The Agurin Drama

[@adamdecoder1]

It's so funny seeing high level players have completely different views on who was playing well in this game. Nemesis glazes Agurin's gameplay until he's DRENCHED, whereas Doublelift takes a fat steaming dump on his performance. Dom thinks the Bard is absolutely disgusting, while Caedrel thinks he's an innovator who should be praised. League remains entirely subjective up to the highest levels it seems.

[@youknow-vy1pe]

As long as you destroy the Nexus you win. Many different paths to get there. Some really hate some of the paths.

[@ASSASSIN79100]

TBH his Zyra mechanics weren't great.

[@winthropandrews2674]

But you also have to realize that those opinions are not equal. Doublelift played comp for over a decade where he was the best in his region, won LCS Championchips, went to worlds where he mostly held his own against the best in the world. The other three not so much. Nemsis, Dom, Caedrel, any other streamer/entertainer does not have the same weight as doublelift when expressing an opinion. Not that it isnt valid, but take theirs with a grain of salt.

[@Hidea98]

@@winthropandrews2674 Ok, what? At least Nemesis has the weight to comment on this if we're looking at their competitive qualifications. For Dom and Caedrel there's an argument as well maybe not to the same degree though.

[@MrCoolstar224]

@@Hidea98 legitimately no argument for those 3 bums to have their opinion weigh more heavily than DLifts.

[@vorisodan4627]

8:55 the real delusion is saying someone who got rank 1 on 3 different servers one of them being korea called a bad player just because how he clicks XD, this is not a rythem game where u get lp on how fast u click to reach blue buff.

[@marcb5356]

true :D this dude better play osu

[@Shaggy87781]

not to mention its zyra, its not a high APM champ lol. you leave plants down and its more about spacing/plant positioning rather than high apm

[@Helmut-cc2pc]

@@Shaggy87781 "i can tell by the way he clicks" 😂😂😂

[@blixey]

like he's way better than doublelift, that's for sure...

[@alies-]

DL is so freaking objective, that he saw Maphite die to TRYNDAMERE lvl 1-2 and didnt say shit about it. Bot was hard loosing as well, Agurin got soft inted in every lane and there was no chance to win it. There might have been in lower elo, but not in this one

[@Arkooms]

I hope DL realise this is not the same as getting a sylas support 12:20 it’s more similar to having a support leave level 1 and never come back to lane, obviously he would get dove every wave or force to back away from every wave, sounds very playable!👍🏼

[@harstar12345]

And there's a reason no one is doing this strategy in high masters... It's not the same, you can't adapt to that, you can adapt to this, it's been the strongest meta in the past, leaving adc to get dove on cool down has never been a strategy. Piss off.

[@zym6687]

Why do none of the people looking for context just listen to Arguin in the champ select? He clearly thinks the game is not playable before champ select is over and still ego last picks Zyra into those comps knowing who bardinette is. He's a better player than that he knew before the game that it's unplayable for zyra. As last pick he is supposed to counterpick the enemy. Arguin griefed himself before the game even launched.

[@Luckypants2113]

Cause it’s irrelevant. The topic is going afk, doesn’t matter how unplayable a match seems. If he had that sort of attitude before even loading into the game then he can dodge and lose the LP. But a shitty team comp doesn’t in any way excuse him deliberately leaving the game. By going afk instead of dodging he’s saying that his time and effort is more valuable then anyone else’s.

[@Wingsaber]

​@joshzickus8394 The point is that Agurin had a plethora of ways to make that situation better for himself but he chose every wrong option and then afks

[@crazy75able]

@@Luckypants2113 Reading comprehension brother

[@NukeOverlord]

​@Luckypants2113 work on that comprehension. He's criticizing Agurin, not defending his afk

[@LiiiKeAbOzZzZ]

​@@Luckypants2113He got full on trolled by bardinette, the point yall dont understand is that it doenst matter what agurin does, His Game is over so either he towerhugs which basically is being afk or He afks

[@conneryechout7143]

None of this matters besides the Mac n cheese with beef, i bet that shit was bangin

[@Arkooms]

HAHAHAHA i love how he judges agurin on his mechanics when hes rank 1 on every server he has played on including top servers like korea, when DL is stuck masters korea and taking months to reach challenger in NA what a joke😂

[@harstar12345]

His zyra mechanics are dogshit, he's not trying this game, but they are terrible. Looks like a silver outside of the krug steal.

[@UnyieldingGuy24]

@@harstar12345 and you are?

[@LiiiKeAbOzZzZ]

​@@harstar12345why would He try this Game is lost by championselection

[@Shaggy87781]

@@harstar12345 didnt he hit rank 1 with like a 70% wr on zyra jg as one of his most played?

