. These middle of the road people generally reach to a crowd that overlap with Graham's audience... which means that fascinating recent information do interest common people. From my experience, that crowd is interested in "complicated" aspect of ancient history. The generic, superficial and overbaked official documentaries doesn't cut it for them, but when it goes deeper, they are much more involved. As KZbin proved many times, there is a space for razor sharp documentaries focussing on supposedly "niche" subjects. So continue to spread your works and knowledge in a positive way!

[@BlockDefender]

Except for when Flint literally lied and said it takes thousands of years for plants to revert. Thank god people like Dan fact check claims like this so that people like you aren't easily impressed by a confident tone.

[@GoodieWhiteHat]

@@BlockDefenderhe obviously never owned a variegated pot plant in his life.

[@ryann6067]

@@BlockDefenderhave you made that effort to “fact check” the claims you keep repeating in comments? It may be quite a helpful learning exercise for you 🧐

[@mrwelshmun]

I noticed that Graham has been quiet. I also noticed that he hasn't reappeared on Joe Rogan. It doesn't matter that he has started to retract his statements. Because he got what he needed out of the experience. Money. He's always said that he's not an archaeologist. He's a journalist. A journalists business is to sell stories. And he's done that.

[@Frank-wh8cm]

Not sure. He is also a believer. I'm certain there are some things that bug him right now.

[@mnomadvfx]

@@Frank-wh8cm "Not sure. He is also a believer" I don't think so. I think he's just a very talented grifter. You might say that he missed his calling as a method actor.

[@espem88]

Here from Milo Rossi's community post about you and the debate. 👋🏼

[@FlintDibble]

Welcome!

[@espem88]

​@@FlintDibbleparakalo, glad to be here

[@johnmilton7851]

It’s a shame that it comes to this but, I guess that’s the world we live in. Excellent response!

[@FlintDibble]

Thanks!

[@youtubersdigest]

I’m here from Miniminuteman’s community post. Glad to see others pushing against pseudo archaeology and misinformation like milo does. Misinformation is quite literally a top 10 biggest issue in today’s society

[@Hitchpster]

"Ice-core specialist told me something else on zoom" is the new "I have a girlfriend but she goes to another school"

[@michaelrosenfeld3941]

Also, the absolute gall of a self-proclaimed "Pseudo-Archaeologist" to claim that you weren't being fair in a fucking debate is just parody. Keep up the good work, thank you for entertaining me for these 37 minutes.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

It's pathetic how they don't even recognize the contradiction in their own observations. I've seen Flint mocked for looking uncomfortable and awkward, but at the same time he's supposed to be manipulating and sly? He's manipulating Rogan in a podcast? And he's confusing Hancock on his own 30 year projects?

[@TheBurdenOfHope]

Many moons ago I “oohed and ahed” at Hancock’s whimsical theories. I’ve always been a history enthusiast so I was immediately struck by his claims. I’m SO glad I found people like you, Milo, Stefan Milo, Antiquity, prof Dave ❤❤

[@FlintDibble]

💯

[@garymaidman625]

These guys are fighting the good fight.

[@ArchaeologyTube]

Flint, I told you I would watch footage of Dan because you are a friend who I care about. But I want you to know I am sacrificing. I am in pain.

[@FlintDibble]

@@ArchaeologyTube I'm sorry for your loss

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Dan's interactions in the comments with @potholer54 were painful and revealing. I think Peter knows that replying to Dan is a waste of time.

[@lady_draguliana784]

keep up the good fight against pseudoscience and disinformation!

[@FlintDibble]

I plan to!

[@lady_draguliana784]

@@FlintDibble Oh, and if, hypothetically, you were let go from your job b/c of it, that's "actual harm" in many jurisdictions! 👍

[@robswright68]

I wonder if Graham will ever see this. He probably has a young assistant like Holly Lasko Skinner handling his social media accounts.

[@everythingomnia5843]

I want Flint Dibble back on Rogan. Thanks Dibble for producing content immediately after and sticking with it, please continue to provide content your camera and mic quality etc. has improved ten fold already and you are great at this. Look forward to more youtube uploads.

