The Amazing Spider-Man

[@0ctothorp]

Linkara you don't understand, people keep asking for Villain origins because back in 2014 you did an origin for that wall crawling menace in New York, a true criminal mastermind, I read about him in the Daily Bugle.

[@brannonhatfield1984]

J Jonah Jameson, what are you doing here? And how do you still think spider-man is a menace? from what I've seen he is doing his best to be a hero

[@dragonborn7955]

I honestly don't understand Linkara's constant whining about not wanting to do Villain origin stories. Like, why? They're far more interesting. He cries when comics don't ever change, but he'll then cry when comics try to change.

[@justanotheranimeprofilepic]

​@@dragonborn7955he wants to focus on superheros as that's why he reads comic books. He even explained here that usually heroes are more interesting in their first appearance than villains are.

[@romdan7136]

Exactly. I can't really think of any Villain Origins that actually do a better job introducing them than Heroes, but maybe I'm wrong.

[@OnDavidsBrain]

I would just love to see this train of thought "OH MY GOD Gwen is dead, my best friends dad is dead too and it's all my fault! How can I ever live with mysel...OOOOH NEW CAR!"

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

og god. the timing makes it beautiful

[@bthsr7113]

I think it might be a semi-voluntary development of bipolar tendencies to cope.

[@davidj.medinag.6524]

You think than that's weird, we got Man-Wolf almost roght after Gwen's death.

[@JohnnyElRed]

About the Punisher not wanting Spidey to die by falling from the roof... it isn't that surprising. In the 70's, he already killed people, but it wasn't as vicious as he has been portrayed in the last decades. There were instances of him letting go drug dealers with a stern warning because they were too young, or he had pity for their families. Heck, he even took a gang leader to the hospital once, so the police would take care of him.

[@bthsr7113]

That actually goes a bit of the way to explaining how he got a fanbase initially. Sure it's warped and distorted, but that initial empathy makes sense for people considering him good enough to root for.

[@Gaia_BentosZX5]

@@bthsr7113 That's also part of the reason why we are seeing a resurgence of nationalism. His fanbase misunderstood his motives and from there, were radicalized by the onslaught of right wing propaganda. So they wound up growing just as warped as distorted as the Punisher as the years go by.

[@pious83]

Yeah, this iteration of the Punisher is world's away from Ennis' Punisher. One that walks up behind a would-be mugger and casually snaps his neck.

[@Bismuth83X]

@@Gaia_BentosZX5 I remember in one comic, he saw some police officers with a sticker of his logo on their car, and he took it off, told them that he doesn't think the police should look up to or try to emulate him, and if there's anyone they SHOULD look up to, it's Captain America.

[@louisduarte8763]

@@Bismuth83X Did that happen before of after 2017's Secret Empire event?

[@DoomMomDot]

I have a "what if" where Frank killed Spiderman, and discovered too late that Spidey wasn't a crook, and then hunted down the Jackal. It's really good.

[@starhound45]

Link pls?

[@muhaoai4693]

Oh, I seem to remember seeing that one before. Wasn't that also the one where after Spidey's death Aunt May was blown up by criminals trying to get revenge by proxy? And Punisher gunned down most of Spidey's Rogues Gallery when they had a dinner or something in his honour?

[@kmexperience]

I had that one in the 90s, and I remember the part where the Punisher walks into a room where Spider-Man’s entire rogues gallery wants to give him a surprise reward for his achievement. So he gives them a surprise by wiping them all out! Ahh, it’s the most violent memories that stick with ya ...

[@KingVegeta300]

I had one too

[@jamesoblivion]

Still have that issue, as well. One of my favorite What Ifs.

[@Iamafishproductions]

Corona Motors: You're not goin' anywhere for a while.

[@bthsr7113]

In the storyline the spidermobile deal folded, and I think they actually went bankrupt.

[@majorfanboy2005]

Vaccine: Oh, really!

[@genkaiba15]

Our vehicles are all made 6ft. apart...

[@tjf42193]

My god this episode came out in 2020

[@MrThorfan64]

@@Thomas.Wright I know!

[@tomatoisjp]

Linkara talking about Harry: EVERYBODY in Spiderman comics could use some *therapy*. Me reading the comics right now: Yeeeeeeep

[@billygreci9739]

Real therapy. Not the misconceptions about therapy so rampant in comics.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@Mikhail G JUST THE MOST RECENT STORIES: Last Remains AND Sins Rising (that by the way in universe BOTH Together have been less than a week) would be more than enough for peter to be on therapy for the rest of his days

[@TF2Fan101]