[@wyboycowboy]

But did he play as a pro on an actual team for 8 years or is he just a twitch goblin crying on stream for money?

[@rhylton881]

if you queue up you agree to play 15 minutes trying to win. if you wanna ff at that point then start a vote, if it fails you keep playing to win. it's a competitive game mode; don't understand people defending this

[@outdose9997]

Nah dumb ah logic, peopl3 enter games trolling. Why wastw the effort when you can just give up and save it for the next game

[@cjcammy01]

@@outdose9997 save what for next game its not like if you trying to win then the game after you dont know how to play the game anymore and dont come and tell me bc titen bc he/you will already being titile if you whent afk

[@Luckypants2113]

@@outdose9997 lmao trying to win a video game is so exhausting right? No the truth is if you afk when your team doesn’t want to forfeit then you’re just selfish, inconsiderate, and a shitty teammate. That’s the kind of attitude that makes league so toxic. Your time isn’t any more valuable than anyone else’s.

[@Foyahxd]

​@@outdose9997that is probably the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

[@robenriven]

@@Luckypants2113sure, so if i have people literally trolling and saying no to just make it more painful i should play the game, right....

[@simplyharley7639]

Although I think he should honestly should have dodged in champ select. He was tilted even before the game, and you can clearly tell he was emotionally involved even before his redbuff got taken. I don't think afk Roaming bard in any game should be viable and fun for literally any jungler.

[@rudirotten2689]

funny how hes calling a rank 1 jng bad and celebrates it as "we are back" when the bard top gets the kills.

[@blixey]

"give something up" Do you think he can play Zyra while giving up half his jungle? like this guy is fucking clueless about any jungle mechanics at all. And you decided to ignore the fact that all the lanes are losing?

[@DPSM914]

its really simple actually. pretend you are on the team, not bard and not zyra. which one are you more mad at?

[@Jay-vu6ng]

Bard. Hes not playing his assigned lane

[@haibangi]

@@Jay-vu6ng without context this might be true (specially in lower elos) but this particular guy is an OTP bard top with 55% wr in GM in 400 games. he sends powerpoint presentation of his playstyle every lobby and in high elo people are aware of this guy.

[@Joja19]

​@@haibangiThat barely means anything. The bard in this comp (especially with his play style) is terrible vs the enemy comp.

[@haibangi]

@@Joja19 are you stupid? the streamer literally says if he's not playing bard/taric he has emerald level. would you rather him play darius first time vs 1k challenger?

[@harstar12345]

​@@Joja19it is completely fine. Bard Pyke synergy is unreal, bard zyra synergy is unreal, bard vs renek is rough, but it's okay, bard isn't interacting with him 😂

[@SGyru]

I need this talked about with Meteos and Sneaky along with DL all together and about the Nemesis reaction as well.

[@hollyneo]

afking is never justified unless its IRL problems

[@crazy75able]

NPC opinion

[@babooskii5710]

@@crazy75ablename one

[@stamythezombie]

​​@@crazy75ableoh no, you wanna give up on a game because you aren't having your way... Not our problem, only child. Don't play if you can't accept defeat gracefully.

[@crazy75able]

@@stamythezombie I didnt say any of that and you assumptions are wrong, what else you are wrong about I wonder

[@crazy75able]

@@stamythezombie So you think having 4afks in your team isnt enough justification for going afk?

[@umekigoe7784]

if you watch his gameplay from the perspective of an ADC it’s simple. He doesn’t know how to play weakside and he’s not willing to sacrifice farm meanwhile good things are happening on the other side of the map. Jglers wouldn’t understand because they are the ones who usually create strong/weaksides, not the ones playing around it

[@McRuessel]

Dude, Agurin gets Rank 1 on every single server he plays - To say he doesn't know how to play weakside is ridiculous.

[@umekigoe7784]

@@McRuessel doesnt matter what rank he is, junglers dont know how to play weakside… because they always choose who gets strong/weak side. HanQL is rank 1 in china as an Ez OTP, you think he is just as good at playing frontline?

[@spamaxsoowy3654]

he definitely knows, sometimes ur just brain afk lvl 1. He is tryign to carry so needs full clear and he on zyra.