[@Puppies-z9h]

I'm no genius, but it seems to me like no one in the whole world would be more motivated to find an ancient lost civilisation than actual archeologists. The idea that you're all just arrogantly and stubbornly dismissing supposedly compelling evidence is silly.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

What makes people like Dan and Hancock even more delusional is how they use actual discoveries as evidence for dogmatic thinking. Dan loves to reference the Clovis First information as proof that archaeologists don't want to find something new because he feels as if it took too long to get everyone to accept the evidence. He flat out refuses to admit that initial evidence was terrible and advancement in technology helped eventually make a case with solid evidence. Instead of just admitting that it took a long time to find solid evidence, he thinks it's just a grand conspiracy from corrupt archaeologists.

[@jordanellington1125]

Thank you, Flint. I appreciate you. I found you on Joe Rogan and now watch every video. You're a cool dude.

[@FlintDibble]

@@jordanellington1125 thanks Jordan!

[@RyanCacophony]

I laughed so hard out loud when you revealed what the dog bone was. That HAS to be a deliberate choice on his part lmao

[@willmosse3684]

Why don’t you sue Dan? That’s clearly slander and you can clearly show material harm. People shouldn’t just get away with doing that. And there are now people in comment sections claiming that your claims in the debate have been “destroyed” based on clear lies about you and the information you presented.

[@trolley4388]

Hi Flint from Italy. I studied Phoenician-Punic archaeology, and although I didn't graduate, I've read enough to get an idea of what's going on. Graham and the like share a common problem: they don't understand what the scientific method is. These charming individuals come up with some catchy theory and create a mental movie around it. Sometimes even a physical one, if there's money to be made. Life is much tougher for professionals, where the real world is all that exists, and you have to explain it. Otherwise, you can be a novelist, which is still respectable.

[@matthewsmolinsky5605]

I can't believe we live in a world where an out-of-work electrician with no relevant training, no relevant education, and no relevant experience can get people to watch his videos about history and science. It's "Idiocracy"

[@lastofmygeneration]

Dunning-Kruger is wild

[@FlintDibble]

sigh...

[@Mvllon]

Yikes

[@matthewsmolinsky5605]

@@Tuhar which is never

[@danielfallu5302]

​@@Tuhar well, it *would* be wild if it ever happened. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be able to read past the title of an article despite claiming to have read the whole thing.

[@KDotwon100]

Here from Miniminuteman. Keep up the good work. You’ve got a new follow

[@ianhammock4564]

"You would fail my classes if you took them" is an absolutely devastating burn, delivered in the middle of what is honestly a very informative response. I mean, going into this video I didn't know we could track metallurgy in the ice cores! Seriously great video, keep up the steallar work!

[@jackbyrnes6152]

Flint Dibble saved me from believing in ancient archaeology, and that will pay dividends down the road when other seductive conspiracy theories cross my path. Thank you for finally being the person that could rebut Graham’s only real argument: “but have you been there and seen the monuments for yourself?” “No Graham, but my colleagues have and all disagree with you.” The guy makes it seem like science can only be conducted with the naked eye.

[@MorganNull-uj6uu]

We don’t even need conspiracy theories to be fascinated by history. For example the Bronze Age collapse and the sea people invaders, or the sphinx and its age and history, or perhaps the ancient tribes of Africa

[@karsu]

It was a Mortal Kombat fatality and brutality level drubbing. It was like the Hindenburg collapse commentator, “oh the humanity….”. You owned him. lol. Thank you for that sir.

[@FlintDibble]

@@karsu hell yea!

[@Arminius420]

So Graham assumes every hunter gatherer was just so stupid they couldn't do anything with out someone from some advanced lost society to help them? I don't understand the bases for why Graham is making this hypothesis.

[@cccc8141]

A lot of racism. Thats the basis. Or at minimum a deep, deep ignorance for his sources and where they come from, falling into believing the same stereotypes our ancestors were taught to put people different than us down so we would seem more noble for our heinous actions in the past.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Anti-intellectualism sells lots of books. Don't forget that before every single point Hancock has to first tell you why scientists are incompetent and corrupt. That's because his audience loves hearing that. And Rogan helps sell it.

[@Eye_of_Horus]

@@cccc8141 it isn’t racism, Graham in his personal life is as far from a racist as you probably can get. It’s just money.

