The American Revolution’s Forgotten War Crime - US History - Extra History

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The Massacre at Gnadenhutten, Ohio is the lesser-known and brutal slaughter of The Moravian Indians. These Men, women, and children who practiced Christianity and pacifism suffered at the hands of the Pennsylvania militia. Who invaded their village and slaughtered the 28 men, 29 women, and 39 children who remained praying and singing hymns throughout their execution. A moment in history that should not be forgotten.
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@extrahistory
@extrahistory Жыл бұрын
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@pyeitme508
@pyeitme508 Жыл бұрын
Meh 😑
@AnimationFanboy2k4
@AnimationFanboy2k4 Жыл бұрын
💖
@Texanprime
@Texanprime Жыл бұрын
Please do Texas revolution please extra history please
@erikanders3343
@erikanders3343 Жыл бұрын
@@Texanprime Agreed, I'm a descendant of the Saunders and the Milams. The family diaries of them tell a far different story then the whitewashed and myths taught today.
@randomteenageboy5002
@randomteenageboy5002 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, both sides committed atrocities against each other. Take King Phillips war, where Native Americans raided several colonial outposts and killed hundreds, with the colonists doing the same in retaliation. Plus we do talk about some atrocities during the revolution including how colonists would publicly mock and essentially torture loyalists and tax collectors.
@nojustno.justno
@nojustno.justno Жыл бұрын
As an Ohioan, I was never taught about this. So I had to teach myself, I feel bad that very little people know about this horrible event.
@luisfilipe2023
@luisfilipe2023 Жыл бұрын
There are way too many horrible events in history to learn. I would rather people not think about them
@bryansylvestrew5024
@bryansylvestrew5024 Жыл бұрын
​@@luisfilipe2023and that's how we end up with bigotry and oppression becoming normalized 😑. As the adage goes "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.".
@calebsmith9048
@calebsmith9048 Жыл бұрын
My middle school history teacher talker about this event and how william crawford took the blame for I went to the school named after him
@bryansylvestrew5024
@bryansylvestrew5024 Жыл бұрын
The fact people "didn't want to think about them" is a big reason why nothing was done for so long. We need to be better than our predecessors.
@delta3244
@delta3244 Жыл бұрын
​@@luisfilipe2023 Know that what has happened will happen again, and again, and again, and again, because people refuse to learn from what has already occurred. People don't know how these horrible things happen, so they don't know to stop them and often aid in their repeated occurence for the same reasons their ancesters aided the original, in total ignorance of what will happen.
@bethanycollins499
@bethanycollins499 Жыл бұрын
I went to a Moravian college, worked at two museums in Moravian settlements, and am myself a Quaker. I very much appreciate this video, you did a good job covering a largely unknown tragedy. We do need to talk about these things. Please cover more history like this and explore Quakers and Moravians, the latter don’t get enough attention for their huge role in early America for such a small group.
@bethanycollins499
@bethanycollins499 Жыл бұрын
I also want to say I yelped so loud when this video came up! Fort Pitt also did a lecture series about a month ago just on this massacre.
@Cedar_Wolf
@Cedar_Wolf Жыл бұрын
I would also love to learn more Moravian history. They're mighty interesting folks.
@dantemoose420
@dantemoose420 Жыл бұрын
Love your oatmeal!! But for real, yeah. I also wanna know more.
@Cedar_Wolf
@Cedar_Wolf Жыл бұрын
@@dantemoose420 Try the Moravian cookies. They're super thin and tasty.
@mauriciobetimpaesleme8702
@mauriciobetimpaesleme8702 Жыл бұрын
Please do not use the word tradegy for a massacre. It is highly misleading of what the intentions were behind it. In popular culture the word "tragedy" normally involves accidents. I noticed you latter used the word massacre on a reply to self so I know you did not intend to downplay it... ty
@andrewzimmerman2131
@andrewzimmerman2131 Жыл бұрын
As someone who lives so close to this area, it’s incredible you’re covering these events. You have my undying appreciation, even if it paints an ugly picture.
@sethvanast8323
@sethvanast8323 Жыл бұрын
True Christians to the bitter end, turning the other cheek, loving their enemies, praying for those who persecuted them.
@thylacinepunic5582
@thylacinepunic5582 Жыл бұрын
That’s what’s I was saying in my head when they started the killings. How can those fuckers call themselves Christians when killing fellow and from what I can see even more faithful Christians. May God cherish their souls in heaven. 💔
@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874
@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 Жыл бұрын
Had they been Catholic instead of Moravian, that entire village would have been promptly canonized as Martyrs.
@ImKinoNichtSabbeln
@ImKinoNichtSabbeln Жыл бұрын
Literally the first part of Revelation 2,10: "Be faithful until death[, and I will give you the crown of life.]". And even more bitter, when you notice that "Gnadenhütten" (the original word that ignorantly got butchered into "Ge-naden-hutten") means "huts of grace", and that the village was founded by a pacifist christian brotherhood called "Herrnhüter Brüder" that was as non-violent and deeply settled in the believe as the Amish. Reminds of the massacre of the Catharers, were some "christians" slaughtered other christians they found to be heretic to keep christianity "pure".
@ElizabethJones-pv3sj
@ElizabethJones-pv3sj Жыл бұрын
A very fitting subject for Easter weekend. We need to know more about these uncomfortable historical subjects.