[@poolofstuff]

@@umekigoe7784 I'm not claiming to be an expert, but i think you are trying to simplify this way too much. Topside 2v2 is a massive part of your autonomy as a jungler, especially early game. That is to say, if your toplaner is an enchanter into renekton, you have absolutely no prio on topside as jg. The enemy jungler clearly understood this and so did agurin. im not saying hes justified for babyraging, but simply saying that jungle is the only deciding factor on weak/strongside and as a result they don't understand how to play around it is boiling the entire concept down way too much. I don't think it's a "jg players intrinsically dont understand map prio." It's simply a case of a mental boom. Everyone has days where they just aren't having it and you cant use this one example as an excuse to generalize an entire role.

[@nosc_c]

It's an ADC take. He knows that he should farm for 20min and hope his team is better, and that's about what he knows about high end League.

[@hellothere2407]

Fully agree with Double's take. I'd say Agurin is 100% to blame here. Yes, off meta picks can be annoying to play with or against, but that doesnt give you an excuse to afk. Bard didn't really do anything wrong in this game,whereas agurin is running it down from minute 1.

[@Skaterptater]

yeah leaving top and giving renek all 5 plates and first tower gold(buffed btw) is perfectly ok! no wrong doing by the stuck master bardinette !

[@charlieScene393]

sure dont afk but holy hell that bard is garbage

[@wilhoroshak6253]

AFK in these games or just dodge when you get Bardinette. Bardinette deserves all the reports, he can’t force the team game to revolve around himself, while feeding a massive top lane proplem. 5 players, first tower gold, inhib at 15, enemy teams just need to ignore bard and just scale. The problem is Bard wins by forcing fights and making the enemy team fight him and chase him. It’s a coin flip and Bardinette just relies on getting carried, and Masters 400LP isn’t high elo.

[@dogLover12352]

doublelift talks as if he is bronze in this clip thinks killing rene is good when he has 4x kills, and then pyke gets x2, as if those kills are useful in comparison to the kills in enemy champ. smh.

[@Gragas339]

He died alone over nothing bcs he was mad, not bard fault, bardinette is actually very good that’s his playstyle and he climb like that, he stream too

[@wyboycowboy]

FF Culture in League is so rampant, especially at higher skill levels. People give up so fast and their defeatist mentality often does more to make the team lose than them dying or some one playing an un-optimal pick.

[@jimlahey9122]

Imagine DL playing with this bard and enemy toplaner is 4levels ahead with 11csm gl

[@fredlilie9151]

Love how DL thinks he knows the State of the jgl better than Agurin who has 20k+ Games in jgl. The Game is definitely lost at the point agurin afks, the problem is that he actually does afk. Tbs, agurin rly has to work on his mental.

[@BraveKnight999]

Yeah idk why he don't flash , maybe he thought bard can kill them all and save him , right?

[@MrMedia4you]

I get your sentiment about AFK'ing but I feel like part of your analysis on the game lacked context perhaps. 1. Zyra need's to be near her camps for her seeds to spawn, its a pretty tight timing, so he couldn't be elsewhere (if goal is to get red). 2. Flashing lvl 1, maybe he could have survived (probably), but he loses red either way so its pretty pointless. Since enemy has no top laner to face, knowing your flashless, they'll both just invade you anyways. 3. He cant just perma avoid top camps as zyra (hyper farmer). Overall their comp is just pretty bad, but I agree he shouldn't have AFK'd. But bard forcing his strategy is equally as bad imo.

[@ProxyQt]

agreed, both of them soft inted in different ways, both should be punishable

[@haibangi]

you're wrong for all points. flash is always worth for 400g what do you mean? he just types and theres literally zero reason to flash here. imagine someone doing this in a pro game.? he would get flamed for ages. no he doesnt lose red because he just back and his team is still here, even if it wasnt the case he can still ivnade their red or atleast wraiths cause zyra has insane clear and one of the fastest in the game. no way their jg can clear top and go straight to wraiths/red without it being done already. 3.what do you mean perma avoid top camps? on his afk death he has full camps bot why would he go to Q wraiths? hes just tilted from previous games and his behavior is showing.

[@kalakan123]

@@haibangi then they flash after him what do you mean?

[@haibangi]

@@kalakan123 if you're more than silver, you know everytime that if he flashes before renekton E1 or after E2 he never dies, specially with a bard on him with 3 walls around. there's maybe a 5% probability if 3 of them flashes and if agurin flashes after E2, brand has Q start on cd and E has 20sec cd E on cd, which either way would be worth 3F for 1.