[@nerveagent1905]

​@@Eye_of_Horusracism can be baked into our biases, even as we try to be as anti-racist as possible.

[@Eye_of_Horus]

@@nerveagent1905 yeah I don’t subscribe to all that new age nonsense on race. But I suppose if you do then absolutely everyone is a racist.

[@Pompeius_Strabo]

Thanks Dr. Dibble, keep fighting the good fight!

[@FlintDibble]

@@Pompeius_Strabo I will!

[@zachkielb4975]

My biggest question is, why would an archaeologist lie? Like if they found history changing evidence wouldn't they want to share it with the world?

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

You're only going to give yourself a headache if you try to apply logic to the alt history thought process. Gobekli Tepe is referred to as blow to dogma, but they're ignoring how it made Schmidt famous and helped launch Turkish archaeology.

[@user-nt3uh8ru6s]

I've just watched the debate on Joe Rogan show. The debate showed a great difference between two types of people; the academic type who stick to raw facts, statistical and large number data, concrete evidence and sensationalists who follow their heart rather than reason and facts. Hancock's vocabulary itself shows he's a sensationalist. Words like "absolutely fascinating", "never seen in history", "extremely sensational", "one of the most amazing things ever" show that he's basically a salesman rather than a man of science. Unfortunately, the masses love sensationalism and good story telling rather than data and numbers which science is all about. I'm surprised you didn't go insane listening to him rambling with zero evidence for 4 hours. There is no debating with conspiracy theorists because they're not there to find out the truth, they're there to believe what they say is the only truth.

[@carlfeagans7583]

Wow. That dandydunker guy seems to be one weird dude.

[@FlintDibble]

@@carlfeagans7583 yeah he seem weird to me too

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

He's unhinged. If you point out that he's misquoting people he gets furious.

[@Book-Mark]

One thing is clear, our ancestors were way less childish than we are.

[@PremierCCGuyMMXVI]

Y’know people dunk on climate related sciences and evolutionary biology for reasons like pro-fossil fuel politics and intelligent design religions. But never did I think archeology and ancient history would be hotly debated on the internet and it’s all because one person with a huge ego wants there to be an ice age civilization that went down like Atlantis. Thank you for this!

[@erlinglarsen]

And keep sharing the truth like you do im sick to death of pseudoarchaeology bs .Thanks Flint.

[@FlintDibble]

@@erlinglarsen 100%

[@jackjohnson2309]

I just came from the “debate” with Hancock, I have so much respect for you for even sitting through the whole thing. The way Hancock tried to change subjects, spend all his time complaining about archaeology, and about their misrepresentation of his “work”, while citing archaeologists the whole time and misrepresenting their work would have been comedy gold if it wasn’t so frustrating. Kudos to you sir, looking forward to learning more from you.

[@mightdog999]

Graham is his own lost civilization.

[@skeel_8923]

At 14:10 using my basic human anatomy skills I was able to tell those bones aren’t human at all glance. How could anyone be so naive to believe that?

[@WickedFelina]

If I had the opportunity to go to college it would have been for the study of archeology. It is the most fascinating and vital profession in the pursuit of who we are, by knowing what and where we've been. Since, I first heard you speak re the story of Atlantis, I cheered "Finally!" As it was what my instinct had always known, I became a fan. While ideas, are fascinating, if they are beyond reality, though they take us away from worry at best, you have only the makings of a Hollywood movie. Only science and truth, when confirmed, become the most inspiring and miraculous of all ~ because it's REAL! Thank you!

[@FlintDibble]

@@WickedFelina thanks felina!