@xianxiaemperor1438
@xianxiaemperor1438 Жыл бұрын
yeah
@kuanliu4253
@kuanliu4253 Жыл бұрын
“ same mistake can never be repeated again “ That’s why we all should love history.
@timbirch4999
@timbirch4999 18 күн бұрын
Which is why US conservatives do everything they can to stop this being tought.
@Peroman200
@Peroman200 Жыл бұрын
Very commendable that you tackled this subject. It too often gets ignored or minimalized even outside the United States. Great episode.
@thesecondhat4717
@thesecondhat4717 Жыл бұрын
Why would you think this story should be anything but a footnote outside of America? Just because it is a part of America's founding myth doesn't mean others have to hold it in high historical regard.
@nathanseper8738
@nathanseper8738 Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@Peroman200
@Peroman200 Жыл бұрын
@@thesecondhat4717 Because outside of America we like to pretend we don't do ankle-deep takes on history. And the fact that a country like the USA was founded on war crimes in addition to everything else really shouldn't be a mere footnote.
@erikanders3343
@erikanders3343 Жыл бұрын
@@Peroman200 well it was not founded on war crimes, it had war crimes as part of its foundation. Lets not forget how many died to found England when William showed up, of the war crimes that did found Spain and all their conquests.
@randomteenageboy5002
@randomteenageboy5002 Жыл бұрын
@@Peroman200 well at the same time both sides committed war crimes. For example, King Phillips war where both colonists and native Americans killed hundreds. That doesn’t make them justified, but it shows that it wasn’t a one sided story that demonizes the revolutionaries. So it is important to note this as we will see a narrative develop that does the exact same thing.
@bryancrain88
@bryancrain88 Жыл бұрын
"It's the parts of history that people wish had never happened that are often the parts that need to be the most keenly remembered." Well said.
@bensoncheung2801
@bensoncheung2801 4 ай бұрын
144p thumbs
@Jebbtube
@Jebbtube Жыл бұрын
There's a disturbing movement to suppress any uncomfortable history being taught in America, especially in schools, but also on the internet. It is imperative that young people (and people in general) be exposed to these stories as much as possible, lest they be forgotten.
@Justin-pe9cl
@Justin-pe9cl 11 ай бұрын
Not kids.
@Anverse-14
@Anverse-14 11 ай бұрын
​@@Justin-pe9clYes. History must be taught, children must be raised knowing their history.
@Justin-pe9cl
@Justin-pe9cl 11 ай бұрын
@@Anverse-14 I respect that, but I think they should be more mature before they start learning about things like this.
@Kaiserboo1871
@Kaiserboo1871 11 ай бұрын
The National Park Service ranks this event as a Class A decisive event of the war (the highest rank a military action can achieve). It’s not being suppressed. Just because no one talks about it and people aren’t constantly on social media crying about it as if it happened yesterday doesn’t mean it’s being suppressed. People simply don’t care as it happened over 200 years ago and against a population that is microscopic in modern times.
@MrTHEFATANDSKINNY
@MrTHEFATANDSKINNY 7 ай бұрын
​@@Justin-pe9clBut we as american children are taught about the holocaust as young as grade 3? I never knew anything about this in my own country, yet we are told about other countries atrocities very young
@EfrainMan
@EfrainMan Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you're bringing all of these "obscure" events to light for us all, the standard narrative needs to be corrected whenever possible.
@nathanseper8738
@nathanseper8738 Жыл бұрын
Me too. History must be taught with nuance.
@michaelingram5763
@michaelingram5763 Жыл бұрын
Same man but it’s easier said than done
@OldTownCrab
@OldTownCrab Жыл бұрын
I have taken two college level US history classes (AP and Dual Credit) and I have never heard of this, very enlightening
@randomteenageboy5002
@randomteenageboy5002 Жыл бұрын
I agree the narrative should be changed, but it shouldn’t be replaced by a “one side good, other side bad” scenario. Take King Phillips war, where both Natives and Colonists killed hundreds in deadly raids towards colonial settlements and native villages. And we talk about some atrocities during the Revolution (though not much) including how we treated loyalists and tax collectors.
@bryansylvestrew5024
@bryansylvestrew5024 Жыл бұрын
This kid is really trying to use King Philip's War as an example to justify trying to play devil's advocate with indigenous genocide. What's next to going to use that to justify the trail of tears too?
@templeofthehut
@templeofthehut Жыл бұрын
I was a history major in college and I was never taught about this. I am forever grateful for learning and embarrassed for not knowing
@michaelwalker7400
@michaelwalker7400 Жыл бұрын
Even in Ohio, unless you lived close to the site, it's not taught. But the Moravians played a large role in settling Tuscarawas, Stark, and Coshocton counties which means this story is well known in most of that area.
@marieroberts5664
@marieroberts5664 5 ай бұрын
Same! I am 62, and was a History Major in college and never ever heard about this until this video. I can't even.
@MemeAnt
@MemeAnt Жыл бұрын
The fact that this kind of stuff is almost never talked about in school makes me so, so sad. Thank you for shedding light on the darker part of our history.
