The ALMOST Perfect Drum Set for Churches

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@TheeDrumWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

I wasn't expecting to hear a shout out when I opened this video, thank you! 🙏 Great work on this. It's really interesting to get a review from your perspective and to see the kit in action. Hearing you hit those cymbals in that room is something else!

@StereoAnthony 10 ай бұрын

Well deserved Luke! You are alot of peoples go to channel for everything Edrums! Nothing against any other creators.

@j0rd13 10 ай бұрын

We recently switched over to a the Roland V-drum kit, but we kept our actual cymbals (a combination of Heartbeat Custom Dry and Dream Bliss) and it's been a killer combination. Really flexible I/O but we still have a natural stick feel for the player and a natural wash in the mix.

@Jrenglehorn 7 ай бұрын

Do you have videos? Very interested!

@jeffrufo6199 10 ай бұрын

Jake, your videos are not known for their comic styling but the beginning of this video cracked me up . Very nice!

@cgreentx 10 ай бұрын

We demo'd the kit at a local dealer last week. We were already reluctant on this option with the laptop, but the noise of the "metal" cymbals was a complete 100% roadblock for us. They actually don't feel any better with the metal tops, and we would argue that they felt worse than the Roland cymbals. As for your Dante Virtual Sound Card comment.... I don't think that the latency will work out there. You're already loading up the CPU with short buffers to keep the latency down on the kit. If you also try to run DVS with short buffers you're just not going to have enough CPU to make it happen. I welcome someone proving me wrong, but this just gets back to why the laptop is a less than ideal variable in the setup.

@j0rd13 10 ай бұрын

You are 100% right on the DVS buffer. There is just no way it will work.

@annasoH323 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for featuring these! I'm not sound tech-y or drummer-y enough to know the pros and cons of everything, but definitely love seeing what's out there!

@BSP1822 10 ай бұрын

We just got a Roland VAD507 kit. It looks real and sounds great!

@barrycomer3688 10 ай бұрын

I dislike the term “real” and the stigma of edrums verses acoustic drums. You do not hear this crap about guitars and keyboards.

@BSP1822 10 ай бұрын

@barrycomer3688 This is all about context. Guitars are a totally different story. It's not like an electric guitar is emulating an acoustic guitar. Keyboards vs. pianos are better compared, but unless you're specifically only emulating a piano sound, it doesn't matter. Most people are building multiple sounds (pads, synth, pianos, organs) into one sound. You can't do that on a piano, so it's not the same. Keyboards are standard. For the most part, the main reason to use an electric set, at least for me, is to control the sound in smaller rooms and simplify setup by not having to run mics/cables. A lower end kit does not look appealing or professional on stage. The REAL shells make a difference for the look on stage forsure.

@therealcalebrz 10 ай бұрын

The tech is super cool, I think once it gets fleshed out and brought down in price (after early adoption) then it could be a big hit for church’s that want drums but literally can’t, even with a shield and everything. Unfortunately due to cost, you could still get a decent Ludwig kit fully mic’d with a full enclosure for cheaper then this E-kit.

@oysterhead5150 10 ай бұрын

Exactly, the price tag alone is not worth it. Besides I enjoy Ludwig over DW any day ;)

@joshonthekit 10 ай бұрын

@@oysterhead5150I recently heard Ludwig is a part of Dw now 🤔

@airzillarocks 7 ай бұрын

If electronic is desired, go hybrid with Heartbeat or K Custom Dark cymbals that can be managed a bit better volume-wise - I've played such a set up and it worked well even in a smaller venue... \m/

@LusuPakki 7 ай бұрын

My 2 important questions and I'm searching for answers everywhere are, 1. How to mix and eq individual tracks in FOH and for in-ears 2. How to record multitrack along with the other band instruments and vocals via mixer like how we record normally?

@riccardomarx4380 10 ай бұрын

Is it not possible to use real low volume cymbals (the ones with many holes eg. Millenium Still Series Cymbal Set ) and amplify the sound with microphones around the cymbals?

@PhilHenDrums 9 ай бұрын

Sadly the low-volume cymbals mostly do not deliver a pleasing musical sound. They are useful for quiet practice to develop drum skills, but don't give a musical sound that could just be amplified to serve the music. It could be possible to put a trigger on them to drive cymbal samples, but clean triggering would be very difficult.

@chaddonal4331 10 ай бұрын

Jake, that was a great, honest review. Well done. A couple quick things: Thanks for mentioning "C-weighting" for your SPL readings ("90-95 deciBels"). However, it's best to reference A-weighting for worship (better following the way our ears hear). C-weighting is a great corollary for checking bass balance (as approx. 6dB higher than A-weighting, is generally a "balanced" mix; a bass-heavy mix would be more like 10dB higher than A-weighting, and less than 6dB increased weighting could be considered a thinner mix). Also, in the live worship demo, the kit didn't sound balanced. The kick sounded odd, the cymbals sounded thin. Is it difficult to dial in a full and balanced kit sound on this kit?

