The Animated BIRDS OF PREY You Never Got to See! (Justice League Unlimited)

[@maxalaintwo3578]

Imagine thinking that kids can't relate to a story unless kids are in it when literally the rest of the DCAU is just grownups only.

[@FirstLast-yh7gj]

Idiots have always been charge of animated networks lol

[@FirstLast-yh7gj]

@Will N Mystic Force them song go hard tho 😂

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

“My grandfather doesn’t know who Cassandra Cain is.” Neither did anyone involved in the movie.

[@gohanson27]

and nobody else who watches film. So to change her was no big deal. Hell, Nolan gave us Robin John Blake. The biggest comic rape of all time.

[@goodgamesir1750]

@@gohanson27 It's a huge deal. Just like Robin blake guy.

[@gohanson27]

@@goodgamesir1750 Cassandra is no where close to be known like Dick Grayson or Robin.

[@Andrew-fq7pu]

@@gohanson27 The Dark Knight Rises is the worst & most insulting Batman movie ever made.

[@jasoningramx3731]

@@gohanson27 well personally I'm more upset about what they did to Cassandra cain in the movie because she was actually supposed to be Cassandra cain and they just completely messed her up. While John Blake was never really meant to be robin in the dark night rises. He was more of a nod or call back to robin like a stand in for the character but not actually him.

[@jtcob8486]

Fun Fact: Black Canary In JLU Was Voiced By Morena Baccarin Who Played Dr. Leslie Tompkins In Gotham, Voiced Talia Al Ghul In The Dc Animated Movie Universe, And Played Vanessa In Deadpool 1 & 2.

[@dcauwatchtower]

The real Easter egg there is that JLU used a decent amount of the “Firefly” cast for voices. Vixen, Vigilante, Black Canary, Jonah Hex...

[@fairlyliterary4771]

She's also the voice of Gideon on The Flash (s1 and last season I think)

[@ggt47]

Oh?

[@Monie71793]

🤯🥰

[@justinjacquez9321]

Quite a résumé

[@mvdwraptor7983]

Am I the only one who's cheesed we only saw nightwing like 4 times in all of DCAU, but each episode he was in was awesome?

[@michaelandreipalon359]

"Ensemble Darkhorse" in a nutshell.

[@M.W.K6996]

An animated "Birds of Prey" series, taking place in the Justice League Unlimited universe, would have been cool.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

May have felt too ambitious in some manner. Believe me, what we ultimately got is already the right amount of 14-year long storytelling and animation.

[@user-pq3ob3qc7e]

Nobody: Me: *Wants A Bat-Embargo Video From Watchtower Database!!*

[@srstriker6420]

Daniel Wilson so do I

[@lordbatman1206]

We all want that

[@joaquinjfernandez1528]

Same we do

[@srstriker6420]

LORD BATMAN120 👍🏻

[@Trekapedia]

I definitely do

[@EmmanuelMarin07]

7:43 Fox Network: Where's Robin? 10:42 Me, a 12th-Level Intellect: There's Robin!

[@richardadams4928]

Double Date was a GREAT JLU episode, with emotional resonance AND wit. Outstanding entry in a terrific show.

[@Ferdi-cr6ji]

Man I wish this Birds of Prey series would aired on DC Universe

[@omar5788]

Fox holding a gun to their heads going WHERES ROBIN is a hilarious image

[@gregoryfoster2544]

They should make a birds of prey animated movie by Bruce timm

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

Gregory Foster I dunno, considering what he did to Barbara before making her Oracle…

[@gregoryfoster2544]

@@DrFranklynAnderson true

[@jturner2577]

@@gregoryfoster2544 Better add Paul Dini then.

[@gregoryfoster2544]

@@jturner2577 yes you make a fiar point Paul Dinie does keep Bruce from going to far

[@MyselfandComics]

If it’s Bruce then he definitely needs someone Paul dini or not. Can’t trust him alone.

[@Takwashanks]

I don't think we're ever going to get another series with as much intrigue, depth, and action as the DCAU.

[@thevenom2731]

Young Justice?