[@dieselvonderdorf6916]

@@haibangi say that too agurin ranked 1 in more then 3 servers :) silver stuck talking like he has a clue. HAHAHAHA

[@egesemet7063]

Your face when they mentioned nubrac😂😂😂

[@bighova09]

I personally don’t give a shit if it’s top 25 on the server or bottom 25 on the server. Punish em the same way and be done with it. Either make the offense so egregious that it ACTUALLY discourages the behavior or don’t do shit about it for everyone. Have someone review the footage and if they can determine that he was being “soft inted” then punish both but regardless the answer is not “AFK ITS OVER”

[@Toge98]

All pros have different perspectives on this game, but for some reason, I tend to trust non-NA players more. (NA chall is D1 EUW)

[@surfcs5991]

try not to be a braindead euw player challenge (FAILED)

[@Gragas339]

@@surfcs5991he’s totally right on this na chall is like master euw

[@surfcs5991]

@Gragas339 ye that's why every chall player on na easily gets chall on euw Cluegi. Challenge failed lil bro.

[@Gragas339]

@@surfcs5991 yes you're so damn right (no) you're prob talking about few famous players like tyler1 (he struggled but ye he got chall)

[@surfcs5991]

@@Gragas339 name one chall na player that went to eu and didn't hit chall.

[@GotwaldTheFifth]

the thing is that game is actually doomed, even if he flashes he has to start botside and path towards top where there is no laner, he will just be down whole topside for entire game.

[@gemmamarie1756]

Never heard of this guy but talking about agurin like that says a lot about him

[@babooskii5710]

Agree. Takes/reasons from SOLOqueue demons like nemesis and agurin are terrible because they focus on the individuals game being ruined rather than realizing it’s a team game and if your teammates are trying (regardless of your opinion on their strategy), you have the obligation to also continue to try. Especially if a ff vote isn’t accepted. Seems like they get to high elo by being selfish, which is definitely an okay thing to do, but take it too far by justifying reportable offenses like afking

[@Foyahxd]

I don't understand how people can watch that level 1 play by agurin and side with him. It's just delusional.

[@srthwsrth]

Because you lack the game knowledge You dont even understand whats happening Its like teaching rocket sience to a toddler

[@babooskii5710]

@@srthwsrth please, enlighten me oh great one.

[@Foyahxd]

@@babooskii5710 "rocket sience" 😂😂😂

[@BronZa115]

Rank 1 euw korea is being flamed by a player that can't even hit top 10 in na 😂😂

[@alvaromarina5240]

it would be lovely to see DL play with a roaming support and play 1v2 for 15 mins against an oppresive botlane, and see if he reacts like this again.

[@Gragas339]

You talk shit, not a roaming support here the bard queue up as toplaner, this is bardinette playstyle Also supports should roam yes lol what are you on

[@alvaromarina5240]

@@Gragas339 you are not getting the point. The point is that Agurin got perma 1v2d or 1v3d because of bardinette trolling with his stupid playstyle. I would love to see DL playing perma 1v2 or 1v3 and not complaining at all, and see if he likes it

[@Gragas339]

@@alvaromarina5240 how the jungler have to perma 1v3 if he have a roaming toplaner? watch all bardinette games, the toplaners just stay on the lane and farm, they don't go perma invading 1v3 jungle or roaming on others lanes, on this clip it was 1v3 witjout the top (look renek is still top) he died to hit his camp even tho he was 1v3 that's his own fault he was tilting also guess what? this playstyle was and is still "meta", remember magifellix? zilean mid perma roam leaving the lane alone? it's even worse than top since midlanners can roam on both lanes and they are mainly assassins with dashes and/or CC

[@Gragas339]

@@alvaromarina5240 sorry for editing my msg i got confused with smth else at first

[@alvaromarina5240]

@@Gragas339 if you check the vod, you see agurin getting perma fucked because he has a BARD TOPLANE that is useless since lvl 1. Any master toplaner can abuse that has free lane and get the farm and invade. Also, renekton invades lvl 5 because he has free time. Maybe is unlucky that he got invaded many times, but that doesn’t take away the fact that roaming bard toplane is a troll strategy. Bardinette forces 4 people to adjust to his own gameplay, that’s totally disgusting. Not even mentioning that leaving a bruiser champ get free gold and xp most of the times will make that champ unstoppable. Regarding MagiFelix, you can compare a proplayer that has reached Chall in every role and multiple times rank 1. He clearly knows what he is doing and his strategy makes more sense because he es playing a peel champion that is USEFUL and at least clears some waves.

[@sho76und3wd]

@3:41 for the TLDW

[@harstar12345]

My favourite video in the past like year. You don't understand how tilting it is to see people cry like babies about this shit when everything was kinda okay... People flaming bardinette whilst he crushes their peak elos because their favourite top players say they don't like it. League is a cult, istg not a single player thinks for themselves.

