The Ancients: Socrates

A lecture on the life and importance of Socrates delivered by Wesley Cecil PhD. at Peninsula College on 2/15/18.

[@BrianJohnson-nt2mo]

Thank you for posting these classes. For an old kodger living in a shack in the woods they are wonderful.

[@navyforeveryoungjean-phili5940]

Brian Johnson are you alone?

[@soitgoes290]

Young buck working fast food and smoking weed, great for me too

[@elenacassandracastorpollux14]

Sadly the teacher forgot the political context and the use of sofistes to teach the wealthy how to deceive the crowds during election time. And by the way eros=is sexual love agape=is the noble love that drives you to find the truth and honesty and learning. Greek has two words for love. "Agape"is also used in biblical and gospel translations as it referred to spiritual love ex a father "agapai" his daughter is a non sexual kind of love.

[@elenacassandracastorpollux14]

Sadly the teacher forgot the political context and the use of sofistes to teach the wealthy how to deceive the crowds during election time. And by the way eros=is sexual love agape=is the noble love that drives you to find the truth and honesty and learning. Greek has two words for love. "Agape"is also used in biblical and gospel translations as it referred to spiritual love ex a father "agapai" his daughter is a non sexual kind of love.

[@monklast9752]

I was thinking about my own place in the woods. Is it good.

[@ruygranja]

This must be the most inspiring lecture I ever met on KZbin. Today is the 5th or 6th time that I take it full of joy. It has the ability to invade us with a strange sense of peace and wisdom.

[@JustinMBailey]

This lecture was a nice reminder why you’re awesome Wes.

[@emilegeorge6225]

Greatest lecture about Socrates ever. Now i really understand why he was such an amazing thinker and fascinating person.

[@ruygranja]

Your are absolutely right!

[@stevenajao2369]

I listen to this lecture at least once a month. Thank you for uploading it.

[@elenacassandracastorpollux14]

They vilified him a lot and because they could not prove him wrong, they mocked him about his appearance. This is a recurrent item in the history of mankind.

[@carlogaytan7010]

Very true! Instead of engaging in data and actual concepts, people will ad hom to thier death!

[@joelouie5649]

Slander becomes the tool of the loser.

[@ParallelNewsNetwork]

@@carlogaytan7010 if only they read Socrates they would see how cliche they were being

[@Laocoon283]

Na I think he was just annoying af tbh

[@joshuaschmude7187]

I really love these lectures. I like the ones on language too. The way the information is presented is perfect! Lots of humor throughout the lecture makes for a truly enjoyable listening experience.

[@Drebin169]

I knew i agreed with Socrates teachings before, but I didn't realize how similar my philosophical views are to his. I believe to think and live like Socrates is the most legitimate and virtuous way to live life.

[@ColeWimpee]

Are you sure your philosophical views are similar at-all to Socrates? Did Socrates not implore that the life worth of 'legitimacy' and 'virtue' are found not from without, but from within? What good is your 'belief' if it is founded on faith, and not self-knowledge? Wouldn't Socrates challenge you on such a statement of belief?

[@user-pw9wm5ng8o]

the barnum effect

[@Laocoon283]

I'll send you sum hemlock

[@raymondparnell439]

​@@ColeWimpeeha ya got him 😂

[@-JDM-555-]

The 61 dislikes are all the Sophists that Socrates demolished in debate

[@MaserekaEric-cv8dt]

I am inspired by my grandfather's wisdom. I will live by his legacy.

[@visarbilali3419]

We’re so used in people giving us answers, that’s why we are surprised when sb asks only questions. LOVE SOCRATES

[@grstett]

Listening to this April 10 2020 during Covid-19 pandemic. Social distancing, country shut down.

[@dianacuero5889]

This was great!! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@alija83]

Excellent lecture, as usual. Thanks Wes.

[@Hondahead05]

Awesome work as always. Thanks for spreading the knowledge Wes.