[@michaelandreipalon359]

​@@thevenom2731True, but it doesn't count if it'll end up an unfinished storyline due to cancellations and whatever.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

FOX: Where is Robin? WB: Yeah, I'll do you one better. Who is Robin? Cartoon Network: I'll do YOU one better. Why is Robin?

[@shwenty1734]

0:22 The people who made the movie didn't either. ROASTED!

[@tristenvena6605]

I’m loving the ad/sponsor transitions.

[@Juan_x_Pedro]

I wish one day we officially get a BOP team up in the DCAU, Ilove the team and double date is one of my fav episodes

[@paponmeowmeow4745]

There is one. But without batgirl☹

[@Danbo22987]

Well with the comic series "The Adventure Continues", it's certainly possible.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

​@@Danbo22987Unfortunately an Elseworlds series of comics, so it doesn't count.

[@Rommism]

Not greenlighting DCAU BOP = missed opportunity Greenlighting DCEU BOP = messed opportunity

[@nicolaswalli4722]

One line. Nothing else matters. No Barbara, no Birds.

[@nostalgicarchives9463]

I loved Gotham Girls, it is actually included in the DVD for the Birds of Prey live-action series

[@dcauwatchtower]

Yep!

[@booploops22]

That's the only reason why I bought the birds of prey dvd.

[@isetmfriendsofire]

FengxianLeTerrible Same.

[@jturner2577]

@@booploops22 I can see why, even if you Like The show, many of the songs are altered even the main theme.

[@Danbo22987]

@@booploops22 Same, but I did watch through the show because I had it, and it wasn't terrible, had they been given another season, I think a lot of the issues would've been ironed out. The last few episodes shifted from the main lead being Huntress to being Barbara and it was a massive improvement. If you say nothing else positive about the show, the actress playing Barbara is everything I want out of a live action Barbara Gordon.

[@kevind.mendez7215]

Fox kids: where's robin? WB: who's robin? cartoon network: robin? this post made by tim drake screentime gang

[@icecreamhero2375]

For many years I didn't know that Robin was Batman's sidekick. I grew up with Teen Titans when I think of Robin I think of them.

[@UnitedThrive]

@@icecreamhero2375 dum boi 😭

[@icecreamhero2375]

@Will N I didn't get to watch that often at the time. I got cable when I was 10 and it came out in 03 when I was 5. It came on Kids WB but I only watched it sometimes.

[@JaiProdz]

Damn. We were robbed of a Black Canary and Catwoman episode of BTAS?? That would've been way cool.

[@RadinV1]

*black adam/reverse flash/deathstroke in the dcau?* (Here watchtower database. Go on. I just gave you an idea for a new video series.)

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Would not be surprised if there’s a Slade Easter egg somewhere

[@SirDuncan13]

Schway indeed!

[@jturner2577]

16:10 Yes do a video about the Bat Embargo and the terrible legacy of it.

[@timr3956]

Will N There was also an Aquaman embargo due to the unaired pilot around that time. Caused the character to disappear, and made them create Devil Ray in place of Black Manta.

[@jturner2577]

@Chaz Starkey At least the Movie was Cancelled Just before the show's final Season so we did get Elcetro.

[@LSFD]

You hit me right in the feels with the commercial cuts!! nostlgia striked so bad.

[@samsonjones9332]

I definitely want more Birds of Prey media.

[@13AndreFalcao666]

Double Date should get an emmy every year. One of the coolest pieces of television ever.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

One Emmy should already be enough.

[@captain_dsz6049]

somehow (thankfully) the ads are always playing during your silent cartoon network promotions

[@Gsmooth84]

I like to think that the Birds of Prey event in the DCAU With Batgirl still happened. Just offscreen. Bat-embargo be damned.

[@Danbo22987]

Well with the "Adventures Continue" comic, it's possible

[@michaelandreipalon359]

​@@Danbo22987Again, that comic is an Elseworlds take where Justice League never appeared to have happened for some reason.

[@Kyle_Noronha]

I need a Bat Embargo episode ASAP. These videos are freaking awesome. Keep up the great work

[@dcauwatchtower]

Thanks, Kyle! Share ‘em when and where you can!