What’s been going on in the comics recently? Outside of the Outlawed event (Seriously, Marvel, dial it back on the events!) and the hilarious joke that is The New New Warriors.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@TF2Fan101 Just talking about Spider-Man: - Flash thomson was killed by Norman Osborn - J. Jonah Jameson knows Peter's Secret Identity and from time to time tries to help. - Black Cat and Peter Parker are friends again. And Black Cat knows who peter is. - May got cancer but now is fine. - Kraven died but his clone-son has took his title - Robot Master and Gibbon died. - Gog Returned and now is Boomerang's and Spider-Man's pet. - The Demon-like Kindred resurrected Sin-Eater with special powers that let him absorb other villain's powers and let it share it with others of his "accolytes". ALSO, the way he absorbs people's powers, is by "taking their sins" and essentially brainwashes them into being good.. - Mary Jane ending up starring, and essentially directing and writing a movie alongside Mysterio - Sin-Eater raided Ravencroft to try to take osborn's sins. Spider-Man tried to stop him to save norman's life but was pushed too far by osborn (who nearly gets him killed) so he leaves him to sin eater's and kindred's mercy - that was a mistake as that endeed up unleashing osborn's sins in form of demons that possesed spider-gwen, miles morales, anya corazon, jessica drew, silk and madame web - spider-man had to make a deal with kindred to sapre his friends. kindred accepted and as part of the deal, kindred killed peter - - kindred resurrects peter but if only after torturing him with a vision straight out of the end of One More Day, and reveals to him he (Kindred) is Harry Osborn. AND you have catched up with Spider-Man. more or less

[@Odinfrost]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 What is it with Marvel's inate hate towards Peter? It seems he can't go one day without another trauma to haunt him for the rest of his life added onto the list.

[@HiperPivociarz]

I completely agree with what Lewis said on Jackal's appearence, which is why I much more enjoy the newer design where the Jackal is a man in an Anubis mask. Not only does it actually fit the name, Anubis is the perfect god to represent the man who brings people back from the dead in a way. Also, it's probably just a case of two different people coming up with the same idea, but I'd like to point out the first artist I saw come up with the Jackal Anubis look was Aitor Iñaki Eraña, also know as Terminaitor on Deviantart.

[@daelen.cclark]

If the MCU ever decides to adapt the clone saga (stay calm on that), you could have a very simple villain costume.

[@mathieuleader8601]

never forget Frank Castle teamed up with Archie Andrews of Archie comics fame

[@kimifw58]

And that's somehow not the weirdest thing to happen to Archie.

[@funkyweapon1981]

@@kimifw58 Archie is friends with a literal witch, so there's that.

[@zaneseibert]

And Eminem.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

He pretty much teamed up with everyone

[@ajclements4627]

@@zaneseibert I had blocked that one out lol thanks for the reminder I think.

[@ToonamiT0M]

It's official. Next year's Origins Month needs to cover the Spider-Mobile.

[@Iamafishproductions]

Considering it's a multi-issue buildup, I think it should take the primary spot in Event Comics Month.

[@richmcgee434]

Perhaps make it a vehicular-themed series, even. The Super-Mobile with its adorable little mecha-fists, the Arrowcar-which-is-totally-not-a-ripoff-of-the-Batmobile, the FF's Fantasticar...and of course US-1's rig.

[@morganyoung3557]

I never understood why Spider-Man would be so excited about that thing when web slinging is still a much cooler form of transportation.

[@ToonamiT0M]

@@richmcgee434 Green Arrow's "Arrow Plane"

[@richmcgee434]

@@ToonamiT0M GA's nowhere near cool enough to get both his car and his plane videos of their own. Maybe a single vid with the Arrowboat tossed in, though. Honest to gods surprised he didn't rip off the Whirly-Bat while he was at it.

[@misterabbadon977]

The Punisher: the most 90s character created in the 70s. 12:51 I wonder if Frank Castle hates Rock and roll

[@reynellfreeman8761]

more 80's than 90's if anything he was a inspiration for the 90's hero everyone was trying to be super punisher

[@ReedRichardsthemaker]

He doesn’t have enough lasers for that

[@BartmanBegins]

"Shhhh! Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting comic book weviewews. Huhuhuhuhuhuh!" This is one of the best title cards Dr. Crafty has ever done. XD

[@MonsterKing_97]

This version of the Jackal looks like a mix of the Grinch and the Green Goblin.

[@thatonea-hole]

Now I'm imaging a spiderman story basically being A how the grinch stole christmas type tale but with Green Goblin(Harry Osborne)

[@alexiaNBC]

@@thatonea-hole Okay, now that's a comic I'd read. It would a lot better than the entire Clone Saga

[@louisvictor3473]

@@alexiaNBC Close saga was okay until kaine showed up. It goes downhill really fast from there. But the early stuff with Ben and Parker? That was okay.

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

To me he looks like the Beast and the Green Goblin.

[@BaronSengir1008]

@@thatonea-hole Spiderman's Christmas, which was a coloring book from the mid-80s... spiderfan.org/review/comics/spiderman_color_large/christmas.html

[@chasemaddigan9810]

One of my favourite details about the Punisher's creation was that he wasn't the first "Punisher" in the Marvel Universe. Stan Lee had used the name before during the story-arc that introduced Galactus as one of his robotic henchmen. Since Lee thought the name suited the character and he was the head publisher at the time, he allowed Gerry Conway to use it for Frank Castle. And now you know where Cosmic Ghost Rider comes from.

[@muhaoai4693]

Primus, that makes so much sense! Galactus being all, "Oh, you were called The Punisher? I had a robot called that once... Okay, you're my new Herald."

[@JaelinBezel]

A ghost rider with the power cosmic driven by Frank Castle sounds ridiculously overpowered.