@DingusTheArtist
@DingusTheArtist Жыл бұрын
It is kind of insane how some people in the American Revolution viewed people who have developed their own culture, who were not enemies of either side and who also have the same religion, as subhuman and slaughter children for no reason. These tragedies were not uncommon, and it is a wonder why the revolution bred such a monstrous group of supposed heroes of America.
@thomasdaywalt7735
@thomasdaywalt7735 Жыл бұрын
nothing is truely good or truly evil
@eid8fkebe7f27ejdjdjduyhsvqhwu2
@eid8fkebe7f27ejdjdjduyhsvqhwu2 Жыл бұрын
The independance war wasn't needed for that. The whole US is build on massacers and mass graves.
@larsdewit6521
@larsdewit6521 Жыл бұрын
​@@thomasdaywalt7735 i'm sorry but this seems pretty Truely Evil to me.
@ubiergo1978
@ubiergo1978 Жыл бұрын
In a conflict between two forces, the neutral side is [seen] always [as] the enemy of both sides.
@stephenjenkins7971
@stephenjenkins7971 Жыл бұрын
@@larsdewit6521 Then by your reckoning most human history is evil. Because both Americans, British, and every other peoples of this time period eagerly engaged in this kind of behavior.
@bencetary6094
@bencetary6094 Жыл бұрын
The fact that you can hear the hard-fought battle against tears during the description of the massacre makes this episode hit the hardest you have ever done. Usually, I don't heed viewer discretion, I studied history enough to know that it is terrible even with rose-tinted glasses, but fucking god, this made my blood boil.
@jeremy1860
@jeremy1860 Жыл бұрын
Every tragedy needs to be known, no matter how small or far back it may have been 😟
@waylonmacdonald9216
@waylonmacdonald9216 Жыл бұрын
Yes let's stir up that race war !!!yeahaw
@harsimaja9517
@harsimaja9517 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately there have been so many, and so many that were never even recorded, that if by 'known' we mean known to most people even of the same country, this is usually impossible
@trevorshelton1009
@trevorshelton1009 Жыл бұрын
One quote has always been true for me “Those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat it”. Thank you guys for always teaching us about important and under discussed topics
@PJSmitty16
@PJSmitty16 Жыл бұрын
I worked at the historic site in Gnadenhutten when I graduated high school. Learning of the specifics of the massacre while I worked there was a lot to take in, but I’m glad I learned the story of these people. I’m grateful that you made this video, their story deserves to be more than a footnote of local history sites.
@roosed
@roosed Жыл бұрын
My maternal family is in Gnaden so I remember learning about this going to that little museum as a kid.
@malachiphoniex8501
@malachiphoniex8501 Жыл бұрын
I will say that colonial-Native warfare was extremely brutal and not often discussed in history classes. King Phillip's War or Metacom's War killed more people than the entire American Revolution. In these conflicts, it was considered by both sides the struggle for survival, though for the Natives it was literal, and the colonists it was delusional. I feel like the Quakers and Jesusists were the only groups that treated Natives with respect, and even they sometimes screwed them over.
@kathyastrom1315
@kathyastrom1315 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been studying about King Philip’s War for the first time after I found out while doing my family history that two of my direct ancestors were involved in some rather notorious events during it, for which they eventually paid the price of their lives. It really was a horrible conflict.
@malachiphoniex8501
@malachiphoniex8501 Жыл бұрын
@Kathy Astrom Aten shei films has extensively covered this topic but I hope someday Extra history does too.
@bigj1905
@bigj1905 Жыл бұрын
I mean, for early colonial warfare, it definitely was a real threat for colonists, but definitely by the time of King Phillip and Metacom, it’s very clear that Eastern America belongs to the colonists.
@Soren015
@Soren015 Жыл бұрын
I really doubt that King Philips War killed more people than the American Revolution; do you have some sources for it? There were only about 65.000 european colonists in New England at the time, facing (different, terribly depopulated) nations of maybe 10.000 Natives, due to the horrible epidemics that the european migration had brought. Meanwhile, at least some 30.000 people died on all sides from the Revolution.
@kathyastrom1315
@kathyastrom1315 Жыл бұрын
@@malachiphoniex8501 Thanks for letting me know! Turns out he already did a video on one of those ancestors, my 10th great grandfather Richard Waldron.
@evgenenbulaev
@evgenenbulaev Жыл бұрын
Really loved the message at the end. Choosing to immortalise and reinforce only the best parts of a nation's history can lead to horrific results. Sadly, my fellow Russians are yet to learn this lesson, but one can hope...
@the_roman_emperor_fisheater
@the_roman_emperor_fisheater 11 ай бұрын
I hope your people are okay and that you are safe along with your Ukrainian cousins I hope you are okay
@sleppy_piggy
@sleppy_piggy 10 ай бұрын
I to loved the Nebula ad
@comradekenobi6908
@comradekenobi6908 7 ай бұрын
The nebula ad?
@julianarwen
@julianarwen Жыл бұрын
I can tell this was hard to read and I can’t imagine how hard it was to research and then type. But this was and is sorely needed. Thank you. The uglier parts of history are absolutely necessary to learn about and remember so that… SOMETHING can be done.
@Lukastar1
@Lukastar1 Жыл бұрын
I'm an Ohioan who loves history and I'm surprised I have never heard of this.