[@jamesdman7193]

I like how he the ad tie in into a commercial

[@aurahoneydew9607]

As a DC fan gotta that is no Cassandra Cane. Cassandra Cane is suppose to be like a badass hybrid of Batman and Snakeeyes. Way to drop the ball Cathy Yan!

[@lifemattersnot]

Double date made me a fan of the question and he and huntress are one of my favorite superheroe couples no one would ever split them up because they one or bouth if them couldn't be a hero if they where happy 😏 so not to upset about no dcau birds of prey but I will add that all versions must have the song from the brave and the bold just like all batman versions need I feel blue playing somewhere

[@domenicricci2978]

What I would love to see the WatchTower Database do is they should dig up what episode ideas could have happened for Justice League Unlimited, but they couldn't for different reasons. By they way, you guys always do a great job! Keep up the great work!

[@dcauwatchtower]

We’re working on one for BTAS right now! It’s gonna be HUGE!

[@domenicricci2978]

Hi, Old Me! They Made A Video Of What JLU Season 4 Could Have Been!

[@jamiesnowdenvo4987]

Love the inclusion of the Cartoon Network bumpers! I actually think that could make an interesting video, just on those. Who created them? Was there any input from the original creators on JLU on those promos (specifically the ones with more dialogue, interactions ala CN City)? If not, then did the original creators see them? What were their thoughts? Could make a fun video!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

A history vid on the promotional material of the whole of the DCAU... won't lie, that sure would be schway!

[@beanallene]

THANK YOU for reminding me of what "Gotham Girls" is called. I've been trying to look it up.

[@Gokitalo]

Ooh, Dwayne's BoP pitch is quite similar to an idea I had for a DCAU Birds of Prey, though I actually replaced Oracle hurting her leg with something else the DCAU established. Maybe I'll reveal it one day... yes... one day...

[@maemersy7107]

Justice for ORACLE! The OG Birds of Prey founder!

[@magnumcornetto]

FOX demands to TNBA's creators: One, Robin needs to be louder, angrier and have an access to a time machine. Two, whenever Robin's not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking 'where is Robin?'

[@nostalgicarchives9463]

That Birds of Prey episode sounded awesome, I would love to see it someday

[@robertmolnar8543]

the bat-embargo was a truly great INSULT TO OUR INTELLIGENCE GOSH

[@robertmolnar8543]

@Will N true but truth be told i dont care about the bat-embargo all that much what i do care about is the reason behind it in other words.i have a problem with them thinking we're all a bunch of freaking idiots

[@robertmolnar8543]

@Will N what do the people behind the bat-embargo have anything to do with crisis

[@jturner2577]

@Will N Not necessarily.

[@novelrivertons6653]

I loved the double date episode of JLU, green arrow & black canary and question & huntress

[@bradenhogan2]

I think of the Return of The Joker flashback as being the spiritual amalgamation of The Killing Joke and A Death in The Family in the DCAU, so if The Killing Joke has to happen before the Birds of Prey can happen then maybe they form after that (which is also after Huntress and Black Canary’s appearances in JLU.) However, I don’t think it HAS to be after The Killing Joke in a continuity where Tim Drake is Killing Joke’d instead of Barbara. I would like to believe that sometime after JLU Season 3, some kind of Birds of Prey thing (like the one Timm described in detail) happens in canon that we just never got to see. It would be very nice to see Barbara come back to the DCAU in any form at this point if they continue to revisit it.

[@chrisanderson2204]

The Killing Joke isn't part of the DCAU, although Batman and Batgirl were dating

[@bradenhogan2]

Chris Anderson What I meant by that was that the Return of the Joker flashback does for the DCAU what The Killing Joke/A Death in the Family did for Batman comics. Joker even makes Batman watch the footage of him torturing the kid, a direct reference to the Killing Joke. I think this flashback is so close to The Killing Joke that you couldn’t really do The Killing Joke in the DCAU without it being repetitive. I really do think of it as a loose adaptation

[@magicalgirllaurie]

Double Date is my favourite episode of JL/JLU because when JLU it's 1 of 2 episodes I remember watching as a kid, the other being the Wonder Woman turns into a pig episode, and I like Canary better than WW.

