The Andrea Doria Shipwreck Diving Disasters

[@Diveplanwithjim]

This is why when we dove the AD, my Dad wouldn’t let me go too far in beyond Gimbel’s Hole. I told him I wanted something with AD’s name on it, and he said “you do. Your dive log.” Best advice ever.

[@davidpawson7393]

Do you dig up caskets too?

[@Diveplanwithjim]

@@davidpawson7393What the fucking fuck are you talking about? Divers have been taking plates and cups and stuff like that from the AD since forever. No one is taking watches off of a dead mamma wrist or anything. For fuck’s sake.

[@gregsbiplays9899]

@@davidpawson7393 I hate people who take shit off wrecks

[@goodshipkaraboudjan]

@@gregsbiplays9899 Yeah it's disgusting. I've done plenty of dive trips on war wrecks around Australia, PNG and the Pacific without the thought of taking anything even entering my head. I remember one skipper, ex RNZN, saying something to the effect of "you'll be f*cking swimming home" to a yank who asked about the chances of taking home a souvenir off one wreck.

[@ItsOttis]

​@@goodshipkaraboudjanyankies really do love a gift shop

[@garyszabo1768]

I was one of the 3 Captains aboard the Seeker on the trip when Vince Napoliello was lost. Capt. Dan and John were diving when Vince surfaced near the "Sea Inn". Aboard the Seeker we were unsure if the diver was one of ours or theirs. Due to everyone on the Sea Inn performing life saving efforts, I contacted the Coast Guard and requested a helicopter evacuation which took about 75 minutes to arrive. Shortly after we discovered he was our passenger. A dark day . . . it was also the 3rd diver fatality for us that year. The following year 2 more divers died . . . one was a Seeker crew member. Thanks for the video. Having been part the Seeker operation, the information in the video was correct.

[@Haywiredigital]

Amazing. Sorry for your losses.

[@matthewbyrd398]

And, you and your team allowed divers to dive alone?!

[@garyszabo1768]

@@matthewbyrd398 Obviously you're not a Northeast wreck diver where solo diving is common despite the depths and risks . . . It is what it is. We were just a charter operation . . . just the bus driver. It was up to each individual on how you chose to dive. If you're a recreational diver or a diver at all, you may find this hard to digest, but this type of technical diving operated differently in many ways.

[@rickpeterson8825]

@@garyszabo1768 Im not a diver in any way lol ! But i respect your pov ! Obviously it's a terrible experience to lose clients/divers/ etc ! Especially divers who've you've had as guests on your vessel, and surely have some level of familiarity, so its not a good feeling im sure ! Thanks for commenting about these experiences and what it was like ! To close , imo, whenever we do things that risk our lives , or are possibly deadly , WE MUST ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS!! Sorry for the losses and may all the families and friends find comfort in at least knowing they died doing what they loved!

[@Jeff-S]

@Gary Szabo Sorry man. That's rough. I remember that year, I was training for divemaster cert. Seeker got some negative media but that waned. Never got tech certified. I stuck to spear fishing and non tech wrecks like San Diego and Lizzie D. Got too spooked from the summer '98 deaths and others. I do understand that it is safe using correct training guidelines.

[@phillipdavies6548]

As an ex diver and instructor at the British Army Diving School it amazes me that divers go solo or do not use a buddy system when diving this deep. The Deep really doesn't care how much experience or knowledge you have it can kill regardless. First thing we learned as recruit divers was that it is dangerous. Familiarity breeds contempt I guess producing fatal overconfidence in ones abilities to be able to overcome the hostile environment. Thankfully, none of the rescue attempts ended in further tragic fatalities.

[@Jeff-S]

I solo have gone diving. But I wouldn't do it on a tech dive. That's just silly! (at my age now, I wouldn't anymore). When I solo dived, I had two scissors that can cut through mono filament and two knives. Two independent air supplies. (pony or doubles that can be isolates). And I never did it in a current and only from shore on shallow dives requiring no deco and no safety stop needed in an emergency. I also would never go near any nets (there were a lot on the bottom). One guy went on a solo dive to remove a heavy rope net off a small sunken boat at 30 feet. He got so entangled that he finally abandoned his gear. They found him with one strand of rope from the net stuck on his fin 7 feet from the surface. So he almost made it but got stopped by the one piece of rope with no scuba. What a horrible way to go.

[@SurfingTubes]

Curious, at such depths, why don't they just leave a few emergency oxygen tanks at the wreck, maybe a couple at Gimble's cut hole?

[@TomFynn]

I read a book of Robert Kurson "Shadow Divers" about people who discovered a German submarine on the US coast and he said the divers on the AD dived alone because the depth at the time would give the divers nitrogen narcosis. So much so that when a diver got into trouble he would go into panic mode and attack any other diver trying to help. The buddy system would be useless.

[@JelMain]

@@SurfingTubes Because they'd soon disapper into the silt, inside the hull, and be washed away by the current if outside.

[@JelMain]

There's no mention of checking diving qualifications, either.

[@aluminumsalmongames6277]

Insanity. No piece plates and cups are worth your life. I'd chalk this up to the same thing that kills people on Everest. Tunnel vision. People obsess over doing something and overestimate what they can do.

[@gerryanderson6378]

Imagine putting that on one's tombstone. "He died for some plates."

[@shotforshot5983]

Trinkets, shiny things, badges of accomplishment. Think of pearl diving. Think of digging for gold. Moon rocks. Counting coup. Exploration and being the first. Seeing something for yourself. The list goes on.. Their priorities don't have to be yours.

[@qwerty112311]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@andrewrobertsmith7367]

@@shotforshot5983, Still dumb & I'm sure if everybody who died could do it again, there wouldn't be many willing to take that risk a second time.

[@sirridesalot6652]

Consider that many people pay big money to get to these sites and then don't want to return empty handed. THAT, in my opinion, is why so many EXPERIENCED people take unusual (for them) risks.

[@Luckser74]

Fun fact in a tragic video: the Andrea Doria sinking was so big news that in some places in Italy (like in Sardinia) some elderly still have a way of saying to describe people who had too much ego and met a bad fate that goes along the lines of “[he] met the same end as the Andrea Doria”. Literally a proverbial event

[@OfftheWallTales]

Wow, I can imagine that so easily. This was a tragedy of course but so few died (none from sinking, just from the collision or loading onto lifeboats) that I can even see my great gram saying that. Her parents immigrated from Italy in 1901 and 1919, both from Sicily so it would've been remembered if this happened to either ship. And Italians love making examples of a major moment of stupidity (i.e. the captain flying through fog) to use later on as a point. It amuses the hell out of me.

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

@@OfftheWallTales Actually, it's worth pointing out that a lot of people develop colloquialisms and "inside" proverbs about things like that... It's usually not something so widely known unless it's a pretty big and high profile situation, but analogies will be made for months after an unseemly event or bit of irony... Some make the cut to enter the language of proverbs, and some don't, for whatever reasons. A "Pyrrhic Victory" is a technical win on the battlefield that's destroyed everything that was fought for and at the expense of most of the lives of the victorious army... It's so named for a Roman General who vowed to win a battle at any cost, and followed right through to cost more than anything the victory could've been worth... "Orwellian" refers to George Orwell, and is a political sentiment toward leadership or governance that seemingly relates to "Animal Farm" most often, but some of his other works generally... Anything "Lovecraftian" refers to H.P. Lovecraft, or one of the derivative publications or media references over the years, as if it mimics the writing style as such... Some of these things are insulting, like calling someone a "Niimrod", and some aren't so much, or (depending on perspective) can even be congratulatory... Italians don't even have a monopoly about whole phrases, though in conventional language, it usually gets pared down over time to just a simple term of reference, and meaning is either assumed "popular knowledge" or can be ascertained by context... Some of the origins are just a bit more obscure, depending on the origins and how far they've traveled or mutated is all... We might (if it makes the cut) just say, "He Andrea Dorea'ed himself, didn't he." give or take a few decades... Languages are living, growing, and changing things... It's kind of cool, even fascinating how terms get traded around even without a whole lot of contextual knowledge and can change a LOT... I think the way distant and ancient vocabularies (like Latin) can have SO MUCH influence on English and most of Europe's terminologies... Even while so many claim it "dead"... ;o)

[@saltmerchant749]

@@gnarthdarkanen7464 A pyrrhic victory, takes its name from Pyrrhus of Epirus, who was in fact a Greek King of Epirus who fought against Rome and Carthage, in what was known as the Pyrrhic War (280-275BC). Although winning a number victories against Roman armies in the field and at sea against Carthage, Pyrrhus and the Kingdom of Epirus combat losses were so great that although the battles were won, the war was ultimately lost. The quote ascribed to Pyrrhus about how "one more victory like the one he had just had would be his undoing" first appears in Plutarch's Lives of the Noble Greeks and Romans, written some several hundred years later.