@lawbringer9857
@lawbringer9857 Жыл бұрын
Why would you. After all you're just a descendant of a coloniser
@msm_14
@msm_14 Жыл бұрын
@@lawbringer9857 thats kinda too far. Atleast videos like this are being made inorder to educate people and prevent them from glorifying that part of history while ignoring the atrocities commited
@b.santos8804
@b.santos8804 Жыл бұрын
​@@lawbringer9857History is written by the victors, but it is refreshing that videos like this can give us a more complete, more nuanced understanding of history than the very simplistic education most of us receive in school.
@Erythromycin-16
@Erythromycin-16 Жыл бұрын
Never once in my educational upbringing have I heard of this. I have to give you guys an immense amount of credit for bringing the knowledge of such a horrendous massacre to light. Sugarcoated and history that’s been locked away like this NEEDS to be shared, and I’m so thankful for your work in doing so.
@iang.4910
@iang.4910 8 ай бұрын
The problem with saying you were never taught it was because there are much bigger events needing to be taught in small amounts of time. When I learned about the revolution we heard the causes, 5 or so battles, the declaration of independence and the articles of confederation. Then we had to move on. To try constitution and then the war of 1812 and the debate over washington. That's just how it is.
@Erythromycin-16
@Erythromycin-16 8 ай бұрын
@@iang.4910 did I ask? Sorry that I’m mildly annoyed that my education system deemed some things larger than others. I was just giving a compliment out.
@wrongsalvation8904
@wrongsalvation8904 Жыл бұрын
You know it is a crime that this is the first time I'm hearing about this. It's also morally reprehensible. I am so thankful that you all produce these kinds of shows. We ALL should be taught this in school instead of the sugar-coated version we are taught.
@XILOX_
@XILOX_ Жыл бұрын
These type of educational and informative videos are the secret behind the ethical progress of humanity as a whole. It also helps people at even younger ages to comprehend morality of certain events in history and it lays down a foundation to think of how to proceed going up ahead. Overall fantastic video. Great Job Dude :D Edit: I am aware more crimes against humanity like these are taking place daily, I am Pakistani, I am a victim or had been at a certain time in my life as well. I have seen modern day slavery in action, I have seen ethnic cleansings, I have seen and been a victim silencing liberalism by terror organizations not necessarily from Pakistan. Even though it may not have any impact on the current dictatorship or inhuman nations of our world its still important to know that knowledge shapes the future of humanity. Information covered in videos like these is a reason why the children growing these days are not the same heartless monsters we had once been as a collective species. Society progresses and with it, we do as well as a species Thank you for coming to my ted talk
@thesecondhat4717
@thesecondhat4717 Жыл бұрын
There's no such thing as ethical progress, you are ruled by those who have a monopoly on violence. It has always been so and always will. Violence is the structural principle of human society. ANY human society.
@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts
@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts Жыл бұрын
@@thesecondhat4717 No. Cooperation has a much bigger part in it.
@bryansylvestrew5024
@bryansylvestrew5024 Жыл бұрын
​@@KrasMazovHatesYourGutsthe first step to cooperation and intersectionality is acknowledging where the systemic problems lie. How can you even begin to understand the systemic issues that Marginalized groups face when we don't even know the history to it?
@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts
@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts Жыл бұрын
@@bryansylvestrew5024 Indeed. You're preaching to the choir. I'm not doubting that violence can be, and has been, a progressive force. I simply reject the notion the previous commenter had that it was the ONLY principle of progress.
@skoorbal3173
@skoorbal3173 Жыл бұрын
there is no ethical progress to humanity. We make the same mistakes again and again, but always say that we've progressed. Not once in history has an era of humanity ever been truly correct in saying that they have progressed, and are better than the previous era of humans.
@calebsmith9048
@calebsmith9048 Жыл бұрын
My history teacher talked about William crawford for I went to the school named after him and his wife and is a local legend in the area with a park detailing william crawford travel in the area along with those who were with him. It's a tragic story for everyone involved.
@ecurewitz
@ecurewitz Жыл бұрын
It’s a difficult subject, but it does need to be told
@Brandonhayhew
@Brandonhayhew Жыл бұрын
It’s kinda brutal because war always have war crimes
@codyshi4743
@codyshi4743 Жыл бұрын
May all those innocent lives who were massacred mercilessly Rest In Peace. 😢
@filipinordabest
@filipinordabest Жыл бұрын
May God grant them Paradise
@Justin-pe9cl
@Justin-pe9cl 11 ай бұрын
@@filipinordabest Amen
@gangrenousgandalf2102
@gangrenousgandalf2102 5 ай бұрын
​@@filipinordabest Amen
@AustroHungarianEmpire1867
@AustroHungarianEmpire1867 3 ай бұрын
​@@filipinordabestAmen.
@typemasters2871
@typemasters2871 Жыл бұрын
I have huge respect for whomever adopted one of the two survivors of this terrible massacre Yes he could have done more but I still respect him over what positives he did do rather than what tragedies he didn’t prevent or lessen
@gabrielandradeferraz386
@gabrielandradeferraz386 Жыл бұрын
I mean... its not like he could stop them if he tried
@typemasters2871
@typemasters2871 Жыл бұрын
@@gabrielandradeferraz386 that’s true…
@idoshulman6379
@idoshulman6379 Жыл бұрын
That man probably couldn't have done more, but I agree
@crescent_sun482
@crescent_sun482 Жыл бұрын
I mean, they'd have ganged up on him and killed him if he tried to stop them.
