More thoughts on a Lost Civilization

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In this video, I reflect on and add to the conversation I had with Graham Hancock on the Joe Rogan Experience
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Keywords: archaeology, history, Graham Hancock, Joe Rogan, Atlantis, Ice Age, Domestication, Neolithic

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[@Thehomelessathlete]

I just don't understand logically on a base rudimentary level how there can be no lost civilizations. All civilizations we've discovered were lost until discovered and mohenjodaro and the wide spread idea of multiple "cradles of civilization" has arisen only recently positing that civilization emerged at similar times in different regions. Inherently I don't understand how an archeologist can be so stubborn when their entire field is discovering knew civilizations some of which go back thousands of years prior to what was held as rigorous firm doctrine for decades. Wether that be Gobeklitepe or the Kazakhstan stone structure that are tens of thousands of years old. We are not all knowing. We only have a glimpse. Sad people are so indoctrinated they feel confined in a certain timeline when in fact discoveries even in the last decade or two are antithetical to their stubborn attitude.

[@Petticca]

The irony of what you're saying is: The reason that you know about those previously unknown sites is because of.... Academic archeologists. Those exact same people that you hold are too indoctrinated, or too convinced that they already know everything, to be open to new evidence that drastically alters their understanding of humanity's past, _are_ the people who excavate, document, study, and give a date for, the very things you believe are evidence in favor of the idea that academic archeologists desperately don't want to upset the current consensus. This is very in line with the kind of rhetoric Hancock puts out. That is to say, it is accusing the other side of the doing the things that Hancock is guilty of. For example, Hancock frequently asserts that academics disparagingly think of the hunter gatherers as really simple people, who weren't capable of achieving great things... They don't. Hancock then spends _all_ of his time trying to build a case for denying numerous ancient cultures, and people, their rightful recognition of being the people who conceptualized, planned, and worked hard to build the cultures and civilizations that they did. Their legacy is not allowed to be their own, Hancock insists these people couldn't possibly have created what they did, and so credit is given to a mysterious (and pasty skinned) people, advanced and sophisticated they gifted civilization and culture to the ignorant people of... wherever Hancock deems that the native population couldn't have achieved great things by themselves... And he will intersperse his assertions with accusations that it is actual archeologists who think these ancient people were simpletons, it is actual archeologists who just have agendas that they follow, it is actual archeologists who ignore evidence that doesn't support their preferred ideas, it is them that denies obvious evidence.. It is projection, and it's an amazingly disrespectful bunch of BS to throw around about the entire academic field of people whose collective expertise, knowledge and experience, Hancock is convinced _he_ can not only match, but _he_ is better than.

[@dpost1268]

JRE: I examine the facts and find that Graham offers plenty of opinions but lacks any evidence to support them. Everything he says is unfounded. However, we can't blame Graham entirely because he claims to be a reporter, not a scientist. But is he really just reporting? There's nothing for him to report since there's no evidence to report on. Instead, he fills his "Hamlet's Mill-style" books with every controversial idea, presenting them as facts. Mostly, he relies on his British accent to give an air of credibility.

[@dpost1268]

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[@Stromn83]

you are a failed academic , who needs to stay in his lane.

[@shenanitims4006]

I love the idea that if an archeologist happened to find proof of Atlantis, or ancient aliens, that they’d not publish it. “I don’t want the fame and accolades such a find would bring me. I prefer being an underpaid educator/researcher. Why be able to set up my own grant foundation with the proceeds when I could remain anonymous and beg for grants?” Science, history, academia is fun.

[@ASHearn90]

Hardcore JRE listener. I come for the speculation and stay for open discourse on the evidence. Hats off to you and your research. Speaks for itself. Keep going!!

[@mdc2461]

Nope! If you want to show him admiration, keep your hat on! no matter what!

[@Wayzor_]

Explain Tucker and his denial of Evolution then.

[@amosbackstrom5366]

​@Wayzor_ Money can buy an education and it can also shelter brainworms. Tucker chose the latter and Joe just goes along and asks questions

[@paladro]

yeah if you are hardcore jre listener you got issues bruh... dude just regurgitates the same stories over and over till he hits that 3hr mark.

[@paladro]

@@Big_ten no, it's the endless rogan clips that get attention and reaction, regardless of how fucking erroneous or outright stupid the claims are. i remember rogan early in his podcast(i even remember 'the joe show' prior to that), he used to complain about woo peddlers, now he's a podium for woo and bad takes.... for instance his supplements for memory and his own lack of recall as proof his supplements are woo.

[@loke6664]

What mostly annoys me with Hancock is how he likes to date things with zero evidence to back him up. Someone excavated a cave into a few rooms, must be from the end of the ice age. I watched this vid yesterday about this huge cave in China they claimed was impossible to date. It had well made pictures though and one of them they showed was a Buddha. Yeah, I am no expert in ancient Chinese art but they look Quin to me or possibly Han and there is no way a picture of Buddha is older then 2500 BCE. Graham of course were there claiming it was far older but that isn't what the evidence really say and we know Qin Shi Huangdi had enough resources to build one of the most impressive grave complex ever made including the terracotta army so he at least certainly had the resources and skills to dig out a large cave for some reason. And Graham does this all the time, if some kind of dating method proves him wrong he ignores it. Archaeology should be the opposite, you look on your site by itself first before you try to pin it in with something else. When you have narrowed down the date and culture then you can start to draw conclusions how it fit in, not before you even know how old it can be. Cherry picking single things also doesn't help, there is probably other artifacts at the place that set that artifact into perspective.

[@Karayudo]

As an archaeologist, I had the chance to meet Mr . Dibble on an excavation in Crete 2 years ago. He is one of the most passionate, knowledgeable and engaging people I’ve ever seen. He had the entire team completely drinking his words about a few samples of goat bones and teeth while also encouraging phds, confirmed archaeologists and students to exchange ideas , question and actively participate in the thinking process of his work. Knowing how quite a few of the so called experts can sometimes be people who just love to hear themselves speak, it was not only refreshing but also very inspiring. I couldn’t have thought of a better person to defend the “archaeologists point of view” on the debate with G. Hancock. Great guy!