[@kalakan123]

8:12 i well document going singed smite support perma roam by coinflipping teams and if i dont get to play my champ i int

[@Flossylearner1]

😂 you act like this would matter for someone like you who will be stuck somewhere between silver and diamond 4 regardless.

[@itsmark6831]

No one would care if the guy picked bard top if he actually landed. I don't think letting the enemy top laner get 3 towers and an inhib for free can ever be justified because you are coinflipping the other side of the map that you might get an advantage bot. Also riot purposefully nerfed roaming top picks and changed support item cause they don't like that being in their game. Agurin has no options here cause he cant invade enemy redside with no mid prior and all kill gold on his team is on bard and pike, which are two useless champs in this game with gold. Brand can perma invade top side being that aguring doesn't have a top laner and his midlane malphite is autofilled and losing to trynd mid. His botlane isn't hard winning either. The bard strat is completely coinflip

[@FishieUwU]

and agurin single-handedly guarantees the loss by going afk... no matter how you try to justify this, agurin still afk'd the game lmao

[@itsmark6831]

@@FishieUwU what win con did his team have that game ?

[@crazysnill]

@@FishieUwU Agurin threw after Bard threw. You should not be forced to play out a 4v5 to your fullest ability. It is worse to make a 5v5 a 4v5, like Bard, than make a 4v5 a 3v5. Zyra jg deserves this tho.

[@FishieUwU]

@@itsmark6831 idk how about not having an afk at 8 minutes to start?

[@FishieUwU]

@@crazysnill it's not a 4v5 because of bard tho? because the bard IS STILL actually playing the game, unlike agurin past minute 9

[@KimiRaikkonen123]

Watching the early game makes this even worse lmao

[@BenTheKidd]

bro don't eat the spoon 12:56

[@iplayfifasadge]

I'm gonna off meta pick every game from now on! 😊😊😊😊

[@blindfire3167]

Imagine being known as "The German TFBlade" but still having people side with you just because they think the Bard is full on trolling lmfao. He didn't do anything wrong, just annoying to play with, but still winnable, dude just tilted himself into believing there's nothing that could be done because he's a little banana nut muffin.

[@redcast104]

@w1se_w0lfgenerally those people didn’t one-trick disco nunu or whatever to my elo/mmr… if bard is trolling as hard as you say it’s a bit weird that he reached d2 playing almost only bard, isn’t it?

[@Raidenovich-rw2wm]

@@redcast104 This is literally singed OTP all over again a guy years ago got banned because he played singed support proxying and taking waves from mid bot top etc and people used the exact same dogshit argument "Well uhm excuse me if he can reach d1/master doing this then he deserves to be there! 🤓"

[@xmultycapx124]

@@Raidenovich-rw2wm Only reason he was banned was "refusing to communicate with team" and "refusing to work with team.", because he didn't communicate/explain his strategy in champ select/chat. That's a reason why most of the weird picks nowadays have corny powerpoint presentations.

[@iplayfifasadge]

Nah AFK is justifiable. Because he did get his punishment. If he wasn't punished not justifiable. But he was. Both got punished

[@TheBunnyrum]

He ruined the game for 9 people.

[@rasin9391]

After having watched so many of these commentary videos I think I now know what is going on with these weird opineons. LoL is g mame. When a person creates a strategy (even a good one) that teammates hate to play with then the strategy is bad for the game. Its a game its supposed to be fun thats the one thing everything revolves around. Its obvious here that argurin doesnt want to play this weird game he wants to play League as he knows it and every clip of bardinette I have seen shows at least one teammate beeing annoyed. But people like doublift dont notice because as professionals League isn't a game for them. The game making fun is not that important to them. They have a blindspot.

[@Onshin0815]

You have problems reaching challanger as i know. You look bad saying Agurin is playing bad

[@DrAmer1can]

My take is Augurin didn’t play well. I main Zyra jg. He’s making silver mistakes, (e’ing the seeds when enemy is out of range etc). Also DL doesn’t know but Zyras positioning in invade makes sense you have to be in a bush near your camp around 45secs or a seed will spawn and mess up your cds for your clear. Thus you have to place a ward if you were defensively around 40secs and get back to the bush. It’s very time constraining. Also in this meta giving up camps is terrible especially on Zyra. Also Bard missed q to stun and his e wasn’t great. If your top lane is perms roaming you essentially giving up 3 camps. Also if Zyra flashes to live she probably gets reinvaded and loses more. I agree Augurin shouldn’t ask and his mechanics were quite meh. But yeah that’s Jg perspective on this.