[@nateellenberger6043]

I wanted to learn more about Socrates........and I found it with this lecture. Thank you for posting and for the great lecture.

[@RahellOmer]

WOWWWW this channel is alive! Looking forward to the next lectures.

[@ralitzaortman9110]

This is knowledge I never thought I needed. Thank You Very MUCH.

[@Prelude610]

Wonderful. Thank you.

[@eamestv]

Brilliantly done. Very spiritual. The beginning was hysterical. Smart and funny man. Thank you, time well spent.

[@hakim_alrooh]

Thank you Wes

[@Vladimir_The_Impaler]

The Ancient Oracle said I was the wisest of all the Greeks, it's because I alone of all the Greeks know that I know nothing. -- Socrates

[@Blackbird_magus]

You teach very well. Thanks.

[@agane1sh251]

Thank you Sir for Amazing guidance given by you. Unimaginable talk given by you. Regards

[@carlinsghost6535]

thank you Mr Cecil

[@catherinerosa-baker2937]

Thank you. This intrigued me in college I didn't quite understand it but it intrigued me I was a child then

[@alexandercle]

Thank you, my great and noble friend, you have done truly well, compared with many others, although there are great and much more to Socrates and Plato; but this presentation is much closer and more precise than many other lecturers and philosophers. altc

[@bob1881]

1:17 Tyranny and war: The great cycle of human history 2:47 Legal tender, = legal plunder (The fed) 5:40 Socrates: Never submit, never have faith 9:28 War hero 16:27 Where does knowledge come from? 20:09 Who gets to talk to the gods 🍄? 25:35 "Look, if you don't know that's fine but then stop telling everyone else." 41:47 "Knowledge has to come from you, your experiences, your reflections, your thought, and your divine inspiration." 49:55 "Don't have faith in me, have no faith. Have faith in yourself, believe in you. Find your truth, with your reason, and your divine inspiration."

[@jorden9821]

Socrates didn't believe in “your truth” he was not a relativist. He simply believed that you have to find the truth for yourself. He also believed that being told what the truth is doesn't actually teach you what THE truth is and is a tool for devious practice.

[@donnyowens4347]

I’m learning so much from these lectures. It’s like I’ve found gold or something. Thank you for posting these!

[@mobinznia9615]

great. after 4500 plus years;public are not ready to be thought some of his teachings on self determination ...

[@ballyragoonanan]

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[@johnnymartinez8162]

Wow how refreshing to hear an excellent lecturer!! Well done!!

[@alija83]

I would love to watch a movie about Socrates the way you described him :)

[@lordmountbatten154]

There is a movie, I think this is what you are looking for, Socrates 1971, author Roberto Rosellini, released 1971 in New York, I watched it on youtube this very week, that description of Socrates is precisely the same you are going to watch in the movie.

[@alija83]

@@lordmountbatten154 Hah, found it. Thanks!

[@lordmountbatten154]

@@alija83 My pleasure

[@jamesbunch8932]

Let's get a new movie happening. Directed by Wes Anderson, and starring Paul Giamatti as Socrates (or maybe Nick Nolte, lol).

[@royeaston6067]

Bill and ted excellents adventure.

[@j-doghulk9056]

Interesting on how everyone can come up with their own interpretations/impressions/takeaways on a subject. So our presenter's takeaway from Socrates is: "Do your own thing, don't let anyone tell you want to do" which no doubt will resound with our self centered society. What I got out of Socrates defense was his "Gadfly" metaphor, to sting the steed of state. Or, in other words: those who want to consider themselves philosophers should count themselves successful in that undertaking when they ask the difficult questions. More "question authority" than "do your own thing".

[@bubbalandbeau9872]

So I should think your way about Socrates?

[@S3aCa1mRa1n]

Preston Johnson Question everything

[@jamesharris184]

@@bubbalandbeau9872 Ask the difficult questions. The truth is no one remotely knows.