@PhilHenDrums 9 ай бұрын

I've played this kit as well and another deal breaker for me (like with every other e-kit) is that the drummer is limited to only using sticks. Creative drumming is expanded these days with rods, mallets, brushes, hands and other ways to draw a wide range of sounds from a kit. Yes, there are many sound samples available in the library, but the nuances of using creative sounds comes from the very playing techniques and implements used to make those sounds. Using sticks and a "brush" setting on an e-kit is like telling a guitarist to swap out their guitar for a Guitar Hero controller. We need to teach our drummers to play with nuance and feel and use the creative implements that are available in the acoustic realm; then we don't have to resort to making them play imitation instruments.

@meptwal 9 ай бұрын

The reality is you can’t get drummers to play with nuance, even if they have the best intentions. When the room dictates, drummers should be willing to take one for the greater good. Guitar and bass players give up their amps on the regular. I know that’s not as big of a change as e-drums, but your comment about the guitar hero contoller is way off.

@eyesolatedrock 10 ай бұрын

They’ll probably come out with a stripped down rubber cymbal option eventually. Either that, or the Roland kits will upgrade to wireless

@notforyoutube 5 ай бұрын

Why don’t you get an SPDX pro and get an acoustic electric drum kit and trigger your sounds from the SPDXPro? You should do a demonstration on this.

@prahladstrickland 9 ай бұрын

U ever try the premium Drum-Tec / Pearl mimic a try?, pretty awesome.

@jordanmiller4693 10 ай бұрын

Be worth checkin out the Adoro "Silent Sticks" as well

@daveblakney9674 10 ай бұрын

Drummer of over 30 years here… I personally am not a fan of electric drums, I am really against the sustain and dynamics that they have compared to an electric kit. My worship pastor has recently asked for us to make the change to this kit, and after some spirit searching I agreed to go to our local drum shop (Drum Center of Portsmouth, in NH) and try them out. I have to say that they are impressive in the way they feel and the dynamics and sustain have actually come far enough along I can close my eyes and almost believe I’m behind an acoustic kit. I’m impressed to say the least. I’m still against electric drums, but I’m willing to adjust for my team and their ability to improve online sound and production. I agree with the concern with the cymbals, he is not wrong… I would offer this suggestion for anyone considering the kit. Remember there are small glass, or plastic circulars that can be purchased for sound deflection, these may be enough to prevent the bleed. That’s at least my thoughts on our church design. Happy Drumming!!

@meptwal 8 ай бұрын

I appreciate your ability to take one for the team, very few drummers are willing to do that.

@StereoAnthony 10 ай бұрын

I love this new tech, and will probably hold off getting a new Ekit until we see what Roland or other companies do with this new wireless. I do wonder who decided it would be the best idea to make the cymbals metal. Its seems to be a major issue with most people ( I certainly would never buy them) with an otherwise perfect execution of this game changing technology. We'll see how long it take for them to change it. I'm sure the cymbal volume is a deal breaker for most people.

@brianr253 9 ай бұрын

the cost makes it a no-go for a regular church

@mikehines14 10 ай бұрын

Any details on the total latency? What about the wireless frequencies that are used, and are they adjustable?

@StereoAnthony 10 ай бұрын

Have a search for the DWe kits. I think the latency is sub 2ms. Its absolutely astonishing.

@peterblickle3d88 5 ай бұрын

Great Review! Thanks a lot!

@ThutoMotsapole 10 ай бұрын

i would say they sound great and are good if you can actually swap the cymbals for accoustic ones, in which case you still have to run cables for overheads - and have a very carefull sound aware drummer who will not mess up the balance between trigered sounds and accoustic sounds

@Churchfront 10 ай бұрын

Yeah we thought about this. I think it could work for some churches.

@meptwal 8 ай бұрын

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of going electronic? In my experience they cymbals are the problem, not the drums.

@Alex-xo2cu 3 ай бұрын

No direct output to mixing separately on sound board FOH ? :(

@ryanrobbins7711 10 ай бұрын

Wonder if it would be possible to put a rubber piece on the cymbal to silence it a little and still get the proper trigger response for the sound activation with the triggers?

@seancca 10 ай бұрын

They already have rubber on the underside, but it would also also impact the triggers too. There are a few videos of other people that have helped testing asked that.

