More thoughts on a Lost Civilization

[@FlintDibble]

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[@Thehomelessathlete]

I just don't understand logically on a base rudimentary level how there can be no lost civilizations. All civilizations we've discovered were lost until discovered and mohenjodaro and the wide spread idea of multiple "cradles of civilization" has arisen only recently positing that civilization emerged at similar times in different regions. Inherently I don't understand how an archeologist can be so stubborn when their entire field is discovering knew civilizations some of which go back thousands of years prior to what was held as rigorous firm doctrine for decades. Wether that be Gobeklitepe or the Kazakhstan stone structure that are tens of thousands of years old. We are not all knowing. We only have a glimpse. Sad people are so indoctrinated they feel confined in a certain timeline when in fact discoveries even in the last decade or two are antithetical to their stubborn attitude.

[@Petticca]

The irony of what you're saying is: The reason that you know about those previously unknown sites is because of.... Academic archeologists. Those exact same people that you hold are too indoctrinated, or too convinced that they already know everything, to be open to new evidence that drastically alters their understanding of humanity's past, _are_ the people who excavate, document, study, and give a date for, the very things you believe are evidence in favor of the idea that academic archeologists desperately don't want to upset the current consensus. This is very in line with the kind of rhetoric Hancock puts out. That is to say, it is accusing the other side of the doing the things that Hancock is guilty of. For example, Hancock frequently asserts that academics disparagingly think of the hunter gatherers as really simple people, who weren't capable of achieving great things... They don't. Hancock then spends _all_ of his time trying to build a case for denying numerous ancient cultures, and people, their rightful recognition of being the people who conceptualized, planned, and worked hard to build the cultures and civilizations that they did. Their legacy is not allowed to be their own, Hancock insists these people couldn't possibly have created what they did, and so credit is given to a mysterious (and pasty skinned) people, advanced and sophisticated they gifted civilization and culture to the ignorant people of... wherever Hancock deems that the native population couldn't have achieved great things by themselves... And he will intersperse his assertions with accusations that it is actual archeologists who think these ancient people were simpletons, it is actual archeologists who just have agendas that they follow, it is actual archeologists who ignore evidence that doesn't support their preferred ideas, it is them that denies obvious evidence.. It is projection, and it's an amazingly disrespectful bunch of BS to throw around about the entire academic field of people whose collective expertise, knowledge and experience, Hancock is convinced _he_ can not only match, but _he_ is better than.

[@dpost1268]

JRE: I examine the facts and find that Graham offers plenty of opinions but lacks any evidence to support them. Everything he says is unfounded. However, we can't blame Graham entirely because he claims to be a reporter, not a scientist. But is he really just reporting? There's nothing for him to report since there's no evidence to report on. Instead, he fills his "Hamlet's Mill-style" books with every controversial idea, presenting them as facts. Mostly, he relies on his British accent to give an air of credibility.

[@dpost1268]

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[@Stromn83]

you are a failed academic , who needs to stay in his lane.

[@shenanitims4006]

I love the idea that if an archeologist happened to find proof of Atlantis, or ancient aliens, that they’d not publish it. “I don’t want the fame and accolades such a find would bring me. I prefer being an underpaid educator/researcher. Why be able to set up my own grant foundation with the proceeds when I could remain anonymous and beg for grants?” Science, history, academia is fun.

[@paulholloway1599]

Reminds me of how some people claim drug companies are hiding a cure for cancer - sigh.

[@dmythica]

@@shenanitims4006 but when archaeologists have found proof that changes the accepted view they haven't been praised like you say. When Jacques Cinq-Mars found evidence of humans in the americas 24000 years ago he was vilified, shouted down, harassed, ridiculed, and had his career destroyed. Now they know he was correct. We already know humans during the ice age had watercraft, how else did they get to Australia 50k years ago??? Why have no vessels from 50k years ago been found, when we know they existed, and we know the approximate location. Do you think they swam? The fact that humans got to Australia 50k years ago is proof that humans were traveling by sea 50k years ago. You don't need to find the boats.

[@michaelmurray6577]

Grigori Perelman

[@tonk84]

There was a moment when he asked you 'how much of the sahara has been excavated?' then shortly after 'how much of the sahara has been investigated' It shows a lack of understanding of archeological process. The answer to how much has been *investigated* is 'actually quite a lot!' investigation is more than just digging. You only need to dig where you have a reason to, and investigation into where to dig to ground truth something is almost more important than the actual dig. I would have loved you to have come back to some of his points with 'yoi know graham, youre right. Not enough has been investigated. If youre willing to put up the funds we'll dig wherever you want to look for something'

[@thegreatnoldini]

I lost both of my parents to cancer also. I'm not an archaeologist, but have always had a lot of interest in it, and have followed you for a long time. I think you honor your father's memory and he would be extremely proud.

[@ASHearn90]

Hardcore JRE listener. I come for the speculation and stay for open discourse on the evidence. Hats off to you and your research. Speaks for itself. Keep going!!

[@mdc2461]

Nope! If you want to show him admiration, keep your hat on! no matter what!

[@Wayzor_]

Explain Tucker and his denial of Evolution then.

[@amosbackstrom5366]

​@Wayzor_ Money can buy an education and it can also shelter brainworms. Tucker chose the latter and Joe just goes along and asks questions

[@paladro]

yeah if you are hardcore jre listener you got issues bruh... dude just regurgitates the same stories over and over till he hits that 3hr mark.

[@paladro]

@@Big_ten no, it's the endless rogan clips that get attention and reaction, regardless of how fucking erroneous or outright stupid the claims are. i remember rogan early in his podcast(i even remember 'the joe show' prior to that), he used to complain about woo peddlers, now he's a podium for woo and bad takes.... for instance his supplements for memory and his own lack of recall as proof his supplements are woo.

[@keithfitzpatrick4139]

Thank you Flint. Thank you Milo, Kaleigh, Raven, And the countless others ; The historians , like David Miano, the geologist s , the scientists. For bringing forth honest evidence, with proof, in the scientific manor. And I see a trend with more info on topic, with less google debunking Although I do enjoy the debunking, I like learning true stories, we are all curious, and I’m sick of the seudo science crap. So thank you for taking the time to teach me how to think critically and tell me what we know now given the evidence. It’s refreshing. Thank you all that helps band together , to deliver this scientific knowledge. I appreciate it. ❤

[@amartin3893]

It was a Viking who took the dump that was so big it survives to this very day, displayed in a museum. It had to hurt evacuating that thing. If only the warrior taking it knew then that the cause of his severe discomfort would become an educational tool for generations of children, and the most memorable artefact ever displayed in York's Viking centre. He would have been very proud.

[@TEHmaniac437]

how many courics would that be? 🤔

[@paladro]

@@TEHmaniac437 shitty wok

[@paladro]

i read your post as, "I was a viking who took the..." i was about to congratulate you ))

[@erlinglarsen]

​@@TEHmaniac437 i dont think many wouldve picked up on your comment .Bono im not number twos and i need my bitty.

[@marvinwilliams7938]

@@TEHmaniac437 Hey Sharon, come look at this

[@demonicsweaters]

I learned about you because of that episode. I honestly do find Graham entertaining and always liked him as a guest. That being said, you brought your A game and I became an instant fan which brought me to your channel and subscribed. I bet Joe invites you back on your own. I think if you were out there more and had more exposure just speaking facts and all the stuff you know about, people would want to watch it and learn. It is just as fascinating as lost civilization stuff, plus you actually have evidence supporting your knowledge.