[@aaron_propp]

The Debate On Joe Rogan Made Me A Former Fan of Graham. I can say Graham Hancock really helped me to expand my mind with his observations as a middle schooler, and his interest helped fan the flames of my own interest in Egypt. I guess it’s how lots of people feel about certain high school teachers, who’re kind of dumb in other areas like politics but really got them thinking in some other area of actual value. I actually used to think his work highlighted sites and details that I wouldn’t have been exposed to, but that Graham could be a starting point to pique an interest as film or tv productions with entertainment value. On Joe Rogan, however, Graham Hancock came off as petty and rude with a chip on his shoulder all while having all this pent up rage that’s supposedly the result of people acting toward him the way he went on to act toward Flint Dibble. I suppose it’s why *certain politicians* are afraid to debate unless coddled with everyone trying to help them to get other people to view them the way they view themselves. I also believe that the one famed Egyptian Egyptologist having a childist and screaming temper tantrum over Graham Hancock was a bit much, Graham doesn’t deserve that. However, he’s not the victim he claims, he kind of uses that alleged-victimhood as a weapon to compensate for the flaws, errors, or contradictions in his own assertions. I think using “consensus” in the place of arguments is dogma, but you gotta bring the arguments either way to support or to test consensus, Graham simply didn’t. Most “real” scientists have no problem sharing what convinced them like Flint Diddle and like Dr. Richard Dawkins. I saw a cartoon recently of one guy planting a tree with a group of others waiting with saws behind their back, and that’s what I think people like Graham ends up doing to archeology. Most of the demonstrations about the evidence for archeological claim could be best learned by getting an education in the relevant field(s) of archeology, then again, what do I know. It’s like dealing with people from that the episode of South Park about John Edwards where the Stan character gives a big long explanation for how cold reading works just to have someone say, “Well, how’d he know my aunt’s birthday was in March” (or something like that). No explanation and no amount of facts will ever make a difference to someone like that, but it was eye-opening to see an actual expert come on and demonstrate expertise with a moderator allowing a sober articulation of the academic view while having it be contrasted so sharply with Graham’s shallow slogans and his subjective reactions to interesting phenomena. Another general observation, it’s hard to argue against someone’s subjective feeling and reaction, and that’s really what you’re dealing with when people look at the pyramids at Giza. They have their little reaction, saying things like “No one could have done that” or “I’ve done the math, they would’ve had to have been doing X and Y”, but it’s just their feeling. There’s no arguing with that, it’s just narcissism, it was never rational. Graham Hancock’s debate really displayed that. For me this was like watching Uri Gellar fail to perform a single trick on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, making Flint Dibble the James Randi of the whole thing

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

​@@IbnRushd-mv3fpYou don't understand why people expose scammers who lie about science? Would you get upset with a doctor that exposes someone selling magic crystals to cure cancer? Because that's the same thing, just a bit more disgusting.

[@thatoneweirdbish6364]

I just love how pseudo scientist always get destroyed in any serious debate and always have to resort to ad hominem attacks, slander and harassment. Just goes to show that they dont have any more real arguments. I really hope this wont affect your job and career in the long run.

[@Dnahavok]

I watched the podcast and a few videos and must say, you’ve represented yourself and your colleagues very well! Your knowledge was palpable in the conversations and your evidence was present. I hope you and Graham can come together again for a *cooler* conversation!

[@classicscorner]

I'm going to share the best fortune cookie saying I've ever received: "Do not listen to vain words from empty tongues." QED.

[@jefffro1424]

i think when people get ‘owned’ on Rogans podcast it should be ‘ you got Flint Dibbled’ …you’re a champion Flint cant wait for the Netflix special

[@Archeomilla]

Thank you for your work, your patience and your resilience. I think we need more and more good archaeologists talking about real archaeology on the internet. So keep up the good work!🥳🤩💪🏻

[@FlintDibble]

@Archeomilla thanks you rock too!

[@epochalypsemeow5732]

Time to “DIG IN” for this one!

[@yodontheduck]

im here from miniminuteman's shoutout - love the work and education im seeing here 💙

[@jakemorris6888]

Common knowledge: Ancient Egyptians built pyramids and could make noise with their voices. Graham Hancock: ‘This whole puzzle is coming together just as I thought’.

[@EtruskenRaider]

Hot damn! Well done Flint! We have your back. You’re doing great.

[@FlintDibble]

@@EtruskenRaider raid at dawn!

[@jm8080ful]

I love how Dan Richards talks about a subject he's not qualified to talk about with a McDonald's happy meal box and posters of game consoles behind him like how a professor talks in their office with stacks of books and academic achivements hanging on the walls would. This is literally just a dude with long beard filming himself rambling inside his mancave...did he even finish high school? I think this is a fair question, if he lives off criticizing the works of Archeologists I think we should question him about his credentials first.