[@PaulAssmann]

But he got the hole thing with the ancient global civilization wrong. And I am totally shure that this once happend. There are to many connections.

[@RobertoMarsalis]

Calling Hancock a racist was despicable. While he attempts to soften what he says, the implication was clear, and the goal, very much intentional.

[@italia-wv3mu]

Hi Flint. Here from Joe Rogan podcast. Was a Hancock believer before. Am a lot less now. Thank you for bringing us all a reality check. bravo. And keep up the good work, the world needs more like you!

[@mantismeiister5104]

hahahahahahahahahahahh

[@TangoBinAlsheed]

Wait, your brother is named Chip? Chip & Flint? hahahaha, thats great

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

Shame it wasn't steel. Flint and steel. Sorry.

[@benjaminacurry4867]

@@DrumToTheBassWoop flint and chip is way better for archaeologists, though it seems to set up brothers for a weird relationship. One “chips” “flint” to make a tool

[@charlesdibble8487]

I sware its true lol

[@ravenfeader]

@@DrumToTheBassWoop We got a bright spark right here , im off for a knapp .

[@dbissex]

​@@benjaminacurry4867one might in fact chip some flint to fashion a dibble.

[@sinacism23]

Thanks for doing the debates and because of that I found your channel and other archeologists channels. I really enjoyed your debate, it did change my mind a bunch. I cannot wait to go thru your channel this stuff is fascinating to me.

[@thegreatnoldini]

I lost both of my parents to cancer also. I'm not an archaeologist, but have always had a lot of interest in it, and have followed you for a long time. I think you honor your father's memory and he would be extremely proud.

[@demonicsweaters]

I learned about you because of that episode. I honestly do find Graham entertaining and always liked him as a guest. That being said, you brought your A game and I became an instant fan which brought me to your channel and subscribed. I bet Joe invites you back on your own. I think if you were out there more and had more exposure just speaking facts and all the stuff you know about, people would want to watch it and learn. It is just as fascinating as lost civilization stuff, plus you actually have evidence supporting your knowledge.

[@rijancaffe]

What the hell are you talking about? He was petty and childish the whole time.

[@Bleilock1]

​@@rijancaffegraham?

[@adamdudley8736]

More fascinating because it’s not made up fantasy nonsense

[@trick3058]

@@rijancaffe Atleast he doesnt believe in a make believe fantasy land like you do buddy

[@Bleilock1]

@@MrWeanie and you give us a link to a know liar? Wow

[@wabisabi6875]

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Issac Asimov

[@Subfightr]

Aw man I'm so sorry for the loss of your father. I'm very happy to hear he was such a wonderful man. RIP Pappa Dribble.

[@pc9695]

Your discussion with Graham on JRE sent me to your channel and reignited my interest in continuing my education, I'm now exploring graduate degrees at my local university. Thank you for the reignition of inspiration to continue learning!

[@fightshrub8872]

That's awesome! You'll do amazing.

[@newred8924]

Diddo that. Like ur hat

[@bennyanthro4891]

This is great to hear. Please update us here with questions or your decision. Congrats!

[@eightpetal]

Here, for you journey. Although these are tailored for the UK, there is valuable info here for the wider field. Welcome to the club. :) www.bajr.org/Employment/getajob.asp www.bajr.org/BAJRGuides/33.%20Archaeological_Career_Advice/Archaeology_2013.pdf

[@LordDirus007]

Damn, that JRE Episode just came out

[@amartin3893]

It was a Viking who took the dump that was so big it survives to this very day, displayed in a museum. It had to hurt evacuating that thing. If only the warrior taking it knew then that the cause of his severe discomfort would become an educational tool for generations of children, and the most memorable artefact ever displayed in York's Viking centre. He would have been very proud.

[@TEHmaniac437]

how many courics would that be? 🤔

[@paladro]

@@TEHmaniac437 shitty wok

[@paladro]

i read your post as, "I was a viking who took the..." i was about to congratulate you ))

[@erlinglarsen]

​@@TEHmaniac437 i dont think many wouldve picked up on your comment .Bono im not number twos and i need my bitty.

[@marvinwilliams7938]

@@TEHmaniac437 Hey Sharon, come look at this

[@_MikeJon_]

I think a funny part was when you asked him why he doesn't think Stonehenge (or anywhere in Europe) was built by this lost civilization. He said something like "no advanced civilization worth their salt would build there." Basically due to climate. Yet doesn't he heavily imply they built their civilization here in the PNW? Clearly Joe had that impression, right? They didn't build in Europe... due to climate... but... the climate here was worse than many places in Europe... it was cold, dry and tundra. But hey, what do I know. Maybe they had bigfoot as livestock for their wool.

[@yugimotobutjacked3231]

Funny since that time period (10k-40k years ago) in Europe produces some of the oldest examples of figurative art and even some arguments for proto-writing in 8000 BC, confirmed tracking of animal breeding patterns in cave paintings etc.

[@TheAllAmericanSocialistMTR1000]

You crushed it on JRE & knocked it out of the park here. Way to go!

[@misztong]

Hey man, just wanted to say it's really touching how you talk about your dad and him being your influence. He must have been a great dude, so sorry for your loss (however long ago it might be) and I think he would have absolutely loved your appearance on Rogan - you had to debate two man-made stones! Great to see people so passionate about what they do. Best of luck.

[@TheNahmate]

I actually thought JR was pretty nimble and quite open, although he couldn’t seem to accept that interpretations of photos (esp. by non-experts) can’t count as ‘evidence’. GH, on the other hand, the less said the better … FD did incredibly well: he was fair with an interested layperson, and he managed to bat away the pseudoscientist’s nonsense

[@Anyextee]

Huge kudos to Flint for stepping up and engaging with Graham in a meaningful debate. It was truly an enlightening discussion. I'm very grateful for the valuable resources you shared with us and happy to see some archaeologists finally telling their stories in a more engaging way.