@VdrummerStixx777 10 ай бұрын

In case you did not know Roland owns DW bought them last year I believe

@Churchfront 10 ай бұрын

i did know that! wow that will be a game changer and I image we will see swift development on this drum set.

@VdrummerStixx777 10 ай бұрын

They just added an update to the Roland TD50X to use these trigger with that module

@Thehybriddanceband 8 ай бұрын

Use the DWE with the Roland TD50 module. Then you can run rubber Roland cymbals.

@meandmyarrow 10 ай бұрын

For acoustic drums that won't overwhelm everything else, check out Parish Drum Designs - Joey Parish designed a kit specifically to not need shields. I have no connection whatsoever, just like how they sound.

@chaddonal4331 10 ай бұрын

Good to hear. Thanks for the tip!

@meptwal 9 ай бұрын

It’s the cymbals that are always the problem, not the drums themselves, in my (admittedly somewhat limited) experience.

@chaddonal4331 9 ай бұрын

@@meptwal Yes. Usually so. Sometimes also the snare crack.

@djspecialpaul 10 ай бұрын

Question --> If possible to complete "skip" the mixer , so I can use the FOH console e.g a Digico or so ???

@StereoAnthony 10 ай бұрын

The mixer he is talking about is just being used to output the audio from the Soundworks software. Any audio interface can work. He's using a mixer so he can assign separate outputs from each drum to FOH

@djspecialpaul 10 ай бұрын

Ok - thanks. So I can really pass by the "internal mixer" an send the audio signal like a miced drumset or ???@@StereoAnthony

@nelsontorres1694 10 ай бұрын

You can use lemon rubber cymbals.

@musicalstrategy8261 10 ай бұрын

hey.... emmm what lighting were u using?

@hiptoalieu 10 ай бұрын

I think there COULD be a way to use the inbuilt triggers, AND put acoustic heads on for the drummer's playing comfort...Don't mic it unless for "show" Use something like the Evans Hydraulics. ABSOLUTELY use acoustic cymbals!!

@carlostorres1171 10 ай бұрын

Also, I'd say laptop stand is the *only* proper use of a cajon.

@JGorg8 8 ай бұрын

Those cymbals are exactly why you see the photos of electronic drums inside a cage, and then people making fun of that because they don't understand how loud the unnatural noise of hitting the cymbals is

@icebergcustoms7593 10 ай бұрын

I can appreciate the idea, but I'll always stick to the acoustic as a drummer/church drummer

@WhirlwindDrums 10 ай бұрын

The perfect drum set for churches is to start with an amazing drummer

@LearnUkrainianwithVakulenko 10 ай бұрын

I thought, the frontman of band The Almost will be talking 😅

@18aprilia 10 ай бұрын

I've played $10,000 electronic sets. The mesh heads don't rebound like a normal acoustic set. And the drummers playing this set developed wrist problems from having to "lift up your stick" instead of relying on the rebound of a traditional head. My issue with electronic drums is you hear a "tone". You can't really tune them to a specific note which is very helpful in a lot of circumstances. Most people don't notice but professionals notice it right away.

@VdrummerStixx777 10 ай бұрын

The wrist thing used to be a thing on the older pads that where pretty solid to hit, like the late 80's, Tama and Simmons pads. I have been playing Roland Electric drums since 1994 where all the pads where rubber circles and have no wrist issues at all. The newer sets you can tension the mesh like an acoustic, most people think the mesh is to bouncy, and the cymbals move and flex more than ever.

@OffGridandOutdoors 10 ай бұрын

In some cases it's either e-Drums or a plexi drum condo. On our stage, which functions like an Amphitheater, and is very small, e-Drums are the only solution.

@barrycomer3688 10 ай бұрын

Drum-tec Real Feel mesh heads are as close to acoustic heads as you can get.

@OffGridandOutdoors 10 ай бұрын

@@barrycomer3688 good to know

@DbiPro 10 ай бұрын

Just tighten them without getting a high pitch

@rudolph_007 10 ай бұрын

Awesome 👍🏻😊

@burnbabyburn1 10 ай бұрын

most churches aren't going to spend 10K on a drum kit. lol.

@meptwal 9 ай бұрын

I’m curious why the wireless is such a big deal, an acoustic set has a whole bunch of mic cables hanging all over it. 🤷‍♂️

@SoCalVipers 10 ай бұрын

Those cymbals sort of ruin the whole thing because they use a proprietary system that makes it impossible to just swap them out. I suspect that metal would be nice because the attack is more similar to the sample you are triggering, and they would look a million times better. If anyone is old enough to remember Simmons pads, they were really noisy - like those DW cymbals. Doesn't Roland make edrums with shells? Maybe those would make more sense for your church.