[@chaoticjusticezero]

@@JaelinBezel He is, the problem is that he's also got Deadpool's insanity.

[@chaoticjusticezero]

They used to do little "try-outs" like that a lot. The monster called Xemnu was originally The Hulk and there was an alien Magneto before the Mutant one. I know DC did something like that where a dry run of Swamp Thing was put into House of Secrets.

[@dandragon8595]

The fact that *"The Jackal"* was not instead named *Captain-Cloning* is a true shame.

[@qwellen7521]

The duplicator

[@johnnygyro2295]

Dupliking?

[@nate567987]

spoilers

[@jacobwilson8579]

Gonna be honest I would read a comic where Spider-Man fought a villain that can make clones of himself and shapeshift into other people better idea then the clone saga.

[@androzani84productions85]

According to a later book, his family were murdered by a jackal.

[@Caernath]

11:13 Looks like Linkara's cats work at the Daily Bugle! They're probably there to comfort the journalists during Jameson's regular rants.

[@wstine79]

"Those who do evil to comics - the Frank Millers, the Marvilles, the New 52s, Cheesey PSAs - you will come to know me well. Lewis is dead. Call me... The Linkara!"

[@kaicreech7336]

Cheesey PSA's are funny though

[@jrcarter9175]

You forgot Rob Liefeld and Gary Brodsky

[@funkyweapon1981]

@@jrcarter9175 Liefeld isn't really evil, just a bad artist.

[@muhaoai4693]

@@kaicreech7336 Yeah, and quite a few of them are genuine in wanting to give advice or help people. Of course, that doesn't necessarily make them _good_...

[@Morningstar91939]

Nice 2004 Punisher movie reference.

[@damienofthedamned]

The Punisher x The Jackal, a ship that died before taking off.

[@JD24tkg]

Unless...

[@damienofthedamned]

@@JD24tkg *Sniff Sniff* Smells like a slash fanfic to me lol

[@AlecDraven]

"And judging by the way they're webbed up I'm pretty sure they're actually all dead from the lack of airholes." It's webbing. I'm pretty sure it's made up of nothing *but* airholes.

[@benwasserman8223]

The Punisher: he has guns, wears a skull and hates when cops try to imitate his deranged schtick. Somehow we all love him for it.

[@Targisvear]

Word Do not most people like at least one story or incarnation of Punisher? None of us like all of Punisher but there is always this one side of him we can enjoy?

[@benwasserman8223]

@@Targisvear For modern audiences i think Thomas Jane and Jon Bernthal’s live action performances gave Punisher a bit of tragedy to why he does these gun-toting war campaigns.

[@serPomiz]

@@Targisvear I personally like the MAX version. the guy litterally only has his revengefull rage keeping him going, and without overwhelming superpowers, it makes more sense for him to still be around after the second mass murdering

[@tjknight]

Marvel Universe vs The Punisher, guy said fuck you to peace, cause he'd rather well..punish you for your crimes, and killed an icon. I loved that scene first time I read the comic, this non compromising extreme got my interest.

[@tjjordan4207]

Then again, we did love Jaime Lannister and Godzilla, despite how many people they've killed

[@JohnnyElRed]

Honestly, I think the Punisher is the first image that comes to mind when one thinks of the term "antihero".

[@gentlemanlygeeky4088]

Hey bub, there's also Wolverine.

[@griffen34]

Don't forget Amanda Waller.

[@JaelinBezel]

What about Batman?

[@ToHoldNothing]

@@JaelinBezel Or other Batman Family members, including Cassandra Cain to an extent and, from what I gather, Azrael, a somewhat more recent one (though I think around a similar timeframe to Cassandra)

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

@@JaelinBezel Batman's not an anti-hero.

[@carlrood4457]

You know Peter's self deprecating comment about his social life might be a bit more believable if he hadn't had beautiful women throwing themselves at him since he was 16. The whole "unpopular nerd" thing is about the most informed attribute about him ever. He has plenty of friends and dates quite regularly.

[@ZoanBlade90]

1:08 Ah, Cosmic Ghost Rider. One of (if not the) best characters to come out of Marvel in the past few years.

[@darkhelmet87]

Linkara: 4 issues after the deaths of gwen stacy and norman osboune, and we get a subplot about spider-man's personalized car!! Me: that'ts some good old fashioned tonal whiplash there

[@morganyoung3557]

I actually love the Cosmic Ghost Rider, his comics are rather interesting especially when he tried to raise baby Thanos to be a good guy and he still becomes a bad guy.

[@MeliesCinemagician]

I'm not sure, but I think that I read that this story took place early on in the Punisher's career, when he was considering being a non-lethal vigilante, though the Jackal was encouraging him to kill Spider-Man. So, on top of the Clone Saga, we also have the Jackal partly to blame for the Punisher killing people.

[@2wingo]

The Punisher REALLY has a thing about people dying by accident or negligence on his part, even people who he otherwise would have killed.

[@nate567987]

wonder how that started

[@bthsr7113]

@@nate567987 Judging by the Netflix series, it is to avoid being careless. He's incredibly violent, but he tries to keep it directed at specific targets worth wiping out. While I've only really seen that mentality play out with civilians, the idea that he hurt innocents in his crossfire shut him down completely.

