The Ancestors of Our Ancestors ~ with PROFESSOR DAVID BEGUN

[@morningstar9233]

Really appreciate the work Prof. Begun and his colleagues are doing. Must take the patience of angels to find and process the fossils and a scientific mind to match. Thank you all.

[@kaarlimakela3413]

You just answered about 47 questions I've been harboring in the back of my mind for many decades. 😊

[@vikingskuld]

Well did he answer these 2 questions. Name the mechanism and give one example of each. How an organism gains new never before seen genetic information and name one bennificial mutations and example without a loss of information in the genes. Lol you see this is a huge problem for evolution they can't do either. We see copying of existing genes and broken genes with a loss of genetic fitness. Those 2 thongs totally disproves evolution. You can look up the fruit fly experiment. We get fruit flies and dead fruit flies nothing new or different. Soft tissue in dino bones has been found in over 120 different bones now. Ranging from a supposed 65 million to 500 million years old. The protiens they have found in the soft tissue proves beyond a doubt they are not even a million years old. So academia has a lot of misinformation to account for

[@RadicalCaveman]

List them.

[@egaaronp]

Thank goodness I've found a history channel with proper voices.

[@claraveras5070]

This channel needs to get more subscribers! Great content! Well done!

[@hotdogwater-j9m]

Because more & more people are not buying into a theory passed off as fact. There is more evidence in creation than just a happy accident that produced life. A fool studies creation without acknowledging a creator. The opposite should occur, the study of creation should bring you to the conclusion that there is a creator. Higher education in this world is knowledge without wisdom.

[@LadyLeda2]

@@hotdogwater-j9m You must be one of those christian right people from America. A fool like you studies creation by acknowledging a creator. We are not fools because we study evolution not creation.

[@rdrunnerxx]

Based on your theory then who created the creator?@@hotdogwater-j9m

[@fransinhooo]

By the way H stand as what? So you have been "created" but decided to be invisible.lol

[@hotdogwater-j9m]

Is your first language, English? You sound like you are lacking the mastery of English.@@fransinhooo

[@larryparis925]

What a great episode. Prof. Begun is wonderful to listen to. Thank you for another fine episode. Loved the title of "The Ancestors of Our Ancestors", alluded to at 31:50 . Again, many thanks.

[@EvolutionSoup]

Thank you-- it was how David described the apes in this hypothesis, though he also calls them 'the ancestors of our last common ancestor' (a slightly less catchy title!)

[@combinedeffects4799]

The greatest hoax theory continues to strut the halls of academia.

[@larryparis925]

@@combinedeffects4799 The greatest hoax is monotheism: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The three evils of humanity.

[@combinedeffects4799]

@@larryparis925 maybe Islam is evil like your beloved atheism - as they are just as murderous and brutal - All you have is micro variations - trying to extrapolate into that BS macro crap is for the naive . Time of the gaps plus Chance of the gaps plus some wild imagination and your hoax theory gets to strut like a peacock in the Biology classroom.

[@vegasflyboy67]

I believe our understanding of human evolution is going to continue to grow and evolve. Starting from a linear perspective in Darwins time, to a branching tree, and finally to a complex bush of interbreeding and migration.

[@JohnEglick-oz6cd]

Darwin's theory of Survival of the fittest in full implement , of logically course !

[@vikingskuld]

Hey Sorry guys Darwin is dead his theory was just bad. There is no proof and genetics and the fossil record don't support his idea. Its just a sad shame they keep pushing this bad idea eventually they will revise it and come up with something else.

[@terranbiped8358]

How about an intelligent designer from Alpha Centuri or from your imagination?

[@vegasflyboy67]

@terranbiped8358 We can take bong hits and amuse ourselves all day with what if. All aliens do is complicate the question. Now you need to explain how the aliens came about unless, of course, you have evidence.

[@JohnEglick-oz6cd]

@@terranbiped8358 Human imagination ? Could be dangerous .

[@wotsup9oo]

I started dubious about this professor, but he opened up my mind. The geological and climatological changes in the Mediterranean makes a lot of sense for proto hominin like apes to migrate down to africa at around 10 to 6 million years ago.

[@Markhypnosis1]

A very apt surname for an expert on our origins. 🙂

[@zacharylehocki]

I grew up with the idea human origins began in Africa but I`m willing to accept we could've started in Europe instead. Either way our human family tree still started as just One ancestral population and that`s what`s really important to me.

[@whiskeytango9769]

Humans, genus Homo, definitely started in Africa. That would go back only 2-3 million years. Apes, on the other hand, have been around some 20 million years. Where they originated is an entirely separate question.