[@jamesharris184]

@@S3aCa1mRa1n question everything... And the truth is out there. See X Files

[@themightycelestial]

I'm also of those who Socretes as saying it more as "Question everything" than "Question authority".

[@monklast9752]

Oh Socrates how I wish I had known you.

[@luissarduy6345]

What an amazing teacher

[@ThingsFromCarlos]

I’m watching in 2020 and this is still great and relevant. Wish I had the lecture notes for this one.

[@erksp7961]

It will probably be relevant in the year 2120 too..

[@Great_Olaf5]

The lecture notes are available to download on his website.

[@DavidEdwards-tl9fn]

Thank you

[@patrickkrause1622]

Wes, I'm writing this thank you note as I watch the sunset over the Parthenon from the balcony of my apartment. Your presentation is so perfect for my present setting! I listened to the first half last evening before visiting the Acropolis and the jail site of Socrates. It made the visit so much more real. Your presentation style is so approachable. Enjoyable. Thank you, thank you.

[@OiMitch]

This is an awesome comment!

[@tigerlilysoma588]

So thug dude, so thug

[@victoriaruiz8447]

Wes makes learning fun

[@alexcorlew6041]

Hell yeah

[@stress2558]

Probably listened to this some 15-20 times by now, im not entirely sure, because it's leasure which he also has a fantastic tube video about that I listened to some 15-20 times.

[@elenacassandracastorpollux14]

Healthy mind in healthy body. Both are important in ancient Greek thinking everything has to be in the correct balance

[@facesmasher4216]

socrates: my hero

[@mr.president2274]

أعظم الناس بركة في ماله أكثرهم صدقة، ففي الحديث قال ﷺ: (ما نقصت صدقة من مال) وفي الحديث القدسي: (يا ابن آدم أنفق، أنفق عليك)

[@tigerlilysoma588]

Socrates gave us his death in a way. Through his death his taught his greatest lesson - honesty and truth and justice mean more than flesh.

[@mnyorej]

I started a Company after this great man, Socrates Investment Limited.. And a School... Socrates Academy... I love Socrates with great passion

[@tomrhodes1629]

Socrates is at the top of the philosophical ladder. And the next step is KNOWLEDGE; fully rational and ABSOLUTE knowledge, which is beyond the scope of human thinking. But it can be understood in symbolic terms, and it makes perfect sense. My book takes its reader to Socrates and beyond. And if you want to know more, including the simple answer to the coronavirus, my KZbin channel is just a "click" away....

[@geduxgedux]

@@tomrhodes1629 what kind of cult are you trying to get people into?

[@lwmaynard5180]

He's looking for worthy Rhodes scholars ? ?

[@erisdiscord1618]

Wow. I feel like I have been never submitting or having faith without even knowing Socrates' said the same. No wonder I had a really tough time growing up.

[@rissaroo1767]

Saaaameeeee!

[@KnowOurRoots]

Great mind

[@stavorulaalexandridis3351]

Knowthyself❤

[@aMulliganStew]

Through the intro I was reminded of “Rules for Rulers” by CGP Grey

[@TheInfamousHoreldo]

boom 2k Hope it keeps climbing

[@needisaymoore2138]

Please do Hannah Arendt

[@elenacassandracastorpollux14]

He argued that only the truth can be right and that doing good enriches your soul while deceiving others or doing bad impoverished and harms your soul

[@a.n.c.australia]

Yes, there are many philosophers, a great many of them, especially these days when the world population is considerably greater. They all share a love for... "energy" and "being happy" and "being healthy."

[@stavorulaalexandridis3351]

Free free free free Julian Assange. Socrates would say. First thinker. I am such a fan ❤ thankyou for this wonderful lecture

[@OnCharmLee]

The greatest philosopher and most noble teacher in human history who completely transcended the physical life and pursued the absolute truth. The ultimate truth pursuer who felt that the ultimately absolute truth and true God certainly exist, but could not say exactly what they are, and said by death that mankind should find out and practice them. Only tears in his pursuit of ultimate truth beyond death ...