[@AJjames0317]

On a large platform as well

[@chrimony]

The only thing I can say in Graham's favor is that Gobekli Tepe was a shock to the archeological world. Nobody had predicted anything like that at such an age, and it came after over a hundred years of archeological work.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Actually they did predict it by saying humans needed lots of food and GT appears to have had plenty.

[@ericbrant8983]

I think there's a big difference between finding a really old large or megalithic structure we weren't expecting and hypothesizing a culture that spanned the globe and was more advanced than we expect on zero evidence.

[@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC]

I think there's a chance there's an even bigger, older, & more surprising human city buried under the Amazon! Not magic, but a real city

[@paladro]

@@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC under the sand, beneath the jungle, before, before, before... sure, but that doesn't mean more advanced than today, or certainly one can't make the assumption without hard proof to be taken seriously.

[@ericbrant8983]

@@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC you're basically arguing Russell's teapot (there could be a teapot floating around in space). The point of Russell's teapot analogy is that you shouldn't believe something until you have sufficient evidence for it.

[@TheNahmate]

I never thought I’d hear a conversation on JR about the defunding of the Humanities in UK universities. Thanks, Flint!

[@Andy_Babb]

I can’t stand Rogan but was happy to see somebody with some real experience and education In archeology and history on there debunking the nonsensical bullsh!t spewed by Hancock and his ilk.

[@radkobachvaroff]

I sat with my uncle who runs Living Tounges dictionary and he explained to me why Graham is an author and not a scientist. His quote was "he knows just enough to be dangerous". I thanked him and explained that I wouldn't have the same appreciation I have for history without Graham Hancock as he forced me to actually learn about these places. One quick shout out to Uncle Greg. Glad you could do the same for millions of people.

[@-Gumbo]

Well done Flint, great work on JRE. I'm certain you got Joe questioning Graham. I hope he has you back on your own to explain more about Archaeology, the processes and the method. I have subscribed

[@Ryan-eu3kp]

You could tell that you put the seed of doubt in Rogan's mind.

[@PixelPenguin77]

Graham's hands were sore from all that cherrypicking

[@TheKing-qu8cm]

Use your Brain why there would be direct evidence when they hide the evidence, when they hide the evidence there would be gaps , use deduction and logic.​@@PixelPenguin77

[@darbycrash55]

Im on the ancient advanced civilization side and I just wanted to swing by and say thank you for doing the debate with Graham.

[@sirrichter5336]

U still on that side even after the debate?

[@rippedtorn2310]

Still? Can i ask why?

[@darbycrash55]

@@sirrichter5336 I am.

[@darbycrash55]

@@rippedtorn2310 Check out the quartz inclusion granite and dolerite vases produced in the tens or (probably) 100's of thousands.

[@darbycrash55]

@@rippedtorn2310 There is too much evidence of technology we cannot replicate. 1 small example, how did they get the granite boxes into the serapeum?

[@shaunholmes4143]

Hey Flint, you have a sub in me. I'm really flat that Graham spent the best part of 5 hours whining about how his ego was hurt by the mean custodians of archeology rather than spend more time delving into some of his actual claims so we could have had more of a back and forth between yourself and Graham, and hearing you lay out all the logical framework for why his claims don't hold up- I grew up enjoying Grahams work, it was fantastical and I was ignorant of science.. In a way I have Graham to thank for my love of science as a lay person, he introduced me to archeology and I've gone on to have an above average understanding of all science as a result. Please do more of this work, "We live in a world dependent on science and tech, where almost no'one knows anything about science and tech" This Sagan quote rings true.. There is a philosophical argument that the work you do in the field vs the work you could do teaching the lay person (as you did on JRE) is at this point in history, probably more beneficial for humankind... probably more financially lucrative too. Would love to see either yourself or David Miano have a sit down with Ben from Uncharted. Great work, Thanks again! Edit- Just as a side note, Graham never talks about Australia as a potential spot to find his lost civilisation, much like the Sahara and the Amazon, Australia would have been very pleasant 13000 years ago. Does he believe that his lost civilisation bypassed Aus? He used a god of the gaps argument all to conveniently and placed his Atlantis in every square foot yet to be excavated (Exaggeration, but yet it's kind of his go to argument)

[@jondidrikson7096]

Because I like listening to Graham I thought to myself you were evil or some shit at first but immediatly I loved listening to you sharing your passion and knowledge

[@stednark2217]

Graham moved the goalposts from a lost, advanced, world spanning civilisation to a lost civilisation.

[@kennybobby201]

Stargate Atlantis, how do you explain that dibble?!?!

[@MossyMozart]

Fiction.

[@suprflyification]

lmao. Graham Hancock is so full of shit.

[@JA-gz6cj]

@@MossyMozart that's what they want you to believe..

[@JA-gz6cj]

@@sg24336 the elite

[@VindensSaga]

@@MossyMozart Alternative history, don't you know anything bro?

[@andrewblackard3369]

I had a thought related to lost civilizations. I suspect that there is a lost sub-Saharan civilization. Currently there is no archeology to support this hypothesis. However, before earthquakes redirected the outflow of Lake Victoria into the Nile basin, it is thought to have fed an extinct sub-Saharan river that flowed west to the Atlantic. And all those people that migrated into the Nile basin in pre-dynastic times came from somewhere. Those people appear to have a fairly advance riverine culture. So it seems probable that they migrated to the Nile basin from some lost sub-Saharan riverine culture (civilization?). So maybe it is possible that more lost civilizations exist, in addition to the recently discovered lost Amazon culture/civilization. So to my point, does the lack of sub-Saharan archeology prove the negative case that no sub-Saharan culture existed?

[@magesentron]

Let's break down the list of people who think Atlantis is fictional: Flint Dibble, Me, Almost EVERYONE who has a career in science, Plato... Now let's break down the list of people who think Atlantis is real: AUTHORS WHO MAKE MONEY FROM BOOKS AND OTHER MEDIA INVOLVING ATLANTIS

[@derekcoaker6579]

Notice you labeled both groups as "who thinks" not Who knows. You don't know it...that's the point. It's ok to wonder.