[@EvolutionSoup]

At 31:37 we talk about the human lineage :-)

[@zacharylehocki]

@@EvolutionSoup Opps! must`ve missed that part to be fair it was late at night when I watched this!

[@godofthisshit]

Humans originated in Africa.

[@vikingskuld]

​@@godofthisshitsorry but they don't know that at all. Most of the so called human ancestors are not any where near human. In fact the picks of Lucy walking upright with human eyes are just that ART WORK no more real then Harry potters basilisk lol. The dna doesn't give any proof to comman ancestry in fact it actually proves against it. There are 1.2 million more pairs of dna in humans then chimps. Which is far to many for mutation and natural selection to give us chimps and humans from a common ancestry. That's the bad thing about academia these days they love to exaggerate and hype things. Grant money pays the bills and allows for research which your not going to get if you say oh look I found a monkey or an ape... if you say I found a possible human ancestor though it's a big difference. So just take these guys with a ton of salt and skeptical mindset with careful reading or listening of what they say. Then you will see how much is guess and how much is fact.

[@jamesabernethy7896]

Terrific video again. I've said this before, if find these videos are well-structured but you also allow your guest to present things at their own pace. The segmented chapters in on the time bar is also very handy. I have heard of this theory before but it was great to go into the specifics. What surprised me most was how much emphasis was put in the roots of the teeth. Teeth obviously change with evolution and can say so much about the habits of a species as well as the health of an individual. When you think about the importance of teeth, your entire thought is based on the 'business end' of the tooth rather than where and how it is anchored. It might seem small but very interesting.

[@easylivingsherpa]

To stay an atheist, You would have to believe that nothing produces everything; non-life produces life; randomness produces fine-tuning; chaos produces information; unconsciousness produces consciousness; and non-reason produces reason. Your leap of faith is a religion built on blind faith.

[@assininecomment1630]

Huh? You're both dumbing-down _and_ misrepresenting huge fields of scientific research ​@@easylivingsherpa. Have you also assumed that further research isn't being conducted? It looks like you're oblivious of the fact, that the scientific process specifically requires scientists to actively question and test our ideas, theories and discoveries. All of this demonstrates why science is fundamentally different to the "blind faith" you accuse it of - much less, being a religion itself.

[@easylivingsherpa]

@@assininecomment1630 And we can dispense the lie that theists are too dumb to understand evolution because I own 35 books on evolution and have downloaded and read 50 more from Google books. I dont need to go to any creationist website for my information because evolutionists give me all of the ammo that I need to show them that what they believe is wrought with errors and requires faith to believe in it. They call that faith, something you evolutionists have no shortage of. What we want is something from the scientific method proving evolution. Give us something observable for Darwinian evolution and shut us up once and for all. Or dont you have anything observable taken from the claptrap you call evolution. Thats not a rhetorical question because we know that you dont. Now comes the weepy sonnet where you give us bacteria turning into bacteria, no mutations ever showing an addition of positive information, adaptation, and a host of other scientific facts to replace your lack of any proof.And no a thousand pissed off fruit flies wont work either. I want something observable. Something where one species has changed into another because thats what evolution is all about anyway. And attach it to the hip of the scientific method. If all youve got is a big fat zero then thats all that your opinions are worth. To reiterate I asked for observable evidence for Darwinian evolution and not faith in the unobserved. You cant tell if a fossil had any kids let alone morphed into a separate species. You fools have no proof for this religion that you call evolution.Thats why its flailing like a dying animal taking its last breath.

[@ferengiprofiteer9145]

​@@assininecomment1630 I agree. Atheists can't refute any point he made but cling to the blind faith that their discoveries don't reveal God's work.

[@caseyjude5472]

@@assininecomment1630They believe the earth is 6000 years old, women have one less rib than men & donkeys speak Hebrew. It’s a waste of time to explain. Unfortunately, one can’t explain something to someone who doesn’t want to know anything.

[@dreamerliteraryproductions9423]

Very interesting! Thank you for the fascinating interview!

[@AWildBard]

Excellent!

[@JustinCaseWages]

Thanks for that. Very informative!

[@quetzalcoatlz]

KZbin has been outstanding, recommending me incredible up and coming channels!! All hail the only true/real God, the algorithm God!

[@zhubajie6940]

I wonder how Kenyapitcheus fits into this (I think the consensus is an African Ponginae circa 14 mya?)? Was this the fragmentary African species he was referring to?

[@micc6462]

Amazing stuff

[@FM-jo1jh]

As a computer scientist I find this so amazing, my sister is what we call a bone digger in my family and my god I can listen and look through her "book" for days, makes you feel so small. I would love to meet our ancestors from millions of years ago, even 1 million!!