@SonofSethoitae
@SonofSethoitae Жыл бұрын
​@@crescent_sun482 And even if they wouldn't have, one can hardly blame him for thinking they would. They just took a vote on whether or not to brutally kill a town full of Christian pacifists down to the last child. I wouldn't be thinking to highly of my fellow militiamen at that point.
@SwitchFeathers
@SwitchFeathers Жыл бұрын
More episodes like this would be appreciated. History should not be sanitized and the mistakes of the past should be put on full display so that we do not repeat them.
@michaelmcinerney4686
@michaelmcinerney4686 Жыл бұрын
I’m a pretty historically literate person, but I had never heard of this until now. As a Pennsylvanian, I feel a particular need to be aware of this. Thank you for making this video.
@BuckBlaziken
@BuckBlaziken 7 ай бұрын
Every American should know about this. Regardless of home state or heritage it should be known.
@bok7364
@bok7364 Жыл бұрын
I’ve heard stories of the American Revolution dozens of times. The fact it took me this long to learn about this heinous war crime is an atrocity in and of itself. As a student of history, I’m grateful to Extra History for this episode and all the other good work they do!
@Alverant
@Alverant Жыл бұрын
If history doesn't occasionally shock, offend, horrify, and outrage you then you're not studying it deep enough or you're dead inside.
@haskelfolks9536
@haskelfolks9536 Жыл бұрын
We were lucky enough to grow up in the most peaceful time in human history,... If you get into history,.... This kind of stuff is more the norm,.... Tho I'm more familiar with American war crimes like mai lai and Sherman's march, than I am anyone elses
@Justin-pe9cl
@Justin-pe9cl 11 ай бұрын
I must be dead inside.
@theperson8539
@theperson8539 9 ай бұрын
@@haskelfolks9536Stuff like this continues to happen, though we ignore it just as well as we did back then.
@kurikuri3761
@kurikuri3761 Жыл бұрын
When I was in 8th grade, as someone who lives in the state of Pennsylvania and being around some of the most important events in the french and indian war, I was never taught about this in our american History class, I wish this was taught during then, Defenitly know that both sides have committed some strenious crimes.
@kyledabearsfan
@kyledabearsfan Жыл бұрын
As an American I'm glad for this. All countries do this, but sometimes you need another perspective to really see the whole picture. Thank you. Great channel.
@GLidstroem
@GLidstroem Жыл бұрын
This makes me truly sad to my very soul that such brutality is wrecked upon those who choose to not take sides. Good that you educate people on those parts of history that arnt talked about among the general public.
@Fives-oy8du
@Fives-oy8du Жыл бұрын
Yep, as a Native Canadian, I want people (especially the US) to remember about the residential schools lopsided treaties and horrific treatment. Canada gets a lot of leeway because people think of them as kind, but that let's them pretend like they did nothing wrong. Yes, give them props for the thing they did right, but also hold them accountable.
@deterrent4192
@deterrent4192 Жыл бұрын
As a non-Native Canadian, I wholeheartedly agree. We have also done some really f***ed up things to the people we forced treaties upon.
@andezong9565
@andezong9565 Жыл бұрын
We do remember our own reservations and residential schools. There’s an entire exhibit over at the National Museum of the American Indian about the forced integration of Native kids. It’s also common knowledge in my state’s history textbooks.
@deterrent4192
@deterrent4192 Жыл бұрын
@@andezong9565 It’s honestly kind of disconcerting that the horrific things done in residential schools are only recently showing up in the mainstream education. They are still finding mass graves to this day.
@thefutureisnowoldman7653
@thefutureisnowoldman7653 Жыл бұрын
As an American I Happy country is nothing like yours and wish only for America to be less like Canada.
@beliallied-mh9ze
@beliallied-mh9ze 11 ай бұрын
Idc lol
@kadehill9127
@kadehill9127 Жыл бұрын
As a resident of Gnadenhutten this is one of the few important events to happen in this small middle of nowhere area and while that is sad to know that a massacre of innocent natives is one of the most important things to happen around here I am glad a big group like you guys decided to cover it
@CodaMission
@CodaMission Жыл бұрын
The goal was never to "pacify" natives. It was genocide. You could be a peaceful, Christian, painfully nonviolent native. It would not matter.
@VloggingThroughHistory
@VloggingThroughHistory Жыл бұрын
Since you've covered this story from Eastern Ohio, I think the 1879 Ashtabula Train Disaster would make a great topic for EH to cover!
@daaaah_whoosh
@daaaah_whoosh Жыл бұрын
Crazy how scalping caught on, like who finds out about a practice of cutting off the top of someone's head and goes "yeah, I'm gonna incorporate that into my massacres too".
@douglasdaniel4504
@douglasdaniel4504 Жыл бұрын
It's vitally important to counter the false narrative that America's birth was immaculate, and this video does a good job of remembering the painful horrors we'd rather forget. Thank you. Please keep this work up.
@stephenjenkins7971
@stephenjenkins7971 Жыл бұрын
Tbh, I don't think there is such anyone that believes America's birth was immaculate. If anything most people seem to believe that America's birth was a unique evil.