[@Materminds187]

9:16 Missed joke opportunity: “And speaking of murder....”

[@RobertKeilOK]

Cameo by Pushing Up Roses?

[@bthsr7113]

When he is well written I think there is a place for Frank in Marvel's stables. Mind you, it is very easy to write him poorly, and out of place in a world with armored billionaires, monsters, mad science, magic, and gods. He's also the icon of a lot of bad people who think that violent vigilantism or regular extreme lethal force from the cops are A-ok in the real world. So I'd say let him graze in the pasture for a while, but don't plan on keeping him out there forever. He might still have a few good seasons in him. Edit: "Sometimes I wonder if that evil's rubbed off on me." Wow, that's a pretty good self-aware line for his first appearance. Works pretty well with the idea of the Punisher as a tragic monster. That he realizes his own sins, but feels they are still necessary, all the while worrying about going deeper and crossing those few lines he has left untouched.

[@ToHoldNothing]

I've heard the argument he should stick around, but not really be characterized as heroic, but tragic in his pursuit of "heroism". I think there has been a comic where he called some cops on that b.s. and was probably one of the more popular iterations that challenged the 2000s/2010s co-opting of his symbol for stuff that really doesn't make sense given his mission and background (he was never a cop, for 1, but also was never saying he was doing a cop's job, albeit he does seem to have the attitude of shoot first, ask questions later)

[@bthsr7113]

There was was indeed a comic where he chewed out some cops for idolizing him. He specifically said that they already had a role model, Captain America.

[@ToHoldNothing]

@@bthsr7113 Ah, I remember part of that. All this was me just reading a CBR article a few years back.

[@jadenbryant9283]

@@ToHoldNothing I mean he was a cop in the ultimate universe and in the thomas jane movie but those arent the main universe

[@ToHoldNothing]

@@jadenbryant9283 Would have to watch the movie again, but Wikipedia summary says he was an FBI agent, which is still different than comics, iirc where he's U.S. Marine, movie has him as Delta Force, which I think is more impressive even than a Marine. Weird how Punisher is practically the only Marvel character besides Daredevil or Elektra I retained the movies for, while Hulk and others, like the Ultimate Avengers movies got sold in 2018~, never looked back

[@the4thwallkid132]

Yet we'll never forget that time when The Punisher fought and worked alongside Archie in a crossover.... And yet it's still not as weird of a crossover than Archie vs the Predator It exists people, IT EXISTS!!!

[@maxman1602]

Or The Punisher fighting crime with Eminem.

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

THE WHAT!?!

[@maxman1602]

@@demi-fiendoftime3825 In the Archie crossover, Frank is tracking a drug dealer who looks exactly like Archie, and after an initial mistaken identity, works with Archie to get the druggie. In the Eminem crossover, Frank murders Eminem's bodyguards for no reason, then works with Eminem to take down the villain (Eminem wrote much of the story).

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

@@maxman1602 No I know about those I was asking Archie vs the Predator what the hell is that about 0_o

[@BaronSengir1008]

Batman also faced off against Predators... Therefore, either xenomorphs and Predators can travel through the multiverse, or the DC and Marvel multiverses are linked... Then again, the real world is Earth-1218...

[@aaronbourque5494]

For a time in the 70s many, if not all, of Marvel's comics were 17-19 pages. I think it was a cost saving measure. They didn't go back to the current industry standard--indeed, there technically WASN'T an industry standard, really, until--in the 80s. The "industry standard" of 22-24 story pages an issue really only got going when they started catering more and more to adult collectors and readers, and went past $1.50 an issue. Sure, there'd be books that HAD 22-24 story pages an issue, but those books often also had multiple stories an issue.

[@tannerprice2018]

12:51 Wow, haven’t dusted THAT one off in a while, eh?

[@meowistforlife]

Yup

[@Valdagast]

I wonder who would play the Punisher in the MCU? Keanu Reeves has done a damn fine job as John Wick, and a reimagination of the Punisher as a more slender, agile figure than the block of muscles he's usually portrayed as would be interesting.

[@NotesFromTheVoid]

"corona motors sponsorship" I realise it's just a coincidence but gods that's an unfortunate name

[@dr4c0blade]

You think that's bad, just look up what happened to Corona *Beer* when this whole mess started.

[@Rassilon42Omega]

@@dr4c0blade And then there is one of Linkara's longstanding Patrons, El Coronna, The Hat Which Brings Doom to All.

[@ToHoldNothing]

Latin and romance languages' long history makes for a lot of possible uses of the word for crown as it relates to a relatively modern classification for viruses like SARS (I believe the first usage for coronavirus was in the 60s)

[@NotesFromTheVoid]

@@ToHoldNothing interesting

[@MrThorfan64]

I thought so as well.

[@Gungelion]

Finally somebody says it! the fact that "the jackal" looks more like an offbrand green gobbling has always bothered me .

[@bizarroguy6570]

You know Frank has a lot in common with Namor; both started out as more villainous role, the keep flip flopping on being both pro and antagonist and crazy crap keeps happening to them like when Namor becoming and X-Man or a host of Phoenix or slave to Hydra or having an imaginary friend who tries to kill everyone leading to Cap and Winter Soldier becoming Atlantians....no series.