[@raphmaster23]

You and me both 🙂❤️

[@OceanusHelios]

At first I would want to meet them too, until I realize what kind of mischief and mayhem these organisms would be known for. Getting into everything. Wrecking everything. Throwing poo. Ganging up on weaker creatures. Guerilla tactics indeed. Some would be nice if you had some fresh fruit for them. They would have sounds that sounded more like our speech. And we would think, "Wow these guys are pretty smart! For morons." LOL

[@assininecomment1630]

Sorry if this is a noob question.... 10:55 - When Prof. Begun says they have some good skeletons of _Rudapithecus H._ 10mya, are these fossilised or actual bone? I can't recall learning how long the fossilisation process generally takes, or if/what factors might drastically quicken or delay that process. FWIW, I've only stumbled across this channel in my diverse procrastinational wanderings around YewTyoob (while I should be finishing off the assessment paperwork of my own students 🙄). I find Begun's manner, excellent. He provides suffient details to advance a science nerd's knowledge, but generalised enough for it to make sense to people with little familiarity of the field. So, great work, fellas! 🙂👍

[@EvolutionSoup]

Welcome! The channel is for everyone - for casual curious and for the academic. The bones would definitely be fossilized (10K+ years for fossilization to occur). However, new techniques in proteomics may be able to bring forth information similar to DNA testing.

[@michaelniederer2831]

Stellar presentation. Thanks.

[@fuseblower8128]

So... this means we're all Germans? Joking aside : fascinating video. Tracing back our lineage by teeth fossils, especially our modest canine teeth. Good thing teeth can last for millions of years in the earth (though they can hardly manage a couple of decades in my mouth ;)

[@PoetbyDay]

uberhaupt

[@catherinegilbert8740]

I have a long-time interest in mammalogy from working in a Natural History Museum as an undergraduate. Even in the 70s researchers were aware that the fossil record indicated that the great apes originated in Europe. Great to see new studies to back this up.

[@spongebombepicpants1073]

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[@SlightlySusan]

What do these finds do to the work of Spencer Wells, author of The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey?

[@SymptomoftheTimes]

Fantastic. Thanks for the clear explanation

[@johnnybhoy4278]

Excellent episode as always!

[@retropian]

I recall learning of this possibility more that twenty yrs ago as an anthro undergrad. It may also be a result of an incomplete and very scant African fossil record, which may be due to preservation bias and also lack of research and paleo anthropology being conducted in parts of Africa due to political difficulties. It’s easier to excavate your own back yard as it were. My other concern is that racism was very overt and prevalent amongst European Paleoanthropologist’s in the early years of exploration. The idea of an African origin for Homo was an anathema. Many latched onto the idea that Homo had an Asian or European origin and only later migrated into Africa because the thought of African ancestry no matter how deep in the past for white Europeans was unacceptable. I can’t help but wonder if those who enthusiastically tout these findings don’t do so for the same reason even if it may be unconscious bias on their part. I’m just saying before one jumps on the bandwagon that the ancestors of Homo, or Homo itself migrated from Asia or Europe into Africa to question whether one has unconscious racist bias against an African origin. It may be the case that like many other Eurasian fauna, the ancestors of Homo migrated along with them into Africa. It’s also true that African faunal assemblages migrated into Eurasia as well and may have included early apes as well. I’m just saying proceed with caution and question if one is engaging in bias confirmation no matter how unconscious it may be and be aware there may be evidence some day from Africa that suggests an African origin after all.

[@stompcity4085]

Exactly

[@stompcity4085]

It looks like quackery, race-based quackery

[@NotSoNormal1987]

I had a similar thought. Follow evidence, not bias. Whatever our origin is doesn't bother me. But we must remember to do good science.

[@stephaniedye7580]

Interesting🎉

[@airborneranger-ret]

Liked and subbed

[@BruceOBrien-dk3et]

Since fossils are difficult to find, but not impossible to find - there is that possibility of fossils in both in Europe, Asia and Africia that do exist that have not been found yet.

[@RileyRampant]

If there was a cooling/drying climate gradient pushing Eurasian mammals down thru the Levant into Africa, the fact that the stem-ape arose in Eurasia could account both for branching either outside or inside of Africa, or any permutation of branching history, I would expect. Pongo in SE Asia is the clearest evidence of Eurasian stem-ape origin.

[@KasimAnafo-re7wu]

YOU are a good Story teller

[@0150Tricia]

What kind of foods were they able to eat? Grains, vegetables, grasses, what?

[@bonerici]

There was a variety of hominini and they didn't eat all the same things. He was mentioning a few fossils he figured might be homonim stem fossils

[@HNH421]

MARZ BARS

[@CharlesNewkirk-lb6uh]

Based on fossils, we're not out of Africa but migrated through Africa and then around the world. Isn't that amazing that fossils could prove scientific human evolution!