[@jacob.vandrplas3415]

This is mostly correct, and should therefore get shitloads of thumbsup

[@tomrhodes1629]

The essence of Socrates is this: Wisdom is to know that you do NOT know. Wisdom is to recognize that we who are experiencing LIMITATION cannot hope to intellectually understand the absolute and limitless Truth. Socrates is at the top of the philosophical ladder. And the next step is KNOWLEDGE; fully rational and ABSOLUTE knowledge, which is beyond the scope of human thinking. But it can be understood in symbolic terms, and it makes perfect sense. My book takes its reader to Socrates and beyond. And if you want to know more, including the simple answer to the coronavirus, my KZbin channel is just a "click" away...

[@For_What]

He keeps referring to illicies💁. I dont know what that is and i know im not spelling it right. Can someone point me in the right direction so that i can learn more

[@JigtheGoblin]

So crates! Finally

[@JohnRiver490]

Dust. Wind. Dude!

[@MG-ge5xq]

For all the struggles I have in my life: maybe I am too much Socrates?

[@lifendeathchzlife5159]

I think the enlightenment period was because people actually had time to think, they were no smarter than us they just had more time to evaluate their lives with no mandatory interruption.We are busy busy busy working working working, plus the educational system is screwed. I THINK being too busy is program into this system so that we dont have time to evaluate our position in life, just work. But I do love reading about the great thinkers.

[@anab0lic]

its not just work, its the constant distractions that we have in our non work time, the internet and all that comes with that being the biggest offender. These people didn't have so many things fighting for their attention, constant entertainment at the touch of a button, often ideas and questions were what they would occupy their minds with for days. Personally I have found the best way to uncover the wisdom that lies within us is through writing. Just me and my keyboard, sometimes accompanied with the kind of music that puts you in a highly introspective/deep thinking state. I would say that has done more for my understanding of the world and personal wisdom, insight and internal growth than anything I have ever read or watched. So I agree with Socrates in that wisdom cant be really taught by others, it must be self learnt for it to be fully understood and useful.

[@lifendeathchzlife5159]

@@anab0lic I agree with you on the distractions at or finger tips. I dont even own a television. I was really speaking about my own life. I basically just work and come home and prepare for bed. I agree also that wisdom can't be taught, only knowledge can be taught. It's like science and technology, you dont start with technology, science comes first then comes technology/ applied science. I have alot to learn. And I agree with Socrates also because the more I learn, the more i realize i know nothing. But for me, I've found that true wisdom comes from God and His word. I've found that knowledge also comes from being around alot of wise people. I like to study (when I have the time) to Johann Sebastian Bach, he's my favorite! What are you study mostly? I believe that for people who do actually study, don't give their attention to one thing. I'm reading Cleon skousens book the Naked Communist, and I also wanted to know more about fracking and the Vostok Ice Core samples. Man I've text too much, I guess when I have my leisure time I talk too much.

[@jerrykitich3318]

What if I look into myself and decide that stealing from others is right? What would Socrates say about that?

[@Rico-Suave_]

Watched all of it 1:00:03

[@orphanmanchu9963]

02:46 regarding the use of paper money in China because of threats of force.... bronze cast coins were the standard from the Han to Tang dynasties, but paper money proved to be useful as the demand for money exploded over time. The economy could not grow without a growth in money supply, and when bronze coins could not be produced in sufficient quantities, forgeries started to fill the demand (even blatantly counterfeit coins). Nobody needed to force the population to accept paper money, I think what is referenced here is possibly linked to the era when it dramatically lost value in the market in the early Ming dynasty and counterfeiting was notoriously widespread.

[@a.n.c.australia]

Two words of uttermost importance. KNOWLEDGE BASE. And I mean, ideally on everything... Search by keywords, print half a page summary (the summarization A.I. has been around for a while now) and react to anything. And I really mean anything. Including having to explain Heidegger in fine-grained detail. Yes. I really mean anything at all. Including SATRATEGIES, META-STRATEGIES and WHAT"S UP NEXT. Because I'm always asked what's up next, and I don't know to be honest.......