[@rijancaffe]

What the hell are you talking about? He was petty and childish the whole time.

[@Bleilock1]

​@@rijancaffegraham?

[@adamdudley8736]

More fascinating because it’s not made up fantasy nonsense

[@trick3058]

@@rijancaffe Atleast he doesnt believe in a make believe fantasy land like you do buddy

[@Bleilock1]

@@MrWeanie and you give us a link to a know liar? Wow

[@TangoBinAlsheed]

Wait, your brother is named Chip? Chip & Flint? hahahaha, thats great

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

Shame it wasn't steel. Flint and steel. Sorry.

[@benjaminacurry4867]

@@DrumToTheBassWoop flint and chip is way better for archaeologists, though it seems to set up brothers for a weird relationship. One “chips” “flint” to make a tool

[@charlesdibble8487]

I sware its true lol

[@ravenfeader]

@@DrumToTheBassWoop We got a bright spark right here , im off for a knapp .

[@dbissex]

​@@benjaminacurry4867one might in fact chip some flint to fashion a dibble.

[@Karayudo]

As an archaeologist, I had the chance to meet Mr . Dibble on an excavation in Crete 2 years ago. He is one of the most passionate, knowledgeable and engaging people I’ve ever seen. He had the entire team completely drinking his words about a few samples of goat bones and teeth while also encouraging phds, confirmed archaeologists and students to exchange ideas , question and actively participate in the thinking process of his work. Knowing how quite a few of the so called experts can sometimes be people who just love to hear themselves speak, it was not only refreshing but also very inspiring. I couldn’t have thought of a better person to defend the “archaeologists point of view” on the debate with G. Hancock. Great guy!

[@PaulAssmann]

But he got the hole thing with the ancient global civilization wrong. And I am totally shure that this once happend. There are to many connections.

[@RobertoMarsalis]

Calling Hancock a racist was despicable. While he attempts to soften what he says, the implication was clear, and the goal, very much intentional.

[@paulisfat8077]

​​@@PaulAssmannyou know there's alot of phenomenon that involve seeing connections where there isn't. Especially when you've been told its there. If you think there's indisputable evidence of this civilization, you've been mislead. I can't say you'll see the magic evidence disproving this notion in your mind (many people that hold these ideas tend to be quite stubborn, hopefully you're an exception). However, the evidences of what we have is all out there a most of it's free, people have spent many centuries making a large effort to understand the past. I won't say with absolute certainty there wasn't a globe spanning civilization, most scientists would as well, the earth is big and we haven't checked everywhere at present. Yet, we have an advanced globe spanning civilization in the modern day and the evidence is; at no point in time has any place exhibited any of the hallmarks of a global civilation. Where is the genetic interchange between distant peoples? Why did all of their food crops emerge from local flora? Where's there garbage? Did they just go to extreme lengths to make it look like they were never there? (If so, give me a single verifiable reason as to why)

[@paulisfat8077]

​@@RobertoMarsalisrepeating things don't make them true sadly.

[@Greg-xi8yx]

@@PaulAssmann it’s not what you’re “totally shure” about. It’s what you can prove and you can’t prove it.

[@wabisabi6875]

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Issac Asimov

[@pc9695]

Your discussion with Graham on JRE sent me to your channel and reignited my interest in continuing my education, I'm now exploring graduate degrees at my local university. Thank you for the reignition of inspiration to continue learning!

[@fightshrub8872]

That's awesome! You'll do amazing.

[@newred8924]

Diddo that. Like ur hat

[@bennyanthro4891]

This is great to hear. Please update us here with questions or your decision. Congrats!

[@eightpetal]

Here, for you journey. Although these are tailored for the UK, there is valuable info here for the wider field. Welcome to the club. :) www.bajr.org/Employment/getajob.asp www.bajr.org/BAJRGuides/33.%20Archaeological_Career_Advice/Archaeology_2013.pdf

[@LordDirus007]

Damn, that JRE Episode just came out

[@loke6664]

What mostly annoys me with Hancock is how he likes to date things with zero evidence to back him up. Someone excavated a cave into a few rooms, must be from the end of the ice age. I watched this vid yesterday about this huge cave in China they claimed was impossible to date. It had well made pictures though and one of them they showed was a Buddha. Yeah, I am no expert in ancient Chinese art but they look Quin to me or possibly Han and there is no way a picture of Buddha is older then 2500 BCE. Graham of course were there claiming it was far older but that isn't what the evidence really say and we know Qin Shi Huangdi had enough resources to build one of the most impressive grave complex ever made including the terracotta army so he at least certainly had the resources and skills to dig out a large cave for some reason. And Graham does this all the time, if some kind of dating method proves him wrong he ignores it. Archaeology should be the opposite, you look on your site by itself first before you try to pin it in with something else. When you have narrowed down the date and culture then you can start to draw conclusions how it fit in, not before you even know how old it can be. Cherry picking single things also doesn't help, there is probably other artifacts at the place that set that artifact into perspective.

[@juangoyeneche7304]

He doesn’t just suggest a date based on an uneducated guess, and the same goes for archaeologists. One of the theories that made me pay attention to more credible alternatives than what is taught in schools was the inclusion of evidence beyond mere assumptions, incorporating other branches of science, like geology. For example, examining the water erosion on the Sphinx and understanding historical weather patterns suggests a different timeline for its construction. The assumption that the face depicts a human is questionable when you consider the dramatic difference in proportion between the head and the body, implying that the monument might not have been built by the same people who later re-carved the head. Ancient builders were known for their precision in proportions, so it makes no sense why they would carve such a disproportionately small head. Time and again, historians and anthropologists have been proven wrong by ignoring other sciences. So why won’t they dig deeper to uncover the truth? All of this became a seed for me to start looking deeper into history, beyond what was simply taught by scholars. Other branches of science, like astronomy, offer a different approach. When astronomers discover something new or realize they misunderstood something, they are willing to modify their views and accept that they didn’t know everything. In contrast, historians and archaeologists are often resistant to changing their perspectives when new evidence comes to light. Instead, they seem to do whatever they can to dismiss or ridicule those who challenge their established views.

[@loke6664]