@johnl1091
@johnl1091 Жыл бұрын
I know of no such narrative of America's birth being immaculate. America's birth was always depicted as one of blood, pain, and death.
@Justin-pe9cl
@Justin-pe9cl 11 ай бұрын
Never heard that. Was more of a Underdog beats greater foe because of a moral calling for freedom and blah blah blah.
@aprilhelms6141
@aprilhelms6141 Жыл бұрын
Wow. I live maybe two hours from there and I'd never heard of this horrible incident. The things they never teach you in school. This was tough to watch/listen to, but thank you, thank you for putting this story out there. It needs to be told.
@Edmonton-of2ec
@Edmonton-of2ec Жыл бұрын
People love to forget part of the reason the Revolution happened wasn’t just because of rising taxes, but because of the Royal Proclamation of 1763, which restricted settlement on the continent largely to the pre-defined boundaries of the 13 colonies, while lands to the west were reserved for indigenous peoples. So yeah, America not being able to do another Trail of Tears going 50 years prior and to the north is a fairly important historical footnote
@thatreddude8796
@thatreddude8796 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for highlighting a perspective forgotten to history. I think the Native American's decision to side with the Confederacy during the ACW is an interesting one and should be discussed more often.
@RaiJolt2
@RaiJolt2 6 ай бұрын
In my high school it was mentioned a few times. Basically it was explained that there were many native slave owners but also that as the south contained more loyalists and most native tribes sided with the British (as well as how the Americans treated them) that the ones that sided with the confederacy believed that it was their safest option. After the war the northerners punished the natives for their actions. But other than a couple times it was hardly mentioned.
@jtgd
@jtgd Жыл бұрын
“Murdering innocent people didn’t change my thirst for revenge against my murdered father!” Who would have thought
@The-Plaguefellow
@The-Plaguefellow Жыл бұрын
*"It's just too sad, I don't want to think about it."* - The saying of those who forget, and, by that, allow these tragedies to repeat. Without fail. Time, and time again.
@louthegiantcookie
@louthegiantcookie Жыл бұрын
Oh, a Napoleon in Egypt series? That sounds really exciting! There was the story of him going into the Pyramid and seeing something which left him terrified, but he never revealed what it was. That's always intrigued me.
@nooneofimportance2110
@nooneofimportance2110 Жыл бұрын
This stuff needs to be taught more. No more "good guys vs. bad guys" crap, no more glossing over the ... uncomfortable aspects of history. We need to teach the good and the bad, so that we can actually LEARN from history, instead of constantly repeating it.
@EmilioReyes_97
@EmilioReyes_97 Жыл бұрын
I watched the show Libertys Kids as a kid, that's what helped get me into history, specifically American History. I learned a small amount native cheifs like Joseph Brant and Cornstock and his own son. So I'm thankful I learned even a little bit of the ugly side of the revolution. And I'm thankful to keep learning
@firstnext5482
@firstnext5482 Жыл бұрын
6:23 "He sits down, weeping, and admits it was no satisfication... at all" Well if that isn't the beginning of a lifetime of PTSD I don't know what is.
@Primecheese
@Primecheese 8 ай бұрын
I went to Indian Valley highschool in Gnadenhutten… sad not many people know about this tragic event.. also very impressed you pronounced the towns name correctly!
@wolfcat1998
@wolfcat1998 Жыл бұрын
This video is probably banned in Florida.
@samrevlej9331
@samrevlej9331 Жыл бұрын
A stamp of quality, then.
@Meda22
@Meda22 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great new episode - even though a dark topic. Yet needed to be remembered. On the side note - this was the first time I heard about Native Moravians… I’ve never realized how far the Moravian Church reached…
@niktonic5379
@niktonic5379 Жыл бұрын
same
@niktonic5379
@niktonic5379 Жыл бұрын
For those who don't know the Moravian church originates in medieval slavic protestant country of Bohemia - today's Czechia. After 1620 these protestants were driven out of their homeland by the Catholics from Austria and these days the Moravian church is probably more known abroad than at it's original home. The name Moravian comes from the region of Czechia called Moravia, although the name Czechs know it by would be Jednota bratrská which translates to something like Unity of Brotherhood.
@thatkreigsman3421
@thatkreigsman3421 Жыл бұрын
I love this video. It makes it easier for me to see this country as a real place.
@armedwombat6816
@armedwombat6816 Жыл бұрын
For a bit of painful irony: "Gnadenhütten" translates to 'merciful huts'.
@ameliaclauss4053
@ameliaclauss4053 Жыл бұрын
Ok, I've never heard of this (though I was aware of massacres of Indigenous people during the War of Independence) and I wish I hadn't; But as you said, it's the parts of history we wish never happened that we need to remember and learn from the most. Truly, If you're learning about the history of something (or someone) and you think "Wow, what a proud and wonderful and glorious history this thing has!" ; You're probably not studying or learning about that person, place, or thing's real story.
@luanfonseca5179
@luanfonseca5179 Жыл бұрын
i think is funny how in american history people mention these things are forgotten. here in brazil we overlook a lot of our history but i remember studying atrocities on the triple alliance war, many of the infights between government and militias, WW2 prison camps in brazil,the Quilombos built by ran away slaves and others.