[@adamparslow9220]

I loved both your JRE talk and that it's opened up the fascinating world of your work that I can educate myself with. Even more so though...I love how much you love your Dad. He must have been such a great guy. I only live in Chepstow, I'm going to keep an eye out in case you do any public lectures in Cardiff! Thanks Flint, truly.

[@t.a6159]

you did and an amazing job representing archeological community and science as a whole. bravo sir.

[@jbackell8781]

I just finished your JRE with Hancock and wow. I am so completely amazed at both the amount of knowledge you possess and your ability to share it in an understandable and engaging way. The difference between Graham and a real scientist was eye opening.

[@Aguywithahatmakesagame-dw1eh]

You did an amazing job at Joe Rogan! Thank you for sharing your work!

[@mdc2461]

I learned so much from your appearance on the JRE podcast! Just subscribed-keep posting great stuff, my friend!

[@hoptoads]

Archeologists told us for a very long time that ancient Sumer was the oldest civilization known. Then along came Gobekli Tepi, Boncuklu Tarla, Karahan Tepli. No doubt plenty more artifacts of civilization older than Sumer will be discovered in the future.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

The oldest known structure is like the tallest building. When you find something older or taller it is the newest one.

[@SurfTheSkyline]

To be fair they told us that because it WAS the oldest KNOWN civilization at the time, it isn't like they were hiding anything or being disingenuous.

[@hoptoads]

@@SurfTheSkyline Never said they were hiding anything or being disingenuous. Merely pointing out that theories constantly need updating when new evidence arises. The biggest mistake any scientist in any field can make is to assume the science is settled.

[@GoodieWhiteHat]

There are no absolutes in science. All such statements have an inferred clause of ‘until we find evidence to disprove it.’

[@celsus7979]

What do you think a civilization is? Any culture that builds a stone building? What we see in Turkey is what archeologists call a culture. A civilization is by definition more advanced, and Sumer is still the oldest we have found. Definition of civilization according to the dictionary: "An advanced state of intellectual, cultural, and material development in human society, marked by progress in the arts and sciences, the extensive use of record-keeping, including writing, and the appearance of complex political and social institutions. "

[@rhouser1280]

The debate made more sense when you realized that Flint was working from evidence & Graham was working from speculation. It was a good debate, I thought Joe did a decent job of trying to keep it between the guardrails, but it did dive off here & there. Graham definitely had some animosity towards you but I can understand, if someone called said I was supporting racism & white supremacy, I think there were some Nazi references too, I would like to defend myself as well. Whether it was meant that way or not, that is the way I came across to a lot of people. I listen to Rogan’s podcasts a lot, hearing Graham & Randall’s theories on the past is really interesting & makes you wonder. When you find out a lot of it is either bs or exaggerated speculation, it’s like when you’re a child finding out Santa isn’t real. But it is very interesting learning what evidence we do have vs what we don’t. Thanks for going on & explaining from an archeological standpoint, what is known.

[@bennyanthro4891]

I agree. I may be biased, but as an archaeologist, archaeological research is a lot cooler than fantasy. The fantasy stuff though is what gets clicks and sells books because the fantasy stuff is what comes to mind when you hear the word ‘archaeology’. The line about discovering Santa Claus isn’t real hits close to home. As a young college student over a decade ago, I was brought into the discipline by the mythological stories of the Aztecs (my Nahuatl ancestors) vs Cortez. If only the Aztec magic spells could’ve helped against the invaders. But nope, there is no evidence of the spells working, in fact, the opposite happened. And here we are. Cheers to you🍻

[@craigsurette3438]

PS your refutation of Hancock's taking of his quotations of the Edfu texts out of context is "chef kiss" brilliant.

[@dirkturtle3354]

Best part of the video is the call out to his Dad. Respect!

[@craigsurette3438]

2 additional points I never hear alt archaeology people addressing . 1 an ancient globe spanning technologically advanced civilization that seeded indigenous civilizations with technical knowledge after a cataclysm would have left a genetic fingerprint, and would have spread agricultural innovation. There is no genetic fingerprint of this progenitor civilization in any of the places Hancock describes, nor do we see agricultural innovations/ domesticated plants spreading to these places from a single source. Evidence shows that Old/New world human genetics and plant domesticates were more or less entirely separate for 20,ish thousand years. 2 if there were any high tech civilizations in the past, the archaeology would show evidence not only of the tools they made, but also of all of the geological disturbing that would have had to have happened in order to get all of the resources they would have needed to make it. For example, If the Egyptians etc had developed a light bulb, then we would have seen evidence, not only of that lightbulb, but we would have seen evidence of the glass manufacture, the metals manufacture, and evidence for the mining of the raw materials to make the glass and the metal and all of the geological and archaeological evidence which would be produced by ALL of the industrial processes required to make every single part of that lightbulb. One cannot make a highly technological object of any sort, and not have multiple "fingerprints" left behind from each and every step , for each and every material needed to make that object. Near as we can tell, around 13000 years ago, there was no evidence of any technology, nor any resource acquisition outside of a few places dipping their toes into the first stages of the Neolithic revolution. All of the evidence shows that the world's "high tech" at the time was the very earliest stages of pottery and farming in a very few locations

[@brandonw.peebles4225]

If you had to summarize the whole debate, Graham was just repeatedly saying that that there's not enough evidence to disprove it while Flint was saying there's not enough evidence to prove it, and we would expect to have that evidence by this point.

[@wearethenightparty]

Yes, that's right. They remained at an impasse, however it was a good chance for Hancock to tell Dibble to back off and stop being so nasty.

[@rebirthoftheword7099]

Go to 17:21

[@simbamandi3545]

did you watch the podcast, evidence points to no lost civilization but the sites in Graham's theory are no more or less than they present themselves.

[@brandonw.peebles4225]

@@simbamandi3545 Yeah for sure

[@johnbeans2000]

​@@wearethenightpartyLOL.