[@bizarroguy6570]

@Conrad Ferrus true, Frank is the craziest though I doubt that they could’ve seen both these characters go these routes.

[@michaelthomas5433]

The Punisher has "fan boy powers" which allows him to defeat any and all superheroes, despite him just being a regular guy with training.

[@daelen.cclark]

Same thing with Batman these days honestly.

[@ReedRichardsthemaker]

The difference is Batman has advanced tech and contingency plans and heroes with very exploitable weaknesses while the punisher is often written by guys like Garth Ennis who think being edgy and serious nullifies superpowers

[@Surikoazimaet]

Jackal should have been called "The Imp", or something.

[@tskmaster3837]

Sure, call him the Offgreen Imp, that wouldn't be any more derivative than he already intentionally was.

[@dvass7253]

Given how annoying he is the 90s Clone Saga, especially "Smoke & Mirrors", he should've been called The Jackass.

[@MrThorfan64]

The Troll? He does seem like a Troll.

[@JD24tkg]

The Green Simp... Of plenty in Spidey comics.

[@saintfisuto1072]

Or the Gremlin.

[@xcellentcreations3312]

Punisher: Garth Enis's most favorite character

[@Zezlemet]

To the point Billy Butcher is the same character minus the shirt plus british

[@thatonea-hole]

@@Zezlemet I thought he was cockney?!

[@ronburgundy244]

@@thatonea-hole cockney people are Brits. Being cockney just means you were born in a very specific part of the UK.

[@saidi7975]

And he's pretty Hit or Miss when it comes to writing Frank. Seriously, I prefer the Steve Grant, Carl Potts, Mike Baron, Chuck Dixon or DnA Punisher myself...

[@funkyweapon1981]

@@BigK13372 I thought it was Jesse Custer. JK

[@Insane-Howl-Cowl]

I wish they had made Jackal brown or even an orange-brown color, so he wouldn't look like a naked furry Green Goblin.

[@Nytemare2all]

I've always thought the early version of The Jackal costume makes him look like he'd be better off called The Gremlin!

[@aromusbaspet9032]

Professor Warren should have listened to the warning his doctor gave him about midnight snacks.

[@MrBlueSkyof1607]

Little did the Jackal know, there would be multiple clones of himself thanks to a dip in the pool. And his bright light allergy wasn’t doing any better, either.

[@floatingf8783]

16:07 CORONA MOTERS? Damn it, Linkara chose the worst possible year to review this.

[@cassie6146]

I was going to make a comment about the Punisher putting the Ass in assassin, but then Linkara started talking about the Jackal's design and it reminded me how much I HATE the discrepancy with his name and appearance. Naked, furry Green Goblin is not a good look. Heck, when I first looked into the Clone Saga, I thought that the Jackal *was* Green Goblin operating under a pseudonym or a similar villain like Hobgoblin. From what little I understand of his origins, Jackal chose his identity because his first successful experiment was a mutated jackal that killed his family and then he genetically altered himself to gain abilities of a jackal later. With that in mind, why not have it show in his design to make him more unique? The wiry build and pointy ears are a start, maybe throw in a snout or longer claws or even a tail. And for Pete’s sake, maybe try a different color other than green! There are so many green SpiderMan villains; Green Goblin, the Lizard, Scorpion, Doc Oc, Sandman, Mysterio, the original costumes for Electro and the Vulture. You could have Jackal’s fur mimic that of the real animal, brown with a black back. Or gold like the Golden Jackal. Or for something really bold, bright red like the dhole, an Indian wild dog that’s often called the red dog (not technically a jackal, but nobody ever said the taxonomies had to be exact). The design doesn’t even necessarily have to go into monstrous territory. Ben Reily’s version of the costume was just a red suit with a black Egyptian Jackal eye mask. It was simple and a bit silly, but also kind of stylish and if the mask was reconfigured into something like a helmet, it could have been pretty intimidating. Of course this is all purely from a design standpoint, Jackal's still a trainwreck in terms of character writing.

[@daltonwilliams1723]

I loved the new jackal costume from clone conspiracy. I'm honestly hoping another villian will just take over as the jackal and use that costume in the future.

[@l0stndamned]

Totally agree on the Jackal design. When I first encountered the character all I could think of was "so what has he got to do with jackals again?". He's not even old enough to benefit from the grandfather clause excuse for being green due to the old primary colours for heroes secondries for villains policy that were in use when a lot of the earlier ones were designed.

[@mitchellcowan2500]

Maybe they thought him wearing animal themed attire would be skirting too close to Kraven the Hunter? Plus didn’t Kraven do that whole splicing animal DNA into himself thing? Admittedly I got that from the Spectacular Spider Man cartoon so I have no idea if Sergei did that to himself in the comics.

[@daltonwilliams1723]

@@mitchellcowan2500 I don't think kraven ever did something like that in the comics. Never liked that creative choice either. Feels out if character for kraven to try and genetically modified himself to fight Spiderman better instead of just train better or use more clever strategies

[@cassie6146]

@@mitchellcowan2500 Potentially, but Kraven doesn't exactly have a monopoly on animal themed Spider Man villain costumes. Plus, Jackal having a canine theme would contrast pretty well with Kraven's jaguar aesthetic.