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

@@saltmerchant749 Oh... well, at least someone kept it all straight... haha... I picked it up "self studying" Latin, so a bunch of the even slightly less "popular knowledge" details occasionally get a little blurred together... Thanks... I'll more or less stand by my original definition of the "Pyrrhic Victory" (however?) and leave that comment "as is" so maybe more interest comes to yours... I gotta find that notebook from years ago now, and double check the old notes... ;o)

[@pickles3128]

@@gnarthdarkanen7464 I love your post! I think Lovecraftian really describes a genre being created, though, because I can't really think of any writings that come close to "cosmic horror" prior to him. The only work of art, not even writing, close to it would be, perhaps, the hellscape in Hieronymous Bosch's _Garden of Eden_ ? And even then, that's not the same, really. Although language is, as you say, growing and evolving, I still would find it abhorrent to use 'literal' as a statement of emphasis rather than to differentiate from a figurative one. "I had a literal broken heart thanks to endocarditis, and had to have surgery." And nobody knew Bugs Bunny was sarcastically referring to Elmer Fudd as a great hunter as he called him "my little Nimrod," probably because they were little kids who hadn't read the Book of Genesis yet and thus adopted it to mean idiot, but I'm not going to use nimrod to insult someone's intelligence And don't even get me started on my campaign to get the diaresis used more often, or even retained, in English. _The New York Times_ hasn't given up on it! Funnily enough, I had my own "cosmic horror" event one night after travelling to the southern hemisphere and into the Australian outback. I looked up into the sky for the first time, far from any of Sydney's light pollution, and didn't see any of the star systems I recognized. At that moment my 15-year-old avid stargazing-self realized how far away from home I was, what a great force it would take to ever get back, and how infinitesimal I was to the greater universe, accompanied with a terror which I cannot properly articulate. After a time, a farmhand found me curled up in some bushes, rocking back and forth, my clothes covered in the red dirt of the outback. "You, uh, you all right there, mate?" he asked. "No! Tell me, sir, I beg... What is THAT?" I pointed upward with one shaky hand at a particularly bright, completely alien constellation. "You mean those stars? Oh, that one's called the Southern Cross." "But where's the Big Dipper!?" I cried out, taking his momentary silence as ignorance. "I can't find the Big Dipper!" I reiterated, as the last part dissolved into fresh sobs; again, I resumed the fetal position. He must've assumed I was drunk, although the bottle of bubbly lying next to me remained unopened, dropped and completely forgotten in my epiphany, as he heaved me up over one of his arms and walked me back to the girls' cabin. I continued to ramble incoherently about Orion's Belt and the Pleaides to the poor man the entire way.

[@darthgrundle2349]

I had a friend that dove on the her in the early 80's. He said it was a mess. There's fishing nets tangled everywhere, visibility was terrible and most things of any value had already been stripped and the hull was already collapsing onto the ocean floor..Said he'd never do it again....

[@Niftynorm1]

Smart man. I was a navy corpsman and life is just too valuable for stupidity.

[@nancytestani1470]

Good…

[@kay9549]

Just to mentioned who would even consider a dive at that depth ? She is lying after all this years in a depth over 200+ feet. Looking forward to current time, sure after 60+ years there is nothing left of this beautiful ship that was pride of Italy after ww2.

[@ruebencover5795]

Your friend is talking crap

[@Jace-Briand]

​@ruebencover5795 ?

[@arftejano2284]

Much like caves, open water divers routinely get themselves killed in overhead environments, which a wreck is. Open water divers will not get cave training because they would never dream of diving a cave, but then go into what are, for all intents and purposes, man-made underwater caves with no fear or training.

[@spiralrose]

If more instructor’s presented this like you have, maybe the similar risk would be taken a touch more seriously.

[@samanthaw3845]

What’s especially wild is the depth of the Andrea Doria - at 250 feet, pretty much the only divers going down there are going to be divers with technical training, the type of people that you would think would know that they shouldn’t go into a wreck without a wreck diving certification!!

[@trickhealey]

Jesus. Even to 90-100 ft we had lines and extra tanks and regulators at decompression stops. I guess I didn’t dive enough to develop undue confidence. Complacency has no place in the ocean.

[@kevinmalone3210]

I once read a book called, Shadow Divers, and it mentions the Andrea Doria. There's a story in there about a group of 3 men who dived on the Doria, but one diver got a piece of rope caught on his equipment at the entrance of the ship. It may have been at Gimbal's hole. As he tried to get free of the rope, behind his back, he accidentally bled air from his dry suit, and went negatively buoyant. He kept losing buoyancy, as he tried to get free of the rope, he started panicking and ended up breathing one tank dry. He switched to another tank, but he accidentally switched to a small backup tank by accident, breathed that one dry, and went into a full blown panick. The other divers tried to help him, but the situation only got worse. In his panick, he spit out his regulator, and dove straight down into the ship, while still having 1 full tank of air on his back, slashing the water with his dive knife, and was never seen again.

[@Julyfaction]

Pics or it didn't happen 📷

[@austingode]

@@Julyfactionwhat the guy didn’t die ? Are you asking for photos of him panicking and drowning? Strange

[@LathropLdST]

​@@Julyfactionto a pathetic 🤡 like you, I wouldn't give even the time of day...

[@mozpatton]

@Julyfaction stfu scrub you aint from nowhere

[@km3268]

Shadow Divers is a great book.

[@gtw4546]

"My life will be complete" "This would definitely be . . . last trip to the Doria" - true words, but not as intended!

[@rejaneflorinda6162]

Self-fulfilling prophecy...

[@ryszakowy]

pulled a sneaky one on everyone

[@Pack.Leader]

Indeed. My thoughts exactly. People need to be careful what words they choose to speak. Knocking on wood is also a great habit to get into.

[@lesigh1749]

Imagine dying while trying to steal some dishes from a grave site.

[@david8583-o7k]

Just dumb

[@TheWoblinGoblin]

And paying through the nose for the opportunity

[@ItzWhiz_]

Imagine not dying while trying to steal some dishes from a grave site. Smh

[@VirgilTStone]

God's judgement, or Karma.

[@shawnsustrich7981]

The terrifying part is they have plenty of time to think about that when it becomes too late.

[@annalisagentile6028]

My father was on the Andrea Doria. He survived. But it was something he would never forget.

[@danielgyllenbreider]

@@johnd8755 Very hard to hold that in yeah:)

[@DeadPixel1105]

"Every dead body on Mount Everest was once a highly-motivated person. So... Maybe calm down."

[@Sebastianmaz615]

😆😂🤣👍🏼

[@ToyotaGuy1971]

Right, drink some milk, watch some robot wars or something. lol

[@brandiblandford8534]

​@@ToyotaGuy1971😂😂

[@BumbleBee-Bread]

Let the depression win with this advice

[@Constantin_Sime]

...When you are highly-motivated and adventurous, it's hard to know where is the fine line between courage and foolishness...

[@hopegallows1392]

My uncle died diving the Andrea Doria in 2006. He had been down there several times before, but this time he experienced decompression sickness which triggered a heart attack. He was dead before he could surface.

[@gaildonaldson6966]

Get married for an expensive set of China 🍽️ OR risk your life at the bottom of the oceon for some? 🤿...... (after a disastrous 25 year marriage, I recommend the oceon route! 🛳️⚓

[@bluesira]

@@gaildonaldson6966 Your joke is in poor taste.