@@juangoyeneche7304 Ah, the Sphinx, that is an interesting topic. That story started when Robert Shoch (I probably spelled his name wrong though), geologists, looked on the erosion of the Sphinx in the early 90s. His report on it was indeed that the Sphinx had seen heavy rain and was older then assumed, he suggested at least that it was 5500 years old instead of 4500 years as previously assumed. Not that nowhere did he claim it was around in the Younger dryas as Hancock claimed. Now, if he was right that the sphinx had seen heavy rain during the end of the African wet period or not (ended 5000 years ago) or if the statue who is built so it is still connected to the plateau sucked up ground water which increased the erosion is not something I would speculate in since geology isn't one of my skills but either at least sounds plausible. So why don't we look on the other evidence and consider if Shoch's report would point towards the Sphinx being from an unknown very ancient civilization or not. First, let's discuss the proportions. The Sphinx is built in 3 different types of sandstone and still connected to the plateau. The head is the hardest and geologist think it stuck up and was kinda head like naturally. The statue was limited to the natural rock it was carved out of so the size of the head does not really prove it used to be larger but neither does it prove it was not. Let's talk climate. The wet African period ended 5000 years ago. The pyramids are considered built around 4550 years ago. However, the "Date the pyramid" project used 5000 carbon dating samples from mortar and other organic materials and it suggests the pyramids were actually built around 4750 years ago (give or take a century). Do you know where the 4550 years old comes from? That is actually Herodotus who claimed it based on Egyptian sources he heard about. Climatologists have investigated the Nile's size during the African wet period by taking a lot of sedimentary samples though. Their conclusion is that the place the Sphinx stands was under the Nile until 5500 years ago and their evidence is more conclusive then any of the earlier discussed tests. The Sphinx would have been under water during the Younger Dryas as well from at least 15 000 years ago and it would not have survived 10 000 years under a way more active river then we see today. So now, let's move to artifacts and I am including artifacts from the Kroger expedition that most Egyptology experts tend to avoid. The oldest artifacts we found are Maadi pottery shards and a few tools, maybe 30 artifacts in all.Those disappeared when Narmer took control over the area and founded the first dynasty which is traditionally seen around 5000 years ago even if some evidence point towards it being earlier, maybe even 5500 years ago. So 30 Maadi artifacts showing activity at the site before 5000 years ago, maybe even up to 6000 years. Then we have the first to third dynasty artifacts, a couple of thousands found at the Kroger pits in the 70s. Then we have the fourth dynasty artifacts where we can see a huge increase in numbers of artifacts that goes on until Roman times when the number of artifacts shrinks down again. So nothing before Maadi, not a single artifacts or sign of earlier activity at all. Could there have been an earlier civilization who didn't leave a single thing behind? I think not. So what does the evidence actually say if we take Shoch's investigation at face value? Well, if he is right, as well as the size report of the Nile, the Sphinx must have been built around the end of the African wet period. It couldn't have been built until the Nile shrunk enough to build it but that the traditional dating based on Herodotus isn't old enough. That would leave us with 3 potential builders: The Maadi, the 1st-3rd dynasty including Narmer and the 4th dynasty if we stretch the "Date the period project as far as we can and also Shoch's report. Those are the people we can prove was in the area and fits with all the evidence we collected. None of them are from a mysterious civilization. We don't have any signs of the Maadi building huge statues, they did love making underground buildings but the person who brought advanced engineering was Narmer. He also took over the area and had a pretty good motive to build an impressive statue with his head on in his new area. But the 4th dynasty is possible, even if they are at the end of the period when it could have been built. The African wet period didn't suddenly end in a single day so there were probably some periods of heavy rainfall that became rarer and rarer as time went by. I think the artifacts is the smoking gun though, Hancock have failed to explain why even he can't point out a single artifact in the area from the period he suggest, not even a flint or metal tool. People leave things after them. So unless we somehow finds a huge cash of artifacts from Hancock's hypothesized civilization in the area, there is zero things pointing towards him being right. The worlds largest statue does not magically appear, at every other site in the world, we find artifacts from the people who built them, and usually in large numbers which speaks against the Maadi too even if they seems to have had a village in Giza but those we can't totally dismiss, we know they were at least there. I think it is good to investigate these things but we also need to look on the actual evidence. We don't with 100% certainty know who built the Sphinx and even traditional archaeologists suggest people like Khufu or Jeddafre (don't check the spelling on that but he was one of Khufu's sons). I think Narmer is a pretty good candidate too, he had the motive and means to build it and his people was in the area. So unless you can figure out why there is zero artifacts from the ancient super civilization, that one is out. Even if the Nile's size somehow isn't correct, the 2 softer layers would have been totally devastated by at least 7000 years of heavy rain as well. But I do enjoy discussing these things and look on the actual evidence. That a single 4th dynasty Pharaoh must have built it is not conclusive, I agree with that part. That however does not mean we can ignore the plenitude of evidence we have,

[@KasumiRINA]

@@juangoyeneche7304 "ancient builders were known for precision in their proportions" NO? Literally not, older the construction is the more crooked it happens because they didn't know as much. Look at all pyramids that are bent or collapsed, or remade, hell, the Great Pyramid itself looks like it has incisions in the middle of walls due to construction errors. They spend literal tons of mortar to fill the gaps between absolutely uneven stones and it's one of the most impressive monuments! You can still fit a hand between the stones inside. Others are generally worse. But you're missing the entire point, it's IMPOSSIBLE to have a picture of Buddha made before Buddhism came to China let alone before Buddha LIVED! that's like seeing a Soviet poster depicting Brezhnev and claiming it's from Kyivan Rus' times... It just can't be.

[@alasdairgillis]

Serious question, I'm just an amateur who's curious. Does Flint completely dismiss the possibility of the Younger Dryas impact theory? To clarify, I'm not referring to any advanced civilization prior to suppsed events 11-12K years ago. I'm more wondering if he agrees with massive flooding worldwide, and a very quick glacial melting period since the end of the most recent Ice Age.

[@BLG80]

I don't think anyone would completely dismiss a theory, I suspect he would say they is an academic debate on this and he is persuaded by the idea of more localised flood events rather than a dramatic deluge event. It is a disputed area and arguments will need to be settled over time and as new evidence is presented. The wheel of academia turns slowly but it does turn.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

I wouldn’t say that. Though you’re gunna need proof for that, and the proof for the theory just isn’t there.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

We are able to do studies on the impact that led to the end of the dinosaurs. We should be able to find ample proof of the impact theory.

[@paulisfat8077]

Flint if you ever get the chance to speak to Mr. Hancock again, please, please, bring up the "Mars Mystery" to him. In the late 90's he was a big proponent of the 'Martian face' and wrote an entire novel outlining the evidences of ancient martian civilizations and their potential contact with ancient Egyptians. He has since distanced himself from this position[can't imagine why]. I'm desperately eager to see his reaction to being confronted about shifting his narritive after the public has come to a better understanding about his claims. With the rise of people like you he's already walking his ideas back at risk of being seen as a charlatan. My personal conjecture is after people wake up to this current narritive he'll shift to a different creative writing project. I really appreciate you and will be sending my lost ancient psychic resonances to uplift you. My best wishes to you. (Also my dad was responsible for my love of this subject matter as well, my house is filled with local detritus and artifacts from the near past and beyond)

[@deterpinklage23]

Thanks for doing the debates and because of that I found your channel and other archeologists channels. I really enjoyed your debate, it did change my mind a bunch. I cannot wait to go thru your channel this stuff is fascinating to me.

[@Anyextee]

Huge kudos to Flint for stepping up and engaging with Graham in a meaningful debate. It was truly an enlightening discussion. I'm very grateful for the valuable resources you shared with us and happy to see some archaeologists finally telling their stories in a more engaging way.

[@AJjames0317]

On a large platform as well

[@justinstuart8382]

Graham was actually extremely famous in the 90's already after Fingerprints of the God's. Otherwise BBC Horizon wouldn't have done that awful hatchet job documentary on him so early trying to discredit his theory. The younger generation today just assumes Joe Rogan sent him to infamous stardom. People today unfortunately don't read books never mind scientific papers. I enjoyed the debate and thought Flint had a very good coherent argument that at times I could see Graham trying to thwart by going off topic. It did annoy me, particularly when Flint was addressing some good examples of architecture in ancient Greece and Graham immediately tried to debate Sacsahuaman. I didn't see where this was relevant? I've have enjoyed all of Graham's work over the last 30 years have met him many times and his Wife Santha. He's a lovely guy, and he has signed all my books. Including my treasured original 1995 copy of Fingerprints of the God's. What Graham did for me as a young man in the 90s was more to do with opening my eyes to the world. I went travelling to nearly all the sites in the book. Met many interesting amazing people and cultures. Crazy to think I was 19 in 1995 and I'd never heard of the Great Pyramid or even the Mayans. I even learnt to Scuba dive in 1999. Since then I've read many more books from various authors. Prior to that I was very lazy and read nothing at all. I'm now going to look more into what Flint is saying because it's extremely interesting and of huge relevance to this subject. Thank you all

[@jondidrikson7096]

Because I like listening to Graham I thought to myself you were evil or some shit at first but immediatly I loved listening to you sharing your passion and knowledge

[@kasperadamson4654]

Thank you from the bottom of my heart. We need more people like you. Best way to fight pseudoscience is with facts. It’s a tedious process to root the weeds out, but as long as people like you keep contributing we at least stand a chance. ❤

[@chrimony]

The only thing I can say in Graham's favor is that Gobekli Tepe was a shock to the archeological world. Nobody had predicted anything like that at such an age, and it came after over a hundred years of archeological work.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Actually they did predict it by saying humans needed lots of food and GT appears to have had plenty.