@mr.admr1016
@mr.admr1016 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for covering events like this. It is very important to know and learn from humanities darkest moments. No nation or culture is without sin and wrongdoing. Let us hope that humanity can move forward together. United.
@brenndanmcdonaugh1672
@brenndanmcdonaugh1672 Жыл бұрын
God damn. I'm holding back tears. This Massacre was an egregious act of violence, sadly it's only a small part of Native American removal.
@shawncollard623
@shawncollard623 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting episode about how any crimes are left out of history. Would you be able to do more episodes about these.
@wikiuser92
@wikiuser92 Жыл бұрын
"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."
@robbyh22
@robbyh22 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that in this moment where so many are trying to erase and downplay the blood spilled to create this “country” and it’s mythologies, you all are here to help people know and understand more. Appreciate this deeply important work.
@dominicguye8058
@dominicguye8058 Жыл бұрын
Why the scarequotes?
@robbyh22
@robbyh22 Жыл бұрын
@@dominicguye8058 Oh hey just seeing this. You cannot have a real country on land that you stole, genocided, and enslaved everyone for. Even by this “country’s” own laws, the land isn’t the colonizers cause they broke or violated every one of them.
@jrodriguez1374
@jrodriguez1374 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for bringing attention to such an evil act that constantly gets completely glossed over.
@yaboisprinkles
@yaboisprinkles 8 ай бұрын
I am in my second year of college now and this is the first time I have heard of this massacre, I have bee taught about massacres before and after the revolution but never one committed by the revolutionaries. Thank you for making videos on these topics to bring more awareness to them.
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this amazing and informative videos guys! You do an outstanding job! love you!
@artstsym
@artstsym Жыл бұрын
I knew of this massacre only by its reputation as the one so bad that it pissed off almost everyone, which is quite upsetting as I live 100 miles from Gnadenhutten and didn't know it happened there. I've lived in this state my entire life and taken college-level American History classes.
@bbirda1287
@bbirda1287 Жыл бұрын
Bravo, definitely a highlight of the EH video series. Courageous coverage. I hope this video gets shared a lot.
@Melody-Pines
@Melody-Pines Жыл бұрын
Many State administration's have badly damage the content under American History as not more than patriotic rendering and I am glad that content as this helps teach in the historical community the importance of showing that not everything is good or evil. And that some things with good characteristics as the American Revolution also had his downsides.
@camdenguspyt5914
@camdenguspyt5914 Жыл бұрын
As a student of the high school in Gnadenhutten thank you for covering this topic. It’s crazy to think that events like these happened in my backyard.
@trinaf.4422
@trinaf.4422 Жыл бұрын
If you are looking for some more interesting American Revolution stuff, frontier raids were extremely common. Upstate New York (my home area, specifically the Adirondacks /Mohawk and Schoharie Valleys) has had many such incidents.. It would make an incredibly interesting series
@TheVoiceOfReason93
@TheVoiceOfReason93 Жыл бұрын
It is necessary for there to be introspection in our history. No one nation is perfect, and to presume otherwise breeds only hubris and suffering and would only lead to history repeating itself.
@jalzahn4404
@jalzahn4404 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. We need to learn from mistakes like this. We NEED to see things like this.
@TheZackofSpades
@TheZackofSpades Жыл бұрын
You try to teach this in Florida…you might end up in prison 😵‍💫
@TheAllAmericanHoneyBadger
@TheAllAmericanHoneyBadger 21 күн бұрын
That’s a lie and you know it
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 Жыл бұрын
If this gets included into the school history books, watch as conservatives call it "woke".
@HippomenesTheArcadian
@HippomenesTheArcadian 7 ай бұрын
Right? Because the left has been so tolerant of others ... tolerantly beating people, burning buildings and cars, committing robbery, and murdering people who try to resist. So, so, tolerant.
@timbirch4999
@timbirch4999 18 күн бұрын
Conservatives are passing laws making it illegal for stuff like this to be taught in US schools.
@Jungoguy
@Jungoguy Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I heard about stuff like this in Assassin’s Creed 3. That was messed up.
@danomyte67
@danomyte67 Жыл бұрын
This specific event or in general?
@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts
@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts Жыл бұрын
@@danomyte67 No, but the hero (whose half Mohawk) belongs to one of the tribes that Washington decides to displace due to suspected Loyalist sympathies.
@jereschr
@jereschr Жыл бұрын
This.. Ending. You nailed it! Absolutely earned my like. Keep up the amazing job, my respect goes beyond what i can put into words.
@Lisa-ol1ih
@Lisa-ol1ih Жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this topic, even though I can't imagine how hard it was to research, draw, or read about it. This is exactly the kind of history that will get swept under the rug and erased if we aren't careful. I hadn't ever heard of the Moravians until this episode.
@Shiroya_Rumika
@Shiroya_Rumika Жыл бұрын
Props to you guys!!! ❤❤❤ Please, cover more of this kind videos
@davidwalker3626
@davidwalker3626 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! You should do one on the Jamestown Massacre next, the biggest single-day massacre in US history of the Indian-settler era
@punelopepunstop5515
@punelopepunstop5515 Жыл бұрын
To get the whole story sometimes you have to read about the good, the bad, and the ugly.