[@bluesira]

Sorry for your loss.

[@hopegallows1392]

@@gaildonaldson6966 dude he was an archeologist. He was trying to document the impact sights before it rusted away.

[@Jay5-0]

A feat equal to climbing Everest. He died doing what he loved. He lived more than most people do in a lifetime. Rest In Paradise.

[@Chris-lw5mw]

Imagine dying for a fucking plate.

[@JohnSmith-is8nq]

HAHAHAHA MY EXACT thought, word for f'ing word lolll

[@garyphillips3552]

My niece died from seven different covid shots. She didn't even get a plate out of it.

[@groovekingmuzz2699]

No doubt...I have done things that should have taken my life...Having said that,some people aren't content with a simple game of whiffle ball,i suppose...Risk it for fame and silverware,maybe...

[@david2727]

​​​@@garyphillips3552 I almost died from your stupid comment.

[@thomaswburkhart]

i mean it’s a pretty cool plate

[@TheGreatest1974]

Most of the deaths on the Andrea Doria happened when the wreck was still able to be entered by experienced divers, and some of the routes taken were deep into the wreck- one diver actually coming out in a different hole near the base of the wreck by the seabed. Nowadays I’m of the impression the wreck has partially collapsed under its own weight and cannot be entered now. That’s probably a good thing that has saved many lives. The lure of hidden gems deep inside the wreck was too much to resist for many. One diver died trying to get a toilet bowl out. Just crazy.

[@baobo67]

No doubt a lot more silt now and general deterioration,

[@robertyoung3992]

Most of the deaths on the Doria 46 happened after her collision with the Stockholm

[@tallyp.7643]

I've been a shipwreck nut since learning about Titanic as a 5 year old. and learning the stories and seeing what becomes of the ships under the water. That said, the idea of wreck diving scares the hell out of me, especially going inside a wreck. And the Doria's in a spot with strong currents and tons of fishing nets that've gotten tangled up and ended up draped over the hull. Even if I was offered a million bucks and free diving lessons for a few years for competence, I wouldn't wanna dive that wreck. The possibility of being tangled (especially with the prevalence of ghost line in fishing, legal or not) terrifies me.

[@sammycampbell1654]

I'm exactly the same. Fascinated by all things having to do with underwater. But the thought of going into it is terrifying.

[@artemis009]

Same for me. I was only 8 when I watched the National Geographic special on the finding of the Titanic so I have been obsessed with it since it was found. From that, I became obsessed with shipwrecks and underwater ruins. That said, would I scuba dive down to a wreck or take a submersible to one, hell no!! While shipwrecks fascinate me, i actually have thalassophobia. The idea of going into the dark like that freaks me out.

[@theonlyegg]

Same as all you guys. Went snorkeling in Aruba last year and we were right above a sunken merchant ship from WW2. I always thought diving a shipwreck would be a dream come true. I was absolutely freaked out. It wasn’t even a huge ship, but big enough to give me major creeps! Never again.

[@anna3036]

The thing they all had in common was there was no buddy system. Each diver was basically on their own. Like Everest, they were all there for the big prize and didn't worry about anyone else.

[@frankkolton1780]

In the diving world, it is normal for many of those who do deep wreck penetration in tough conditions, and even some cave divers, to prefer to dive solo, they feel that a diver encountering problems at depth may very also mean the death of the partner too. They have been doing it for many years. Diving great John Chatterton is just one of these people. Edit. Addendum - There are many cases where both partners have been injured of killed, and not just in extreme conditions.

[@gamernick1533]

@@frankkolton1780 Pretty sure there are infinitely more incidents of buddies helping their buddy out of dangerous situations and seemingly insignificant ones that could have added up to something much worse. Personal risk is what it is and people are free to do what they must but I think that mentality is a dangerous one to have. An experienced and prepared buddy is a lot safer.

[@CL-gq3no]

@@gamernick1533, I do a lot of this kind of diving. There are situations in which having a another person with you is a liability and there is little to nothing they can do to help you anyway. It doesn't always make sense to have a buddy on these dives.

[@NewtonInDaHouseYo]

… and not laying a guide line. Why would one not do that? It’s incredibly complacent.

[@zukosmom3780]

@@frankkolton1780 maybe these people shouldn’t have put their lives at risk

[@androzani]

It's amazing that a third of the lives the Andrea Doria had taken was just from diving alone.

[@ButtChugDoug66]

Amazing? Really? #BLM

[@largol33t1]

Well, I guess part of the reason is it's still very widely known among divers who like a "Mt Everest size" challenge. I wouldn't dive the AD, not even for a thousand bucks...

[@loganatori6117]

@@ButtChugDoug66 lol why are u just saying BLM

[@SwitchTF2]

@@ButtChugDoug66 are you high? That’s got nothing to do with the thread

[@SwitchTF2]

A lot of cave divers don’t like buddies, they don’t trust their fellows in an emergency. Probably the same mentality here

[@RedPolarBearRanger]

As a diver myself I read that the Doria wreck is slowly deteriorating along with the current makes this dive very dangerous. I know people who knew people were killed diving this wreck. If I dove this I couldn’t care less about what’s inside of the wreck as it’s not worth dying for what’s inside of the ship.

[@joseescobedo7899]

It all probably gone anyways or laying somewhere else on the ocean floor

[@jimbob4447]

*I couldn't care less. Not could.

[@paulwoodford1984]

Yes, it’s “ Couldn’t care less,” as “ could care less” implies you do care to some degree

[@paulwoodford1984]

@@jimbob4447 Yes, i can’t believe people make this basic error.

[@RedPolarBearRanger]

@@paulwoodford1984 what I meant was I’m not interested in diving the wreck too dangerous for me.

[@behindthespotlight7983]

Just recently read 2 of Gary Gentile’s books on diving the Doria. Back in 2004 after reading Shadow Divers I read everything published about wreck diving Doria. “The Everest of technical diving” Then came to realize in 2022 (through Gary’s books) that even in the summer of 2004 there was nothing left of Doria’s superstructure. Gimbals Hole was a dark fissure over 20 years ago. First Class dining room, gift shop, chapel were all steel plates collapsed & jumbled in murky cold water. There’s literally no penetration space anymore. It was the oddest feeling. To reminisce on a period of intense research 18 years ago, only to realize I was imagining exploring something that no longer existed, even then. The apex of Doria exploration was the early 90’s. The innovations in gas made it a tad safer than during the wild exploits of the 80’s, the Seeker and Wahoo were still racing neck n neck for Atlantic Wreck Diving prestige and the infamous Captain Bill Nagle was still alive. Nonetheless if you find yourself recovering from an unplanned surgery, with a few extra Norco’s and plenty of time off work, reading the 5-6 prominent titles like Deep Descent, Shadow Divers and Dark Descent will curl your toes and familiarize you with your bedroom ceiling at 3am like few other printed pages can. To the Chatterton’s and Kohler’s, the Chowdhurdy’s, Gentiles, Belinda’s and Packers of this world, you guys are made of the right stuff. You’re all CRAZY, but man it makes for page-turning reading. Next up in the madness: cave diving. PS: the rendering at 2:30 in is the second in a series of three. All three were drawn by a marine architect using Gary Gentile’s extensive notes accumulated over 100 dives on the wreck. Said rendering of the Andrea Doria is from 1996-97. You can find all 3 on Google Images. Today it looks like a steel hull and a pile of wreckage (like an imploded building) laying on the sea floor where the entire superstructure once was. Sadly it’s significantly less interesting because the easily identifiable human element is completely missing as of 2002.

[@kenkaniff8428]

Those are something I'm going to read. Thanks

[@isabellind1292]

Thank you for your comments.

[@andrewrobertsmith7367]

Your comment is like a good review. 👍 Probably going to read them now.

[@jamesdamron2065]

Hell all these divers got beat by a diver,,in the early 60s 61 to 65 pretty sure. Can't remember his name but he totally salvaged the hell out of that ship. Got mad amounts of valuables. When it was only under water a couple years

[@sueannskerrattherron2079]

Loved Shadow Divers!