[@ericbrant8983]

I think there's a big difference between finding a really old large or megalithic structure we weren't expecting and hypothesizing a culture that spanned the globe and was more advanced than we expect on zero evidence.

[@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC]

I think there's a chance there's an even bigger, older, & more surprising human city buried under the Amazon! Not magic, but a real city

[@paladro]

@@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC under the sand, beneath the jungle, before, before, before... sure, but that doesn't mean more advanced than today, or certainly one can't make the assumption without hard proof to be taken seriously.

[@ericbrant8983]

@@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC you're basically arguing Russell's teapot (there could be a teapot floating around in space). The point of Russell's teapot analogy is that you shouldn't believe something until you have sufficient evidence for it.

[@KasumiRINA]

11:00 onwards, my mom had a great example of how mixing quotes out of context sounds: "Judas vetraued Jesus..." " Now you go and do likewise". Both are correct Bible quotes, but they're a few pages apart, so combining these together isnt better than movie kidnappers using newspaper headlines to make a ransom note and then blaming Times for advocating the crime because their words were used out of context.

[@KasumiRINA]

*betrayed, of course, not whatever my phone typed.

[@blop3922]

As a longtime Rogan listener I feel genuinely foolish for thinking Hancock was anything more than a grifter. The end of the episode really summarizes the differences between you two; you asked for donations for real research and children's education while Hancock shilled his nonsense book.... again. "We can say there is no evidence for an advanced civilization" - Graham Hancock

[@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC]

Now just watch a lot of your perception of his guests begin to erode.. after you realize Joe is just as gullible as anybody & ends up boosting a lot of grifters

[@YahushaisYahuahssalvation]

Hancock is a masonic plant.

[@luciferfernandez7094]

Don’t feel like a fool. I think there is value in crazy conspiracies and pseudo science science simply because, if a little critical, they will eventually lead you to actual scientific knowledge.

[@elia8544]

When has that happened?

[@pv2dunn]

The idea of a lost civilization as advanced or more advanced intrigues me. So I enjoyed listening when Graham would go on the show. I don't think I was ever convinced, but the hypothesis was engaging for me. When watching his Netflix show I could barely make it through Ep1. His tirade about Dibble cemented for me that he had no compelling proof outside of how do you know for sure, otherwise, he would have used that time to show his proof.

[@Ryan-eu3kp]

You could tell that you put the seed of doubt in Rogan's mind.

[@PixelPenguin77]

Graham's hands were sore from all that cherrypicking

[@TheKing-qu8cm]

Use your Brain why there would be direct evidence when they hide the evidence, when they hide the evidence there would be gaps , use deduction and logic.​@@PixelPenguin77

[@Disco832010]

I've been an Australian Archaeologist since 2010. Well done for keeping your composure during the JRE Flint. It's a shame Graham used it as a platform to attack you and other Archaeologists. I think he needs to stop making it personal. Best of luck with all your own research Flint.

[@mrwelshmun]

Hi Flint, I'm going to be honest, I hadn't heard of you until JRE. I was a fan and supporter of Hancocks work for years up until recently. I was initially intrigued by his theory and his ideas and it was actually watching Ancient Apocalypse that changed my mind, particularly the serpent mound episode. After watching Ancient apocalypse I realised that you could literally attach any meaning to any monument and call it whatever you want as Hancock has, however there's a problem, where's the evidence? I realised that Hancocks work is entirely speculation that can't be dis-proven rather than evidence that can be proved, a lot like the ancient alien theory. I've always loved history and archaeology ever since I was a child watching Time Team and my parents had taken me to castles and hillforts in South Wales growing up. I was extremely happy to see you calling out Hancock for not s***ing in his own back yard and not claiming megalithic sites in the UK as evidence. I was also happy when you pointed out that "we do not find evidence of a lost civilisation 12,000 years ago, but we do find hunter gatherers". The real world of archaeology is far more interesting and exciting than the speculative fiction. I'm glad people like yourself, Stefan Milo, Milo Rossi (miniminuteman) are putting yourselves out there and calling these people out. I can tell you that seeing and handling real artefacts is way more amazing than imagining things you cant prove. Personal highlights for myself were seeing the book of kells in Ireland and seeing DaVincis handwritten notes. I wish more people looked into the amazing things we know about. if you took the time to read all of this, thank you. keep up the good work! maybe i'll spot you around st.fagans one day haha,

[@misztong]

Hey man, just wanted to say it's really touching how you talk about your dad and him being your influence. He must have been a great dude, so sorry for your loss (however long ago it might be) and I think he would have absolutely loved your appearance on Rogan - you had to debate two man-made stones! Great to see people so passionate about what they do. Best of luck.

[@TheNahmate]

I actually thought JR was pretty nimble and quite open, although he couldn’t seem to accept that interpretations of photos (esp. by non-experts) can’t count as ‘evidence’. GH, on the other hand, the less said the better … FD did incredibly well: he was fair with an interested layperson, and he managed to bat away the pseudoscientist’s nonsense

[@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC]

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.. but at some point it is evidence you shouldn't be wasting your time looking for something that *evidently isn't there.

[@carlpanzram7081]

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence if presence would be expected to produce evidence. If I'd told you I was a millionare, and you looked at my bank account and my taxes and found no signs of large sums money ever having been in my possession, you would rightfully doubt my claim. There is no evidence that I WASN'T a millionare, but the evidence yih would expect is missing.

[@brandonw.peebles4225]

If you had to summarize the whole debate, Graham was just repeatedly saying that that there's not enough evidence to disprove it while Flint was saying there's not enough evidence to prove it, and we would expect to have that evidence by this point.

[@wearethenightparty]

Yes, that's right. They remained at an impasse, however it was a good chance for Hancock to tell Dibble to back off and stop being so nasty.

[@rebirthoftheword7099]

Go to 17:21

[@simbamandi3545]

did you watch the podcast, evidence points to no lost civilization but the sites in Graham's theory are no more or less than they present themselves.

[@brandonw.peebles4225]

@@simbamandi3545 Yeah for sure

[@johnbeans2000]

​@@wearethenightpartyLOL.

[@Ashurbanipal7446]

I was initially on the side of Graham but you won me over. You excellently displayed your academic rigor by deeply expounding on nearly every topic that came up in debate and showed yourself to fully comprehend all of your evidence. At the same time i felt that Graham struggled to even articulate or even expound upon any of the evidence he brought forth. It was definitely amazing. But it is a huge shame that you did not get to talk about the cherry picking. I would have loved to have seen Joe's reaction as well as Grahams attempt to defend himself. His entire approach reminds me of the theosophic and anthroposophic movements of the 19th and early 20th century. It is just a giant mishmash of various contradictory things with the goal of generating whatever answer the individual wants.