@lucasandrews5689
@lucasandrews5689 Жыл бұрын
I live around 20 minutes from Gnadenhutten, in a city with a related Moravian mission, and worked at the fort where a lot of these militiamen were based. It’s crazy to see one of my favorite KZbinrs cover something that seems almost forgotten about except to people in my area. I love it.
@ZAK31591
@ZAK31591 Жыл бұрын
I consider myself extremely well versed in history and I had never heard of this. Thanks for bringing it to light. The only way to build a more perfect union is to acknowledge our mistakes, own up to them, and strive to do better.
@doomdimensiondweller5627
@doomdimensiondweller5627 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the Napoleon in Egypt series. I have a great idea for a video. So EC's history videos about specific items like coffee and beer or abstract concepts like money and langue are a hit. I think a video about the arm's race in the cold war talking about the different weapons employed by both sides could be interesting.
@Caspar67
@Caspar67 Жыл бұрын
Thank you guys for doing this episode - it's nice to see that you make the effort to show history with warts and all as it is supposed to be seen.
@danomyte67
@danomyte67 Жыл бұрын
How are we not taught this in schools?!
@viktorberzinsky4781
@viktorberzinsky4781 Жыл бұрын
Because there are cruel and foolish people for whom it is most convenient that it remain buried and a have vested interest in keeping it so.
@setyourhandlex
@setyourhandlex Жыл бұрын
A lot of reasons, but racism is no small part. If the US made an effort to recognise indigenous history as a part of its own and grant actual sovereignty to the tribes living within and given their own territory this kind of information would be as well known as the reasons why the colonies declared independence.
@johnl1091
@johnl1091 Жыл бұрын
@@viktorberzinsky4781 Or an even more simple answer: that the breadth of US History curriculum is so broad that the vast majority of history classes won't focus on small, specific tragedies such as this, and instead focus on larger, more impactful tragedies such as the Trail of Tears and the Sioux Wars.
@johnl1091
@johnl1091 Жыл бұрын
@@setyourhandlex ​Or an even more simple answer: that the breadth of US History curriculum is so broad that the vast majority of history classes won't focus on small, specific tragedies such as this, and instead focus on larger, more impactful tragedies such as the Trail of Tears and the Sioux Wars.
@cambs0181
@cambs0181 Ай бұрын
Because it doesn't make a nice fairy tale in the creation of the US
@savishra
@savishra Жыл бұрын
I have seen this channel grow since its near incipience, but it seriously deserves to grow more
@TroyColey
@TroyColey Жыл бұрын
Thank you for speaking the Truth, we all appreciate it and Need this. Everyone needs this information now more than ever.
@Teltradin
@Teltradin Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@extrahistory
@extrahistory Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for supporting the small group of creators that make this show possible!
@cenneran1113
@cenneran1113 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you so much for showing this video. Keep it up.
@XBADNDNX
@XBADNDNX 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing this story. I have no words for how this story changes so much about the revolutionary war, and pacifism in general
@theadventurer2628
@theadventurer2628 Жыл бұрын
I just got here, but if they're putting a "Viewer discretion advice" in front of their episode about the American revolution, I'm about to learn something I never learned in school.
@thefrogbert6295
@thefrogbert6295 Жыл бұрын
We can't make a better future without remembering and learning from the past 🧡🕊️
@bryansylvestrew5024
@bryansylvestrew5024 Жыл бұрын
Seriously, people acting like suppressing the history for feel good narratives or trying to "both sides" every conflict or genocide literally must have fallen asleep during the history classes on fascism and authoritarianism because that's literally what those are regimes do. But honestly how can I be surprised when it states and nations that have education suppression laws you're literally seeing book burnings 😑😔🚩.
@austin6167
@austin6167 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for telling this story I live just a town over from colonel Crawford Ohio in Crawford county both named after colonel Crawford. And I’m amazed how often I meet people here who have no idea where the name came from and behave never herd of the massacre i play to visit the site of the massacre this summer.
@torbjornlekberg7756
@torbjornlekberg7756 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this. As you say, telling of horrid events like these is extremely important.
@hyp3rk1ll_aoc39
@hyp3rk1ll_aoc39 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised people don't know these things happened. Our past is difficult to confront and often times ugly. I am none the less a proud American. We have to stand tall together or fall.
@jadonberg9364
@jadonberg9364 Жыл бұрын
Man, y’all really got to move the sponsor message to the beginning of the videos. Let the dramatic endings hit like they used to.
@jamcat4075
@jamcat4075 Жыл бұрын
I first learned about this from Brendan Powell Smith's book Revolution. It looks at a lot of these bloody events during the revolution and I would highly recommend.
@pohorex6834
@pohorex6834 Жыл бұрын
I love like 30 minutes away from the site of this and have literally never heard about it until this video. Such a tragedy shouldn’t go unnoticed
@jesseyancy1160
@jesseyancy1160 Жыл бұрын
At the end of the day as horrible as this tragedy is it really isn't important to having a cursory understanding of the American revolution. That's the real reason it's rarely discussed in schoolbooks, because it didn't really do anything to change what could have been.
@kaned5543
@kaned5543 Жыл бұрын
That was absolutely nauseating to learn. I can't believe I've never heard of this. Thanks for giving us more context to the birth of our country.
@ThomasFromOldZealand
@ThomasFromOldZealand Жыл бұрын
Great job Extra History! Please keep telling us the the stories we'd rather not hear❤️
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