[@AMC2283]

by all means, where did homo sapiens evolve?

[@Rico-Suave_]

Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched twice 39:18

[@johnnybhoy4278]

This channel is fantastic. I never miss an episode. Thanks for what you do and keep up the good work!

[@evasartorius9528]

thank you

[@caseyjude5472]

This was a great interview & I really enjoyed it.

[@blandp11]

Great stuff. Thanks! Does this mean that the Gorilla-human/pan split happened in Eurasia rather than Africa? Or even the homo-pan split outside Africa as well?

[@jay6817]

The Mediterranean Sea dried up because the Gibraltar gap closed up. 19:52

[@JDUK71]

Well my latest hypothesis is that we all originally came from the sea, so we're all evolved fish. So lets have no more arguments over Africa, Europe, Black, White, monkeys or apes or whatever else. We're all fish guys so just chill the fuck out okay!

[@kinglyzard]

Our inner fish❤

[@vikingskuld]

I have to ask show me the mechanism for an organism to gain new information it never had before? Just one example and do your home work I don't want to hear of a copy of already existing genes I want the mechanism for change the evolution of the organism how can it get new never before had information. Decent with modification doesn't cut it either you have thousands of pairs of rna not to mention dna that all have to be almost perfect to function correctly so you can't get that mechanism that way either. It's their already existing and bad info. You can try to point out a bennificial mutation but I haven't seen one yet that doesn't come with the lack of function of a gene or genetic degradation that turns out to be more harmful then bennificial. So thank you I'm not trying to be rude just pointing out major flaws in this bad idea

[@terranbiped8358]

@@vikingskuld Your understanding of genetics is abysmal.

[@JDUK71]

@@vikingskuld What's that got to do with fish?

[@vikingskuld]

@@JDUK71 not a lot I'm just poking holes in the really bad idea that Darwins evolution is an actual scientific fact. There is no mechanism for an organism to gain new never before had genes or information. The organisms dna can degrade or it can copy its own information but there isn't a way for it to gain new info so nothing can evolve like they say. It doesn't happen. They don't have historical proof of it and noone has seen it happen so the change they say it takes to evolve isn't possible. Not once have I heard of or found an example for it. That's all I'm doing. I'm in no way trying to be rude to you or anything like that and I apologize if I may have come accross that way.

[@nikossolounias4017]

I published these ideas of migrations from Europe to Africa in my "savanna myth" paper - Nikos Solounias

[@pichan8841]

This is nothing to be shy about. Let your voice be heard, Professor Solounias! Why don't you put a link to your website in your comment. I reckon a scientist of your stature and renown would make a perfect guest on this channel, too!

[@mihaskocir5544]

great

[@OceanusHelios]

Divergence driven by climate change and migration forced by climate change is the generally accepted paradigm. I fully agree, almost. What is being neglected is migration caused by society and behavior. If you have a creature that has a family structure or a "band" such as a chimpanzee or gorilla, and you also have things like long term memory and facial recognition, or recognition of individuals....you could have strife within a band or between bands of apes. This can induce migration because some are pushed out of areas and into less favorable areas. And it can domino as populations grow. As population growth accelerates and pushes bands into new regions, it can accelerate the divergence of species. It is very difficult to link evolution with behaviorial and societal factors because in now way can those kinds of things be recorded in a fossil layer. But I think it is worth stating that we know that society and behavior were also factors. At least, we should infer that. In terms of science it is a very squishy thing to do and speculate on. But if we are going to discuss early apes and hominids we shouldn't leave these factors out of the story. We also shouldn't try to write stories and narratives. My point is that climate and catastrophe are not the only factors in speciation. I've long thought that the destiny in evolutionary terms for any organism can be affected in small ways such as having a preference of one food type over another, or one nesting behavior over another, or one mate over another. Most mammals can recognize family from non family and I also think this has played a role in the specieation of mammals.

[@srdjandobrota2864]

Anatolya, were fosil were found, a part of today Turkey, is not in Europe, just for the record.

[@joebanks9529]

Like with Ukraine recently.

[@bryansmith2479]

Turkey is european also

[@srdjandobrota2864]

@@bryansmith2479 Only very small part, but Anatolya where they found fosils are not Europe.

[@kinglyzard]

Where do the Hylobattids fit in? Before or after Akembo??

[@entropicemerald807]

Certainly after ekembo

[@thomascorbett2936]

Very interesting .

[@lemonpepperdry5818]

Thank you for this content/information. Very interesting.