[@historyai8877]

Unfortunately for years archaeologists and historians have been pretty bad at educating openly to the world what we know. The power of the internet has enabled people with little to no knowledge of what they are talking about to "educate" people. I find it hard to know where I stand on GH, is he being deliberately deceptive or does he just have confirmation bias. You did an excellent job Flint, you conveyed your points clearly and precisely that anybody could understand without needing a phd. Looking forward to more content coming from you! keep up the great work!

[@stednark2217]

Graham moved the goalposts from a lost, advanced, world spanning civilisation to a lost civilisation.

[@KasumiRINA]

"Lost advanced civilization" itself is goalpost moved from ancient aliens... and I mean, lost civilizations exist, problem is he's trying to misattribute everything to them. One example of a monument likely built by a lost civ is Stonehenge. We don't know who made it. It predates druids and Celts, let alone Britons or Anglo-Saxons. Hilariously, it's one monument Hancock DOESN'T attribute to lost civilization.)))

[@Deancousin]

Joe Rogan sent me! PS you made me change my mind once all the science and evidence was presented. Unfortunately Grahams case now looks extremely thin. 👏🏼

[@_MikeJon_]

I think a funny part was when you asked him why he doesn't think Stonehenge (or anywhere in Europe) was built by this lost civilization. He said something like "no advanced civilization worth their salt would build there." Basically due to climate. Yet doesn't he heavily imply they built their civilization here in the PNW? Clearly Joe had that impression, right? They didn't build in Europe... due to climate... but... the climate here was worse than many places in Europe... it was cold, dry and tundra. But hey, what do I know. Maybe they had bigfoot as livestock for their wool.

[@yugimotobutjacked3231]

Funny since that time period (10k-40k years ago) in Europe produces some of the oldest examples of figurative art and even some arguments for proto-writing in 8000 BC, confirmed tracking of animal breeding patterns in cave paintings etc.

[@KasumiRINA]

I think you're missing the point of this conspiracy: the only reason it exists is to claim brown people couldn't build anything and it had to be aliens. There's never a question of Europeans building something.

[@Berliozboy]

I'm glad you did this debate, both you and Hancock were new to me, the video just popped up in my feed. It's crazy to me the amount of people that are acting like this was a debate between 2 experts who just had differing opinions...there was exactly zero things on the Hancock side that I found convincing. I don't understand how people find him interesting. Granted, if Hancock is someone's introduction to these amazing human sites from antiquity then I could understand some attachment to him...but he's just so unconvincing, I don't even know how he gets to the speculative questions he's asking. It's all "well this looks crazy and I can't explain it, therefore it must be something no one can explain" and "mainstream archeology is all dusty old gatekeepers who block my area of inquiry." Even in the clip he uses for evidence of this, the archeologist, who found super old sites in South America and complains about North American archeologists, says how amazing and supportive the international archeological community was.

[@redhotneon9288]

I’m here from Joe Rogan, I’m a fan of Graham Hancock but hearing you debate with him was interesting, listening to the podcasts with you, Graham and Randall all have me interested in these different subjects like archaeology, geology and where we came from. I like Grahams Theory because it leaves mystery and the great thing about you two debating was with this mystery you brought evidence. I never realized you could find old remnants of seeds and date them that far back and it was super interesting to learn that archaeologists don’t just dig up sites and search for old structures and bones. All in all I enjoy listening to the skeptics, the theorists and the scientists with evidence of the past such as yourself. Like you said in any subject there are assholes but you are not one and Graham was fired up like he usually gets in these debates because of the mockery he’s received for telling people his theory. I would love to see another podcast with you, Graham, a back of colleague of your choice and Randal Carelson

[@BePatient888]

SHOUT OUT to POPPA DIBBLE! I am sorry for your loss Flint. Your father sounds like an awesome man. I watched the JRE debate and found you on KZbin. Consider me subbed, and I am donating to support archeology!

[@codymoon7552]

We know that Dibbles dad always pushed dibble to what he loged from what I have heard, truly he was a great man and father. The world is lesser place without him

[@darbycrash55]

Im on the ancient advanced civilization side and I just wanted to swing by and say thank you for doing the debate with Graham.

[@sirrichter5336]

U still on that side even after the debate?

[@rippedtorn2310]

Still? Can i ask why?

[@darbycrash55]

@@sirrichter5336 I am.

[@darbycrash55]

@@rippedtorn2310 Check out the quartz inclusion granite and dolerite vases produced in the tens or (probably) 100's of thousands.

[@darbycrash55]

@@rippedtorn2310 There is too much evidence of technology we cannot replicate. 1 small example, how did they get the granite boxes into the serapeum?

[@-Gumbo]

Well done Flint, great work on JRE. I'm certain you got Joe questioning Graham. I hope he has you back on your own to explain more about Archaeology, the processes and the method. I have subscribed

[@Sifisomabanga]

To be honest Graham claims were making sense to me.... specially those shiny granite statues. But Mr Flint lays it down and it makes so much sense....

[@paulisfat8077]

Exactly all the best mistruths are framed around the truth and easy misconceptions. G.H. seems like a nice enough guy but, he appears to be well aware of his omissions. Remember the face on mars and then we took a better picture? Wanna guess who wrote a couple multi-hundred page books about this and other "megaliths" on mars? I defy you to find him talking about this subject in any recent time.

[@stephencuffel4932]

My current Greek reading is Plato's Timaios. Anyone reading the account of Creation there should immediately know that it is not some alternate, possibly true physics deserving serious attention, it's just a story. Ditto the brief "history" (at the beginning of the dialogue) about a super ancient civilization. Plato puts the story in the mouth of a fictionalized Athenian who says he heard it from his grandfather who got it from Solon who learned it from a priest in Egypt, where it was written down ages before. That's six hands, counting Plato himself and whatever scribe supposedly recorded the story. Plato is all but saying, "Here comes bullshit, but I'm only telling you what I heard." I'm not sure that real archaeologists or historians should deign interact with the likes of Hancock, who are in it for the money. In my long lifetime I've seen the bestseller multivolume series The Lost Civilization of Mu, the blockbuster bestseller The Chariot of the Gods, and now Hancock cash in on the credulity of the masses and their desire for a better story than what scholarship gives. Let them live in their world, we will live in ours.

[@craigrathe2469]

What changed everything for me was watching the original 1979 Life on Earth by David Attenborough ... its a slow, almost painful explanation of all the evidence. And it blew my mind all the evidence that existed, in a long form series. After that, i viewed all the flashy doc series as entertainment, not education.

[@nilcarborundum7001]

Attenborough is and remains the best in his field… what a fantastic communicator!

[@woodsythedrugowl]

Hey dude, I love that Rogan brought you on. The podcast was great and I’ve enjoyed diving into your work after. I’m a new fan. I hope he brings you back for a 1 on 1!

[@stevepopplewell6448]

I really wish you’d have taken Grahm to task on being a guest on Ancient Aliens. I mean, he’s so easy to discredit. I wish you’d have gone for the throat and been done with it.

[@Hanzsolomusic]

@@stevepopplewell6448 anatomically modern humans made it to Australia 60k years ago...where'd the other 55k years go? Ah Wikipedia told you what to think😂

[@alexhudson-]

Sup Flint, regardless of all the hate you got for doing Joe's podcast, you did a great job.