[@Gum05]

I used to go to Richards dive shop here in Michigan. He was an inspiration for me for getting into technical diving, but when i heard of his accident, I changed my mind and stopped perusing technical diving.

[@wyomingadventures]

The gimbal hole is now gone. In 1967 the ships compass was removed by a married couple. She was the first woman to dive to the ship. The Andrea Doria is now very deteriorated and the Stockholm was been refitted many times and still used as a cruise ship Astoria. The Andrea Doria stayed afloat for 11 hours before sinking. Allowing many people to be rescued by the Stockholm and another cruise ship. Many of the bodies of the ship were removed before in sank. So those questioning divers going into the wreckage with bodies in it there's your answer. A week after in sunk divers dove to the ship. But deemed it undivable at the time. They fought of sharks and the effects of decompression sickness. As of to date 22 people have died trying to dive the ship.

[@marcellepesek3038]

Wyoming Adventures, Hi! Would you please clarify a word in the next to last sentence of your paragraph: Did you mean "compression sickness"? (You wrote "depression sickness"). Thank you. Thank God the ship did not go down immediately. May all those souls rest in peace. (By the way: "Ide France" is probably "Isle de France"?) Sorry to question you, but since you are providing interesting facts, I want to be sure that I get the story straight. How sad that the quest for a few dishes, no matter how valuable, should cost lives. Best to leave the ships and all that is on them alone.

[@wyomingadventures]

@@marcellepesek3038 yes sorry decompression sickness. Thank you for catching my mistake. Appreciate it!

[@rayjames6096]

The Stockholm was renamed the MV Astoria.

[@rayjames6096]

The Isle de France was used in a movie and then scrapped in 1960,

[@wyomingadventures]

@@rayjames6096 it was refitted many times. In New York harbor in 2020

[@raquellofstedt9713]

My mom lived in New York at the time while my dad had an internship at Bellvue. She worked as a lab tech, but even so, money was tight,so one of her cheap thrills was going down to the water front to look at the ships. She talked about seeing the Andrea Doria and the Stockholm moored net to each other at one point, and how beautifull the AD was next to that old, weathered Stockholm. I think she always mourned the loss of such a lovely ship as well as the people who died.

[@Xvladin]

Just like how I mourn for Star Wars' death. Always sad when a commercial venture dies 😢

[@YanoshRagauld]

@@Xvladin I hear you there. It's been a true loss and horrible transition into acceptance, that starwars is dead.

[@1940limited]

To this day the Stockholm still exists having gone through many name changes, structural alterations and owners. I think it's for sale again right now.

[@raquellofstedt9713]

@@YanoshRagauld 😄

[@YanoshRagauld]

@@raquellofstedt9713 psssst,. Letting go actually freed me to realize a new Cannon. Try KZbin s ,,Auralnauts channel. Their Jedi party, dance fight, creepio , laser moon awakens cannon thread is just off the chart entertaining as well as containing some sublime editing and overdubs which plot twists so much so well. 3po now becoming main baddy. So good and so so much gooder than the sequel kay rap. Good luck.

[@torinjones3221]

What i learned: Never say: "its my last time" going somewhere or doing something. Never say: "my life will be completed when" and then do that very thing. You're just tempting fate

[@nonna_sof5889]

My life will be complete the last time I take a breath.

[@areyoujelton]

Speak it into existence.

[@henryhoward9454]

Good point. If you're superstitious, as I partially am, say, "This is the next, I emphasize _next_ to the last time I will be doing this, after which I will quit forever, get married and build an orphanage/ puppy rescue." And then, "Tough break for you, suckers! I'm out! Out, do you hear?"

[@nickbooze9766]

I remember exploring this in Tomb Raider II, named the Maria Doria out of respect for the dead but make no mistake it was this ship the levels were based off of.

[@badfaithnomination]

Damn. Thanks for the fun fact 👍

[@nickd3157]

Incorrect. I would give more information however i get censored every time i do. Look it up

[@Th3Mavr1ck]

@@nickd3157 ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED

[@EneTheGene]

@@nickd3157 Censored? Who the fuck censores people in regards to a ship in a videogame?

[@boost1606]

@@nickd3157 just give more info i doubt your comment will be censored.

[@andrewrobertsmith7367]

Forgetting to constantly check your gauge is like driving backwards down a motorway.

[@Arutima]

The Andrea Doria sank in a similar incident than the RMS Empress of Ireland, and like the Empress, she should not be board. Several divers lost their life diving inside of the Empress of Ireland, getting lost in the wreck.

[@1940limited]

Scary stuff. Not for me! I'll read about their experiences and be happy with that. I think Ballard explored the Empress Of Ireland.

[@coach2208]

There were a lot of mobsters on that boat.

[@penguinsmovies]

I can't think of a creepier way to die than suffocating in a sunken boat in the pitch darkness.

[@tomfields3682]

Horrifying!

[@dawnehelene59]

"Shadow Divers." A fascinating look at the challenges and all too common deadly endings of Atlantic wreck diving. From Doria divers who've entered "Gimble's Hole" never to be seen again, to the incredible discovery of a previously unknown Nazi sub (crew still inside) found sunk off the coast of New Jersey, this book is "all that and more!" Indeed, it's a nail biter from start to finish, as both the submarine (known as the "You-Who" until it was FINALLY identified a few years back) and the Andrea Doria are still killing the unwary and unlucky who can't resist their siren call. Great read!

[@divingadventures121]

Good book, chatter ton and Koehler. Best wreck divers out there.

[@Peace-tk3gr]

Will look for this book. Thanks

[@kelly171a]

I read that book, it was really good and I don't even dive.

[@stuglife5514]

Gosh imagine just trying to dive inside of a U-boot….no thanks I’d rather go crawl through a cave that gives me one inch of wiggle room, less chances of getting stuck there 🤣

[@markgouthro7375]

"I died for china." is not what I want on my tombstone.

[@johanstander6102]

Except when you are a chinese soldier

[@bokagoofy]

my late grandma really loved fine china too, but she would just buy it instead of diving into some deadly shipwreck.

[@ohioguy215]

Absolutely... it's on sale at Walmart.

[@1940limited]

I'm sure Andrea Doria china is for sale on ebay!

[@SurfingTubes]

But the Andora's china made for exceptional rifle range target practice, their china pops and exploded like no other plates. !#$@ those stupid plates.

[@ohioguy215]

@@SurfingTubes I target practice on black squirrels. They pop and explode like no other rat.

[@SkyCloudSilence]

😂😂

[@kevinmcdowell9074]

Man, those quotes are harrowing; "after diving the Doria, my life will be complete" and "this will be my last trip out there" ...kind of ominous, certainly prophetic.

[@umarsyedexp]

I agree as if they knew already that it was their last trip ever.

[@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958]

Its actually common practice to dive below 200 feet without a spare SCUBA set tied off by the anchor line or dive line? I'm so old that I remember when technical dives involved redundancy and a buddy with you the whole time, or at least a decompression contingency. Decompression mix was often tied off to the line at the required depth. There was a spare in case you ran long on time.

[@frankkolton1780]

They still do that for decompression dives, and solo diving among the many of the top notch divers has been going on since the early 80s, at least for many of the East coast divers. I've been scuba diving since the early 70s, I love the water and am perfectly comfortable in it, I never panic, and I can still even free dive with fins and mask with no weight, down to 100 ft., but I've always kept true to a promise I made to myself years ago, no deep dives (below 120 ft.) and no overhead environments like caves and wreck penetration.

[@Artofficial1986]

It eased into the water like an old man getting into a bath. Sure the survivors faced hardships but nothing compared to the astonishing tales of Costanza.

[@jasonjones7461]

Damn you!. I just now said that but you beat me to it by an entire year. 😂

[@henryhoward9454]

@@jasonjones7461 Yeah! In your face! Wait, I forgot to bet money on @Artofficial1986 beating you... damn it!