[@dieselvonderdorf6916]

bro you just talking shit. Wat you try to explain ? ne know 1000 times more then you about this Game. This why he is ranked 1 in regions ? you have no clue bro np clue "

[@datscrazy4095]

Tbh.. it’s so weird to see a Pro player watch a solo queue demon. Non toxic comms and play to win mentality, is heavily encouraged in team play because they actually talk to and have to interact with their team. Agurin isn’t used to actually having to care or play in a team setting despite the game being a “team game”.

[@puvid3]

100% support DL take here.

[@McRuessel]

listen to this schmock... =D

[@kacecrimson8297]

I think that bard is sus but I am never defending someone who afks. fuckem

[@xlexed2583]

some things i agree and disagree i agree that typing mid walking instead of flashing is troll, he probably did that because he was already tilted from his team not covering bushes. still no excuse to do that. He should just flash here and go reset into botside. About the afk part i think doublelift is right here afking is not okay especially as a streamer even if u have a roaming bard top just play it out try to ff15 if you really want to and if they vote no just keep playing because you cant change it anyway. About him not being mechanically really good and having bad clicks if you compare him to "any pro player" he will obviously look bad? he is not a pro player he is a solo que player that got rank 1 multiple times even in korea. i am pretty sure a LOT of people will look mechanicly bad compared to pro players His skill exceeds in macro not mechanics. he stated that himself long time ago.

[@tranquil_placid6324]

If you're going to blame another player for terrible play, you have to show that you tried everything. And play until 15 minutes and if things are still as bad as before, you can blame that player. But what can be seen in the clip is that he didn't want to play from the beginning and gave 1 kill to the enemy and typed to tell the team to surrender, which made winning the game even more difficult. Bard didn't even throw the game, he tried his way. For me in this case the person at fault is Agurin.

[@UnyieldingGuy24]

Bro how he even dares to say he is bad or doesn´t know him? Are they so delusional and living in their own Bubble up there? I even didn´t know him since the point he reached KR Rank 1. So how does a former Pro never heard about him? Tells a lot. It is like being a Professional Footballer but don´t know who is the winner of Champions League or something. I dont know

[@ntaprblem]

I'm his mind he lost the game in the loading screen bro said ff after 1 death

[@Shaggy87781]

id highly recommend watching nemesis' reaction to the game. i dont condone agurin going afk nor am i a fan of his, but he was getting blatantly griefed all game and his mid was filled. his mid also dies level 1 to tryn after being afk for the invade. no one held any entrances, no one covered him, and he only really messed up when he got picked going topside instead of botside (at that point the game is fully lost. the only kills are on bard and pyke) also 5:15 hes getting mega trolled. his mid somehow doesnt have prio in the best matchup in the game, his bard is out roamed by a renekton at HIS raptors. no shot this game was on him kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TFkmiaaN5papo watch this, i couldnt have said it better myself

[@ASSASSIN79100]

Nemesis take is not it though. Regardless of how unwinnable a game is, afk'ing simply because you don't feel like playing is a bad precedent to set. He's taking advantage of a lenient afk punishment system because it can't tell if you dc'd or afk'd on purpose. It just gives the impression that anyone can afk because they see someone on stream get away with it. The only time an afk is justified is if you have an IRL problem to attend.

[@Skaterptater]

@@ASSASSIN79100 tell me you're stuck in gold without telling me you're stuck in gold !

[@blindfire3167]

@@Skaterptater It's always hilarious seeing people hit platinum and believe they're just otherworldly to people 1 tier below them lmfao. Not even high plat either, so you likely get angry at teammates when you're the one making mistakes, you Dunning-Kruger statistic.

[@Shaggy87781]

@@ASSASSIN79100 I literally said in my second sentence that im not condoning it. he should be punished. HOWEVER, the people saying agurin played wrong or doublelift saying agurin is just griefing are actually full of copium. I am not challenger or rank 1 but I am masters/gm most of the time and peaked 600 lp as a jungle main so i think i can speak on this topic pretty decently. 1. Doublelift mentioning agurin could flash level 1 is delusional, ren can just follow the flash and that trade of flash is NOT worth it when renekton without flash vs no laner does nothing. 2. agurin went for a risky play to take back red but it was close, if he just goes bot then he loses his full topside and cannot even invade because he has no prio anywhere and loses 2 more camps (krugs and raptors) 3. agurin griefed going topside at the end yes, but the game was already lost at that point. ALSO even if agurin doesnt contest anything topside hes pretty much fucked. zyra needs alot of gold, so giving camps constantly just to stay alive is not worth it. 4. doublelift mentions agurin shouldve started trinket and not stood on red. this is simply not understanding how zyra jg works. yes he can trinket and swap to oracle (usually standard for most junglers) but zyra NEEDS to stay at camp earlier to set up her seeds otherwise she cannot clear anywhere near as fast and will certainly be behind tempo on brand for free. either A. agurin goes bot on repeat and loses all his topside and brand has 3x the farm and he bleeds out or B. he tries to flip the camps to attempt to get SOME semblence of resources (which he actually does a few times when he even got the renekton killed while invading him AND he got the raptors). basically his team fucked him. bard is an inter but IMO the game is majority on mid. malphite is into an excellent matchup yet is afk for the invade, DIES solo level 1 as one of trynds best counters, and then is never present at any invade.