[@bigsalad3936]

Dr. Flint Dibble, I was very impressed by you on JRE. I went in a little more biased towards your side after seeing all the debunking of Graham’s series on Netflix, namely by “Minuteman” here on KZbin. I love seeing how passionate you are of archeology and accurately recounting the past. I wasn’t happy with the comments on the episode not giving you enough respect. Your father would be so proud to see your passion and knowledge reaching this many people. If I could give some constructive criticism, I would suggest making a word document filled with slide # and topic so you could quickly Ctrl + F the topic to quickly find the slide containing the information that would be helpful in debunking the opposition. You have a new fan!

[@kennybobby201]

Stargate Atlantis, how do you explain that dibble?!?!

[@MossyMozart]

Fiction.

[@suprflyification]

lmao. Graham Hancock is so full of shit.

[@JA-gz6cj]

@@MossyMozart that's what they want you to believe..

[@JA-gz6cj]

@@sg24336 the elite

[@VindensSaga]

@@MossyMozart Alternative history, don't you know anything bro?

[@Brando-UK]

I think Mr. Hancock bit off a little more than he could chew. I bet he will no longer want to debate anyone on JRE.

[@TheLastHonestInfluencer]

Flint dibble VS Graham Hancock celebrity boxing match? Please make this happen

[@Brando-UK]

@@TheLastHonestInfluencer 😂😂😂😂 Flint is 3 times as young and probably a little heavier. You couldn’t tell because of his jacket he had on but he probably has 10-20lbs on Graham and that’s a guess. Only thing that would give Graham a punchers chance, well besides a punch would be the fact he has so much hate built up against archeologists and their profession as a whole because of the hate he claims they throw his way. Really I don’t know but I would think that Archeologists and Graham himself would all be so busy doing their jobs and just living there wouldn’t be time for all this shade throwing a mind shit talking. But who knows we may see a boxing match between them one day. It would definitely be entertaining. Well it would be entertaining or really boring because one knocked the other out with one shot. 😂😂😂😂

[@mnomadvfx]

@@Brando-UK From what I can tell archaeology is a physically demanding profession in the field. The most physically demanding thing Hancock has to do is get to the sites and point at stuff. He's not even carrying or using the camera equipment. He'd snap in half in less than 30 seconds against any field experienced archaeologist. "the fact he has so much hate built up against archeologists and their profession as a whole because of the hate he claims they throw his way" IMHO it's all an act. A well honed, decade long practiced underdog act to get sympathy from the masses to increase his sales. He's a grifter, pure and simple.

[@Subfightr]

Aw man I'm so sorry for the loss of your father. I'm very happy to hear he was such a wonderful man. RIP Pappa Dribble.

[@ediik96]

Shit man... I was a huge Hancock fan but you destroyed my illusion. Now I'm interested more then ever in archeology. Your channel is a real Goldmine for me now.

[@XanderHerman-y8j]

A tip for future research from someone studying history, find sources that corroborate. Graham Hancock was one guy trying to fight academia, but reliable information is usually used by the majority. A story that is believed by the majority of historians or archeologists is probably more accurate than one going out on a limb. Hope that helps you in your quests into archeology, this field is fascinating

[@dlmsarge8329]

Up until now Stefan Milo was the only archeologist I followed on KZbin but you've earned yourself a new subscriber!! Looking forward to seeing more of your videos!! Thanks!

[@dukebedford7600]

I've enjoyed Graham Hancock's appearances on Joe's podcast in the past and have to admit, I began watching the debate with some bias. It was rather quick that I realized Graham was pulling from some odd hypothesis' and emotion rather than from actual evidence. By the end of the debate it was pretty clear you had far better points and actual evidence. Great Job! While being a 'fan' of Graham, you were far more convincing.

[@rhouser1280]

The debate made more sense when you realized that Flint was working from evidence & Graham was working from speculation. It was a good debate, I thought Joe did a decent job of trying to keep it between the guardrails, but it did dive off here & there. Graham definitely had some animosity towards you but I can understand, if someone called said I was supporting racism & white supremacy, I think there were some Nazi references too, I would like to defend myself as well. Whether it was meant that way or not, that is the way I came across to a lot of people. I listen to Rogan’s podcasts a lot, hearing Graham & Randall’s theories on the past is really interesting & makes you wonder. When you find out a lot of it is either bs or exaggerated speculation, it’s like when you’re a child finding out Santa isn’t real. But it is very interesting learning what evidence we do have vs what we don’t. Thanks for going on & explaining from an archeological standpoint, what is known.

[@bennyanthro4891]

I agree. I may be biased, but as an archaeologist, archaeological research is a lot cooler than fantasy. The fantasy stuff though is what gets clicks and sells books because the fantasy stuff is what comes to mind when you hear the word ‘archaeology’. The line about discovering Santa Claus isn’t real hits close to home. As a young college student over a decade ago, I was brought into the discipline by the mythological stories of the Aztecs (my Nahuatl ancestors) vs Cortez. If only the Aztec magic spells could’ve helped against the invaders. But nope, there is no evidence of the spells working, in fact, the opposite happened. And here we are. Cheers to you🍻

[@magesentron]

Let's break down the list of people who think Atlantis is fictional: Flint Dibble, Me, Almost EVERYONE who has a career in science, Plato... Now let's break down the list of people who think Atlantis is real: AUTHORS WHO MAKE MONEY FROM BOOKS AND OTHER MEDIA INVOLVING ATLANTIS

[@harryrowe1599]

Flint, your dad would be so proud of you. What an awesome family! Well done on the debate , love your passion for archaeology!

[@M.A441]

Thanks for doing this. I had been waiting for years for a real archeologist to confront him on his BS. Thank you! It was flawless. Go for round 2.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Hey Flint, I found a channel called Atun-Shei Films that took a different spin on the debate you might find interesting. He thought you came out on top but also had many pieces of advice on what could have been much better. His summary is unique too because he correctly points out that debates are just for entertainment and the most "charming" person is usually the one who wins. Facts, evidence, and truth have zero to do with a debate. His suggestion is to avoid debates and debunks and instead flood the internet with facts, evidence, and truthful information. It's an interesting strategy but with shows like Rogan being so popular I'm not sure the strategy can work anymore.

[@nathanirby4273]

I love Andy from Atun Shei, I wish these guys would collab

[@0Icelord0]

I loved the title of Stefan Milo’s response to the JRE debate, Atlantis is dead. It’s the first time someone who is truly an expert in the field debated Hancock in a public forum. You wiped the floor with him. He had nothing to say other than, you haven’t looked everywhere, which is the same as saying we can’t say there’s no God because we haven’t searched everywhere.

[@0Icelord0]

@benny-schmidt hey flint here’s another guy you need to censor. I’d do it for you but you’re not paying me.

[@0Icelord0]

@benny-schmidt have you?

[@ET3Roberts]

You gotta get yourself a better fitting suit, it looked like you were melting into the one you had on during the Rogan interview.

[@andrewblackard3369]

I had a thought related to lost civilizations. I suspect that there is a lost sub-Saharan civilization. Currently there is no archeology to support this hypothesis. However, before earthquakes redirected the outflow of Lake Victoria into the Nile basin, it is thought to have fed an extinct sub-Saharan river that flowed west to the Atlantic. And all those people that migrated into the Nile basin in pre-dynastic times came from somewhere. Those people appear to have a fairly advance riverine culture. So it seems probable that they migrated to the Nile basin from some lost sub-Saharan riverine culture (civilization?). So maybe it is possible that more lost civilizations exist, in addition to the recently discovered lost Amazon culture/civilization. So to my point, does the lack of sub-Saharan archeology prove the negative case that no sub-Saharan culture existed?