[@CrazyBear65]

My mom used to talk about the Andrea Doria. She used to talk about the Lusitania, too. My dad drove a Willys 6x6 ambulance in the battle of the bulge. He made it home, some of his buddies didn't. But you're talking about diving on the wreck. I'd be more interested in hearing about a dive in the Bermuda Triangle, myself. Find them missing planes, if they're really down there, and not swallowed up by a giant mothership. And find that missing nuke off the coast of Tybee island GA too.

[@MightyMezzo]

Uh-uh that nuke is a big nope.

[@bluesira]

Thank you for your father's service.

[@crazychase98]

​@@MightyMezzoif it's not armed worst that will happen is will leak some radiation into the water. An it will be found by radiation tracing. If it was armed it will go off at some point

[@wildnis5219]

Wanna find that lost nuclear Reactor on Greenland too?

[@kartyl1wielki]

Urban explorers: let's leave everything as it was so others can experience the location unaltered Diving explorers: LET'S STEAL EVERYTHING

[@joelnorton9742]

Um, have you seen the titanic? It rots away. What is saved? What is preserved? Private collections hate? Perhaps the museums should conserve themselves if these rotting treasures should be saved. It's not a pirate operation. It's sharing relics no one else can even get to. It's easy to be judgemental these days.

[@Mandy-nt2cs]

Better than turning to dust? Better to let it sit & rot until nothing remains ? So few people will ever see it.. it's not even remotely similar.

[@itsAvoiiD]

@@Mandy-nt2csit’s very similar. You wanna see what those objects looked like? Look them up, Google is an amazing invention.

[@therideneverends1697]

@@joelnorton9742 its not about preservation its about letting everyone see the wreck as is.

[@goodshipkaraboudjan]

As a diver myself it's disgusting. Seems to be a very American thing.

[@timmotel5804]

Thank You. This is very educational. I didn't know about people diving on this wreck. I lost a close friend who was diving in Florida waters off of Dania on a sunken oil rig.

[@requiscatinpace7392]

First diver gets in bother on the first dive, gets in bother during the second dive and dies on the third. Second diver dives on the most dangerous ship wreck alone. I’m surprised that their cause of death wasn’t recorded as death by stupidity.

[@jasonbressette]

My father dove the wreck in the 70's on just air. 20 minutes on the bottom and 2 hrs of hang time. Old school brave mother effers. As a child I remember him testing his farmer john 1/2 inch wetsuit in the living room. All of his group are legends in early diving.

[@sweetmatthew662]

It's amazing how so many professionals can still make mistakes and how dangerous diving is. Regardless of experience, even the pro's can be killed.

[@largol33t1]

It happens with many cave divers. I've heard that in the early 1990s, over a HUNDRED people perished in the underwater caves off the Florida Keys. I don't get the thrill of squeezing through tight tunnels, worrying about silt blocking my view and fearing my oxygen might run out early.

[@mayalackman7581]

@@largol33t1 @largol33t1 while I don't doubt your 100 divers statistic I do doubt you understand it, especially given your follow-up comments. The vast majority of cave diving fatalities are either open water divers who lack cave training or the cave diving elite who are pushing the limits of the sport. For your "average" cave diver who is well trained and experienced but not pushing the limits of the sport the odds of dying in a cave are quite low. As far as the three specific things you mentioned 1) not all caves are tight at all: many are quite spacious. 2) silt is primarily a hazard for divers without the appropriate cave training and equipment. Cave divers are trained to navigate in zero visibility conditions. 3) running out of breathing gas during a cave dive is extremely unlikely due to all the safety precautions a cave diver follows, which includes the fact that they always plan to have exited the cave with at least 1/3 of their gas still in their tank.

[@dfcvda]

@@largol33t1 made my stomach churn just reading this.

[@jimmything5915]

Greed is a powerful thing every person that died in this video died from arrogance an greed😢

[@JeffWeselyan]

Yup

[@adsromek]

This kept me at the edge of my seat. Great video crazyto lose your life for some old dishes- for what…bragging rights? Jeesh

[@groovekingmuzz2699]

Risking my life for something that already ruined many lives at some other point..?Great video!!Thanks!

[@socialjusticewarrior2316]

Love this video man. Another great true horror channel. So many have sprung up recently. Mr Ballen, Scary Interesting, Tragedy tales, MrDeified and now Morbid Midnight

[@eisaatana96]

"True horror"? Is that what it's called now?

[@DiscoDashco]

Check out “Fascinating Horror” and “The Raven’s Eye” as well! Both top drawer narrators. Edit: even better than those mentioned here, and I understand that is saying a lot when those channels are also genuinely good too.

[@mortalclown3812]

Just wanted to add thanks for such respectful reportage. Rare for these subjects on KZbin. Good luck with your channel.

[@marcellepesek3038]

Morbid Midnight, thank you for this tragic but fascinating video. So much can go wrong in diving, how can one write down the percent of oxygen on a tank, when the contents are actually different? I hope all those who have perished are now at peace. An interesting side note: if I remember correctly, the journalist who was assigned the coverage of the drama had a daughter travelling on one of the 2 ships. As she lay in bed, the collision force brought the bed to come to rest on a part outside the ship, and she survived! The journalist kept his professionalism during the coverage, and when he at last learned that his daughter was o.k. must have been ecstatic! It happened due to an international sea law of going in a certain direction when another ship approaches. I think they each thought they were avoiding the other, while taking course directly towards them instead. So sad, but at least many were saved. What a pity to add to the body count by going after dishes or other valuables. Also, be careful of what you say to your loved ones (or others). It might become reality.

[@thornil2231]

why tragic?

[@1940limited]

I'm a little surprised they video didn't have better pictures of the divers.

[@khushmanbrar4669]

Your channel is going to blow up. I came across your grizzly bear video the other day and loved it. Keep up the great work!

[@MomMom-kc4ee]

Totally agree!!

[@psywalker7973]

Loving the content, but after 3 videos, the eerie background sound is starting to wear thin, be nice to hear something else 😑

[@MrDodgeboy]

I worked with a Lady who's father was aboard the ship. While the ship was sinking her father ask the Captain if hecould have the key to the cabin , and he said yes. When her father passed away she got the key to the Captain's cabin door. I was amazded when I saw this key and she had it on a neckless on her neck hidden. I know it was a brass key as it was all I remembered back in 2000.

[@1940limited]

If you kept your wits about you one could probably have gleaned many souvenirs from the ship before leaving.

[@prismpyre7653]

belongs in a museum not around your neck

[@annaagolli7005]

My mother had a bad dream about the Andrea Doria a couple of weeks prior to boarding and so they left the trunk on the ship where it was already placed and we came to NYC by plane July 9 1956. On July 26, the Andrea Doria really had sunk. We were poor so our cabin would have been on the lower levels, we would have died.

[@bigimskiweisenheimer8325]

You're truly blessed.

[@dawnehelene59]

Wow!

[@mustanggun]

The Lord was talking to her, and she listened. What a blessing

[@Transilvanian90]

Highly doubt you would have died, as out of 1660 passengers, only 46 people died. This wasn't the Titanic, loss of life was thankfully relatively minimal.

[@annaagolli7005]

Thank you all for your comments. A lot of people had bad dreams about the Andrea Doria, they went anyway. My father didn't pooh pooh my mother's dream, and along with her father, they got switched to a plane. We were poor, we were not in the top cabins but lower. It happened around midnight. It was my mother pregnant with me, my sister less than a year old, and my father. He might have survived because he knew how to swim, if he was in the right place.

[@cami3739]

im surprised two of them decided to dive alone i thought you should always dive with a buddy

[@patricklastname5646]

Not at that level of expertise and danger. Each for themselves.

[@tonfleuren3536]

@@patricklastname5646 Nonsense, "never dive alone" applies to anyone at any level, and most of not all of these accidents would not have happened if they had not gone alone. The story about the two guys in the wreck was hardly any better; one guy surfaced 20 minutes before the other, so they were basically alone. Also, "that level of expertise"? Most of these accidents were caused by incompetence.

[@kenkaniff8428]

@@patricklastname5646 you're a m0r0n and have no clue what you're saying. Quit saying things just to sound like you know something. You know NOTHING of what you're talking about! NEVER DIVE ALONE!!!