[@monelmonelmonel]

Wow we never got to see Nightshade and Lightray, sad.

[@marrokklongfall1116]

they did get together to fight wonder woman in the arena with hawk girl one episode, that was pretty good. and we all know DC do good animated films so yeh as a 53 year old geek id bloody watch it

[@inesatt1313]

Helena Wayne almost existed... Is it wrong for me to cry😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@turism0h477]

No it’s not

[@blackphoenix77]

I hope they at least make a Birds of Prey animated movie someday.

[@Hadam10Rose]

I loved Canary and Green Arrow in JLU and that was the only reason I was looking forward to Arrow, they really screwed the pouch with that one.

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

The only faithful adaptation of the GA and Canary relationship in any media?

[@LordRavensong]

Pleasure centers activated!

[@awsomeusprime]

Definitely would like the Bat Embargo video.

[@TerryB01]

Now THIS is a BOP I’d actually watch

[@Danbo22987]

The Birds of Prey movie was fantastic

[@dylanbeebehive2024]

That Robin rule was kinda dumb..... Especially since Dick Grayson Robin in BTAS doesn't even remotely look like a kid he looks like a man in his early 20s wearing a Santas Elf costume minus the ears had they used Tim Drake that would have made some sense but this wasn't during TNBA.

[@matthewhecht9257]

Double Date is in my top 4 of Justice League (Unlimited) episodes. Losing it would be terrible.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Hear, hear.

[@TBaker_HighlineDesigns]

Was there intentionally an ad at 3:10? Like can you control where the ads play in your videos? Cause if so that was cool.

[@michaelrhett4958]

2:33 I'm still wondering if that song is in the movie as an easter egg. It'd be perfect to put in a bar or something

[@knuxuki1013]

13:50 That would've been one HELL OF A JOKE to get away with

[@michaelandreipalon359]

That I can hilariously concur.

[@BrianAwesome]

..... If Robin just "appearing" in a Black Canary/Batman TAS was an issue, just have him appear for a few seconds, in a phone convo with Barbera or Batman or something ?...

[@drakkonslayersilverclaw0277]

I miss Dwayne McDuffie.😟

[@isral8765]

I’d love to see a Bat Embargo video!

[@startheteenagewitch2585]

Birds of prey was one of the few DC movies that feels like a passion project.

[@UnitedThrive]

Deathstroke movie still waiting for still waiting

[@JaiProdz]

Loved the Birds of Prey film. Cast, costume and set design, music, fights, it was so fun!

[@karlmueller1980]

I actually do agree with Bruce Tim that double date was a better episode than the birds of prey pitch

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Precisely.

[@titansjojo1445]

I think Gale Simone made the right call. Imagine making a Birds of Prey episode without Batgirl.

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

Titans JoJo Or movie…

[@ggt47]

Yes!

[@JaiProdz]

@@DrFranklynAnderson that was WB who stopped tht from happening. A script originally had Penguin as the villain and Barbara in the film. Either they didn't want her in an r rated film or Matt Reeves (same w Penguin) film will set up Babs

[@MrMpa31]

It's a shame how DC writers have lost their way. Or maybe it is because there is no one at the helm to tell them "no".

[@nikkim242]

It would've also been cool to see a Green Arrow or a Wally West Flash animated series that could've been apart of the DCEU when Justice league Unlimited had ended.

[@paulmacdonald8497]

The Birds of prey was okay but needed more of the Oracle

[@seanpowell1661]

Now that you mentioned it, I now understand why certain villians from BTAS never made it to the JLU series. It all had to do with that Bat-Embargo! Smh 🙄 It makes perfect sense why any of the Bat villains ( with the exception of Clayface)never interacted with the Legion of Doom during the final season! Weird ... I agree with you about the Bat-Embargo theme playing into the Arrowverse. I noticed how the Arrowverse's Suicide Squad suddenly disappeared when the 2016 movie came out or that Argus had to change the team's name to something different? In addition, I believe that when Zari from Legends Of Tomorrow will all of sudden disappear from the team by the time the Black Adam movie arrives. She's his gf and later wife in the comics. Btw, Zari is known as Isis in the comics. However, due to political reasons, she can't use that codename.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Didn't stop the Archer cartoon on keeping the ISIS name.