[@Skaterptater]

@@blindfire3167 I have 2 accounts D1+ 57wr and i walk in circles passing your peak. It’s always hilarious seeing people try to have some moral high ground in youtube comments when ingrates like you could never touch me in ranked

[@ArmandAponteVideography]

bard top is reportable, jungle yorick is reportable, sylas support is reportable. as soon as that is locked in it should be auto banned. a long with this guy. because even if those other guys should be banned it jdoesnt justify afking. people who play bard top like this are literally just playing it to see ho many people they can get banned.

[@meatslab]

By the 8 minute mark when he wants to AFK, his top side had been trio invaded by top/jungle/mid three times already because his solo laners are straight up griefing. DL and the comment section want him to take his bot camps for 7 minutes and then FF. Agurin wanted to watch a stream for 7 minutes instead. Agurin wanted a real top laner. Bardinette wanted to play Bard instead. Everyone can't get everything they want in life all the time.

[@wilhoroshak6253]

Yall act like internationally griefing and promising to int feed on a 0% WR champion is allowed. That’s bannable and totally worth Riot intervening in low masters. You can’t play roam top support anymore it was nerfed, you aren’t trying your best if you can’t contest the lane you signed up for. Giving inhibitor and 3 free towers isn’t trying your best, Bardinette is coin flipping mid and not to get carried by them. Having a PowerPoint and screenshots of who praised the bard top gameplay is narcissistic behavior and honestly cringe as fuck.

[@HappyArchipelago]

Doublelift has no conviction behind his earlier words. You said HW ban for trolling undisputed, and now you act like you need to carefully watch the whole game, and give the softest answer ever of temp 2 week ban. You also don’t even address the reality of low elo when your teammates are not trying to win and boring to keep you in the game not cus they are trying to win but intentionally to waste your time. Why should those teammates receive respect? How are you wasting those 9 players time when they are the ones wasting your time?

[@Steve_R418]

Everyone wants to blame the bard player but he got invaded level 1, tilted, and typed go ff. It has nothinig to do with Bard

[@yhlee1205]

Funny how DL is shitting on one of the best EU junglers

[@ragex2636]

Doublelift your delusional lol, he doesnt get to play the game the way he wants, its 100% loss if u DONT play around the bard, the bard has absolute horrible win rate if people dont play around him like 20% win rate. Why does the Bard get to decide how 4 other people are FORCED to play the game?

[@spamaxsoowy3654]

doublelift is toxic everytime i watch lol

[@Blastizor]

Doublelift is right, Agurin is not accustomed playing in hectic situations. He wants to play standard ooga booga full clear and gank playstyle that takes no skill. This is why he got flamed for being a reactive jungler by Tarzaned and others. He's not really that good of a player overall, he just plays very simple. I get that he's hit rank 1 many times, but that doesn't mean he's an overall good player, most junglers refuse to play like him.

[@Luckypants2113]

Your time isn’t any more valuable then anyone else’s. If your teammates don’t want to forfeit then it’s your responsibility to keep trying no matter how unwinnable it seems. It’s a team game and your opinion or feelings about the match aren’t any more valid than your teammates. If youre soooo much better than your team then why are you getting matched with these people? Going afk like this is pathetic. You’re actually just an asshole cause you’d rather ruin the game for 9 other people cause you think your time is more valuable than all of those people combined. Every single league player has had a game they thought was completely unplayable and yet somehow your team came back to win. So there’s no excuse for quitting when your team doesn’t want to forfeit. Playing a team game means you agree to a social contract. It’s the same concept as living in a civilized town. If you can’t be bothered to follow basic rules and have basic consideration for the people around you then you’re just a selfish asshole. If everyone had the same attitude as this guy then the game would literally be unplayable cause every single match would have an afk player. If giving just minimal effort is too much to ask for you, then don’t play the game.