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

31:07 How does the sampling effort of Middle-Late Miocene Europe compare to that in Eastern Africa, though? I don't have the hard data, but I suspect its been much greater in the former.

[@OmegaWolf747]

I guess that could be true. Just because we evolved in Africa doesn't mean all our ancestors were always there and never anywhere else.

[@djcuriosity6670]

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.". Charles Darwin

[@scottwhitemyer5501]

read your book, very interesting, thanks for your hard work.

[@alfmatta]

Excelente parabéns

[@JeffHoldenWS-NC]

So the ancestors of our ancestors evolved in Europe and Asia?

[@noelmorris1787]

What was the "Dark Secret"? The video was good enough without resorting to clickbait.

[@bigred8438]

Gryphopethicus looks reminiscent of a Macaque without the tail.

[@brendacooper5729]

Just out of curiosity, since I doubt all of the ancestral branches moved in and out of Africa at the same time, and since mega fauna was moving back and forth over the Beringia connection, did any of those ancestors make it into America? It would certainly explain many of the First Nations stories of giants and other non human humanoids, and the presence of really old really primitive tools, or possibly tools, at several American sites. Life forms adapt to conditions and quite possibly some of the apes would have adjusted to the changes rather than migrated away.

[@OceanusHelios]

Giants aren't real and never were. Also there are no talking snakes and there are no magic apples and there never were. You sound confused.

[@jan-erikjanson1995]

David skipped over the Gibbons line who on the ground were bipedal.

[@Jolene8]

Quite a bit of information was left out. I anticipated this lecture and was highly disappointed, but not surprised. This is the second time, on this channel, that I am aware of, of "professional scientists," skirting facts, including their own. From a professor of the sciences, it's disappointing.

[@secularsunshine9036]

*Let the Sunshine In...*

[@vamorris6316]

You can find is theory in books written over 100 yrs ago. I’m currently reading a book from 1920 that stated this theory before him.

[@show_me_your_kitties]

What's the name of the book?

[@vamorris6316]

@@show_me_your_kitties Gentilism religion before Christianity. So it just explains these theories are not new but rather ancient

[@show_me_your_kitties]

@@vamorris6316 All modern religions evolved from sun/sky watchers and worshipers of prehistory and ancient times. I'll look into the book. Thank you.

[@a44489]

I see the resemblance in past mother

[@nycgweed]

You made the apes go through Egypt Levantine etc where they could have gone over through Spain if there was a land connection

[@terryhunt2659]

He didn't "make" them: that's where the successively dated fossils have been found.

[@cinemaipswich4636]

At times in the past, the Mediteranian Sea was a group of lakes, and not one contigious barrier between Europe and Africa. It was not just apes that roamed about Europe.

[@terryhunt2659]

This is referred to at 19:40 in the video.

[@TheMinkfish]

How did they get across The Alps? Or the Russian Step?

[@OceanusHelios]

The same way we did by wandering through valleys and across flat areas. Traversing these areas is doable if you have food. Modern humans just have to drag everything they own with them. These organisms might not have had to if there were food sources along the way. And they didn't have to have a goal to get there, all they needed were other creatures or bands of members of their own species pushing them out and into less favorable conditions.

[@JamesWalters-s3u]

I'm not out of Africa myself 😊

[@teebagz1]

this is highly controversial. most anthropologists don't think the evidence points to Begun's hypothesis. they don't even bother disputing it for the most part.

[@entropicemerald807]

You're embarrassingly wrong and even still you're committing an appeal to authority fallacy. What is the argument against it?

[@teebagz1]

@@entropicemerald807 you don't understand the appeal to authority fallacy and there is nothing "wrong" in my previous post. the almost unanimous consensus amongst anthropologists is that apes and their/our ancestors evolved in Africa (as any intro to antho book will tell you). of course Begun may be correct but he has a LONG way to go to convince his colleagues and upend prevailing hypotheses.

[@entropicemerald807]

@@teebagz1 YOU font understand how an appeal to authority fallacy works dummy. You're citing a "unanimous consensus" and "any intro book" instead of presenting any actual argument. You APPEAL to the supposed "consensus" (authority) instead of presenting your position organically, maybe try a google search of what an appeal to authority fallacy is next time moron. The African apes emerged in Europe, as what IS "unanimous" is that they descend from a dryopith ancestor upon migration back into Africa. This is evidenced by the fact dryopith anatomy actually aligns with the extant African apes. What's your actual argument? How do you explain the fact dryopith anatomy aligns with the African apes moreso than the early Miocene monkey-like apes that were found in Africa before the European radiation? How do you explain the gap in later Miocene apes in Africa? I DARE you to say preservation bias, it'll bury your already weak (in this case non existent) position. Your position is literally built on an appeal to authority fallacy and you don't actually have an argument, what a joke.