[@guynouri]

Excellent. Cell door open

[@tommyodonovan3883]

I hope you do *"Diogenes"*

[@DJSTOEK]

🖤

[@raymondparnell439]

I didn't go to school school bloody hated it but love learning what's wrong with me 😂😂😂

[@mementocatharsis9372]

Never submit. Never have faith. And have empathy for those who do.

[@tomrhodes1629]

Yes, Memento. But the essence of Socrates is this: Wisdom is to know that you do NOT know. Wisdom is to recognize that we who are experiencing LIMITATION cannot hope to intellectually understand the absolute and limitless Truth. Socrates is at the top of the philosophical ladder. And the next step is KNOWLEDGE; fully rational and ABSOLUTE knowledge, which is beyond the scope of human thinking. But it can be understood in symbolic terms, and it makes perfect sense. My book takes its reader to Socrates and beyond. And if you want to know more, including the simple answer to the coronavirus, my KZbin channel is just a "click" away...

[@shelleyharris2850]

Golden Years

[@go_to_explore]

42:10 "the divine inspiration" is very well defined/clarified in Bible, just read it.....

[@mbtisocialclub]

I opened the pesto 11 pm July 27

[@tigerlilysoma588]

Wes, I doubt you’ll see this on an older video but, I am wondering if you would care to critique and/or analyze Nietzsches criticisms of Socrates? I’m having trouble finding fault with it except for the tone of the writing... which may be everything that there is to it after all... Sometimes I just don’t get if Nietzsche is just being nasty or what... Thank you.

[@richardtaylor7170]

I wish that you had addressed the problem that we get all of Socrates second hand. To my knowledge we really don't know that Socrates was even that skeptical. Our only source on the subject, Plato, seems at times to paint Socrates as the ultimate system deconstructing skeptic and sometimes as the builder of strange, elaborate, and arcane systems.

[@tomrhodes1629]

Socrates is best understood if you keep him simple. Complexity was Plato and Aristotle's bag of errors. The essence of Socrates is this: Wisdom is to know that you do NOT know. Wisdom is to recognize that we who are experiencing LIMITATION cannot hope to intellectually understand the absolute and limitless Truth. Socrates is at the top of the philosophical ladder. And the next step is KNOWLEDGE; fully rational and ABSOLUTE knowledge, which is beyond the scope of human thinking. But it can be understood in symbolic terms, and it makes perfect sense. My book takes its reader to Socrates and beyond. And if you want to know more, including the simple answer to the coronavirus, my KZbin channel is just a "click" away...

[@elenacassandracastorpollux14]

He said that whoever does something immoral or teaches something immoral hurts his own soul

[@actualideas8078]

Polus would disagree

[@elenacassandracastorpollux14]

Not All the wealthy, he had Pluto his pupil from a wealthy aristocratic family that backed the less fortunate people loved him and wanted to save him. Plato was a nick name indicating that he was a very big man and founded the peripatetic philosophical school

[@Laocoon283]

1 press conference a month seems like a good amount lol.

[@mbtisocialclub]

What’s my value in the world?

[@topherming6565]

"I am amused, I said, at your fear of the world, which makes you guard against the appearance of insisting upon useless studies [geometry in particular and mathematics in general]; and I quite admit the difficulty of convincing men that in every soul there is an organ which is purified and illumined by these studies, when by other pursuits lost and dimmed; and this eye of the soul is more precious far than ten thousand bodily ones, for this alone beholds the vision of truth." (Plato's Republic, Book VII.)

[@alan2here]

Is Socrates “divine inspiration” referring to creativity?

[@proksenospapias9327]

Yes this seems pretty close to the words he used. The greek word is daemon, or daemonio. It's pretty hard to translate it to english, think of it as both consciousness and a sudden burst of creativity. It could be described as 'that little voice inside your head" if u know what I mean.