[@kenkaniff8428]

@@tonfleuren3536 maybe I should have read your comment first. At least you were more subtle about what you said than I was😉

[@frankkolton1780]

@@tonfleuren3536 Incorrect. Incorrect. Many divers who do to deep wreck penetration or highly technical dives and have lots of experience, prefer to dive solo because instead of two deaths (with a partner) when thing go bad, there is only one. There are quite few highly proficient divers that mostly only dive solo. Novice divers are always taught to dive with a buddy (rightfully so). There are many cases of partners both being injured or killed together, and not just from extreme conditions. Some first divers killed on the Doria did so on air (very little was known about trimix and the Navy refused to publish decompression tables for trimix. So being really narced was part of the normal dive.

[@MudCricket22]

Another great video! Keep the awesome content coming. Hoping your channel continues to grow. The content speaks for itself!

[@oculusangelicus8978]

This video highlights how stupid accidents and greed can take a diver's life. Having a piece of the Andrea Doria is certainly a wonderful thing, but is it worth your life? Definitely NOT! For a stupid plate, bowl or cup?!?!?!? Just sheer madness.

[@fXBorgmeister]

Glad to have found this - hugely interested in history of Andrea Doria but more on the surface action - I try to imagine how it might have looked and felt when Ile de France arrived and brought with her illumination. I read that she was dived within hours of the sinking and that it is a perilous wreck so really interesting to go into more detail subsurface.

[@dosidicusgigas1376]

I feel like pillaging sunken ships makes them graverobbing underwater pirates

[@Thealmightysanchez]

When you put it like that it sounds badass as hell 😂

[@ArnoldJudasRimmer..]

​@@Thealmightysanchez'Nice to meet you Nigel. What is it you do for a living sir?...' 'I am an underwater grave-robbing pirate.'

[@cannon26ify]

It's free real estate man

[@joevignolor4u949]

Well at least the Andrea Doria's three outdoor swimming pools still work.

[@ruebencover5795]

😂😂😂😂

[@baobo67]

Great.Have they got diving boards?

[@dunbustin]

0:18 ...that were too small to swim in.

[@ninjamasterbuilder8675]

Pretty sure all wrecks that have swimming pools still have them fully operational it's just unfiltered water in those pools

[@baobo67]

@@ninjamasterbuilder8675 Mm Did the Titanic have a swimming pool?

[@davesmith5656]

Oooooh, that's morbid! Fifty dead in a ship resting on its side in the darkness of 200 feet of frigid water, and three divers in succession die in those same dark depths. I've watched graveyard at midnight movies that are less scary.

[@stevengill1736]

It's an unfathomable mystery why people would be so obsessed...

[@kenkaniff8428]

You're clearly to young to grasp the depth of this (no pun intended) and if you're in your 30s then you're just a tw@t

[@kenkaniff8428]

@@stevengill1736an absolutely stoopid statement. It's not unfathomable OR a mystery at all!!! It's about conquering something 99% of people will never see nor are they capable of attempting. It's about the rush, excitement, danger and ability to conquer what MOST can never even attempt.

[@1940limited]

Divers stuck in the wreck is so morbid, but I guess they always got them out. The guy found dead i the dining room stuck between furniture is so scary. To hell with that. I wouldn't get near this wreck for anything.

[@areyoujelton]

Perhaps there is an energy/presence in that part of the sea that will claim as many souls as possible. Or perhaps the initial incident set a precedent for the area...

[@dub2536]

Fascinating video. RIP to the fallen!

[@tomskid27]

Hell yeah! Another upload! THANKS!

[@sailorbychoice1]

I learned to dive as a kid at New England Divers in Massachusetts. Unfortunately I have an inner ear issue that won't let me dive more than about 30' (about 10 meters), but I won't even dive that depth without a buddy. I'm in my 60s now with over five decades experience and even in depths where you don't need to worry about mixing gasses there are times when I was glad to have my savior-buddy, and I have been the savior-buddy a couple times. Never, never, never dive alone no matter how good you think you are. It only takes a few seconds for an unforeseeable accident to happen to you or for an equipment malfunction to go from a fixable irritation to a fatality.

[@Votrae]

14;01 I can't quite say why, but the footage with a distant single strobe light far below with one rope fading in and out of view... scares the shit out of me. Too eerie

[@lizc6393]

Thalasophobia, I have it too.

[@rogersmith7396]

When you are on the rope you can typically only see ten feet in any direction. You know what a worm on a hook feels like.

[@1940limited]

The entire concept of diving on that wreck, or any other, scares the hell out of me.

[@majorhawker4776]

I was an Avid Diver for years. Growing up in S. Florida you kind a just fall into it. I have dove some amazing places, and always felt Alive underwater. I have 57 recorded dives and did not know that the 57th would be my last as I ended up getting into a bad car crash that following Feb. We had planned that spring to go on a week long dive trip exploring numerous wrecks and the newly sunk Carrier off of the Keys. I was in the process of getting my Advanced Cert and learning about mixtures when I had my Crash. Looking at it now, and knowing my abilities then, the crash may have saved me from an early grave. I was never stupid, always had at least a 1/2 tank when I surfaced, I was one of the lucky divers that when in the water, I was so relaxed a normal tank at 60ft could last me about 45 mins, I never stayed that long and never tried to test it as you don't stay down that long on one tank. The hardest Dive I ever did was a wreck off of the coast of St. Martian on an old English Man of War. The current was so strong at depth you had to time your thrusts forward, by watching the sea grass. This was the first time I used more than half a tank, still had the most air out of everyone including the Dive Master. The Safety diver though I was holding my breath during the dive. So the next dive he went with me as my dive buddy to watch me and make sure I was not doing something stupid. This was a shallow 40ft dive and we spent almost an hour exploring and chasing fish. We even had a race through some reef crevices. When we hit our time and got to 15ft for decomp he was almost out of air and I had just at 1/2 a tank. We finished our dive and he just stared at me and then laughed and said you are the calmest diver (not Professional) I have ever met. That was my 15th dive. I just could dive, it was something I grew up doing and I never felt more comfortable than in the water. I take that back either diving or flying (Helicopters) I always felt alive and the calmest I have ever been. I can no longer dive do my injuries as the pressure would kill me now. However, I can still fly. In flying it is the opposite in atmospheres. 15ft dive is the one of the hardest on your body as it goes from 1 to 2 doubling the atmo, flying is the opposite. So, know I spend time in the Mountains and fly every chance I can get into a seat. Always know your limits. Never push them without someone whose limits are better than yours, that way if you screw up, they will be able to save you. NEVER EVER PANIC. You may only have 1/10th of a tank on the bottom but as you ascend you get more air as it is not as compressed. Always have someone else who is competent check your gear, air, and dive plan. If you use a Computer great always have a board as back up and an analog watch, not digital. Safe Diving everyone.

[@intrepidsouls]

First world problems. I cannot dive, so at least I can fly a helicopter.

[@majorhawker4776]

@@intrepidsouls Are you mad that I was able to go from being dirt poor and make something of my life, so I could do the things that I wanted to do, in my life? You say First World problems, yet you have internet, a phone, computer, and a much better education than I did. But guess what, I have done more things in my life than you will ever dream of doing. I am not talking about money either. But enjoy yourself with what you have. I Pray you get everything you Deserve in the good way not bad.

[@intrepidsouls]

@@majorhawker4776 you don't know me and what I came from. I honestly couldn't care less, but you left a long comment about how you were better at scuba than instructors and how you fly helicopters under a video about diving fatalities. Now, in a patronizing way, you are showing off to me, but unless you went to the moon with Neil Armstrong, I will not be impressed. Idk why u are doing that, no hate though.

[@kietonpratt2617]

@@intrepidsouls The passive agressive force is strong with this one

[@intrepidsouls]

@@kietonpratt2617 ok, thanks for letting me know.

[@thornil2231]

I always enjoy those stories of greed and stupidity... Diving solo into the ship so he wouldn't have to share his loot. I don't believe navy SEAL dive solo... but that idiot had to do it.