[@marcpalco]

at about 6:00 in the animation suggest that these apes populating Europe were knuckle-walkers...that is not wright!

[@jamestodd2323]

I think these are just generic ape silhouettes

[@HNH421]

knuckle-walkers is so much moor likely than tightrope walkers -just saying

[@atheistbushman]

Extremely interesting-I often wondered about the origins of orangutans, which in some aspects are more intelligent and human-like than chimps, exhibiting, for example, an apparent sense of humor

[@LutzKnorr]

We were all once spores in the ocean

[@Murcans-worship-felons]

Don’t blame our ignorance and stupidity on the ape.

[@timhallas4275]

I believe that our direct ancestors were not one species, but a continuous coalition of several, or many species of homo. That means our linage could diverge into some African ape ancestors and some European ape ancestors. It seems logical, if not likely that our DNA has many roots.

[@AlbertaGeek]

Your belief is not supported by any science.

[@zombiespock4512]

Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle! Love the podcast!

[@davidsoulsby1102]

It would be amusing if Hominins originated from the land now under the Mediterranean sea. And no I don't mean Atlantis.....

[@theoldworldkitten]

Oh yeah is that so???? i'll have you know life began in the sea and Atlantis may be the actual birth place humans and some mammals that may have ventured into africa as well. So y'know whut...

[@JamesWalters-s3u]

MU 😊

[@deepdrag8131]

My ancestors came from New Jersey. I’m actually afraid to find out where their ancestors came from.

[@2nostromo]

I'm confused. Has the Scientific name, Proconsul africanus been changed?

[@EvolutionSoup]

To account for substantial morphological variation in the genus Proconsul, two species, P. nyanzae and P. heseloni, were placed in the new genus Ekembo.

[@2nostromo]

@@EvolutionSoup thank you

[@stefanschleps8758]

Mee Ape adapt too Key board, duh.... (Greetings from Bavaria!)

[@andrewwatson1690]

So the theory is now 'Out of Africa into Europe, back to Africa and out into the world?' 🙉😂

[@atifshahzad4728]

So How these early Apes moves towards Europe and back .They dont have any technology.

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

​@@atifshahzad4728they walk

[@mikenine1962]

The Professor mentioned climate became drier think he said 13 million years ago but doesn't know why. Saw an astronomy video, suggesting the sun has an undulating orbit of the Milky Way Galaxy once every 220 million years, which in turn would probably affect the earths climate.

[@RoninTF2011]

yeah sure....lol

[@mikenine1962]

@@RoninTF2011 As long as I don't sound like a genius, you do though :) Humanity is not liked, eBook series 'Religion Separates Man From God.'

[@eastafrica1020]

Brian Cox mentioned that in one of his lectures.

[@marioduddu471]

Very very interesting. Now can we hypothesize that Neanderthals and Denisovans independently evolved from European apes?

[@ToumaitheMioceneApe]

Well that would be a very ridiculous hypothesis since it goes against all the evidence we have right now.

[@nomandad2000]

We have actual DNA from both, and they diverged from us recently

[@eastafrica1020]

Was thinking the same thing. That's why Neanderthals were already in Europe when modern humans moved into Europe from Africa.

[@ToumaitheMioceneApe]

@@eastafrica1020 Neanderthals descend from a population of Homo heidelbergensis that left Africa before Homo sapiens did. That’s why Neanderthals were already in Europe and Denisovans were in Asia, because the share an African ancestor that would also give rise to Homo sapiens in Africa.

[@themuckler8176]

​@eastafrica1020 There was no "Out of Africa". It's a fairy tale

[@phil20_20]

Save Lucy! 🏈

[@hoon_sol]

A lot of Begun's hypothesis hinges on the assumption that there should have been fossil evidence for great apes in Africa at the time when he points out there's an absence of such, but I think this fails to properly account for how poorly fossilization occurs in the rainforest, which is where these apes would primarily live; and during the Miocene Climactic Optimum those rainforests would likely have extended far beyond their current range too. We didn't even have a chimpanzee fossil until just a couple of decades ago if I'm not mistaken.

[@OceanusHelios]

What are you talking about? Chimpanzees have been known about for many thousands of years. We don't need a chimpanzee fossil because we have.....chimpanzees.

[@entropicemerald807]

Preservation bias is totally irrelevant in this case since it has already been established that Europe at the time was filled with sub-tropical rainforests where these fossils are found. Additionally, there are regions in Africa that historically yielded fossils such as the afropithecus localities that yield nothing during the time of the European Miocene ape adaptive radiation.