[@tobiastho9639]

Suggestion, try a Lavalier mic for better sound? Aiming for leveling around -6db for speach shuld also improve it, the peaks could go up to 0db. For example Milo Rossi got one from Rode, gifted by a viewer, and it really improved his sound.

[@tobiastho9639]

@@AnuddaGoy maybe you can send it to his university? Or better contact him first? Would be greatly appreciated!

[@bubbles581]

Gosh I know the audio is terrible !!!

[@chrimony]

Probably not the mic, but the echo from hard walls. All people doing Tube seriously put up sound deadening on their walls.

[@bubbles581]

@@chrimony well he seems to be using a non-lav mic. There is a place where he gets closer to it and the sound gets way better. But yes somethingnto control the echo would help a lot also

[@FlintDibble]

I will start a fund to get a better mic

[@sammy000cheese]

I’m here for flint. Flint I love hearing about your dad. The way you employ totality of evidence is so powerful for young people to learn from when shaping their beliefs. All the best, man.

[@Christopher-n6u]

You were amazing to listen to man! Definitely got me into learning more about the real evidence that exists

[@FlintDibble]

Thanks!

[@BePatient888]

SHOUT OUT to POPPA DIBBLE! I am sorry for your loss Flint. Your father sounds like an awesome man. I watched the JRE debate and found you on KZbin. Consider me subbed, and I am donating to support archeology!

[@codymoon7552]

We know that Dibbles dad always pushed dibble to what he loged from what I have heard, truly he was a great man and father. The world is lesser place without him

[@Brando-UK]

I think Mr. Hancock bit off a little more than he could chew. I bet he will no longer want to debate anyone on JRE.

[@TheLastHonestInfluencer]

Flint dibble VS Graham Hancock celebrity boxing match? Please make this happen

[@Brando-UK]

@@TheLastHonestInfluencer 😂😂😂😂 Flint is 3 times as young and probably a little heavier. You couldn’t tell because of his jacket he had on but he probably has 10-20lbs on Graham and that’s a guess. Only thing that would give Graham a punchers chance, well besides a punch would be the fact he has so much hate built up against archeologists and their profession as a whole because of the hate he claims they throw his way. Really I don’t know but I would think that Archeologists and Graham himself would all be so busy doing their jobs and just living there wouldn’t be time for all this shade throwing a mind shit talking. But who knows we may see a boxing match between them one day. It would definitely be entertaining. Well it would be entertaining or really boring because one knocked the other out with one shot. 😂😂😂😂

[@mnomadvfx]

@@Brando-UK From what I can tell archaeology is a physically demanding profession in the field. The most physically demanding thing Hancock has to do is get to the sites and point at stuff. He's not even carrying or using the camera equipment. He'd snap in half in less than 30 seconds against any field experienced archaeologist. "the fact he has so much hate built up against archeologists and their profession as a whole because of the hate he claims they throw his way" IMHO it's all an act. A well honed, decade long practiced underdog act to get sympathy from the masses to increase his sales. He's a grifter, pure and simple.

[@blop3922]

As a longtime Rogan listener I feel genuinely foolish for thinking Hancock was anything more than a grifter. The end of the episode really summarizes the differences between you two; you asked for donations for real research and children's education while Hancock shilled his nonsense book.... again. "We can say there is no evidence for an advanced civilization" - Graham Hancock

[@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC]

Now just watch a lot of your perception of his guests begin to erode.. after you realize Joe is just as gullible as anybody & ends up boosting a lot of grifters

[@YahushaisYahuahssalvation]

Hancock is a masonic plant.

[@luciferfernandez7094]

Don’t feel like a fool. I think there is value in crazy conspiracies and pseudo science science simply because, if a little critical, they will eventually lead you to actual scientific knowledge.

[@elia8544]

When has that happened?

[@pv2dunn]

The idea of a lost civilization as advanced or more advanced intrigues me. So I enjoyed listening when Graham would go on the show. I don't think I was ever convinced, but the hypothesis was engaging for me. When watching his Netflix show I could barely make it through Ep1. His tirade about Dibble cemented for me that he had no compelling proof outside of how do you know for sure, otherwise, he would have used that time to show his proof.

[@Disco832010]

I've been an Australian Archaeologist since 2010. Well done for keeping your composure during the JRE Flint. It's a shame Graham used it as a platform to attack you and other Archaeologists. I think he needs to stop making it personal. Best of luck with all your own research Flint.

[@MarkT-ci6cr]

Never in a million years did I think I would be interested in archaeology but I love your passion. Subscribed

[@alasdairgillis]

Serious question, I'm just an amateur who's curious. Does Flint completely dismiss the possibility of the Younger Dryas impact theory? To clarify, I'm not referring to any advanced civilization prior to suppsed events 11-12K years ago. I'm more wondering if he agrees with massive flooding worldwide, and a very quick glacial melting period since the end of the most recent Ice Age.

[@BLG80]

I don't think anyone would completely dismiss a theory, I suspect he would say they is an academic debate on this and he is persuaded by the idea of more localised flood events rather than a dramatic deluge event. It is a disputed area and arguments will need to be settled over time and as new evidence is presented. The wheel of academia turns slowly but it does turn.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

I wouldn’t say that. Though you’re gunna need proof for that, and the proof for the theory just isn’t there.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

We are able to do studies on the impact that led to the end of the dinosaurs. We should be able to find ample proof of the impact theory.

[@Samy-xt7nu]

Hankocks whole argument "we haven't turned every stone so there must be ancient civilization somewhere "

[@swanson2409]

Haven’t checked every wardrobe for Narnia yet 😂

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

I'm going to steal that line. Brilliant.

[@Ultimate_Hater75]

The fact that an Archeologist is named Flint is very perfect.

[@PorkChopAChunky]

You hit the lottery on names. Flint Dibble just brings a smile to my face when I say it.