[@AmericanPatriot-bp7cu]

This adventure seems as dangerous as the worst 8000 meter mountain summits. Your stories are so awesome. The realization of being on the edge of death is addictive. No doubt.

[@hoibsh21]

If we can have a couple Titanic movies, why not an Andrea Doria movie? Come on, Andrea Doria !!

[@char1737]

The Chrysler Norseman was a four-seat fastback coupe built in 1956 as a concept car. Although designed by Chrysler's stylists, actual construction was contracted out to the Italian coach-building firm of Carrozzeria Ghia. The concept car was lost during the sinking of the SS Andrea Doria.

[@kenkaniff8428]

Very interesting. Thanks for that

[@philpatterson7085]

I expect it has all turned to corrosion by now, not counting glass and rubber.

[@kenkaniff8428]

@@philpatterson7085 it has all collapsed in on itself now. All that is visible is the frame and everything else is just rubble. Nothing left to see anymore

[@1940limited]

I guess its remains are in the hull somewhere. I can't imagine the condition it's in by now, or even right after the sinking.

[@kenkaniff8428]

@@1940limited it has all collapsed in on itself now. All that is visible is the frame and everything else is just rubble. Nothing left to see anymore

[@Skunkiboi]

I once deliberately closed the center valve of my twinset (double-12) myself and had a finimeter attached on both sides. Goal was to find out wether you notice a difference in weight. It got uncomfortable after a while and I was always pulled to the side with the still full cylinder as it didn't lose any weight. The pressure difference was 50 bar. IF the center valve is closed, you are going to notice. And it will be early in the dive. As a Trimix diver you are supposed to be able to reach all your valves and there is still the other regulator to breathe from.

[@AUTISTICLYCAN]

The Andrea Doria was simply among the most beautiful and majestic ships ever built.

[@kay9549]

Yes indeed she was; post ww2. But she have design flaws during her sea trials ie; wether in smooth or rough seas; tendency to list; unfortunately. Unfortunately the shipbuilders did not make any corrections to her sister ships; utilizing the same design. Just an afterthought; the stockholm unfortunately cut into her at her most vulnerable areas; engine/generator rooms to her keel. As seawater rushing in; they had no control of her ballast; since her tanks were nearly empty she was on her end of her voyage. Its a blessing; even with the severity of her list; she remained afloat for 11 hours; after collision.

[@AUTISTICLYCAN]

@@kay9549 You are likely right. I don't know why but to me the Andrea Doria is simply beautiful in ways Titanic and Lusitania just weren't. Titanic & Lusitania were pretty if a bit brutal alas easy on the jaded eye. BUT the Andrea Doria, she was a diamond finely cut and expertly mounted. The Andrea Doria was a fine lady of impeccable breeding. The Andrea Doria had that priceless look of being a ship in effortless fluid motion even when she was standing still. Even her funnel added to her stately appearance. I wish Andrea Doria's designers had made her safer in vain hope she might grace us today a time capsule of luxury.

[@barbaralamson7450]

Excellent, as always. Thank you. 😊

[@Ronin4614]

Nicely done video, MM. Andrea Doria, the wreck that keeps on killing.

[@WeldingQueen]

This was posted an hour ago how did I not see the notifications damn it 🤨😧.....I love your content, how its presented, your voice.... it's all on point. It shows you take time and care about ur content and subs. Keep posting.....this is now part of my routine.

[@stevecosmolove1045]

i feel the same!!

[@The_OneManCrowd]

Turn it on man!

[@Nandini-cc4vb]

It’s chilling somehow that on it’s 51st journey it sank with 51 casualties…

[@bluesira]

Yeah but I think they said only 46 of those were on the Andrea Doria. The others were people on the Stockholm.

[@zew1414]

Another great video dude! Keep em coming! 🤙

[@DavidTa2]

"It eased into the water like an old man into a nice warm bath" -Costanza

[@raymondclark1785]

My parents and I saw the Stockholm sail in with her bow torn up. On a NC dive boat we were talking about one old diver, he along with some others chartered a boat to take them out to the wreck. When they arrived it was dark, they said they would dive at 1st light. Capt. Said, nope, I'm not sitting in a shipping lane, you dive now or I go back. So before drysuits ,SPG'S DPG's, probably not even a horse collar, and wreck reel they went down with wimpy lights and J-valves

[@23Revan84]

I find it amazing that these people forget the danger of getting lost in that ship. Worse is the silt that will just add to the confusion. They should have at least a guide line to get back outside.

[@stevecosmolove1045]

have you ever done ship diving personally? if not then I find your musings unremarkable, yet these brave souls who lost their lives did seem to have an amazing zest for life and exploration.

[@23Revan84]

@@stevecosmolove1045 nothing brave about being foolish and dying from error. I am sure their families don’t care about their bravery but want them back. If they had a zest for life they would have came back. No I have not but it would be common sense to have something to guide you back if you get lost. When I hike in the wilderness or go caving I make sure I have markers or a guide line back to where I need to. For those guys, they should have remembered the map a bit more. There is nothing wrong with exploration but there is a fine line of being foolish and being smart. All those idiots died for dishes when they could just be safe to enjoy the sight and experience. How would you and your family feel that you died for a dish?

[@kadehawthornthwaite2130]

Couldn't have said it any better. I don't understand how all these documentaries say all these people are highly experienced, even this one calling the man astute and then pointing out he had the wrong number on his tank "and possibly got distracted by the stock market" lmao. If they were highly experienced they wouldn't fuck around and they'd have backup plans upon backup plans, dive multiple times and see different slices of the ship to get the whole picture and NEVER go alone. Arrogance got them killed especially the first one.

[@judd0112]

@@23Revan84 they could have bought a dish from someone else for the price of the charter boat to the dive site

[@judd0112]

@@kadehawthornthwaite2130 they probably experienced open water scuba divers but seems like most people who die cave diving or wreck diving were not experienced cave divers which has a who different set of safety measures on top of open water diving safety precautions. I’m sure it’s very tempting when your scuba diving on the outside of the wreck in open water and that’s where the line is crossed into possibly life threatening situation to the inexperienced diver. How dangerous can it be I know what I’m doing. I’ve been in similar situations, in way over my head and luckily made it out alive. Lesson learned. Some people don’t get the lesson learned, they pay the ultimate price for that 1st mistake. Some walk away with a greater respect for whatever it may be.

[@almathetiredone9167]

I would love for dive talk to do a video on this. always follow the dive plan, it doesn’t matter if you see the rarest piece of crockery just 10 yards in front of you, once you’re 1/3 out of air you need to turn your ass around and leave. 1/3 for going in, 1/3 for leaving the last 1/3 to save for an emergency. I also wonder if there was a dive line? Seems like that would have helped a lot more.

[@brianr8581]

Fantastic work! I can see you with a million subs soon! Best of luck!

[@mustanggun]

Most dive accidents are divers error. You can see why technical diving is “technical”.

[@seeker7679]

I can't believe they let divers dive alone. That's insane on a technical dive like the Andrea.

[@cruisepaige]

They don’t, but egotistical sociopaths, who are not nearly as smart as they think they are, think rules are for other people.

[@seeker7679]

@@cruisepaige are there boat captains that allow them to do it or can they slip in the water unnoticed?

[@arnepianocanada]

This is a man's name common in Europe, pronounced "an-DRAY-a." This ship also was considered one of the most beautiful in its time.

[@robertyoung3992]

She was named for a 16th Century Genoese Admiral Andrea Doria

[@Sashazur]

Yes I’ve read that the furnishings and art and decor were beautiful, Italian mid century modern.

[@paddy160160]

Fantastic,videos,thank you! May you find success

[@USAMontanan]

And I thought collecting coffee mugs on vacation was stupid

[@BakerWild]

Can you imagine dying while trying to find plates and bowls, totally bizarre and very shocking - especially watching while 32 yrs old 😅 I'm curious what the value of the blue and the orange coloured pieces was? Great video btw

[@yvonneleslie7681]

Bragging rights...