[@luckyn40]

Just found your channel and hearing about your dad was great. Im so sorry about your loss ❤ i lost my father to cancer in 2022 and all we can ever do is continue to live on in ways they would be proud. Love your video and keep speaking real truth to these baffoons

[@lindenstromberg6859]

I feel like all you need is a history of the Peloponnesian War and a Greek philosophy course to be able to put 2 and 2 together and see that Plato is promoting his Republic from Plato's Republic, and criticizing Empire (particular Athens's empire in the Delian League). If you don't get this in high school, you'll get it in university if you have an interest in those courses. Or just read it on your own, Plato's Republic is an interesting book and the Peloponnesian War is one of history's most interesting wars, so it's not a hardship.

[@NORTH02]

Your performance was excellent. I really think logic and evidence shined light through Graham trying make the debate about comments unrelated to the discussion. Hopefully in the future other archaeologists will be able to go on the his show to show their findings or to debate. Overall, a huge win for archaeology and effective science communication. Also, North African and Saharan upper Paleolithic technology are amazing. I just love their cores and unifacial points. Even some really old burials such as the amazing site of Gobero. I would love to see some videos about North Africa/sahara if you are interested.

[@davidmartin2631]

On the ice age "civilization" shipwrecks: If there are any, wouldn't they be under at least 500 ft of water, since that's roughly where the sea levels were back then?

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

But we do find shipwrecks. And thus far none support Hancock and his idea. Just like how we keep finding hunter gatherer camps and not entire cities.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

@@seantobin6988 You want science to count shipwrecks that haven't been found?

[@MurphyIsMyLastName]

Great video Flint! Your example of his quote-mashing across pages separated by ellipses is fantastic-maybe the clearest indication that he's far more of a writer/artist than a scientist. Also showing just how much evidence of OTHER civilizations while there's none for his proposed one is quite convincing that his hypothesis is one that has been given far more attention than it deserves. Like, yeah, it would be cool if that were the case, but until we have any evidence, I think his storytelling is only convincing to those with very little prior knowledge of archaeology (and respect for the scientific process). Thanks so much for your efforts and for getting the message out to the masses, the recent decline of science literacy and critical thinking is extremely concerning, and one can begin to feel bummed out.

[@willstorm8331]

Thank you. My imagination still has a lot of engineering questions but the social scientist in me is really glad your yelling out.

[@lutherdean6922]

I love Graham Hancock it was a great debate

[@russellmillar7132]

I had waited for this for a long time. Great Job! I'm an old guy like Graham (early 70s) and am very familiar with his tactics. Graham's only argument to counter the lack of evidence for lost blah, blah culture, is that the lazy archaeologists have just not looked in the right places, or haven't been thorough in their searches (argument from "you cain't prove it ain't"). I hoped that you would have humored the old duffer by continually driving home that you are not dismissing the idea of a lost blah blah culture, but that there has, as yet, been no material remains discovered. Graham doesn't have theories, he has claims and accusations. Did you notice how he seemed to take credit for the development of LIDAR technology? "When I was there with the archaeologists, we sent up a drone...". This guy (GH) is slick, affable, smooth talking, and has the ability to persuade the gullible of just about anything. He will site an archaeologist in a slim minute if he thinks it supports his ideas. He will then turn around and decry the way some have dismissed him as if by some dogmatic, knee-jerk, having been indoctrinated by the monolithic scientific establishment. I suspect that he really likes any criticism. Feeds his David and Goliath scam. He loves to recount how certain researchers were dismissed for presenting findings that ran counter "archaeological orthodoxy" only to have their ideas accepted later after independent verification. He obviously fantasizes that, like them, he will ultimately be vindicated. I enjoyed hearing that he accepts that the Egyptians of the old kingdom actually built the pyramids. It was weird, however, when he, in the same breath, in a very animated fashion, questioned that they were able to move and lift "60-70 ton blocks of granite". My response to him would have been: "Just because I can't figure out how they did it, doesn't mean they didn't do it!".

[@francescakaime3597]

There is plenty of evidence to support Graham Hancock Gobekli Tepe and South American civilisations

[@francescakaime3597]

Ruins under water in the Black Sea Pyramids all over the world Unexplained architecture in India Why are archaeologists not keen to study these features with open minds????

[@russellmillar7132]

@@francescakaime3597 If it were not for archaeologists, we wouldn't know anything about any of the structures you reference. But when you say: "with open minds" what do you really mean? If someone doesn't buy into the "lost civilization" narrative does that mean they are closed minded? I'll bet you haven't dug any deeper that watching guys like Hancock, Carlson, Jimmy (not so bright), Ben from UnsupportedX etc.,who will all tell you that archaeologists are all closed minded because they don't agree with their unfalsifiable assertions.

[@jbackell8781]

I just finished your JRE with Hancock and wow. I am so completely amazed at both the amount of knowledge you possess and your ability to share it in an understandable and engaging way. The difference between Graham and a real scientist was eye opening.

[@weethree2070]

The Sunken City is the stuff of legend in many cultures, as part of the general plethora of flood myths. These must have developed out of the frequent changes in sea levels and their development is completely rational and normal! They have been mythologised into an archetype and a general sense of „loss“ - also understandable. From there it’s a small step to imagine the „loss“ was of something huge and wonderful, which we can’t get back. If Hancock were to limit himself to discussing the psychological and cultural importance of such myths, I’d be fine with that. Why does he have to insist on bringing a utopian ideal into reality? And trying to force the issue? He ought to be smart enough to realise that he will not find any acceptable evidence. He should really leave that side of things to the archaeologists, rather than spending his time and energy insulting them.

[@Sam-jx8tv]

I'm so disappointed that all Graham seemed to want to do was smear you. I was on the fence about a lot of this stuff but the fact that you wanted to debate the actual evidence and science and he wanted to cry and avoid the evidence spoke volumes to me. Thank you so much.

[@MythVisionPodcast]

You did outstanding dealing with Graham! Keep up the great work!

[@Ultimate_Hater75]

The fact that an Archeologist is named Flint is very perfect.

[@strawbs2828]

Anthro major here! Love to see you sharing all of these resources with people and taking advantage of the platform you’ve been given! All of this is making my heart warm, and I’ll be definitely be digging deep into all of the channels/podcasts you listed!! Thank you!!

[@nathanirby4273]

You really ought to collaborate we with Dr. Justin Sledge from the channel Esoterica! I wanna see yall do some ancient dark magic

[@JoeMancinik]

I’ve been intrigued by Hancock’s ideas for a while. I found your evidence of ice cores not showing domesticated agriculture in the Ice Age to be pretty damning. The fact that Hancock had no response to this point makes me pretty skeptical. He had no satisfactory response to your questioning of the fact that this supposed civilization transferred agricultural knowledge without evidence of agriculture. I appreciate your courage in appearing on the Rogan podcast in the face of such skepticism.

[@craigsurette3438]

PS your refutation of Hancock's taking of his quotations of the Edfu texts out of context is "chef kiss" brilliant.