[@CazMeister]

It's interesting that both The Punisher and Moon Knight were introduced and have often been partnered with one another or, in cases where they're on a mission with other heroes, often banter with one another more than the other heroes they're teaming up with.

[@Link720.]

12:30 Vegeta: Too bad it's Sunday, those buildings would've been filled up tomorrow.

[@chrisbuttonshaw2088]

Frank must've been in one of the early grief stages because other than listening to Jameson 24/7 anyone would've seen Spidey was a good guy, because at this point he's been around.... 5yrs in-universe?

[@thatguywiththetripod8577]

I think this video's thumbnail might by my favorite one in a while. I can here the Punisher saying. "Shhhh... be very very quiet. I'm hunting comic book reviewers."

[@carloszapata847]

Stan Lee you can't have a hero called "The Assassin". Assassin's Creed: Nothing is true. Everything is permitted. Here you go Altair, Ezio and all the other Assassins.

[@kingofthegundam7974]

That's still what they call a member of an organization, not a singular hero.

[@nintendohandheld9556]

Shaun Hasting's did say: "We're not good guys, we're assassin's"

[@wilsonkierankitsune]

Of all the the characters introduced in either clone saga, The punisher is the only one most people care about

[@daltonwilliams1723]

What about Ben Reilly? I'm pretty sure cared about him.

[@aromusbaspet9032]

Come now, don't you think you're being just a little bit unfair? Who could dislike the storyline that gave us enthralling new characters such as Judas Traveller, Scrier and Spid ...er...cide... And now I'm asking myself which was the worse writing decision, The Clone Saga or this comment.

[@wilsonkierankitsune]

@@aromusbaspet9032 still the clone saga because you knew when to stop

[@wilsonkierankitsune]

@@daltonwilliams1723 I know some people do but I just said most people. I'm interested in Ben Reilly especially after reading the real clone saga graphic novel series but most people still just care about the punisher

[@ceebee9195]

This was my first ever Spider-man comic! Quite the introduction to a wide cast - Peter! Jonah! Robbie! Harry! Betty! MJ! The Professor! Oh yes, and the villains.

[@badman3000]

No one shall shame Cosmic Ghost Rider. He like one of the best Marvel characters and years.

[@ZoanBlade90]

No doubt.

[@daltonwilliams1723]

He just seems way too gimmicky. Really didn't like marvel having punisher taking over other hero identities like war machine and ghost Rider to make him more popular instead of just making him actually more interesting

[@CycloneShadowYT]

Okay I had to google who that was, and OMG he looks insane! He looks like an enemy from doom on steroids!!

[@badman3000]

@@daltonwilliams1723 he is not even the main Marvel universes Punisher comes from an alternate timeline. And he's live so long and he's not even really Frank Castle that we know anymore. If you read his comics and origin there's a lot of stuff to love you should really give him a try.

[@stevekoller3314]

He would be cooler if he weren't another version of Frank Castle

[@RickClassico]

To answer Linkara's question, no it's not a phone sex hotline (although it'd be funny if that was the writer's intention). More than likely Spidey crashed into an office's secretarial pool, they were a popular way for big businesses and corporations to have large amounts of paperwork done on the executive level. These pools basically went away as executives were made responsible for doing the paperwork themselves.

[@allsuper9268]

You know there’s actually a sense in the X Men 90s series where they call the Punisher assassin.

[@GreenGoblinsOckVenom]

It's a video game but yeah. I guess Fox couldn't use his name for some reason. Which is odd considering they later had cameos by War Machine, Thor, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, and the Avengers. They even had an episode in the last season where Wolverine fights alongside Captain America during World War 2.

[@PolarPhantom]

I mean, Frank could be adjusting his aim as Spidey dodges his rapid shots, and the idea is that his next shot will hit Spidey dead on.

[@emilyrae2850]

Last time I was this early this show was still on Blip.

[@mathieuleader8601]

in prehistoric times of the web

[@charleshockenbury353]

Was the Jackel *not* supposed to be a Green Goblin rippoff (in terms of looks anyways)? I just always took that for granted

[@CthulhuianBunny]

I think Rocket Raccoon described my feelings on Frank Castle perfectly in Guardians 1: "Oh, boo-hoo-hoo... My wife and child are dead. I don't care if it's mean! Everybody's got dead people!"

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Same thing with Batman and his obsession with his dead parents

[@2wingo]

@@Drums_of_Liberation Except unlike Drax and Frank, Batman goes out of his way to avoid anyone getting killed.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

@@2wingo Unless it's a kid he dressed up in short pants and pixie boots lol

[@spiderdoctor2269]

Stan Lee: There could NEVER be a good guy called an 'assasain' The entire Assasains Brotherhood from Assasain's Creed: are we a joke to you?

[@tjjordan4207]

Stan Lee: "You can't have the hero be called the Assassin-" Ezio Auditore: "Hold my hidden blade"

[@bunnybismuth]

12:20 "Egad! A bullet came out of his gun somehow! How did he know my one weakness?!"