[@justinstuart8382]

Graham was actually extremely famous in the 90's already after Fingerprints of the God's. Otherwise BBC Horizon wouldn't have done that awful hatchet job documentary on him so early trying to discredit his theory. The younger generation today just assumes Joe Rogan sent him to infamous stardom. People today unfortunately don't read books never mind scientific papers. I enjoyed the debate and thought Flint had a very good coherent argument that at times I could see Graham trying to thwart by going off topic. It did annoy me, particularly when Flint was addressing some good examples of architecture in ancient Greece and Graham immediately tried to debate Sacsahuaman. I didn't see where this was relevant? I've have enjoyed all of Graham's work over the last 30 years have met him many times and his Wife Santha. He's a lovely guy, and he has signed all my books. Including my treasured original 1995 copy of Fingerprints of the God's. What Graham did for me as a young man in the 90s was more to do with opening my eyes to the world. I went travelling to nearly all the sites in the book. Met many interesting amazing people and cultures. Crazy to think I was 19 in 1995 and I'd never heard of the Great Pyramid or even the Mayans. I even learnt to Scuba dive in 1999. Since then I've read many more books from various authors. Prior to that I was very lazy and read nothing at all. I'm now going to look more into what Flint is saying because it's extremely interesting and of huge relevance to this subject. Thank you all

[@dukebedford7600]

I've enjoyed Graham Hancock's appearances on Joe's podcast in the past and have to admit, I began watching the debate with some bias. It was rather quick that I realized Graham was pulling from some odd hypothesis' and emotion rather than from actual evidence. By the end of the debate it was pretty clear you had far better points and actual evidence. Great Job! While being a 'fan' of Graham, you were far more convincing.

[@skylarhill5822]

Dr. Dibble, After watching your enthusiastic debate with Mr. Hancock, I find two things: 1) You, as a scientist, focus on "What is" and Graham focuses on "What if". 2) Graham is a dreamer and visionary, presenting many important alternative views on civilizations. Moreover, you did a fantastic job staying grounded in science and data. Well done sir. Best, Skylar Hill, USAF, BSN

[@andreaarchaeology]

Graham is definitely a dreamer, as in he makes it all up.

[@skylarhill5822]

He's a storyteller, and a good one at that..

[@grahamparrington]

Hancock is a grifter

[@skylarhill5822]

@grahamparrington Sure. But I don't see that as his honest intent. He believes in his confabulated story. And like Flint said, we don't have proof this lost civilization doesn't exist. We just don't have proof that it does either... it's a theory.

[@DanielRyan-mv2rl]

good work....the way you presented the evidence was superb...also a totally new concept was introduced to me by you..that is aggregated archaeological data...made me rethink the way i look at history in general...thank you

[@glkeele]

I love how much Flint loves his dad. I hope my sons feel that way about me when im gone.

[@r.m8146]

Hey, professor. New subscriber here from Destiny's podcast. I would really love if you consider putting all this amazing information in a 180º VR format because it would be incomparably more immersive and intersting. Science teaching is the one type of video that would benefit immensily from the popularization of VR headsets because it makes the content much clearer and easy to grasp. I'd probably watch several hours of your lectures in this format. Thanks.

[@FlintDibble]

It's a good idea and something that could.be fun to work towards for sure

[@cucch13]

You’re a great teacher. You have an enthusiasm talking about archaeology that i wish you were my professor. Also the admiration for you’re dad is nothing to be embarrassed for. You’re dad sounds like the man and he definitely raised a great som.

[@AxisMundiAlpha]

he is spreading fake-news and claims as facts.

[@ArchaeologyTube]

This video was so joyful. Your enthusiasm is infectious. The cherry-picked passage from Graham’s books made me laugh out loud. Keep doing what you’re doing, friend!

[@FlintDibble]

Thanks man!

[@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC]

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.. but at some point it is evidence you shouldn't be wasting your time looking for something that *evidently isn't there.

[@carlpanzram7081]

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence if presence would be expected to produce evidence. If I'd told you I was a millionare, and you looked at my bank account and my taxes and found no signs of large sums money ever having been in my possession, you would rightfully doubt my claim. There is no evidence that I WASN'T a millionare, but the evidence yih would expect is missing.

[@matta1758]

I gotta say you really dominated Hancock. Total Dibble victory.

[@michaelholey-jc6jv]

Hancock got me fascinated in a subject i really didnt care about. These guys should work with him because he brings a lot of interest and ultimately donations to a very under funded field. If Flint and Hancock worked together on a Netflix special they could give the proceeds to the cause. They would both be hero's.

[@michaelthebarbarian3380]

Hey Flint, First off, I started out nearly 100% on Graham's side when I tuned in. However, you did a great job presenting evidence to the contrary. I thought your questions about the lack of tooling or artifacts around these 'theorized' monolithic sites were excellent points, as was the lack of any shipwrecks from this ancient civilization. I found your explanation of how agriculture is studied and how we know when humans planted and farmed based on plant evolution to be really incredible. I also understand your frustration and that of your community. You're doing real archaeology, using available facts to draw a picture of the past so we can learn where we came from. You watched your father work in this field his whole life, you've dedicated your life to it, and your colleagues do the same. Yet, year after year, you see your funding dry up. Meanwhile, someone who's essentially saying, 'You can't prove my idea didn't happen because you haven't overturned every stone on Earth,' is getting large amounts of funding and press without doing any science or peer-reviewed research to back up their claims. It's like someone saying, 'Prove to me that the color green doesn't taste like beef jerky.' and then getting praise for it. Madness. Anyway, I'm sure your dad is looking down on you with pride at the job he did and the person you've become. You've earned a sub and a few cups of coffee on me!

[@BasedKungFu]

Great comment

[@RussellOMara]

You should remember when Graham Hancock started he was just a writer working for a economic magazine he himself said he was just exploring things that mystified him I just believe he's been overcome by his Fame of talking on stage all the time

[@davidmartin2631]

On the ice age "civilization" shipwrecks: If there are any, wouldn't they be under at least 500 ft of water, since that's roughly where the sea levels were back then?

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

But we do find shipwrecks. And thus far none support Hancock and his idea. Just like how we keep finding hunter gatherer camps and not entire cities.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

@@seantobin6988 You want science to count shipwrecks that haven't been found?