[@LoudmouthReviews]

2:30 love how that entire song is just a bunch of dick jokes about male members of the Justice League

[@tobigrantlbart]

It´s sad that your grandpa doesn´t know who Cassandra Cain is, more sad is that the movie doesn´t do her justice. Read James Tynion IV detective comics run for that, or the Batgirl comicseries.

[@geebeepman]

animated Birds of Prey around the time of DCAU JL and Teen Titans(or much earlier during BTAS and Superman TAS) would be something I would've loved to watch. animated Birds of Prey in current year however? I can already expect where its heading and its a hard pass.

[@4991ukasoy]

If they plan on still making these vaguely DCAU movies I think a Birds of Prey movie would be amazing! (Could even have a cameo of The Question..I desperately want more of that paranoid man)

[@matane2465]

Yes, but why didn't we ever get Freakazoid in JLU?

[@xXEchoXxAssault]

They need to bring back JL Unlimited through DC Universe to further build on more DC characters, that'd be cool

[@andrewquick4176]

As we can see from the film BOP only works if it’s Babs as Oracle Black Canary and non-Wayne Huntress And the film is DREADFUL. It’s worse than the first Suicide Squad .

[@laynemartin7914]

My opinion of the movie is it is very harsh on men, there isn't a redeamable one in the movie... However the movie is through the lense of a heartbroken Harley so it's understandable. I think it was a nice balance for a chaotic neutral character POV. Also think it did a good job setting up the birds of prey as their own stand alone thing without dragging HQ into it. It did a sort of half development of the three of them and I could see a BOP project come out of it if males would stop getting put off by the irredeamble male stench the movie had. Made me think of a few movies where there were no positive women movies that no one ever batted an eye at, and if you can take nothing else away from it think how some women feel when every woman with a line is a bad guy...

[@AndreNitroX]

Black canary and huntress were awesome together if batgirl had made an appearance I would have been satisfied but are you telling there was actually supposed to be a show!? That would have been cool

[@relev6567]

speaking of beyond nightwing (well not really, but you showed not canon beyond furyish-dick grayson). is there any project about his story in legacy of the DCAU ?

[@dcauwatchtower]

😏

[@jeremiahmorris1852]

An army of Man Bats sounds epic

[@michaelandreipalon359]

On other iterations, yes. On the DCAU, ugh, it would have ruined Kirk Langstrom as a good and otherwise sane character, as we've seen with Bizarro and perhaps Volcana.

[@sasamichan]

We did get enough Birds of Prey in animation that I as some one who never reads comics could follow who the team members are and what they do and where they are based so that I could geek out when ever it was done in an other show I also watched. I think my 1st time seeing them was in the Gotham Girls web series.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Well, Batgirl was the only “true” BoP member in that show, Harley Quinn was in there too though.

[@sasamichan]

@@dcauwatchtower I need a memory refresh. If you should ever do "The Batman", "Brave and the Bold", "Justice League Action" "DC Super Hero Girls" , "Young Justice" Im trying to recall what "Other Media" had the BoP members with out having to "Use Google" I know bt the time the TV series, Smallville, Brave and The Bold went in that direction I had already seen the clock tower, Oracle , Black Canary in things. but I also know thinking that Batman Beyond was the canon fate for Barbra and going a very long time not knowing Canary had powers and never knowing about many common comic book character. Like my 1st time seeing Deadpool as "more then just a healer" was Hulk Vs I thought X-Men Wolverine was being "accurate" Pretty much every thing I knew came from Animation. And here a am poking fun at people who "ONLY" watch Movies if they are still in theaters. and get all there Green Lanterns mixed up.

[@popstarprincess123]

I remember reading that in the comment section of the birds of prey musical number before it was censored THANKS KZbin

[@herbertdepauk5569]

I would have enjoyed a birds of prey animated series

[@briannabrickey444]

This actually would have been a good show! I would have loved to have seen that version of Barbara become Oracle. Since they made Justice League vs The Fatal Five with the same animation and writers, I wonder if there still hope for the show to be made. Would have been a way better adaptation than the movie.