@JustanEdrummer 10 ай бұрын

He said electric! ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡

@OffGridandOutdoors 10 ай бұрын

You lost me at batteries, wireless and computer. We got enough batteries and frequencies on stage now to worry about. Then computer ...

@pjcaps100 10 ай бұрын

Roland Vdrums the way to go if you want electric kit that looks acoustic

@OffGridandOutdoors 10 ай бұрын

Yeah we use a TD-50x kit and won't look back.

@DrumHood 4 ай бұрын

i love rubber cymbals..for real..

@on3orafter 9 ай бұрын

Get a baffle for the electric cymbals 😂

@MTBPerspective 10 ай бұрын

So many people listen with their eyes... Just look at the overwhelming number of churches that can't stand to see a keyboard so they gut an acoustic piano and use it as a keyboard stand. In light of that a lot of edrummers went to mounting various triggers inside real drums a long time ago and with a tiny bit of creative cable management, those are less noticeable than mics/cables all over a kit and no batteries/wireless points of failure. Those cymbals let this kit down - most of the time cymbals are barely visible to the congregation anyway and with some creative angle positioning they vanish on camera if you want them to. In any case, it is way better than trying to mic up an acoustic kit (usually done wrong and/or poorly maintained) and then vainly attempt to muffle it behind plexiglass

@MegaKrustyman 10 ай бұрын

I agree 100%. The "I don't like seeing the cables" argument is like, what do you mean? The microphones have cables. Now the cables just plug into the drums instead. It's not about the cables, they just don't like the look.

@xs-xb4ih 10 ай бұрын

boomers are still going to complain about volume with this

@oysterhead5150 10 ай бұрын

Also you forgot you to mention the very costly price tag of this kit, 10k is going to be way out of budget for most churches, with maybe the exception of mega churches that can afford it. DW needs to come out with an entry level kit for half the price, why was it necessary for them to make this kit out of their top of the line series (Collectors)? Besides all that, wireless electronic drums are new technology, I would wait several years so all the bugs can be ironed out.

@Dan_the_Great_ 10 ай бұрын

Yeah the drum is great for electric… but for that much I rather get a Dw collectors or performance with all hardware and cymbals.

@MrTrio5 10 ай бұрын

I just want to plug and play. Now you have to worry about adding a computer + Interface and configuration. Roland Electric Kit is the way to go. We Talking about almost $10K. That is just overpriced.

@churchfrontmatt 10 ай бұрын

Kind of agree. It’s a lot for what you get.

@AaronLevyDrums 10 ай бұрын

9000$ kit for churches. Sure, MEGAchurches. Not every church, that's ungodly expensive.

@aaamultimedia7383 9 ай бұрын

Cymbals. Literally the only part of drums mentioned in the Bible.😂

@DrewHuggins423 10 ай бұрын

Con: it’s $9000+

@churchfrontmatt 10 ай бұрын

MORE COWBELL!!!

@bagoezrocknroll 10 ай бұрын

👍

@musicjazzvez 10 ай бұрын

Nooo, no electric drums. A Drumer prefer acustic! Thank you for sharing!

@dis7142 10 ай бұрын

just put some rubber covers on them bad boys, if they will fit

@bacoraforever 8 ай бұрын

damn all these rich churches haha you would think they will help the ones that need it with that money and get a set that costs half and does the same

@aeiplanner 10 ай бұрын

Put rubber tips on the sticks.

@jesuhoviesadventures5138 6 ай бұрын

the church may not have the money to get it

@XcluZiveBeats 10 ай бұрын

Any e kit is a con kit.

@tylerscott9329 10 ай бұрын

Ick $9000 and the cymbals make a terrible clack sound. The only electric cymbals I’ve found to be quiet and work good are the Gen16 hybrid cymbals and the Roland Rubber cymbals.

@bradleonard1865 10 ай бұрын

Your washed-out, overexposed camera adjustments and lighting are SO distracting...

@cornholes 10 ай бұрын

yeah they got rid of their editor.

@RuXTaR 10 ай бұрын

Worship drummer? What's that?

@ПавелКохан 10 ай бұрын

The sound is not awesome 😢

@andrums93 10 ай бұрын

yeah I did not like it ... and also , the cymbals sound very wired .... I dont know , I still stick with acoustic and in my church I only use acoustic .... Gretsch Renown , Amazing kit.

@robrig55 10 ай бұрын

Sorry but on the demo, it didnt sound great

@Churchfront 10 ай бұрын

that's why I said in this video go refer to other great videos on youtube to get a better sense of how drummers like it and the sounds they create. What you hear in this video is the result of 10 minutes spent poking around DW soundworks and a raw multitrack of the kit.