[@hoon_sol]

@@entropicemerald807: It's not "totally irrelevant" at all. I'm talking about specific parts of his assumptions and some of the things he concludes from it. Not sure why you try bringing up something I explicitly stated as a fact as if that somehow contradicts anything I'm saying. Subtropical forests generally aren't going to be warm and wet enough to prevent fossilization to the same degree, so still finding some fossils there is to be expected. The _Afropithecus_ point just supports exactly what I'm saying: if the rainforests expanded during that time, it's very likely that the places where we found _Afropithecus_ fossils otherwise were too warm and wet for proper fossilization to occur during that period; a much more likely explanation that the apes being absent. What I'm saying isn't really that contentious. I have indeed confirmed that we didn't even have a proper chimpanzee fossil until quite recently, and such finds are quite rare. The tropical equatorial rainforests is extremely non-conducive to fossilization.

[@entropicemerald807]

@@hoon_sol sorry lmfao are you saying "subtropical" forests aren't humid and moist? The scientific name is literally "subtropical moist broadleaf forests", and you're saying they're not warm and wet?

[@hoon_sol]

@@entropicemerald807: Try actually reading what I'm writing instead of misrepresenting it. It's not that subtropical forests aren't typically warm and humid, and I never said that; but compared to a full-on tropical rainforest climate (Köppen climate classification "Af") as found near the equator it's not even close. It's simply a fact that subtropical forests allow for a higher degree of fossilization relative to a tropical equatorial rainforest, for which fossilization is exceedingly rare (again, as evidenced by our lack of chimpanzee fossils from the region despite chimpanzees and their ancestor species having lived there for tens of millions of years, and at least a few million as chimpanzees specifically).

[@trogic3927]

Hypothesis.

[@gemthomas]

How can these skeletal remains be attributes to humans ... Thats my biggest debate about the hypothesis...theres so many factora and even more x factors that cant be quantified ... How do we.know aome of these remains from Macedonia for example arent thr progenitors of modern orangutanga for example and not in our direct lineage

[@rickmartin7596]

An accumulation of diagnostic characteristics will be the deciding factor.

[@spacewaste2459]

DNA analysis

[@gemthomas]

@@spacewaste2459 DNA is not recorded and is basically impossible from fossils this old.

[@Chompchompyerded]

Oh, my comment got deleted. If I said something that someone found insulting in some way, I apologize. I did not intend for anything to be insulting. I really did find the presentation to be quite interesting. Maybe I just got too long winded. I do that sometimes. Again, I offer my apologies. I'm truly sorry, and I'll try not to do it again.

[@belvedere92]

Instead of telling us about the physical APPEARANCE the apes to prove the origin of humans, why not tell us about their DNA? DNA in animals tell us from whence they came, they leave markers in their DNA. Plus I would hope our ancestors were smart enough to find a warm place to get things started. Not Europe!

[@ciscodealmeida8541]

Earth is 8 billion years old according to people from other star systems that witnessed this creation and ever since have Tours here,

[@jaysmith6863]

Instead of asking where is the evidence, he asks tell us a story. All good stories start with millions of years ago in a galaxy far far away.

[@OceanusHelios]

Yeah? How about that story with the talking snake in it? Magic apples? Absurd.

[@jaysmith6863]

@@OceanusHelios The word snake doesn't appear anywhere in that story. Nor do magic apples. Study further

[@carlgildersleeve1359]

Africa was before Europe. I am only saying this cause the place that was frozen while humans was migrating was eroupe. And nothing could live in frozen regions for thousands of years. So let's start with that fact.

[@drfill9210]

The ancestor of my ancestor is my... friend?

[@drfill9210]

@@JT_Soul if you follow the formula: the ancestor of my ancestor is not related!

[@thesjkexperience]

If you believe in reincarnation, like half the planet, it could have been “you”. 🎉😊

[@drfill9210]

@@thesjkexperience some people have fried and eaten thousand year old mammoth... they could have been eating themselves?

[@thesjkexperience]

@@drfill9210 Yes! I don’t pretend to understand it all, but the book said “we have been the mother to every species “. It really makes you look at everything differently. I’ve wondered if we are being nostalgic studying Palio animals/people. 😂😳🤣

[@lordhegamonster6931]

What were We before we were small tree dwelling mammals in Africa?

[@rickmartin7596]

Synapsids.

[@RobertGotschall-y2f]

Where ever it was, it probably would have looked like Africa.