[@paulgibbon5991]

"I was in 'Nam with this chimney. He led a whole squad to their deaths. And then he raped a bear. AND THAT BEAR WAS MY FATHER!"

[@bunnybismuth]

@@paulgibbon5991 DIS!

[@Rixec2]

Interesting to see how the Punisher got his start. Man, just imagine if Jackal ever decided to do a Punisher Clone Saga to get back at him.

[@bthsr7113]

That would be a warzone.

[@2wingo]

He kinda had one. There was a period during which Frank was believed to be dead and a whole bunch of Punisher knockoffs started running around until he came back.

[@louisduarte8763]

What would Jackal do, clone Frank Castle's dead family back to life just to mess with him?

[@pharaohyami5000]

I chuckled at the conversation skit as the cat stays where it is.

[@kmexperience]

I remember reading a reprint of this and being a little confused by how The Punisher doesn’t want Spidey to fall to his death. I assumed it was supposed to reflect on a part of his backstory that was planned but abandoned.

[@OverlyPositiveFanboy]

The best Jackal costume was in The Clone Conspiracy. Unfortunately, due to... plot developments, we're likely never seeing that particular outfit again after that storyline.

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

Did they come up with the design for the Jackal first? And then realised he was basically a green goblin, so had to reach for a name? I mean, if you came up with the name first there's surely no way you'd design him to look like that.

[@gota7738]

The thing about the rent is funny when you remember a previous issue mentioned that Harry was usually covering Peter's share...or more accurately Norman's money was. Who Harry thinks Peter murdered. Peter would have really saved himself a lot of grief if he took a moment to think about that.

[@cui8789]

Wasn't expecting a Fortunate Son reference.

[@BATCHARRO]

Naw, Jackals actually are just green kobolds so this checks out.

[@EHH246]

As you probably notice, Punisher is a little less lethal in his methods. He would use mercy bullets and the like. From what I understand, it wasn't until his appearances in Frank Miller's Daredevil that he became the Punisher we know today.

[@zeroryoko999]

Maybe I should make a Secret Origins bumper for Villains? Next year.

[@thatonea-hole]

Maybe, possibly, I hope so! I want one for Thanos!!

[@ShinyGaara65]

Hell yeah, man!

[@JD24tkg]

But just for truly essentials those that aren't just popular but important. Like hey Lex or Joker.

[@dvdreview7956]

Dat thumbnail tho The Punisher as Elmer Fudd

[@HobGungan]

17:32 It's almost as if the Punisher's ideology and moral code are inherently inconsistent.

[@JesseWFDusk]

The Punisher is an engaging character when he’s only targeting people he actually knows are evil, otherwise he’s a massive hypocrite.

[@MrThorfan64]

So is he just killing for hire? This is really at odds with what we know of him.

[@shadowlinkbds]

Fun fact; this is one of the collectable comics you can find in the 2000 N64/PS1 Spiderman game. Anyone remember that game? Still pretty awesome even after 20 years.

[@edward2962]

20:45 Back in the mid to late 70's, the average length of a comic was 17-18 pages. It went back to 20-22 pages around 1980-ish.

[@griffindor65]

I looked up the Spider-Mobile. I was not prepared for that.

[@jevazquez2]

As a lifelong New Yorker I can ensure you that abandon buildings were common during the time when that comic was published.

[@juliagoodwin9510]

Does anyone else find the Jackal irritating? Maybe it's his personality, maybe its the fact that his backstory and motivations make no sense... I just despise the guy. Say what you will about the current Spiderman cartoon, at least it had the decency to portray him as an actual scientist instead of just a science teacher... and also Gwen's uncle who has no romantic interest in her, thank God!

[@GradnLordTad]

Agreed. I actually like the new cartoon other than the fact that Peter still isn't telling any of his friends that he's Spider-Man other than Miles. Jesus, man. Just tell them. lol

[@chrisbuttonshaw2088]

Captain Cloning

[@markmyers6756]

The punisher is one of my favorite marvel characters but cops shouldn't put the skull on their cars.

[@罪のアリス]

"Are we the baddies?"

[@ToHoldNothing]

They had a comic where Punisher supposedly addressed that to some cops who were admiring him and talked about how he inspired them and he shut them up quick, saying they should never be like him. If anything, there are probably actual good cops in fiction you could idolize better, or even freaking John Rambo, though both he and Frank Castle are military men, not law enforcement

[@Deadwolf27]

@@ToHoldNothing lots of soldiers use the skull too. Lots of cops really love Robocop too

[@ToHoldNothing]

@@Deadwolf27 Robocop's pretty different in nature, as I recall (still need to watch the movie proper, I'm behind on my sci fi films, like Blade Runner or Robocop; though I have watched the original Total Recall). But yeah, the association is going to happen with soldiers and Punisher given Frank Castle's background and the popularization of the character in the 2000s with the Thomas Jane and Ray Stevenson films (the latter very violent as I remember versus the Thomas Jane)

[@Deadwolf27]

@@ToHoldNothing a lot of cops love Robocop because he does what they can't. Which is understandable to a degree but genuinely wanting to do those things and the implication that they might not understand there's a reason why they can't is troublesome

[@johnnygyro2295]