[@RPodoba]

the world needs more minor figures like you

[@FlintDibble]

@@RPodoba 💯

[@CareraDrift]

Thank you Flint for being such a good Science Communicator your work matters a lot

[@FlintDibble]

Thanks Carera!

[@markozbunjol625]

Hey, I'm one of those people who believes in conspiracy theories. Not all of course, because I always enter with skepticism, but I really believe that there are a lot of conspiracies, especially political ones. Having said that, you destroyed Graham and it was really nice to listen to an educated man who knows what and how unlike our politicians.

[@TalabAlSahra]

I’m a HCW and these people remind of of antivaxxers.

[@ghostexits]

Mr. Dibble made an error in judgement presuming facts and reason would prevail over a community of morons and sociopaths.

[@FlintDibble]

@@ghostexits nah. Many people in that community can be reasoned with. They just have bad information But ofc, many cannot be reasoned with as we see here

[@pavlovsdogman]

Dan is definitely a worthless lying sociopath who knowingly slanders people for attention and because he's basically a teenager who does unethical things because "muh free speech brah!". 😑

[@spacelemur7955]

This Dan Dude seems like a total grifter; the smirk, the sneer, the smugness. It attracts C, D, and F students who as adults want the smart people humbled.

[@aaronisacomedian]

I live in Wichita. About an hour from me there is a huge excavation dig that's been happening. They have found the 2nd largest native American "city". Keep up the good work, Flint! I had a hectic childhood, combined with bad choices in my 20s I never pursued my dreams. I am 33 now. I'm thinking about going back to school to pursue archeology even though I'm getting older. I wanna be a part of the dig I mentioned

[@katiesnudden829]

I dont think Graham Hancock is racist. However he does use a lot of concpercy theories and thought processes that have a deep history within racism and white supremacy and would hope that he would feel deeply distraught if he saw just how much his statements play into this.

[@John-zl9zp]

The fact that you're getting harassed and people trying to get you fired from your job is grounds for a libel lawsuit.

[@esembee7717]

I'm still baffled after all these years since BBC Horizon looked at Hancock's claims, that people take him seriously in any way.

[@NotThatKate]

13:05 translation: please do harass Flint, but keep my name out of it

[@arturillosmeriglia8029]

Sue his ass...

[@clrky444]

This is the new peer review for social media, well done

[@thefatherscott]

Here because of Miniminuteman. I'm very proud of you for standing up for actual archeology and prouder that you are standing up for yourself in such a professional manner. You just got another subscriber to add to your base :)

[@AssalaHadjadj]

As a zooarchaeologist myself, it's very difficult to explain to someone who only gets their information from KZbin and fellas like Mr. Hancock and also who never read a single scientific article in their lives how archaeology works; you cannot just take things out of context and impose your own theory on them; that is literally a logical fallacy called Confirmation Bias; so the anger that you're facing my friend is just what people do when they are unwilling to see and accept their ignorance and leave their fantasy worlds to step into a reality that is studied via true scientific systematic methods.

[@ZeeZeeZoodles]

"You would fail my classes if you took them" BAM 👊

[@FlyingDutchman-m1x]

I find it hilarious that a guy is trying to discredit you because of 2 clear jokes when he wrote a whole book about how martians built pyramids on the moon

[@louiss.w1944]

Flint Dibble must be protected at all costs

[@louiss.w1944]

Your whole situation is an example of the internet enabling anti intellectual conspiracy minded nonsense peddled at the expense of good faith scholars and professionals. From healthcare, law, politics and even fkn archaeology ect…. Nobody is safe.

[@TopTop000]

My biggest issue with Graham is that he doesnt even have a theory to be wrong about. His «theory» is so vague it can be everything and nothing at the same time . Thats convenient for him because he can just jump around when you try to pin him down on a wrong.

[@ltldxy71]

1st, it shocks me that there are so many crazy people on this earth. 2nd, the internet has allowed them all to become “stars” in their own minds. 😂

[@jessemiller7540]

Props to you, Flint. You are a class act.

[@FlintDibble]

@@jessemiller7540 class is in session