[@kp6215]

So excited because climate affects evolution on species 🤔 Because evolution science and climate with geology now that DNA can be analyzed this from 2010 AD most exciting because wholly Mammoth was in Alaska all year long with eating vegitation with all other species that all evolved with each other has always been my passion because History of Everything now has many various specialists that had not existed when I was reading science of everything with behavior of all living species that evolved that geology geography affected for everything with the sea barely studied . 😁👍

[@keithparker6520]

Another case of your name matching your job!

[@lincolnyaco5626]

Evidence for this European origin hypothesis is scant.

[@mysunnybird]

Unfortunately, the people who don't understand evolution, are people who don't care about reading or watching this type of program, and on top of that, they believe in religion, they believe in god; many of them believe in (Adam and Eve and the talking snake) It is very sad.

[@BbBb-vd2sj]

@mysunnybird It's not sad for them. It's only sad to you. So... stop complaining. Mind your own business. It is how it is.

[@edgein8632]

If you really understood evolution you would be embarrassed. The evolution we see is adaptation by mutations that degrade or break genes. Darwin’s finches have mutations on the XLM1 gene which degraded the growth of beaks. Nothing new created, evolution does not build it breaks. There is no evolution from a first simple cell.

[@yvonnemarie57]

@@BbBb-vd2sj so if a person makes a comment on a video that is relevant to the video….he isn’t minding his own business? It looks to me like you aren’t minding YOUR own business. You sound like a nut case.

[@vikingskuld]

Well I have a question for you then. Give me the mechanism that allows new never before seen information in an organism. Not copies of its own... just one example and the mechanism. Also can you give me one example of a bennificial mutation that doesn't come with a loss of information to the organism?

[@douglasmarshall2528]

😊😊

[@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands]

The Aardvark is African, not Asian.

[@zhubajie6940]

Yes, an Afrotherian but of course one mistake doesn't affect the argument of ape migration.

[@HNH421]

aardvarks wearing black leather jackets are call "Well-Hardvarks" and they are from west side story

[@fjccommish]

The ancestors of our ancestors were humans just like we are.

[@Axxe80]

Nope. They were ape-like beings.

[@redbeardsbirds3747]

@@Axxe80Why do people want their ancestors to be apes so badly…this is strange if you think about it…not criticizing people for thinking this I’m just curious why ? 🦍

[@Axxe80]

@@redbeardsbirds3747 ...because it's the scientifically proven truth.

[@AMC2283]

@@redbeardsbirds3747you're in the hominid family right now

[@AMC2283]

some rational objection or just against your religion?

[@LuisAldamiz]

Aren't all these new apes (Anadolius, Graechopithecus) too recent to be in our line? Sahelanthropus is already in our line, very clearly so (bipedal, human-like brain, already diverged from Pan) and is of roughly the same age 7-8 Ma. These are interesting but almost certainly a side branch rather, great apes must have already radiated by then. A cursory look at the paper suggests that these researchers are cherry-picking the evidence: where is Sahelanthropus in fig. 5? Where is Proconsul even?! This is sensationalism, not serious science!

[@terryhunt2659]

He cites Sahelanthropus at 21:14, as coming after the European fossils already described: don't underestimate the very large time frames involved; a huge amount of evolution can occur within one million years, particularly for shorter-lived species - it's about generations, not absolute time spans.

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@terryhunt2659 - I missed that. Not sure if it is my bad or that he just glossed over it so fast and unremarkably (especially for such a key fossil, which is, not "arguably" the first of our line, after parting ways with chimps and bonobos) that I just didn't notice. Would he comment something more than a single sentence, I'd stand corrected, but, considering how fast he goes over it, I can't say so. A million years is a lot but Homo sp. has been around for longer than 2 Ma, and the Pan-Homo clade ("hominins"?) has probably been around for 10-20 Ma (credible estimates for the Pan-Homo split range from 8 to as much as 17 Ma). So maybe what we should underestimate is the difficulty for fossils to preserve in jungle conditions, which are the worst... but also the ones in which we should expect to find most of our ancestors and in general those of Primates.

[@rogerrowles8702]

Evolution Always Occurs When And Where Conditions R Best !! DUH!!!😅

[@peacejen8732]

What about the bloodgroups . O gold and O neg Is spesial ❤

[@NotSoNormal1987]

What's so special about having a minority blood type, and having less doner blood available if you get a serious injury? Or your immune system killing your babies in the womb because you have rh negative blood? Seems more like a liability to me.

[@robokill387]

Minor nitpick, but aardvarks are a member of afrotheria.

[@HNH421]

MINOR FACKTIOD aardvarks wearing black leather jackets are call "well-hardvarks"

[@rebeccaselvage9211]

They started eating meat and that was the cause of the jawbone bigger because they in reality when they fight a different part of the clan they eat their dead they do not waste anyting so they began to eat meat they started killing other monkey's for meet specially newborns