[@IRISHJEWEL]

Your enthusiasm and style brings archeology alive! Excellent and informative. Thank You!

[@fjficm]

I was very entertained and enlightened. A very good job in presenting yourself, your research and your arguments against Graham Hancock's theories. You have a new subsciber and i would love for you to give us updates on the Natufian sites and older ones like Ohalo II whether you are directly involved or have insights that were shared with you by your fellow archeologists. Thank you.

[@Andy_Babb]

“The real sh!t of the past bc I’m here to give you the real sh!t” - Flint Dibble This is why I listen to Flint Dibble. No bullsh!t while talking about the _real_ sh!t!

[@Andy_Babb]

@@ScrewdriverTUNING Tell me you have no clue how dating artifacts or archaeology as whole work without saying it. Thing is, archaeology and science isn’t afraid to change with new evidence - if it were, we’d still be hunter gatherers praying to the leopard god. New technology, techniques, evidence from new digs, new studies on older finds, they all lead to more accurate understanding of our past and the world around us. Youre right, I don’t just take him at his word. I don’t have to, he provides evidence and cites sources.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Hey Flint, I found a channel called Atun-Shei Films that took a different spin on the debate you might find interesting. He thought you came out on top but also had many pieces of advice on what could have been much better. His summary is unique too because he correctly points out that debates are just for entertainment and the most "charming" person is usually the one who wins. Facts, evidence, and truth have zero to do with a debate. His suggestion is to avoid debates and debunks and instead flood the internet with facts, evidence, and truthful information. It's an interesting strategy but with shows like Rogan being so popular I'm not sure the strategy can work anymore.

[@nateuwotm8544]

Good job man, really good listen on that podcast.

[@timboslice980]

Hey flint, i’m a big church history nerd. Do you have any recommendations for archaeological material on the church from the first centuries? Language progression, food, anything i’m a total nerd and would basically like to hop in a time machine to that time period and see what life was like as a christian living in different parts of the world during that time period. The hardest thing for me to find good information is the Syro Malabar church in india, claimed to have been started in the first century. Some of the evidence is compelling but hard to substantiate without knowing what the official side is. Books, documentaries, even YT channels would be helpful.

[@captainflint89]

Hi Mr Dibble , I am a flintknapper from scotland and i reproduce lithics from the european stone age . i used to believe that there was a slight possibility there might be something to hancocks theory but during some simple study of the continuity of lithics from the very early paleo to bronze age , i was able to leave behind the notion of atlantis or a lost universal civilisation . some things still bug me though . the clear effort to deny earlier than clovis sites in the americas is a major one . Hueatlaco warrants further investigation and i would like to hear your thoughts on this . Also there seems to be a "sterile layer" without artefacts between clovis and pre clovis . would this sterile layer be evidence of depopulation in certain areas and could this be evidence of cataclysmic events in the region ? in scotland for example , on the east coast , there is a layer of sand and debris consistent with the tsunami that sank "doggerland" this layer contains little to no artefacts apart from organic matter . to me it looks comparable to the american "black mat sterile layer " . i may be wildly mistaken and i would love some clarity on the points i raise . one major thing that took me away from hancock was the assertion that clovis people simply "disappeared" . i know this is bollocks , the lithic technology evolved into cumberland/folsom and dalton technologies and beyond .

[@woodsythedrugowl]

Hey dude, I love that Rogan brought you on. The podcast was great and I’ve enjoyed diving into your work after. I’m a new fan. I hope he brings you back for a 1 on 1!

[@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks]

Atlantis of the Gaps. The evidence is always where you haven't looked yet. The world needs more channels like yours. I recommend improving your audio first which will result in the audience being more receptive of your message. Talk to Miano he recently improved his significantly

[@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks]

​@ScrewdriverTUNING I completely agree...Hancock says exactly where to look...it's in your imagination

[@Ultimate_Woyor]

I have been a reader of Hancock's theories for a number of years. I've watched every appearance of his on the Joe Rogan show, and I am intrigued by ancient history and the idea of a lost civilization. I have to say you did an awesome job in the debate and you have won a new convert. Nice job, Mr. Dibble!

[@chiznowtch]

Sweet!

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

Convert is a wild way to put it, but glad to hear you aren’t just buying into Grahams fiction books.

[@Ultimate_Woyor]

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 How about "new subscriber"? Because that's what I am.

[@ratgirl34]

The amount of patience you displayed on the Joe Rogan show, for four hours. I couldn’t believe that it didn’t end with Hancock saying there is no evidence for his ‘ancient civilization’. Like, bang, we all agree. Debate over. But nope, it kept on giving.

[@lutherdean6922]

I love Graham Hancock it was a great debate

[@MythVisionPodcast]

You did outstanding dealing with Graham! Keep up the great work!

[@strawbs2828]

Anthro major here! Love to see you sharing all of these resources with people and taking advantage of the platform you’ve been given! All of this is making my heart warm, and I’ll be definitely be digging deep into all of the channels/podcasts you listed!! Thank you!!

[@Mattribute]

The most interesting thing from that episode was the point about lead smelting byproducts showing up ice cores before the classical era. You brought this up and Graham did not challenge it. Then, in another episode we heard that you had referred to a study of ice core sampling that ignores the ice age and that allegedly such byproducts show up examination of some ice core studies during the ice age. If that’s true debate is over, so it’s probably not true, but I would like to see such evidence either way.

[@saltytree729]

I’m a massive fan of archeology, I’m a farmer/ I also study plant science and have a BSc in agronomy, are you familiar with a town in England called Wallsend? We have some of the best Roman archeology I don’t know the word for it but you should get yourself over here to Northumberland, our Roman fortresses and rich history will blow your mind it fascinates me every day! Was always on your side and even more so after than interview, you smashed him.

[@me_and_me_]

No offense, but when exactly was Göbekli Tepe found, and how much do you know about it? And Tartessos, when was it found? And how much archeology knows about it?