[@kaijuguy19]

So that does explain why we hardly saw Batman characters in JL and JLU. Was always wondering why that was the case. also speaking of batman characters did you guys talk about a planned Catwoman animated series in the 90's by the Batman TAS team yet? If not are you going to in the future?

[@dcauwatchtower]

Definitely aware of it, so I'm sure it'll come up eventually!

[@nosson2842]

Batman the Brave and the bold was the best Batman ever out to screen

[@dcauwatchtower]

Ehhhhh I’d say close second ;)

[@michaelandreipalon359]

He's easily on my top 3 animated show Batmen, alongside the good old DCAU iteration and the iteration from The Batman cartoon.

[@yoga_bear.]

6:11 man that could have been awesome.

[@srstriker6420]

Next how batman met Hawkgirl.

[@srstriker6420]

Will N see this is why they to do a video on this

[@BrianAwesome]

@Watchtower Database, Gotham City was always BEHIND on technology compared to Metropolis and other cities. In present time Metropolis had ray guns and skyways & looked futuristic .. as Gotham still had regular streets, Old bullet guns, and the scenery (even in the revamped episodes to some degree) looked like it came out of the 1950's/stone age. This could also apply to why Gotham in 2039 STILL is using block phones/cell phones AND Cd's... unless Future Gotham just implements a Balance of New and Older technology.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

City of cursed cheapskates, that place.

[@icecreamhero2375]

7:21 Tell that to Spongebob, Looney Tunes, Popeye and several other classic characters.

[@joaquinnevarez2509]

6:49 I see nightshade

[@Bob78550]

I read the comic, really enjoyed it. Can't wait for the next issue. Can I make a guess? Are you leading up to the Anti monitor? Will Physio pirate be part of it ?

[@Ted-Kendrick]

The other World according to Bob Thank you! Not leading up to Anti-Monitor exactly but Crisis is a big influence for the story. We will see Psycho Pirate in an upcoming issue titled “A Heaven of Hell”

[@dcauwatchtower]

What he said, and I’d recommend our recent recap discussion video with me (James) and Ted about the most recent issue!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

So, how's the Legacies comic as of August 2023 doing?

[@Bob78550]

@@michaelandreipalon359 I wondered that myself. Good question pal.

[@ActorCSM]

I dug the film. While I have a few super minor-nerd gripes, my only major issue is that this was not Cassandra Cain. Could have been any kid. It didn't need to have a character name from cannon.

[@AKACHIISBETTER]

*inhales* Ah! My daily fix of Watchtower! Now can you guys talk about The Batman 2004 being connected to Teen Titans?

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

I'd LOVE THAT

[@AKACHIISBETTER]

It's Over 9000 Productions ALL THE EVIDENCE IS RIGHT THERE!

[@ariana9099]

Great vidéo! You did a lot of research!! 👍 I like the ""Double-Date" episode but i would love to see the Birds of Prey's one! The movie isn't it, the tv series wasn't it either, can we have a good adaptation of the team at least once?!

[@cassandradiandralucianorma8507]

Huntress/Helena Bertinelli is going to kill Steven Magdragora by murder her beloved parents. But, she spare his life because he has a son Edgar Mandragora. Steven was send to jail and his son Edgar was sent to child services. And, Steven's son Edgar was defeated by Batman Beyond/Terry from the episode of Mind Games.

[@readdasic6657]

I'm stuck here waiting for a terrific trio movie!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

For a sec, I thought I read "a *Terrible* Trio".

[@PeachyEats]

Ive seen alot of episodes with green arrow so yea would have been fun to have something different

[@Krispy_Krame]

Really enjoyed the movie. The story telling was a little all over at the beginning but solid overall. Really enjoyed the Huntress and Black Canary.

[@leucetios]

(edited) had to double check thought i missed my favorite birds of prey song from brave and the bold being mentioned

[@dcauwatchtower]

There was though, within the first couple minutes

[@leucetios]

@@dcauwatchtower oh your right there it is missed it

[@ProfessM]

No we can't get a Cassandra Cain, Batgirl/Black Bat movie. Don't call that unfunny blot on a script Cassandra.