[@johnstewart7025]

@@proksenospapias9327 I heard that he said the daemon only told him what not to do. So, it reminds me of what Christians would call a conscience. Someone like Bertrand Russell would say that conscience is produced simply by childhood training. An evolutionary biologist might say that some human behavior is determined in our genes.

[@pinchhitter8389]

Yes and no...creativity imagination are a part of the soul as Socrates understood it.

[@tomrhodes1629]

Socrates is literally referring to divine inspiration. It can manifest creativity. But divine inspiration provides MOTIVATION for WHATEVER the task. The primary meaningful task in this world is LEARNING. And the ultimate lesson to be learned in this world is quite simple: DESIRE ONLY TRUTH. (I speak of Socrates extensively in my book.) Want to know more? Including the simple answer to the coronavirus? My KZbin channel is just a "click' away.....

[@sniperguff]

49:34, i would say the Tao, like a stone.

[@elenacassandracastorpollux14]

He searched the truth as only the truth is wisdom and that is the only thing worthwhile teaching to improve society. And he is said to have been a freed slave

[@TheMrmodernmonkey]

Never Submit Never have Faith

[@matsulrich7765]

11:47

[@CP-lp9pb]

I enjoyed the presentation! I am a 'Voluntaryist', or 'Anarchist', which comes from the Greek, meaning 'No Rulers'. The ongoing theme and/or message I got from this talk about Socrates is that he was pointing towards a 'Voluntaryist' or 'Anarchist' society as the ultimate 'Good' or 'Moral' or 'Ethical' way of living. But, from my reading about Socrates, it seems that he paradoxically, in the end, viewed the 'State' as a 'legitimate' authority and thus bowed down to its version of 'justice' by drinking the poison. Or perhaps, he willingly died at the 'State's' direction as a final act of defiance showing others the 'illegitimaticy' of the 'State'. Any comments about my thinking? Do you believe Socrates was a 'Statist' or a 'Voluntaryist'(Anarchist)?

[@samisiddiqi5411]

Socrates was neither and you're pretty gay.

[@CP-lp9pb]

@@samisiddiqi5411 What an 'intelligent' comment??? Care to try again?

[@samisiddiqi5411]

@@CP-lp9pb "lol look at me I'm a voluntarist I'm so unique just like everybody else" nigga you clearly haven't aged past 14

[@tomrhodes1629]

Socrates submitted to the government and execution for precisely the same reason Jesus Christ did, as my book explains. And the essence of Socrates is this: Wisdom is to know that you do NOT know. Wisdom is to recognize that we who are experiencing LIMITATION cannot hope to intellectually understand the absolute and limitless Truth. Socrates is at the top of the philosophical ladder. And the next step is KNOWLEDGE; fully rational and ABSOLUTE knowledge, which is beyond the scope of human thinking. But it can be understood in symbolic terms, and it makes perfect sense. My book takes its reader to Socrates and beyond. And if you want to know more, including the simple answer to the coronavirus, my KZbin channel is just a "click" away...

[@FroggyBoi_Productions]

No, Socrates was not a Voluntaryist considering he was not for Capitalism and promoted Democracy instead. He viewed all forms of other government outside of democracy as corrupt and unsuitable for society. Nor was he a statist because he believed that the people should be the real voice of the land and manage the government themselves not the other way around or by individual states. He did not disagree with the government only in how it was governed and probably preferred that considering Athens at the time was exactly that. At least until the later years when the people in power panicked about the oncoming war and wished to make soldiers protect the city but Socrates had no qualms to do so and instead wished to enlighten the youth not send them to war as he had previously done himself, his ideal society was one lead by philosopher-kings that overseen the nations as he felt they could make the best ethical decisions and listen to the people correctly without personal gain. He drank the poison due to the fact because he had known the city his whole life and seldom left it except for when he went to visit the oracle and when he went to war. He had no wish to leave Athens and he had no wish to be silenced or make apologies for speaking the truths he was speaking. He did not want to leave the city he loved and he did not fear death he also did not feel he did anything wrong, and that's why he drank the poison not because the state was a legitimate authority and he bowed down to them but he stood up to them and refused to play their political games and sought for the ultimate truth for all people regardless of the pressing situation for the city.