[@scottfuller9180]

Gobekli tepe was found in1963 and Tartessos in 1922

[@graperuby8130]

I listened to the podcast twice over and felt you were far more compelling. One thing that is strange to me, is that if Graham has dedicated his life to this kind of research why would he not get a formal degree in archeology and conduct real, legitimate research. Apposed to yelling uninformed opinions from the sidelines.

[@johnhunsley8860]

Because yelling on Joe Rogan makes him far more money than boring real archeology

[@maau5trap273]

Money, archeology is not exactly the most lucrative science field. They’re severely underfunded in fact.

[@Brett-yq7pj]

I think you can do it without a degree especially if you have funding and proven knowledge im not an archeology nerd so I don't know either of their backround but I think you can be self taught in most things probably not surgery though, but anyway I don't think people should be discouraged from learning stuff like archeology on their own

[@graperuby8130]

@@maau5trap273 Except Graham Hancock has made a fortune off of his books and media over the years. Money is not an issue for him.

[@griffindault]

This comment is a little mind blowing to me. How is this what you found strange? Like particularly so you had to make mention of it? Like there is a couple of lifetimes worth of things that are more odd and nonsensical about the choices Graham has made in life that are probably better places to start compared to thinking he could have picked a better career choice to accomplish a goal he has now as a man in his mid 70s. Also if ya get more familiar with Hancock's work that hasn't been curated for mass appeal like the Netflix Doc and subsequent media appearances. When you get the full picture you realize that when he talks about dedicating his life to this research he doesn't mean archeology or any other empirical material based field of science. What he means is his spiritual research cuz you always have to keep in mind this is all in service of indirectly propagating. Supporting, and justify his New Age religious BS. I honestly think direct confrontation, even masterfully done, won't be as damaging to Hancock's

[@keanamazurik5021]

So happy you included miniminuteman in your lineup of KZbin channels, that’s what got me started on the graham Hancock rabbithole of pseudoscience after watching and questioning ancient apocalypse, so I was anticipating this debate and rooting for you from the start! You did not disappoint! Thank you so much for sharing your incredible amount of knowledge. I have watched your video on the tomb you helped excavate also, you are of a big brain sir dibble!

[@MaggotDiggo1]

The most fascinating part of the Graham Hancock phenomenon is that the myth of Atlantis is still alive today. There's something about this myth which gives it a lot of sticking power.

[@adreenainlove]

I love how much you love your dad and how proud you are of him and his undoubtedly proud of from the heavens ❤

[@raina4732]

Subscribed! You’re awesome. You’ve done a lot of hard work and it’s incredible. New fan here!

[@codyrod]

Is it true that metallurgy has never been looked for in ice cores from the ice age period?

[@gecko7005]

why would we?

[@codyrod]

@@gecko7005 because Flint said we did..

[@gecko7005]

@@codyrod He didn't say that. He said we have looked at ice cores from those times and found no lead in the samples before around 6000BC. Not that people specifically took the samples to look for metallurgy

[@0Icelord0]

I loved the title of Stefan Milo’s response to the JRE debate, Atlantis is dead. It’s the first time someone who is truly an expert in the field debated Hancock in a public forum. You wiped the floor with him. He had nothing to say other than, you haven’t looked everywhere, which is the same as saying we can’t say there’s no God because we haven’t searched everywhere.

[@0Icelord0]

@@bschmidt1 hey flint here’s another guy you need to censor. I’d do it for you but you’re not paying me.

[@0Icelord0]

@@bschmidt1 have you?

[@ignaciocarabez9143]

"You fucked with seed banks, Graham!"

[@visitorzeta1669]

I watched the episode of Joe Rogan, thoroughly enjoyed it. You made excellent points throughout the episode. I would love to see you go on again and share more of your knowledge and research.

[@chucklearnslithics3751]

😂 I love your ellipses ... Analysis of Hancock's work. Perfectly summarized. 🤣

[@frank327]

Lovely tribute to your father, he sounds like a lovely and interesting man, RIP and sorry for your loss

[@nozrep]

i always wonder why it’s wrong to speculate or theorize or hypothesize condsidering it’s a step in the process of the scientific method. Hancock says a lot of things confidently. Though I am pretty sure he still admits all of his stuff is still just an unproven theory. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think he explicitly stated that his theories are already proven fact beyond a shadow of a doubt. And I always take issue with real archaeologists and real scientists disparaging new ideas and new theories when it’s literally supposed to happen that way? theorize, test, prove/disprove. Anyways, I didn’t watch that Joe Rogan episode yet. But this video popped into my feed and I recognized him from a short clip I watched. How can someone be disproven once and for all time with currently available evidence if all the things they say, they also say are still theory? But maybe they are kind of an eccentric character so they are fun to listen to? And sometimes people take too seriously such eccentric characters who are able to theorize persuasively? Yet still acknowledge what they are saying is theory?

[@dreamingmusic3299]

Because academia has been overtaken by the Leftist woke zealotry (think of it as a secular religion) and questioning religion has ALWAYS been a heretical sin. Archaeology and anthropology have a RIGID dogma and questioning ANYTHING will get your career ruined and your life destroyed, because that's how religious zealots roll. Just look at what happened to Virginia Steen Mcintyre. Look at how Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson are treated as 3rd class citizens.

[@dreamingmusic3299]

Because academia has been overtaken by the Leftist woke zealotry (think of it as a secular religion) and questioning religion has ALWAYS been a heretical sin. Archaeology and anthropology have a RIGID dogma and questioning ANYTHING will get your career ruined and your life destroyed, because that's how religious zealots roll. Just look at what happened to Virginia Steen Mcintyre and how Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson are treated as 3rd class citizens.

[@dreamingmusic3299]

I have replied to your post several times but FascistTube keeps deleting them. Obviously they have something to suppress, as nothing I've said was offensive.

[@GI-bv9jx]

You changed my mined regarding this lost civilization, in this moment we can not say that such civilization existed.

[@M.A441]

Thanks for doing this. I had been waiting for years for a real archeologist to confront him on his BS. Thank you! It was flawless. Go for round 2.

[@ET3Roberts]

You gotta get yourself a better fitting suit, it looked like you were melting into the one you had on during the Rogan interview.