[@almathetiredone9167]

I didn’t realize salvaging that stuff was legal, though I guess looking back on it it’s only some ships that are protected, like the titanic or the Fitzgerald

[@rickmaurer8726]

Guy who claimed salvage rights pointed out that the Italian company owning AD never attempted a salvage operation in 40 years, so they had effectively abandoned it. As official owner of the wreck, he was comfortable allowing divers to explore the ship and bring back small numbers of artifcats.

[@dutchess406]

how did you get the flag next to your name

[@almathetiredone9167]

@@dutchess406 so I’m on the app on iOS (iPhone) so I was able to edit my name and have access to iOS’s emojis, which now that I think about it I wonder if it shows up for people who don’t have that flag as an emoji

[@dutchess406]

@@almathetiredone9167 yayyyyyy 😊 thank you

[@lovegod1steverythingelse2n47]

How come I’m just hearing about this channel KZbin algorithm? Nice work tho man Love the content, keep it coming! 👌🏽😎

[@EdEditEddy]

I had no idea that people actually dive down to those depths to see this. Kinda crazy because my great aunt and her first husband woke up late and missed the boat on her fateful voyage.

[@TheStuart-of-Cosby]

As always Thank you my Friend. Awesome video keep up the hard work Brother

[@destroyerinazuma96]

I remember the 1/3 1/3 1/3 rule for cave diving but I guess people also have a formula for times depending on depth. I can totally picture how it can be frustrating to explore for 10-20min and then ascend for hours, but can hardly understand how some people can be reckless about it.

[@judd0112]

I wouldn’t doubt that these people were from New England and not very experienced cave divers but probably experienced open water divers. That’s usually the major difference open water scuba divers suddenly finding themselves in a cave diving situation that they are totally unprepared for and with little or no cave diving experience. I heard one diver was from Michigan. Wreck diving is risky. Depth and lack of light and many other things that are constantly trying to kill you. But the fascination with getting some of that China and or something of value is so tempting. Sad situations for all

[@michaelslayman1528]

U still get narced at depth …. So your judgment isn’t 100 %

[@destroyerinazuma96]

@@judd0112 Truly sad. On the topic of diving experience, doesn't wreck diving require a separate certification? I think Dive Talk mentioned it.

[@MightyMezzo]

Probably as dumb as me driving for an hour to do a five-minute audition.

[@ASeriesofTubes]

@@destroyerinazuma96 You got it friend, you’d want a wreck cert and a technical cert to at least 250ft MINIMUM before even dreaming of attempting this safely (personally, I’d want A LOT MORE training and experience than those two certs before attempting!)

[@theovolz3073]

You wouldn’t catch me risking my life for some cups and saucers.

[@creiglamb6036]

Not to mention one of the survivors almost stole George Costanzas apartment right from underneath him

[@Syclone0044]

This is the comment I was looking for😂👏🏼👏🏼

[@creiglamb6036]

@@Syclone0044 that's no tragedy? how many people die on a normal cruise... 30 - 40?

[@creiglamb6036]

It eased into the water like an old man into a nice warm bath

[@joseybryant7577]

@@creiglamb6036 The depths George went to, are far deeper than those this wreck rest at

[@dokwalk]

Wow man. This video popped up on my feed but my entire phone oddly bricked itself when I went to play it. My phone kept saying "UI is not compatible with phone" and i had to restart it. Of course, the video didnt save in my recently watched tab. I had to thus try to find your channel with the only the name "midnight." Yeahhh, there are far too many channels with the word midnight in the title. Had to go rewatch other videos until this video popped up again. Holy hell. Okay, lets go.

[@trivialtrav]

It always amazes me how many stories I hear about divers running low on air. How does this happen so often? I realize air usage rates vary greatly and that you can only carry so much, but you'd think dive plans would include extremely wide safety margins. Yet I always see stories about divers being low on air.

[@crazychase98]

Adrenaline junkys so they get of with almost losing there lives

[@dunbustin]

Swimming down that long anchor line in a strong current would have used a massive amount of air.

[@Truth1561]

My dad was a keen scuba diver, but it freaks me out. The very thought of trying to breathe thru a tiny mouthpiece underneath all that water terrifies me! Needless to say I’m ahuge disappointment to my dad 😬

[@gamernick1533]

Have you tried it? The thought of it is a lot scarier than the reality. Don't do it because you might be a 'disappointment', do it to prove to yourself that you can overcome it. Just do a try dive and experience the feeling in safe, controlled pool/enclosed environment, very quickly you soon come to realised that you have backup after backup and most diving is done at a depth that it's hard to do yourself much harm, even if you bolted to the surface with a CESA. On my fourth ever open water dive (my final assessed dive) I lost my weight belt, a fin, I had a freeflow and managed to get silt in my mask... that's about as bad as it gets for everything going wrong at once and I was absolutely fine... a little shaken but for weeks after I reviewed it in my mind... all were preventable issues and amounted to nothing substantial in open water, even at 18m depth lol

[@Boo-dawg.]

You're alive out of not doing stupid greedy sh*t , he should be proud you if anything.

[@kevingambell9335]

This is a gravesite and should be protected. Pillaging the ship for trophies is a desecration to the memory of those lost in the tragic sinking, also leading to more unnecessary deaths.

[@sarcofaygo6218]

This is one of your best videos

[@toscadonna]

Why do I feel like taking china dishes from a shipwreck like this where 51 people died is akin to grave robbing? It just feels wrong to me-disrespectful. Risking your life in the watery grave of dozens of people for trinkets? Maybe I’m just a curmudgeon, but I can’t shake this feeling that comes over me when I watch this show.

[@dollinterrupted]

Exact same reaction. Plundering a gravesite for a fancy plate you get to brag about? Jesus.

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

That China doesn't belong to any of the deceased. It just happens to be on the ship. Taking valuables from the cabins would be more questionable....but personally, I wouldn't have a problem with that as long as the original owner's estate is offered possession of what you retrieve first. In an actual tomb, it would be 100% wrong, but i do feel like there needs to be _some_ kind of balance when the tomb in question is a shipwreck in a random , more or less public place. Of course if the shipwreck is too recent, you would be much more likely to receive heavy criticism, which kind of balances things the other way. This one is probably right at the edge of being old enough in alot of people's minds.

[@lescook9021]

No one is robbing anyone's grave.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

When James Cameron shot his documentary, he didn't take a thing, only silt samples iirc. They even left a memorial plate at the bottom. It's find to explore, but respecting the dead is one of the many ways of respecting yourself.

[@Tsumami__]

The china used on any cruise ship/liner is kind of just mass produced and stamped with the company logo, meant for long term use over a decade or so by thousands of customers. It’s not really the same as taking a pair of shoes or a piece of jewelry that belonged to a passenger that’s known to be someone who died on the ship. Even then, although there’s lots of controversy over salvage rights and displaying items like that to the public on exhibitions or in museums, I always have to ask, when you see a personal object like that, isn’t it far more moving than something like a generic piece of china? It permits a much more empathetic experience, imo, when learning about a historical disaster or event.

[@hollymartens8059]

Fantastic topic!!

[@anthonysmith5979]

I can't believe it, all for some plates and cups that your never going to use just look at. I nearly drowned in a diving accident, I couldn't ascend at 20mtr's in the dark due to sinus squeeze that came on all of a sudden, my partner and my self were running out of air, I tried and tried to clear my sinus, my air was in the red and my buddy had to surface "night dive" as I found an increasing restriction in drawing air from my reg I tried one more time before ascending and bursting my head open "as it were" and in a mass of internal bubbles it was cleared and I ascended. I never dived again from that day.

[@micjam1986]

As a New England scuba diver and former commercial diver.. I wanted to dive the Doria.. I heard the new York dive shop that takes people out there was giving some mixed gas training to basic recreational scuba divers with no real deep diving experience. There have been lots of people lost on the Doria. Couple fun facts.. the Doria is named after a man.. and it's pronounce andre-ah not andrea. The Stockholm t-boned the Doria midship and had it bow broke off( as seen in the photo) then the ships separated. A young girl was sleeping on the Doria and woke up aboard the Stockholm. One lucky little girl!!