And thus begins the first Clone Saga, and Jackal's just as nutty back then as he is now. Especially since he doesn't look like his namesake. The Anubis mask from the modern version makes more sense in hindsight. Also the Punisher's debut, but I don't like the character. That being said, I did hear about a what if story where he became Captain America... Also, does this mean we'll be looking at more Bronze Age Spider-Man stories? They seem to be a weird mix silly and serious. Two that come to mind, other than the first Clone Saga, are Morbius' debut and the time Doc Ock tried to marry Aunt May. In hindsight, since MCU May is younger, I'm surprised they didn't do an adaptation of that arc! Finally, I know you said you prefer talking about heroes for the next Secret Origins Month, but here's an idea for next time: Black Adam. The dude's first appearance was in the Golden Age, there's more Shazam family antics, and he might be getting a movie soon.

[@bthsr7113]

I shouldn't bee surprised that he came back.

[@shadowlinkbds]

10:52 - 10:59 Oh trust me Linkara. I can't wait for this year to be over too.

[@oryanstudios2252]

I love that linkaras costume element when he's playing the Punisher is just a gun

[@DavidJoh]

Captain Cloning? No. The Clone Arranger! Incidentally, the Jackal has all the hallmarks of a character where they said "Ah, we'll figure out who he is and why he wants to kill the hero later.". As for the office full of women, in the 1970s that would have been a "secretarial pool". They no longer really exist.

[@fermintenava5911]

I'm not as sure about that last one. It might be a more recent development, but my mother is working in such a pool for a hospital ever since it got restructured.

[@TheSpiralCurse]

But when will Punisher in his Battle Wagon race The Spidermobile?!

[@BaronSengir1008]

Ask DBX...

[@DarsiPadilla]

Spider *Buggie*.

[@frick_____you]

The Spidermobile would probably break down halfway through the race.

[@BaronSengir1008]

How about the Spidermobile against the Rad Bug from the first season of Power Rangers?

[@genkaiba15]

Wacky Races.

[@TheMoss16]

Yes!! The Punisher's origin! Thanks Linkara for yet another Secret Origins Month! Can't wait for what's next!

[@JKPancake]

Happy to see the kitty kept you company the entire recording session.

[@TevyaSmolka]

The original clone saga in my opinion is a actual classic story and really good and way better then the 90 clone saga mostly because well it actually had a plan that was executed good and didn’t blow up in the writers faces.

[@BS-nw1qr]

So, I guess, this is more of a "secret first appearance month".

[@Deadwolf27]

Always has been 🔫

[@mathieuleader8601]

ahh yes the Jackal big green eugencist

[@chriswade8949]

Great job as always! I did not grow up reading comics but watching your show and of course the recent movies has really got me interested in them ! Thank you

[@Yvonmukluk]

I've read speculation that it was all supposed to capitalise on the movie 'The Day of the Jackal' that came out around that time. So you had a guy with a rifle, and THE JACKAL in bold font on the cover.

[@thestargamers3325]

Hey, I just wanted to say thank you for the video today. My college has been running me ragged all semester and has even shrunk my break this week from 5 day to 3 days. So it was really, really nice to see this pop up. I've been struggling to care about much of anything on KZbin for a while now, but you've consistently proven to be an entertaining and fair critic/KZbinr who knows what he's talking about, so It was a joy to take a break from writing and reading papers to watch your video. Thank you again, I wish you the best of luck. Also, I personally felt the Jackal looked like some kind of an Imp.

[@EnsignRicky011]

There is truly something about Miles Warren’s Wilford Brimley esque stache under the Jackal’s mask that makes me giggle insanely.

[@dr4c0blade]

I really like Ben Riley's update of the Jackal costume -- a simple business suit with a helmet based on Anubis, the jackal-headed god of the dead. It was thematically appropriate, _and_ stylish, to boot.

[@DoctorPretorious616]

I got a good laugh out of the title card depicting the Punisher as Elmer Fudd! "I'll get you, you wascally spider!" Great review, Linkara; your cat stole every scene she was in, as usual!

[@noir-214]

16:45. Well, there is a story where Spiderman goes to a therapist and tells him everything about his life as Spiderman and the therapist himself had to go to therapy

[@ArachCobra]

Maybe the Jackal should have been the Gremlin instead. I think that could have worked with his design.

[@jameshowlett5106]

Well, we KNOW this isn't really a Clone Saga story; you didn't play the "This is starting to sound like a bad comic book plot!" clip!

[@罪のアリス]

That's how I've come to identify clone saga stories.

[@EternalFireseal]

You know, it's interesting looking back on these stories decades later, and seeing all the clear indications that this was all part of Norman Osbourne's long-term plan.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

Lol. They definitely did not plan for it to be Norman Osborn behind to all 7 issues after he died.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

Lol. They definitely did not plan for it to be Norman Osborn behind to all 7 issues after he died.

[@93MANIAC]

Fun fact one of the first Punisher comics that I ever read was Welcome Back Frank where The Punisher famously threw a tied up mobster from the top of the freaking Empire State Building so I guess that The Punisher got over his phobia of having his enemies falling of tall buildings

[@SchazmenRassir]

Huh, even in his first appearance, Castle is full of controversies.