[@danielh8437]

you have to desire to do good

[@shaccooper]

This seems to be based on the interjection of instructors worldview more than Socrates. I guess that’s a consequence of not recording your own thoughts

[@a.n.c.australia]

Alright. But they didn't have electronic communication in Antiquity, so everyone was a little more safer!!! But hey, wherever there's sensitive electronic communication, including funding and creation of funds, there should be web crawlers too. So I think the internet is good.

[@tru_710]

As for the intro, thats not exactly how it went all the time. Sometimes, it would be a tribe of humans that were being attacked. The ones that would lead, protect and defend them were often times made into the leaders of the tribe. Not because they forced everyone to listen to them, but because they could defend everyone from outside threats whether humans, animals or even starvation by finding or growing food and sometimes by building shelters that everyone could stay in. Many of the first leaders were chosen. They did not force their way in.

[@KeithMakank3]

"People who hire others to ghost write books for them" - like those who use software libraries they don't understand but claim an absolute knowledge of them

[@samisiddiqi5411]

This is very well said, and true for a lot of programmers I know.

[@elenacassandracastorpollux14]

He sowed them for the hypocrites that they were! Human nature has not changed today has remained unchanged

[@vinorocky282]

So at 26:37, you just described that "you have to desire to do good...". If there is no desire, and you are just doing good to say you are doing good...isn't that "virtue signaling?"

[@lowrydan111]

Yes. I suggest asking why you have no desire to do good?

[@tomswan3401]

54:34 that example about signing that stupid form to be able to teach, meaning earning money and make a living. often we make those compromises, without them we wouldn't have a job. that socrates seemed he didnt care about cold, about washing regularly (hygiene). things one does if he has the money and conditions to do, which come with a job. so maybe if one doesnt make that compromise to get the job one would need to live with little to no money (dont have hygiene, maybe poor health). need to read what trade socrates was in (besides all those discussions about know yourself and be true to yourself).^^

[@derekw6907]

Never submit. Unless it sets a precedent. He submitted to his sentence. Never have faith. A life aimed to understand the good ended with an offering. Never submit and never have faith don’t seem the best way to sum up Socrates.

[@actualideas8078]

Socrates’ death was probably just political theater. Question everything my friend.

[@matthafer2415]

Eros is a specific kind of love that is consumptive in nature it has, in modern times, become synonymous with sex but that's a misreading of the word. When you have Eros for a thing you want to become one with it.

[@fretlord4201]

So, Socrates was a big war hero right? He was, by what I have read, a terror on the battlefield. Tough as nails, shoeless in the snow, and holding back droves of men single-handedly. I wonder what effect that had on his method, because he asked some annoying questions to people and nobody ever punched him in the mouth or anything. Do you think it was because he was a big scary guy?

[@facesmasher4216]

Mike Young i dont think so

[@mementocatharsis9372]

Yes, he slayed in battle. Many men. This was expected of males.

[@mementocatharsis9372]

@Hurling Camogie To true. But Athens was his home. And he fought for it many times.

[@a.n.c.australia]

Nobody is able to justify a Religion of Genocide. I think I am in a phase where I want to discuss more technical problem-solving issues, at least for today :)

[@lwmaynard5180]

Yet we justify the abortion distortion , Arbort Mission? ?

[@claimofthrones4955]

Too bad I can only give this one ‘like’.

[@Havre_Chithra]

WWOOOOOTTT

[@madmax8405]

A list for you: Epicurus, Diogenes and Epictetus.

[@dustinsearing9590]

The bestest lmao I use this word

[@shelleyharris2850]

The system

[@Whydontyougousetherestroom]

W000000000OOOOOO