[@captainflint89]

Hi Mr Dibble , I am a flintknapper from scotland and i reproduce lithics from the european stone age . i used to believe that there was a slight possibility there might be something to hancocks theory but during some simple study of the continuity of lithics from the very early paleo to bronze age , i was able to leave behind the notion of atlantis or a lost universal civilisation . some things still bug me though . the clear effort to deny earlier than clovis sites in the americas is a major one . Hueatlaco warrants further investigation and i would like to hear your thoughts on this . Also there seems to be a "sterile layer" without artefacts between clovis and pre clovis . would this sterile layer be evidence of depopulation in certain areas and could this be evidence of cataclysmic events in the region ? in scotland for example , on the east coast , there is a layer of sand and debris consistent with the tsunami that sank "doggerland" this layer contains little to no artefacts apart from organic matter . to me it looks comparable to the american "black mat sterile layer " . i may be wildly mistaken and i would love some clarity on the points i raise . one major thing that took me away from hancock was the assertion that clovis people simply "disappeared" . i know this is bollocks , the lithic technology evolved into cumberland/folsom and dalton technologies and beyond .

[@tobiastho9639]

Suggestion, try a Lavalier mic for better sound? Aiming for leveling around -6db for speach shuld also improve it, the peaks could go up to 0db. For example Milo Rossi got one from Rode, gifted by a viewer, and it really improved his sound.

[@tobiastho9639]

@@AnuddaGoy maybe you can send it to his university? Or better contact him first? Would be greatly appreciated!

[@chrimony]

Probably not the mic, but the echo from hard walls. All people doing Tube seriously put up sound deadening on their walls.

[@FlintDibble]

I will start a fund to get a better mic

[@MossyMozart]

@@FlintDibble - You're not a super-rich archeologist like Graham Hancock is? You wasted your time getting an education? Silly! //s

[@Revelationscreation]

@@FlintDibblestart a fund? You can get a relatively good mic for a hundred or less.

[@saltytree729]

I’m a massive fan of archeology, I’m a farmer/ I also study plant science and have a BSc in agronomy, are you familiar with a town in England called Wallsend? We have some of the best Roman archeology I don’t know the word for it but you should get yourself over here to Northumberland, our Roman fortresses and rich history will blow your mind it fascinates me every day! Was always on your side and even more so after than interview, you smashed him.

[@j.f.fisher5318]

I for one really _like_ the idea of limited ice age civilization because we had a degree of behavioral modernity back 70 ka and the Congo basin and the plains that are now the Java Sea and Arafusa Sea were probably great places to have a civilization during the ice age. Not Antarctica, which I think is Hancock's idea. But there's no sign of it, and more importantly, it looks like despite a degree of behavioral modernity developing around 70 ka it seems like something big shifted with the elder dryas. People don't develop agriculture because they can but because they have to and even in the ice age Africa probably had too much reaily gatherable food to force intensive agriculture. Outside of Africa there's a theory that humans were eating the stomach contents of big herbivores to get an already-gathered nutrient-dense source of plant food. I suspect the loss of that was a vital spur to agriculture.

[@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks]

Atlantis of the Gaps. The evidence is always where you haven't looked yet. The world needs more channels like yours. I recommend improving your audio first which will result in the audience being more receptive of your message. Talk to Miano he recently improved his significantly

[@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks]

​@ScrewdriverTUNING I completely agree...Hancock says exactly where to look...it's in your imagination

[@Scribe_Studio1]

Hey Flint. New fan here from the JRE. I thought you did awesome on it. As someone who likes Handcock i have to say you did well explaining why some of his ideas are wrong. Props to your dad for being awesome as well as raising you well.

[@RussellOMara]

You should remember when Graham Hancock started he was just a writer working for a economic magazine he himself said he was just exploring things that mystified him I just believe he's been overcome by his Fame of talking on stage all the time

[@texanfilms]

Such great work from so many different angles. I’ve become very familiar with European prehistory from around 40-10 years ago and it’s so frustrating to hear all this noise about a lost advanced ice age civilization when, as you said, the real science, the real stories are so fascinating!

[@joebob7730]

The man. The myth. The legend. ITS FLINT FUCKING DIBBLE!!!

[@mdc2461]

I learned so much from your appearance on the JRE podcast! Just subscribed-keep posting great stuff, my friend!

[@Andy_Babb]

I can’t stand Rogan but was happy to see somebody with some real experience and education In archeology and history on there debunking the nonsensical bullsh!t spewed by Hancock and his ilk.

[@disciplebill]

I had a great time watching you and Graham. You're both very passionate and I truly enjoyed listening to both sides of the argument.

[@thegb9228]

Well done Flint! Rogan is such a tool. I love listening to Hancock, because of the Fantasy element. I wish they let you finish your sentences. You did great, and them questioning your factual evidence shone a light on Hancocks grift and Rogans gullibility.

[@rogue1049]

LETS GOOOOO FLINTTTTT!!! I love what you did and how you did it, good man!

[@Andy_Babb]

“The real sh!t of the past bc I’m here to give you the real sh!t” - Flint Dibble This is why I listen to Flint Dibble. No bullsh!t while talking about the _real_ sh!t!

[@Andy_Babb]

@@ScrewdriverTUNING Tell me you have no clue how dating artifacts or archaeology as whole work without saying it. Thing is, archaeology and science isn’t afraid to change with new evidence - if it were, we’d still be hunter gatherers praying to the leopard god. New technology, techniques, evidence from new digs, new studies on older finds, they all lead to more accurate understanding of our past and the world around us. Youre right, I don’t just take him at his word. I don’t have to, he provides evidence and cites sources.

[@t.a6159]

you did and an amazing job representing archeological community and science as a whole. bravo sir.

[@cucch13]

You’re a great teacher. You have an enthusiasm talking about archaeology that i wish you were my professor. Also the admiration for you’re dad is nothing to be embarrassed for. You’re dad sounds like the man and he definitely raised a great som.

[@AxisMundiAlpha]

he is spreading fake-news and claims as facts.

[@Jewclaw]

Yesss… omg an uninterrupted talk by the man himself. New fan huge fan. I’d watch any and every episode of you breaking down more of what you were saying on Rogan without interruptions… and I’d watch much much more as well What’s interesting is I went into the pod thinking you were some self absorbed “my dad was an archaeologist” archaeologist lol Maybe 15 min in I was getting frustrated any time you were being interrupted and anytime you brought up your father it felt you were just proud of what your father had accomplished and you have your own accomplishments. I now see you as a man dedicated to craft who knows his stuff! Well done

[@kurtlee3198]

an hours long debate on ancient history on arguably the world's biggest platform and got millions of views, plus i think a lot of people learned new things from that, defo a win for science no doubt

[@r.m8146]

Hey, professor. New subscriber here from Destiny's podcast. I would really love if you consider putting all this amazing information in a 180º VR format because it would be incomparably more immersive and intersting. Science teaching is the one type of video that would benefit immensily from the popularization of VR headsets because it makes the content much clearer and easy to grasp. I'd probably watch several hours of your lectures in this format. Thanks.

[@FlintDibble]

It's a good idea and something that could.be fun to work towards for sure

[@adamparslow9220]

I loved both your JRE talk and that it's opened up the fascinating world of your work that I can educate myself with. Even more so though...I love how much you love your Dad. He must have been such a great guy. I only live in Chepstow, I'm going to keep an eye out in case you do any public lectures in Cardiff! Thanks Flint, truly.

[@cb2bkef4]

Loved your Rogan episode, new subscriber here!

[@slackerpope]

Good for you! I've been waiting for a real scholar to take that smug creep down.