[@SkeletonHands6969]

Kind of interesting how the bard is actually grandmaster 700 lp, ranked 975 on the ladder. I thought any advantage he had from roaming was negated by giving Renekton free CS and plates, as well as allowing Renekton to roam on his own as well. I actually think Agurin is justified with going AFK here. There's a really fine line between what the bard is doing and someone who is trolling. (Not griefing, but trolling). The 2 kills bard got are negated by not only the free plates he gave renekton, but also how renektons roams killed his jungler twice.

[@haibangi]

no he's not? bardinette is 53-60% bard OTP 600+ LP wr depending on season if he plays literally anything else he just throws way harder. agurin is a crybaby and is in no way in position to go afk here LOL. tired of people not understanding theres different ways to play LoL, specially hardstuck silvers who criticize gm players.

[@witpickles]

How is this drama. Does anyone blame him. His career is playing this game and he runs into this silly shit all the time. Just like most other high elo streamers. How many of you out the have tilted so far that you didn't try?

[@vexacion9735]

Such a shit take by DL. "Roaming top is a good strat" yeah in like what, beginning of season 12? Theres a reason no one plays it anymore and thats cus Riot nerfed it out of the games. Theres nothing innovative about playing a strategy that has already been well documented as DL says that has also at the same time been nerfed to the ground. I can probably also queue ezreal jungle in D1 and by DL's logic it isnt trolling cus it used to be good 9 years ago.

[@haibangi]

hes not trolling, he has 57%wr in 500lp masters. its not meta but this guy otps it, if he plays anything other than bard or taric top he has emerald level, he said it himself. not playing the way he does would be way worse for his team.

[@dieselvonderdorf6916]

@@haibangi on 50 games or so its like nothing. its gone drop for sure 5 games that are not good its gone be aleardy at 50%

[@egozocker14]

How can doublelift be so condescending. Like he manages to ALWAYS get the worst takes on a topic. Just shut up if you don't know anything about the topic. Nemesis legit explains that agurin literally did nothing wrong and dl says that he played like dogshit lol

[@paulgrosser2324]

It's just ragebaiting you can't convince me otherwise, like no shot doublelift says Agurin played bad this game, while he actually played it good.

[@edisonlam6951]

So he should have just not flashed instead of typing to his team?

[@edisonlam6951]

Like playing dog shit asides it doesn't excuse the fact he went afk and should get punished for that. Who cares if he played like a god for 5 min straight

[@egozocker14]

@@edisonlam6951 watch nemesis video

[@FishieUwU]

hey quick question: are you european?

[@kerzu1947]

Never took double lift seriously when he flamed Tyler1 back in the day but didn’t keep the same energy online or in person because Tyler 1 had the most clout back in the day. This content creator game is so disgusting 🤮

[@TTTRRR]

It's a game.

[@BojanKordic]

Doublelift next level proving why NA is the worst region and why NA players are the worst out there I cant even 😂😂😂😂 he ACTUALLY SAID that the game is playable when roaming bard top has all the kills in the game 😂😂 and both mid and bot are losing lanes 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ ooh lord the NA talent ….

[@Flossylearner1]

Playable> winnable,but I’m going to assume English is not your first language. 🤦

[@Evan-ys2ig]

exceedingly rare W take from doublift

[@MrSyltphademus]

I don't know if you can say 'going AFK should be banned because it ruins the game for 9 other people (really 4)' because then we should ban everyone for having a bad game. Not saying Doublelift has the wrong take, but probably need better justification than that.

[@roshanpaul8548]

No, it DOES ruin the game for 9 other people. We want a competitive game, not a game where you just get a free 5v4 win. What's the point of playing ranked if you don't care about actually being better than your opponents? You actually have such a pathetic mindset.

[@roshanpaul8548]

Going AFK and quitting a game is entirely different than having a bad game. What is wrong with you? How do you not see obvious facts?

[@rhylton881]

it ruins the game for 9 people because people that actually care about playing the game don't want to get free wins from 1 person on the other team giving up

[@lodgin]

Maybe it's just me, the game is ruined for me even if the afker is on the other team. I wanted a real game, an honourable game. Winning by default because the other team has an afk is just boring.

[@EluManweSulimo]

Holy fuck, does he say anything worth hearing after he gets his food and makes this clip unbearable? 😅

[@xLaancer]

no wonder why NA server is so dogshi and eu is so much better :) defending trolls as a ex pro player yikes. u talk about a strat of 2021 in 2024 xD

[@arnestuddin7345]

NA > EU irl and in league 🤣

[@Shaggy87781]

@w1se_w0lf yeah this, also renekton just follows flash but renekton's flash vs a bard lane is absolutely useless whereas zyras flash is WAY more important. saving flash was correct here for sure